The Academy's biggest mistakes

[eraserhead_99]

Of course without saying its obviously kubrick, hitchcock, and scorcese getting little or no awards for their tremendous talent. Also david lynch shoulda won best director for mulholland drive, and that shoulda also won best picture. and ron howard should NOT have won best director. He is the most overrated director out there.

Opinions?

[Moviefan1234]

I, for one, was happy with last years Oscars. My main complaint is that Norton has never won.

[Razorblade Smile]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
I, for one, was happy with last years Oscars. My main complaint is that Norton has never won.

Agreed. But hey...he DID get the best supporting nom first time out of the gate. Not many other actors can say that.

Anyway...the biggest academy mistake was the Matrix taking Best FX award away from George Lucas. Yeah, yeah...I know, we ALL hate Jar Jar Binks...but come on. How can people seriously believe that the effects in the Matrix were BETTER than the Phantom Menace?

(This was for the 2000 Oscar's awarding films released 1999. Not sure if this thread is aimed at 2001 Oscars only or not.)

[VicVega]

All I have to say is that THIS is Scorcese's year. The man has paid his dues and he deserves Best Director for GONY. The man has already been snubbed three times, so this is HIS year.

[MickeyKnox]

The Academy's biggest mistake is for not giving Goodfellas the Oscar for Best Picture i still have a gripe about that and for not giving Stanley Kubrick an Oscar nom for Best Director

[dr.gorman]

Not giving Kubrick any award for directing, writing, or producing or an honary award for him.

[Scarface King]

Originally posted by Razorblade Smile
Agreed. But hey...he DID get the best supporting nom first time out of the gate. Not many other actors can say that.

Anyway...the biggest academy mistake was the Matrix taking Best FX award away from George Lucas. Yeah, yeah...I know, we ALL hate Jar Jar Binks...but come on. How can people seriously believe that the effects in the Matrix were BETTER than the Phantom Menace?

(This was for the 2000 Oscar's awarding films released 1999. Not sure if this thread is aimed at 2001 Oscars only or not.) I can! The Matrix was like nothing most of America has seen, and it is spawned a huge following. Star Wars was just like always, nothing that special.

[bob]

Well, Citizen Kane not winning Best Director or editing is a crime, as is Samurai 1: Musashi Miyamoto taking the Best Foreign Language film award away from Seven Samurai in 1954.

Also, I really dislike a lot of the recent best picture winners:
A Beautiful Mind
Titanic
Shakespeare in Love
Gladiator
Braveheart
Dances with Wolves
Silence of the Lambs

And that's just in the 90's....

[Grebdron]

Shakespeare in Love winning over Saving Private Ryan. A joke.

[Jango Fett II]

I can! The Matrix was like nothing most of America has seen, and it is spawned a huge following. Star Wars was just like always, nothing that special.

Actually if you look at the quality and number of effects that have never been done before that was present in The Phantom Menace it was amazing in terms of effects. The movie on the other hand was a different story altogether. But to not recongnize the talent and artistry that was required to make the effects shots in that movie was a travesty in my opinion. The special effects in The Matrix had already been done before in GAP commercials in 1998, so it was nothing new. It doesn't matter what you thought about the movie "The Phantom Menace" the effects were breathtaking and much, much more revolutionary than those in The Matrix. However I would like to point out that I thought The Matrix was a much better movie than Phantom Menace was but that's not the point of this argument.

[Jango Fett II]

Some of the Biggest Academy Awards Blunders in my opinion were:

Star Wars not winning best picture in 1977

Saving Private Ryan not winning best picture in 1998

2001: A Space Odyssey not even getting nominated for best picture!

