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Grebdron
11-15-2002, 05:53 PM
I don't even have anything to say to this. What a fucking freak. It's not often I'm speechless.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20021113/mdf148570.jpg

blitzkrieg
11-15-2002, 06:10 PM
I am Jack's look of complete disgust.

Morgana
11-15-2002, 06:11 PM
I just feel sorry for this guy. I have to admit, I own Thriller, and I used to be a fan in the early 80's. Michael Jackson does have talent. But whatever's he's got going on in his private life (and in his head) I can't even comprehend.

Scarface98.9
11-15-2002, 06:39 PM
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0133152/fcs_j23_2_003.jpg



At least Carter had an excuse; it was for a movie

Grebdron
11-15-2002, 06:48 PM
http://www.gorgeousgeekyguys.com/keanu.jpg

Morgana
11-15-2002, 07:26 PM
LOL

Come on Greb, Michael at least has talent. Keanu, on the other hand...

Nate6
11-15-2002, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Grebdron
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20021113/mdf148570.jpg

What the hell is that thing on his face? It looks spray-painted on!

screamer581
11-15-2002, 07:51 PM
I'm scared, someone hold me! *shivers*

Scarface98.9
11-15-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Nate6
What the hell is that thing on his face? It looks spray-painted on!
I noticed that to. I've seen the footage, and he may look like Bonham-Carter (moreso that Reeves), I would've noticed him with algae growing on his face

walking meatloaf
11-15-2002, 09:46 PM
That pic totally creeps me out,what the fuck did he do to his face?maybe you should have posted that in the horror forums.

El Bracamonti
11-15-2002, 10:24 PM
dont you all like to remeber to back in the day when michael was the best musician in the world? i know i felt that way at one point in time. actually, i still do. the saying "don't judge a book by its cover" cmes into mind when looking at that photo. michael is quite possibly the most talented person to ever walk the face of the earth. all though the guy is said to have done some pretty sick things, and every time we look at him he's screwed up his face more, he's still the icon that he was known to be in the past. no one can forget that.

electriclite
11-16-2002, 12:58 AM
From what I've been told, Mike's had SOOOO much plastic surgery on his nose that he completely destroyed it and his doctors had to create a prosthetic. So that disgusting sight you see in that pic must be glue peeling off or something like that.

Also, I didn't read the book, but I was told that in one of Howard Stern's books he says when he met Jacko he saw these very tiny holes on the side of his nose which is because of the reasons I described above.

I used to listen to Thriller myself when I was a kid. It's sad that all those previous triumphs are going to come a distant second to the freak show he's created around hmself:(

Jason Voorhees
11-16-2002, 01:26 AM
He looks like an egregiously bad caricature of a human being... sad...

A.J. Hakari
11-16-2002, 02:21 AM
Nothing to say, except thank you for finding a way to keep me up with nightmares now. ;)

Scarface98.9
11-16-2002, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by electriclite
From what I've been told, Mike's had SOOOO much plastic surgery on his nose that he completely destroyed it and his doctors had to create a prosthetic. So that disgusting sight you see in that pic must be glue peeling off or something like that.


That is very reminiscent of Pooh Bear in The Salton Sea, except replace plastic surgery w/ cocain.

Now he's resembling one of the creatures from his Thriller music video

BakeTheMooCow
11-16-2002, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by walking meatloaf
That pic totally creeps me out,what the fuck did he do to his face?maybe you should have posted that in the horror forums.

LOL, that made me laugh.

One of the reporters said the beard was drawn on his face. It does look like it. But what in God's name he was thinking, I have no idea.

"I'm speechless. Speechless. I have no speech"
- George on Seinfeld

BloodiedCelticVengeance
11-16-2002, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by El Bracamonti
dont you all like to remeber to back in the day when michael was the best musician in the world? i know i felt that way at one point in time. actually, i still do. the saying "don't judge a book by its cover" cmes into mind when looking at that photo. michael is quite possibly the most talented person to ever walk the face of the earth. all though the guy is said to have done some pretty sick things, and every time we look at him he's screwed up his face more, he's still the icon that he was known to be in the past. no one can forget that.

Whoa, whoa, WHOA !!!

