Are you a fan of THORN or just the original Halloween?

[HALLOWEEN MORON]

I'm personally a fan of the first and second Halloween, I loved H20 because it was like the first ones... Ressurection is ok. the only reason I liked it was because it had some stuff from the first, second and H20! For example the way Micheal moves his head (Original Halloween) and the way he streams from the pole( H20)
All the best Halloween's have Laurie in them... thats what I think, Well anyway tell me your opinion.

[Duke Nukem]

Well, I feel about the same way. The outer "Halloween" films which all have Jamie Lee Curtis are the among the best of the series. However, I can't deny that I enjoyed the "3" midsequels. Making part 4 more atmospheric was a good move and I liked how Michael marked his "return," but I wasn't able to completely get into it the way I wanted to. The fifth was worst Michael Myers-oriented of the series. Like most of the entries, it takes it's time to get to the major action, but it takes too long to get to is and is boring, and most of the characters were arritating. I could say more, but I'm not going to waste more time. I am not embarassed to admit that I liked "The Curse of Michael Myers." It went through the trouble of explaining the origins of Michael Myers and I liked that and how they did it. So, I liked the thorn symbol, but I didn't like how Dimension video didn't released it as the original "Producer's Cut," which I intend to eventually get and see. With all that said, I like the mid-entries, but why I acknowledge the outer entries more is that, all in all, they feel closer to the spirit of the first "Halloween" (that's probably why I didn't get into part 4 that much).

[myersfan31]

I agree completely. 1, 2, H20 and Resurrection are the true Halloweens IMO.

[XCoRyX]

i love the thorn storyline,as well as the film it was in....my favorite of the series...i also enjoy the originals though,the only ones i didnt enjoy were 7 and 8.

[HalloweenShape31]

I LOVE THEM ALL!!!!

Except 3 and yes, 5 is god awful but its a HALLOWEEN film with Michael Myers.

[Fettdog]

Hi Halloween moron and welcome to Arrow's bloodsoaked backyard! If you haven't already done so, please take a moment to familiarise yourself with the FAQ, here...

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Welcome aboard!

[Foxxy_Cleopatra]

Sugar, i am a fan of both

[Boogeyman]

I didnt like the THORN curse. I liked all the movies...but I just wish they didnt include the curse plot. Again...I like them all, just not the Thorn.

later

[Odd Emu]

Halloween, Halloween 2, and Halloween 4 were the only good Halloween movies imo. 3,5,6,H20, and 8 all lick the backside of King Kong.

[ruffbuffy]

I think both paths the halloween movies take are great, except for Halloween 8 and 3 & 5 were slow & irritatting.

Does anyone know if they have abandoned the concept of tHORN? if the keep making 'h20' sequels then they've pretty much killed of (so to speak) the idea behind michael's curse...personally speaking, now that *spoiler* laurie strode has been killed off, they should concentrate on the thorn, tommy and kara and Jamie's baby!

[Rod Silverling]

I´ve seen Halloween 5,but I haven´t seen Halloween 6(or 4,for that matter).

What is this whole Thorn thing?

I can only think of a thorn on a backside(ie.how Sam Loomis sees Michael as),or Damien Thorne from the Omen movies(ie.they fought a while back in the Versus forum).

[Duke Nukem]

I am a fan of both the thorn storyline and the most of the other "halloween" entries, either direction. It's clear that starting with Laurie Strode's neglagence to mention her daughter, Jamie Lloyd in "H20," the filmmakers, Moustapha Akkad, OR Dimension Video are try to deny the thorn curse storyline. They've done that for two entries now. However, I've already concocted an idea for a ninth "Halloween" film that could tie up the series' loose ends, thus possibly satisfying the Halloween fans of the world. I can't say it completely makes sense. In fact, there's another loose end, I've just discovered that could be uncorrectable for such an entry, but I had already sent the idea to Arrow in the Head, who liked it and conveniently send it to good 'ol Moustapha Akkad, himself. With good hope, this series can end (or continue...you never know) in dignity.

[Rod Silverling]

I see you like this Thorn thing,but my question is:WHAT is it?

I don´t have the slightest idea.

Can some of my fellow schmoes please enlighten me?

[Duke Nukem]

Sorry, it's just that I was nearly done typing my reply when you posted a reply about what the thorn storyline is, so you beat me to the chase. Anyway, the thorn curse goes like this: In "Halloween (6): The Curse of Michael Myers," we learn the origins of Michael's evil. He was born on a Halloween night with the thorn symbol, which represents his murderous impulses to kill off his family. This is proof that Michael is the boogeyman; that he is pure evil; evil on two legs. He has NO soul. He has the appearance of a human being, but underneath, he is darkness/evil. Plain evil. The sixth "Halloween" entry clarifies this well, I think, but in a bit of a heavyhanded way, that didn't bother me, but did bother a lot of other "Halloween" fans, and that's they don't like "Halloween 6." If you want to know more, as to how the film clarifies this, tell me. You could also see the sixth "Halloween" film for yourself. I would hate to spoil anything for you.

