Bad news for Roman Polanski.

[Tom Samborski]

From imdb.com:

The Los Angeles District Attorney's office said Tuesday that if Roman Polanski attempts to attend the Oscar ceremonies on March 24, he will be arrested. In 1977 Polanski was charged with statutory rape after engaging in sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl at the home of Jack Nicholson. He later pleaded guilty to the charge but fled the country before he was sentenced. In 1997, his victim, Samantha Geimer, appeared on the tabloid news show Inside Edition and expressed her wish that Polanski be allowed to return to the U.S. without having to serve jail time, but, among prosecutors, her words fell on deaf ears. Some critics have remarked that Polanski's fugitive status will probably have a negative effect on his chances for winning a best director Oscar for The Pianist. Polanski's film has also been nominated in six other categories, including best picture.

Quite a surprising article in my opinion. What do you all think of this ?

[The Delfonics]

Thats odd. Its kinda eerie he did that at Jacks house lol. I dont really know how many Polanski films I have seen. I only remember Macbeth

[Annie Hall]

It doesn't surprise me. Although, there is a point where I think the gov. should just drop the mess and let the man come to the ceremony. I mean, if she really doesn't care anymore, then we're just fighting "for the principle of the thing"...which, I don't often think is very purposeful.

But, I think Polanski is quite content in Paris.

[MarkItZero]

Why wait for him to show up in California.... They should cross the ocean and find that fucker and throw his pedophile ass in jail. Im sure he wouldnt be too hard to find (hes probably hanging out at Pete Townsend's house).

In my opinion, he is the ultimate dirtbag. He rapes a little girl and then isnt man enough to deal with consequences.

Plus, he directed The Ninth Gate, which was a steaming pile of crap and I wish I had those 2 hours of my life back.

[Annie Hall]

...whoa.

[Razorblade Smile]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Why wait for him to show up in California.... They should cross the ocean and find that fucker and throw his pedophile ass in jail. Im sure he wouldnt be too hard to find (hes probably hanging out at Pete Townsend's house).

They can't. I'm not sure exactly how extradition laws work, but if they could...they would've nabbed his ass years ago. The French can keep him. We don't want him.

In my opinion, he is the ultimate dirtbag. He rapes a little girl and then isnt man enough to deal with consequences.

Agreed.

Plus, he directed The Ninth Gate, which was a steaming pile of crap and I wish I had those 2 hours of my life back.

Agreed.

I try to distinguish between a person's accomplisments and their personal life. If the Pianist is deemed worthy of an Oscar, then I don't see why Polanski shouldn't be awarded for it. BUT...he has to come over here and get it just like EVERYBODY else. There shouldn't be any special concessions made for him.

[Grebdron]

Good. Glad they won't just let another celebrity off the hook. Like has already been said, let him come and get his Oscar, if he wants it that badly.

[BorderEevilIII]

Well knowing Roman he is gonna send a representative for him to attend the ceremonies if he plans to do so.

[Scarface98.9]

The Oscars are most likely a sting operation for the FBI to get him. But they won't get him, since he'll probably send a friend over to get it

[edonline]

IIRC, the woman has said that at the time when was 13, the sex was voluntary. However, laws being what they are, Polanski was charged with statutory rape.

[Razorblade Smile]

Originally posted by edonline
IIRC, the woman has said that at the time when was 13, the sex was voluntary. However, laws being what they are, Polanski was charged with statutory rape.

Yeah, but she was under the influence of alchohol and barbituates (If I'm not mistaken). That automatically rules out consent. Especially with a minor.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by edonline
IIRC, the woman has said that at the time when was 13, the sex was voluntary. However, laws being what they are, Polanski was charged with statutory rape.

She was basically whored out by her mother, too. Both the mother and Polanski should be in prison.

He was also fucking Nastasia Kinski when she was underage.

[flowrchild]

I respect Polanski as a director, but he clearly lacks class as a human being. He slept with an under age girl and then fled the country.