Best "musician" in the world??!?? HUH?!?? A musician ACTUALLY plays an instrument, thank you. The only thing this deadbeat can strum with any talent is his decrepit schlong when fondling a fuckin' child. Sick fuckin' DOUCHEBAG.
Most "talented" person to ever walk the Earth? That statement is so inane...it doesn't even rate a righteous rant. It's ridiculous premise speaks for itself.
Please everyone stop raving about Thriller ...ferchrissakes. It sold a billion copies...so fuckin' what! Does that make it a great piece of art? By that premise Titanic is the greatest flick of all time...uh huh.
Thriller had as much to do with Quincy Jones' production as it did with Jack-off's "talent". A classic case of "right guy/product-right time". Like the putrid Madonna, MJ owes his successes to MTV, especially back in '83/'84, when the network was busting out. THAT is what made Thriller such a blockbuster...not it's "genius"...puh-leeeeeze.
MJ and Quincy crafted a safe, disposable piece of pop pablum that would be eagerly consumed by the crossover audience. MJ greatly benefitted from being one of the first black artists to be so easily accepted by whites...and that is what drove the sales off the charts.
Is it mere coincidence that this pantload started his transformation and surgeries at about that time? Hmmmmmm...I think not.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but, the pic here is only worth one:
retardcrazysickpsychopedohilescumbagassholeinsanej erkoffpieceofrottingshitmotherfuckingdouchebag

Morgana
11-16-2002, 12:21 PM
I agreed with your rant about Madonna, BCV, but I do not agree with this one. Michael Jackson had a career way before Thriller, and way before MTV. Remember the Jackson 5? Michael Jackson has been on the stage since he was about 10 years old. I hardly believe he would've sustained such a presence if he had absolutely no talent. Both Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones would've had to have been stupid to invest into a talentless guy, don't you think?

I agree that MTV certainly helped in the 80's, a lot of people who had questionable talent became popular simply because they received a lot of MTV exposure. Michael Jackson, however, became huge (again) because he had a combination of BOTH: exposure AND talent.

CheekyShepherd
11-16-2002, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Grebdron
I don't even have anything to say to this. What a fucking freak. It's not often I'm speechless.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20021113/mdf148570.jpg

For a minute I thought it was Michael J Fox

CheekyShepherd
11-16-2002, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Morgana
I agreed with your rant about Madonna, BCV, but I do not agree with this one. Michael Jackson had a career way before Thriller, and way before MTV. Remember the Jackson 5? Michael Jackson has been on the stage since he was about 10 years old. I hardly believe he would've sustained such a presence if he had absolutely no talent. Both Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones would've had to have been stupid to invest into a talentless guy, don't you think?

I agree that MTV certainly helped in the 80's, a lot of people who had questionable talent became popular simply because they received a lot of MTV exposure. Michael Jackson, however, became huge (again) because he had a combination of BOTH: exposure AND talent.


I completely agree!

The Arrow
11-16-2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Morgana
LOL

Come on Greb, Michael at least has talent. Keanu, on the other hand...

The only 2 talent Wacko Jacko has today in my opinion is:

1: Diddling kids and always settling out of court.

2: Going along with bogus marriages in the hopes that we the masses think he's not a pedophile (didn't work on me).

I will admit the man was a good dancer and did put out some good shite in the 80's but now he's a joke and his appearance is hopefully a punishment from unknown forces for all the child molestation he commited.

I'd love to give him free surgery via a couple of left hooks to the head. Arrow don't like fucking pedophiles; specially when they get away with it.

CheekyShepherd
11-16-2002, 01:06 PM
In about a hundred years, Michael Jackson will become a myth, a story to tell kids so they behave.

Be good at school, or Michael Jackson will come and get you!!!! :D

blankpage
11-16-2002, 01:31 PM
LOL Cheeky funny stuff.

Ok MJ looks like a fucking freak. Like WTF?? I think I am going to be sick!

El Bracamonti
11-16-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by BloodiedCelticVengeance
Whoa, whoa, WHOA !!!

