Hellbound: Hellraiser 2

[Madman Marz]

What did all you guys think of this movie. I personally liked this just as much as the first. I found it very depressing

[Kurzweiler]

I think it lacks a quality of believability that the first one had...it tried to hard to be a commanding sequel.

But as far as sequels go, I still think it's one of the best I've ever seen. The acting is good, the scenes are disturbing, the story isn't bad, but the tone of the movie is forced somehow.

[MICHAELvoorhees]

I actually liked it better then the first. It's more twisted and gory.

[Cyclonus]

My review:

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[Haddonfield]

its all about the nut job and the razor blade...

uncut..on DVD...its still one F'ed Up moment!

[Ominous Phone Call]

Cool movie. I thought Tiffany was a cutie. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Andrew Tom]

This was the first Hellraiser I ever saw,(so far seen the first two and Inferno)and I liked it. It was nothing earth-shattering, but I managed to get a few kicks out of it. It does show you a bit different hell and I for one appreciated the lack of flames etc.

I'd have to see it again along with the first to say which is better.

[countchocula]

This is my second favorite Hellraiser film behind Inferno. What attracted me to it was the fact that Frank and Julia's screen time was lessened in comparison to the original. I loathe those two characters and preferred having Kirsty as the focal point. I'm glad she's returning for the sixth installment.

[Elgyn]

I thought this movie was ALMOST as good as the original. It was really cool and kept the atmosphere of the first movie - UNTIL the doctor turned into a Cenobite and started cracking one-liners like Freddy ("The doctor is in".....groan).
At the very least, this was better than 3 and 4.

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And for the record, The Time sucked.

[Affinius]

I loved Hellbound. Of course it wasn't as horrific as the first one, but it sure was neat, visually. And good characterization as well. I loved the scene where the Cenobites remember the way they were before and turned back into humans when they were killed. This was the first time, as with other people, that I knew and understood exactly what a cenobite was and how they could be made. Also the elevator/transformation sequence of the doctor; boy, that gave me chills. Especially the huge organ-arm that holds the doctor after his is transformed. I just thought that the Cenobites, particularly Pinhead, died too easily in the movie. I wish they would bring back the original Cenobites and tell their stories, and exactly how they entered the box and became Cenobites; I always thought that was an interesting concept. Of course I always look forward to meeting new Cenobites in new Hellraiser movies, but none of them have compared to the original team!

[Cyclonus]

Okay, I just saw it again for the umpteeth time. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

The last act is what ages it the most. At first, the tone is dark and somber, like in the original. However, after Channard becomes a Cenobite, it's a campy gorefest. In contrast, the original rarely seems dated.

[DeadByDawn]

What a great little flick. I liked this almost as much as the first one. BTW, is Inferno so good as they say?

[Razorblade Smile]

is Inferno so good as they say?

Depends on what perspective you choose to look at it from.

As a HORROR MOVIE...it is very very cool. Dark, moody, brooding psycho-thriller. (Starring Craig Sheffer of Clive Barker's Night Breed)

As a HELLRAISER MOVIE...it sucks balls. I'll warn you now....and you'll thank me for the spoiler, Pinhead is LITERALLY only in the film for about 3 seconds. A character opens a door and they see Pinhead and that is it.

[Cushing]

I really enjoyed Hellraiser when it was first released and was looking forward to the sequel .Right up until the last 20 mins of part2 I was having a ball then ,I don't know what happened but the movie just fell apart. Having said that it's still a pretty good film......., well 2 thirds of it anyway.

[countchocula]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Razorblade Smile:
Pinhead is LITERALLY only in the film for about 3 seconds. A character opens a door and they see Pinhead and that is it.</font>

No, Pinhead has at least a full minute of screen time in Inferno. You forgot about his appearance in the finale. It's my favorite Hellraiser opus. It's brooding, psychologically mind-bending, stylish, and well-paced. It takes a couple of viewings for everything to sink in, but once it clicks, it’s easy to appreciate the film on its own merits.