Quite frankly, if he does have the nerve to show up at the Oscars then he deserves to get arrested out of sheer stupidity.

[The Locnar]

I don't think the girl ever claimed the sex was consensual. I think it was Polanski that claimed it and she denied it afterwards. He did in fact slip her some Quaaludes and gave her champagne so she was incapacitated at the time. I don't think a grown man gives a 13 year old girl barbituates and alcohol then honestly believes she is going to have sex with him consensualy.

The guy defenitely ran from the law when he knew he was gonna be thrown in prison not becuz he thought he was innocent. He needs to be a man, turn himself in and go to prison for a year or two at least. He's been living the comfortable life for years now while the girl he RAPED has had to continually be reminded by the media about the whole thing on a yearly basis. She wants the whole thing to be dropped but not becuz she thinks he's a swell guy now and should be forgiven but becuz she wants to be left alone. That is just plain SAD!

[quoth_the_raven]

well i dont know about the law in american ,but in britain its stautory rape and there is no way i can see a judge buying it was consenual.

i am not gonna comment on this one further. id be forced to use words my mother wouldnt approve of.

the clean version would come out something like nasty little man...

[Invincible]

Originally posted by The Delfonics
Thats odd. Its kinda eerie he did that at Jacks house lol.

Yeah it is...but how did it come to his house???

[eraserhead_99]

I knew about this and it has always pissed me off. Who gives a crap. The girl doesnt. Besides, she's like 35 now.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by eraserhead_99
I knew about this and it has always pissed me off. Who gives a crap. The girl doesnt. Besides, she's like 35 now.


oh right, so cause shes 35 and grown up now, means we should forget that he basically drugged and screwed a 13 year old girl? he pleaded guilty he knew hed made a mistake, or taken advantage. doubly proven by the fact he high-tailed it out of dodge before he could be sentence.

no, i think we should give a crap about this.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven


no, i think we should give a crap about this.

I have to agree with Raven. Just because the girl has forgiven him doesn't mean it never happened. He wasn't man enough to pay the consequences anyway.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by eraserhead_99
I knew about this and it has always pissed me off. Who gives a crap. The girl doesnt. Besides, she's like 35 now.

I give a crap, and would pull the switch on his ass if given the opportunity.

[Lady Summerisle]

Roman Polanksi did this crime years ago. He has had enough persecution, and proved he is able to make up for the sins he indulged in when he was younger.

He's a great director, and his works are seminal: CHINATOWN, TESS, ROSEMARY'S BABY.
Even MACBETH.

Before you all go offon what a horrible man he is for doing the things he did must realize as an artist, Polanksi is miles better than less lauded directors.

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by Lady Summerisle
Roman Polanksi did this crime years ago. He has had enough persecution, and proved he is able to make up for the sins he indulged in when he was younger.

He's a great director, and his works are seminal: CHINATOWN, TESS, ROSEMARY'S BABY.
Even MACBETH.

Before you all go offon what a horrible man he is for doing the things he did must realize as an artist, Polanksi is miles better than less lauded directors.

Give me a break! First of all I think the guy sucks as a director. Rosemary's Baby was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

To say that he shouldn't be punished due to the fact that he's a great director (as you put it) is laughable. The guy committed a crime and until he's punished he hasn't received nearly enough persecution. Just because he's a celebrity does not mean he doesn't deserve the same punishment a non-celebrity would receive.

[Gregorious8]

Originally posted by Lady Summerisle
Roman Polanksi did this crime years ago. He has had enough persecution, and proved he is able to make up for the sins he indulged in when he was younger.

He's a great director, and his works are seminal: CHINATOWN, TESS, ROSEMARY'S BABY.
Even MACBETH.

Before you all go offon what a horrible man he is for doing the things he did must realize as an artist, Polanksi is miles better than less lauded directors.

