Since when does Horror have to involve HORRIBLE (AND REAL) things?

[Weezer Ash]

I am disgusted.

I recently linked up my site (for the sake of everyone here and izombie i wont post it again PM me if you want the linK) to the Horror 100. Which for those who dont know is a list of the 100 (and beyond) best horror sites on the net. I joined filled out some forms and linked it up to my sites main page...

I voted for myself :cool: and was then taken to the actual top 100 sites. At the time arrow reigned suprme and was in 1st! :p But then i saw the rest of the top 10...

Crucified women? Snuff? Female death? S+M? Jesus come on. Is this horror or just a bunch of sick guys looking for a cheap way to get around sex. This is horrible. Bodybags? Realistic slit throats and stabbings!?

I didn't get the memo, since when does horror movies have to do with people being tortured beatean and raped? I mean can't it just be about the movies? This is to the point of unlookable, especially a site like cannibal media. This is gross, and every list ive looked at has involved sites like these. And their all in the top 10!

EXCUSE ME, but since when does anyone find death, and horrible beatings even remotley funny or pleasurable? Do you people like this stuff? This is sick. Im not going to stop liking horror flicks over this little bump in the road, but god damn I look at horror movie fans different now. I dont understand how these sites are among the best on the net...some even beating out upcominghorrormovies.com and the man himself Arrow. Aren't we looking for horror movies, not horrible things...come on people.

I still love horror movies dont get me wrong. Its just since when does our love for movies like Army of Darkness, or The Ring have to involve brutally realistic torture and beatings?

Leave me some feedback on what you think...and dont worry I know everyone has an opionon on these kind of things...


Rock On Weezer

d r e =w=




----edit: Myself, I am only 13 but im old enough to realize whats wrong, whats right and what the hell is inhumane...and these websites are just that. GUT WRENCHING.

The link to the horror 100= http://www.topsitelists.com/bestsites/horror/topsites.html

[doggyboyuk]

Well me myself I watch horror films to break from the reality of normal life I don't wanna see somebody actually in pain unless its by one of my favourite movie characters :) , which in a way is fine because its not real and some kills are lets face it quite comical. I think this is a rather important and untouched issue. Mainly because not many people would really want to openly talk about if they actually enjoyed such things. We SHOULD I would hope, know all these such things are morally wrong and "real" acts of pain and other acts isn't acceptable to enjoy or other sick acts I think if you do, you should take a step back and have a good think what you are watching and enjoying. Normally I would normally have the attitude of "what ever floats your boat" but I think I would find it quite hard to agree with such issues. Thats all I really have to say at the moment but I will add more to this topic as it grows. Some people may however not want to touch on this. Obviously no offence too people who like that sort of stuff you can watch what you want I’m not telling you not to I just don't agree with it. Everybody who reads this topic should voice an opinion because I am interested what other people’s views are.

[Lord Crumb]

Weezer,
Based on what I've seen here, there aren't too many shmoes who are into "snuff" and the kinds of websites that you described. I used to have a website that was on the HORROR 100 about 4 years ago, and there sure wasn't anything like that when I was on. What load of shit.
BUT- The reason those sick sites are high on the list IS because, like many porn/hacker sites, they trick or FORCE people into voting for their site. They claim that the visitor will have access to whatever it is they want to see (ie: porn, warez, etc), and all they have to do is click "THIS BUTTON". They do that, and bang...suddenly they've voted for some site they don't even know about! When it comes to underground material, popup windows and false promises reign supreme. Don't be fooled into thinking that the majority of horror fans want to see this. I seriously doubt they do. I for one, sure don't like that shit, and if I were running the HORROR 100, I'd SERIOUSLY reconsider what I allow on there.

[Jason Voorhees]

Crumb is right. We've had numerous debates regarding the merits of such sites and videos (Won't name them here, but you probably know which sites I'm referring to in particular, and what video series'), and almost everyone felt more or less the same way you do, Ash.