Lord of the Rings not winning best picture in 2001 (I thought A Beautiful Mind was a great picture though and was glad that it got recognized, I just thought LOTR was so good)

Ian McKellen not winning best actor

Titanic winning best picture

Brazil not even getting nominated for best picture in 1998

Raiders of the Lost Ark not winning best picture in 1981

Harrison Ford not winning best actor for Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981

Alec Guiness not winning best supporting actor for Star Wars

[rushmore beauty]

Baz Luhrman deserved Best Direcor for Moulin Rouge! (and he wasn't even nominated).
Sleepy Hollow should have won Best Cinematography over American Beauty.
Star Wars: A New Hope lost to Annie Hall (which is also a great film).
Johnny Depp wasn't nominated for Sleepy Hollow.
Tim Burton wasn't nominated for Ed Wood or Sleepy Hollow.
Steve Buscemi wasn't nominated for Ghost World (and he should have won).
LOTR: FOTR did not win Best Picture.
Russel Crow lost to Denzel Washington (A Beautiful Mind and Training Day)
Hollow Man didn't win for Best Special Effects.
Fargo did not win Best Picture.
As Good As It Gets did not win Best Picture (Titanic was a technical achievement, nothing more).
Helena Bonham Carter wasn't nominated for Fight Club.
Rick Baker didn't win Best make-Up for Planet of the Apes.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon lost to Gladiator for Best Picture.

[dh1989]

Leonardo DiCaprio has been snubbed so many times I've lost count. Let's see Titanic, Marvin's Room, The Basketball Diaries, Total Eclipse, This Boy's Life, and many more. He is the best actor working today, and he has only received one nomination. And that year, his brilliant performance as mentally-handicapped Arnie Grape was defeated by Tommy Lee Jones' bland performance in The Fugitive.

Also Titanic should've gotten something for the actors. Best Picture was deserved, but it needed more!

[bob]

Technically, Star Wars is a marvel. But emotionally and intellectually, it's hollow. Which Annie Hall is not. I think Annie Hall winning Best Picture is completely deserved, although I would have preferred having Manhattan win two years later.

[LAW]

Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn as Best Actress is enough of an insult to start a global viewer boycott of the Oscars.

I agree Leonardo Dicaprio in What's Eating Gilbert Grape was much more derserving than Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive.

I don't agree with all this "it's his time to win" or "they have paid their dues" crap in rationalizing the giving an award to someone who was snubbed in the past. Scorcese should have won for Goodfellas. He didn't. So "giving him the award for "Gangs" will make ammends? No way. He knows it, we know it. If I were Scorcese I would be embarrassed to walk up on that stage to take a best Director Oscar for "Gangs", not because it was a sub-par Scorcese movie. It's just the principle that an award is supposed to go to the best in the category fro that year, not to try and make an obvious past-snub "all-better".

[JCLC11]

Originally posted by dh1989
Leonardo DiCaprio has been snubbed so many times I've lost count. Let's see Titanic, Marvin's Room, The Basketball Diaries, Total Eclipse, This Boy's Life, and many more. He is the best actor working today, and he has only received one nomination. And that year, his brilliant performance as mentally-handicapped Arnie Grape was defeated by Tommy Lee Jones' bland performance in The Fugitive.

Also Titanic should've gotten something for the actors. Best Picture was deserved, but it needed more!

Stole the words from right out of my mouth!!!

[eraserhead_99]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Shakespeare in Love winning over Saving Private Ryan. A joke.

Thats the truth, Ruth. A far superior movie (SIL aint bad though). gwyneth Palthrow pisses me off.

[A.J. Hakari]

Julian Fellowes' GOSFORD PARK script winning over Christopher Nolan's MEMENTO.

No way. Just...no, no way.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Jango Fett II


Titanic winning best picture




Or to be more specific, Titanic winning over L.A. Confidential!



And Charlie Kaufman not winning Best ORIGINAL Screenplay for "Being John Malkovich". COME ON! Do these people know what ORIGINAL MEANS!?

[SAI]

Hoop Dreams not even being nominated for best documentary feature.
Aimee Mann not winning original song for Save Me

[Ren Hoek]

Lots of Oscars for Forrest Gump, but only one for Pulp Fiction (best screenplay, 1995).:mad:

[dannywalker17]

Originally posted by dr.gorman
Not giving Kubrick any award for directing, writing, or producing or an honary award for him.

That would definetely be their biggest mistake.

[Annie Hall]

Al Pacino not winning for Godfather Part II. Art Carney? *Get* real.

