Trainspotting and Requiem for a Dream

[EdibleCannibalX]

I own requiem (my mom likes it!) but aint allowed to see trainspotting, so my question is is this logical and which one is more explicit?

[MrBlack]

Now do you mean, sickening gore and drug wise? Or Pyschologically? (like you get depressed watching it, knowing that humanity can get this low)

[EdibleCannibalX]

both

[Mr. Orange]

Well....Requiem kind of gives you that "Don't-do-drugs-cuz-they-fuck-you-up-for-life-message". I guess Trainspotting does too but not as much.

I would say that Requiem is much more disturbing and explicit, sex wise, but trainspotting has a few scenes that don't hold much back.

I don't know. Like if I were a parent I would definately show my kids Requiem For a Dream. But I don't know if I would show them Trainspotting...

[MrBlack]

Trainspotting makes the same statement as reqium in a way, but it makes it too 'hip'. Although it is very surreal and eerie, it just doesnt have the impactfulness of Reqium. Transpotting is just sick sometimes.

Reqium-- has some really really really really nasty shit in it, but it is more horrifying than *wow I just saw some gore or T&A*

Trainspotting-- is on par with reqium in most ways, so I guess if your mother liked reqium... see it. It might not be what you expected, but give it a try I guess.

[BadCoverVersion]

TRAINSPOTTING is a superb Movie...One of my all-time favourites!

RFOD also places in my all-time top 20.

They're completely different mind you, TRAINSPOTTING is extremely funny in parts and very quotable indeed. It has it's bleak moments and it can be slightly distressing in parts...but it doesn't even come close to the last 20 minutes of RFAD. That isn't a negative thing mind, I love the fact that TRAINSPOTTING can make you smile! You are presented with 5 or 6 unique individuals, all vice-ridden and pretty fucking hateable...none more so than the BRILLIANT "Francis Begbie" (a cunt of the highest order)...and you wind up empathising with the bastards.

It's witty, original and the cast is just excellent. It DOES NOT glamorise heroin, despite the trendy music and the oh-so-slick opening sequence! It IS disturbing and raucously FUNNY in equal measure. There is LIMITED male and female nudity and the language is quite STRONG. It is an educational enlightening flick...but it's certainly not for the faint at heart. Saying that...I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to watch TRAINSPOTTING, it's almost tame in comparison with RFAD. I'd recommend TRAINSPOTTING to any self-respecting MOVIE-LOVER!

10/10

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by EdibleCannibalX
I own requiem (my mom likes it!) but aint allowed to see trainspotting, so my question is is this logical and which one is more explicit?

There is no logic when it comes to movie taste. You like it or you don't.

Has your mom SEEN Trainspotting? If so, then it does strike me as curious that she would champion one and forbid the other.

If she can handle the dildo-ass-rape-while-surrounded-by-sweaty-scumbags scene between two prostitutes, then it seems like she'd be able to handle almost anything.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
If she can handle the dildo-ass-rape-while-surrounded-by-sweaty-scumbags scene between two prostitutes, then it seems like she'd be able to handle almost anything.

I have to agree with you Beeble. I have see both films, and I enjoy both of them very much. But Requiem is worse when it comes to sex and drug use. I just don't understand why she let's you see Requiem and not Trainspotting. I'm wondering if she's even seen it, because if she has, then I would think she would see the differences between both films.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
It DOES NOT glamorise heroin, despite the trendy music and the oh-so-slick opening sequence!

Tell me, BCV, how many people who think that have you had to smack upside the head? Literally or figuratively, or both? It's quite a long list for me.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Tell me, BCV, how many people who think that have you had to smack upside the head? Literally or figuratively, or both? It's quite a long list for me.

I've been verbally twatting ill-informed moviegoers since the fucking thing was released!

One sound-bite...ONE friggin' soundbite...

"Take the best orgasm you've ever had, multiply by 1000, and you're still nowhere near it..."

THAT particular quote prompted everybody and their mother to condemn the bugger! Why I ask you??? Because the film is not banal preachy propaganda, the content is often humorous and lo and behold...we are not led to believe that all heroin addicts are idiotic scum!

"People think it's all about misery and desperation and death and all that shit which is not to be ignored, but what they forget is the pleasure of it. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. After all, we're not fucking stupid. At least, we're not that fucking stupid..."

In effect, we are actually presented with an UNBIASED movie, NICE ONE...it makes a fucking refreshing change!

