Film Buffs vs. Fan Boys

[Klaus Weasley]

A lot of people claim to be "film buffs" but if you see the list of films they consider to be "the best" or "their favorites", they consist MOSTLY of big-budgeted Hollywood franchises (e.g. Star Wars, The Matrix, etc.). They are not film buffs but rather fan boys.

Not that there's anything wrong with being a fan boy. But there is something wrong if you're pretending something you are not.

A film buff is a person who loves the art of film as a whole. Most of them try to watch a wide array of films. Be it Hollywood or non-Hollywood and regardless of genre.

A fan boy, on the other hand, is generally only enthusiastic about the big-budget Hollywood releases which are usually based on popular books or comic books or action sci-fi film franchises. He or she may see a non-franchise film from time to time but only if it gets nominated for Oscars.

I'm sick and tired of people proclaiming themselves to be "film buffs" but are really "fan boys". Which category do you guys belong to?

I'm a film buff.

NOTE: I'm not looking down on fan boys. If you're happy with the movies you're watching, that's cool but don't pretend to be a film buff.

[bob]

I kinda agree with you: A film buff is someone who can appreciate all different genres of films (I put myself in this category, see my 20 best in the Best/Worst forum if you disagree), whereas a "fanboy" generally is only enthusiastic about one or two films or franchises (like the people who's rooms are wall-to-wall Star Wars crap).

I don't think there are too many fanboys on this site.

[syxxpac]

I don't feel like being branded as Group A or Group B, so I'll just say I love movies.

Take that as you will.

[Seph]

Originally posted by syxxpac
I don't feel like being branded as Group A or Group B, so I'll just say I love movies.



Ditto. I always just say I'm "into movies." I'm a fan...

[Beeblebrox]

I'm sick and tired of people proclaiming themselves to be "film buffs" but are really "fan boys". Which category do you guys belong to?

I'm sick and tired or people categorizing OTHER people based on the movies they like.

So you can label yourself a "film buff" but no one else can. Why should the films YOU like be the criteria for who is and isn't a film buff?

[JohnTheHenchman]

I'm definitely into a wide array of films, but I also like big budget hollywood stuff too, like all the superhero stuff, so call me what you will

[quoth_the_raven]

yeah i kind of flit into both categories as well. in truth i just love cinema as a whole. i would see myself as into both areas. i dont wish to categorise myself as either, cause i think if i did, id be lying to myself and to others. i am not really either. i am sort of in the middle ground who wishes to experience the whole gamut of what cinema can offer me.

but if u want to give it a name, hows about calling me a film-boy? or whos about a fan-buff? :D:D:D:D

just kidding.


seriously, categorisation is all well and good until u meet someone like me who doesnt meet the full requirements for either category. then ur stuffed. i like a little of both, and i dont feel like i fit into either category. and i think it is too easy to apply ready made categories to people. at the end of the day, we are all into movies of one form or another, to one level or another.


beyond that common bond of "movie fans" what other common link do we need? and do we really need to be locked into one category of movie fan or another?

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I'm sick and tired or people categorizing OTHER people based on the movies they like.

So you can label yourself a "film buff" but no one else can. Why should the films YOU like be the criteria for who is and isn't a film buff? For once I agree with the man... FUCKIN A

The movies I watch are the movies I want to watch. And although I haven't seen many classics or foreign films, I consider myself a film buff. Why should you decide which movie make you a film buff/fan-boy?

I saw you make a similar argument with JoBlo. You accused him of not watching enough artsy films and basically brushed off his tastes as too pedestrian and fan-boyish.

Just be happy with what you watch and stop judging others. And for chrissake, don't fucking say you're not looking down on so-called fan-boys because thats precisely what you're doing.

[Annie Hall]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I'm sick and tired or people categorizing OTHER people based on the movies they like.

So you can label yourself a "film buff" but no one else can. Why should the films YOU like be the criteria for who is and isn't a film buff?

And, ladies and gentlemen, I actually agree. ;)

Seriously, I think it's taking things a bit far to classify "film buffs" from "fan boys", anyone who can love movies seriously, and be truly interested are fine by me. If you're a Star Wars freak, or a LOTR nut, or even a HP obsessor, if you love the films, and know them like so many "fan boys" do...all the power to ya.

