Star Trek: Nemesis - Thoughts and Reviews

[dh1989]

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Plot: The cast of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" returns on a diplomatic mission to initiate peace with the Romulans. But upon arrival to the alien planet, the crew is faced with a threat that could lead to the Earth's destruction, and Picard meets his most dangerous adversary yet, a surprisingly personal nemesis.

I really want to see this film, and I know nothing about Star Trek. I would not know a Romulan if I tripped over one, but the trailer looks kick-ass. Tons of action, chases, suspense, mystery, and effects. I believe it might just be a fun sci-fi film, and I will most likely check it out. What do you schmoes think of this one?

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[Jason]

I agree, I'm normally not a big fan of Star Trek yet this movie looks like action-packed fun. The special effects look very good as well. I really want to check this one out in December.

[sleekproductions]

I also agree. I have only seen Star Trek: First Contact which was pretty good, but this one looks great.

[Mega-Prime]

I love Star Trek & am counting the days until the release. :D

I've actually been keeping away from any spoiler sites on this movie this time... I don't want to ruin it.

Can't wait!

[Nate6]

I'm not a big fan of the series but the Trek films are always enjoyable. I'll definitely be seeing Nemesis, the trailer looks great even if the poster sucks!

[blankpage]

I am not a Star Trek fan. I didn't like the last Trek film, but this one looks like good 'ol Holiday fun. So I wil be checking it out.

Plus Stewart is in it, so how can I pass?

[Tom Samborski]

The Star-Trek movie series has grown on me, and I'd definetly see this one during the holiday break.

[idealdiscountdude]

Ideal will AVOID at all costs!

I really dislike the Star Trek series.

[ClarkGriswald]

I used to be a huge Trekkie. I loved "The Next Generation" and "Deep Space Nine" but I grew out of it. I loved FIRST CONTACT and INSURRECTION was decent, but this new one looks freaking awesome. With John Logan and Stuart Baird behind this one, it'll do mighty fine I hope. Sadly I read 40 minutes of the movie has been cut. :( I'll still see it anyway, looks like a fun flick for the last adventure of the TNG crew.

[idealdiscountdude]

Bump

[dannywalker17]

I am a big Trek fan all around, although I don't care for the latest series, Enterprise. I loved Voyager though and I have liked the last few films alot, especially Generations. Nemesis looks really good and I will definetely see it.

[XCoRyX]

i never have enjoyed one bit of any star trek at all..besides how cool quark looked...but thats besides the point,i found the series boring and overrated...but i will state the fact that i believe this looks pretty damn good....just dont know if i wanna chance money on it :(

[idealdiscountdude]

I have seen a crapload of advertising for this flick, nearly as much as for Maid In Manhattan! And that's alot!

[The Claw]

I dont like star trek or its films and only one of the trek films ever intrested me and that was part 2

so i'm not going to see it. im not a great fan of sci fi either. eh

[free]

STAR TREK RULES!!!!.....that being said.....i hope that this film follows the trend of evened numbered trek films. Somebody said that Star Trek has made too many movies and needs to stop. I thought to myself, damn aren't there like 20 James "crap" Bond films out there.



AND IDEAL, come on man, Embrace the love of Trek!

[XCoRyX]

man there have been so many ads for this on tv and outside on buses and such...its insane.

[Nate6]

Paramount spent $75 million on this film, the many advertisements are there to make sure it takes in at least $100 million.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Yeah, this film does look pretty good. And I've never watched a Star Trek show/movie. I'll probably see it in theaters, with my dad. He likes the show.

[Strider]

I'm not a Trekkie, but I am a fan of the movies. Therefore, I will be checking out Star Trek: Nemesis. It looks pretty damn good, if you ask me. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Strider

[free]

ONLY FOUR DAY AWAY...WOOHOO.... I think i may just have to change my avatar... Does anyone really think that this will be the last Star Trek??? They left themselves open for a sequal by saying that this was the beginning of the end of a generation...can we say Nemesis II???

[Mike]

I don't watch the show, I've never seen any of the movies, and I couldn't be less interested in this flick. Needless to say, I will never see this movie, or any of the other Star Trek movies.

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by free

AND IDEAL, come on man, Embrace the love of Trek!

LOL......I have never been really interested in "space-sagas" films or what have you. I don't even really care for the Star Wars series!

