I hate Male Nudity in Films!!!!!!

[CriticalBill6966]

Granted the females should get some action but showing a shlong is just way to much. At lest put a warning sign in front of it!

They should do something because, for the most part, females get really sexy background music and strip slowly. You can see female nudity coming from a mile away unlike male nudity. Males just strip at any given time. "Hey look at my ass! See my man meat wiggle back and forth! Yeah!".....where's the fucking warning!?!?! I didn't want to see Kevin Bacon's bacon in Wild Things. I went from a stiffy (thinking about the lesbo part) that a midget could do a pull up on to a tube sock in the wind.

What the hell?!?!?

They should just stop the movie and say:

Warning!

The following part shows male genitalia. Watching this part may give you headaches, nightmares followed by some therapy sessions, and may make you feel uncomfortable due to jelousy.

Watch at your own risk.

Simple as that.

[Moviefan1234]

I think you're being a little hypcritical. You're ok with female and not male? Be fair about it.

[jlovborg]

I think there should be more male nudity in movies, if only to stop the whining of those feminists who say there is a disproportionate amount of female nudity in movies. I don't see why any straight male who is comfortable with his sexual identity would be scared to see some nude men. But this is of course coming from a man who was brought up in a society whose attitude to nudity is more liberal than that of America.

[Mut]

I actually respect male actors more when they go nude in a film. I mean, it's very rare to see it happen, is looked down upon by many people, and it takes a lot of guts for a guy to strip down in front of a camera. Harvey Keitel, Kevin Bacon, Ewan McGregor ... They've all gone up a notch in my book.

Now, I'm not gay, or anything. It's just that I don't really consider it a big deal to see a guy's dick on screen. The simple fact that the action is so controversial, those actors deserve a round of applause.

[notchreturns]

I don't mind seeing cock on-screen. I mean, it's just another reason for me to laugh at an actor I don't like....

[blitzkrieg]

I don't really care, almost everyone sees a cock sooner or later.

[BubbaStrangelove]

It's like using a public shower. You know what is down there, so there's no need to look.

[Grebdron]

I hope this is in jest. While it is slightly disturbing to see Harvey Keitels johnson in every film he does, so what. Seeing another man's schlong will not make you gay, or give you headaches. Whatever.

[BubbaStrangelove]

or it could give you an inferiority complex if you see Boogie Nights.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
or it could give you an inferiority complex if you see Boogie Nights.

Midget porn gives me an inferiority complex. Vern Troyer's a monster!!

[electriclite]

What the heck are you complaining about? There's BARELY any male nudity to begin with! If you do a list of 10 actresses and beside that a list of ten actors and count beside each name the number of nude scenes each has done the women are going to come off higher than any of the guys, unless that guy is Harvey Keitel.

I've seen enough female nudity to last me a lifetime. Just because some guys have issues with their Johnson that means we gotta put a ban on male nudity? Hey, women have different breast sizes and we manage to deal with all the others that prance across the screen. If we can deal with it, so can you.

ANd I'm gonna go with Mut's sentiment. It takes guts for a guy to just let it all hang out on film. They forget about the "size issue" and just go for it, and more power to them.

[SLAW]

Cockadoodldoo

Critical Bill obviously has his own issues and we should respect those issues. I could never show my cock on screen personaly, but any guy that can, is liberated. I also think this is quite a silly thread myself.

[BadCoverVersion]

I sincerely HOPE you're jesting mate!

What the fuck????

We're all entitled to a bit of tit, but woe betide the bloke who whips his cock out!?

That's bloody rich that is!

I'm sure you were exceedingly distressed by the fact that your hot lezza action was interrupted by the disturbing inclusion of Bacon's meat...but I think you're being a tad unreasonable!

I'm not after a sneaky peak or anything, and I'm not a "whining feminist" :rolleyes:....I just think that this is a completely ridiculous statement to make....I mean COME ON, you’ve got to be having a giggle here????

Anyway, I must be off...I fancy a frisky fumble and a McGregor marathon (Ahhhhh lovely Ewan, always up for a wee bit of gratuitous bollock baring…;))

[notchreturns]

Translation for BCV's post.... She likes to look at Mr. McGregor's cock... she is probably looking at his cock right now.... she doesn't understand why it's that big of a deal....


Hope I've been helpful.

[the movie guy]

Males have a less amount of arousing body parts than females. Who do we blame for this?

God or Society?

Why, society, of course. GOD didn't say "let there be T-shirts, yet, make them mandatory for women and optional for men." No, it was society who said this. Therefore, the breast is an arousing body part because it is covered much more often than not, whereas the chest doesn't arouse (or not nearly as much, I should think. I mean, I don't think many women masturbate to pictures of male chests, do they?).

Here's something to ponder though... Being that the penis is a sex organ, and what we see of a female in an R-rated movie is not (it's just hair!), yet we have one extra item of arousal in females over men... is it an even display of nudity then if the movie has a fully naked man and a fully naked woman in it for equal lengths? Or should the woman have to spread her legs? Think about it...

... Or don't, because I'm obviously just jesting. Get over the penis, CriticalBill! It's just meat! Or are you 13? Mature up, young chap. Hell, you see a penis every day, don'tcha?


:p

[movielover-9]

Like every one else has said, why is this such a double standard. If females have the right to show off their bodies, I think men have the right to as well. It's a free country. Besides, how much male nudity do you see in films. Not much. So STOP complaining already? I mean come on, if you've ever played any team sports, you'd have clearly taken showers with your teammates watching. I mean it's just being comfortabel with your body and your sexuality to look at a penis for abotu a minute! Even less than one. Hey when females expose their boobs in films and girls just look in disgust while guys are turned on. Well sometimes you have to turn the tables. It's only fair.

[CriticalBill6966]

This thread went down faster then Elton John on a Backstreet Boy! :eek:

I would've thought someone would pick up the humor in this, but I guess that would've been too far fetched.



In all honesty there shouldn't be any nudity in hardly any movie. Other then a porno, and maybe....maybe....and I stress maybe....an erotic thriller, there's really no reason for it.

What's the point?

Take a couple of scenes from movies showing meat:

Say,

Harvey Keitel in well, pick one.....
Halley Berry in Swordfish

Showing this did nothing for these movies. It didn't drive anything futher, it didn't have any reason to be in the fucking movie, other then to get the responce, :eek: "Holy Shit! Did you see that?!?!"

Now I did say "hardly". Movies should find ways to incorporate it better, then just writing it in just for the hell or money of it. A recent movies that come to mind is Monster's Ball.

Berry and Thorton going at it signified a change in both there life. Thorton more so then Berry. Thorton begins to fuck her like he did the pro, the flips her around after noticing that was just wrong. Look at his face next time and you'll see him think about it.

Berry shows her conection and innocents, after all the rage she'd shown, when she's on top going slowly and gental.

And that my friends is how to do nudity right in a film!

[Ronaldinho]

It just seems symptomatic of the general homophobia among American males, combined with good old puritanicalism. "Oh, know! I don't want to see a dick or a guy's butt! Arrgh!"

What's the big deal? We all know what these things look like. (And if anyone doesn't, well, isn't it about time they found out?)

I also don't think most people go, "Oh my god, did you see that?" I, for one, am more bothered by the contortions that most films go through to /avoid/ showing breasts or butts or crotches.

Real people are nude in some situations. There's nothing offensive about a naked body.

It's really just not that big of a deal. People are naked sometimes. If you're really bothered by it, I'm sure Disney will be happy to show you some nice animated films.

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by Ronaldinho
It's really just not that big of a deal. People are naked sometimes. If you're really bothered by it, I'm sure Disney will be happy to show you some nice animated films.

...and even they like to slip in the occasional subliminal cock ;)

[BubbaStrangelove]

there was this guy in my school who used to shower in his underwear. other guys would pick on him, but I would pick on them saying, "Why were you looking down there?"





I disagree though about women having more arousing parts than men. I mean, yeah, they are more arousing to me, but I'm sure that women get totally stoked over good shoulders, nice cuts, and even a nice ass.

It's just that you don't know about it because women aren't as generally vocal about this kind of thing. And I seriously believe that men masturbate more than women. Why else is there a "Actresses You've Jerked Off To The Most" but no women equivilent (maybe there is... I dunno.)

And how many times have you heard of a guy getting caught in the act, and how many times have you heard of a girl getting caught in the act?

Guys jerk off to anything - remember the joke about the Sears catalogues? Hell, I bet half us perverts are jerking-off to this post, just because I've been saying jerk-off so much, and we're all like, "Hey, I haven't done that yet today."

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Guys jerk off to anything - remember the joke about the Sears catalogues? Hell, I bet half us perverts are jerking-off to this post, just because I've been saying jerk-off so much, and we're all like, "Hey, I haven't done that yet today."

You caught me, you bastard!;)

[Succubus]

Seeing as the entire double standards issue has already been discussed, I won't venture down that road. It might just get me into trouble.

I think people find nudity more- and I use this term extremely loosely- unpleasant when an unattractive person reveals all. Indeed, that's stating the clear as day obvious. I just think that society seems to have taught that those not blessed with Pitt or Diaz good looks lurk in the shadows of the cinema screen covered from ankle to neck. So when anyone ranging from Harvey Keitel to Geoffrey Rush whip 'em off (and hell, do those guys like to...), or maybe Kathy Burke might feel the need to disrobe, then we all cower in our cinema seats. Our retinas have been spared by Hollywood's soft focus. Airbrush here, lipsuction there.