Film is film...it's not fair to look down upon people because they don't have your particular tastes.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Annie Hall

Film is film...it's not fair to look down upon people because they don't have your particular tastes.



wow annie. thats beautiful and totally hjow i meant to sound.


it must be my lack of ovaries,...:)

still film is film. its all there and we should enjoy the whole lot without fear of categorisation and the prejudice that will inherently stem from that.

[Scarface98.9]

Personally, I think there shouldn't be ay generalizing. The term Film Buff is a really pretentious term IMO. A "My taste is greater than yours" type of term.

Fuck generalizing :D

[bob]

I love being sorted into a cultural stereotype.:D

[El Bracamonti]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
Personally, I think there shouldn't be ay generalizing. The term Film Buff is a really pretentious term IMO. A "My taste is greater than yours" type of term.

Fuck generalizing :D

i agree with all of that.

[electriclite]

I say I'm a "movie nut" and let them talk amongst themselves.

[Pootie]

i just callmyself a movie nerd and everyone pretty much get the point. (except the ones that think they can out-trivialize me)

[bowieee]

Where in the dictionary does it say that a film buff is a movie fan who embraces all genres and a fan boy is an uncultured swine of a person who only loves sci fi movies? I think your making up your own rules here to make a soap box to stand on and I for one don't agree.

[blankpage]

Fan boys? Kinda sounds lime my friends :D

I honestly think everyone here are film buffs. Some more then others, of course. But some film buffs are fan boys of certain movies. Take my friend dh1989 for example. Sorry to pick on yeah buddy.

As we all know, he is a fan boy of: Harry Potter, Daredevil, Terminator, and Lord of the Rings. All of those films are on his list. But look at other films he likes : Casino, Royal Tenenbaums, Gangs of New York, Raging Bull, etc. All excellent films.


Anyway, I'll stop while I'm ahead. But, I do think we're all movie buffs, some more then others (didn't I just say that!!!). Fan boys may have the film they are fan boys for, but none the less, still movie buffs.

But of course, I have the best taste in film here, so you should all be listening :D

[Buck Turgidson]

"Buff" is a verb. Only.

[Klaus Weasley]

In all fairness, I have to say that A LOT of film buffs start out as fan boys.

[Annie Hall]

Originally posted by Klaus Weasley
In all fairness, I have to say that A LOT of film buffs start out as fan boys.

"In all fairness"? Look, duder, nothing against you, but, classifying the ranks of movie fanhood just isn't right.

People who love film of any sort should be embraced...not insulted because they're not jumping up and down to rent a Godard film they've yet to see, as opposed to buying tickets to the new Matrix flick.

Seperating "film buff" from "fan boy" is giving one a false sense of superiority...is it impossible to be a Star Wars fan boy and at the same time appreciate other films?

When people ask, I say "I love movies" or "I'm a movie nut"...I don't say "I'm a film buff"...who needs to put on airs?

[Neesh]

I'm a buff boy. :p

[SubMethod]

Originally posted by Annie Hall
"In all fairness"? Look, duder, nothing against you, but, classifying the ranks of movie fanhood just isn't right.

People who love film of any sort should be embraced...not insulted because they're not jumping up and down to rent a Godard film they've yet to see, as opposed to buying tickets to the new Matrix flick.

Seperating "film buff" from "fan boy" is giving one a false sense of superiority...is it impossible to be a Star Wars fan boy and at the same time appreciate other films?

When people ask, I say "I love movies" or "I'm a movie nut"...I don't say "I'm a film buff"...who needs to put on airs?

I have to say it...

You go girl!!!:D

[Gregorious8]

I like to be called "Pre-post-Modern but before Post-pre-Modern Photoplay aficionado"

[platanero79]

I like to say I am Filmholic

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by platanero79
I like to say I am Filmholic




hmmm i might start using that one. my addiction is so sever i am now going to the theatre at last twice this weekend and will probably watch 3-5 vids/dvd.

right, well i am off to movies anonymous.


remember. there is no such thing as a movie buff or a fan boy. we are ALL movies fans here. what other distinction do we need?

