Anyone out there who was as dissapointed with Ringu as much a s me

[chinton]

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Hey schmoes. Well after heaps of praise form this board I decided to see Ringu today. Ive seen The Ring numerous times and thought it was very freaky, scary, and was also a complelling mystery. I also really liked Noami Watts.


Ringu on the other hand wa s a huge disspointment to me. What was really funny was that they are essentially both the same moviies. The back story of the girl are different in both movies but most of the plot and the structure are the exact same. Yet, despite being the exact same I found myself BORED to death during this film. I didn't anyhting like a creepy atmosphere and jus t found the whole movie unexciting. Even the well s cene which I thought was terryfying in The Ring becomes laughable in the original. I mean they know the corpse is down there and they dont have much time so what do they do. they start taking out the water. Why? They can find the corpse if they want to. Also ten minutes before the leading girl is supposed to die the ex-husband makes her go down there becuase shes too tired to to pick up the buckets anymore. Ya wheres the best the place to be when youre about to die. I know next to the girls corpse which you know will come alive. When the skeleton does pop up shes very OK with it and then holds the skeleton on her bossom!!!!!!!. It was so silly. This whole movie was unsacry and just OK.


By the way did anybody else find the ex-husband to be a jerk. At one point he slapped her.

Also I think the video is way scarier in the remake.




Finally, I honestly dont get critics who say compared to the oriiginal the remake says too much or is too complicated. They have essectially THE SAME PLOT!!!!!!!! In both movies you get a lot of abck story on Sadako. These critics even critcised the ending. Its the same ending!!!!!????????



I know Ill probably get bashed for this but I was wondering if anybody a greed.

[izombie]

Most people I've talked to about this saw the remake first and didn't find the original as scary.

I on the other hand saw the original first and thought it was great. The remake took to much of the suspense out of several key scenes.

As for your comments.....

In Ringu I believe the water was too deep to stand in so that is why the started emptying the well.

As far as being "safe" no one was safe after watching the video so why not confront your "fate" head-on!!

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, mine is both were great movies, I liked the original a bit more. I'll probably wait abit before adding them to my DVD collection in the event they come out witha little more robust version of Ringu.

[KillerKlown]

I've seen Ringu (several times) and I love it. I haven't seen the remake as yet, but from what I've been hearing about it from friends who have, I'ts not as good.

[the night watchman]

I saw "Ringu" long before I'd even heard anything about it. I just picked it up expecting it to be a gore flick. What I got was much, much more satisfying.

Complaining about the weak points in "Ringu" seems a little silly, especially when "The Ring" has its fair share weakness, and really bad ones at that. Don't get me wrong, I liked it a lot, but if you're going to cut the remake slack, do the same for the original.

Highlight: First of all, I thought "The Ring" was way too talky. I preferred the brevity and directness of the dialogue in "Ringu." Also, why did Samara's father decide to commit suicide in such a ridiculously complex manner? And how convenient that Watts should show up just as he's about to off himself so he can say his last words. How much more convenient that Henderson shows up right there seconds later just so both the characters can be back together again. And if you're going to complain about how Rieko ends up in the well in "Ringu," all I have to say is that it played off much better than the contrivance of the TV coming to life to knock Watts in! Shesh! I also thought the pacing was much tighter in "Ringu." Ryuji's death is much more surprising IMHO, and the final scene, with Rieko driving off to play the tape for her father was, to me, much more chilling.

Like I said, I like the remake -- heck I bought it the first day it was released on DVD -- but it's certainly not flawless.

[Scully1888]

Okay, here goes...

First of all, this is not intended as an attack on you. This is purely my opinion, and how it simply happens to differ from yours. I'm going to take some of the things you said and address them one at a time, giving my thoughts.

Ive seen The Ring numerous times and thought it was very freaky, scary, and was also a complelling mystery. I also really liked Noami Watts.
Agreed. She's hot as fuck. :)

I found myself BORED to death during this film. (Ringu)
It's a different kind of horror. As it's not Americanised, the film doesn't rely on big BOO scares and such, and therefore it attempts to create a feeling of tension.

Even the well s cene which I thought was terryfying in The Ring becomes laughable in the original. I mean they know the corpse is down there and they dont have much time so what do they do. they start taking out the water. Why?
As izombie said, the water in Ringu is much deeper than that in The Ring.

Also ten minutes before the leading girl is supposed to die the ex-husband makes her go down there becuase shes too tired to to pick up the buckets anymore.
Makes sense to me.

Ya wheres the best the place to be when youre about to die. I know next to the girls corpse which you know will come alive.
But hold on. It doesn't come alive. Instead, it's something of a dream-like flashback thing (much like in The Ring, when Rachel dreams of seeing Samara sitting in a chair in her house). And besides, Asakawa and Ryuji DON'T necessarily know the corpse is going to come alive. They're just looking for it, not wanting to encounter it.

When the skeleton does pop up shes very OK with it and then holds the skeleton on her bossom!!!!!!!.
This is because in the flashback prior to them going to the well, Asakawa realises that Sadako was simply an innocent girl who was brutally murdered by her father for "being different" (in other words, having certain powers). Therefore she's not scared of Sadako's corpse, rather she wshes to help Sadako by making her realise that someone cared for her.

By the way did anybody else find the ex-husband to be a jerk. At one point he slapped her.
He slapped her to get her to pull herself together. I don't think ben was a jerk in Night Of he Living Dead for slapping Barbara to stop her babbling. Same goes here.

Also I think the video is way scarier in the remake.
I'd agree that the video is cleverer in that it relates more closely to the rest of the events in the film, but as to whether it is scarier is again down to the whole "Americanisation" thing. The Japanese version has a lot more metaphorical, disturbing images, whereas the American one has creepy singing in the background along with unnecessarily "scare" shots (the fingers in the box, the nail going through the finger, the umbilical cord coming out of the mouth). Personally, I think the American tape is cleverer, but the Japanese one is slightly scarier.

Finally, I honestly dont get critics who say compared to the original the remake says too much or is too complicated. They have essectially THE SAME PLOT!!!!!!!!
Not true. The original has nothing to do with horses, Sadako's father doesn't kill himself, Sadako's mother isn't the one who kills her, there IS no room up a ladder in a barn, there's no Mental Hospital, etc. Similarly, the remake has no scientific demonstration ("you're a fake!"), no sitting on the beach talking to Samara's father, and Noah doesn't have psychic powers like Ryuji does. I personally haven't read any reviews that say the remake is complicated compared to the original. I can see how they would say it says too much, because the Japanese version takes a lot of thought and is very open-ended. It leaves quite a lot to the imagination in terms of Sadako's origins. On the other hand, the remake pretty much explains everything, and even explains the various images in the tape as the film progresses via flashbacks.

These critics even critcised the ending. Its the same ending!!!!!????????
Not exactly the same. Some criticise the use of CGI to make Samara seem like she's still part of the tape, whereas in the original Sadako climbed out of the TV and had the appearance as if she was real (which I prefer, incidentally).
Another criticism is the showing of Samara's "demon face" as opposed to the single eye. Again, I prefer the original.
A third criticism is the "zip" thing Samara does to get right up to Noah. I liked that, I must admit.
Finally (and this bit really pissed me off), why in the holy land of FUCK did they split Samara's approach to the TV by inserting a scene with Rachel driving a car? In my opinion, it drastically reduced the tension as some people could gather their thoughts and guess what was going to happen.


I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love the remake (I ordered it off the net and it should be arriving at my house tomorrow from the good old US of A), but I still prefer the original.

I guess it's true that you'll always prefer the first one you see, because the ending is wasted and therefore not as scary the second time. I mean, you say it sucked in the original version, but had you seen it first you wouldn't have seen it coming, especially as you thought the rest of the film was boring (you wouldn't have expected something cool at the end).

The cool thing about the Ring series is that everyone has their own interpretations and opinions.

[Juice]

I guess Ringu's subtle style just ain't your glass of beer.
I personlally loved it, Ringu scared the shit out of my where The Ring only made me laugh some times.

[countchocula]

I watched Ringu last night, and it was an underwhelming experience. Keep in mind, I have not seen the remake yet. In fact, I wanted to watch the original first because I knew that the Americanized version would spoil my senses with too many flashy images and a jumpier pace. That said, Ringu felt uneventful and a tad flat. I'm not complaining about the slow pace; it just had a dry taste to it. In some areas, the direction was tight and moody; in other areas, it felt bland and crude. However, I'll be watching it again tonight. I dozed off a few times during the film, which wasn't due to boredom. My drowsiness was probably an injustice to the film. I'll give it another shot, and give it a "proper" review tomorrow.

[chinton]

I figured I would get a lot of bashing for this and all of yuo are entitled to yuor opinion but PLEASE dont tell me that maybe the more subtle style flew over my head. I love subtle scary movies. Changeling is one of my favorite horror films. I also like a lot of art films like Magnolia.