Best "musician" in the world??!?? HUH?!?? A musician ACTUALLY plays an instrument, thank you. The only thing this deadbeat can strum with any talent is his decrepit schlong when fondling a fuckin' child. Sick fuckin' DOUCHEBAG.
Most "talented" person to ever walk the Earth? That statement is so inane...it doesn't even rate a righteous rant. It's ridiculous premise speaks for itself.
Please everyone stop raving about Thriller ...ferchrissakes. It sold a billion copies...so fuckin' what! Does that make it a great piece of art? By that premise Titanic is the greatest flick of all time...uh huh.
Thriller had as much to do with Quincy Jones' production as it did with Jack-off's "talent". A classic case of "right guy/product-right time". Like the putrid Madonna, MJ owes his successes to MTV, especially back in '83/'84, when the network was busting out. THAT is what made Thriller such a blockbuster...not it's "genius"...puh-leeeeeze.
MJ and Quincy crafted a safe, disposable piece of pop pablum that would be eagerly consumed by the crossover audience. MJ greatly benefitted from being one of the first black artists to be so easily accepted by whites...and that is what drove the sales off the charts.
Is it mere coincidence that this pantload started his transformation and surgeries at about that time? Hmmmmmm...I think not.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but, the pic here is only worth one:
retardcrazysickpsychopedohilescumbagassholeinsanej erkoffpieceofrottingshitmotherfuckingdouchebag

well, everyone's entitled to there opinion

Morgana
11-16-2002, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by The Arrow
The only 2 talent Wacko Jacko has today in my opinion is:

1: Diddling kids and always settling out of court.

2: Going along with bogus marriages in the hopes that we the masses think he's not a pedophile (didn't work on me).

I will admit the man was a good dancer and did put out some good shite in the 80's but now he's a joke and his appearance is hopefully a punishment from unknown forces for all the child molestation he commited.

I'd love to give him free surgery via a couple of left hooks to the head. Arrow don't like fucking pedophiles; specially when they get away with it.

I'm not defending Michael Jackson as a private citizen. If he did indeed molest children, I'll be the first to hang him by the balls. But there's so much rumor and speculation surrounding him, it's difficult to weed out truth from fiction.

I'm aware he settled out of court in the allegations of molestation, but that to me isn't necessarily an automatic admission of guilt. Every parent of every child Jackson has ever been in contact with could come out with these allegations because Jackson is a millionare, and being so weird, an easy target. Consequently I'm not 100% convinced he's guilty. I'd personally like to squeeze the truth out of him, in a violent way if necessary.

Jackson's marriages though, they definitely looked like some sort of a set-up. I agree with that. And I also agree that these days Jackson looks like one scary mother.

BloodiedCelticVengeance
11-16-2002, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Morgana
I agreed with your rant about Madonna, BCV, but I do not agree with this one. Michael Jackson had a career way before Thriller, and way before MTV. Remember the Jackson 5? Michael Jackson has been on the stage since he was about 10 years old. I hardly believe he would've sustained such a presence if he had absolutely no talent. Both Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones would've had to have been stupid to invest into a talentless guy, don't you think?

I agree that MTV certainly helped in the 80's, a lot of people who had questionable talent became popular simply because they received a lot of MTV exposure. Michael Jackson, however, became huge (again) because he had a combination of BOTH: exposure AND talent.

Ummm...never said the "thing" was not talented. Yes, he can sing and the sumbitch can dance, no argument there.
But, the point I was trying to make is that he is nothing special. He was overblown and canonized by the success of Thriller , which was no more than a marginal piece of work that wound up being the most "Video friendly" album of all time.
Look back to when it was released. Remember the videos from that era? They were LAUGHABLE, for the most part. Jack-O's management seized the day...hired brilliant, innovative directors, and simply BLEW AWAY the video standard-circa '83,'84. Do you HONESTLY think that album would've moved 25 million copies if it WEREN"T for MTV? C'mon! Get real! You CANNOT gloss over the medium's role in PUSHING this album!
I mean, jeezzuss, they bought in John Landis to direct the title video! UNHEARD of back in those days! The whole MJ experience from that era was no more than slick production, crossover appeal, and MANAGEMENT'S bold foray into video...MJ was just the prop. Yeah, he had just enough talent to carry it off, but, please...nothing earth shaking. He was simply charting untested waters, and making waves. Perfect example of "RIGHT PLACE/RIGHT TIME". That's about all the due I'd give his sorry ass.
What has he done since? His career and personal life both went downhill...his peak was 20 years ago, and it was ALL due to MTV.