[Toby]

In here, we're all SCHMOES.....

[Reigh Kaufman]

I'm a cineaste or a cinephile.

Kidding. I'm actually a pretentious tosser (don't bother, I am aware of how itchy all your fingers are now)..

I am a...

fanboyfilmbuffnerdenthusiastnutgeekscompletistanal retentive

[Dude]

A "Film-Buff" is someone who is VERY EXCITED to see that the silent screen film "Metropolis" has been beautifully restored and musically rescored to Spec in 5.1 Sound. (ME) ... a "Fan Boy" is someone who hears "Metropolis" and thinks one of two things:

1. "Hey, that's that Anime flick from last year, right"? "Awesome stuff!!!.... you mean there was another Anime of Metropolis from the the 1920's as well?.... um, that wouldnt be in B&W would it? :rolleyes:

2. Oh, yeah.. I saw that flick.. it was better with Queens' music! :rolleyes:


A "Film-Buff" is someone who is VERY EXCITED to see that the 1946 B&W French film Beauty & The Beast has been restored. (ME).. a "Fan Boy" is someone who thinks the cartoon Beauty & The Beast is more entertaining cause it's in color and is animated

(Of course this analogy doesnt apply to children) ;)

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
but if u want to give it a name, hows about calling me a film-boy? or whos about a fan-buff? :D:D:D:D


I consider myself a Buff-Fan

But thats just cuz Im really, really, ridiculously good looking!

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
I consider myself a Buff-Fan

But thats just cuz Im really, really, ridiculously good looking!



you better give me your number. i feel the need to ravage you..... :D:D

like i have said before (amd just to keep on topic) we are all movie fans. do we need any other categories?

[Grebdron]

I buff my fanboy nightly.

There are two kinds of people. Those that categorize people, and those that don't. I fall into the first category. I don't categorize.

[BorderEevilIII]

I would lean MORE towards Film Buff, but like previous threads have already mention that categories are so passe....

[Tommy Doyle]

I don't buy into the crap of film buff/fan boy. It's all categorizing and degrading. Saying one is better than the other. There's enough negativity in the world as it is, I can't believe people would want to create more over something as ridiculously moronic as what kinds of films you like!

In my personal opinion, I am, just as everyone else here is: A fan of movies. Plain and simple. Who gives a shit what kind you like.

[Jason Voorhees]

What do taste and preference mean in relation to fervor?

Nothing.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Jason Voorhees
What do taste and preference mean in relation to fervor?

Nothing.




now jason, thats is quotable. u da man.


that should be the team pink motto i think :D:D

[The Postmaster General]

You have lots of courage to take the risk that you'll ostrasize and offend half the board members here, but let me be the first to say you don't know what you are talking about.



A fan boy is someone who has devoted himself to any particular subject, be it comics, Star Wars The Brady Bunch.... They have devoted themselves to the point that it is almost immediately apparent that they love that subject. In many ways, the person is characterzed by the subject they are devoted to. (The guy in a Star Wars costume in June....)

A film buff is someone who is very knowledgable, or has a strong understanding of film. Buff derived from the common usage associated with being of good physical build. However, we specify "film". Hey, Joblo is a total film buff.

Film boy and film buff are seperate things that coexist. Being one doesn't bar you from being the other. You can be one AND the other.

Do you know a lot about many movies? Then you are a film buff. Do you ALSO like to dress up like a Vulcan and try to make people pass out using your "death grip"? Then, my pal, you are also a Star Trek fanboy.


I don't know what you're trying to do here. You're trying to give us a definition that is different than every other definition out there, and saying it like, "What's up?"


As far as me. I'm a fucking nerd.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
As far as me. I'm a fucking nerd.

Truer words were never spoken.

Nerd/film/fan/buff/boys, UNITE!!

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron


Nerd/film/fan/buff/boys, UNITE!!



now thats a catchy slogan :D

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
now thats a catchy slogan :D

Thank you! I'm here all week. Tip your waitresses.

I should take my show on the road.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Thank you! I'm here all week. Tip your waitresses.