[The Delfonics]

Originally posted by VicVega
All I have to say is that THIS is Scorcese's year. The man has paid his dues and he deserves Best Director for GONY. The man has already been snubbed three times, so this is HIS year.

bah u havent seen it or else you would know he doesnt deserve it. Daniel Day Lewis is the only person from that movie that should get an award

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by The Delfonics
bah u havent seen it or else you would know he doesnt deserve it. Daniel Day Lewis is the only person from that movie that should get an award

I have to disagree. The film DOES deserve it!

[Voodoodoll]

Cate Blanchett losing out to Gwyneth Paltrow (!?!) instead of getting best actress for Eizabeth. :mad:

Titanic and Shakespeare in Love winning best film :( Neither the Ice Storm, Blue Velvet or Mullholland Drive getting enough nominations, never mind awards.

Def agree on Kubrick. Plus, Sigourney Weaver should have one by now :confused:

[sleekproductions]

Moulin Rouge nto winning best picture.

[KorovaJezebel]

Originally posted by RenHoek
Lots of Oscars for Forrest Gump, but only one for Pulp Fiction (best screenplay, 1995).:mad:

Damn straight. Poor Quentin, I know it's unlikely Kill Bill would take home any Oscars, but I've got my fingers crossed.

-Jez

[Trinity]

There have been so many, so we could all go on here all day, so instead of tryig to list them all, I'll just go with what is, in my opinion the biggest one - Julianne Moore not having an Oscar.
She was snubbed three times - twice for a win (in 1998 for "Boogie Nights" and in 2000 for "The End of the Affair") and once for a nomination (also in 2000 for "Magnolia"). It boggles the mind how an actress who has, over the past decade, consistently given such masterfull performances (and the three I listed are really just highlights of an amazing body of work) can still be without a major award (no Golden Globe either), and, if the upset at the Globes is any indication, will continue to be without one? I know I am not alone when I ask this - just what does she have to do to get that Oscar (or a Globe even)?

[A Canadian ThereWolf]

A couple that haven't been mentioned yet;

Shrek winning Best Animated Feature over Monster's Inc..

Julia Roberts in Erin Brockovich winning Best Actress over Ellen Burstyn in Requiem For A Dream.

[SIREN30]

There are too many to count. Most recently, I believe Baz Luhrman was shafted twice. Once for William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet (Danes shouldve been nominated also) and once for Moulin Rouge. He is a truly unique director who has set a whole new type of standard.

I also feel that Angela Lansbury's performance in The Manchurian Candidate is the single greatest female supporting performance ever and she too was neglected when awards time came.

[Razorblade Smile]

Originally posted by SIREN30
I also feel that Angela Lansbury's performance in The Manchurian Candidate is the single greatest female supporting performance ever and she too was neglected when awards time came.

Wow, I TOTALLY agree! Who woulda thought that "Mrs. Potts" could be such a dominating hariden eh? I LOVE her in that flick. What a creep!

[DRGONZO32]

That idiot Roberto Benigni winning best actor
A Beautiful Mind for Best Picture
Goodfellas not winning Best Picture
Scorcese never winning best Director
Lynch not winning best director for Mulholland

[pat00139]

Instead of going over all the Academy's idiocy, I'll just take some things people have said and either agree or disagree.

Brazil not even getting nominated for best picture in 1998
Sure, but Brazil was made in 1985.

Sleepy Hollow should have won Best Cinematography over American Beauty.
I'm glad American Beauty won, but I think Snow Falling on Cedars is one of the best examples of great cinematograhy ever put on film. I would've given it to that one.

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon lost to Gladiator for Best Picture
Absolutely.

Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn as Best Actress is enough of an insult to start a global viewer boycott of the Oscars
I wouldn't go so far as saying that, but Burstyn should've won.

Julian Fellowes' GOSFORD PARK script winning over Christopher Nolan's MEMENTO
Yes, absolutely. Gosford Park does have a great script, but Memento just has so much more meat on it.

And Charlie Kaufman not winning Best ORIGINAL Screenplay for "Being John Malkovich". COME ON! Do these people know what ORIGINAL MEANS!?
Absolutely, but I am glad Alan Ball won, though.

Hoop Dreams not even being nominated for best documentary feature
Amen. Regularly regarded as one of the best movies (let alone documentary) of the 1990s, and it wasn't even nominated? What the hell is that?