[Rod Silverling]

OK...

so now Michael Myers is a haunted kid?And that´s why he kills people?

Come on!That´s the biggest pile of shit I have ever heard!
No disrepect man,but the charm of the Halloween series is that Michael is just a regular man,just tougher to kill,and has no supernatural bullsh*t backing him up.He could be anyone.He could be your neighbor.he could be your brother.

As a wise horror fan once said,"it is when evil acquires a familiar shapen that it becomes more horryfying".

[HALLOWEEN MORON]

Exactly what I mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Duke Nukem]

A haunted kid? He was never really a kid. He is evil. He always has been evil. Sure, when was just a kid, he may have seemed normal, but it was at age 6, on Halloween, that the murderous impulses kicked in. If you need to know more, just ask Dr. Loomis (sorry, you can't now). Through the the series, he bantered on and on how Michael WAS "evil," "pure evil," "murder on two legs," etc. In "Halloween II," before Michael breaks into the hospital to go after Laurie, comes by a school to shoves a knife through a family picture, through directly a sister figure, indicating that a) he had killed a sister, b) he was after another sister, or obviously c) both. He also paints on the wall, the words "samhain," which stands for the Halloween festival according to mythology of the thorn symbol. It's because of the thorn symbol and that he is pure evil that he has never died. He's been shot several times, driven over, stabbed, and fallen great distances, and he's still comes back. And one more thing. The thorn symbol mythology comes from the druids, as "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers" explores some of those roots. Ask any other "Halloween" fan, and they'll tell you that. If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will.

[peepnklown]

Before you talk about “bullshit” you might want to re-read your statement Rod Silverling.

“Michael is just a regular man just tougher to kill…”

If Michael was just a regular man he wouldn’t be tough to kill since all humans beings share the same flaws that can kill them. If Michael were so-called tougher to kill then some supernatural force would come into play.

The Halloween series charm was that Michael Myers was the Boogeyman: unstoppable evil.

[Duke Nukem]

So true, peepnklown!

[renny]

I go completely on the rules of the first movie in the series. To me, Michael is simply evil incarnate. He has no fathomable reason to kill; the only reason he kept going after Laurie was because he's like the Terminator: if he sets his sights on you, he will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

[Devil55]

I love every Halloween movie out there including parts 3 and 5,If your a fan of the series you would like them all.I think its bullshit that they totally ignored parts 4-6 when they made H2O and Resurrection but I still like both of those flicks.In fact,I just recently saw pt 8 and thought it was pretty sweet with the whole internet thing,I also liked how they did'nt make it so Michaels always hiding because thats old school and they realize that,Mikey's out in the open and still doing his thing.The only thing I did'nt like was that fucking Busta Rhymes,What a horrible actor,And whats with the kung fu shit,Fucking loser.

[Foxxy_Cleopatra]

I just watched Halloween 6 the curse of michael myers its and ok movies i loved how they brought back tommy hes kool. Michael acts strange in this one i dunno what it is but he just acts strange lol.

[crystaLLake_camper]

I personally think that they should of stopped after Halloween II, but I like 4, and H20 was descent, as was Resurection -or however you spell it.

[JustOneFix]

I think the thorn was a really smart idea and I loved it. They should bring it back.

[Duke Nukem]

I would love to have a ninth "Halloween" film that brought back Tommy Doyle, John Tate, and Sara from "Halloween: Resurrection" (it's inevitable; it's in her contract).

I could see these characters coming together to stop Michael. It could take place right after "Halloween: Resurrection." John, upset by his mother's death, goes back to Haddonfield to stop Michael. He might seek Tommy Doyle's help, having heard of his encounters and knowledge with/of Michael.

This is where the thorn symbol might come in. It could provide a way to somehow kill off Michael and Tommy, most likely, would have it figured out.

The obvious connection this possible entry would have with the outer 7 and 8 entries would be Sara from "Resurrection." I could imagine an opening sequence, with her and Freddie Harris at the haddonfield Hospital, which would have the morgue where Michael wakes up at (from the end of "Resurrection"). Michael kills Freddie (!), tries to kill Sara, but she escapes, and Michael goes home.

Now, the thorn symbol was not welcomed by a lot of
fans/nonfans/mainstream critics, so it shouldn't be used in a
heavyhanded manner like in "Halloween: The Curse of Michael
Myers." I didn't mind it, but many others didn't. The advantage of the thorn symbol in a ninth "Halloween" entry is that it could bring back a darker, scarier feel to it, as "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers" had. What wouldn't be necessary though, is the druid stuff and guys. It was used in "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers" enough to it's potential as the man in black finally had Michael and Jamie in his hands, but that part of the storyline is done.