I should take my show on the road.



are team pink going on tour? but reigh and jasonm havent finished the tour shirts. and i need to get my bikini line waxed :)


and greb, i want white dressing rooms, candles, and army of attendants.

its time for Q-LO....

:D

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
its time for Q-LO....

:D

And you called Tommy a "drama queen"?

Milk bath's on me. And make sure no low life look me in the eyes.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron
And you called Tommy a "drama queen"?

Milk bath's on me. And make sure no low life look me in the eyes.


i am not a drama queen :)

i'm a diva! and i am the most important member of team pink. oh yeah, yourself, reigh and jason arent allowed to stand in my shadow anymore.

but greb, i dont know if i can make love to u without looking in your eyes....



:D:D:D

[BorderEevilIII]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven

but greb, i dont know if i can make love to u without looking in your eyes....
:D:D:D

Get A Room U two....:rolleyes:

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
Get A Room U two....:rolleyes:



come on, u saw grebs photo. i bet u cant resist him either :D

[BorderEevilIII]

Quoth! Shhhhhhhh;)

[Grebdron]

Come to Poppa, Border.

You know you want it.

[Neesh]

What the heck is Team Pink ?

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Neesh
What the heck is Team Pink ?

A group of former porn stars who've come out of the closet.

Care to join?

[quoth_the_raven]

wow, greb asnd i thought the entry requirements were stringent.


plus, we need to get reigh and jason involved in the application process. must be all 4 of us behind the decision.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
wow, greb asnd i thought the entry requirements were stringent.


plus, we need to get reigh and jason involved in the application process. must be all 4 of us behind the decision.

And Queen Pink, BCV.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron
And Queen Pink, BCV.



true true. i always forget the ladies. i am too busy with you :)


ohh yes, categories are still bad. we all love movies, let that be enough. especially the ones that had the members of team pink in them :)

[JoBlo]

I checked out the 2nd page of this thread because the topic was a GREAT ONE started by a schmoe, but there's zero in this 2nd page that seems to have anything to do with that.

PLEASE STICK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND, EVERYONE.

Thanks.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by JoBlo
I checked out the 2nd page of this thread because the topic was a GREAT ONE started by a schmoe, but there's zero in this 2nd page that seems to have anything to do with that.

PLEASE STICK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND, EVERYONE.

Thanks.



sorry jo :(

[Neesh]

So thats THE JoBlo eh? So.... yeah, I thought this interesting thread was veering off topic, or thought maybe I missed some joke somewhere along the way. Anyways, I'll pass on the invitation to join your club, but thanks. :) I have enough ex-pornstars in my life...

Getting back on topic. The original poster had a valid rant. In essence he's just bugged by people pretending to be something theyre not. Although when it comes to film-buffs, fan boys, or whatever label he wants to smack on people, all I can say is, How the fuck is it hurting anything? No one ever died because some shmuck claimed he was into Godard, while he was really wanking off to the latest Jerry Bruckheimer flick.

[bob]

I'm a film buff/fan boy/cinephile/cineaste all wrapped up in one, and I'm proud.

[Rated R]

I am a film fan boy in the buff and no one will ever take it away from me. So what if I like some genuinely bad films? They're all for entertainment. I think we lost sight of what a movie is. It isn't supposed to change the world! I liked American Pie and I liked American Beauty and American History X and American Psycho! I realized that for me, movies can be meaningful even if it is schlock like Evil Dead. Some I will like, some I won't. If you judge me as a person from the movies I enjoy, that is a very sad occupation.

[Klaus Weasley]

Originally posted by Rated R
I am a film fan boy in the buff and no one will ever take it away from me. So what if I like some genuinely bad films? They're all for entertainment. I think we lost sight of what a movie is. It isn't supposed to change the world! I liked American Pie and I liked American Beauty and American History X and American Psycho! I realized that for me, movies can be meaningful even if it is schlock like Evil Dead. Some I will like, some I won't. If you judge me as a person from the movies I enjoy, that is a very sad occupation.