His artistic works mean nothing in this case. How long ago it was makes no difference either. The fact is he raped a underage girl by intoxicating her, and getting her sick mother's approval. If he was any man at all he would have given up, and went into custody.

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by Grebdron
I give a crap, and would pull the switch on his ass if given the opportunity.

Don't sugarcoat Greb, tell us what you really think ;)

And I am a bit surprised by some of the responses in this topic saying that he should be left alone because he is a good director. Do you really want to live in a society where people can get away with any old bad thing they do simply because they are rich and famous? Oh wait... that is pretty much how it is already. So it looks like your wish was granted.

[quoth_the_raven]

ok i will admit, hes a good artist.

that does not justify drugging a 13 year old girl and having sex with her. why should we drop it because of time? because the years have gone on, doesnt make what he did any more justifiable. what he did was wrong, morally and legally, and the fact he couldnt take the punishment, shows that he is a coward as well.

so i give a crap. i hope he comes back, i hope he gets arressted and i hope he is punished for his crimes. it really is that simple.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by flowrchild


And I am a bit surprised by some of the responses in this topic saying that he should be left alone because he is a good director.

I am too. Just because he is a good director doesn't give him the right to get away with a crime scott free. Can you imagine what the world would be like if that happened every day? Having sex with a minor is wrong and I don't care if you're famous or not, you must pay the consequences!

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Lady Summerisle
Roman Polanksi did this crime years ago. He has had enough persecution, and proved he is able to make up for the sins he indulged in when he was younger.

He's a great director, and his works are seminal: CHINATOWN, TESS, ROSEMARY'S BABY.
Even MACBETH.

Before you all go offon what a horrible man he is for doing the things he did must realize as an artist, Polanksi is miles better than less lauded directors.

Lady, did you actually say that?? Boggles my mind. "I like his movies, so leave him alone!" Un-fucking-believable.

How has he "Made up for the sins he indulged in"? He ran, and has never been punished. He made up for getting a 14 year old girl high and fucking her practically in front of her mother by making The Ninth Gate?

Jesus, if The Pianist is as good as they say, maybe he should kill somebody. He's already made up for it.

[quoth_the_raven]

ouch...

greb u actually managed to sound angrier than i did.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Lady, did you actually say that?? Boggles my mind. "I like his movies, so leave him alone!" Un-fucking-believable.

How has he "Made up for the sins he indulged in"? He ran, and has never been punished. He made up for getting a 14 year old girl high and fucking her practically in front of her mother by making The Ninth Gate?

Jesus, if The Pianist is as good as they say, maybe he should kill somebody. He's already made up for it.

This must mean the world's gone mad, but...once again, I agree with Greb all the way, and if I were as witty as the man is, I would've posted exactly THAT.

I saw the topic, didn't know much about the Roman Polanski case (knew about the whole statutory rape thing, but American laws about that are subject to discussion) so I tried to inform myself on this particular case. If the girl wasn't ok with getting shagged by the man (and although she forgives him now, she says she wasn't ok with it at the time), the guy deserves to get his ass sent to the jail. Running from justice is definitely the most cowadly thing you can do, and saying that Polanski should be let in peace because he's a good filmmaker (and he is) is the most stupid pack of bullshit I've ever read. "C'mon, the guy's talented, let him fuck and kill! God's gotta love his movies, I'm sure he's got no problem with it, and hey, every time a dude does something as good as CHINATOWN, he's gotta deserve a good shag with a 13-year old, yeah?" Gimme a break!

If there's a spectre to human behavior, and class-acts are on one end, Roman Polanski would be on the exact opposite end. I hope he comes to L.A. for his award and gets thrown in county jail, but hey, don't expect Roman "my-balls-are-the-size-of-peas" Polanski to take such a risk.

[dr.gorman]

It is unfortunate that he'll never be back in the US. Anyway hes still making movies and thats all I care about. As for him being a coward, I disagree. If anything I consider him a little bit brave in the way that he still decided to continue his living depite being basically blacklisted.