I've stated myself on this topic many times, so I'll reiterate briefly: The stuff sickens me. This callous disregard of human life is honestly stomach-turning. Yet banning it, in my opinion, would be almost just as wrong. Regulating or eliminating the things people enjoy in the name of morality is wrong. Morality is an arbitrary matter, the ability to make our own moral decisions is a true privilege and our greatest freedom. And I exercise that freedom by not visiting these snuff sites, and voicing my negative opinion of them.

[Weezer Ash]

Yeah Lord Crumb, I had an idea of that. I know but even so...wouldn't the mod of the Horror 100 get rid of them? I think that guy enjoys that sick shit as much as anyone else sadly. If you would like a link to the horror 100 to see what i am talking about it is in the 1st post... (or will be soon!). I think if you would like to understand why im so antsy on this topic go there.


But Crumb, and Voorhees...Why are they even on the Horror 100? Like I said shouldn't the mod delete them? They should be on the sick and twisted guys who cant get girlfriends 100.

Myself, I am only 13 but im old enough to realize whats wrong, whats right and what the hell is inhumane...and these websites are just that. GUT WRENCHING.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Weezer Ash
Im not going to stop liking horror flicks over this little bump in the road, but god damn I look at horror movie fans different now.

As Crumb pointed out, that list doesn't depict the general consensus of genre fans. Obviously, there are people out there who take pride in viewing actual atrocities; otherwise, those sites wouldn't exist in the first place. But it isn't fair to assume that the majority of horror freaks frequent those sites. 99.7% of us don't. So, please don't frown upon your fellow gorehounds for committing acts of depravity that we didn't commit.

[Jewbo]

all i can say is its cool arrow is beating all those webshites without usin dirty tricks.

[Fettdog]

Quality wins out in the end, Jewbo, every time! I've never seen another site that even comes close to being as good as our site here, which is why I dig hanging out here so much! :)

[Weezer Ash]

Yeah, Arrow rocks the house! How is fucking scarymovies.com beating Arrow that place sucks!!


Anyway back to the discussion please...:rolleyes:

[Weezer Ash]

bump!! :confused:

[Toxferatu]

since when does a select few mean everyone does it?

some metalheads do drugs and kill themselves, i'm a metalhead and i've never touched drugs and i havent killed myself. jsut another unfair generalization.

and who says its horror fans looking at those sites anyway? nothing proves it.

people say horror fans kill people. do we kill people? no, so why beleive that site? nothing proves its horror fans looking at those sites. it just proves that thier probably being paid to feature those sites on there, nothing more.


and i'll guaruntee you at least 8 out of 10 horror fans never look at anything like that. i dont.

so dont be unfair to horror fans by gereralizing them like that.

[AlienClown]

Originally posted by Weezer Ash
They should be on the sick and twisted guys who cant get girlfriends 100.

But also, don't be unfair to all those 'sick' and 'twisted' guys out there who DO have female relations. What you said is an assumed generalization. There are plenty of people in this world, men and women, who have what the majority would deem morbid interests, but such interests don't necessarily mean at all that they're automatically single. I think there is a certain audience that likes both horror fiction and genuinely horrific stuff like the type of pictures those sites have, there's nothing wrong with being offended by such material and condemning it, but you shouldn't judge the people who do check out those sites as all being any one thing, or suggesting that the horror film audience and real torture audience completely overlap. Personally I do not patronize such sites, and I maintain the impression that there are few, if any posters here that do.

[Jason13thh]

Real things ? Do mean like Face Of Death ?
Horror is not just about graphic murders u know.
I like the psycholgical thriller,too.
One of my favorite slasher/psychological thriller is The Hitcher and u don't see nothing graphic ( just the finger - scene ) but the atmosphere is so dark, so somber that it is effective.
Abre Los Ojos was also very great and it was not graphic at all.
The Nameless, Funny Games, Henry, The Ugly ( more graphic this - one I know ) etc ... these movies are truely horrific.
However I don't laugh when I watch a Fulci film or an Argento film.

[radikill]

As I told my wife a few days ago, when she asked why I don't stay in the room when she watches her Lifetime network battered wife/disease-of-the-week movies:

"My number one criterion for enjoying a movie is that it must have NO basis in actual fact whatsoever."

