THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS

[SWTommy]

The best horror film of all time. No doubt.

[pig farmer]

While No Doubt does have some good songs, I would hardly call them the best horror 'film' of all time.

[SWTommy]

Can you name another picture that won
Best Picture
Best Actor
Best Actress
Best Director
Best Screenplay

All in the same year? No I didn't think so. Its unanimous.

[SAI]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SWTommy:
Can you name another picture that won
Best Picture
Best Actor
Best Actress
Best Director
Best Screenplay

All in the same year? No I didn't think so. Its unanimous.</font>

I think One Flew OPver The Cuckoo's Nest Did. I know SOTL was the third film to win the top 5 oscars.

[malaria]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SWTommy:
Can you name another picture that won
Best Picture
Best Actor
Best Actress
Best Director
Best Screenplay

All in the same year? No I didn't think so. Its unanimous.</font>

Pfhhh. "Titanic" won more than that. That's all I'm saying.

[SWTommy]

I meant name another horror film that has 5 oscars in one year, you can't.

[Toxferatu]

silence fuckin rules!!!!!!

one of the best ever made in my humble opinion.


but i think i like manhunter better.

[rockerbaby604]

I Fuckin love this movie! The Story, Acting. One of the best movies ever made.

[SWTommy]

I never saw Manhunter and I won't yet, because Red Dragon will be out in October. I think it'll be just as good or even better than manhunter from all the feedback its getting. We shall see.

[Boogeyman]

yeah, its pretty good. i think its one of the classics. its not one of my favorites but still a classic.

later

[malaria]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SWTommy:
I meant name another horror film that has 5 oscars in one year, you can't. </font>

My distain isn't for SOTL but is for the Oscars.
Oscar does not necessarily a good movie make. The fact that A Beautiful Mind (which flopped miserably here) won best film over LOTR says it all.
Altogether now: Fuck the Oscars.

[Kenny's Dead!!]

manhunter sucks. it chops the hannibal lechter story up so bad that he ends up being nothin more then some old guy who likes to kill college girls. they even spell his name wrong! leckter! red dragon looks really kewl and i have been eagerly awaiting its release since i saw the trailer with minority report. silence is a classic, no qustion. hannibal was a near perfect follow up and im expectin nothing less from red dragon and i dont think ill be dissapointed.

[SWTommy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by malaria:
My distain isn't for SOTL but is for the Oscars.
Oscar does not necessarily a good movie make. The fact that A Beautiful Mind (which flopped miserably here) won best film over LOTR says it all.
Altogether now: Fuck the Oscars. </font>

Oscars = $$$. Just ask Tom Hanks.

[adidas12185]

Silence of the Lambs isn't a true horror movie, its more of a psychological thriller with some horror elements. Don't get me wrong, I consider S.O.T.L. a classic but it isn't hands down the best overall horror film imo. Its considered hybrid horror.

Silence of the Lambs- Demme 9/10
Hannibal- R. Scott 8/10

[SWTommy]

I got the DVD and they have a Documentary on it saying its Horror/Psy. Thriller. But mostly they call it a Horror. Just wondering what does IMO mean?

[blankpage]

Just because a horror film won Five Oscars in the same film in one year doesn't really make it the best horror film.Many people would say Haloween is the best horror film.The Oscars don't determine wether a certain Horror film is better then the other.

The film itself was amazing.One of the best,the rich dialouge by Hannibal gives him his true creepiness.The directon was great and the score was daunting.The acting was very well done by Anthony Hopkins.Jodie Foster was the heart and soul of the movie possibly.I saw this film when I was Eleven,I thought it was the best movie ever.Now I am Fourteen and have seen other films,but this is still one of the best.

*****/*****

Manhunter on the hand is not as superior to Silence of the Lambs,not even close.It is dry and stale and ruins the whole concept of the Lector thing.Brian Cox couldn't bring the brilliance of Lector.

**1/2/*****

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[malaria]

IMO = In My Opinion

Please young 'uns take no offence, I am always thrilled to be amongst youngsters with an active interest in the horror genre but you have to realise that at such a tender age your tastes are yet to mature. I still love the Friday 13ths and Screams as much as the next guy but when it comes to psychological horror I believe you still have a lot to learn.
Opinion is one thing but you are in effect saying that Hannibal is a better film than Manhunter which IMO is ridiculous. Hannibal is just a slasher film with no brains (okay, well maybe one duh!). Manhunter is the thinking man's SOTL and Hannibal is SOTL made for thrillseeking gore hounds. It was dumb and pointless and I wish it was never written in the 1st place. I hope one day you guys will give Manhunter the reappraisal it richly deserves and maybe see it in a new light.

[Jason13thh]

I think Manhunter was superior, nowadays a lot of people think the same.
The tiger - scene with the blind woman is beautiful !!
Very good songs, too.

[countchocula]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by malaria:
Hannibal is just a slasher film with no brains (okay, well maybe one duh!). Manhunter is the thinking man's SOTL and Hannibal is SOTL made for thrillseeking gore hounds. It was dumb and pointless and I wish it was never written in the 1st place. I hope one day you guys will give Manhunter the reappraisal it richly deserves and maybe see it in a new light.</font>

I'll just ignore your unfair generalization, and glide right into why I prefer Hannibal to Manhunter. Yes, Hannibal isn’t quite as astute or intelligent as previous entries, but the intention wasn’t to outsmart its predecessor. Hopkins camped it up, the gore was abundant, and perhaps the slick visuals compensated for the lack of a coherent script. Does this detract from the film’s overall entertainment value? For some, probably so. For me, absolutely not. I appreciate psychological fare, but not every film needs to have cerebral subtext. Manhunter didn’t captivate me in the slightest. Mann directed it with style, but the characters, dialogue, and storyline all felt bland. The Tooth Fairy didn’t intrigue or intimidate me, he just bored me senseless. Also, the “climactic” ending was so routine, that I was indifferent as to who survived and who didn’t. “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida” is a great tune, but it brought more to Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare than it did to this tired mess.

[heretic]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by adidas12185:
Silence of the Lambs isn't a true horror movie, its more of a psychological thriller with some horror elements. Don't get me wrong, I consider S.O.T.L. a classic but it isn't hands down the best overall horror film imo. Its considered hybrid horror.

Silence of the Lambs- Demme 9/10
Hannibal- R. Scott 8/10 </font>


I agree totaly

[stevereno]

i havent seen MANHUNTER of HANNIBAL but SILENCE OF THE LAMBS is a great flick, IMO. it was very creepy and haunting. GREAT ACTING!

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

[Kenny's Dead!!]

manhunter is a crime against hannibal the cannibal. it was sooo stupid. in the red dragon book it describes graham's face as "hard to look at", in the end of the movie he has a tiny scratch! i dont mind changing the book to suit the movie but damn! the book had so many kewl and creepy things goin for it but whoever wrote the script dropped vitually all of them! i think we should all pretend that this never happened and go see red dragon on oct. 4.

[Kenny's Dead!!]

also, hannibal was great. it isnt supposed to be a sequel folks, more of a stand alone movie. to compare it to SOTL is unfair cuz SOTL puts most other movies to shame. silence was so good that no matter how good the follow up is it will be looked at as inferior. so look at it as a stand alone movie and you will be in for a pleasent and disturbing ride.

[SWTommy]

Where Manhunter failed in its flaws from what I heard, I will say Red Dragon will succeed and become a pretty good flick.

[stevereno]

is manhunter worth renting?

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

[SWTommy]

Not anymore :-)

[countchocula]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stevereno:
is manhunter worth renting?</font>

Yeah, it's worth renting. The odds are you'll enjoy it since most genre fans hail it as a masterpiece.

[stevereno]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by countchocula:
Yeah, it's worth renting. The odds are you'll enjoy it since most genre fans hail it as a masterpiece.</font>

my friend has it i'll borrow it, why do so many people pretend it dosent exist?

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

[Kenny's Dead!!]

2 words: no hopkins. also, like i said before the back story is a mess. to me this movie looks and feels like a long version of miami vice. its a cops and robbers type movie with bad settings and no scares. can anyone tell me why virtually every building in this movie is white? even lechter's cell is white! the dungeon from SOTL was infinitley better. dont waste any $ on this flick. if u can borrow it good. save ur $ for red dragon.

[SWTommy]

I couldn't agree with you more kenny. Yea anybody who hasn't seen Manhunter like myself, don't see it. Wait til Oct. 4 and go see Red Dragon, that's just my advice for people who haven't seen Manhunter.

[Toxferatu]

why is no one supposed to watch a movie cause you dont like it?

sorry, but thats an asshole thing to say. how the hell do you know they wont like it?

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stevereno:
is manhunter worth renting?</font>

Yes you should rent it, Manhunter is an excellent movie though it is not a horror movie like Silence of the Lambs or Hannibal. It is just a dark detective story. Manhunter does not fit with Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal. It is a completely different type of movie that does not have the creepy horror elements that the book did. That is why they are making the Red Dragon, so we will have the entire trilogy and every movie will be a horror/suspense movie. But as it's own movie, Manhunter is a must see.

[SWTommy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Toxferatu:
why is no one supposed to watch a movie cause you dont like it?

sorry, but thats an asshole thing to say. how the hell do you know they wont like it?

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I only say what I did because in this case Red Dragon is a remake of Red Dragon and since I'm seeing Red Dragon next month there's no point in renting Manhunter, because it'll just ruin my experience seeing Red Dragon, I'll probably view Manhunter after I see Red Dragon most likely, this is cases like this if I haven't seen a movie that's already being remade. Ex. Psycho. I almost never judge a movie without seeing it first.

[Kenny's Dead!!]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Toxferatu:
why is no one supposed to watch a movie cause you dont like it?

sorry, but thats an asshole thing to say. how the hell do you know they wont like it?

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just cuz myself or someone else advises against seeing a movie doesnt mean no one else is allowed to watch it. knock urself out! ur right just cuz 1 person doesnt like somethin doesnt mean someone else wont. i liked H8 but some didnt. i happen to think manhunter is a waste of time, someone else might not. its all a matter of opinion. mine is to avoid manhunter and wait for red dragon. if u really want to watch manhunter be my guest, u might like it. anything is possible.

[malaria]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kenny's Dead!!:
2 words: no hopkins. also, like i said before the back story is a mess. to me this movie looks and feels like a long version of miami vice. its a cops and robbers type movie with bad settings and no scares. can anyone tell me why virtually every building in this movie is white? even lechter's cell is white! the dungeon from SOTL was infinitley better. dont waste any $ on this flick. if u can borrow it good. save ur $ for red dragon.</font>

I found the white cells extremely creepy. Manhunter is about what's 'below the surface'. About what you don't see. That is why they didn't go all out with the creepy dungeon cells. That is why I suspect they left the physical scarring out of the film. Graham is mentally scarred and any amount of physical bruising can't equate to that.
MANHUNTER (& POSSIBLE RED DRAGON) SPOILER.
I'm sorry but if you think that Graham escaped with a mere tiny scratch then you just simply didn't understand the film AT ALL.
SPOILER FOR HANNIBAL:
*If you want to see someone eating
*someone's brains, or have a need to SEE
*someones entrails spilling out
*then watch Braindead or a Troma
*film. Hannibal was made for kids.
*Hollywood is about money.
*Gore/slashers = Teens.
*Teens = money.
*If you think you're up to the
*challenge of a REAL psychological
*thinking man's film then I recommend
*Manhunter with all my heart.
*It's not gory, but I personally
*found it much more disturbing than
*the others.