[Scarface98.9]

Originally posted by dr.gorman
It is unfortunate that he'll never be back in the US. Anyway hes still making movies and thats all I care about. As for him being a coward, I disagree. If anything I consider him a little bit brave in the way that he still decided to continue his living depite being basically blacklisted.
Flaming by fellow Schmoes to commence in 5,4,3...

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by dr.gorman
It is unfortunate that he'll never be back in the US. Anyway hes still making movies and thats all I care about. As for him being a coward, I disagree. If anything I consider him a little bit brave in the way that he still decided to continue his living depite being basically blacklisted.

Yes, it's extremely courageous to have sex with an underage girl and then run away to another country to escape punishment.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say...

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
Flaming by fellow Schmoes to commence in 5,4,3...

Tee-hee.;) I'll start.

What the fuckity fuck? Brave for continuing despite being blacklisted?

HE FUCKED A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL. After drugging her. With a mothers consent.

He shouldn't be blacklisted, he should be fucking castrated.

[dr.gorman]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
Yes, it's extremely courageous to have sex with an underage girl and then run away to another country to escape punishment.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say...


I dont believe I ever said anything about him having sex with an underage girl then fleeing was brave. Of course what he did was wrong and he should be punished in the neccasry ways. All I said was that I consider him brave from not letting that incident which has been going on I believe for over 20 years ruin his carrerr. And the girl has gotten over it supposedly. Anyway Ive made my say and I choose to stick by it; agree with it, disagree with it, i honestly couldnt give a fuck.

[Gregorious8]

I think we can all see that the victim of this crime is really Roman Polanski:rolleyes:

[notchreturns]

The man made a mistake. We've all made mistakes, some not as big as his, but a mistake is a mistake, and as long as the supposed girl has forgiven him, and he realized what he did was wrong, I don't really see why anyone should make a big deal out of the situation. Oh, what, our Justice system will be proved wrong by this ongoing case? Big deal, join the club, like it has never happened before. Gulity people go free, and innocent people spend the rest of their lives in jail. That's the way it is, and the way it will always be. This case, which has been going around for decades, won't solve the worlds problems, nor will it change my life, or anyone elses that isnt closely related to Polanski or the girl. All it will do is send a man who has lived a life not many could imagine to jail, where he will live the rest of his , wondering if it was even worth living....

And the fact that he has lived a hard life really should have nothing to do with it, I hope it doesn't. He lived in Poland where Nazis were practically his nextdoor neighbor? Fine. His parents were sent to concentration capes, where his mother died, but he managed to escape? Ok, that doesn't mean he had to take it out on some teenager. His pregnant wife was brutally murdered by Charles Manson's thugs? Ok, fine, it happens, it is something that happens. He had to run away to France, to live his life, a life that has been basically ruined and mocked by millions around the world. Ok, that shit happens, whatever...


Another thing that happens is mistakes, both you and I make. He made a mistake, he's lived with it for decades, and as far as I know, during his time in France, he has been nothing short of productive citizen.

I know, I'm rambling and I basically keep repeating myself, but his life has changed, for better or worse, I can't say. But I do know the chances are likely he regrets what he has done, and the person he did it to, forgives him in some way... that really is none of our business.

LET HIM LIVE HIS LIFE!...

We certainly have bigger fish to fry...


Of course, that's all my opinion and I'm sure most won't agree with it, but what can I say? On second thought, just read my little rant again, that explains my position... ;)

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron

He shouldn't be blacklisted, he should be fucking castrated.

Agreed. Put his nuts in boiling water for a few minutes, then pull 'em out, and smash 'em with a pair of bricks, and Roman Polanski's your new Farinelli.

What can I say, the rapist asshole asked for it.