Not giving Kubrick any award for directing, writing, or producing or an honary award for him.
That's true, but he did win an Oscar for 2001, though. Granted, it's only a special effects Oscar, but it's stil an Oscar.

Al Pacino not winning for Godfather Part II. Art Carney? *Get* real
I agree about the fact Art Carney shouldn't have won, but I find Dustin Hoffman was amazing as Lenny Bruce, and he should've won. The Academy had an insane category that year, Al Pacino, Dustin Hoffman, Jack Nicholson (in Chinatown, no less), Albert Finney (Murder on the Orient Express) , and Art Carney. I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision

Julianne Moore: She was snubbed three times - twice for a win (in 1998 for "Boogie Nights" and in 2000 for "The End of the Affair") and once for a nomination (also in 2000 for "Magnolia").
Yeah, and how about Magnolia getting only 3 friggin nominations? That movie was worth a lot more than 3 nods. Cider House Rules? Gimme a break. I guess on the Academy's defense you could say that there were so many good movies that year, but still... Cider House Rules? Stupid Miramax.

[Jango Fett II]

Brazil not even getting nominated for best picture in 1998

I'm sorry I meant 1985.

[ilovemovies]

[i]Originally posted by pat00139 [/i



1.Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon lost to Gladiator for Best Picture
Absolutely.





2.Julian Fellowes' GOSFORD PARK script winning over Christopher Nolan's MEMENTO
Yes, absolutely. Gosford Park does have a great script, but Memento just has so much more meat on it.

3. And Charlie Kaufman not winning Best ORIGINAL Screenplay for "Being John Malkovich". COME ON! Do these people know what ORIGINAL MEANS!?
Absolutely, but I am glad Alan Ball won, though.







4. Julianne Moore: She was snubbed three times - twice for a win (in 1998 for "Boogie Nights" and in 2000 for "The End of the Affair") and once for a nomination (also in 2000 for "Magnolia").
Yeah, and how about Magnolia getting only 3 friggin nominations? That movie was worth a lot more than 3 nods. Cider House Rules? Gimme a break. I guess on the Academy's defense you could say that there were so many good movies that year, but still... Cider House Rules? Stupid Miramax. [/B]


1. Both Crouching Tiger and Gladiator were great but between those two Gladiator was slightly better. But actually of the five best picture nominees Traffic was the best one. The real travesty of that year was that Almost Famous wasn't even nominated for best picture when not only it should have but it should have won as well. I also think Wonder Boys, Cast Away and Thirteen Days should have replaced Chocolat, Crouching Tiger and Erin Brockovich and Gladiator. (actually if Gladiator stayed instead of Thirteen Days I would have been fine with that). I also so much wanted to see Kate Hudson win instead Marcia Gay Harden. And how could the academy not nominate Michael Douglas for his wonderful performance in Wonder Boys. That was just a travesty.

2. Hell yeah. Gosford Park was supremely overrated. Memento definately deserved it or The Royal Tenenbaums. A win from either of those two would have made me happy. Alas, that didn't happen.

3. American Beauty definately deserved it more than Malkovich. Malkovich was certainly original, but it left me feeling empty in the end. It just doesn't add up to much in the end for me. It felt hollow.

4. Magnolia did deserve a best picture nomination but so did The Cider House Rules. Actually, I loved all five films nominated for best picture so I wasn't angry at all. My list would have been a little different but still that was the one year in which I loved all the movies that were nominated.


Ok, but the BIGGEST mistake the academy has EVER done, and it's a real dosey, is:

Shakespear in Love winning best picture when everyone knows it rightfully belonged to Saving Private Ryan

I also agree with the person who said of Martin Scorsese never winning best director. The good news is the academy can and hopefully will fix that this year.

And then there was the best picture nomination for The Full Monty.

[Dietrich]

Whoopi Goldberg should have gotten the best actress Oscar back in 1986.. She was simply amazing as Celie in 'The Color Purple'..

[freakandgeek]

awarding kim basinger for la confidential. i love that movie, but she has no talent.