With that said I think I should go hide under by bed before I get toasted by a Jedi Light Saber.....

[XCoRyX]

your not the only one ideal...so knowing is half the battle,now with THAT said,i'll back you up if lightsabers come our way.

[Mike]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
LOL......I have never been really interested in "space-sagas" films or what have you. I don't even really care for the Star Wars series!

With that said I think I should go hide under by bed before I get toasted by a Jedi Light Saber.....

I'm not interested in them either. I saw a little bit of the first Star Wars movie though, but none of the other ones and I don't think I ever will. They just aren't my thing.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
With that said I think I should go hide under by bed before I get toasted by a Jedi Light Saber.....

Ah, but I have the force, and I know exactly where you are! Muhahahaha. dh1989 activates Lightsaber. Just Kidding, ideal. :)

Anywho, this film is very close. The TV spots are very exciting. And look at some of these awesome IMDB photos....

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And here is the excellent poster....

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Friday the 13th(I wonder why Jason X was not released this weekend, well actually I am glad that crappy flick is just a memory) is going to be amazing this year.

[Mike]

The only space movie I really enjoyed was JASON X, now that's one classy flick ;).

[free]

i heard something about that but......







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The way i heard it was he accepted a promotion to Captain and went to another ship, taking Troi with him..... oh well guess i was wrong

[dh1989]

CountingDown.Com has released some great clips from Star Trek: Nemesis! Some are dramatic sequences, others are full-blown action clips. The link is: http://www.countingdown.com/theater/trailers_clips/detail/2694278

[bluegopher]

Originally posted by Mike
I don't watch the show, I've never seen any of the movies, and I couldn't be less interested in this flick. Needless to say, I will never see this movie, or any of the other Star Trek movies.

I also couldn't care less about the new Star Trek even though I find Patrick Stewart to be a perfectly respectable actor. Mike, our tastes must be kind of similar in that we both couldn't care less about both of the franchise films being released this month (Lotr: The Two Towers and Nemesis).

[free]

Dammit to hell...Dammit to hell.



I just read some reviews on IMDB and all was going well. The reviews with Spoilers on them said so at the top, and i would skip those. Well i come to one and it says NOTHING about a spoiler. So i read and in about the second to last paragraph, it hit me like a photon torpedo.... i always way distance my spoilers, even my trivial spoilers, with





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and post them way down here. Well this one says [SPOILER WARNING]blah blah. right after it. right beside it. like it was part of the same word with no break or even space before it. one sentence consisting of two words will ruin my time at the movies. Cause that is what i will be thinking about the whole time. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT.

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by Mike
The only space movie I really enjoyed was JASON X, now that's one classy flick ;).

wow,i am realizing the same is true with me...and maybe 1 or 2 here,but nothing big...i was a big fan of the space film Arena as a kid,but thats about it...but like i said,ST:Nemesis looks like an exceptionally awesome flick.

[Scarface98.9]

I've never been a fan of Star Trek and even though it looks like there's gonna be good effects, I don't think this'll interest me at all.

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I could make a very crude joke right now, but I'll let someone else do it, if they want

[criddic2]

I have liked most of the Trek films. The ones I did not like were Final Frontier (1989) and Insurrection (1998), both odd numbered entries. If the tradition holds for this last "Next Generation" adventure, it should be a good time. It's been four years since the disappointing "Insurrection," so I'm looking forward to this one.

It opens tomorrow and I'm gonna see it Sunday. So keep your fingers crossed.

[darkface]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9

I could make a very crude joke right now, but I'll let someone else do it, if they want

I feel a *Scary Movie* moment- (Dick in the ear)

ah- i know what your saying, but hey that's the best i could do at the time :p


As for the movie, i'm not a trekie (<spell check) either, but this actually doesn't look too bad. And sounds pretty good from reviews. But i'll wait to hear what some schmoes say before seeing this because i already have others to see before this, plus i gotta save money for the x-mas movies to come out!

[snootch]

trekkie or not...i have a feeling that nemesis is going to be very entertaining. a friend of mine was lucky enough to see it earlier this week and he said that the battle scene was very cool and that the sfx made the movie! also, being a fan of TOS and especially TROK, the rumors that Nemesis has some Wrath-like moments in it really gets me fired up to see it! only a couple more hours... :D

[dh1989]

BUMP!