[Kenny's Dead!!]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by malaria:

MANHUNTER (& POSSIBLE RED DRAGON) SPOILER.
I'm sorry but if you think that Graham escaped with a mere tiny scratch then you just simply didn't understand the film AT ALL.
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he didnt look to emotionally scarred to me. staring out at the ocean with his wife while the kid skipped rocks. in the red dragon book they describe his face as "hard to look at", hell, they even make a point of mentioning the facial scarring in SOTL book. im just sayin that it seemed to me manhunter wussed out on a lot of really kewl things. also manhunter is NOT a psychological movie. this is a straight up cops and robbers style action movie. i've seen it a couple of times and for the life of me i cant figure out where any of these supposed psychological scenes are. manhunter is simply put not my kind of movie. now i know it has its own following but i prefer SOTL and Hannibal. also, there is only ONE man who i will call hannibal lechter. and that is anthony hopkins.

[malaria]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kenny's Dead!!:
he didnt look to emotionally scarred to me. staring out at the ocean with his wife while the kid skipped rocks. in the red dragon book they describe his face as "hard to look at", hell, they even make a point of mentioning the facial scarring in SOTL book..</font>
Again you're making the mistake of equating physical scarring with mental scarring.
The physical scarring in the book was left out of the film because it wasn't really relevent. Since Will Graham's character development focuses on his mental state it's only fitting that it end this way.
Physical scarring is not something that scares Will. It is his conflict within.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kenny's Dead!!:

...manhunter is NOT a psychological movie. this is a straight up cops and robbers style action movie. i've seen it a couple of times and for the life of me i cant figure out where any of these supposed psychological scenes are.
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Will Graham does not track down the killer with standard FBI tracking techniques. He is a PSYCHOLOGICAL profiler. He tracks them with his uncanny PSYCHOLOGICAL ability to sympathise with (not just understand) the killer.
We hear that this ability corrupted and incarcerated him at one point, and that it took years before he recovered from his madness.

I could be here all day reeling off examples of psychological aspects to this film but I'll give just a few for now.
How about the famous Tiger scene for instance. The killer watches the girl as she strokes the tiger and gets carried away/turned on.
This is beauty and innocence (further illustrated by her blindness which intrigues and attracts him like a moth to a flame - see the 1st scene where the eyes are blanked out in the killer's POV "it's all about seeing")
She is stroking the beast, the predator, the killer. This is beauty and the beast. Love defeating evil.
And then there's the part where he raises her slim hand to his pock-scarred thick-set lips, another beautiful scene. And it is as if he is suddenly overwhelmed by guilt, the purity of innocence, his own power to corrupt and kill. And it is then that he seems to realise that true power is to know that, and to have the will to resist.
Of course when he himself becomes 'blinded' (by jealousy) he seems to transform at the realisation that true innocence does not exist. And the dragon takes over.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kenny's Dead!!:

manhunter is simply put not my kind of movie. now i know it has its own following but i prefer SOTL and Hannibal. also, there is only ONE man who i will call hannibal lechter. and that is anthony hopkins.</font>
Well that's YOUR opinion.

[Kenny's Dead!!]

dude i think u may be reading alittle too much into this movie. i also think we have different opinions on a psychological movie. i think psychological and i think of movies like the 6th sense, signs and the other for some modern examples. these flicks build up atmosphere and tension by makin u care about the characters and fear for them. 5 min. into this i knew that no one of any relavence was in danger so i wasnt worried about them. the crappy, bland sets and dialogue killed all tension. that scene in the supermarket with the kid? good lord i was tryin hard not to throw up. the stalks sequences in this fell flat because, again i didnt care about the characters nor was i worried that they would get hurt. also, come on! francis dolyerhyde? man did he blow in this or what? little puppies are scarier then this guy was. he seemed almost to be a walkin joke. all his lines really made him sound like an ass and i knew the only idiot that had to worry about him was the freakin reporter. and yes it IS my opinion that this movie is bland tasteless crap. u have ur own and are entitled to it. seriously though, are u going to tell me the guy who played lechter was better then hopkins? i hope not. i think RD was one of the better thomas harris books but manhunter just made a mockery of it.