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[Lady Summerisle]

HELLBOUND was a fun sequel, not to be taken seriously.
What is with the dumbass characters. Kyle was a dope. A woman in a designer dress comes up to you, leads you into a room, and sucks your blood out. You should have known it was Julia, dopey!
Qualms aside, I think the gore was excellent, Kirsty better and more focused than 1, and Channard was a bad ass who didn't like to get dirty.
The last 20 mintues threw me off, but the rest was rollicking, and I can forgive the ending.
Seeing the female Cenobite as human was wicked, as was PInheads transformation to his old self.
Julia is the ultimate screen bitch. She even seduces with no skin!

[Cyclonus]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lady Summerisle:
[B]HELLBOUND was a fun sequel, not to be taken seriously.[B]</font>

That was my problem. It kinda goes against what Clive intended to do with the genre: to make serious, non-jokey horror movies. He did just that with HR1. For HR2, however, he wasn't directly involved, so this Channard guy ends up spouting one-liners worthy of Freddy Krueger.

Okay, think of the original. Think of how eerie, somber, and downbeat it was. That's what HR2 should have done also, but they went wayyy overboard.

As a whole, it's a rather muddled effort, but I know it was made in a hurry.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

An awesome and underrated sequel. Gore galore and very dark/gothic. I urge horror buffs to check it out whether or not you liked the first one.

Matt

[DeadByDawn]

One thing bugs me, my Hellraiser 2 is gory as hell and there's no marks of it being a cut version, but I'm still not sure is it uncut. Is there a way to check it?

BTW, maybe I'll enjoy Inferno, if I watch it like I watched Halloween 3, I don't think it belongs to the series, but just watch it as any ordinary horror movie.

[freddy666]

Im a huge fan of all the Hellraiser films, I think Hellbound was almost as good as the original. It is very entertaining!!!

[Cyclonus]

The part where the guy multilates himself still freaks me out. Even now, I find it hard to sit through the entire scene.

PS: He was the same guy who played skinless Frank in the original.

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[Evil Dead]

it was cool

[Pumpkinhead]

I thought it was very good, almost as good as the original.

[mattjk_17]

I preferred this over the original, probably due to the goriness of it http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[LamentConfiguration]

Hellraiser is obviously one of my favorite movies, I mean, just look at my name! I really enjoyed Hellbound, but wtf happened at the end when Channard died? He got his snakey things stuck in the ground and that huge penis looking thing ripped the top half or his jaw off. Is it like that thing on his head touches the ground and pulls him up so when he got stuck it kept pulling and his head came off, that's my best guess anyway.

[kubotakhan01]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Madman Marz:
What did all you guys think of this movie. I personally liked this just as much as the first. I found it very depressing</font>

Y'know, I have always tried to describe a way to describe the mood of "Hellbound" and you hit it right on the head for me. I found the mood very depressing. It worked very well. Great film.

[Cyclonus]

One reviewer used this choice of words: somber, eerie to the core...its images are stark and painful.

[Spider-Man]

I liked it a lot but I really felt sorry for Tiffany, I don't know why...

[Razorblade Smile]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by countchocula:
No, Pinhead has at least a full minute of screen time in Inferno. You forgot about his appearance in the finale. It's my favorite Hellraiser opus. It's brooding, psychologically mind-bending, stylish, and well-paced. It takes a couple of viewings for everything to sink in, but once it clicks, it’s easy to appreciate the film on its own merits.

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Yeah, I forgot about the ending. I liked Inferno but Pinhead really dissapointed me. I think it was the absence of the hollowness of his voice that did it.

[JCR]

I would recommend if you are going to get this film you get the unrated cut not the R version. There are loads of differences. The 1st anchor bay usa release unrated DVD is region 0 so will play on any player

[teenkiller]

SPOILERS FOR HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER 2

I just bought this yesterday and watched it for my second time. It is an extremely powerful sequel. One that is definitely worthy of the accolades it receives, for it's visual prowess if nothing else. Things get kind of confusing in the last fifteen minutes or so but overall I found it highly enjoyable.

I'm glad that Pinhead and Co. still have limited screen time and don't make their presence known until more than fifty minutes in. Julia and Frank also had welcome reappearances. I even think they managed to work them back into the story in a pretty cool way. Unfortunately, even though playing a pivotal character, Ashley Laurence's acting is still a bit shaky.

