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MarkItZero

06-04-2003, 10:16 AM

A sad sad night in Chicago.

My guess is that this was not a regular thing for Sammy. I know its gonna be hard to believe him and no matter what, he will always have this tarnish on his record. But it is my belief that he probably used this bat (knowingly) simply because of the slump he was in.

Sammy is a guy who really cares about what other people think. Ever since he got hit in the head, everbody has been whispering that Sammy hasnt been the same. And I think that was really bothering him. His last homerun was sometime back in April I believe. So I think he was searching for any advantage he could get to snap out of his slump, and it probably would only take one good shot out to Waveland avenue for everyone to start cheering that the old Sammy is back. He feeds off of that. He needs that acceptance.

So he cheated. And he got caught. And it completely ruins his reputation.

Bad move Sammy.

But the Cubbies are still in first place and the Bears are about to sign Urlacher to a longterm contract to keep him here for the rest of his career, so at least not everything has gone to shit.

ps
I wonder if they are gonna film an alternate ending to the home run contest Pepsi commercial between Giambi and Sammy. After Sammy hits his ball farther, Giambi says "Hey let me see that bat!"

Puck Bond

06-04-2003, 10:31 AM

Oh....boohoo...Sammy got caught cheating the most beloved player in the game blows it big time...I love it! I hope this story goes on for a while and people rip him a new one. Nothing personally against Sammy...he's a great ball player cork bat or not. Just glad to see you guys try and defend this...now you know what it feels like to defend your star player...At least everyone loves Sammy and has that goin' for him. no matter if it was a mistake or not...this taints his whole range of accomplishments over the past few years...he'll still be in the hall, but will always have this cloud over him.

Let Corkgate and the Sosa bashing continue!

jackson13

06-04-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
So the fact that he had a corked bat in the dugout during a game is meaningless?

Yes.

Sosa used the bat in practice to put on a show for the fans. He wanted to give them thier moneys worth, and thats fine with me because everybody loves to see the long-ball hit. Once the game started, Sammy grabbed the wrong bat, he said so himself. At least the man has stepped up and apologized and admitted he makes a mistake. It takes a man to make a mistake, but it takes an even bigger man to admit to making that mistake. Sammy apologized, and I have forgiven him. Besides, there are 40-50 bats in the average dugout, I can easily see how he grabbed the wrong one.

PapaJupe2k

06-04-2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Any predictions regarding the number of games he'll be suspended? I say 7. Almost everybody loves Sammy and he's a good guy so he won't be getting much more than that. That's an interesting question, it'll be interesting to see what the public reation and media reaction is to this incident. Sammy is a pretty beloved figure as opposed to say someone like Barry Bonds. Like it or not I'm sure that will factor into the decision making.

MarkItZero

06-04-2003, 12:49 PM

I think they have to be pretty tough on him.

Its a black eye for all of baseball, especially during a time when they are constantly defending the league over allegations of steriod use and how that lessens the importance of the game's history.

So I expect something in the 12-15 game range.

Which sucks for the Cubs, cuz they could really use Sammy's bat (corked or uncorked) in the lineup.

PapaJupe2k

06-04-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by free
And what about the Brett incident? Not to draw attention away from the Sammy incident, JUST because I'm a Cubs fan, but.....:D

I think the George Brett thing was a legitimate accident, he just had pine tar an inch or so to high on the bat handle. Unless he carried around a tape measure he wouldn't have know that. That homerun was reinstated I believe also.

A corked bat on the other hand is a bit more difficult to defend.

Haddonfield

06-04-2003, 01:25 PM

Ive got a question, and this is just for conversation sake...

using a corked bat can directly affect the outcome of a game right? if someone hits a game winning homer and the bat was corked maybe they dont hit that home run right? So of course it is not allowed...

It is also not allowed to bet on baseball...If Pete Rose was betting on his team while he was manager then that would affect the outcome of a game correct?

in both cases you would have no idea if a player was using a corked bat or if a manager was betting on his game unless they got caught...yet when they do get caught one gets banned for life the other gets fined and suspended for a few weeks...

Yet, their actions did the EXACT same thing and thats directly affect the outcome of a ballgame.

to a lesser extent the same could be said about throwing a spit-ball or scuffing the ball...for pine tar...stealing signs...

I just wonder why some illegal actions are treated differently.

Like in hockey..if a guy gets up from a cheap shot the offender gets less of a punishment than if he put someone in the hospital for the same cheap shot...

Just somethings Ive been wondering.

MarkItZero

06-04-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Just somethings Ive been wondering.

I think you have a pretty good point there. Though, obviously Sammy isnt gonna get the Pete Rose treatment. But both actions definately do hurt the integrity of the sport as well as afftect the outcome of a game. So I couldnt really explain why one results in a life ban while the other is only a ten game suspension.

I guess the only thing I could liken it to is the difference in yards for football facemask penalties.

A defensive player can be penalized either 5 yards or 15 yards for grabbing an opposing players facemask. The referee must make a judgement call on the intent of the defensive player. If the player simply grabs and lets go of the mask, it is only a 5 yard penalty; however is the defender uses the facemask to twist the player's head, it becomes a 15 yard penalty.

While both versions of the penalty accomplish the same thing, illegally changing the outcome of the play, they are distinguished by intent and severity. Similarly, both Rose and Sosa attempted to affect the outcome of a baseball game, but the league officials are gonna make a judgement call based upon what they feel is the intent and severity of the action.

Im not sure if that makes any sense, and Im not saying I am right about anything, but that is one attempt to come up with an answer to your question.

Indiana Sev

06-04-2003, 03:38 PM

I actually feel bad for Sammy now, I mean suppose it WAS a mistake, either way he'll always have this hanging over him, even if he is innocent. There's no getting around that. It sucks to be him right now.