That's why scenes such as the infamous blowjob one in Intimacy cause such a furore- not only because it's a blowjob, but because there's no nifty cinematography, no romantic music, no body doubles- it's not unglamorous, it's just not glamourised. It's realistic. Two ordinary looking people doing what a lot of ordinary people do. Even Monster's Ball touched upon that area- just animalistic sex, from a rather awkward camera angle. It's all let down by the fact that 50% of the thrusting is done by the gorgeous Halle Berry, however.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I disagree though about women having more arousing parts than men. I mean, yeah, they are more arousing to me, but I'm sure that women get totally stoked over good shoulders, nice cuts, and even a nice ass.

Now there you go...a highly intelligent comment there Bubba...

Some women actually find blokes SEXY!!!

I don't go for dicks and muscles myself...but I love nothing more than an attractive pair of hands and....oooooh cheekbones, forearms and lips! I wouldn't say the female form is more "attractive" or "alluring", it's just less brash and easier on the eye...purely because we as a society have grown accustomed to seeing a pair of tats and an female arsecheek on a daily basis.

I do admire a guy willing to get his kit off for a role, all credit to the Gent...getting your tackle out doesn't tend to make you a more bankable Actor. It's quite a risky business is Male nudity...a woman doesn't have to "measure up" so to speak!

Ooooooh and lovely Ewan, Oh yes...you will be mine!

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I don't go for dicks and muscles myself

Dammit!! Might as well cancel the surgery, and give up my membership at the gym.

And I so thought I'd have you BCV.:(

[electriclite]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion


I wouldn't say the female form is more "attractive" or "alluring", it's just less brash and easier on the eye...

I mentioned this before in the Horror forum, but I'll say it again. I've taken a bunch of figure drawing classes and have seen countless naked men and women and can say definitively that women look prettier than men. How? Strictly speaking from a design perspective, the lines of a woman flow much more smoothly than a man.

With women you have a continuous, unobstructed flowing line which makes it easier for you eyes to trail up and down the body. With men, once you've reached the crotch its like a speed bump for the eyes. You just stop right there and you later move on. And that kind of reaction isn't fun when you're trying to draw a whole body and picking up a flow that is stopped the minute you reach the penis, then you have to break your concentration and take time to draw that single part, and then try and pick everything up after that. This part of the reason why a lot of my male figure drawings didn't have their penises drawn in, I just skipped it and went on concentrating on the rest of body, keep my flow going.

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by electriclite
I mentioned this before in the Horror forum, but I'll say it again. I've taken a bunch of figure drawing classes and have seen countless naked men and women and can say definitively that women look prettier than men. How? Strictly speaking from a design perspective, the lines of a woman flow much more smoothly than a man.


But doesn't "prettier" already connote a female-centric standard of beauty. Of course women are "prettier" than men--because our definition of pretty is essentially defined as a sort of female beauty (whereas handsome connotes something different.)

Women are usually more rounded. Men tend to be more angular. You could make an arguement that line-and-angle men are more attractive from a design perspective--not that I'm really sure what that means. You can make up an academic theory to justify whatever you want to look at.

Me, I prefer looking at women. But I think it's silly to attribute some larger objective quality to that.

[Beeblebrox]

Elaine said it best.

"The female body is a work of art. A man's body is utilitarian, it's for getting around. It's like a jeep."

[BadCoverVersion]

Being "pretty" or "flowing" doesn't necessarily make you more beautiful.

Women are PRETTIER than Men, that goes without saying. The Male is generally more HANDSOME though. There are exceptions to the rule of course...

I've said it once, I'll say it again...NEITHER sex is more attractive! It's all down to the individual perception. I don't find the female form particularly alluring personally, although I do appreciate a beautiful woman. The male body is far more intriguing IMO, I like angular features, strong cheekbones...and I find flawed faces really bloody beautiful.

It's a wee bit pointless to claim that a cock suddenly renders a bloke "unattractive"...If that was the case, then cock's would be out of business. As it is, they're doing a roaring trade!

[Succubus]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
The male body is far more intriguing IMO, I like angular features, strong cheekbones...and I find flawed faces really bloody beautiful.


Hell yeah. I'm in total agreement with you there, BCV. There's nothing alluring about perfection, in my opinion, and I think it all boils down to mutuality (is that a word? Ah, who cares). If you're with a person who is flawless, then obviously, you will feel comparitively less attractive. Unless you are an incredibly stable, grounded person, and if so, congratulations to you.

Flaws are incredibly sexy. I think it probably goes back to that if a man was scarred, he was physically strong and not afraid to embark in some sort of tussle. Although standards have certainly changed now, the flaw ethic seems to have remained.

Take Joaquin Phoenix, for example. Regarded as extremely sexy by some- and I think that scar on his lip may have something to do with it. And the cassock he wore in Quills. ;)

[BubbaStrangelove]

i've always considered that the male form starts at the penis, and spread out through the rest of the body.

whereas a woman starts from the head and settles down at the feet.



heh - maybe there is a correlation with that, and our conventional gender roles. Although I loathe gender roles, I can't deny that throughout history it has been stated that man generally follows his dick, and women generally take a stand.

heh - too obtuse maybe

[Jim H]

" it could give you an inferiority complex if you see Boogie Nights."

Just remember that was fake. I remember Wahlberg saying he kept the prop when talking to Jay Leno. heh.

And oh yeah, did anyone read the article about Red Dragon? They deleted his manhood, digitally! People found it distracting, as it waved around like a hypnotic pendulum.

Did anyone see Hollow Man in the theatre? When you see Kevin Bacon's bacon in it, I remember a few people in the theatre gasping. Of course, no reactions from people being impaled full rostrum.

[Reigh Kaufman]

Penis. What a great word. I like the word penis.

Anywho, I care not a fig if the film I am watching contains male or female nudity. Who cares? I will say that the disequilibrium -- what a great word, I like the word disequilibrium -- between what a male and a female actress has to endure for celebrity has reached such pandemic proportions as to render me completely bored by the female image on TV etc. That does not mean that I don't love women (God knows I spend enough time with my own, just staring at her) but now I find I like a classier sort of girl i.e no amount of exposed flesh is going to cut it with me in a nightclub, sorry. That's why nowadays Christina Aguilera couldn't turn me on with a switch and the only way Britney Spears could make me swell is if she accidentally stood on it. I find the glamour of Rita Hayworth, the finesse of Grace Kelly and the style of Lauren Bacall much more attractive. The closest we have to that at the moment is, say, someone as elegant as Ashley Judd or Charlize Theron (both of whom I don't fancy, alas). But anyway, if a male actor wants to go nude for a film role I have no complaints -- but I wouldn't, I'm hung like a Appalachian Stallion. Come and get me girls...

P.S. Ignore the last two sentences, the rest is true.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Jim H
" it could give you an inferiority complex if you see Boogie Nights."

Just remember that was fake.



okay. I gotta lay the line down because this is the second post that took my comment seriously.

it was a joke, people. I really didn't watch Boogie Nights, and then look down at my crotch at the end of the movie and say, "Gee, my penis is small in comparison to that! I wonder if all guys have penises that big, because if they do, I'm really small in comparison. Damn. Now I feel inferior."

Now - Does everyone understand the humor?

OK -



Reigh - I agree with you. I will, though disagree on the point that we don't have women like that acting today. David Lynch is one director who has graced us with some of the classiest women. Mullholand Drive, even though they got bare -- the two leading ladies were very classy. I can only hope that Lara Flynn Boyle doesn't stoop lower than she has.


And....




So CSM - You don't like it when a penis just pops out of nowhere. I can only wonder how you felt about Fight Club. :D

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Ronaldinho
But doesn't "prettier" already connote a female-centric standard of beauty. Of course women are "prettier" than men--because our definition of pretty is essentially defined as a sort of female beauty (whereas handsome connotes something different.)


Me, I prefer looking at women. But I think it's silly to attribute some larger objective quality to that.


Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have switched "attractive" for "prettier".

Basically what I mean is there is a large majority where attraction tends to swing more to the female side, no matter what sex. For instance, here's a little question someone gave me:

Ladies: If you had the choice to sleep with the ugliest man, or the most gorgeous woman, who would you choose?

Guys: Sleep with the ugliest woman or the the most gorgeous man?


Doesn't count if you're gay, btw (<---rhyme :D )


I betcha a lot of the answers would be 'sleeping with a woman', even for the girls.

[BubbaStrangelove]

I don't agree with the line of questioning there as any proof. To answer that riddle, I'd have to say, "Depends on how nice he treated me."


Maybe it's simply that we're more accustomed to seeing naked women, and genetics or heredity have little to do with it?

Well Bubba, why did they decide to focus so much attention onto women in the first place?

That's simple too. You see the first famous artists were men because society as we know it was wrongly dominated by man for so long.

It's like how people are used to what they grew up with.

[electriclite]

Ok, but I think that goes even farther than just art.

Isn't it also true that before there were any of those famous artists, there was always a hunting instinct in men (and still is )from the dawn of time that made men search out women for procreation?

There's always been attention drawn towards women because of the simple fact that women can make babies. Religious dogma, monarchies, levels of power, survival, masculinity: All built around women's bodies.

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by electriclite

Ladies: If you had the choice to sleep with the ugliest man, or the most gorgeous woman, who would you choose?

Guys: Sleep with the ugliest woman or the the most gorgeous man?

I betcha a lot of the answers would be 'sleeping with a woman', even for the girls.

In America, today, I'm sure everyone would agree with you. But one doesn't have to dig very deep to find cultures where the opposite choices would be made without thought.