I found this movie boring not becuase it was too subtle or its creppy tension flew over my head. i thought it was boring becuase it was boring.




By the way I made a mistake on my fiurst post. True they didnt know the skeleton wa s going to come alive but what did they think was going to happen. They new that the ghost of the corpse that was down in t he well was going around killing people and that when she was alive she had ESP. Ya nothing was going to happen. If the guy told me to go down to the girls corpse ten minutes form when she was supposed to kill me. I wouls so fuck no. I though the TC hitting her in in the remake was much more effective. At least she was forced down there.



Also once again Samara didnt have the same abck story but the story structure was exactly the same. It was an extremely close remake.

So once again I personally found it boring which is fine if you disagree with me but dont tell me that I cant appreciate subtle horror.



Scully- Dont worry. I think y uor a great schmoe. I respect your opinion but Im afraid Im going to really disagree with you on your rebuttals. See my coouple of paragraphs above.

[thirdeye]

I think "Ringu" is a lot better than "The Ring"
Alltough i liked the remake, i still think that "Ringu" is lot scarier and the story makes more sense to me.

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[chinton]

I actually thought the fact that when she came out of the TV looked real in Ringu detracted form the ending. It didnt really faze me. The only thing creppy to me about that scene in Ringu was how she walked as she came toward the ex. The static amde the girl seem a lot scarier to me in The Ring

[Kaos]

Originally posted by chinton
I actually thought the fact that when she came out of the TV looked real in Ringu detracted form the ending. It didnt really faze me. The only thing creppy to me about that scene in Ringu was how she walked as she came toward the ex. The static amde the girl seem a lot scarier to me in The Ring

Aye, I'll have to agree with ya there. Also, the little "warp" thing Samara did while advancing on Noah freaked me out a bit.

[myersfan31]

I rented Ringu today, it was ok. The remake is better. But, the tape was stupid, the dead bodies look stupid after the 7 days. But it was cool.

[Patrick_Bateman]

Scully I agree with you 100%.....

[SwimFan87]

I haven't seen "Ringu" but "The Ring" is my favorite horror flick! I enjoy it alot and since i got the dvd on friday ive seen it 4times counting when i went to see it to theaters once. Pppl say a lot of stuff about "ringu" of being scarier and shit so i have to go and waste $30 bucks to see it. Ringu is to expensive for $30 and The ring only cost me $20. Im sure that i will still like "The ring" better since the other one is in japanese and i really hate subtitles and languages that i don't un derstand.

[Juice]

Originally posted by SwimFan87
I haven't seen "Ringu" but "The Ring" is my favorite horror flick! I enjoy it alot and since i got the dvd on friday ive seen it 4times counting when i went to see it to theaters once. Pppl say a lot of stuff about "ringu" of being scarier and shit so i have to go and waste $30 bucks to see it. Ringu is to expensive for $30 and The ring only cost me $20. Im sure that i will still like "The ring" better since the other one is in japanese and i really hate subtitles and languages that i don't un derstand.

That has nothing to do with the quality of the movie.

[DoctorGonzo]

Despite the fact that The Ring is a remake of Ringu, I felt that they were both very different films. Ringu made me feel very uneasy, and while there was no point at which I jumped (something I did a few times when watching The Ring) the moment when Sadako climbs out of the television is one of the best 'holy shit' moments in cinema. I lay awake for quite some time after watching Ringu, but had no trouble sleeping after watching The Ring...

[SpaceMutt07]

I, for one, didn't like Ringu that much. It was not scary, except for the end, but the only reason the ending was scary was because it had never been done and nobody expected it, but then The Ring came along. The ending for that one was improved, so it kinda cancelled out the scariness of the Ringu ending , if anyone knows what im sayin' here. I expected the Ring ending, but it was done way better that the Ringu one.
Ringu was way overhyped and I can't believe i spent money on it. Its not creepy!
BTW: HAS ANYONE BESIDES ME NOTICED THE LAUGHABLY BAD SPECIAL EFFECTS IN RINGU? I KNOW THE BUDGET WAS NOT THAT GREAT BUT I HAVE THE SAME EFECTS ON MY DIGITAL CAMERA. WHATS FUNNIER IS THE SOUND EFFECT WHEN SADAKO IS WHACKED ON THE HEAD (INTO THE WELL). PLEASE, IF YOU OWN THIS MOVIE WATCH THAT PART. I ALMOST PISSED MY PANTS!

[chinton]

couldnt agree more about that sound effect when the father whacks the girl. Sounded like it was form a different movie