It could have been a case of really bad luck...

FeverDog420

06-04-2003, 04:58 PM

Okay, Jackson, you forgive Sammy. I just wonder if you'd be so quick to cut some slack if it was, say, Jason Giambi who'd been busted.

MarkItZero

06-04-2003, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Okay, Jackson, you forgive Sammy. I just wonder if you'd be so quick to cut some slack if it was, say, Jason Giambi who'd been busted.

Well, we all know that if it was Giambi, that this wasnt just an isolated incident. He has probably been cheating for years.

Those Yankee Bastards!
:D

FeverDog420

06-04-2003, 05:08 PM

And I wonder how many other times Sammy "accidentally" used a corked BP bat in games. What are the odds that the "first" time he made this "mistake," he's busted?

jackson13

06-04-2003, 08:39 PM

Know why I forgave him? Because hes human. He made a mistake. He had something like 77 bats and they checked all of em out, none of em had cork. They were all together in the dugout, and he picked one up to go to bat with. Unfortunately it was the wrong one. Just a case of bad luck thats all. And hey, it could be worse, like the Albert Belle incident.

Puck Bond

06-05-2003, 11:12 AM

Ok...after soaking this story up for a day and hearing his other 70 odd bats are clean...I tend to believe Sammy, because he seems like a genuinely decent guy, but no matter if this is a one time deal and just a simple isolated mistake he has put questions and doubt in the mind of the media and the fans...and that's all it takes.

I watched a lot of ESPN yesterday to see all the experts reactions etc...and Rob Dibble had a very good point which people seem to be missing...you're Sammy Sosa OK...one of the best and the most well liked player in the game...and you have a BP bat with cork in it. You better make damn sure you know where that bat is at all times...it should have flashing lights on it so he can tell the difference. Come game time...that bat should be nowhere near the field of play...so I don't completely buy the well I picked it up by mistake excuse.

Let's face it Sammy is in a big time slump...hasn't hit a HR in over a month(and only has 6 this season), he's been injured, beaned etc. it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility he tried to use the bat to break out of his slump...I'm not accusing him of cheating, but it's a possibility.

I'm gonna bring up a touchy subject now...Sosa's nationality and how it relates to his apology. Everytime I watch or hear Sosa being interviewed he sounds the same(and the same goes for all latino players) his english is good, but his accent and voice always sounds the same. When players/coaches who are American's fuck up and apologize, we can tell if they are contrite and sincere with their apologies or if they are fake and just reading a statement they have never read until the day of the press conference. Now Sosa came out right away and faced the media and he basically spoke in the same tone he always does. So, I can't tell whteher he is genuine with his apology or not. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's a point I think needs to be mentioned.

Did anyone catch Baseball Tonight's "Say It Ain't Sosa" special? I only caught the last 30 mins. Is it just me or is SI writer Rick Reiley(sp?) a real asshole! man he seems so vindictive with his comments on Sammy, just accuses him of being a flat out cheater and all this steroid test business he went through with him. I don't know the fact of that stuff, but he just seems out to get him. This guy just looks like an asshole...and also what is Bobby Valentine on about. He kept yelling about how corking a bat makes no difference to how far you can hit a baseball. He may be right or wrong I don't know...but that isn't the issue. The fact is ball-players thinks it makes a difference, either they wouldn't have corked bats! Sosa said it "To put on a show for the fans in BP" In Sosa's mind a corked bat adds distance! Doesn't matter if it actually does or not...in the psychology of players minds it does! If it's a stupid rule...then change the rule book, but as it stands it's a violation of "don't doctor a bat". Surprised MLB hasn't handed out a suspension yet...probably today.

These are just my thoughts on the matter...jackson...if Barry Bonds had done this I would have forgiven him too, hehe...support your Home town heroes I say! Cub fans have been through enough...they didn't need this, and I liked their reactions in last night's game with some of the signs they had..."Just blame the bat boy!" "It was a white-sox fan" lol classic!

On a side note Giants came back to win last night 4-3 against the Twinkies. The Twins were 27-0 heading into the 7th with a lead until last night. Down 3-1 in the 8th Giants scored 2 runs to tie, and should have taken a lead with the bases loaded and nobody out. In the 9th Barry Bonds singled in the winning run with the bases loaded and 2 outs to win the game. Barry also had an RBI triple(yes he can still run when he can! lol) earlier in the game.

horrorfreak13

06-05-2003, 12:51 PM

After thinking about it for a day here's my take on it. Sosa's 76 bats are clean and I tend to believe that it was a mistake that Sosa grabbed the wrong bat. Althought what is a power hitter like Sosa doing with a corked bat. We all remember Albert Belle's corked bat incident wher I think he got somewhere around 10 games, but we will be wondering if he has used a corked bat for all those home runs.

I probably expect Sosa to get around 8-12 games which will definitly keep him out of the series against the Yankees and most likely the Blue Jays in Toronto next weekend.

MarkItZero

06-05-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I probably expect Sosa to get around 8-12 games which will definitly keep him out of the series against the Yankees and most likely the Blue Jays in Toronto next weekend.

I expect the suspension to be about the same, however, I think there is a pretty decent chance that he will still play against the Yankees this weekend.

I think MLB will be very slow in making a decision on Sammy, and then when they do announce the suspension (maybe friday) Sammy will still be able to appeal the suspension which will last at least through the weekend, which means he will be able to play against the Yanks.

MLB knows that a lot of people will be watching that series against the Yanks, and what better way to add even more viewers than to have Sammy playing.

There is simply too much hype for the game to not let Sosa play.