P.S.: I can't believe I'm agreeing with Grebdron...either I'm becoming crazy, or I'm getting reeeaal smart. ;)

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by notchreturns
The man made a mistake.


ahhh i see. a mistake. i always thought a mistake was somethign u didnt intend to do. so therefore, following this reasoning, he didnt intend to drug her, and didnt intend to screw her. and it was just a mistake right?

that doesnt add up in my mind. at all. i know we all have our own opinions, but time doesnt diminish what he did. if he comes back, he deserves whatever punishment he will get. but i doubt he will be back...cowards dont face upto what they did.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by James Logan
P.S.: I can't believe I'm agreeing with Grebdron...either I'm becoming crazy, or I'm getting reeeaal smart. ;)

Both.;)

[quoth_the_raven]

when dealing with greb, it helps to be both...

[blankpage]

I think the man should have done his time. Go to jail, for however long. Then he probably would have been out by now, and everything by now. But he had to flea the country and go live in France, this thing will probably continue to grow and grow. I doubt that we will she Polanski anytime soon.

I wouldn't say he was a god fucking coward, but when you do the crime, do the time.

[free]

For some reason, when i saw this tread, i thought of Mr. Bean. You know, Mr. Bean's name is Rowa... nevermind. :confused:


As for the whole he's courageous, she forgave him...blah blah...maybe i could agree if the girl was 17, one year before the satatory rape age ends (in Alabama anyway), and of a sane mind, but not for this.


Thats like saying, "Well let's let Charles Manson out....he's had a long "time-out".." Kinda like a stand with your nose in a corner punishment for Tim McVeigh. Come on and get real (in a nice way of course :D )

[JCR]

Funnily enough there was a thread in general movie talk about this a couple of months back and most of the people there were much more sympathetic to him because of what happened to his wife. Strange that

I wouldn't say he was a god fucking coward, but when you do the crime, do the time.

I agree, although I do think he's a coward.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by JCR
Funnily enough there was a thread in general movie talk about this a couple of months back and most of the people there were much more sympathetic to him because of what happened to his wife. Strange

Yeah, that's a good point. I'd say I can eventually understand the dude, and feel sympathetic because he's suffered, but really -- I can't see any link between having your wife killed and banging a drunk teenager. And besides, cowardly fleeing to Europe makes me lose all the sympathy I ever had for the guy.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by James Logan
can't see any link between having your wife killed and banging a drunk teenager. And besides, cowardly fleeing to Europe makes me lose all the sympathy I ever had for the guy.


first, ur right on the coward part. i have said it before and reiterate it now

secondly, u see no link because i doubt there is. its just an exucse people will use to try and forgive him his crime. it wont wash with me and i am guessing it wont wash with a lot of other people...

[Lady Summerisle]

Enough years have passed to let Polanski back into the country.

His being forgiven by the girl he statutory raped certainly shows that enough time has passed that his crime should be expunged. He hasn't diddled anyone under 18 in a long time and attcking him isn't going to solve the problem of morality.

Sex offenders are allowed time after they commit their crime to rehabilitate and show they aren't doing it anymore.

His cowardice to face the charges doesn't make him evil, it is what we would do if we were in his place, some of us.

[Cyclonus]

Wait, wait!

This thing happened, what? A good quarter century ago? Really, what's the point in continuing to persue this case? Does someone have a personal agenda?

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by Cyclonus
Wait, wait!

This thing happened, what? A good quarter century ago? Really, what's the point in continuing to persue this case? Does someone have a personal agenda?

Am I wrong, or did my sarcasm detector just shoot through the roof?

:confused:

:p

[Buck Turgidson]

Would any of your hardcases be this outraged if this was John Landis up for an Oscar?

[Wrath]

I personally think that if the victim doesn't want the charges to hold up anymore, that they shouldn't. He fled the country, and that's pretty shitty of him, but if the girl is saying to forget it, forget it.

[Cyclonus]

Originally posted by Jason Voorhees
Am I wrong, or did my sarcasm detector just shoot through the roof?