And, yes, I remember the Jackson 5. Uh-huh...along with the Osmonds, they were the *NSYNC and Backstreet Boys of their day. Nothing more.

As far as the allegations against him...
If it walks like a pedophile, talks like a pedophile, acts like a pedophile, is seriously charged with being a pedophile...then it IS a pedophile.

PS- El Bracomonti...yes, we are all entitled to our opinion. I'm sure you disagree with mine as much as I disagree with yours. That's what keeps the world spinning...

Morgana
11-16-2002, 06:17 PM
BCV, you're arguing with me on a point I'm agreeing with you on. I said the MTV exposure certainly HELPED Michael Jackson. No doubt about that.

I'm still not convinced about the pedophilia thing. I'd seriously like to pound the truth out of him. And if he is a pedophile, I'd pound the shit out of him next.

Back to Jackson as a performer... one thing I think is worthy of mentioning is that Michael Jackson was a child star first. How many child stars have sustained, much less topped their young careers? (Where is Donny Osmond these days anyway?) Michael Jackson never really went away after the Jackson 5, he became even bigger in his solo career. That in itself was phenomenal.

Now why don't we rag on Madonna some more. We agree on her. ;)

walking meatloaf
11-16-2002, 07:24 PM
Since we're all having a nice friendly discussion about michael freakofnature jackson let me ask this,since some people say just because he settled out of court on the pedophile charges that doesn't mean he's guilty,so why didn't he fight the charges? He has money so why didn't he hire the best lawyers and defend his innocence,if oj can get away with murder i don't see why mj couldn't get away with molestation charges. If you were falsely accused of child molestation wouldn't you fight it? If he has nothing to hide why didn't he let it go to court?

BakeTheMooCow
11-16-2002, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by BloodiedCelticVengeance
Ummm...never said the "thing" was not talented. Yes, he can sing and the sumbitch can dance, no argument there.
But, the point I was trying to make..........That's what keeps the world spinning...

I agree with everything you said in that post, especially about the Jackson 5 being the boy band of their era and nothing more.
P.S. Great picture of Thora there.

Morgana
11-16-2002, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by walking meatloaf
Since we're all having a nice friendly discussion about michael freakofnature jackson let me ask this,since some people say just because he settled out of court on the pedophile charges that doesn't mean he's guilty,so why didn't he fight the charges? He has money so why didn't he hire the best lawyers and defend his innocence,if oj can get away with murder i don't see why mj couldn't get away with molestation charges. If you were falsely accused of child molestation wouldn't you fight it? If he has nothing to hide why didn't he let it go to court?

You must be referring to me since I'm the only once who mentioned this. ;)

Perhaps he didn't want to go to trial because it would've inevitably become a media circus (a la OJ), and he didn't want the publicity. Maybe he thought settling out of court would've been quicker and easier, and he could get on with his life sooner. Maybe they wouldn't have allowed him to wear his mask in a court room. Who knows? This is Michael Jackson we're talking about. I never said the guy wasn't strange.

I think whether he's truly guilty or not no longer really matters, he's already been branded as a child molester, and that he will have to take to his grave.

BadCoverVersion
11-18-2002, 08:45 AM
Everybody neglects to mention the fact that Jordy Chandler's parent's allowed their child to be bought!!!

Does anybody find that a tad disturbing...suspicious...questionable???

Seriously...If some kiddie-fiddler did the deed with my child. I wouldn't give a flying shite WHO or WHAT they are...and I certainly wouldn't be concerned with their personal wealth. I would want the fucker locked up for good! I would probably be even MORE determined if the person in question was an international superstar...I would want JUSTICE I'm afraid...Not a fucking fat cheque and my piccy in the paper!

They accepted a hefty wad of cash...and left it at that.

There you go, jobs a good 'un...done and dusted...What the fuck is that all about!!!???