PapaJupe2k

06-05-2003, 03:38 PM

Yeah, he'll definitely appeal, and that process will take some time. He'll be in the lineup for big weekend series with the Yanks.

Hey the bats finally woke up today! 8-0 in the 5th, I hope they dont use all their hits today and save some for the Yankees.

Grebdron

06-05-2003, 04:20 PM

He corked his bat. He got caught. I guarantee you it wasn't the first time.

And Rick Reilly doesn't like him because Sosa blew up at him. Went into a steroid-induced rage when Reilly said Sosa could assuage the fans' concerns about steroid use by simply taking a test. He offered Sosa an address of a local testing facility, and Sosa exploded.

Fuck him.

jackson13

06-05-2003, 05:22 PM

Fuck who, Reily or Sosa? When the whole steroids issue showed up, Sammy vehemently (sp?) declined that he was on such drugs, he even volunteered to take a test. Problem is, Sosa is a role model for so many young baseball fans, and people are always looking for some reason to exploit him. It will always be that way with famous, excellent players.

Grebdron

06-05-2003, 05:28 PM

That's the thing, Jackson. Sosa CLAIMED to be willing to take a test. But when Reilly suggested he do just that, and offered up the address, Sosa flew into a rage. Why not just get tested, and be done with it?

Indiana Sev

06-05-2003, 11:52 PM

Apparently they checked Sammy's bats in the hall of fame and they're all fine...

Sammy may have been telling the truth.

MarkItZero

06-06-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Grebdron
That's the thing, Jackson. Sosa CLAIMED to be willing to take a test. But when Reilly suggested he do just that, and offered up the address, Sosa flew into a rage. Why not just get tested, and be done with it?

Reilly was a dick about it.

I lost so much respect for Reilly after that incident. It was little more than a ploy to get his name in the papers by trying to drag down a beloved sports figure.

If Reilly had handled the whole thing better, it wouldnt have turned out the same way. But he came grandstanding into the loker room determined to make Sammy look bad by shoving that address in his face and calling him out in front of the press and the team. Sammy doesnt have to take that shit.

If Reilly was actually concerned about the integrity of the game, then he would have come to Sammy not as an accuser but as someone who is trying to convince Sosa that this would be good for baseball.

Grebdron

06-06-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Reilly was a dick about it.

I lost so much respect for Reilly after that incident. It was little more than a ploy to get his name in the papers by trying to drag down a beloved sports figure.

If Reilly had handled the whole thing better, it wouldnt have turned out the same way. But he came grandstanding into the loker room determined to make Sammy look bad by shoving that address in his face and calling him out in front of the press and the team. Sammy doesnt have to take that shit.

If Reilly was actually concerned about the integrity of the game, then he would have come to Sammy not as an accuser but as someone who is trying to convince Sosa that this would be good for baseball.

Your love for Sammy is showing. And that's cool. But...

Reilly doesn't need to "get his name in the papers." He's an extremely well-respected sports writer, and one of the best, if not THE best, since Jim Murray died. If Sosa weren't juicing, an accusation wouldn't matter. He'd have been happy to take a test. But the tantrum he threw pretty much displayed the symptoms of a juicer.

He DOES steroids, and he DID have a corked bat. How you deal with those facts is up to you. But turning a blind eye won't make it go away.

MarkItZero

06-06-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Grebdron
He DOES steroids, and he DID have a corked bat. How you deal with those facts is up to you. But turning a blind eye won't make it go away.

I tend to think that he probably does do steriods, and he obviosly had a corked bat (on purpose IMO). But I still think that Reilly handled the whole incident very poorly.

If his goal was really just to get Sammy to take the test and either prove or disprove his innocence, then I am sure that he is smart enough to know that there are better ways to go about it.

But he knew that if he harrassed Sammy and Sammy got pissed, then that would be the big news. His intentions were either to make Sammy look bad or to make himself look like a crusader of justice, it had nothing to do with whether Sammy was juicing or not.

Grebdron

06-06-2003, 01:02 PM

I think he did it the way he did to show the hypocrisy of MLB players. And he succeeded. He made a "nice guy" blow up.

Mission accomplished.

horrorfreak13

06-06-2003, 01:16 PM

It has been announced that Sammy Sosa has been suspended for 8 games by MLB for using a corked bat.

Sosa is immediatly appealing the decision which means he will play in the series against the Yankees starting tonight.

MarkItZero

06-06-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Sosa is immediatly appealing the decision which means he will play in the series against the Yankees starting tonight.

Starting sooner than that.

I can see the Cubs fans walking past my office window right now.

I only have seen one Yankees fan so far, so I set off my car alarm using the remote as he walked past it.
(oh, the things we do to amuse ourselves at work :p)

MarkItZero

06-06-2003, 02:09 PM

:D
From ESPN.com

http://msn.espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/030606_quickie.gif

FeverDog420

06-06-2003, 09:03 PM

Boomer pitched a BEAUT! Really, he threw only two bad pitches all game, and didn't give up a single walk.

BTW, why all the hate in Chicago towards him? He really only pitched half a season for the White Sox in 2001, and that was with a mangled lower back. He liked it there, and had a decent 4.47 ERA for the season (team average for starters was 5.39 - Baseball Library (http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/teams/2001whitesox.stm)).

So, why all the boo birds?

jackson13

06-06-2003, 09:29 PM

Even though my Cubbies lost, I do have to give credit to Boomer, he pitched an excellent game and even got his first ever Double. He looked like he needed an oxygen mask once he got to second but it was a double nonetheless. :D

Tommorow is the game that really matters though. Clemens is goin down!

SanduskyPA

06-07-2003, 03:37 PM

Clemens win #300.............................................. .

DENIED.