[Reigh Kaufman]

A debate I once had with my Course Leader:

He reckoned that Trainspotting wasa dangerous movie because it a) refused to condemn the characters b) did not show the downside of drug abuse and c) allowed the main protagonist to escape relatively unscathed...

I argued that a) there is no need to condemn characters for taking drugs and the lifestyle that leads to -- we're not perfect as a society and there will always be the weak, the wounded or the disenfranchised. Who are we to judge? b) it most certainly did show the downside of drugs. Did you not see the AIDS, the cot-death, the squalor, the misery and the desperation? c) Renton does not ESCAPE anything. He loses. He says it frequently in the film 'Why would i want to do that? I chose not to choose life' and 'society...I certainly had fuck all to do with it' etc, but at the end he marches towards us, embracing the accepteable facets of modern living i.e 'getting by till the day you die' - something that he has shirked from his whole life, but now has no choice but to return to...That's his punishment.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Reigh Kaufman
A debate I once had with my Course Leader:

He reckoned that Trainspotting wasa dangerous movie because it a) refused to condemn the characters b) did not show the downside of drug abuse and c) allowed the main protagonist to escape relatively unscathed...

I argued that a) there is no need to condemn characters for taking drugs and the lifestyle that leads to -- we're not perfect as a society and there will always be the weak, the wounded or the disenfranchised. Who are we to judge? b) it most certainly did show the downside of drugs. Did you not see the AIDS, the cot-death, the squalor, the misery and the desperation? c) Renton does not ESCAPE anything. He loses. He says it frequently in the film 'Why would i want to do that? I chose not to choose life' and 'society...I certainly had fuck all to do with it' etc, but at the end he marches towards us, embracing the accepteable facets of modern living i.e 'getting by till the day you die' - something that he has shirked from his whole life, but now has no choice but to return to...That's his punishment.

I've got to agree with your every word Reigh...

I can't say I find toxoplasmosis, HIV, suppositories, cot-death and prostitution all that GLAM meself! Although, I am fully aware that heroin is actually rather enjoyable...to say the least. You're a complete and utter fucking idiot if you think drug-addiction is solely about misery, disease, poverty and pain. Trainspotting is FICTIONAL..Remember, JUST SAY NO kids!

I totally see what you're saying about RENTON choosing life, embracing modern living and the banality of society. Now that's a punishment in itself...but he has lost a huge amount along the way, he has pissed his existence up the wall...he has fucked his "friends" over. In the end he "chooses life", but that doesn't necessarily mean that he escapes unscathed. Surely we don't have to see his untimely demise in order to feel that "justice has been done"...Oooooh, he's a junkie...and he's seen the error of his ways...LOOK, he's walking off and everything...THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS!

Hmmm...Is this making any sense AT ALL??? I'm confusing myself folks...I can't even remember my original point. Hmmm, just...you know....watch it and stuff!

[JCR]

In the context of Trainspotting I don't think you can say if what renton does in the end is winning or losing, because you don't see what happens to him next, and I don't even think it's about winning or losing. It's about moving on. Renton does not know if he's won or lost, and the viewer does not know if he does"choose life"

Of course if you include porno into the equation there's no doubt about it- renton wins (it's a bit strange that he wins again actually-although porno is more about sick boy and not renton so much- and I doubt they'll make it into a movie as they'd have to find a way of getting round showing all the, well, porno)


Anyway I agree with all the comments made about trainspottings views on drugs and I personally found Rfad much more disturbing than trainspotting, to answer the 1st question.

[mr_eff]

Of course if you include porno into the equation there's no doubt about it- renton wins (it's a bit strange that he wins again actually-although porno is more about sick boy and not renton so much- and I doubt they'll make it into a movie as they'd have to find a way of getting round showing all the, well, porno)


According to what I have heard, it is very likely that the Porno will be made into a movie... Everyone involved in the making of Trainspotting seems interested in this.

[Reigh Kaufman]

Strangely enough I finished Porno last night...and then I read a book by Irvine Welsh (boom-boom). No, I finished Porno last night and think it would be best left alone. That said, it could work....


And the last scene...


SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK 'PORNO' (SEQUEL TO TRAINSPOTTING)
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Where Begbie wakes from his coma...could be terrifying. Renton better watch out.

[silentasylum]

i think people can misinterpret trainspotting easier than requiem for a dream.

[JCR]

Where Begbie wakes from his coma...could be terrifying. Renton better watch out.

Yeah, that was one of several problems I had with it, it ends on a cliffhanger so I would assume Welsh is expecting us to shell out another tenner to read the full conclusion sometime in the future. I still say porno is unfilmable at least not with out making some major changes.