:confused:

:p

No, I am serious. It's happened so long ago that there's really nothing reasonable to do but to just drop the whole issue.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Cyclonus
No, I am serious. It's happened so long ago that there's really nothing reasonable to do but to just drop the whole issue.


because it happened a long time ago, means its ok?andf that its ok to drop the issue?

i dont buy that for a second


*sorry cyclonus, hope that dont come over like some kind of personal attack. different sides of the line on this one :)

qtr

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Cyclonus
No, I am serious. It's happened so long ago that there's really nothing reasonable to do but to just drop the whole issue.

ridiculous. the law department of america is meant to protect the innocent by prosecuting convicts to the fullest extent of the law, (and he pleaded guilty)and doing that sets an example to people so they will not do that. if we let some one slide by flying out of the country, and then dont do anything after he comes back sets a really bad example to society - "just fly away before the sentencing, then come back in 20 years." Plus, time doesnt throw away the issue, if he has really been punished enough by his own conscience, his personal conviction would drive him back to america to serve some time in prison.

Thats really, really, really, really ridiculous - "It's happened so long ago that there's really nothing reasonable to do but to just drop the whole issue".

I know thats a term we use when dealing with immature kids who are stubborn about something likea stolen nickel or something of the sort, but this is statuatory rape. Even if a 13 year old girl wants to have sex with you (and your well into the adult age) YOU DONT DO IT, ITS SICK AND WRONG.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
ridiculous. the law department of america is meant to protect the innocent by prosecuting convicts to the fullest extent of the law, (and he pleaded guilty)and doing that sets an example to people so they will not do that. if we let some one slide by flying out of the country, and then dont do anything after he comes back sets a really bad example to society - "just fly away before the sentencing, then come back in 20 years." Plus, time doesnt throw away the issue, if he has really been punished enough by his own conscience, his personal conviction would drive him back to america to serve some time in prison.

Thats really, really, really, really ridiculous - "It's happened so long ago that there's really nothing reasonable to do but to just drop the whole issue".

I know thats a term we use when dealing with immature kids who are stubborn about something likea stolen nickel or something of the sort, but this is statuatory rape. Even if a 13 year old girl wants to have sex with you (and your well into the adult age) YOU DONT DO IT, ITS SICK AND WRONG.

Agreed.

[James Logan]

Gee, listening to some of you guys, I'm getting the feeling I could just bang a cute 13-year old, flee to a foreign country, make a couple of good movies, and come back after 20 years or so unharmed. Excuse my French, but some-fucking-thing seems fucking wrong in that fucking statement.

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by James Logan
Gee, listening to some of you guys, I'm getting the feeling I could just bang a cute 13-year old, flee to a foreign country, make a couple of good movies, and come back after 20 years or so unharmed. Excuse my French, but some-fucking-thing seems fucking wrong in that fucking statement.

A-fuckin-men!

I really don't understand the logic of some people. If we go along their logic we should just let all the criminals in the world loose because they "did it so long ago it's not even an issue anymore". :rolleyes:

[Grebdron]

You know, it's been roughly 30 years since the Manson Family offed those people (including Polanski's wife). I wonder if Polanski thinks that enough time has gone by that we should forgive Manson, and release him.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
You know, it's been roughly 30 years since the Manson Family offed those people (including Polanski's wife). I wonder if Polanski thinks that enough time has gone by that we should forgive Manson, and release him.

Good point. I say let's invite them both to the Oscars and have 'em sit next to each other. They'd take care of each other and we could be left in peace.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by James Logan
Good point. I say let's invite them both to the Oscars and have 'em sit next to each other. They'd take care of each other and we could be left in peace.

dont you just love it when a plan comes together?

hows about we put them in a chainsaw duel to the finish, with the winner having a bonus prize. like a trip to the bottom of a fairly deep oceanic trench. minus diving gear/submersibile.

justr trying to add a little lightness to another wise depressing thread :)

[Cyclonus]

Well then, if this guy had faced the light like you so wanted him to, where would he be right now? Would he have served his sentence and got on with his life, or would he still be rotting in jail?