PapaJupe2k

06-07-2003, 04:18 PM

I wonder if Torre's gonna take a little heat for for pulling Clemens. Bad move.

FeverDog420

06-07-2003, 04:23 PM

Bring me the head of Juan Acevedo.

PapaJupe2k

06-07-2003, 05:41 PM

Yeah, even as a Cub fan I have to say that taking Clemens out in the 7th inning at the 85 pitch mark is ridiculous.:rolleyes: This isn't game 7 of the world series or anything. The guys trying to make history, only to have Acevedo blow for him. He didn't look none too happy to be coming out either. I did cheer my ass off when Karros hit the home run though.:D

Benny

06-07-2003, 11:30 PM

I think that 8 games is a fair and just penalty for Corkin' Sammy. However, I thought that Sosa should not have been a baby and appealed, just so that he could play the Yankees. I can't wait to hear what Rick Reilly has to say about it in SI next week... :rolleyes:

jackson13

06-08-2003, 12:29 AM

Cubs win, Cubs win!

Good thing Choi is ok, that dudes getting Rookie of the Year honors this year, you wait and see.

And Sosa being a baby by appealing? What the hell? The man loves the game more than anything, all he wants to do is play. play, play. If you were looking forward to an upcoming series in which your team was playing a team they hadnt played since the 1938 W.S., wouldn't you do everything in your power to play in that series as well? Sammy just wanted to be in the series, nothing wrong with that. Hopefully his 8 game suspension will come when we dont need him, like during a trip to Milwaukee or something.

Hell If my team was playing the Yankees, I'd appeal whatever shit was going on in my life as well that way I could play.

Best part of today though, other than Karros 3 run homer:
ROCKET HAS TO WAIT EVEN LONGER!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Benny

06-08-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by jackson13

And Sosa being a baby by appealing? What the hell? The man loves the game more than anything, all he wants to do is play. play, play. If you were looking forward to an upcoming series in which your team was playing a team they hadnt played since the 1938 W.S., wouldn't you do everything in your power to play in that series as well? Sammy just wanted to be in the series, nothing wrong with that. Hopefully his 8 game suspension will come when we dont need him, like during a trip to Milwaukee or something.

Hell If my team was playing the Yankees, I'd appeal whatever shit was going on in my life as well that way I could play.

I just thought that part of Sosa's punishment should be that he doesn't get to appeal to play the Yanks, because what he did was wrong and he should just accept the punishment.

jackson13

06-08-2003, 05:43 PM

Using a corked bat in practice to put on a show for the fans, then misakenly grabbing it during the game is so wrong!!!!! He should be damned to hell for eternity for making a mistake like that!! We cannot have baseball players making mistakes during a game and then being men and apologizing for it. That shit just isnt gonna fly!!!

;)

jackson13

06-08-2003, 08:54 PM

Im really beginning to despise ESPN. They made Americas greatest ball-park (Wrigley Field) look like Sponsor Field. They got their damn ESPN signs up everywhere and a stupid ass neon green sign up behind homeplate.

I should be ok for now though, ESPN shows like a maximum of 2 Cubs games a year, plus Cubbies are up 4-0 right now.

jackson13

06-08-2003, 10:48 PM

Quite the series that was. Clemens gets denied, Wood gets his 50th career win, Sosa gets his 2,000th career hit and the Cubs surprise a lot of people (not me) by taking the series from those Damn Yankees. I keep saying it, Cubs are a force to be reckoned with this year, they definitely proved that this weekend against the Yanks.

And what a way to end the game. Yanks lose by a PICK-OFF. Geez, how often does that happen? HAHAHA.

I look for a rematch come this October, with the Cubs once again taking the SERIES. WORLD SERIES that is.

FeverDog420

06-08-2003, 11:30 PM

Bring me the head of Charles Gipson. :mad:

Indiana Sev

06-09-2003, 05:36 AM

The Expos are off to their best start in years and it's not making a bit of difference because those annoying Braves are also playing dynamite.

If this keeps up we can only hope for the Wild Card. We're 2 up on the Cubs right now. :D

MarkItZero

06-09-2003, 10:00 AM

Wooooohooooooooooo!

Cubs take 2 of 3 from the much despised Yankees!

Clemens is denied his chance at 300 AGAIN!
And the upper respitory illness he has may cause him to have to retire and forever be stuck on the impressive though unremarkable 299 career wins (as requested by ESPN.com's Bill Simmons (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/030527.html) )

Big Choi is home and on the road to recovery!

Can you believe he held onto that ball!

"Slammin" Sammy will officially go on record today and change his name to "RBI Single" Sammy!

Eric Karros just went from being a mostly unknown 1st base mercenary to a full fledged Chicago hero.... in just 1 swing!

And speaking of Karros, where does Mark Grudzelanik and Eric Karros for Todd Hundley rank on the most lopsided trades of all-time list?

Kerry Woods and Mark Prior on the same team (our team)!

Yes ladies and gentleman, all is good in the baseball world.

Next up are the Orioles, they should be pushovers!

***Hey cool! This was my 1000th post. I am now a full fledged Super Schmoe!

horrorfreak13

06-09-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
Cubs surprise a lot of people (not me) by taking the series from those Damn Yankees. I keep saying it, Cubs are a force to be reckoned with this year, they definitely proved that this weekend against the Yanks.

Their pitching looks pretty good Wood and Prior last night and is keeping them in a lot of games. We will have to see how they do against a exposive Blue Jays offence.