That's why I enjoy most horror flicks. They're not realistic, but rather a romanticized vision of "what if". I don't want to know what a slit throat really looks like. I don't want to know what a head crushed under the wheel of a car really looks like. I don't want to know what the cries of a person being skinned allive really sound like. But when a horror movie takes me into its parallel "what if" universe, I think it's fun to see how the directors and fx wizards convey these scenes.

Don't get me wrong. I also enjoy dramatic and psychological horror. But I guess my main point is that I don't want to see movies ripped from yesterday's headlines. I already read the newspaper and I don't want to get even more depressed seeing that shit acted out. That's why I not only refuse to watch those Lifetime flicks, but I also avoid "horror" flicks like Dahmer and Ed Gein.

To me, horror is escapism pure and simple. And those sites that post realistic (or worse - REAL) pictures of death and mutilation are utterly disgusting.

[Toxferatu]

but movies like psycho and texas chainsaw massecre are ok?

see, if your gonna refuse to watch movies that are based on kilers. why makes it ok to watch movies inspired by real killers? in the end, whats the difference? sure its not the same story, but if not for ed gein, we wouldnt have psycho or TCM. now i realize that its not the true ed gein story, but it was him that inspired those movies, you cant deny that. but i do agree with you now, i watched ed gein and dahmer and felt pretty terrible afterwards, so i'm not gonna watch ted bundy or any other movie made directly about a serial killer.


and those lifetime movies make me want to puke. my mom flipping through the channels and there was this movie on about a dad raping his stepdaughter. she watches it for a while and they show the dad raping the daughter, i told her this is sick and movies like this shouldnt be made. the little girl probably will need therapy because she was put through making a movie like that. i got up and left, we got to talking about that later on after she changed the channel. she ended up changing the channel cause she didnt wanna see it either after thinking about what i said.

that little girl in that movie was far too young to have to learn about rape, yet alone to have to be put through a simulated rape scene. its just disgusting.

[Boogeyman]

I dont agree with any of those sites. I think theyre disgusting and I hate that people associate horror with sick, twisted stuff. just because I like horror, doesnt mean I like sick dimented stuff.

later

[Jewbo]

ill admit i have a morbid faisination (sp) with that kinda stuff. i own a traces of death vid coz i heard about it and ahd to see what it was like. i sumtimes have a peek at rotton.com. this doesnt make me sick and i have a girlfriend. and im not in the slightest bit violent or rude. im overly shy infact and have never even had a proper fight in my life i tend to get on with ppl i dont even like. i dont agree with the real stuff like traces of death (faces is mostly fake) and i made sure i got a copy and didnt line the pockets of the sick ppl makin money from ppls misies but i did watch it.
horror is always gonna win tho coz it allows u 2 see that kinda stuff and distance urself from it and reality.

[radikill]

Originally posted by Toxferatu
but movies like psycho and texas chainsaw massecre are ok?


Yep.

Because while those films may be based on true events, they don't try to realistically re-enact events that actually happened. They take a seedling of truth and branch it off into an alternate reality. The way a movie director forges this alternate reality - and the way the actors interpret the direction to create characters that fit in that world - are what really get me off.

Guess that's why I don't care for documentaries much either. :D

[Weezer Ash]

Yeah...

whats up with all the new serial killer movies? dahmer, ed gein, bundy...i think they are all movies that shouldnt have been made. i mean movies based on untrue events are sometimes disturbing enough (last house on the left) but ones based on true events? yikes...:rolleyes:

[Jewbo]

i dont see a problem with films being made on true event. i mean books have bee writtn about the events telling what happened it great detail. im sure the films aint telling everything as it happens. but then maybe thats a bad thing the fact the makers are adding bits in. maybe if ur gonna make a film about summin that has happened it should be 100%.

[Weezer Ash]

much needed bump

[Odd Emu]

Snuff disgust me. I don't care if people watch it, as long as they don't talk about it/make me watch it/trick me into seeing it or any of that crap, if they do they will make me unleash my fury.