I think it's a mistake to read any sort of objective standard of attractiveness into it when we live in a culture that puts such a premium on female beauty. Where lesbian sex is sold for voyeurisitc thrills to men (who by definition couldn't participate).

We live in a society that is much more homophobic when it comes to gay men than when it comes to lesbian women.

I'm sure that's coloring the answers to that sort of question.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Ronaldinho
In America, today, I'm sure everyone would agree with you. But one doesn't have to dig very deep to find cultures where the opposite choices would be made without thought.



We live in a society that is much more homophobic when it comes to gay men than when it comes to lesbian women.

I'm sure that's coloring the answers to that sort of question.


Well its not necessarily just the US that has a preference for lesbians.

During World War 2 in Nazi Germany when homosexuals were being branded with pink triangles and rounded into concentration camps, the Nazis never went after lesbians. From what I read, Hitler had troubled imagining a woman who participated in sex and didn't want the end result to be a pregnancy.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by electriclite
Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have switched "attractive" for "prettier".

Basically what I mean is there is a large majority where attraction tends to swing more to the female side, no matter what sex. For instance, here's a little question someone gave me:

Ladies: If you had the choice to sleep with the ugliest man, or the most gorgeous woman, who would you choose?

Guys: Sleep with the ugliest woman or the the most gorgeous man?


Doesn't count if you're gay, btw (<---rhyme :D )


I betcha a lot of the answers would be 'sleeping with a woman', even for the girls.

I think we're veering off into the subject of homophobia here...

Let's be honest, women are far more comfortable with the notion of same-sex relationships. We don't have to worry ourselves silly about those tricky wee masculinity "issues" or the sheer indignity of exchanging bodily fluids...I can see the blokes squirming in their seats as I speak! ;)

Men also fear the thought of same-sex penetration (not all of course, ya' frisky little devils)...whereas we women have bugger all to worry about in that area (no pun intended).

Hmmm...I'm still not convinced Electriclite, I have GOT to disagree with you on this one I'm afraid!

[electriclite]

Yes, upon further inspection I realize my little question veered off.

Oh well, it won't be my first or last faux pas here. :D

[SLAW]

I don't think we're really talking about movies anymore. Why should there be no nudity at all? It's who we really are. What we really look like. It's natural. Why it's looked at as something wrong is beyond me. I can blame religon. Adam & Eive were naked though, but it's still wrong?

[El Bracamonti]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
I think you're being a little hypcritical. You're ok with female and not male? Be fair about it.

agreed

[BubbaStrangelove]

Having nudity in a film does not objectify the human form. It is the audiences who make the distinction that there is, in fact, nudity are the ones objectifying it. "There's nudity!"

"No, it's a person with no clothes on."

People put the nudity before the person. Kitel should have won a best actor for showing his goods. It's like he showed people an ass-type that they'd never seen before. He should have won because of that and because I'm loaded.


and clothes are a vast conspiracy by the garment industry!

[BorderEevilIII]

Male Nudity, Female Nudity I really dont care...As long as it illustrates a scence in the movie and whether the actor (male or female) showing their full on frontal goods bring it on!!!!

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I think we're veering off into the subject of homophobia here...



Not inappropriately, I think.

It seems to me that most men's discomfort with male nudity is closely related to the emphasis our society puts on a very perscribed definition of masculinity.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Ronaldinho
It seems to me that most men's discomfort with male nudity is closely related to the emphasis our society puts on a very perscribed definition of masculinity.


i think it only seems that way.

I really believe it is because society is used to seeing boobies. Can I call them that, ladies? Boobies?

Anyway - breasts are everywhere! there's the most awfully giant pair I've ever seen hanging over the interstate on a billboard for some sort of liquor, I missed the name.


And when we do see the "man meat" it stands out, heh.


It's like if all you saw were blue cars in your villiage and then one day a red car drove through.

No one is going to say, "Hey, look. He's driving a red car. How daring!"

No way! Everyone would be like, "Hey! What's that red car doing here? I don't know, but I'm not liking what I see. Something's going on here!"


And I'm not trying to say that breasts are like blue cars and penises like red ones -- I'm just saying that we are used to seeing breasts

Look at primetime TV. How much boob do you see there. No, of course you don't see the whole boob, but you see a whole lot of boob. Sometimes up 90% of the boobies.

Cleveage is abound! We even see erect nipples.

But how often do they have a testicle hanging out, or a bulge even? Never as far as I can tell.

The penis is like the best damn kept secret of the human race, in compairison to the golden rule of boobs.


I don't think there is any homophobia about it. I'll say this till I'm blue in the face, but all of this has very little to do with masculinity, or sexuality.


It's all about comfort of conditioning. We've been conditioned to not see penises, so we are uncomfortable when we do.

We being the proverbial we.

[jlovborg]

I think that the prevalance of female nudity in films and in society in general reflects the fact that just about all societies in the world are patriarchal to some extent. Another reason for the situation might be biological: men are probably more easily aroused visually than women.

Yet I feel that there is a lot more male nudity in, say, European films (and societies in general) than in America. For example, in Finnish movies, tv shows as well as commercials, it's pretty common to see men running around butt naked, with their weenies hanging out. I myself see naked men weekly in my life (and no, these encounters aren't sexual at all). Attitude to nudity is a lot more liberal in Europe, and a discussion like this probably wouldn't take place here. Also, it seems to me that Americans often think that nudity and sexuality are somehow inseparably interconnected, while they in my opinion aren't.

The reason for America's coyness is probably the fact that many of the first immigrants in America were Puritans and a lot of the social institutions that are still crucial were formed by them. In Europe, on the other hand, some social institutions date back to pre-Christian times that were a lot less inhibited in their attitude to nudity.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by jlovborg
Also, it seems to me that Americans often think that nudity and sexuality are somehow inseparably interconnected, while they in my opinion aren't.


yes, and I also think this is why so much nudity is in films. Sex sells.

[Jim H]

Yeah, they sometimes have nudity in billboards in Europe. That would cause car crashes over here, sad to say...

[the movie guy]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
yes, and I also think this is why so much nudity is in films. Sex sells.

How many R-rated American films a year do you think show naked breasts? Maybe 8 or 10.

How many show a penis or the pubic region of a woman? Maybe 3 or 4. More close to 1 or 2 though, I'd say.

There's only about 5 to 10 minutes of R-rated nudity in American films a year (and I lean much closer to the 5 minute guesstimate).

As for sex, there's got to be a good hour and a half's worth.

If these numbers are more or less agreed upon, then I don't think there's THAT MUCH nudity in films (at least American ones). Definately a lot of sex though.

[BubbaStrangelove]

but nudity can save a movie like Not Another Teen Movie - not that I've seen it, but that's all people talk about

[ParileseMonster]

I really can not give a comment, because as soon as I read the topic of this thread I started thinking about Billy Zanes nice ass in Dead Calm.:p

[FeverDog420]

Originally posted by ParileseMonster
I really can not give a comment, because as soon as I read the topic of this thread I started thinking about Billy Zanes nice ass in Dead Calm.:p

Can I just say that when Dead Calm first came out on video I must have rewound that moment about a hundred times. Those calves, those thighs, that butt......... ~LICK~

[Buck Turgidson]

I am in favor of more nudity in all films. Male and female alike. I really think it adds a dimension of realism and verisimilitude to most any film it's in. I think anyone that refuses to do any at all, is sort of like someone who won't get a time-appropriate haircut, or do mild physical stunts they're capable of doing, or read a book the script is based on to do preparation for a role: something less than true professional.

I want to point one thing out: Men have only two areas for what would be considered taboo nudity, women have three (or four if you want to break up that high segment into halves.) There is a lot of bare breast exposure from women that counts. Butts are (obviously) the same.

But while there might be a total discrepancy between number of male actors and female ones who do what we would categorize as onscreen nudity at any given time, (a discrepancy seeing far more female nudity overall), I've seen far, far more male actors genetalia that female.

Among women in mainstream films, only Susan Blakely in Capone and Toni Colette in 8 1/2 Women qualify.

Among men, I've seen Bacon, Keitel, McGregor, Richard Gere, Tom Berenger, Viggo Mortensen, Patrick Dempsey and Eric Stoltz (and those are just the ones I can think of off the top ofmy head...) All of this has to do with the relative positioning of the equipment, but I thought I'd point it out.

[FeverDog420]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Among men, I've seen Bacon, Keitel, McGregor, Richard Gere, Tom Berenger, Viggo Mortensen, Patrick Dempsey and Eric Stoltz (and those are just the ones I can think of off the top ofmy head...) All of this has to do with the relative positioning of the equipment, but I thought I'd point it out.

Viggo Mortensen - The Indian Runner
Eric Stoltz - Naked in New York
Richard Gere - American Gigolo
Tom Berenger - At Play in the Fields of the Lord
Kevin Bacon - Wild Things
Harvey Keitel - The Piano
Patrick Dempsey - Some Girls
Ewan McGregor - Trainspotting


Let's add:

Kyle MacLachlan - Blue Velvet
Bruce Willis - Color of Night
John Malkovich - The Sheltering Sky
Daniel Day-Lewis - Stars and Bars
Tim Robbins - The Player
Malcolm McDowell - A Clockwork Orange
Tom Cruise - All the Right Moves
Robert De Niro - 1900
Christian Slater - The Name of the Rose
Gary Oldman - Chattahoochee
Donald Sutherland - Don't Look Now
Sylvester Stallone - Party at Kitty & Studs

and, of course,

Jaye Davidson - The Crying Game

[James Logan]

If the nudity serves the movie, be it for aesthetical or believability reasons, then I'm all for it, be it male or female. The human body is a piece of art, and of course, as a heterosexual man, I enjoy female nudity best, but male nudity doesn't bother me at all. As long as it isn't out of place, and is used for a good reason, then I say do it, and do it as much as you need to.