I had a couple of issues though. As already mentioned, Dr. Channard shouldn't have been spouting one liners in the final act. Otherwise he was a pretty cool character. Another thing is just how quickly he rejuvenated Julia. It seems like within an hour or so he was already able to feed her an entire torture chamber of victims. No less than six or seven from what I remember. I'm also not sure exactly how Kirsy was able to put on Julia's skin in the finale and make it look so believable... no big deal though.

Sadly I think this was the last truly great Hellraiser film though I have still yet to see Inferno. The score, the mood, effects, direction... all wonderful. THIS is the one reason why I actually don't mind a Hellraiser remake. I'm hoping they will actually invest some time and effort this time around in delivering a Hellraiser flick with the attitude of the first two. Here's hoping.

Hellbound: Hellraiser 2 - 10/10

Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Cronos]

I love Hellbound, it's nearly as good as the first film, it's got some great gore and fun effects, a cool plot with some great characters. The acting is brilliant as is the direction, all the scenes in Hell are fantastic. Definitely the best of the Hellraiser sequels (although I do love them all :D)

9/10

[Kikabi]

Hey, teenkiller, I watched Hellbound today as well, although for the first time for me. So, I can't compare it to subsequent sequels. I really enjoyed it, though. I'm glad you and the other encouraged me to see it.

So, why did Channard get to be super-Cenobite? Why did the Leviathan god trick him out more than the other Cenobites? And what's with his huge head-gear? Was that thing somehow connected to the god-device? Also, in the first one, Pinhead had described themselves as "Demons to some. Angels to others." Are they ever actually angels???

[teenkiller]

Heh. I guess the Cenobites can be considered angels by the sick fucks (AKA sadomasochists) who worship them. That is, up until they actually encounter them and begin begging for a way out of their own personal hell. Let's not forget he did actually help Kristy by taking care of Frank for her.

Personally I don't see Pinhead and the gang as good OR evil. Kind of just neutral. Almost as if he's there in the midst of things and has a job to do like anyone else. At least in the first two films any way. Then Hellraiser 3: Hell on Earth comes along and he's made more into a generic evil dickhead villain. Sigh.

In good conscious I can't actually recommend the rest of the sequels to you because I don't find them all that great myself. Hellseeker is actually pretty decent though. Might be worth your while.

Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Kikabi]

Heh. I guess the Cenobites can be considered angels by the sick fucks (AKA sadomasochists) who worship them. That is, up until they actually encounter them and begin begging for a way out of their own personal hell. Let's not forget he did actually help Kristy by taking care of Frank for her.

That's true, except they weren't planning to let her go after taking care of Frank. They only spared her in the first round because she could lead them to Frank. That they saved her from him was a fortunate by-product of their work.

Personally I don't see Pinhead and the gang as good OR evil. Kind of just neutral. Almost as if he's there in the midst of things and has a job to do like anyone else. At least in the first two films any way.

I can see it that way, especially in the light of the second movie with their memories wiped clean and seeming to be nearly programmed. Truly scary that they were once humans. And I got the feeling that Pinhead was once a guy, some sort of archealogist who found the box during a dig. That maybe he was just innocently checking it out? Just a theory, I guess. It's just that I got the impression that when he remembered when he was human, he didn't seem like he had been a bad person like Frank, Julia, and Channard.

Then Hellraiser 3: Hell on Earth comes along and he's made more into a generic evil dickhead villain. Sigh.

That's a shame. He's cool in the first two because he's so enigmatic.

In good conscious I can't actually recommend the rest of the sequels to you because I don't find them all that great myself. Hellseeker is actually pretty decent though. Might be worth your while.

Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

Well, I was going to watch the third one to judge for myself, but I have many, many more horror movies to see! Is Hellseeker a stand-alone type?

[teenkiller]

I can see it that way, especially in the light of the second movie with their memories wiped clean and seeming to be nearly programmed. Truly scary that they were once humans. And I got the feeling that Pinhead was once a guy, some sort of archealogist who found the box during a dig. That maybe he was just innocently checking it out? Just a theory, I guess. It's just that I got the impression that when he remembered when he was human, he didn't seem like he had been a bad person like Frank, Julia, and Channard.

Without giving too much away for you Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth actually delves further into Pinhead's past. You get to know a little bit more about his human self. The unfortunate thing is that Pinhead himself is made evil this time as opposed to neutral like I stated earlier. He goes around cackling like a madman a few times and it's just... not him.