Anyone see Escobar's complete game shutout over the Reds yesterday that saw a 9 day rain delay(or at least it felt like it) Pete Rose was at the game too and left after the third inning. He was at the 6th row behind the plate.

daddiefatsacks

06-09-2003, 02:06 PM

Kelvim Escobar has the stuff to become a star man...he is so borderline, it was like the first 4 innings in last start before the cincy game, he was untouchable vs St Louis, but once he gets rattled, hes done for the game...

if Esco can be consistant, then the Jays will have their best rotation in years...sure we've had Cy Young winners, Hentgen, Clemens...but they have had no supporters.

Halladay
Lidle
Escobar
Hendrickson

all can throw it down, and with the best offence in the majors, well things look great.

bring on the pirates and the cubs.

Haddonfield

06-09-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
I look for a rematch come this October, with the Cubs once again taking the SERIES. WORLD SERIES that is.

it will be Cubs/Red Sox!!!

one team will walk away as the ulimate suffering!:) and there fans will all be jumping off the bridge.

Zombie

06-09-2003, 10:51 PM

Cubsf/Red Sox?

Definetly not, however I can not predict two teams as it is too early in the season, the ASG hasn't even occured.

Question, does anyone know where I can find the MLB standings?

Thanks

Shakamaker

06-09-2003, 11:26 PM

Erm, try ESPN (http://espn.go.com/main.html).

I agree. Too early to predict. Wildcard in the AL should come from East or West is about as far out on a limb I'll go! :D

jackson13

06-10-2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Haddonfield
it will be Cubs/Red Sox!!!

one team will walk away as the ulimate suffering!:) and there fans will all be jumping off the bridge.

If that were to happen, I would be throwing Red Sox fans off of bridges in hopes to ensure a win. I dont know how it would work really, but it would be quite fun. :D

FeverDog420

06-10-2003, 06:10 PM

Yea!!! The Yankees released Juan Acevedo. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Juan Gone. I'm sure your $900,000 salary you're keeping will go a long way to buy your pitching arm back from Satan.

Eek!! The Yankees are in talks to obtain Ugueth Urbina from the Rangers. I hated his attitude when he was with the Red Sox; don't we have enough problems now with Ruben "All They Care About Is Winning" Sierra?

Jeez, maybe the Yanks really won't go all the way this year... :(

jackson13

06-10-2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
The Yankees released Juan Acevedo.

Yeah, like that will help. :D

Can't bash your boys too much though, they took care of those damn Astros tonight allowing my Cubbies to move back into first. Thanks Yanks!! (Hey, that rhymes).

Shakamaker

06-10-2003, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
If that were to happen, I would be throwing Red Sox fans off of bridges in hopes to ensure a win. I dont know how it would work really, but it would be quite fun. :D

Oi! :D

PapaJupe2k

06-11-2003, 02:44 AM

Is Gipson back at AAA yet?:D

horrorfreak13

06-11-2003, 12:49 PM

13-8 last night over the Pirates then again it's only the Pirates. Carlos Delgado has now 20 HRs and 70 RBIs and leads in 7 offensive categories. He is on pace for 178 RBIs and does he deserve to be starting at first base over Jason Giambi. I think so. Delgado currently leads by about 20,000 votes.

I'd wish they give Vernon Wells the same recognition he's behind Delgado in RBIs and is way down the list for starting centre fielders, but he'll be there.

We could see 5 Blue Jays at the all-star game Delgado, Wells, Halladay, Lidle, and Catalanatto he's doing real well too.

All this hitting power reminds me of the old 1993 team with Henderson, Carter, Molitor, Alomar, Fernandez.

Tonight Halladay goes for his 9th staight win.

horrorfreak13

06-11-2003, 12:57 PM

Just found this out right now on ESPN.com Sammy Sosa had his suspension reduced to 7 games which means he won't be playing in Toronto this weekend so much for the 30,000 people that already purchased their tickets

jackson13

06-11-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Just found this out right now on ESPN.com Sammy Sosa had his suspension reduced to 7 games which means he won't be playing in Toronto this weekend so much for the 30,000 people that already purchased their tickets

Just another way of Selig fucking over the fans. Of course, maybe now Cubs fans wont have to put up with dipshits like last nights game, i.e. fans holding up signs saying "cheater", people heckling him, assclowns jumping on the field and throwing cork at him.... With all the jackasses cramming in stadiums across the country and beating up coaches and umps, throwing cell phones, corks, and oranges on the field, and other what-nots, I'm beginning to think MLB has some of the worst fans of any sport.

7 games aint that bad though, besides he'll only be missing the rest of the Orioles series, the Toronto series and part of the Cinncinati series, so no big loss there. Not like those are hard teams. :D

FeverDog420

06-11-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
Just another way of Selig fucking over the fans.

How is Selig, by handing down a mandatory suspension, fucking over the fans? Sosa's the one who screwed those in Toronto who bought tickets to see him.

jackson13

06-11-2003, 03:52 PM

It's Seligs fault ok? Everything is Seligs fault! Sammy made a mistake and admitted to it, and after all the shit he's taking from the fans, I'd say thats punishment enough. Now all those poor people in Toronto who bought tickets hoping to see Sammy are gonna be bummed. Like I said though, 7 games aint that bad. I will miss him though. But yeah, every problem with baseball right now, and I mean every problem, is all Seligs fault.

Indiana Sev

06-11-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
But yeah, every problem with baseball right now, and I mean every problem, is all Seligs fault.

I just have to use this, it's sooooo appropriate now....

http://www.raceworx.com/funnypics/f-n-a.jpg

Selig is ruining baseball, Sammy should take his corked bats ;) and bash Bud with 'em!!!

Haddonfield

06-11-2003, 04:03 PM

Not every problem is his fault...but he certainly iasnt helping matters...but he is the first commish to get the PA to bend a tad...