[Jim H]

"Among women in mainstream films, only Susan Blakely in Capone and Toni Colette in 8 1/2 Women qualify. "

To add to that... What's her face, the high class hooker, in Any Given Sunday. Post-coitus, you see it all from behind for a few seconds.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Jim H
"Among women in mainstream films, only Susan Blakely in Capone and Toni Colette in 8 1/2 Women qualify. "

To add to that... What's her face, the high class hooker, in Any Given Sunday. Post-coitus, you see it all from behind for a few seconds.

Elizabeth Berkely? Really? I always fall asleep way before that if forced to watch that film. Might have to make an effort to see it...

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Viggo Mortensen - The Indian Runner
Eric Stoltz - Naked in New York
Richard Gere - American Gigolo
Tom Berenger - At Play in the Fields of the Lord
Kevin Bacon - Wild Things
Harvey Keitel - The Piano
Patrick Dempsey - Some Girls
Ewan McGregor - Trainspotting


Let's add:

Kyle MacLachlan - Blue Velvet
Bruce Willis - Color of Night
John Malkovich - The Sheltering Sky
Daniel Day-Lewis - Stars and Bars
Tim Robbins - The Player
Malcolm McDowell - A Clockwork Orange
Tom Cruise - All the Right Moves
Robert De Niro - 1900
Christian Slater - The Name of the Rose
Gary Oldman - Chattahoochee
Donald Sutherland - Don't Look Now
Sylvester Stallone - Party at Kitty & Studs

and, of course,

Jaye Davidson - The Crying Game



I thought about Jaye, but since it was such a gender bender, I passed. I think Langella went Full Monty in Lyne's Lolita.

Some of these guys have multiples. In addition to what you've listed, Keitel has the classic scene in Bad Lieutenant, McGregor in The Pillow Book and Velvet Goldmine and Stoltz in Haunted Summer.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Sharon Stone showed her factory in Basic Insitnct.

That's the only female genital shot I can think of.


There is a genital imbalance though. You are right about men's genitals being everywhere compared to womens.

I guess males and female toplessness probably equals out. I've seen Porky's 2 and Top Gun.

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by Jim H
"Among women in mainstream films, only Susan Blakely in Capone and Toni Colette in 8 1/2 Women qualify. "

To add to that... What's her face, the high class hooker, in Any Given Sunday. Post-coitus, you see it all from behind for a few seconds.

So you're defining "showing it all" for a woman as basically spreading her legs for the camera, rather than simple bottomless nudity where nothing is intentionally obscured?

[FeverDog420]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Sharon Stone showed her factory in Basic Instinct.

That's the only female genital shot I can think of.


There is a genital imbalance though. You are right about men's genitals being everywhere compared to womens.

Off the top of my head:

Isabella Rosselini - Blue Velvet
Heather Graham - Boogie Nights
Julianne Moore - Short Cuts
Jennifer Connelly - Requiem for a Dream
Holly Hunter - Living Out Loud
Deborah Unger - Crash
Chloe Sevigny - Kids
Hillary Swank - Boys Don't Cry
Elizabeth Berkley - Showgirls

I dunno - I think it's balanced.

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Off the top of my head:

Isabella Rosselini - Blue Velvet
Heather Graham - Boogie Nights
Julianne Moore - Short Cuts
Jennifer Connelly - Requiem for a Dream
Holly Hunter - Living Out Loud
Deborah Unger - Crash
Chloe Sevigny - Kids
Hillary Swank - Boys Don't Cry
Elizabeth Berkley - Showgirls

I dunno - I think it's balanced.

You've got to be kidding me? Balances? Female nudity is far more common than male nudity. Other bottomless women?

Emily Watson in Breaking the Waves
Laura Haring in Mulholland Dr.
Connie Nielson in Devil's Advocate
Maria Schneider in Last Tango in Paris.
Jane Fonda in Barbarella

and that's just off the top of my head...

To say nothing of the legions of young women who have basically made their living taking off their panties in b-fare that usually runs on late-night cable (think Shannon Tweed).

If you want any sort of conclusive sense of how common these things are, buy the Bare Facts video guide. It's basically a reference to nude scenes in movies.

I think you'll find that nudity--even the below-the-belt kind--is far more prevalent among women than it is among men in film.

[FeverDog420]

On the flip side, I've got the Movie Buff Checklist: Male Nudity in the Movies, which is over 300 pages.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Err -- When we say genitals we don't just mean, like, um, down there.... not just the public hair, but you know, like the lavia, and clitoris, and so-forth. I feel a bit embarrassing saying this.

You've seen The People Vs. Larry Flynt, right? Remember how he wanted them to spread their legs and show them what was in the middle, instead of just showing the hair and stuff?

That's why we are saying there is more male parts in movies. Seeing a woman's public region is the same as that scene in Silence of the Lambs where he had his johnny tucked between his legs. Hence, we didn't see his genitals.

There are more male genitelia in film than female. There is probably more nudity all together when you consider that mean are seen topless just as often. Top Gun, and what-not.

[Ronaldinho]

Except that I think it's a trivial arguement. The vast majority of men, when presented with a picture of a nude woman, do not say, "Wow, I wish I could see her labia" any more than a woman checking out a man's ass wants him to spread his cheeks and show his anus.

Given the standards of objectification in this industry, I'm very confident that labia put in such rare appearances because of how contrived you'd have to be to show them. Unlike a penis, which anybody looking at a naked man will see, you have to make a point of it to see the labia or clitoris (and let's face it, the later doesn't have a reputation for being easy to find.)

As for the equal-topless arguement, well, I think you're mighty naive indeed if you think that we live in a culture where male toplessness and female toplessness are somehow equivalent.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Ronaldinho
Unlike a penis, which anybody looking at a naked man will see, you have to make a point of it to see the labia or clitoris (and let's face it, the later doesn't have a reputation for being easy to find.)



Which was my point all along. I'm not suggesting that there is a conspiracy of any sort to deny people a look at female genitaila. It's difficult to see as a rule (the only reason I could count Toni Colette in 8 1/2 Women is that she was shaved.) You can see women full frontal and never come close to seeing actual genitals, because the hair obscures them. Since men have theirs more front and center, it's hard to miss. Thus, there are two kinds of male nudity: butt shots (not uncommon), and penis shots (less common, but still occasionally occuring.) With women, there is the easy example of breast(s), plus the butt and also the bush. More naughty bits + bigger demand = a higher net number of female exposures.

A lot of what was listed above was bush-only stuff. While that's nice, it's still not what I was talking about. I know people who saw the Sharon Stone scene think they saw (to quote Randall from Clerks) all the way up "to her kidneys", but I've never seen anything but hair. I hate that film w/ an intense passion, so I haven't really made a Zapruderesque study of it. Even if it is, the total is still small compared to the number of men. For reasons I outlined above, it's just easier to see men's equipment.

Also, don't be so sure men aren't interested in seeing the, uh, whole package. Most hardcore film make a big point of this. There are some men who don't want to be bothered about learning what does what, and just want to turn the lights off and pound away, but a lot of us have a certain curiosity that extends past the obviously crass (which is part of it, I grant) and gets into the area of wanting to learn something new or expand on our already acquired knowledge.

[electriclite]

Getting even more risque: Has anyone paid a visit to the Spice Channel lately? Yeah I know, it's porn with a plot (barely) but for a porn channel there are a lot of non-existent penises on that channel. You can see just about everything of a woman, but you have to have fierce determination to even catch a 2 second glimpse of even a shaft.


Can anyone explain this mind-boggling phenomenon?

[Buck Turgidson]

Hmm. I've got access (on a pay-per-view basis) to Spice, Playboy TV (I have to watch Night Calls 411 every now and then), and three other ones (The Hot Zone and a couple of others.) These latter three show uncut hardcore films.

Playboy TV shows a lot of soft-core and slightly harder programming, and they show one uncut hardcore film per night "The Directors Cut".

Spice shows pretty strictly edited hardcore films, without the explicit penetration shots. Don't ask me why. They show a double feature nightly called "A Taste of Spice" that shows two formerly-hardcore films back to back. I guess this is something of a tease to get you interested in the real deal.

[electriclite]

If you mean edit in a post-production sense, you're partially wrong.

They go into a scene with the intention to blocking any view of the guy's package. I can't tell you how many strategically placed flower pots, legs, bed posts, poles, car doors, etc have been used to keep you from getting even glimpse of a penis.

The only reasons for this that I can think of is either A.) They've regarded themselves as strictly "male" porn, which means its only really meant for guys so there's no need to show what the other guy's got, just the women, or B.) The men are using condoms and in order not to wreck the "fantasy" aspect they avoid showing the penis.

[Buck Turgidson]

Okay. I think we're talking about two different things, then. (That sounds like the scene in the first Austin Powers film...)

The channel I have access to shows that "Taste of Spice" thing, but might not be the actual Spice Channel.

I see plenty of condoms on the other channels, whenever I watch anything. (Hardcore is something best viewed on an occasional basis.)

Is it just me, or does every guy these days look like Vince Vaughn?