[Hannibal21]

Originally posted by bob
Well, Citizen Kane not winning Best Director or editing is a crime

Agreed. In fact, I think Citizen Kane not winning best picture or actor is a crime. It should've gotten so much more. That's the best film ever made, no other movie even comes close. :mad:

For me, I'd have to say Roberto Benigni winning best actor in 1998 over Ian McKellen, Tom Hanks, Nick Nolte, Edward Norton. What does everyone see in this talentless rat? :mad:

[ColinM]

I'd say Citizen Kane should have won Best Director, definitely. That direction was revolutionary and really quite spectacular for the time. I wouldn't say it deserves Best Picture for that year, though, I'd say The Maltese Falcon deserves that.

But Citizen Kane is probably the second-biggest mistake of the Academy's. The first is screwing Ingrid Bergman out of a nomination for Best Actress for Casablanca. She most certainly should have won, and she didn't even get nominated! :(

[DRGONZO32]

Originally posted by eraserhead_99
Of course without saying its obviously kubrick, hitchcock, and scorcese getting little or no awards for their tremendous talent. Also david lynch shoulda won best director for mulholland drive, and that shoulda also won best picture. and ron howard should NOT have won best director. He is the most overrated director out there.

Opinions?

I completely agree about Ron Howard, and to take it farther, A Beautiful Mind was nowhere near the top as best movie of the year. All of the other nominees for Best Picture were better, plus a few that weren't nominated, like Memento.

[ColinM]

I think Ron Howard deserved the nomination, but the fifth slot if it were up to me; definitely not the win. Ridley Scott and Peter Jackson were more worthy nominations, and Christopher Nolan and Baz Luhrmann should have been nominated above him.

By the way, Baz Luhrmann not even getting a Best Director nomination for Moulin Rouge (10/10) is a horrible horrible thing. The movie is so fast-paced and active that the whole movie could have feel apart very easily, but Baz made it work. That alone warrented a nomination, and in reality he should have won.

(While I'm at it, though, A Beautiful Mind (9/10) deserved the Best Picture nomination, but once again it was the fifth slot. LOTR: FOTR (9/10) and especially Moulin Rouge were more deserving, and Amelie (9/10) and Memento (10/10) should have gotten nominations above it.)

[neco82]

GOSFORD PARK winning Best Screenplay over MEMENTO... Christopher Nolan made what was probably one of the most original, thought-provoking and shocking thrillers of the decade, and it lost to a bunch of stuffy Brits running around a mansion.

TITANIC wasn't a bad movie (Just way overhyped) and, maybe it deserved Best Picture... but I liked L.A. CONFIDENTIAL a whole lot more...

Ridley Scott should have won for BLACK HAWK DOWN... not any director can keep such a high level of tension for two whole hours... I applaud the man for that, maybe if the movie had gotten more nominations it would have had a chance...

Johnny Depp or Ray Liotta not getting noticed for their awesome performances in BLOW... of course, I just saw the movie last night, so it's still floating around in my head...

[Ren Hoek]

Doesn't the fact that Singin in the Rain didn't get a single oscar and An American in Paris got a dozen or so one year earlier (because the academy was obviously worried about the fact that there were too may awards for musicals in the 50s) prove that this whole fuckin Oscar ceremony has always been about film politics and less concerned with the actual artistry... I could think of another 1,000 examples for unjustified Oscars... Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinnie? Screenplay oscar for the guy who wrote Batman and Robin? No Oscars for Kubrick and Hitchcock? Gimme a break!!!

[Iceybox]

hmm..let me see here..
for
1. Citizen Kane not winning every award it was up for and didn't receive. (Best Picture, Actor, Director, etc, etc)

2. Kaufman not winning Best Original for Malkovich.

3. Shawkshank Redemption or Pulp Fiction not winning Best Picture over friggin' Forrest Gump.

4. John Cusack not being nominated for The Grifters.

5. Martin Scorsese not winning a Best Director Oscar. even though he'll win this year.

6. Kubrick not winning an Oscar for anything but visual effects.

7. Titanic winning Best Pic. L.A. Confidential was far superior.
In relation to that gripe, Crowe should've been nominated for Best Supporting, and I don't think Basinger should've been nominated, let alone win, but that's just me.

I have many gripes. Too many to name.