Another connection is that John has just learned that his now-dead mother carried a heavy burden: she had a daughter-Jamie Lloyd. Thus another reason for John to go after Michael.

Tommy could have looked up more on the Thorn symbol mythology, possibly to figure out Michael's vulnerabilities, or even to kill him. Hopefully, it would used to a good enough degree, and wouldn't confuse the audience. I know many who didn't understand the whole thorn symbol mythology in "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers." That's why I'm thinking of an entry like this: it could make up for the critical bashing of "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers" (and perhaps the other bashed entries), and to end the series right, while getting the separated "Halloween" fans (those that like the outer entries, and those that like the neglected mid-sequels) back together.

What do you think?

[TheDeadWalk]

I'm not real sure if the series will end with the ninth at all... the burnt up mask molded to Michael's face somehow gives me the distinction we are coming into a new era, one that I'm not sure if I'm ready to come face to face with. I'd much rather see a new mask in the next one, or at least him getting a new mask (I should say "Fresh mask" but I want the same white captain kirk mask to be on him).

As far as Halloween 6 goes, there was SO much that went wrong with that picture, and it's completely a chopped up version of the original Halloween 6: Producer's cut.

There is a website where you can view the whole movie, one fifteen minute clip at a time, and I will post it when I am on my home computer sometime soon.

*Spoiler for a producer's cut, if that even matters*



The Producer's cut actually ENDED the era of Michael Myers, creating a new Thorn child or whatever, and Loomis as the care-taker for the new Evil. I absolutely hated the thought of that, and seeing that. There was no end to Michael, he just walked away, as it was passed on to another.

When i twas realized that this ideal sucked, and many fans would be pissed royally, They chopped up some of the "good scenes" and re-shot most of the rest, and tossing the latter into the garbage.

In my opinion, both sucked, and I'm glad they were forgotten before Halloween turned into a straight-to-video franchise like hellraiser.


*End of the spoilers that never "happened.*

[Foxxy_Cleopatra]

Michael Myers Rocks! But Jason Rules!

[Duke Nukem]

TheDeadWalk, you are the reason, I'm dreaming up such an entry in the "Halloween" series. Moustapha Akkad messed up big time with "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers" when Dimension did the big botch up job. Regardless of that, I still liked the theatrical cut of "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers.

But, theres's more than that. They ignored the existance of "Halloween"'s 4 through 6, in with entries, "H20" and "Resurrection." Telling from your dislike of "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers," theatrical cut or Producer's Cut, I sense that you favor outer entries "H20" and "Resurrection" more.

Maybe I'm being very optimnistic here, but I think that such an "Halloween" entry could end the series right, with both divided fans coming together in it's glory. When I think of "Halloween 9" resurrecting the thorn symbol, I'm not bringing back the druid guys. There's no need for that. That part of the storyline is done. The man in black is dead. I can understand that you didn't like that in "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers," for that. I'm only saying that if I got my wish and the thorn symbol mythology came back ONLY to be used for a darker and scarier feel and to possibly kill Michael once and for all. So, as I said before, I can see Tommy Doyle looking up more of the mythology of the thorn symbol and it being used somehow in finishing off Mihcael. Now, I think that could satisfy both fans as long as it used right, which I think is possible. Now, is that such a crime?

[TheDeadWalk]

It's not a crime at all... Your opinion is your opinion... I just don't find the Thorn storyline appealing, creepy, scary, mysterious, or anything for that matter.

The producer's cut did have something about stopping the Thorn, or at least "halting" it. The little boy, drew out some runestones and created a circle, and when Michael stepped in it, he could no longer move. I simply shook my head at that...

I favor H20 and Ressurection more to a certain extent, as they were more exciting and horrifying, then they were dull, whereas I felt H's 5 and 6 were the exact opposite. The best analogy of me being introduced into the Thorn storyline was as if you had just walked in on your Grandma in the bathroom. *Shudders* You just don't have that same feel for Grandma and her oatmeal cookies as you once did anymore...

Though I LOVED Halloween Four, I accepted it's withdrawl into the realm of forgotten-ness as simply nothing more than a casualty of war. Are Ressurection and H20 perfect? Not by a longshot. That's why my favorite movie in my little bio next to my Conquistador Zombie Avatar says "Halloween 2".

If 9 is the final Halloween, Yes, It may sadden me, but all good things do come to an end. If it ends with the Thorn storyline coming back, then so be it, I'll still be at the theater on opening day, perhaps leaving dissapointed, perhaps not...

[Duke Nukem]

That's fair and understandable.