I'm sick and tired of people excusing films because it was made for "entertainment purposes". Hell, there are films out there that were made solely for entertainment purposes but had a good script, good acting and good directing. American Pie, for one, bored me.

[Razorblade Smile]

Actually I just thought the term Fan-Boy was made up for comic book fans. Didn't know it extended beyond that.

Either way, it's a bullshit phrase and shouldn't be applied to movies, because it suggests that females and barnyard animals are not allow to indulge their geekish ways like the rest of us.

Come to think of it...Film Buff is kind of a bullshit phrase too. Inherently, its means nothing other than that someone has just as much free time on their hands to watch movies as the rest of us.

Unable to pick just one, I guess I am a little bit of both and neither. I've seen a wide array of movies and yet I could probably tell you everything there is to know about how a lightsaber works. But I don't live with my mother and I have a life outside of the internet, so I guess by default that excludes me from being a 'Fan Boy'.

Awww hell. I'm just a Movie-Geek.
And don't think you're anything special just because you understood Mulholland Drive. You're a Movie-Geek too!
:D

[Andrew Tom]

Originally posted by Dude
A "Film-Buff" is someone who is VERY EXCITED to see that the silent screen film "Metropolis" has been beautifully restored and musically rescored to Spec in 5.1 Sound. (ME) ... a "Fan Boy" is someone who hears "Metropolis" and thinks one of two things:

1. "Hey, that's that Anime flick from last year, right"? "Awesome stuff!!!.... you mean there was another Anime of Metropolis from the the 1920's as well?.... um, that wouldnt be in B&W would it? :rolleyes:

2. Oh, yeah.. I saw that flick.. it was better with Queens' music! :rolleyes:


A "Film-Buff" is someone who is VERY EXCITED to see that the 1946 B&W French film Beauty & The Beast has been restored. (ME).. a "Fan Boy" is someone who thinks the cartoon Beauty & The Beast is more entertaining cause it's in color and is animated

(Of course this analogy doesnt apply to children) ;)

Umm, no. I'm very anxious to get the 2-disc version of Metropolis(1920's) and also to get the anime Metropolis. Also I'm glad to see that Beauty and the Beast from the 40's is restored and I also love that Disney version of the movie also.

I love the fact that The Good, The Bad and The Ugly could come on DVD with extra 12 minutes. But I also loved Pluto Nash. So, I don't see why you're warranted as a film-buff.

I also think that film-buff has a negative ring to it these days. When I think of a film-buff, it's a nerdish person who watches movies made before 1970's and only if they're black and white. That's probably the stereotype of a film-buff.

Stop categorising people. We're not a bunch of people, we're all individuals!

[Dude]

Um, well.. here's where YOU missed the point of my post.. where EXACTLY did I say one couldnt like BOTH? where EXACTLY did I state that (I) myself didnt like the Anime Metropolis... or that I didnt like the cartoon version of Beauty & the Beast?

ANSWER: NOWHERE

My point is that one is a FANBOY if they have no knowledge of or could care less about seeing the ORIGINAL(s) of which the other 2 were derived from.... I just assume that folks can read between the lines. :rolleyes:

As far as categorizing people according to taste in movies.. its FUN as long as its in GOOD FUN.

Calling someone a Film buff is "negative" THESE DAYS?

PLEASE... the "PC" room is down the hall to the left.. lighten up. ;)

"We're NOT a bunch of people".. we're INDIVIDUALS"!

Okayyyyy... :p

[Romero&Juliet]

*Makes a giant W with thumbs and forefingers*

'...Until both terms make some sort of universal Book, Or something, its pretty freaking pointless to debate this... its so obvious that people have different definitions of what these two actually are and people simply end up getting offended..! this is a movie board, right? A topic like this is just Begggging to piss people off..

[The Postmaster General]

Klaus what I'm trying to say is that the definitions you provided are broad, and out of context. I'm having a hard time taking your rant seriously, because you'e ranting about something from a misinformed view point.



I'm sick and tired of people excusing films because it was made for "entertainment purposes". Hell, there are films out there that were made solely for entertainment purposes but had a good script, good acting and good directing. American Pie, for one, bored me.

You didn't like American Pie solely because it was made for "entertainment purposes", but still thought the script, acting, and direction were good?

Who's to say that American Pie wasn't made to enlighten and comfort teenage virgins?

Who's to say Goddard didn't make films for fun?

Who's to say The Matrix really isn't new age propaganda, intended to brainwash people?

[Neesh]

Dude, you are right on the money man. Some people are just too damn easily offended. I'm more annoyed by people who are easily offended, and feel the need to "defend" themselves, than I am by some shmuck who wants to slap a label on movie fans.

Its all good. :cool:

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Neesh
Dude, you are right on the money man. Some people are just too damn easily offended. I'm more annoyed by people who are easily offended, and feel the need to "defend" themselves, than I am by some shmuck who wants to slap a label on movie fans.

Its all good. :cool:


Now Neesh, I am torn. I agree with what you are saying, and like what I'm hearing. It's just that I don't know if you made that post to entertain, or to inform. See, I am a true Post Buff, and only appreciate quality posts that are meant to do more than entertain

However, I found your post both entertaining, and informing. I just don't know what to think. Will someone tell me what to think, please. Is it okay for me to be a Fan Boy for posts, just this once? I need someone's approval before I can decide.














:D

[QUENTIN]

Well, I think this generalizing is pretty stupid. Who's to say someone who prefers Bertolucci to the Wachowski's or George Lucas is a film buff, and the other a fanboy. Maybe the former is just an Italian flicks fanboy, maybe the latter is a sci-fi film buff. I ADORE 2001, Superman, Fellini, Indiana Jones Trilogy, Herzog, Star Wars, Ozu, Kevin Smith, Murnau, Chaplin, John Hughes, and happen to think Metropolis is better than The Matrix but Dark City is better than both. So what does that make me? Nothing, just a dude who loves movies, just a SCHMOE.

I hated Resident Evil almost as much as I hated Birth of A Nation. Klaus Weasley/Malcolm1980, stop being so arrogant, I'm really not trying to attack you here but your opinion and those of Sight & Sound magazine are NOT the end-all-be-all of opinions, nor are anyone else's. Film buff, fan boy (for the record I always say I'm a "film geek, so where does that lie?), it's all the same, just people who love movies, and who cares what they love? That's why everyone has a right to their own opinion, and people don't have to be grouped according to taste. I've heard you diss schmoes so often, lay off, we're a bunch of fun-loving people who dig movies, and if you dig movies as much as us, just be civil.

[Beeblebrox]

To clarify, a BUFF is someone with interest and knowleldge in a particular subject.

So by definition, a "fan boy" IS a film buff. They are the same thing.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
To clarify, a BUFF is someone with interest and knowleldge in a particular subject.

So by definition, a "fan boy" IS a film buff. They are the same thing.

That settles it.

We now know.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Originally posted by Klaus Weasley
A lot of people claim to be "film buffs" but if you see the list of films they consider to be "the best" or "their favorites", they consist MOSTLY of big-budgeted Hollywood franchises (e.g. Star Wars, The Matrix, etc.). They are not film buffs but rather fan boys.

Not that there's anything wrong with being a fan boy. But there is something wrong if you're pretending something you are not.

A film buff is a person who loves the art of film as a whole. Most of them try to watch a wide array of films. Be it Hollywood or non-Hollywood and regardless of genre.

A fan boy, on the other hand, is generally only enthusiastic about the big-budget Hollywood releases which are usually based on popular books or comic books or action sci-fi film franchises. He or she may see a non-franchise film from time to time but only if it gets nominated for Oscars.

I'm sick and tired of people proclaiming themselves to be "film buffs" but are really "fan boys". Which category do you guys belong to?

I'm a film buff.

NOTE: I'm not looking down on fan boys. If you're happy with the movies you're watching, that's cool but don't pretend to be a film buff.

No, just no.

[Mick]

The definitions I would give the two terms (just in my own head, where nobody can be offended) would be:

Fan boy - Someone who knows everything there is to know about the Star Wars films, has all the books/figures whatever else. (substitute Star Wars with LOTR or something of a similar nature, if need be)

Film buff would be someone who knows a lot about a wide variety of films from many different decades/countries and takes a keen interest in directors/writers etc and how films are made.

Something like that. Doesn't mean that the latter couldn't be a huge Star Wars fanboy, too...

A lot of people seem to be making this personal, but the original rant wasn't aimed at anyone here. If someone claims to be a flim buff even though they only watch certain types of films (say, sci-fi blockbusters) then they are being a bit misleading and I don't see the problem with Klaus being pissed off by them.

Some people here need to relax with the "don't categorise me" stuff, because we all fit into categories and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Beeblebrox]

Fan boy - Someone who knows everything there is to know about the Star Wars films, has all the books/figures whatever else. (substitute Star Wars with LOTR or something of a similar nature, if need be)

Film buff would be someone who knows a lot about a wide variety of films from many different decades/countries and takes a keen interest in directors/writers etc and how films are made.

Do you know what this reminds me of? When racists try to prove their not racist by distinguishing between "good blacks" and "niggers." It doesn't matter the intent, it just matters how the people you're categorizing take it.

"Fan boy" is a deragotory term. It's meant to be negative. Your trying to explain away why it's okay to categorize other people only makes YOU look all the more pretentious and superior.

People can decide for themselves if they're film buffs or not. They don't need you to do it for them.

[therealjohng]

In here, we're all SCHMOES.....

Everyone should listen to this guy.

[The Postmaster General]

Yeah! That's that!

Name calling is like farting in the wind.



I stand by Beeblebrox's definitions over mine - which I relayed with too much optimism. Fanboy is derrogatory! No doubt, I've never heard it used in a friendly go-lucky way.

Even Klaus used it as a unevolved film fan. (Which is still the wrong definition)

[Mick]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Do you know what this reminds me of? When racists try to prove their not racist by distinguishing between "good blacks" and "niggers." It doesn't matter the intent, it just matters how the people you're categorizing take it.

:rolleyes:

It's nothing like that at all, stop being such a bloody troll all the time.


"Fan boy" is a deragotory term. It's meant to be negative. Your trying to explain away why it's okay to categorize other people only makes YOU look all the more pretentious and superior.


I wouldn't consider it to be a derogatory term at all, who are you to tell me what terms I use are derogatory? Especially ambigious terms like these. How would saying someone has a vast knowledge of a particular subject be derogatory? I'd consider myself to be a fanboy (using my definition) of The Simpsons, I'm not putting myself down by saying this.

[Sugar Magnolia]

To me, a "film buff" is someone who enjoys movies a lot . It doesn't matter what kinds of films or if it's a variety or not. They only need to love films. That would probably be all of us here.

A "fan boy" would be anyone who is a fan of any certain thing. For example, a Star Trek fan, not necessarily to the extent as you would see on the documentary Trekkies, but still a fan.

In fact, a "film buff" is a "fan boy", because they are still a fan of something, in this case movies. A "fan boy" of movies.

[bob]

I'll re-iterate what Quentin said, because I too am a post fan boy:


We're all just schmoes.

[Rated R]

Jesus Christ, I really think that some people need to have their juice. I think it's ridiculous to say someone has inferior taste in movies based on what they like. If someone enjoys something, then there's nothing wrong with that. Being unfairly judgmental is very childish, and I don't care who you are or how old you are, it is still immature.

[Tommy Doyle]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
To clarify, a BUFF is someone with interest and knowleldge in a particular subject.

So by definition, a "fan boy" IS a film buff. They are the same thing.

Sweet!!

[jackson13]

*Stands up and shouts "I am somebody damn it!"*

Seriously dudes what the hells the problem here, we all obviously like movies or we wouldn't spend so much of our time on a MOVIE discussion board. Just leave it at the fact that everyone likes different things and just because someone doesnt like what you like that doesnt me they are below you.

By the way did anyone notice how Reigh used the words "buff" "boy" "nut" and "anal" all in the same sentence?? Hmmmmm :eek:


;) :D

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by jackson13


By the way did anyone notice how Reigh used the words "buff" "boy" "nut" and "anal" all in the same sentence?? Hmmmmm :eek:


;) :D




thats reigh. its all he ever thinks about :D

but, as someone said we are all schmoes in here. the movies we are into doesnt matter. we are all part of the worldwide movie loving community. thats enough for me. if people wanna categorise, thats fine. but when u run out of categories,. when things start cropping up that dont fit into your nice, cut and dried "film buff" or "fanboy" categories, you will see that categorisation is not a good idea and should be left alone.not everything and everyone will fit into a category, which is a bit of a flaw in the whole argument. . we are all schmoes, we all love movies and not everyone is going to fit into either of those categories. i know i dont.

lets just all get along and love our movies without the fear of being put into a box. at the end of the day, the more u break things down in to categories, the greater the potential for division and prejudice. i dont really fancy this board going up in a film buff/ fan boy war.

and another thing....doesnt film buff sound just a wee bit pretentious?

drop the categories and just be content to play a part in the global movie loving community. :)

[Reigh Kaufman]

I personally think that people are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing. Call me what the hell you like, I really don't mind, but as I once said in the 'I Hate Ed Norton' thread -- a thread which JoBlo intervened in to to tell a Schmoe that calling me and others "fanboys" was not the attitude he wanted on his board --if you use the term 'fanboy' it can indicate a certain lack of perspective. Meaning the person called us fanboys, but they meant 'fawn-boys'. In using the term as such, Joblo was right - it was intended in that context to be derogatory. Then, and only then should we be annoyed at the inference...anything else is just pissing in the wind...

Call yourselves what ever you like, and if you want, if it is in the correct spirit, call me Cassandra.

P.S. Jackson13 - you can point out my foibles any time, baby. You and your Hawaiian shirt

:D

P.P.S. Anyone remember that shirt? It was awesome.

[jackson13]

Perhaps one of the most overused and popular quotes of all time seems to work here: "Cant we all just get along?"

P.S. I still got that shirt Cassandra. Wore it yesterday in fact. Its my favorite. :D

[The Postmaster General]

So who won?

[notchreturns]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
So who won?

There are no winners, my fellow schmoe. Only schmoes with opinions bigger than my dick... if that's possible...

In my humble opinion, Film-Buff, Fan-Boy, whatever. I LOVE film, that should be enough. Films don't make the man, men make the films and the first thing a man should look for is in film entertainment, plain and simple. I like my Kurosawa, Truffaut and Godard, but I also dig most Sandler and Bay films. I really don't mind watching something like City Lights, or Rashomon in one sitting, going to take a big 'ol shit, then come back and put on The Rock or Die Hard, or even American Pie.

But that's just me.

The day films-geeks start fighting about their own manhood is the day Hollywood starts making films about film-geeks fighting about their manhood....

Sounds like a shitty franchise to me.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by notchreturns
There are no winners, my fellow schmoe. Only schmoes with opinions bigger than my dick... if that's possible...


Stop me if I'm out of line, but how does your own opinion fare against your penis?

[notchreturns]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Stop me if I'm out of line, but how does your own opinion fare against your penis?


Wouldn't you like to know ;)

[Reigh Kaufman]

quote:
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Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
So who won?
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I think we all agree it was a STUNNING victory for the underdog. I am the WINNER!

*starts to sing*

"We are the champions, my friends. And we'll keep on fighting to the end! We are the champions...we are the champions...no time for LOSERS...'bos we are the champions...Of the wooooooooorrlld"

*sniffles*

I'd like to thank everyone who made this possible. Grebdron - your logic was an inspiration. Everything you said, I just contradicted and knew it MUST be right. QTR - you're militant but I love you. Bubba, well, you are my rock, Bubba. Jackson13...I dig ya...keep the homefires burning. Who else? Oh, JoBlo...you da man! And Erin Brockovich.....

*wanders off happily*

[TATU]

I really don't think we should try to categorize each other. I for one am a general horror movie fan boy but I consider myself a film buff because I know quite a bit about that particular genre. There's a lot of grey area in this type of classification that you need to learn about first.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Reigh Kaufman

QTR - you're militant but I love you. *




not sure i get your militant comment, but i love you too man!!!!


i'll be round at 10. hope u got the lube :)

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

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