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Cyclonus
Well then, if this guy had faced the light like you so wanted him to, where would he be right now? Would he have served his sentence and got on with his life, or would he still be rotting in jail?

Well, he'd have probably served his time, but would be dead. Even in the ranks of the violent criminal, there are limits. Kiddie fuckers don't last long.

Cy, what do you think about my last post? Should Manson be released? It's been an awfully long time.

[Cyclonus]

Well, as morally objectionable it is for a 45-year old guy to screw a 13-year old teen, it still doesn't come anywhere near mass murder.

[Grebdron]

Technically, Manson didn't murder anybody.

I'm not defending Manson, nor defaming you. But I'm sure that Polanski would want Manson punished. He just doesn't have the balls to face his own punishment. Truthfully, I'm surprised Polanski didn't move to Bangkok, where he could get away with kiddie fucking. Maybe they have an extradition treaty with America.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Truthfully, I'm surprised Polanski didn't move to Bangkok, where he could get away with kiddie fucking. Maybe they have an extradition treaty with America.

Maybe he just digs French girls. I gotta admit they're pretty cute...you know, in the "she's pretty cute, in four years she'll be a bomb" way. But Roman probably doesn't think exactly the way I do when it comes to chicks now does he? :)

[bowieee]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Technically, Manson didn't murder anybody.

I'm not defending Manson, nor defaming you. But I'm sure that Polanski would want Manson punished. He just doesn't have the balls to face his own punishment. Truthfully, I'm surprised Polanski didn't move to Bangkok, where he could get away with kiddie fucking. Maybe they have an extradition treaty with America.

Amen to that.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Technically, Manson didn't murder anybody.

I'm not defending Manson, nor defaming you. But I'm sure that Polanski would want Manson punished. He just doesn't have the balls to face his own punishment. Truthfully, I'm surprised Polanski didn't move to Bangkok, where he could get away with kiddie fucking. Maybe they have an extradition treaty with America.


first off amen.


second off, ur wouldnt be defaming anyone anyway lol...

[Razorblade Smile]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
dont you just love it when a plan comes together?

hows about we put them in a chainsaw duel to the finish, with the winner having a bonus prize. like a trip to the bottom of a fairly deep oceanic trench. minus diving gear/submersibile.



Manson versus Polanski! Now THAT'S something you won't see on Celebrity Death Match.

My money would have to be on Charlie.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Razorblade Smile
Manson versus Polanski! Now THAT'S something you won't see on Celebrity Death Match.

My money would have to be on Charlie.


yeah mine two. hes the more unbalanced of the two. but my idea would be a draw...preferably a messy one.

i watched a film once that had a chainsaw duel in part of it...

if i can remember what that film was called i will be damn happy.

[APzombie]

Originally posted by JCR
Funnily enough there was a thread in general movie talk about this a couple of months back and most of the people there were much more sympathetic to him because of what happened to his wife. Strange that



I agree, although I do think he's a coward.

Yea, i started that thread...

You call him a coward? He survived liquidation during the Holocaust when he was only 8.... AND YOU CALL HIM A COWARD????!?!?!

[James Logan]

Originally posted by APzombie

You call him a coward? He survived liquidation during the Holocaust when he was only 8.... AND YOU CALL HIM A COWARD????!?!?!

There's a difference between "living through some tough shit" and "being a coward", AP. The Holocaust...well, I'm sure it was painful, and he had a hard time getting out of it, but most of it is just keep breathing and pray God helps you. You don't have to be particularly brave to suffer. Committing an offence and fleeing from justice, THAT is a proof of lack of courage.

[quoth_the_raven]

it was brave to live through those times. but then, he has lowered that by running from his deserved punishment...surely if he could live through the holocaust, he could live through his punishment?

[JCR]

You call him a coward? He survived liquidation during the Holocaust when he was only 8.... AND YOU CALL HIM A COWARD????!?!?!