As for Hellseeker nearly all of the Hellraiser sequels are stand alones with Pinhead being the only linking thread. Hellbound and Hellseeker are the exceptions though. But yeah, as always you can only judge for yourself. Hell I watched Bloodline, Deader, AND Hellworld even though I thought they were all tripe. YIKES!

Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[JackassFan]

It's got nothing on the first, but it's not a bad movie.

6/10

[Superplasmatron]

its fucking cool, its like a kids version of the first

[teenkiller]

One thing I found pretty cool which I forgot to mention was that The Chatterer was really a child. I didn't see that coming. I wonder how HE was taken at such a young age! Nice twist. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Superplasmatron]

why was there never a hellraiser tv show about how cenobites became themselves? could be all angsty and emo called ceno bites!

[Kikabi]

One thing I found pretty cool which I forgot to mention was that The Chatterer was really a child. I didn't see that coming. I wonder how HE was taken at such a young age! Nice twist. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

Yeah! I liked that part. Part of me wondering about who these people, like Pinhead, were before. If Kristy had been captured, could she have been turned into one of them? Regardless of her innocence? That kind of fascinates me in it's indifferent cruelty. As in, no matter who you are and how you find the box, once you open it, that's that. But, I guess not all of them become cenobites. Frank and Julia didn't, but Channard and that kid did.

[teenkiller]

Heres some interesting character biographies taken straight from Wikipedia:

On Pinhead:
Fictional character biography

Captain Elliott Spenser.Pinhead was not always a Cenobite, but was in fact once human. Pinhead originated as Captain Elliott Spenser, who was born into the middle class British society of the Victorian Era circa 1887.

He joined the British Expeditionary Force, eventually rising to the rank of Captain and served during World War I. Spenser was a charismatic and eloquent man, who could feel great empathy and compassion for those around him. These are factors which undoubtedly assisted in his mental breakdown which he suffered after the Battle of Flanders in 1916. Spenser did not believe he had a right to live after watching many of his comrades perish in horrific circumstances. He had also lost faith in the human race after witnessing the inhumanity one individual could enact upon another. He had lost faith in God, who he believed had failed humanity, claiming "God fell at Flanders too."

Whilst other survivors of the war turned to religion, philosophy, music, art and poetry, the disillusioned and jaded Spenser wandered the world and became something of a hedonist, turning to the baser methods of gratification for satisfaction and pleasure. These included opium, alcohol, and sex; however these were insufficient, as the sensations were never strong enough and Spenser always wanted greater highs, leading to his dabbling in the Occult, Satanism and black magic. By his own definition, he had become "an explorer of forbidden pleasures." He had indeed become a lost soul, descending deeper and deeper into madness and eventually sadomasochism as pain became indistinguishable from pleasure.

His transformation into Pinhead (a.k.a. "Lead Cenobite", "The Angel of Suffering" and "The Dark Prince of Pain") occurred when he opened the demonic Lament Configuration, which he picked up from a market in India in 1921. In the Hellraiser comic book series, Pinhead is depicted as the latest incarnation of the Cenobite spirit Xipe Totec, an entity derived from Aztec mythology.

Pinhead's role has varied with each Hellraiser installment. In the original Hellraiser, Pinhead was simply the "Lead Cenobite" and was part of a collective group giving pleasure and pain to those who opened the box. They were not "evil" as such, simply a force that existed to explore experience. The second film followed this but the third film radically changed the original concept, making Pinhead and the Cenobites into typical Hollywood monsters. In the fourth film he is presented as a demon of Hell bent on world domination, and by the fifth he simply tortures those who solve the box. The seventh film reverts closer to the original film, with the Cenobites responsible for pleasure and pain, but the characters seem more demonic as in later installments. In the Hellraiser comic book series, it would seem that Leviathan might be considered the overlord of the Cenobite world.


[edit] Character details & personality
The character of Pinhead presented something of a departure from the horror movie villains who preceded him. Unlike Leatherface, Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers, he can and does speak. However, he is rarely comical, as are Freddy Krueger or Chucky. When he does indulge in humour, it is notably dry. Another difference between Pinhead and other film killers, supernatural or otherwise, is his need to have been purposely summoned, as The Lament Configuration must be opened for the Cenobites to enter the (real) world. Pinhead does not kill indiscriminately, nor for vengeance; he kills because he was conjured from Hell by the opener of the puzzle box.