I hope this has some Wrath-line moments. "Revenge is best served cold. And space is very cold!". I love that line. :)

[vastlynne]

I've heard of the Star Trek series for quite some time now and i've even watched couple of episodes now and again but never fully embraced the whole frachise. It seems like most of us here in this thread aren't avid fans but still want to check it out.

Anyhoo, how 'bout that baddie, Tom Hardy is it?
You know..the one who's getting a head massage by the alien dude. Damn he looks good bald. Is his characters name Shinoz?
I'm def. going to check HIM out! :cool:

[biff_debris]

Gonna go see it TOMORROW. Dunno tho -- read a review of it in the paper today, which said it was REALLY BAD. But I am a fan (even of Deep Space Nine, but couldn't get into Voyager), so it'll still be a kick to see it even if it stinks =)

Besides, it's not like I haven't ever sat through a bad ST movie before ;)

[TheMovieMinor]

Got to see Star Trek: Nemesis tonight. My buddies almost walked out because they thought it sucked. Well I sort of agree. I liked the past Star Trek films, but this one I was bored. I almost fell asleep the first hour, but then the action got cooler, but the action kind of stayed at a same scene for a while. A bit to boring, but I think it would be cool to be on the ship. Some sad moments, but you know films.

6/10

[dh1989]

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Rating: 5.5/10

I was very excited for this film, and I felt very let down walking out. First, here are my thoughts on the Star Trek saga. I am a casual fan of the films. Some of them are 8/10's, and some of them are 3/10's. I don't care about the series, and I've never watched a single episode, except one Deep Space Nine episode, which bored me. Now to the film at hand. The movie lacks energy. The trailers did not convey this. They looked tense, and energetic, but after seeing the film I was bored to death in some parts. The first part of the film sucks. The opening sequence is a bore with effects worst than The Scorpion King's Red Ant attack sequence. Then we cut to a wedding between Riker and Deanna Troi. This scene was incredibly corny with dumb marriage jokes, a stupid Whoopi Goldberg cameo, and Data(who is sickening to look at since they drown him in ugly grease paint) singing an ugly song(was that supposed to make me laugh?). After that we go to space, and the bores continue. Too much endless Romulan politics that are completely uninvolving. The movie is pretty much a complete bore, spare a few of the action sequences which were exciting, and featured great effects from Digital Domain. The shuttle designs are wonderful. Now to the film's main weakness.... the acting. The main crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise look bored. They wander through the film saying their lines, but you'll never notice any heart of ethusiasm in their performances. Stewart seems itching to drop his phaser, and cash that check. He is bored. His rages, happiness, and war cries are incredibly dead sounding. The one GOOD actor in the film is Tom Hardy. He is perfect as the villian. He leeks both charm and wickedness. Very creepy, and the best Trek villian since Khan back in '82. This movie has very good production values in the vein of effects, make-up, costumes, etc. It is just sad the editing(choppy), acting, directing, and writing are weak and uninspired. This movie is bad, and I warn you all to wait for DVD if you like Trek. If not, just avoid this one totally.

[KcMsterpce]

Half the stuff in the previews weren't even in the movie, such as Picard and Crusher gettin' it on, the morph from the Nemesis-dude (Shinzon) into Picard and back, and a couple other things but that's not very important...

Does anyone else notice that Shinzon looks like a clone of young Dr. Evil more than a young Picard? ROFLMAO

Anyone with half a brain can piece together the conclusion within about a half hour into it, and that it's not going to be a GOOD one.

I heard 50 minutes was cut before release. That's a good thing, I would have fallen asleep. It's no "Wrath of Khan", that's fur sure!

I'd say wait for "Two Towers" in 4 days.

5/10

[ClarkGriswald]

Just thought I'd post a few notes before I post my review later today. I went to see it last night. I hold "The Wrath of Khan" very close to my heart because it's the best Trek film. The even/odd rule for Trek films (even is good, odd sucks balls) applies here again. Yes, ST:N is bogged down with a lot of drama. Then again, John Logan ("Gladiator") did pen the script and I expected as much from him. Those 45 minutes of deleted scenes, I sorely missed those and there are times you can notice something is missing.