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Just to respond to the original post, I know many have already stated similar things but the post pissed me off.

First off, if you feel threatened by male nudity try reading stuff from www.kids-in-mind.com or www.screenit.com. They reveal all the nudity in a flick for those parents who don't want their kids traumatized.

I have absolutely no problem with male nudity. I'm not homosexual, I just could care less. I have a dick and so do other men, why should it bother me to see it on screen? Also, I think it's ridiculous to say youdon't want to see men naked but you think it's ok for women to shed their clothing. What about all the women who don't want to see female nudity? It's ok not to find it sexually appealing but to say it's disgusting is a little sexist.

IT'S JUST A DICK FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

Matt

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream

IT'S JUST A DICK FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!


Nicely said, señor...nicely said. :)

[Reigh Kaufman]

IT'S JUST A DICK FOR CHRIST SAKE!

That would make one cool bumper sticker. Can you imagine gunning it down Route 66, the window open, one arm leaning out in the sun and suddenly RFAD comes hurtlingpast, screaming his crazy head off...

IT'S JUST A DICK FOR CHRIST SAKE!

That would rule the fucking planet!

[Madeline]

Originally posted by CriticalBill6966
This thread went down faster then Elton John on a Backstreet Boy! :eek:

I would've thought someone would pick up the humor in this, but I guess that would've been too far fetched.



In all honesty there shouldn't be any nudity in hardly any movie. Other then a porno, and maybe....maybe....and I stress maybe....an erotic thriller, there's really no reason for it.

What's the point?

Take a couple of scenes from movies showing meat:

Say,

Harvey Keitel in well, pick one.....
Halley Berry in Swordfish

Showing this did nothing for these movies. It didn't drive anything futher, it didn't have any reason to be in the fucking movie, other then to get the responce, :eek: "Holy Shit! Did you see that?!?!"

Now I did say "hardly". Movies should find ways to incorporate it better, then just writing it in just for the hell or money of it. A recent movies that come to mind is Monster's Ball.

Berry and Thorton going at it signified a change in both there life. Thorton more so then Berry. Thorton begins to fuck her like he did the pro, the flips her around after noticing that was just wrong. Look at his face next time and you'll see him think about it.

Berry shows her conection and innocents, after all the rage she'd shown, when she's on top going slowly and gental.

And that my friends is how to do nudity right in a film!


I'm a girl and I completely agree with you. I don't want to be traumitized by male nuditiy in a film, considering it comes out wham! out of nowhere.

[BadCoverVersion]

Since when was seeing a bit of DICK and TIT a traumatic experience?

I think some chaps need to get out more!

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
Since when was seeing a bit of DICK and TIT a traumatic experience?

Depends on whose, love. Depends on whose.

[Reigh Kaufman]

It would be traumatic seeing a bit of tit and dick if you came home from a club with a person and they had both. Not for me...I dig that...

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Ronaldinho
Except that I think it's a trivial arguement.


You could have stopped right there. I was only speaking from an objective and literal standpoint. Of course there is more female nudity than male. The point I've been going on about for so long is that society is pretty unequal when it comes to taboo parts between men and women. Maybe female breasts are more desirable than a mans because they produce a life source. I don't know, maybe breasts are the penis equivilant because of the protrusion thing, and that's why big dicks and big tits are porn fodder. Again, I don't know.

What I do know is the nipples are erogenous zones, and while it is taboo to expose the female nipple, it is okay to expose the males.

And while a penis is an erogenous zone, I've never actually tested this theory, but I'm not sure if you can bring a woman to orgasm fondling her pubic hair.

And I see female pubic hair in movies more than the males genitelia, but I've seen more male genitalia than female genitalia.


Please, everything I am saying is fact. Literally, men get about as much SKIN exposure as women. But yes, our definition of nudity doesn't really mean without dress - it pertains to female breasts, pubic hair, and the male penis. Butts are usually labeled as brief nudity.

But please don't turn this into another case of me being chastized because my view point is being taken as a stand point.




And finally, I'm just glad that they never show erect animal penises in movies. However, I'm sure the Farrley Bros. are working on a joke.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Reigh Kaufman
It would be traumatic seeing a bit of tit and dick if you came home from a club with a person and they had both. Not for me...I dig that...

You're all talk Kaufman...

I fondly recall a rather risque PM regarding a Bangkok Chick-boy and a jar of Nutella...You went into great depth son! I distinctly recollect how you ranted about the gummed label on that pot of nutty foreign chocolate.

I'll bet my wanking hand that you never did manage to turn that jar into a common-or-garden tumbler.

[freakandgeek]

imo, its the same as female nudity. i am not really too INTO watching either, but i will...whatev

[Lady Summerisle]

Folks, it takes a brave actor to wave their tackle at a camera. Just ask Ewan McGregor. He's got cajones (pardon the pun).

Being of the female persuasion, I would like to see more than the three B's during a hot love scene. Thats just pulling a Zalman King!

Male nudity may not appeal to men, but IT IS A WELCOME CHANGE.

I don't watch OZ just for its great acting (which it has), and riveting realism.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Originally posted by notchreturns
I don't mind seeing cock on-screen. I mean, it's just another reason for me to laugh at an actor I don't like....

Notch has hit the nail on the head.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Originally posted by James Logan
Nicely said, señor...nicely said. :)

Thank you, I appreciate it.

Oh, and it would make a great bumper sticker!

Matt

[happy OUT here]

It always has been something laughable to me.....takes the sensuality away!

[Irene Manor]

I was thinking that male nudity was the only thing missing from Lord of the Rings.

[Jim H]

"It always has been something laughable to me.....takes the sensuality away!"

To a certain extent, that's true, as in sex scenes the man never is aroused (well, in mainstream anyways - there are a few non-porn foreign films with that). I mean, he's making out with some girl and they're all feeling each other up or on top of each other, and nothing. Impotent, or what?

The reasons are twofold, the man probably wouldn't do it for obvious reasons, and it would increase the rating immediately to NC-17.

[dellamorte dellamore]

If it has something to do with the story, it makes some sort of point, or maybe advances the narrative, then i really don't have a problem with it, male or female nudity.


Now, i'm not someone who would watch a film just too catch some female nudity, just as i wouldn't avoid a film if it had full frontal male nudity.


Someone mentioned Boogie Nights in an earlier thread, and for me that is an excellent example of the nudity serving some sort of purpose. Everyone was making such a big deal about Mr Diggler , ( you could even make the argument his endowment was the foundation of the story ), that eventually it was only logical and fair to show what the hype was all about. Ultimately , that scene had a somewhat profound effect, maybe unintentional , it conveyed the message that even a big dick can only go so far, but there are people that will delude you into thinking you're something more than you really are if you have the " right " equipment .


Now some other films iv'e seen utilized male nudity in a gratuitous manner, it served no purpose whatsoever, in my opinion, Color of Night and Wild Things ( then again the women were exposed so why not the men in those films ), it just seemed like exploitation.



Winter Sleepers was another one that showed a naked man, but i felt the genius part about that decision was that it wasn't at all erotic, it showed just how miserable and vulnerable that particular character's life was.


Now about the debate between what looks better, a naked woman, or a naked man. I'm a guy so of course i would have to say a nekkid woman. But, at the risk of sounding a little flaky, i think it really depends. Woman's bodies can get real repulsive, especially as they age and have a couple of kids. Or if they don't take care of themselves.


I've seen some naked ones i my Navy days that would repulse even ex pres Mr Clinton. Now on the flip side, i remember Van Damme in his prime, the guy's physique was perfection, carefully crafted with hard work and dedication, at one time i was obsessed with his films just to get a peak at what he did with his body. Not in a sexual way, but i felt his body really was a work of art at one time, and i admired the dedication it took to achieve that look.



I would rather watch Van Damme in his prime than watch some young lady who has let herself go, it's simply easier on the eyes, is all.



In the end, i would go nude in a film, frontal and backal, i have no problem with it. Just as long as the scene has nothing to do with water, and there was a legitimate reason behind it. The only problem i would have is if my mother ever saw the film, now that would be truly traumatic.

[Lady Summerisle]

Men,

The body is a beautiful thing, no matter how different they are. Many actresses are not perfect, and aren't immortal, body wise.
Maybe we should start to find beuty in other places than a naked body of an enhanced actress. I am not perfect, and I bet if I went nude in a film, I would get flack.
Kate Winslet is often chastised for being overweight, but truth is, WE WOMEN ARE JUST LIKE THAT. She is willing to expose herslef without the glamour. I love her for that fact.

On the subject of male nudity, Geoffrey Rush did frontal nudity in QUILLS. Now he is not in his peak (fifty something), but its very sexy that he will wave his tackle for the viewers. Men aren't as desirable nude because all their nuaghty bit poke out.
I love seeing naked men on OZ, or a flash from Sir Ewan McGregor's mighty lightsaber in PILLOW BOOK, or VELVET GOLDMINE.
Women are given short shrift cinematically, and even though men are predominant viewers of nudity filled tripe, we ladies enjoy a bit of skin also.

I don't set out to offend anyone, keep that in mind.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Lady Summerisle
Kate Winslet is often chastised for being overweight, but truth is, WE WOMEN ARE JUST LIKE THAT. She is willing to expose herslef without the glamour. I love her for that fact.

On the subject of male nudity, Geoffrey Rush did frontal nudity in QUILLS. Now he is not in his peak (fifty something), but its very sexy that he will wave his tackle for the viewers.