Pinhead's other difference from typical film killers is that he can be reasoned and bargained with. In both Hellraiser and Hellraiser: Hellseeker, the Kirsty character bargains with Pinhead to offer him more "souls" in exchange for her own (in particular, her human adversaries), thus resulting in her life being spared. Pinhead does not kill quickly, as he and the other Cenobites are well-versed in torture. Death does not end the suffering of his victims either, as they are brought to Hell/The Labyrinth, where, Pinhead says, "We have an eternity to know your flesh." Sometimes he stands back as the other Cenobites under his command do the actual killing. Pinhead is obsessed with pain and exploring the limits of the flesh, calmly observing his "experiments" as they suffer under the ministrations of him and fellow members of his order.

The act of opening The Lament Configuration is not always sufficient reason to be killed: in Hellbound: Hellraiser II, Pinhead stops the Cenobites from killing Tiffany, an emotionally traumatized girl who opened the box only after being manipulated by Dr. Channard. Pinhead remarks, “…it is not hands that call us, it is desire…” Later in the film Pinhead is killed by Dr. Channard who is by then a Cenobite himself, but not before Channard returns Pinhead to his original human form, as opposed to the other Cenobites, who were killed outright and then returned to their human forms upon dying.

Elegant in his leather cassock, he speaks to summoners in hypnotic, seductively eloquent tones. Humans are living canvases to him, their flesh, merely clay to be reconfigured. He very rarely speaks to his subordinates and usually does so only when issuing an order. Only Cenobites of comparable ranking to himself, such as the Cenobite Princess Angelique, are spoken to as equals.

Female Cenobite:
The Female Cenobite is a Cenobite appearing in the movies Hellraiser and Hellbound: Hellraiser II. The role was played by Grace Kirby in the first film and Barbie Wilde in the sequel, but the character and make-up are the same.

Like all cenobites, she is clad in black leather and is mutilated. Several wires peel back the skin around her neck, causing her to have a whispery voice. In the sequel four of the wires holding her throat open have been removed, leaving just one frame. When she is killed at the end of the second Hellraiser film, she reverts back to her original human form, revealing that she had once been a pretty brunette woman.

According to the NECA packaging for the Female Cenobite action figure, she was once a decadent nun named Sister Nikoletta, though this history does not occur in the Hellraiser films. The NECA history was the idea of Gary J. Tunnicliffe, responsible for make-up effects in the later films, and not the creators of the character.

In a Q&A session with Doug Bradley and Simon Bamford, it was revealed that the Female Cenobite had been dubbed "DeepThroat" by the film crew, which could not have been shown in the credits for reasons of decency.

Chatterer:
The Chatterer is a Cenobite appearing in the movies Hellraiser and Hellbound: Hellraiser II. He was originally a child before he was pulled into the Labyrinth and severely mutilated into his current form. Like all cenobites, he is clad in black leather. His mouth is stretched open by eight hook tipped wires exposing his namesake chattering teeth. His tan skin has been warped and burned and scarring covers his nose and eyes. Like the Female Cenobite, in Hellbound: Hellraiser II, his appearance is altered; the wires on his face are taken off (the damage caused by the wires remains), the scarring over his eyes is stripped off, he is able to breathe through tiny nostrils and his ears are starting to grow back. He is killed by the Channard Cenobite when a tentacle-spear was thrown into his chest.

The NECA packaging suggests he is "the 2nd Lieutenant of Hell" though nothing in any other media supports this and, in fact, the Female cenobite acts more as an equal to Pinhead with Chatterer acting more as the 'muscle' of the group, actively grabbing and gagging Kirsty with his fingers in the original film.

In the fourth Hellraiser movie, the similar Chatter Beast was introduced. Pinhead's canine familiar, it underwent the same process as Chatterer, with exposed large and sharp teeth that click constantly. In the movies to follow, a new Chatterer was introduced: Chatterer III Hellraiser: Hellseeker.

The Chatterer in Hellraiser and Hellbound: Hellraiser II was played by Nicholas Vince; who also appeared in Nightbreed as Kinski.


Unfortunately there is nothing for Butterball. And the rest? Well who cares about them any way. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.