I'm not a Wacko fan...but I really do pity the bloke...He's an absolute wreck. He has got millions in the bank and he looks like the unhappiest fucker on the planet...he has mutilated himself for the best part of 20 years and continues to do so even today...

His "friends" are fucking carnival folk and similarly troubled chid-stars...He's a poor pitiful waste of human flesh!

He is an asexual man-child freak...it's painful to watch him destroy himself. The only way is down Mr Jackson...mind you don't forget your laughable white ankle socks and shit new album!

And I've got to disagree with the lovely BCV...He WAS a very talented geezer. He HAD the most amazing voice, and a real presence...He was a stunning little performer in his heyday.

I feel for the poor bastard...Imagine having everything your heart could desire and being THAT fucking pathetic. It's downright bloody tragic!!!

The Other
11-18-2002, 10:25 AM
I'm sorry, but he is so disgusting looking...makes me ill looking at that photo.

http://www.plauder-smilies.de/puke.gif

The Postmaster General
11-18-2002, 10:33 AM
I agree with BadCover...

If the kid had been molested, why did the family settle out of court. The out of court settlement doesn't mean anything, except that there was a fast resolve, and everyone walked away content.

Let's remember, these are the same parents who allowed their kids to spend the night with Jackson. Isn't that weird enough?

The whole thing was a blackmail/slander case, I believe.

People believe that Jackson is a molestor, because that makes more sense than what he really is. Hell, a kid could come forth and say that Michael Jackson took them to Planet X and forced them to have sex with the mole people and that still sounds more believable that what Jackson really is.


Jackson was rumoured to be a child molestor 17 years ago when he was friends with Webster. People have just always imagined that he oodles with noodles - whether it be becaue he has a high voice, grabs his crotch, doesn't date all that much, wears one glove -- whatever. People find a reason, and that is all there is to it.



As for that picture - Am I the only considering the fact that Michael Jackson and Marilyn Manson are never seen together?

Tom Samborski
11-18-2002, 06:26 PM
That picture will forever haunt me.

Gregorious8
11-18-2002, 06:36 PM
It's now a proven fact that Latoya & Michael are really the same person.

Invincible
11-18-2002, 08:21 PM
He is a human doll....:(

Invincible
11-18-2002, 08:38 PM
Pam Anderson is scary without make-up.

http://www.deansplanet.com/images/pamnm.jpg

I couldn't believe my eyes!

The Other
11-18-2002, 11:21 PM
It's a shame...look at him as a kid (you would never guess if he wasn't famous as a child as well):

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1204/0628_0014.jpg

Bullet Tooth Tony
11-19-2002, 02:11 PM
When I see MJ now it makes me so sad, he is one of the greatest musicians ever and now he'll just be known as a weirdo. Yes he is fucked up but with the life he's had and his ass hole of a father you can see why. He needs help. MJ is not a kiddie fiddler like Bad Cover Version said if someone laid their hands on my son he'd be in jail even if they offered me $1,000,000,000!

Shows he was innocent...as soon as the money was offered they were happy. Mother fuckers. I hope for his sake he comes to his senses.

FeverDog420
11-19-2002, 04:06 PM
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/SHOWBIZ/11/19/jackson.baby.reut/vert.jackson.baby.reut.jpg



BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- Singer Michael Jackson briefly dangled a barefoot baby over the railing of his fourth-floor hotel window on Tuesday, providing a momentary if odd thriller for fans waiting on Berlin's central square below.

The "King of Pop" arrived in the German capital after three days of testimony last week in California in a $21 million lawsuit by a German promoter over cancelled concerts.

A crowd of screaming fans greeted the reclusive entertainer, in town to receive a lifetime achievement award at a ceremony on Thursday night, in front of the Adlon Hotel.

When he got up to his room, Jackson opened his window and held a light-skinned baby, a white towel over the tot's head, briefly over the metal railing. He held the baby with one hand.

Jackson also showed off another child who was about four or five years old. The child, whose face was also covered in white, waved to the crowd below.

A spokeswoman said Jackson was travelling with his children.

Jackson has three children, two by ex-wife Debbie Rowe, five-year-old son Prince Michael and four-year-old daughter Paris. He also has a baby who is less than one year old.

Jackson arrived to the hotel wearing a white surgical mask over his mouth and nose, but later removed it.

Grebdron
11-19-2002, 04:19 PM
Is that a real story FeverDog? If so, that motherfucker needs to exit the planet, ASAP. What a sick fucking bastard. Allegedly.

FeverDog420
11-19-2002, 06:31 PM
I got it off CNN.com, so I'm assuming it's legit.

Grebdron
11-19-2002, 06:48 PM
http://www.plauder-smilies.de/rough/schuss.gif

Nate6
11-19-2002, 06:56 PM
I saw the video on CNN. Very odd and surreal, I don't think he intended to drop the baby though.

vastlynne
11-19-2002, 07:12 PM
holy fuck! that gave me a good scare.
Insomnia..here I come.

If I ever saw Jacko on some dark alley at night....I would run for my freakin life. :o

BadCoverVersion
11-19-2002, 07:18 PM
I just saw the vid meself...

Absolute over-blown bollocks...I got the distinct impression that Jacko was merely trying to play the proud Father and give the fans a glimpse of his toddler. It certainly didn't look like he was attempting to bloody murder the poor bugger.

It all looks slightly odd...I don't think he anticipated the crowds reaction...poor bastard!

electriclite
11-19-2002, 07:23 PM
I'm not a parent, but I think an agreed upon rule is that you don't dangle infants over BALCONIES!

Jesus Christ, Eric Clapton lost a kid out a window and now Mike is dangling his kid over the edge of a building!

BadCoverVersion
11-19-2002, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by electriclite
I'm not a parent, but I think an agreed upon rule is that you don't dangle infants over BALCONIES!

Jesus Christ, Eric Clapton lost a kid out a window and now Mike is dangling his kid over the edge of a building!

I agree with you wholeheartedly...but it didn't look entirely intentional.

Come on, let's face it...The tabloids kick the shit out of Jackson on a daily basis, it's beginning to get pretty bloody cruel...they're just digging his grave, bit by bit.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was dead and buried within a couple of years.

The Postmaster General
11-19-2002, 08:16 PM
blah. people do crap like that at parades all the time. granted, i wouldn't feel safe enough to do such a thing with my child, and it is a silly thing.


but the only reason it's an outrage is because Jackson is doing it. if it was ozzy people would be more supportive.

BadCoverVersion
11-20-2002, 01:12 PM
From AOL News

JACKO APOLOGISES FOR BABY STUNT

MICHAEL Jackson has apologised after dangling his youngest child over a fourth-floor balcony of his Berlin hotel.

Prince Michael II had a white cloth over his head as Jackson, holding the child with one arm around his waist, held him out over the iron rail of the balcony of the Adlon Hotel.

The act stunned some people who saw it transmitted on television and Jackson issued a written statement saying he got carried away when fans below the window asked to see the baby.

"I made a terrible mistake. I got caught up in the excitement of the moment. I would never intentionally endanger the lives of my children," he said.

Several scenes of Jackson's visit to the German capital - including the display of his son - were featured on national German news.

But the Chicago-based advocacy group Prevent Child Abuse America criticised Jackson's behaviour.

"It is a painful reminder that even the most well-intentioned among us sometimes act in ways that put children in danger of being abused or neglected," said the group's president Sidney Johnson.

Fans had gathered outside the hotel, just opposite the Brandenburg Gate, and security had to remove some from the reception area.

Jackson is apparently in Germany on a personal trip although it is thought he will attend the German premiere of the new James Bond film Die Another Day.

There is also speculation the singer may pick up a Bambi lifetime achievement award on Thursday from the German Burda publishing house.

movienut
11-20-2002, 03:16 PM
could someone please tell me what the hell he was doin in that picture? and the kid had a towel over his head no less!!!! wtf?!

Invincible
11-22-2002, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by electriclite
Eric Clapton lost a kid out a window

Who's that?

dpf3737
11-22-2002, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Invincible
Who's that?

You don't know who Eric Clapton is???:eek:

walking meatloaf
11-22-2002, 02:30 PM
Didn't he play drums for the beatles?:p