Idiots chastise Kate for being overweight. I wouldn't want all women to be her body type (or any other single one), but I look at her and I see a really fabulous, sexy woman. If she wants to get some exercize, I could, y'know...help out.

Rush claimed that showing that much was his tribute to De Sade, since it was sadistic to show himself to the audience. :D Wonderful line.

[Annie Hall]

Originally posted by Lady Summerisle

Kate Winslet is often chastised for being overweight, but truth is, WE WOMEN ARE JUST LIKE THAT. She is willing to expose herslef without the glamour. I love her for that fact.


If Kate Winslet has a bad body, I fear for the rest of the world. As a chick myself, I think she is one of the most lovely actresses out there. She's an actual person...she hasn't been on a diet since she was 10 years old...she's gorgeous, but not a stick. Thank *God* she actually has a body that is actually in proportion (insert Kirsten Dunst joke here)

[Lady Summerisle]

Rush claimed that showing that much was his tribute to De Sade, since it was sadistic to show himself to the audience. Wonderful line.


What a cheeky monkey! When actors get better senses of humour about nudity of the male persuasion, Rush will be the one who started it all.

[bowieee]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Idiots chastise Kate for being overweight. I wouldn't want all women to be her body type (or any other single one), but I look at her and I see a really fabulous, sexy woman. If she wants to get some exercize, I could, y'know...help out.

Rush claimed that showing that much was his tribute to De Sade, since it was sadistic to show himself to the audience. :D Wonderful line.

I can't agree more. Kate Winslet is extremely hot, Especially in Quills. Rush never stops suprising me please god don't let him fade away into b movies.....

[thedarklamb]

Male nudity Rules! Female nudity is so common....we need more male nudity to balance it out.....all in fun, here's a few flicks to get started on:

Fight Club - Bad Pitt
SubUrbia - Giovanni Ribisi
Total Eclipse - Leo Dicaprio
Bad Lieutenant - Harvey Keitel
The Crying Game - Jaye Davidson
Wild Things - Kevin Bacon
Quills - Geoffrey Rush
Breaking The Waves
Damage - Jermey Irons
A Room With A View
Trainspotting/VelvetGoldmine/PillowBook - Ewan Mcgregor

[NormanBates]

I'm writing a screenplay right now...the entire film takes place within the confines of a nudist colony.

[movies35]

Fight Club doesn't have any nudity in it does it?

[Jim H]

It doesn't from Brad Pitt. VERY close, but just barely out of range when he answers the door to talk to Norton.

[Corporal_Hicks]

Sometimes I feel sorry for girls.
Practically every actress has done nudity or will in the future. Yet male nudity seems scarce. I am also thankful for that too though.

[Grim H.]

Just look away man. That's what I do, just look away.

[Corporal_Hicks]

I also agree with notch's comment on how seeing a despised actor's dick just gives you another reason to mock him.

[Scarface98.9]

I bet that Criticalbill watches a lot of porno where there's a lot of male nudity, but has no problem with it

[dellamorte dellamore]

I don't look foward to it , but if it's there and it has something to do with the story , i have no problem with it .

The problem i do have is when they put a strap on to try and impress everyone . Just show who you really are and stop hiding behind props , i would have more respect for the actors that stripped down to all skin if they didn't try to enhance their endowment .

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
The problem i do have is when they put a strap on to try and impress everyone . Just show who you really are and stop hiding behind props , i would have more respect for the actors that stripped down to all skin if they didn't try to enhance their endowment .

What the bloody fuck have you been watching pervy...!?

;)

[Bickle]

What's wrong with seeing some mans arse or dick in a film? Doesn't bother me one tiny bit. I don't see what the big fuss is about, you have a dick and you've seen it plenty of times so it's nothing new. It's not like the actors gonna ask you to suck it.

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
What the bloody fuck have you been watching pervy...!?

;)


Probably a Boogie Night reference...Marky Mark's utility belt!

[jackson13]

Lets just all say it together: PENIS PENIS PENIS, VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA!!!

Nudity in films doesnt bother me at all. I have a dick. I see it and use it everyday, its a way of life. When i'm watching a movie, and theres female nudity in it, I consider it a bonus. If its male nudity I just say to myself "Oh I dont need to see that" but it goes no further. I just brush it aside and keep on watching. Same goes with females. I'll say to myself, if its good nudity, "thats pretty damn hot" but again I'll brush it off and keep watching the film. Seeing a meat and two veg doesnt bother me, I have one, and they all look the same, so it doesnt bother me to see someone elses.
Men are obsessed with womens bodies because they have somethings we dont: Tits and Puss. Fellas, tell me honestly, if you woke up tommorow and discovered you had boobies and a love hole, would you not take a moment to examine and 'pleasure' yourself? I know I would. Why? Because men dont get to play with a woman every day of thier life. If we could we would, but we cant and dont. We will always drool over female nudity, because like I said, its something we dont have and something we dont see or get to play with everyday. It's almost 4 p.m. here and I have yet to see a boob or a Ginnee today. But the day is young, and have access to the net I could easily log onto a porn site and satisfy the urge right now, but I wont. Now im gonna be blunt and say that I have "released some tension today", but thats something guys do everyday. Its like that Seinfeld episode where they see who can go the longest. Its hard not to. George mentions that his mom kept asking "why george why" and he said "because its there". Thats why they made a bet on who would cave first. And also why they were weary of allowing Elaine to join in, because to us guys, it seems like it would be much easier for a woman to not pleasure themselves. Its like Jerry says to Elaine "We have to do it, its part of our lifestyle, its like shaving" to which Elaine replies "thats such bologna, I shave my legs" and then Kramer chimes in "Not everyday." Women arent obsessed with sex like men are, its just a known fact.

By the way, I have no idea how I got from commenting male nudity in films to talking about obsessing with female bodies and whacking it. Excuse me while I step out and clear my head.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think Bacon used one in Wild Things too .

[Tommy Doyle]

Originally posted by Bickle
What's wrong with seeing some mans arse or dick in a film? Doesn't bother me one tiny bit. I don't see what the big fuss is about, you have a dick and you've seen it plenty of times so it's nothing new. It's not like the actors gonna ask you to suck it.

Too fucking funny, and too fucking true!

[Neesh]

I have no problem with nudity in films, male or otherwise. It's supposed to stir an emotion in the viewer... which obviously it does. Thats the directors intent. However sometimes it's done poorly, and other times it's most effective.

[Neesh]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Can I just say that when Dead Calm first came out on video I must have rewound that moment about a hundred times. Those calves, those thighs, that butt......... ~LICK~

Yeah, me too..... Nicole Kidman.... what a hottie !!! :p

[Jon Lyrik]

As a straight guy I'd rather look at big boobies, but i have nothing against male nudity. After all, I get a glimpse of my privates every day in the shower or when I'm pissing, why not in a movie? Sure, I'd much rather see female nudity, but seeing another guy's dick or ass won't make me cringe.

[happy OUT here]

Male nudity is just silly looking.

[Neesh]

Not to my girlfriend.

[zsofika]

i think that there should be...some men...more nude...some more
dressed....as a dressed hulk of a guy...i am sure the same with
how men feels...keeps one coming back...a man in a suit...some
are far more sexy dressed then nude...i also..draw nudes for
a living...and the males...always hang around..during breaks to
tell me how...this is just a little money on the side...as they are
getting degrees..blahblah...where women nudes...never justify
themselves....is that because a really good looking babe..is enough..unto herself...where a really good looking guy...ya..
well....what else did you get for christmas....i agree with someone
that the female form...has more nurturing lines...on this continent.. anyway...i have noticed with other races...the men also have softer form...usually from warmer climates...if it is
a problem with seeing men nude..to much or not enough...who
else grew up...consumed...by nakedness..in national geographic..
g-strings on bush men...they are so far beyond us...as far as
natural feelings to nakedness...that it makes us all look like..
victorian...prudes...seeing more wars played out...in nothing
but g-strings...would make for high humour...but...i am sure
the boot industry...and clothes industry...would object...we are all
mechanical trained...in our taste...hard to unravel that bullshit...i find if i am attracted to the man...it doesn`t matter..clothes or
not...it is his inner dialogue...that pulls...but with all these varied
opinion...one things is similar to us all...we all end up food for
worms...and other creepy crawly things.

[ICP RULZ]

Dude,I didn't get a word outta what you said:D

Peace,
Matt

[zsofika]

well maybe sweetheart ....it wasn`t meant for you...hey...have you read...science of idiotism....all the different types...of peoples
in the world...varieties of mind sets....just planting seeds...as spring is here.....mind gardening.....if it doesn`t speak to you..
don`t sweat it........

[jackson13]

i didnt get it, or your second reply, either. Maybe you should talk in sentences, that way you would make sense.

[zsofika]

when you say make sense...you are speaking about making sense
to you.....I am not a guidance teacher. If you need to know
my thoughts in sentences, take two aspirins and call me in
the morning.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think this thread has run it's course , it's gone limp .

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
I think this thread has run it's course , it's gone limp .

LMFAO!

Nice pun there man!

[Neesh]

Originally posted by jackson13
i didnt get it, or your second reply, either. Maybe you should talk in sentences, that way you would make sense.

Maybe you shouldnt waste time and bandwidth putting down another persons style of posting. I got it. It was more interesting and made more sense than alot of the other mindless posts I see around here. Seems some people like to post for no other reason than to hear themselves talk, put people down, or to watch their "post count" rise.... lol

Yes, this has been an interesting thread. But maybe its time to pull it out...so to speak.

[zsofika]

thanks brother...i am glad you got something from it....

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Neesh
Seems some people like to post for no other reason than to hear themselves talk, put people down, or to watch their "post count" rise

Oh yeah thats exactly what I did. Seeing as how I've been here over 2 years now and am growing closer to 2000 posts. I just posted that just to put him down and see my post count rise. :rolleyes: I posted that because I, along with another schmoe, couldn't understand what he was trying to say. If you would have read my post you would've seen that I said "I didnt get it....either." I was just stating a point that he confused not only me, but someone else, and therefore should maybe post so that EVERYONE could understand his post. I've noticed that your fairly new here, so I'll let your disrespecting me slide just this one time. And yes, this thread has run its course. Someone end it now.

[zsofika]

this is just a fun thing...don`t lose perspective..i happen also to be a woman zsofika...hungarian..meaning wise...i like to express
myself...in poetic meter...so to speak...a lucid flow of associations..
don`t feel i need...to be understood...by everyone....as this is
a matter of feelings...chemistry......a film of course...will be so
many different things to different types of life experience...some
times it is just a matter...of a bad day...i just received...tragic
family news last night....it is bound to have me...choose movies
which will...give me another dimension..to my own life situations..
it`s all too abstract...i don`t feel that asking...for..another interpretion...is my business....it`s like a haiku...i am just sharing
my reflections.....as it feels good...and i like reading the diversity
of type of opinions...humour...etc...so as they say let sleeping dog lie.
i might have misunderstood..the purpose of this particular channel..maybe it is for on-line conversation so to speak...as i
am a real emotional type of person...needing painting and collage
making...word smithing...to express the depth that a piece of
film..among other things..has struck me at....from now on ....you can just go on to
the next....dialogue...if this is not your particular need...i personally since...connecting with joblo.....have gain a great deal..
as many of you are so articulate...and knowledgable about film
making...acting..etc....most enjoyable ...connection, i have
learnt alot....i actual grow strong in opposition...i am a published
playwrite and poet....make small...whimsical films...am seriously
thinking of studying film...at university...it operates on so many
different levels

[Jim H]

The way you write isn't really poetic. Just Willian Shatner-esque.

[Neesh]

Originally posted by Jim H
The way you write isn't really poetic. Just Willian Shatner-esque.

Whats the point of this post? It has nothing to do with the thread, or even movies in general. It serves no other purpose than to take a lame stab at another "schmoe". Who are you to judge what is poetic or not? This person is trying to post to this forum and express herself, in a language that is not even her first. Some people don't get Lynch. Some people find his style poetic. Ya know, theres enough negativity in the world....You wanna dis a movie, a film maker, or what-have-you -- knock yourself out. But I'd hate to see a fellow schmoe get discouraged from posting here in the future (especially one who is even working in the industry, and might have some valuable insight to offer...) because some schmuck openly disses their "style" of posting. Are we here to talk about movies, or judge other peoples styles of posting? Didnt you fucking read RULE # 1 of JoBlos music club? Sorry for the negative tone of my post, but this shit just aint right....
I feel better now.

[Jim H]

I was trying to be funny but failed miserably. It wasn't meant to be an insult of her.

And anyways, if you read it with pauses for the elipses, it does sound like Shatner. You can consider Shatner poetic, which he is, when he is at his best.

[zsofika]

ok....my children enjoy...star trek...i was not insulted...it was just
part of stream of consciousness....this is just play for me....i go to
other...channels...on the internet....for real intellectual dialogue..
mind you...i do find joblo...and some writer`s here very eloquent
in their...reviews...and i agree with neesh....about...be less
critical..of style...whether it is a long termer or not...which is a
real jock attitude....runting season is in the fall for large mammels..most importantly....why waste joblo`s effort ...to have
this happen...this is incredible...how much work went into making
this website....time and money...much appreciated...joblo

[LydiaPandora]

Be fair. In almost every movie, you see boobs. Never censured. Why we couldn't see a man's ass or you*know*what ?? In fact, I'd like to see more. ;)

[scace]

I always feel cheated when I hear that European versions expect more nudity in films than the US. Think Eye's Wide Shut. It's an outrage that there are 2 versions of this film. Will we ever get to see Tobey Maguire and Leo D. in Don's Plum? Abolish the MPAA!

[zsofika]

lydiapandors.....it you want more male ass....check out national
geographic films...of different naked tribes...hunting mostly...but
some realy good dance scenarios....too....never saw so more
happy bums....in one film.....wow

[zsofika]

i think in terms of this male nudity...i guess have grown up with
horses...and seeing...lots of stallion...humping..mares..then getting small horses the following year...makes me really comfort
able with all forms of mating and nakedness...homosexual love
unfortunately has been made fun of alot more in hollywood..
then lesbian love.....this is really degrading to my homosexual
friends...of whom i have many....a good source...of real beauty
in homosexual love....is 9th street new york...internet channel..
this guy...forget his name...has written wonderful...beautiful
books...on homosexual love....this guy is a former psychriatrist..
and it is heavy reading....like many aggressive acts between
men is just learnt behavior...the undercurrent of it is real
affection...and this is very terrifying to a basically war culture..
apparently historically ghanghis khan....was bi sexual...he
had all his wives to bear children...but wrote...volumes of
love poetry...to a man...where it is clearly stated that they
had physical love also....so be prepared .....to have new
images.....of men....naked....

[Neesh]

Woah daddy ....

[zsofika]

neesh.....hvordan har de det? godaften

[Splendiferous]

I don't care for nudity at all in movies, male or female, unless it's necessary to the plot or trying to make a statement.

[zsofika]

i love to see male nudity..in films..as it makes men more..open..
they are not selling the suit..i only wish i could have seen
ed sullivan...and hitchcock...robert redford without his boots..
robert de niro...without his suit...anthony hopkins without his
quaint british attire..yes..that will be the day..when male
nudity...is judged as highly as female nudity...whata see
more of his ass...behind the mask baby...but i do agree..
a good story line...buries the issue...of sex...unless the
eyes and hands...and heart...takes one so far beyond..
the ache....that one is satisfied...in my opinion.

[quoth_the_raven]

whats the problem with male nudity? hell, if women can get naked, so can the guys right? what difference does it make? dont get me wrong, a naked lady is a pleasant sight, more pleasant to me than a schlong for sure, but surely, this is not much of a problem. just because i seem to have seen kevin bacons willy about 900 times, doesnt mean i am gonna suddenly start fearing for my sexuality. at the end of the day, 50% of the world has one, hell i see one every day, and i just cant feel all that threatened because i have seen someone elses, especially if it is an actor i have never even met. its really not a bad thing, its just something that happens in some movies. its just not a big issue. and it is hypocritical to suggest that it is ok for a lady to flash her boobs, but its not ok for a man to flash his bits.

here endeth the rant.

[Jim H]

It's never bothered me at all.. I don't know why it bothers other guys. Does it bother them in porn films? NO! So why does it in normal ones?

[movies35]

I can only name a few movies with full frontal male nudity.

1. Quills
2. One Hour Photo
3. Pillow Book
4. Wild Thing
Oh and Hallow Man but I don't think that counts becuase you only see the shadow.
and...
5. Boogie Nights

[zsofika]

on second thought....that derelict of time...aging..with out
seeing naked men...it has keep me harboured..in the ambitous
longing...so now when i see...said...fantasy man..men...with
greyed hair....ugly wringles around the neck...and once sooooo
beautiful...now holding decay...as if for a second...i scream..
why torment me....mirrored...illusion bearer....when you know
so well...that the dead don't fart.....nor the living...stay ...
forever....in the entrails of this serpent...called the garden
of eden....eaten by their own...fate..as fate draws....continents
upon their brows.....i can weep for you handsome was...but
to embrace....this leprosy of human fantasy...the fruit has
fallen...what was so sweet....now bleed on his cross...of
stoled wisdom....crying out....for another chance...another
time.....brother the lie...you wrapped around your rooster's
crown.....is limited....and so...let the show go on...

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by zsofika
on second thought....that derelict of time...aging..with out
seeing naked men...it has keep me harboured..in the ambitous
longing...so now when i see...said...fantasy man..men...with
greyed hair....ugly wringles around the neck...and once sooooo
beautiful...now holding decay...as if for a second...i scream..
why torment me....mirrored...illusion bearer....when you know
so well...that the dead don't fart.....nor the living...stay ...
forever....in the entrails of this serpent...called the garden
of eden....eaten by their own...fate..as fate draws....continents
upon their brows.....i can weep for you handsome was...but
to embrace....this leprosy of human fantasy...the fruit has
fallen...what was so sweet....now bleed on his cross...of
stoled wisdom....crying out....for another chance...another
time.....brother the lie...you wrapped around your rooster's
crown.....is limited....and so...let the show go on... I don't know why you type like that, but it reminds me of the handicapped kid in Malcolm In The Middle who pauses after every few words ;)

[zsofika]

a word of advice....you will most likely understand it better...
the style...the meter....when you get a better education...
oh...so you are....retard...sensitive...nothing to hide from..
my friend......we all have our own special blends of retardation..
yours are not that complicated.....

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
I don't know why you type like that, but it reminds me of the handicapped kid in Malcolm In The Middle who pauses after every few words ;)


Bam!! We have burn!


zsofika, I understand what you are saying totally. People knocked me for typing broken paragraphs.


Bake still burned you good though!