If you are a fan of Star Trek or you just want an entertaining movie, then ST:N is for you. (To me this is the best released coming out this weekend.) If you have patience then simply wait for Lord of the Rings.

Stuart Baird did a fine job with directing. Jerry Goldsmith supplies a fantastic score (which I plan on buying - I loved it!). The acting was just fine for the TNG cast (I'm going to miss them - I grew up on TNG and no other Trek show) and Tom Hardy was damn chilling as Shinzon. The special effects were arguably the best of the series (Paramount always gips Star Trek films on SFX - now here they are amazing!) and, take note MGM - you might want these guys to do your SFX from now on.

All in all I felt the Logan supplied an epic script, but those suits at Paramount wanted a shorter film. You wanna see an epic film? Then wait for the director's cut DVD this spring. Otherwise, see ST:N. It's a good action mystery. B+ or 7/10.

[MyClone]

So why did the studio okay a script so long in the first place if they wanted to cut the hell out of it? And didn't Logan write the terrible remake of The Time Machine? I'm going to see the movie tomrrow since a lot of the online reviews from us ticket buying Joes have been more on the positive side.

[ClarkGriswald]

Yeah, Logan wrote the script to "The Time Machine." Then again, that movie was destined to fail anyway. ST:N is really a damn fine movie, but again I'd see it now and then wait for the 165 min director's cut DVD.

[free]

**accidental double post**

[free]

Originally posted by dh1989
a stupid Whoopi Goldberg cameo, data(was that supposed to make me laugh?).



Whoopi Goldberg was in the show in case you didnt know. And the Data scene probably would only make trekkers laugh.





I agree that the characters look bored with their roles. Maybe it is time (gulp) for Star Trek to be over... Naw


7/10

[free]

Originally posted by KcMsterpce
Half the stuff in the previews weren't even in the movie, such as Picard and Crusher gettin' it on
Anyone with half a brain can piece together the conclusion within about a half hour into it



If i am correct, which i rarely am, picard crusher thing didnt exist
(btw nice avatar Kc)





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That was Shinzon in the preview with Troi, just like in the movie.
and as for the guessing the end, to what were you referring? If the good guys win was what you predicted half way through, well that happens in almost every movie.

[biff_debris]

Tried hiding the spoilers =) Squint yer eyes or something!

Saw it, thought it was great. Busted out laughing at the wedding party scene at the beginning -- more at Worf that Data, tho. They could've had more of Crusher and LeForge, and the Jerry Goldsmith score does really kick ass -- well-deserved props to my fave movie scorer once again! Mebbe even for those who aren't Trek fans (I am, DUH), this makes a great popcorn movie.

[robk]

Although not as good as Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan or Star Trek: First Contact(the respective best films of the original series & TNG), Star Trek: Nemesis was entertaining. The only thing missing was a final scene with all 7 TNG players(a la the TNG series finale, First Contact, & Insurrection).

[ClarkGriswald]

“Star Trek: Nemesis”
Starring Patrick Stewart, Tom Hardy, Ron Perlman, and all the cast of “The Next Generation”
Rated PG-13 for for sci-fi action violence and peril and a scene of sexual content
Directed by Stuart Baird
Rating: B+

“NEMESIS” ENERGIZES TREK FRANCHISE TO MAXIMUM WARP SPEED
By Jerrold Reber
Voices Correspondent
I admit it, back in the day I used to watch Star Trek. I casually watched the next two shows thereafter, but my passion for the series bellied up around 8th grade. I then devoted more time to my passion of films, and naturally 007.
Now Star Trek is back on the big screen after a four-year hiatus. I grew up watching “The Next Generation” and I had an itch to catch the latest film to feature the TNG crew. Sadly, this is billed as “A Generation’s Final Journey.”
Sad yes, but that tagline just cries attention as to how their last adventure will turn out. “Star Trek: Nemesis” is more than just a TV episode brought to the big screen. With an epic script and the return of all (yes, all!) the TNG cast from the past “Nemesis” delivers a film that is highly dramatic, with some small but predictable twists and turns every now and then.
It’s been fifteen years since the USS Enterprise 1701-D (and –E) gathered for their first adventure. It was only a matter of time for Commander Riker and Counselor Troi to wed. That’s precisely what happens in the beginning. But before the festivities can really ignite the Enterprise is called to travel to the turbulent world of Romulus. It seems that a new leader has emerged to take control of the Romulan Senate and, worse yet, he’s from the dark planet Remus, Romulus’s oft-disregarded sister planet.
The Praetor’s name is Shinzon. He oddly enough resembles Captain Picard. Could it be that Shinzon is a clone of Picard? Better yet, could it be that Shinzon is an evil clone with evil ambitions for a plot to destroy the planet Earth?
Oh yeah, that’s exactly how the film goes from there. For the last remaining hour and a half you’re presented with a clever thriller that uses plot, occasionally action, to further the film along. The occasional phaser fight emerges, yes, but for three quarters of the time something new seeps from the cracks and gets you more engrossed with where “Nemesis” is leading you.
Acting wise, it’s another fine outing for all the TNG cast. Tom Hardy, playing the nefarious clone of Picard, is just downright chilling. Now there’s a villain worth remembering.
The film has an epic feel to it. No, it isn’t just the spectacular effects that drop your jaw. No, it’s the screenplay that carries the film, not the visuals. Hit-or-miss screenwriter John Logan has penned a script that propels “Nemesis” to the second best Trek film ever behind “Khan.”
His name should seem familiar. Yes, he did writer that travesty called “The Time Machine.” Then again, he did also craft the Oscar-winning epic called “Gladiator.”
Though, something feels missing. Yes, yet again deleted scenes are to blame for the lack of contentment when you leave the theater. This time around a whopping 44 minutes of footage was deleted from the final cut. Luckily, a 166 minute uncut version of the film will be released on DVD next year.
It’s hard to believe that after fifteen years the TNG crew has finally been separated. “Nemesis” is the best outing for the TNG crew yet. This film is definitely worth a look, even if there are other films out that look better. Trek has finally returned. Glad to see you got some energy in you yet.

[Strider03]

I'm a casual fan, having never really watched the show. I bought the first five films on VHS at Circuit City for a couple bucks each when VHS had begun to demise and it took me three days, I had to stop the film for various reasons, to watch the first one. After the slow and disappointing first entry, I wasn't expecting much from The Wrath of Khan, but it was just a blast and utter joy to watch. Star Trek III was enjoyable, along with The Voyage Home, but The Final Frontier is easily the worst Trek, bar none. The Undiscovered Country is a blast and a very well done send off for the original crew.
I wanted to see Star Trek Nemesis this weekend and watched First Contact, easily the best Next Generation film as a warm-up. When I realized I wouldn't be able to catch the flick this weekend, I also watched Insurrection to see if it's as bad as everyone says it is. It isn't, but incredibly light-hearted and corny. After watching Insurrection I had this urge to see where the Next Generation crew began their adventures and watched Generations. All of the Next Generation flicks are watchable, but First Contact easily stands out because it's plot deserves big screen treatment and the other two are no where near as ambitious and feel like two-part episodes with better special effects.
I'm probably going to see Nemesis tomorrow (If I don't see it before The Two Towers, I might not catch it on the big screen). It did pretty well at the box office this weekend and I'm not a rabid fan, I just expect to be entertained on an intellectual and visceral level for about two hours.

[criddic2]

Just saw Star Trek Nemesis. It is an unusually dark, edgy film for this series and I thought it was miles ahead of what most critics are considering a dull affair. I was not bored. I was surprised to find that, for the most part, this entry was not merely bubble-gum stuff. Excellent effects, an interesting story and an engrossing second half make for a Star Trek adventure that is way better than Insurrection. First Contact remains the best Next Generation vehicle, but this one is somewhere close to Generations. I also agree that Tom Hardy was a credible villain. I was surprised about what happens to Data during the film, however.

It was a fitting end for the NG crew. Now let's see what they do with Voyager!

[surf_crazy75]

Good Stuff: Starship battle between the Enterprise and that Bad A$$ Ship.

Bad Stuff: Dialogue between the characters during the calm moments of the movie and for those bad guys being such elite fighting soldiers, they sure are horrible shots. :confused:

[anakinsrise]

Scale of 1-10 a 7. Great action sequences ,great looking film,but the script needed to be pumped up a bit.To much was cut out of the final script .I would have loved to have seen Picard bang Crusher.Oh well at least the series ended with some fireworks.

[Cyclonus]

Okay, Star Trek: Nemesis was really disappointing. In fact, it's easily the weakest of the even-numbered films. The special effects were pretty good, and the story wasn't too bad, but it was...lacking. Part of it is probably the 40 minutes that were cut out, I have to wonder what's missing. But the point is that I didn't quite find it satisfying.

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As for Data getting killed at the end, I don't think it was as dramatic as it could have been. Compare this to the heartbreaking deactivation of Bishop in Alien 3, or Ripley in the same film. And of course, Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Even the second death of Optimus Prime in the Transformers episode "Dark Awakening" had more dramatic impact than this.

Still, I liked the part where the Enterprise rams the Reman ship, and both sides suffer serious damage.

[Puck Bond]

Star Trek: Nemesis is an uninspired, dull, and predictable sci-fi action/adventure film that I got bored with really quick. First I should say, I am not a fan of Star Trek...never have been and probably never will be and now I know why. To me it just seems like an amateurish 2nd-rate version of Star Wars...the sets, costumes, make-up, special effects just don't pop out at you like they should with these sort of films. Now maybe this is a good Star Trek film overall, but I wouldn't know because I haven't seen any of the others or ever watched the TV show or any of its other variations...but I am looking at this film as fairly as I can as a sci-fi adventure flick and on that fundamental level it just didn't work for me. The usually good Patrick Stewart plays Jean-Luc Picard the captain of the Starship Enterprise, who roams the galaxy keeping the peace for the Federation. He and his crew stumble upon a prototype of Data played by Brent Spiner, and are then invited to meet the new leader of Romulus, Shinzon a Reman played by Tom Hardy (human from the Romulan's rival planet) who has united the two planets together after taking over the senate. He is a younger, cockier, more arrogant version of Picard and they are bound to each other...and soon it becomes clear that he has no desire for peace, but is looking for revenge on Earth, who abandoned him on the desolate, torturous planet where he grew up. Basically from there on in it is a battle between Shinzon's ship and the Starship Enterprise...that seems to last forever, but nothing really interesting ever happens. Hearing that the shields are down to 30% capacity just isn't exciting enough. Not even the crash between the two ships looked impressive. There are attempts to liven up the film by questioning human nature, what makes us human, our potential etc...but that never really elevates the film to something more. As I said the action and special effects are simply dull, the costumes and make-up looks amateurish and the acting...well really isn't worth mentioning. I'm not a Star Trek expert and don't pretend to be...but from what I gather this series seems to have run its course...and Star Trek: Nemesis is not a good movie in this galaxy or the next one.

[dannywalker17]

Star Trek: Nemesis

Written by John Logan
Directed by Stuart Baird
Starring Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Tom Hardy, Brent Spiner, LeVar Burton, Mirina Sirtis, Gates McFadden, and Michael Dorn

Rating: 9/10

**SOME SPOILERS**

My computer has been really messed up and I've been really busy with finals, but I had to get this posted before I see TTT today at 4:00 and forget about everything else. OK, well I didn't go into this movie with a whole lot of expectations. I am a big Trek fan and I hoped it would be good, but went in ready for it to just be so so. I wasn't disappointed. In at least some ways, Nemesis manages to boldly go where no Trek film has gone before. Producers took a risk and hired a non-Trek writer and director (John Logan of Gladiator and Stuart Baird). As a result, we get a perfect script that has humor, intense action, and intimite scenes of dialogue that far surpass other sci-fi, even Attack of the Clones (although that's not hard). Logan manages to dig deeper into the concept of humanity than any Trek film has, giving us two main characters who must face themselves in some way. Picard must face his darker side and wonder if circumstances could have changed his whole outlook on the universe. Data must face what he used to be, and wonder if there is really true humanity for an android, or is he really just a smarter version of what B4 is. I absolutely loved the scene when B4 didn't understand why Data had to shut him down. It was obviously hard for Data to do it and you could really see it in Spiner's performance. I do definetely agree with others who say Shinzon is the best Trek villian since Khan. He's so ambiguous, and because of who he is and what he's been through, it's easy to have some sympathy for him. They did a good job of making him look like Picard as well. I also must disagree that this is too much like Wrath of Khan. The death of Data is nothing like that of Spock. Spock says "The needs of the many outway the needs of the few or the one," and he sacrifices himself to save the Enterprise and it's crew. With Data, it is a more personal sacrifice. He is sacrificing himself for Picard--taking his place, if you will. Picard would have stopped the radiation device if Data didn't, so its not like Data was really a sacrifice for everyone like Spock was. If you really think about it, Data giving his life for Picard is the ultimate end to his quest to become more human, because he is commiting the ultimate act of love. The special effects were excellent and the action sequences were exciting and I can find no reason to give this movie any lower than a nine, but thats just my opinion. It ranks as my third best Star Trek film after Wrath of Khan (10/10) and Generations (10/10). First Contact is #4 with a 9/10. Everything else is 8 or lower.

[Strider]

I caught Star Trek: Nemesis the other day, and I was pretty disappointed. The movie was slow and downright boring. It was definitely not what I expected.

I think I enjoyed Star Trek: Insurrection better, and that movie was boring as well!

The biggest problem the movie suffers from is it's horribly predictable and simple-minded script. Right from the start, you know exactly where it's headed... and this sucks!

Also, I must say that Paramount did an excellent job with the marketing campaign... it was very decieving. It made this movie look like an intriguing and action-packed sci-fi Star Trek flick that had a chance at topping the greatest Star Trek movie ever made, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. What a lie!!!!

Another problem is if this really is the last Star Trek movie with the TNG crew... well, all I got to say, is I pray it isn't. There's a lot of thing here in this movie that are left unsettled. In short, there's no closure whatsoever.

Finally, I would like to agree with everyone about the "sacifrice"... it was very unemotional, and not dramatic at all. It was definitely nowhere as good as the "sacifrice" in "The Wrath of Khan".

I'll say it again, "Star Trek: Nemesis" was a total disappointment. The movie was boring, slow, predictable, and simple-minded. And did I forget a waste of time?

Grade: 5/10 or ** 1/2 out of ***** stars

Strider

[Haddonfield]

Rating: 8/10

Series Rating: 10/10



oh lank you lord for a damn fantastic movie. I was very surprised by the tone and mood of this movie. It almost felt like a slasher film. I have enjoyed TNG and was on the edge of my seat with this movie. Some will say the first half dragged and was dragged down with talking...but it really captivated me with an intense story. This is the best TNG movie.

Its strange to see some say that the cast just showed up for there check because I fell that every one of them did there best job in any movie or tv show. I really cant put into words how good this movie was...(blame drugs and alchohol at the presant time :) )

this movie was simply magic from start to finish.....

[Jasonite]

As probably the most knowledgable ST:TNG poster on this board, I feel it's my duty to give my opinion on this latest movie. *heh* I've watched and recorded every episode, ever since the fall of 1987, and am in the process of buying all of the seasons on DVD. I feel it is easily the finest television show I've ever seen. The movies, however, have been a mixed bag to say the least.

Nemesis is probably the weakest Next Generation movie that has yet come out. Yes, we've had to endure Kirk in Generations, the fairly bad treatment of Picard's reaction to the Borg in First Contact, and the ridiculous characterization of Data in Insurrection, but at the very least all of these films felt like Star Trek. This last one does not.

It's probably due in part to a screenwriter who helped write the abominable Gladiator...or a director who's few credits include US Marshalls. Both are primarily concerned with action only, and not drama, so of course when they came to a universe as complex and subtle as Star Trek's, they stumbled. The performances of the main cast are directed in a very, very different way from the way they should be. I say 'the way they should be' because I'm one of the few qualified to say how they should, in fact, act. When you've been watching certain actors perform certain parts for approximately 15 years you do develop a deep understanding of the character, and how the actor brings that character to life, and in this film most of them are out of it. Since the director admitted to never having seen a single episode of Star Trek, when coupled with viewing this movie the reason they are all so off becomes readily apparent.

The scenes that are meant to convey emotional impact almost always fall short, and the action scenes are clearly meant to carry the movie, which they don't. The crux of the plot, involving Picard having to deal with a clone of himself who grew up very differently than he, sounds like it was picked up from the screenwriter playing Baldur's Gate II, where in fact one of the sublots involve that very thing. Brent Spiner, who plays Data, was also involved in the screenplay writing process, and hopefully was helpful with the script rather than the reverse.

In short, while the starship battle at the end did have some exciting moments, this is nowhere enough to carry the movie, and why, against my hopes, it fails.


Jasonite