But regardless...he will be gone soon enough.

daddiefatsacks

06-12-2003, 02:29 AM

AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
A Soriano 2B 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 .295
D Jeter SS 3 0 0 0 1 3 1 .261
Ja Giambi DH 3 0 0 0 0 2 1 .228
J Posada C 3 0 0 0 1 1 3 .263
R Ventura 3B 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 .273
a-B Trammell PH 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .213
H Matsui CF 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 .275
T Zeile 1B 2 0 0 0 1 2 1 .211
R Mondesi RF 3 0 0 0 0 2 1 .283
J Rivera LF 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 .197
Totals 29 0 0 0 3 13 9

i fuckin love it

PapaJupe2k

06-12-2003, 03:16 PM

Boy, when it rains it pours, eh FeverDog?;) Being no hit by no less than (6!) Astro pitchers! Will Joe Torre still have a job a month from now? George isn't exactly known for his patients with managers is he?

FeverDog420

06-12-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Boy, when it rains it pours, eh FeverDog?;) Being no hit by no less than (6!) Astro pitchers! Will Joe Torre still have a job a month from now? George isn't exactly known for his patients with managers is he?

I don't know what y'all are talking about. What is this "no hit" of which you speak? :rolleyes:

jackson13

06-12-2003, 05:19 PM

I picked up David Well's book today at the library. Havent started it yet but considering its Boomer, it should be a very interesting, humorous and entertaining read. I may despise the Yanks but Boomer is one of my personal favorites. How could you not like a guy that pitches a perfect game when he's half drunk and bribes girls in the stands to show their tits for an autographed baseball?

Zombie

06-13-2003, 10:28 PM

http://store.nypost.com/shp_images/merch_520.jpg

Congratulations, Rocket!

FeverDog420

06-14-2003, 08:52 PM

Wow, the Yankees have actually won three in a row!

Today's game vs. the Cardinals was ridiculous. Giambi went 3 for three, with two two-run homers and two walks. Guess his eye infection has cleared up. Still, none of my boys are back over .300, but give it another week.

It was nice, too, to see Tino Martinez Love Fest 2003 continue in the Bronx. He also had two two-run shots, scoring the only Card runs in the 15-4 blowout. Why the hell was Cards reliever Tomko left in so long?

And I bet you Cubs fans are liking the Bombers this weekend, eh?

Originally posted by jackson13
I picked up David Well's book today at the library. Havent started it yet but considering its Boomer, it should be a very interesting, humorous and entertaining read. I may despise the Yanks but Boomer is one of my personal favorites. How could you not like a guy that pitches a perfect game when he's half drunk and bribes girls in the stands to show their tits for an autographed baseball?

I've read Perfect I'm Not twice already. It's really a great read (despite the occasional typo). Look forward to the Toronto girl with the ugly, vein-populated tits getting ejected, jackson13. And Wells' account of the day and celebratory night of his perfect game. And his time playing in Venezuela. And his minor-league days in Alberta and North Carolina. And all about Attitude Annie, his Hells Angels father figures and the parties they threw when Boomer was just a wee lad. Good stuff, these anecdotes are.

FeverDog420

06-14-2003, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Zombie
Congratulations, Rocket!

A cool pic from MLB.com:

http://yankees.mlb.com/mlb/images/events/clemens300/head_left.jpg

Zombie

06-14-2003, 09:23 PM

That FeverDog420 is a very freaking cool pic.

daddiefatsacks

06-15-2003, 09:18 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/season_2003/0615/01.jpg

i miss shannon stewart...but Reed is sure making me not even care he's gone.

GO JAYS GO

Indiana Sev

06-16-2003, 02:45 AM

:(

Oakland swept Montreal, they've lost 4 straight now. We're not even first in the wild card standings anymore.

*sniff sniff*

Rated R

06-16-2003, 11:23 AM

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/images/2003/06/15/6LFJUOgn.jpg

This kid has a bunch of potential. The Jays are for real, let's hope they don't fall apart.

PS. FeverDog, that pic of Clemens rules, I was happy to see him win his 300th.

horrorfreak13

06-16-2003, 12:08 PM

Great series between the Blue Jays and Cubbies and they were not blow outs either which is a credit to the Cubs pitching staff especially their bullpin. At least they took 2 out of 3 from them.

Reed Johnson sure looks good he keeps playing well the Blue Jays won't have to resign Shannon Stewart, but they have a lot of depth look how Howie Clark is doing.

daddiefatsacks

06-16-2003, 03:55 PM

much credit to the cubs, they kept toronto's offense down...but since the jays took 2 of 3, much credit to the pitching staff of the jays, Lidle pitched a good game yesterday, he just made one mistake when he gave up the slam.

and the jays depth is just insane, when stewart and hinske come back from the DL, who do you send down, honestly?? Johnson is playing with all he's got...they could trade Stewart for some pitching, who knows.

horrorfreak13

06-17-2003, 12:35 PM

Roger Clemens has said if he is chosen to wear the Boston Red Sox cap in the Hall Of Fame he will boycott it. He said he wants to be remembered as a Yankee.

Should players be forced to wear a cap of a team they don't want to wear?

My thought is if your most productive career was with the team you were with the longest. In that case for players it would be games, hits, HRs, RBIs, and for pitchers it would be wins.

So if Clemens was more productive with the Red Sox he should wear a Red Sox cap. He played for the Red Sox for I think it was 11 seasons from 1986-1996. I know he has played there in 1986.