Yes. I'm not sure the holocaust has any relevence to what he did later on, and running to the other side of the planet to avoid his problems does say cowardice to me. I don't think Polanski was completely responsible for what happened (the girls mother should have shown more sense and if it was at Jack Nicholsons house he should probably have questioned what was going on as well), but actions have consequences and RP should have faced them.


From Polanski's point of view it probably would have been much better if he had stayed in the USA. He could have said he made a mistake, done some jail time, and the whole thing might have been forgotten about in the 70s, he's good enough that hollywood would have given him a second chance, and everybody could move on. Now I can only speak for britain but we have some of the main child protection charities campaining against the pianist, and it could be the best film in the world but it's not gonna win any major baftas tonight- polanski is too hot to handle. And he's brought it on himself. What a shame.

[Cyclonus]

Well, I think I've been backed in a corner on this issue. I really wish this whole thing would just go away but it's clear that it's destined to haunt Polanski till the day he dies. I don't like what he did but I really would rather not ponder it anymore.

[APzombie]

Originally posted by James Logan
There's a difference between "living through some tough shit" and "being a coward", AP. The Holocaust...well, I'm sure it was painful, and he had a hard time getting out of it, but most of it is just keep breathing and pray God helps you. You don't have to be particularly brave to suffer. Committing an offence and fleeing from justice, THAT is a proof of lack of courage.

True you don't have to be brave to suffer, but i think (again, just my opinion) that you have to be brave to survive.

If you watch The Pianist, i think a majority of people would say that he was brave. No, he didn't stand up and fight the nazi's, he didn't save other people's lives, he simpley survived.

I think surviving was brave, the fleeing wasn't, but i'm not going to call him, through all the shit he's been through, a coward. Though i still would call him a perverted son of a bitch.

[APzombie]

p.s.

I'm not all for Polanski. I believe if he came back to America he should do his time because it is your responcibility to obide the rules of our country when you become an american citizen.

I just don't think he is a flat out coward.

[Cyclonus]

From the horse's mouth--courtesty of imdb (http://us.imdb.com/PeopleNews/)


The woman Roman Polanski was convicted of having underage sex with 25 years ago, has backed the moviemaker's Academy Award campaign, insisting the awards should be based on merit. Polanksi was convicted of Statutory Rape in 1977 when a court heard he had sex with 13-year-old Samantha Geimer. He subsequently fled to France to avoid jail. Geimer has since spoken out for the Polish-born director, insists she has "no hard feelings" towards him - and insists his actions in the past should not hinder Polanksi's chances of picking up an Oscar for his new movie The Pianist next month. Polanksi, who Sunday won Best Film and Best Director at the BAFTAs (British Academy Awards) is nominated in the same categories at the Oscar's. And even though he could not travel to Hollywood to pick up any gong - he would be arrested the moment he steps foot in the States - Geimer insists his conviction should not rule him out of the running. She says, "I don't really have any hard feelings toward him, or any sympathy, either. He is a stranger to me. I believe that Mr. Polanski and his film should be honored according to the quality of the work. What he does for a living and how good he is at it have nothing to do with me or what he did to me." Geimer does not excuse Polanski's actions for which he pleaded guilty to 25 years ago, but does express some sympathy for the controversial character. She recalls, "It was not consensual sex by any means. I said no, repeatedly, but he wouldn't take no for an answer. I was alone and I didn't know what to do. It was scary and, looking back, very creepy." A plea bargain was initially agreed by the attorneys for both parties, but at the last minute the judge refused to honor the deal. Worried he would have to spend 50 years in prison, Polanski fled. Geimer charitably explains, "I know there is a price to pay for running. But who wouldn't think about running when facing a 50-year sentence from a judge who was clearly more interested in his own reputation than a fair judgment or even the well-being of the victim?"


So she was raped after all. No doubt left--but Ms. Geimer points out that the judge in charge was only looking out for his own self-advancement. :mad: