Living with Michael Jackson

[JoBlo]

Did anybody watch this fascinating documentary on ABC's 20/20 tonight? Wow. I really don't know what think of this guy anymore. The only TV I ever watch is biographies, talk shows and shit like this and I have to say...I'm speechless.

For anyone who watched it, what do you think of Jackson now? Do you think he's just a goof? An overgrown man-child? An idiot? A liar? A phony? A great talent? All of the above?

I personally came out of it with a greater sadness for the man. The guy interviewing him was a bigger dick though, as he "tried" to make shit seem ssssoooooooooooo much worse than they were ("Then there was the HUMILIATION at the awards show in Germany!!!"). Dude, he just misheard the guy call his name....calm the fuck down!!

I do think he's EXTREMELY naive about the world around him though and not sure if he's "right in the head" to raise his own kids on his own, but I don't buy all that "molesting" shite.

[edonline]

The molestation charges aside, 40 year old mean do not sleep in the same bed with children. The only adults who do sleep with children in the same bed are their parents, and the majority of them stop when their children are fairly young. I don't know if it was the presentation, but I think on the whole, the show just made MJ look a lot weirder.

[Jayen]

Remember the 80's when Prince & Boy George were considered weirder than MJ? Now, the former 2 actually look more sane than MJ. I think MJ's gonna die a recluse, something like Howard Hughes...if he keeps doing things the way he's doing em now

[The Other]

Yes, it was very sad. And it's so blatantly obvious why he is that way. His father for one and also being a child star. He probably acts like a grown-kid because he never had a childhood and he changed his face because of all the names he was called (his own father for one -- what a sick man).

And I agree about the Germany awards show...a simple mistake that the interviewer blew out of proportion. :rolleyes:

[Scarface98.9]

And this is the guy who did Billie Jean? That song was one of my favorite songs of all time, but it's weird to see what has happened with him. Weird examples:

Jackson claimed to be "Peter Pan at heart." The way he said it is very uneasy.

The fact he makes his kids wear burkas.

He still likes to climb trees and engage in water balloon fights more than anything (including sex).

Denying ever having plastic surgery.

I really don't know what to think honestly

[BakeTheMooCow]

I didn't see the interview but I found this document online. I don't know how much truth there is to this.. bu its sickening esp. pages 3 and 4. Beware

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/mjdec1.html

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
I didn't see the interview but I found this document online. I don't know how much truth there is to this.. bu its sickening esp. pages 3 and 4. Beware

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/mjdec1.html

Wow, that is some freaky shit. Especially about him crying and saying there was nothing wrong with that, because sickeningly enough I could see him reacting that way.

I think from this TV special, I have realized even more just how insane he is. I mean, he denies having massive amounts of plastic surgery, but he obviously isn't fooling anyone. Why lie about it? I think he might be so crazy that he can distort things that actually happen and convince himself otherwise.

But seriously, if he lies about something as insignificant as plastic surgery, then why should we believe that he never touched any of these kids who slept over his house?

[Michael_myers]

Yeah that site you gave us dude, that was pretty fucked up. Not a good thing to read before you go skiing! Now Ill fall off the mountain!

[PrettyInPink]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9 He still likes to climb trees and engage in water balloon fights more than anything (including sex).

Without getting deep into this i would like to say with regard to the climbing trees quote, i felt that MJ was saying he enjoyed climbing trees and water balloon fights more than anything (hobby wise). I remember Bashir being the one who said "better than sex" and MJ answered something along the lines of "better than anything socially". They werent MJ's exact words but its the way definetly that sort of conversation.

Bashir was the one in my opinion who was saying that quote and he also mislead people on many other quotes MJ made.

Im still confused about this programme and am not ready to condemn MJ just yet.

;)

[BadCoverVersion]

I can't take this anymore...NOT another rant, I'm all spent.

Please see my comments in "Celebrities you just want to slap"...

;)

[urbanlegend23]

I think Michael Jackson needs to be put in an institution. I am being honest here, he is truly and utterly insane in every single way. I remember seeing him saying "what's wrong with sharing your bed with a child? It's the most loving thing you can ever do." 40-year-olds do not share their beds with children. That's just really dodgy. Michael Jackson seems to be living in a world far away from this one and I think he needs some serious help and seriously soon.

[Razorblade Smile]

Hard to believe its the same guy eh?

http://www.unitedworldchart.de/jackson-michael.jpg

http://www.michaeljackson.com.mx/images1/images/Michael%20Jackson-%20Thriller_jpg.jpg

http://www.gwn.com.au/includes/images/textimages/1119487055.jpg

http://www.jokesandhumor.com/jokes/pictures/apes.jpg

[Dude]

Yes... those still in a "NEVERLAND" of denial, by ALL MEANS, head over to the other thread, regarding this freakshow, and play in a fantasy world version of a "persecuted and misunderstood" of Michael Jackson.... :p


Those who dont despise the blinding light of TRUTH, and can COPE with FACTS, go to the link posted here by Bakethemoocow, and decide for yourself... thanks for the link by the way! ;)


O.J didnt do it & Jacko isnt a pedo.... Okaaaaayyyyyyyy.
:rolleyes:


Funny how the Culkins and none of the other kiddie celebs are REFUSING to comment on this interview....or have NEVER commented in defense of "Peter Pan"...

Gee, I'd think my "FRIENDS" would come to my defense. ;)

How bizarre is it that Uri Gellar.. a DEFROCKED Psychic "spoon bender" (who was frauded out by Johhny Carson in the 80's) is the SPOKESMAN for Jackson. :p

I actually heard him (Uri) on the news today, state: "Michael is a PURE SOUL.... he's had children with CANCER come to him, and they've been CURED... If going to Jackson can cure children of Cancer, I'd send ALL the sick children to Michael Jackson"

..Man, this just gets better as it goes along...

:D

[vastlynne]

My reaction varied throughout the show from disturbed to pity to finally bitter saddness for this poor man.

I'm no psychiatrist, but he's clearly suffering from mental illness of some sort...anybody can see that. He's obviously not in tune with the rest of the world and how society works in this day and age. He's living in his own world.

By the way, that reporter was just the biggest asshole i've ever seen. It's one thing to badger and ask very personal questions but it's another when he's clearly provoking MJ to break down and to make him uncomfortable all for the sake of journalism. I'm all for freedom of press but I think this guy crossed the line.

All in all, very VERY interesting show...quite bizarre at times but makes for great entertainment. :D Wish there was some more of that final interview where they said they only showed 20% of it and the rest was cut out due to MJ's breakdown.

[ec_winton]

I dont believe that Michael Jackson is a child molester at all I do think that he needs serious emotional/mental attention for his Peter Pan complex. He just wants to be a big kid forever and in the real world where people want to grow up so quickly, his opinions just dont fly...

[Bullet Tooth Tony]

I have to say how upsetting the documentary was. The man is seriously mentally ill, he still believes that he is a child. Living a dream world.

When he said that his father used to beat him if he made a step wrong and how he said he was ugly made me feel nothing but sympathy for the dude. You can now see why he wears a mask and makes his poor children do the same.

He is no child molester. If my son was being molested I'd want the fucker in jail, no amount of money could convince me that he didnt deserve locking up. That shows what a fucking joke those claims were.

Martin Bashir could have handled the interview better, you could see that Jacko was genuinely upset at the end he trusted him but I'm sure when Michael Jackson agreed to do the doc he didnt sugar coat it.

However, holding a 12 year old boys hand on television is not the right thing to do especially with previous allegations still fresh in most peoples memory. Giving parasites the opportuniry to get something out of him, like that old bitch who wants to get more money out of him. She just needs to get laid by the looks of things.

The problem with MJ is that he lives in his own little world and needs help to overcome his childhood traumas. The documentary just made me feel even sadder for the man.

[Corporal_Hicks]

Michael Jackson is scairer than Marilyn Manson to me. That voice, the face, it is creepy.
That document BakeTheMooCow posted has made me loose the little respect I had for him after watching the documentary. He had a rough life and what he went through as a child could make anyone a little crazy. I know he is beign decieving about the plastic surgery, and I think he has gone further than simply sharing a bed with children. So what should we do to MJ? Leave him alone or keep bothering him?
I don't really care, I am divided on this issue, a part of me is with him and a part of me isn't. I am not a fan of his music and never was, so if they keep invading his privacy or not regardless of him being a pedo or not isn't much of my concern.

[bob]

Well, I personally don't buy that he molested children, but I still think he's a freak. Maybe a superfreak.....no, just a freak.

[Michael_myers]

well, I didn't die (obviously) but I did think of Jacko today. I thought of how he must really be mentally ill, need serious help and shit like that. The dude's fucked, but in a sympathetic way, not a sickening marilyn-I love to suck dick on stage and piss on the crowd-Manson.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by JoBlo


I personally came out of it with a greater sadness for the man. The guy interviewing him was a bigger dick though, as he "tried" to make shit seem ssssoooooooooooo much worse than they were ("Then there was the HUMILIATION at the awards show in Germany!!!"). Dude, he just misheard the guy call his name....calm the fuck down!!

I do think he's EXTREMELY naive about the world around him though and not sure if he's "right in the head" to raise his own kids on his own, but I don't buy all that "molesting" shite.

Eh mon, thats my thoughts exactly. I feel so sorry for the man, because that was very cruel of the editors of the documentary to blow this thing up to make Jackson seem 100x times more insane then he is. Yes, he is out there, and does need mental help, but don't be so deceived by this documentary. Poor guy, put his trust in the interviewer and just gets destroyed, he must feel so lonely.

[BakeTheMooCow]

I finally saw the interview, albeit bits of it. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. Whatever he has done is all HIS fault. He had it all and he chose to throw it away. He may still be rich and famous but, in my eyes atleast, I can't respect the man. I think he's a sick, twisted child-molesting freak. The interview and the article I linked aren't what swayed my thoughts. I've had this opinion for a long time now.

Is he lonely? Maybe. Do I care? Fuck no.

[boggie]

well, I don't believe that Chandler at all to begin with, there were some discrepancies(sp?) in his story, like "he kissed me while sticking his tongue in my ear". MJ was lying to Bashir at some times and telling the truth at others, so Bashir had to keep probing to get to the truth. PLUS, he said that he slept on the floor while other people slept in his bed. He has a lot of problems, he had no childhood and he is possibly gay, which he may not even be aware of. There is no real solution to his problems, but he does a lot of good work, and as long as no one gets hurt (and there is no real evidence that anyone has), whats the problem?

[Dude]

"No real evidence of people being hurt"


1. Child silence bought for $47 mil
2. Child silence bought for $15 mil
3. Baby dangling from 5-7 stories
4. Kids other than his own sharing his bed (with him IN the bed as well as out)

5. Court document of sexual abuse
6. His sex organs matching description of childs recollection

"No real evidence of people being hurt"

"Spluh"?????

:confused:

[PrettyInPink]

Originally poste by Dude "No real evidence of people being hurt"1. Child silence bought for $47 mil 2. Child silence bought for $15 mil 3. Baby dangling from 5-7 stories 4. Kids other than his own sharing his bed (with him IN the bed as well as out) 5. Court document of sexual abuse 6. His sex organs matching description of childs recollectionNo real evidence of people being hurt"Spluh"?????


With all due respect i dont see any real evidence here at all.
Child silence can not be bought, as i have said before no parent would allow their child, who had been in any way interfered with to be bought. If i was you i would check the credibility of the childs parents. As for baby dangling. Please. The baby was in no more danger from MJ as you and i are. He was showing his child to his fans, anyone who watched this could see it was all a hyped up peace of crap. The kids MJ shared his bed with where the Culkins when they were small. I dont hear any of them shouting CHILD ABUSE. He never said he shared a bed with the child in the interview, he said he slept on the floor even though the child had said they could share the bed. Those were the childs words by the way. If he wanted to do anything, why didnt they sleep together?
There is no proof of sexual abuse, if there was then a case would have been brought against MJ. No police or anyone dealing in child abuse would let this happen if there was hard evidence against the guy. As for Jordy Chandler describing MJ private parts, im not sure i believe that.

What i do see is that once these parents were paid off, who ever heard of them complaining again. I know i would never give up slating, harrasing, stalking and generally making this guys life a living nightmare if he ever had touched my kids. Think about it, if your a parent you would understand.

[gordzilla]

MJ's fucked in the head but on a lighter not, does anyone remember the Moonwalker game? Check this out, it's pretty funny: http://www.videogamedc.com/Pixeled_Parodies/Moonwalker/moonwalker.html

[Dude]

Prettyinpink,

With respect to you as well,

I see where you are coming from... you cant, wont, and refuse to believe that there are parents out there who wouldnt let their silence be bought for ANY amount... I wish WE ALL could believe that... but unfortunately, this IS a world filled with MISERABLE and misguided people. Again, I mean this in a VERY (UNINSULTING and respectful way)... but all one has to do is watch the news, read the paper, watch news shows such as 20/20, dateline, 60 minutes, I dont think your naiveness would last too long.... cause there ARE people who accept payouts for silence due to sexual abuse... heard about this little thing called priest sex scandels lately? ;)
They are EXACTLY about parents letting their silence be bought for cash instead of bringing out sexual allegations... the reason they are all coming to light NOW, is that these children are now grown up and dont have to worry about their parents telling them to keep quiet anymore.... and sorry to say, but if you can believe the priest stuff happens... which it does... then you CANT look the other way at a celebrity... celebrities dont deserve anymore of a free ride than clergy do. I'm almost in shock that you cant believe parents accept money for silence.... :confused:

[KillerKlown]

The guy has some serious issues - I was cringing when he went on his shopping spree, I mean he was spending hundreds of thousands on the most kitsch, tacky items I've ever seen and what was all that shit in his LA hotel room about?? The life-size mannequins and the little granny wheelchair he rides about - that's just strange.

After watching it I don't believe that MJ is a paedophille - he has some really serious issues, but I don't think that he is at all sexual in any way - he's just like a 5yr old kid in that aspect.

As for the spiel he was spouting about only having two operations on his nose, well I was surprised that he managed to keep a staight face (what's left of it) while telling such a blatant lie.

[Dignan]

Did you guys hear when he talked about staying in the same bed as Macauly and Kieran Culkin?

I guess that gives new meaning to the term Igby Goes Down .:D

In horrible taste(pun intended) I know.;)

[PrettyInPink]

With out quoting all your stuff Dude, cause basically ive just got up and have major hangover and dont think i would do it properly, i understand what your saying.

Im not niave, in the fact that there is some major badness in this world and i am definetly not defending him because he is a celibrity. Believe you and me thats the last reason i would defend anyone. With regard to the parents being paid off i just think that any parent who would do that is worse that the abuser itsself. If they could take money to have their child silenced then they should never have been parents in the first place. They dont deserve the honour. Its just not something i could imagine happening to someone who loves their chidren.;)

I cant proove MJ is innocent but feel he needs some support, im not even a true fan. By all means lets call him a freak, a wierdo, not normal, screwed up. But lets not use the harsh words of child abuser without hard evidence.

His career is over, we all know that. But lets say he is innocent of any wrong doings to children, lets say he genuinley treats them better than they have ever been treated before, loved like brothers or sisters. If the allegations had not been made about him, then maybe the guy would still be doing what he did best, making great music. Because lets face it fan or no fan he was amazing. And if he did no wrong, then thoses GOLDDIGGERS took anway from him everything.

As for priest sex scandals. Thats another debate.:D :D :D

[Toby]

Michael Jackson makes me ashamed to be white...;)

[James Logan]

I've downloaded the documentary off Internet, I read the links supplied by the Schmoes in this thread, I checked out a few Internet sites, and here's what I honestly think.

I really feel sorry for MJ. Sure, the man's a freak, he's crazy -- wouldn't have created all the great stuff he created if he wasn't. Sure he basically still thinks he's a kid in the grown-up world, he doesn't want to grow up, and he lives in his own little universe, a Neverland that's very different from the real world. Sure he's got a mental problem, yes he's disturbed. Sure he's lying about the plastic surgery thing. But consider what he's been through as a kid and since he was a kid -- can't you say you understand it in a way? Don't you feel sympathy for the poor guy?

But the child molesting thing? I mean come on...I just can't imagine the guy doing something like that. The guy's disturbed, but he wouldn't hurt anyone, and I don't think he ever did. And besides, even if Sigmund Freud claims all psychological torments have a sexual origin, I don't believe MJ's mental disturbance is sexual in any way. The man's just a grown-up kid who's talented enough to actually act like one -- he's no pedophil. Not in my opinion, anyway, and of course I could be wrong, but I'll consider myself wrong when I'll be proven wrong. And up to now, I haven't seen any convincing evidence -- what Dude talked about doesn't convince me a single second (US's evidence of Iraq being a menace is more solid, but that's another story ;) ) and that deposition by that Chandler kid doesn't seem right to me. As Boggie pointed out, a couple of things in the text were incoherent.

That's my two cents, and I'm sticking to 'em. As long as no court of law proves MJ is a child molester, I'll keep standing by the man, because all I feel for him is pity, sympathy, and sadness.

[Dude]

Toby,

I agree..

He's making us "white folk" look bad! :D


Honest America... us white people aint all like that! :p

[Mr. Orange]

What happened at the awards show that was so humiliating?

Anyways...I feel bad for the guy. The interviewer was an ass!
I don't think that he is a child molester, he is just trying to make up for the childhood that he never had.

[Michael_myers]

Good points everyne. The Chandler kid, something about what he read wasn't right. And thats why I didn't kill myself skiing :D

[paul calf]

well i cannot make my mind up about jacko,i think the guy has serious delusions if he see's no wrong in a 44 yr old sleeping with kids(not saying that i was thinking he is haveing sex,but would never swear that i dont either).
he has grown from a cute black kid into a white woman who says its all natural wtf is that about,if he can lie about his plastic features he can lie about anythin.
i am convinced that those kids are not his,i think he bought them with his millions and paid their mothers to stay away.

[Dietrich]

I've only got a couple of things to add..

I do think it's a shame that nobody mentiones his musical genius anymore. When he was in his twenties (and before) that is what he was! The whole Thriller and Off The Wall albums are genius! He composed stuff that will be conservatoire lesson material for the next century. And all this without reading one single note. When he was working on 'Off The Wall' he and Q(uincy Jones) produced all the songs together and made use of some studio-musicians. Those people all had simular experiences with Jackson:

'Hey Michael, you got some sheet music for track 2?' Michael:'Ehm, actually, ehm, nope. But I got it all in my head! If you just play this tadum-dum-dum-tata-dum-ta-dum, I'll put in the horns later with a contra-melody!'
'Get real Michael, if it's all the same to you I would like some sheet music to prepare a bit..?' Michael:'Like I said, there is no sheet music, sorry.' *musician goes over to Q*:'What the F..!? What am I supposed to do without sheet music, that boy's insane! Is this for real!!?' To which Q replied:'Just trust me, this guy is gonna go trough the roof..'
Just imagine his genius.. Just imagine all those songs being stuck in your head.. It took quite a while before he was allowed to record his own album, that boy was the breadwinner of the family since the age of 6.. Imagine the pressure..

This is what happens to people when they are over-talented, over-rich, had no childhood, and grew up in a disfunctional family.. What would you do if you were unhappy and excessively rich? You would buy stupid things, lock yourself up in your grandiose house, hire people that don't question anything that you do, and live 'YOUR' life, how weird it may be.. Money can buy anything, even things that are totally wrong, like pay-offs for parents who's child has been molested, whatever the defenition of 'child-molestation' may be..

I don't think it's surprising what is happening to Michael Jackson, it's a 'logical' reaction to his fucked up past.. He persistently wants to be 'Peter Pan', and he has the money to achieve it. I wish I didn't have to grow up, hell if I had that kind of money I wouldn't go anywhere! I would definately build my own cinema and watch movies every day, be society-shy and avoid people.. Because you know what? In general, people are not that nice..

[jodman]

I'm not gonna get too deep into this but i just wanted to say that it is very easy for the media to put a slant on any story - especially one featuring such a controversial individual as Michael jackson.
I was shocked by the show but still reserve judgement as to how much things were taken out of context.

[bondish]

I just saw the documentary a few nights ago on new zealand tv, it shocking....

[Grebdron]

Okay, I now have a real problem with this. Michael is now calling Martin Bashir "the worst journalist in the world." His attorney made a statement that Bashir gained Michael's trust, then put his own slant on the broadcast. They claim the broadcast made Michael look like a child molester.

You know what? I couldn't disagree more. Bashir said at least a dozen times that in the 8 months he spent with Michael, he never once saw any improper behavior. Michael's actions made Michael look like a child molester, not the reporting.

[Dude]

Holy shit Grebdron...

We're now at 2 AGREES! :eek:

This could lead to something.... :p

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Dude
Holy shit Grebdron...

We're now at 2 AGREES! :eek:

This could lead to something.... :p

What's the world coming to?;)

[boggie]

OK, I can't remember where I read this, but basically there is such thing as a non-action paedophile, a paedophile who doesn't realise that he is a paedophile, who loves children, thinks they love him in return and never finds them sexually attractive, just really close friends. Apparently, that guy that wrote Peter Pan (JM Barrie?) was one, can't remember the other examples.

[Martha]

Originally posted by JoBlo
("Then there was the HUMILIATION at the awards show in Germany!!!"). Dude, he just misheard the guy call his name....calm the fuck down!!



i have no idea what this is about....
someone care to explain?
:)

[James Logan]

Originally posted by boggie
OK, I can't remember where I read this, but basically there is such thing as a non-action paedophile, a paedophile who doesn't realise that he is a paedophile, who loves children, thinks they love him in return and never finds them sexually attractive, just really close friends. Apparently, that guy that wrote Peter Pan (JM Barrie?) was one, can't remember the other examples.

I think I read something about that somewhere too, maybe in one of the psychoanalysis books I've been reading non stop for the past three months. If MJ is a paedophile (which I still personally doubt he is), then it's gotta be that kind he is -- or my (screen)name isn't James Logan.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Martha
i have no idea what this is about....
someone care to explain?
:)

Michael was receiving an award at a German show. They were speaking German, so when he heard his name, he started to walk onto the stage. It was too early. They were just announcing the award, and were going to bring on the presenter.

I think the only thing that made it humiliating was Michael's reaction. When he realized it was too early, he dropped to the floor like a grenade had gone off, and remained there for a while.

[idealdiscountdude]

Poor Michael!

All I can say is that I feel so sorry for him. He seems as if he is in another world, clueless to society's "rights" and "wrongs".

I do not for one instant believe he has or will ever molest a child, it just doesn't seem like it is in him. I honestly think that he indeed thinks of himself as a child, like Peter Pan....never wanting to grow up.

This would explain why all of his close friends are former child stars like himself, those who had successful, but difficult childhoods and who began working at a young age, like him. Caases in point Elizabeth Taylor and Macauley Culkin.

I for one think that the interviewer, Bashir, was totally out of line and disrespectful during the Primetime interview. Michael befriended him, brought him into him home and life for 8 months, and seemed to be a friend to the King of Pop. And now, he , Bashir, totally goes off on him. Bashir is a prick, Michael is a poor, tormented soul, who seems to be a loving yet dillusional man.

[boggie]

Bashir "befriended" him to get the truth in the interviews, which he certainly didn't get on some points (plastic surgery, anyone?)

[boggie]

I heard a rumour that Jacko is going to shoot his own documentary. He really doesn't know how to help himself, does he?

[Cyclonus]

I...missed it. When can I catch it again?

[Razorblade Smile]

I would probably feel bad for Michael Jackson if I wasn't convinced that he brought everything down upon himself. It's his own fault.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Cyclonus
I...missed it. When can I catch it again?

They've been replaying it ad nauseum on VH1.

[Cyclonus]

I don't have cable. *hangs head in shame*

[Spidey]

This makes me sick , not MJ but the press. They never mention a word of the million and million of dollars MJ has donated to charities. Does anybody remember that a large part of the profit of his 'Heal The World' tour went to children in need ? No, the only thing people remember are the stories that tabloids made up.
So what if MJ looks or acts weird , I don't see Britney or J Lo donating any money.
Oh yes , I thought 'Invincible' was pretty good.

[7 Zark 7]

Michael is a wily guy he is. He is a silly and weird asshole. Y'know he was good friends with Paul McCartney and even collaborated on a couple of songs. Paul McCartney tries to buy the rights to the "Beatles" music and Michael, like a silly asshole, outbids Paul and later tells him "It's only business." What a jerk! He also lies about the plastic sugery so all this tells me he has the talent to be a great deceiver and believes what he wants to believe to be right and true.

[Dude]

Man, that was some fucked up shit Jacko pulled on Paul....Paul to this day just shakes his head and says, "low blow"

The other bullshit thing Jacko has pulled is publically calling the head of Sony, EVIL & DEVILISH.. when the Rev Al (I'll do anything for a buck) Sharpton heard him do this, even HE backed off in being supportive of Jacko. Its not Sony's fault his last album sucked ass... they put $30 million behind that thing, and all the album made was $2 million. The dude, aside from being many "other" things is a MAJOR backstabber to people who thought they were his friends. Its a good thing Michael is big in Europe... he can share billing with David Hasseloff. :D

[NuclearMisfit]

When do you know when it is time for bed at michael jacksons house??


hightlight: When the big hand touches the little hand.

[NuclearMisfit]

Michael was just bitching about his "Tribute to 9-11" album not selling so well and he blamed the head honcho of his record company for being racist, heres my question Why michael would you want to make money off a national tradgedy? thats really fucking sick and what does Al Sharpton know him and Jesse Jackson are both dumbasses who just want to just want to make a big deal about everything. I think hes just doing it all for attention because his album sells just stink.

[happy OUT here]

It just floors me that people have a problem accepting when a celebrity has criminal behavior. "He wouldn't hurt anyone"?
The man does not believe he is hurting someone! He feels it is what the whole world needs more of. He is obviously disturbed, and an obvious liar. His lying is incredulous...."my face was still changing" (in his 20's) was a laugh.

I see people saying he is a liar and sick, yet would never sexually abuse any child. The 44 year old man is sleeping with children. The 12 year old boy on film was not behaving as if Michael were a buddy, or even a PARENT figure to him.

As far as Bashir - BRAVO!!!! MJ thinks he can slide all this crap by us, as if WE are children in Neverland. Good for the reporter to not do what everyone else in this well protected world of his does....play along!

[Dude]

When I seen that 12/13 year old boy holding Jackos hand and putting his head on Jackos shoulder like they were boyfriend & boyfriend, the fucking willies started in my toes and went right up my spine..... and the mother thinks its BASHIR who did the EXPLOITING????? *ugh...

Ya know, theres a saying that ones' INITIAL (GUT) reaction is usually the correct reaction when feeling someone out.. it was like my BRAIN was in my GUT and saying OVER & OVER:

These 2 have been INTIMATE....

And when Bashir told Jacko, "but you're a 44 year old man"... that kid butted in and said, "no he's not, he's 4"!...*shudder* to think how that boy is brainwashed.

Somebody PLEASE tell Jackson that there are NO MORE KIDS IN THE WORLD.... so he'll do us a favor and take that flying LEAP off the balcony he promised.

[Razorblade Smile]

Man, this guy doesn't know when to quit.

From IMDB.

"Michael Jackson's upcoming damage limitation TV special will prove he didn't lie about his cosmetic surgery, instead showing journalist Martin Bashir held back the truth. Jackson secretly filmed Bashir while the Brit made the controversial Living With Michael Jackson documentary - and now the singer is hoping to discredit the journalist. American broadcaster Maury Povich, who will present the special Michael Jackson Take 2: The Interview They Wouldn't Show You from the star's Neverland Ranch home on Thursday, admits Bashir's editing left the pop star looking foolish. The Povich-presented special will feature Jackson's full answers to questions that were cut by Bashir's crew, and Povich is sure it will clear up the confusion about the King Of Pop's plastic surgery. Jacko was publicly mocked for insisting he had only had two cosmetic surgeries on his nose, but Povich says, "Our footage shows him adding, 'Except for what they had to do with me when I was in the Pepsi ad fire.' His full answer was in the Bashir interview and they edited it out."

Nobody cares how many plastic surgeries he's had. He's ugly either way. What's the point in putting together a rebuttal interview just to dispute it?

[someguy]

I saw some clips of the counter attack special and it's just ridiculous. When I heard that they were going to show a clip where Bashir was praising Mike's parenting I thought that's obious because if he said he was a bad parent he's kick him out. But when I saw the clip I thought he went overboard. He weeps when he sees him with his children?? And his wife's interview makes her seem as cuckoo as Jacko. She says that the kids were a "gift to Michael" and doesn't let the kids call her mom because they're Michael's children,not hers. I'm gonna see the special to see how it turns out.

Oh yeah,about the Pepsi ad thing with the surgeries,if you look from then and now,he's still changed too much.

[Dude]

The burns he suffered in the Pepsi ad were to his SCALP.. ANY nternet search will come up with articles from that period stating so. What Bashir did was VERY BAD reverse psychiatry, in him with the facial surgery stuff...bottome line, Jackson made Jackson look bad... you cannot manipulate what came from his hardened botox lips... :p

[NuclearMisfit]

The Show on Fox hosted by Maury Pulvich makes me wanna laugh, if anyone seen this show about Michael trying to prove something but I still didnt see it. number one question was Why would he build a home like neverland? Michael responded with to "touch" the kid at heart, he said kid like 30 times and this show proves nothing to me it just proves to me hes still WHACKO JACKO.

[APzombie]

If he is telling the truth, his childhood was rough (sleeping in the same bed with your brothers while they have sex acting asleep and having your dad beat you can't help), but i don't think that could make him as insane as he acts...

Is it just me, or is his life starting to look like Charles Foster Kane in Citizen Kane? I mean Kane owned the largest zoo and museum and was the wierdest guy ever when he died, then we see him as a kid with his sled and he looked normal.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by APzombie

Is it just me, or is his life starting to look like Charles Foster Kane in Citizen Kane? I mean Kane owned the largest zoo and museum and was the wierdest guy ever when he died, then we see him as a kid with his sled and he looked normal.

Michael Jackson is dying in his bathroom...his wife rushes to his side...Michael grabs her by the blouse, pulls her near to him...and whispers in her ear... "ROSEBUD!"

Now that'd be freakin' cool. :D

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by James Logan
Michael Jackson is dying in his bathroom...his wife rushes to his side...Michael grabs her by the blouse, pulls her near to him...and whispers in her ear... "ROSEBUD!"

Now that'd be freakin' cool. :D

He'd whisper..."Bubbles." And it would be an ambiguously gay young teen boy at his side.;)

[Scarface98.9]

So did anyone actually see the aired FOX interview? I'm a bit curious to see what happened, but I didn't watch it.

BTW Grebdron, that's hella funny :D

[Moviejunkie]

a graphic look inside MJ`s mind-

*WARNING* graphic explanation ahead!

the reason MJ is altering his looks-

MJ wants to be a woman, a young girl most likely, so he can have an excuse to have underaged lovers etc..etc.. he also wants to nurture his kids like a woman does. i think this is one reason why he has children, he wants to be woman like. it`s just a matter of time until he gets breast implants.

why he thinks he`s peter pan-

he didn`t have much of a childhood and this is how he makes up for that loss of innocence. he filters this loss into his love for children. he wants to make them feel secure/nurtured because he never felt this way when he was young.

why he altered his skin-

he wants to be white.. actually he wants to be a white woman. his father made him feel dirty and made him feel like his MALE negro features were ugly, MJ thinks being white must also mean being clean and so to gain acceptance and to get rid of "that dirty feeling" MJ wants to be a white women... this also explains why he chose white children.

why he wants to sleep with children (or give up his bed for them)-

he had his first sexual experiences when he was young and so to him theirs nothing wrong with children being sexual. and he feels this is a different way to give love to another person, even if it is a child. the physical side of his relationship with children also makes "him" feel secure, almost like they are his security blanket.
and he thinks "making love" to children will keep him young forever! which would make him feel like he`s getting his childhood back.

why he wants to be a woman-

he feels that physically a woman is better suited to provide that nurturing for children he want to be nothing like his father, the one that abused him.

why he prefers boys-

he was once a boy himself and he can`t quite let go of that feeling and peter pan is also a boy. so it`s almost like he`s getting the best of both worlds. he can "be" a woman/girl and he can have a "little peter" inside him. also it`s because his youth
was taken from him. and he feels this is a way to get it back.

kind of sad really but this is "the mind of michael jackson"

:eek:

[James Logan]

Moviejunkie, where did you get that explanation? I mean, some parts of it are pretty plausible (the Peter Pan syndrome, for instance), but the whole "wanting to be a white woman" is pushing it a little, don'tcha think?

[Moviejunkie]

Originally posted by James Logan
Moviejunkie, where did you get that explanation? I mean, some parts of it are pretty plausible (the Peter Pan syndrome, for instance), but the whole "wanting to be a white woman" is pushing it a little, don'tcha think?

it has something to do with altering his skin. a black man doesn`t change his color for no reason. Jackson claims that he has a skin disease that caused his skin to change color. IN REALITY we know the only way a person can do this is by altering his skin in some kind of way.. most likely he did it through the use of drugs.

and also i think their is a posibility that his whole body is this color and not just his face (or maybe just the opposite) but he will not let anyone see his body. have you noticed that he always where`s clothes that cover his whole body so we never know for sure what he looks like?

you see when Jackson adopted those kids it wasn`t so he could be a daddy...no, Jackson wants to be a mommy. and it`s too obvious that he wants to be white.

[Michael_myers]

Originally posted by boggie
OK, I can't remember where I read this, but basically there is such thing as a non-action paedophile, a paedophile who doesn't realise that he is a paedophile, who loves children, thinks they love him in return and never finds them sexually attractive, just really close friends. Apparently, that guy that wrote Peter Pan (JM Barrie?) was one, can't remember the other examples.

JM Barrie was nothing of the sort. He first did Peter Pan as a stand-up routine with some friends, he was a lonly playwrite. They liked Peter so much that he decided to craft the story of Peter Pan. Using some bible names, and one of his own creation, that is Wendy. JM Barrie made Peter a best sellar, and a fantastic play. He rarely spent time with children.

Lewis Carroll, or Charles Lutwidge Dawson was a pedophile. He photographed and masturbated with and to pictures of Alice Liddell, who was the model for Alice, from the Alice in Wonderland book series.

;) have a good one
M_M

[cky_landspeed]

Did anyone watch the new MJ thing FOX had on, the interviewer was bull shit and lied about a lot of his feelings about MJ.

[Nate6]

Here's a fascinating story about Robin Williams and his opinions on MJ. Interesting stuff:

From http://www.imdb.com :

Robin Williams Attacks Michael Jackson
Comedian Robin Williams has ridiculed Michael Jackson's claims he was the victim of racism at the hands of record label Sony - because the pop superstar doesn't belong to a race. Jackson made the shocking allegations after his album Invincible filed to rack up the anticipated sales when it was released in late 2001. But the former Mork & Mindy star insists the 44-year-old Bad singer can't be racially-discriminated against, because the now fair-skinned African-American star doesn't belong to any race. She says, "Michael Jackson's standing outside Sony with a sign claiming racism. I said, 'Honey, you gotta pick a race first. All of a sudden you're a black man, then you're Diana Ross, now you're Audrey Hepburn. Then he's got the little beard going on. He's like Lord Of The Rings, the entire cast. Michael's about to jump species."

[SIREN30]

Originally posted by Dude
Holy shit Grebdron...

We're now at 2 AGREES! :eek:

This could lead to something.... :p

I don't think he looked like a child molester. I don't think kids would love being around him if he was and I think there would be a hell of a lot more court cases against him, etc. I also don't think it's that wierd to share a bed w/ your kids. I don't do it personally but when I was pregnant I read a bunch of those 'parenting' magazines and alot of them reccommend a 'family bed' where the whole family sleeps together in order to bond. I don't think that, in itself, is abnormal.

Now it's obvious from looking at the guy and listening to him that he has major psychological issues. But I would prefer to write those off to him never having had a childhood than to him being a pedophile. I think, in a twisted way, he's living his childhood now because he finally doesnt have anyone telling him what to do. And kids are the only people that understand him. It's extremely sad, if you ask me.

But I wish he didnt look like a cartoon.:D

[Gretchen_Ross]

*crawls out of the horror boards to offer her 2 cents*

in all this media hoopla, there's one thing i haven't heard mj say. he has said repeatedly that hurting children is wrong, he would never harm children, etc. however, he has yet to say that having sexual relations with children is wrong.

*warning - broad generalization approaching* there are two types of paedophiles. there are those who know that their impulses/actions are wrong, but continue to have/do them. then there are those who have constructed a belief system in which having sex with children is not wrong or harmful. these people (i.e. nambla, boylove, etc.) see sex with children as loving and perfectly harmless.

my point is, perhaps mj has said that he would never hurt a child because he doesn't believe that having sex with children hurts them. as soon as i see him say that having sex with kids is wrong, i'm on the side that he is a paedophile.

[happy OUT here]

Gretchen....I caught that point as well. He is incapable of wrong in his weird head.

[zsofika]

no opinion