Tonight Halladay goes for consectutive win #10 over Baltimore.

horrorfreak13

06-17-2003, 02:31 PM

Just found this out Juan Acevado the guy that blew Roger Clemens 300th win in Chicago signed with the Blue Jays for the remainder of the season.

daddiefatsacks

06-17-2003, 04:11 PM

i don't know bout acevedo, i mean he has had some productive years, and he has had some shit years...but he does throw hard and definately will be more welcome in the pen more than shitty Sturtze

SykkBoy

06-17-2003, 07:30 PM

wow, finally read through the whole thread.....my first visit to this section of the site :)

Am I the only Braves fan here? should I duck? ;-))

Am I the only one finding it funny reagrding so many spors writers who were writing the Braves off early in the season now backpedalling and trying to act like they knew all along the Braves would be winning this point in the year? ;-))

but, I'm a realist enough to know we'll probably choke in October again ;-)))

Indiana Sev

06-18-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy
wow, finally read through the whole thread.....my first visit to this section of the site :)

Am I the only Braves fan here? should I duck? ;-))

Am I the only one finding it funny reagrding so many spors writers who were writing the Braves off early in the season now backpedalling and trying to act like they knew all along the Braves would be winning this point in the year? ;-))

but, I'm a realist enough to know we'll probably choke in October again ;-)))

I'm getting sick and tired of your Braves, the Expos are having their best season in years and The Braves can't lose!!!:mad:

I'm optimistic though, there is still half a season left and Vladimir will hopefully be back soon.

Anyway, welcome to the thread but I still want your Braves to go down haaaaaaaard!!!!:D :D

Our teams still have a series or two to play this year so that should make things interesting...

SykkBoy

06-18-2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
I'm getting sick and tired of your Braves, the Expos are having their best season in years and The Braves can't lose!!!:mad:

I'm optimistic though, there is still half a season left and Vladimir will hopefully be back soon.

Anyway, welcome to the thread but I still want your Braves to go down haaaaaaaard!!!!:D :D

Our teams still have a series or two to play this year so that should make things interesting...

hahaha, no worries
the Expos were my pick at the beginning of the season to take the division. See, I was a Braves fan through the dreadful 80's (I feel the pain of he Tigers of the 90's fans) and I still remember those blowups and games that just became painful to watch, so even with all of the winning (until the obligatory October choke) I'm just always nervous about a return to those days ;-))

I'm weary of th Braves pitching down the stretch....if the Expos don't get totally wore out by all of the travelling, they still have a good chance to make a run....I don't see the Phillies doing much this season..and the Marlins and Mets? ugh! ;)

Indiana Sev

06-18-2003, 09:47 PM

http://www.onlineathens.com/images/091302/expos_braves.jpg

Clarkey07

06-18-2003, 10:34 PM

Roy Halladay wins his 10 game in a row. :D

The Jays are actually playing great this year. :D

horrorfreak13

06-19-2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Clarkey07
Roy Halladay wins his 10 game in a row. :D

The Jays are actually playing great this year. :D

And that's considering he didn't get a win in his first 6 starts.

Anybody watch that 1-0 game between the Yankees and Devil Rays heard it was a great piching duel.

SykkBoy

06-19-2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Clarkey07
Roy Halladay wins his 10 game in a row. :D

The Jays are actually playing great this year. :D

I have him on my fantasy squad ;-)
too bad I also have Cory Lidle who goes froma great start to getting pummelled...never know which Lidle is going to show up.

I like the three team race and think it adds excitement to the same old Yankees-Sox battles

Indiana Sev

06-19-2003, 05:24 PM

The Expos have lost 6 straight. Are the wheels falling off?

Still in first in the wild card race, though. *phew*

Indiana Sev

06-19-2003, 07:33 PM

LOL

I just saw the Visa commercial on T.V. with Derek Jeter and Steinbrenner! It's pretty funny. I'm surprised George agreed to do it, shows he has a lighter side to him...

jackson13

06-19-2003, 10:17 PM

Well shit. Cubs lost, then my team gets our asses handed to us tonight 29-10. We were actually ahead 10-2. What a sad, sad night. I stood out in right field and watched ball after ball go through the infield or get dropped by someone or get overthrown. Good news is I was 3-3 tonight, with 2 Rbi's and a run myself. That puts me up to 6 for 7 so far this season, with 6 rbi's and 3 runs scored myself. I'd say thats pretty darn good.

SykkBoy

06-19-2003, 10:26 PM

Freaking Smoltz shows he's human....
Hampton carried that no-hitter into the 8th, then....Mr. Lights Out got hit hard.....but I now fear the next couple teams Smoltz has to face as he doesn't like losing much....

Hvae to hand it to the Phillies though, they have a damn solid team and a pitching staff to be envied by most any club.

FeverDog420

06-20-2003, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy
Have to hand it to the Phillies though, they have a damn solid team and a pitching staff to be envied by most any club.

Where oh where is the offense?!?

Poor Pat Burrell. In the dugout he looks so sullen and disappointed in himself. I just want to hug him or something...

jackson13

06-20-2003, 10:06 AM

How bout that fight between Kyle Farnsworth and Paul Wilson? I'll just put it mildly and say Wilson got his ass beat. That was an awesome tackle put on by Farnsworth. I just gotta ask, what's the Red's problem? 2 brawls in 1 week. I mean, come on! I like what Dusty Baker said: "All I know is we're not the club to have bad blood with because we've got some guys that can hurt you with that ball. So I dont suggest too many people get into some knockdown war with us." Loosely translated: "Dont fuck with the Cubs, because you wont win." Even thought the Cubs ended up losing, I'd say they got the best of the Reds yesterday. Today starts the heated Northside/Southside rivalry. I think it's safe to say the Cubs are the much better team, so the Sox are definitely in for it this year.

MarkItZero

06-20-2003, 10:16 AM

Watching Farnsworth kick Wilson's ass was great! The only bad thing is that he will probably be suspended for it.