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[RickySlade]

Why is there even nudity in movies? Why in movies are the uncalled for tit shots for no reason? The reason why sex sells is because people like it. Sex = Pleasure, Nudity = Pleasure.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by zsofika
a word of advice....you will most likely understand it better...
the style...the meter....when you get a better education...
oh...so you are....retard...sensitive...nothing to hide from..
my friend......we all have our own special blends of retardation..
yours are not that complicated..... I didn't mean it as an insult. I quite enjoy reading your posts. Just stating that when I read them, it feels like there's a pause after every few words... like the guy in MITM. So no hard feelings.

[zsofika]

ms. bubbastrangelove...miss bake the moo cow...ain't
got a rise out of me.....i found it my duty.....my heartfelt
respond...ability....to help her expand on her.....train of
imagery.......it is snowing like shit...where i live now...and
i had...these plans you know....of cycling up the mountain
i see in front me.....so a little word combat....is another
way of getting what i need....a mind workout...and miss
moocow....was on another train...of toughts...doe it don't
matter.....as i tought...my blurp....of some signifigance to
me......o.k. girls

[scace]

A sincerely hope that as film continues to evolve, there will be less and less 'street' language and bloodshed. We would have a much more healthy society if male nudity became more common place than slash and gore.

[Jim H]

Just stating that when I read them, it feels like there's a pause after every few words... like the guy in MITM.

I used to say it reminded me of William Shatner. That's not meant as an insult, I just think its funny.

I will say that I'm not really FOND of the various people who write in way different ways.. l337 sp33k, no capitals, ALL CAPS, for instance. But you, zsofika, make good enough posts with enough interesting stuff and good points that I'm more then willing to put up with it. :D

Don't think I will EVER be able to say that about people who write in all caps though. It hurts my eyes.

A sincerely hope that as film continues to evolve, there will be less and less 'street' language and bloodshed. We would have a much more healthy society if male nudity became more common place than slash and gore.

That is true, but it's more because film is a mirror of society, not the other way around. I always find how much parents protect their children from nudity and sex to be totally laughable, especially since they usually let them see violence.

I work in a video game store.. It's happened lots of times where they'll ask me if X game is OK for their 10 year old. I'll say it is very bloody and violent and gory. They'll say "no sex?" and I'll say no. So they buy it. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying some younger kids can't handle violent games (I was playing Rise of the Triad, the first game to get the PC rating equivalent of an M, when I was like 10) but to think violence is fine and sex is bad is just stupid.

[scace]

You would think that after all the actual examples of mass public school murders, unreported cases of bully's, etc., Baby Boomer parents would get the hint. I have no idea how we can de-Puritanicalize US Society. Perhaps as the hot blooded Hispanic influences continue to increase in American Culture, Films like Y Tu Mama Tambien will become the rule, and not the exception. Abolish the MPAA!

[Jim H]

I have no idea how we can de-Puritanicalize US Society

It'll happen eventually. It was already starting to happen somewhat, then the Victorian age hit. We're still living in its shell. We'll get out in the next few generations I think.

[scace]

I wish I did have some hope, but since the last Presidential Election, I feel such dispare. I can't imagine a worse US Attrny Gen. than Ashcroft. There just doesn't seem to be anyone too interesting to cause any type of progressive change. I just hope those Nader people are pleased with themselves. It's all their fault :mad:

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by zsofika
ms. bubbastrangelove...miss bake the moo cow...ain't
got a rise out of me.....i found it my duty.....my heartfelt
respond...ability....to help her expand on her.....train of
imagery.......it is snowing like shit...where i live now...and
i had...these plans you know....of cycling up the mountain
i see in front me.....so a little word combat....is another
way of getting what i need....a mind workout...and miss
moocow....was on another train...of toughts...doe it don't
matter.....as i tought...my blurp....of some signifigance to
me......o.k. girls


Your response is to call me a girl?

when...bubba doesn't attack...bubba brings loving and fun...not in that order....instead is greeted with defensive, evasive actions.... a little laugh becomes sticks and stones... an excuse to verbally flex.... get a life indeed... chris elliot never yelled at me for laughing at him...gary shandling...how's my hair?.... zsofika's gone from mildly amusing to intentionally insulting....what does the sex of a person have to do with it...should have just reported for calling people retarded...instead...fun and loving... pick a battle...Yoda....Frodo... Leprichan... maybe more like the kid from Malcolm.... momma, I brought a girl home.

Cool game.

[Jim H]

I can't imagine a worse US Attrny Gen. than Ashcroft.

You're right. I'm ashamed to be living in the state where he was once Governor (Missouri). He's a guy who should be in jail or the nuthouse, not shaping our countrys future. I didn't particularly likle Janet Reno, but even she was 100x better then him.

Btw, the correct spelling is "Asscroft" ;)

[scace]

Originally posted by Jim H
You're right. I'm ashamed to be living in the state where he was once Governor (Missouri). He's a guy who should be in jail or the nuthouse, not shaping our countrys future. I didn't particularly likle Janet Reno, but even she was 100x better then him.

Btw, the correct spelling is "Asscroft" ;)

Jim,
I couldn't agree with you more. But then, I never thought in my lifetime, while teaching high school US Government I would see the day that a President would be impeached. Then to compound the lunacy, Asscroft can't even beat a dead man! Yet Bush puts him in such a imposing position:confused:
Take Care!

[Jim H]

Then to compound the lunacy, Asscroft can't even beat a dead man!

I'm not sure I know what you're refering to. Care to explain?

[zsofika]

mr bubbastrangelove....i plead not quilty....didn't know you were
a man...haven't been on the channel long enough to know
that....i also have been confused with being called a man..
i sort of felt honoured...to be mistaken as a man....man...
woman...girl...boy...are not all....gestures...or attitudes of
spirit...contained within....the self....i was only play with
attitudes in a satrical fashion...have lots of dialogues on
this channel like that...don't take it personal...us as the
actors also.....loved the picture...in my soul i am a little
black boy....looking for strange love.......

[scace]

Originally posted by Jim H
I'm not sure I know what you're refering to. Care to explain?

Didn't an election occur where the wife of a Sen. who died in an airplane was used as a replacement for the late Sen. name which was already printed on the ballot about 7 years ago???

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by zsofika
mr bubbastrangelove....i plead not quilty....didn't know you were
a man...haven't been on the channel long enough to know
that....i also have been confused with being called a man..
i sort of felt honoured...to be mistaken as a man....man...
woman...girl...boy...are not all....gestures...or attitudes of
spirit...contained within....the self....i was only play with
attitudes in a satrical fashion...have lots of dialogues on
this channel like that...don't take it personal...us as the
actors also.....loved the picture...in my soul i am a little
black boy....looking for strange love.......





________Hey!
______Very cool
____A girl i thought
__Little to do with posts
Maybe an obsession with..
__Ralph Finnes and now
____little black boys
______Coleman
_______Uh-oh

[BakeTheMooCow]

I got called....a girl too....not for the first time....maybe this means something....

[zsofika]

thanks...i also find you a stimulating read.

[Jim H]

Scace - oh yes. I remember that. Vaguely though, I wasn't watching it too closely.

[zsofika]

talking about the victorian age...is it any wonder that..in quite
a few cases of serial killers..of women...who by the way..have
one thing in common...very very tidy...most have victorian
moms...no kidding....at least fairly...stern...religion..and un
affectionate...have some friends in criminology at the university.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Many seriel killers claim they only wanted to kill one person, but couldn't be fullfilled by just any one person. So they go around killing, and killing, looking for fullfillment, but it's really just one person they want to kill.

[Jim H]

Serial killers... The birth of the modern day serial killer, as far as I can tell, was in the Victorian age. Jack the Ripper for instance.

Screwed up time.



On a totally non-related note, can anyone name any FEMALE serial killers of that era? Just curious if there are any. I don't think black widows count for that.

[zsofika]

strange you should ask...i am writing a play on a nurse serial
killer...in terms of women...highest number of serial killers is in
the nursing profession....as far as my research has shown...
high emotional burnout field...some empathy for the suffering..
etc...and then there is the serial killer...who just nags their
victims..to death...or bores...as leonard cohen sings...you
sentenced me to 20 years of boredom....not murder of the
body....but hell murder of the spirit....meet them all the time...
men and women....

[zsofika]

a good insight to this ...affair of the heart rap....is a book called..
women who love men who get depressed...forget the writer...
very informative....on the acceptance emotionally of the woman..
in a society....where men are forced to sublimate...often...fine..is
your are an artist or thinker....but raw emotions forced in...can
only really be a sithing source...of violence...to one self...thru..
obsession...denial...or externally thru...abusive relationships..etc..
i think movie like the dead poets society...etc...speak of this.overt
tittalation...without emotional development...can cause depression...as i have seen in my work...

[Jim H]

Oh yeah, the Nurse "angels of death". I've heard of them, totally forgot about that. That goes back to the 30s, maybe earlier, right?

[scace]

Inquiring minds want to know. Ralph Fiennes' Dolarhyde in Red Dragon doesn't count for much... ;)

[zsofika]

the tensile of my cogitation in male nudity, synedoche of
anaphoria repartee....in my snuggery my frieze...commutates
the umbrage of my senescent...unobsequiously...

[Ed]

hahaha, funny topic.

i think criticalbill gets headaches from male genitalia because we aren't acostumed(is that a word?) to see that, i mean, we don't see cocks on screen that much, so when we see one, we see it big and in-your-face and it gets alot of attention when it really shouldn't, i'd say society and THE FUCKING MPAA(i hate those motherfuckers) and all the rest of the censors did this. i know a few ppl like bill but i really don't give a fuck.