I dont know what the Cubs were thinking trading Bellhorn for Jose Hernandez. They get virtually the same player only he is ten years older. Plus they lose a minor league pitcher. I just doesnt make sense to me, can somebody explain. I understand Jose was an allStar, but he sucks this year, just like Bellhorn.

Too bad there arent any White Sox fans to laugh at on this board, this weekends series will be a blast. And Ill be a sundays game to watch the Cubbies complete the sweep.

Sweeet!!!

daddiefatsacks

06-20-2003, 03:42 PM

Mark Bellhorn is the biggest fluke ever in baseball, right up there with Brady Anderson and his 50 homer year.

daddiefatsacks

06-20-2003, 03:43 PM

p.s. can anyone honestly stop my jays, these guys are raping everyone now that the pitching is on, bring on LES EXPOS...we'll take on anyone

*knock on wood*

FeverDog420

06-20-2003, 04:07 PM

Daddie's hometeam pride overshadows the fact that the Jays are in third place both in their division and the wild card...

daddiefatsacks

06-20-2003, 04:41 PM

oh yeh...only 1.5 out of first place in the east, so far away man!!

its just good to see a winning team in toronto, not only are they winning, but they are exciting to watch, and we dont even have Shannon Stewart or Eric Hinske in there, once they get back who knows whats gonna happen, all I know is the AL east is not a 2 team race now, its a 3 team race.

GO JAYS GO
BASEBALL NORTH

FeverDog420

06-20-2003, 04:56 PM

Maybe I've just got some residual bitterness left over from '93... :rolleyes:

Go Phillies!

Indiana Sev

06-20-2003, 10:43 PM

Well, the Expos lose the first game of the All-Canadian series versus the Jays.

I see them taking the rest of the series. Why? Because that useless pitcher Vazquez won't be pitching in the series anymore!!!!!!:mad:

http://tsn.ca/images/stories/20030616/pearson_57858.jpg

FeverDog420

06-20-2003, 10:44 PM

Ah, crosstown rivalries. Andy Pettitte was cock fuckin' diesel, as the Yankees shut out the lowly Mets 5-0. (Objective analysis makes me give props to Shinjo, who took a homer from Soriano and threw out Ventura trying to tag up to third.)

And, last update I heard, the White Sox were leading the Cubs. Whodathunk? The Jays were leading the 'Spos, though. Oh well, can't have it all.

jackson13

06-21-2003, 12:10 AM

Jesus Christ that was embarrassing today. I gotta admit, I love all the Cubbies, yet I never really liked Estes. Now I dislike him even more. 6 runs on 2 hits in one inning?!?! Are you fucking kidding me?! And to think they traded Bellhorn. Hmmm, I hope whoever made that decision is kicking themselves royally right now. Estes has a terrible record, cant throw shit, and just plain sucks. Yet somehow he gets to stay with the team while a great guy, like Bellhorn, who is an amazing switch-hitter, gets traded. Something stinks in Wrigleyville. Oh yeah, its Shawn Estes.

daddiefatsacks

06-21-2003, 06:42 PM

the only game i see Montreal winning will be tonite when our shite lefty HENDRICKSON takes the mound, as long as we score 7 runs then we have a chance haha.

Tomorrow tho, the DOC is on the hill and he's goin for his 11th straight win, good luck Les Expos.

SykkBoy

06-21-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Where oh where is the offense?!?

Poor Pat Burrell. In the dugout he looks so sullen and disappointed in himself. I just want to hug him or something...

well, Burell, SHOULDN'T be this terrible after the all-star break, but you never know. Their pitching should be able to keep them in the thick of it if they cn find a way to light a fire under Burrell's. Thome is usually a monster after the all-star break too. Bell was a fluke and really wasn't that good to begin with.

Haddonfield

06-22-2003, 02:16 PM

That was a sick Red Sox/Phils game yesterday. I thought the sox had it, THREE TIMES! but esp after getting the two run lead. crazy crazy game. Nomar with 6 hits and a walk...thats some good fantasy numbers right there.

MarkItZero

06-23-2003, 09:23 AM

I went to the Cubs game yesterday and got to watch the Cubs finally take one from the Sox.

I cant believe they got beat up by the lowly Sox in the first two games of the series.

It sucks cuz now I have to buy lunch for the entire office as part of a bet.

Oh well, at least we will sweep them next weekend and I will get some free lunch in return.

jackson13

06-24-2003, 10:08 PM

My lord, it sure is good to see Slammin Sammy back in form. 2 homers so far tonight, one that is the longest goddamn home run I think I have ever seen. They still dont know how far it went, but they are guestimating 520 some feet right now. Cubs are in tip-top shape tonight, and with the all-star break rapidly coming upon us, I look to see them kick it up even more. And how about Corey Patterson being considered for an NL All Star? I think he definitely deserves it. He's easily one of the best hitters on the team, and an awesome center fielder. I think its a crime if he doesnt make the team. Also, with Dusty managing the NL team, I think it's safe to say the AL is going down this year. None of this "tie game" bullshit.

Seen a shirt tonight: "In Dusty we Trusty"!!!

daddiefatsacks

06-24-2003, 11:45 PM

That homerun Sosa hit was a monsters, it like probly landed in someones bbq dinner man, WOW that was a blast.

And as for Patterson, i really hope he does make it as an all-star, especially over DUNN who just hits homers and doesnt hit for average.

SykkBoy

06-25-2003, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
That homerun Sosa hit was a monsters, it like probly landed in someones bbq dinner man, WOW that was a blast.

And as for Patterson, i really hope he does make it as an all-star, especially over DUNN who just hits homers and doesnt hit for average.

I totally agree. Patterson has really stepped his game up

Dunn = Dave Kingman for 2003

MarkItZero

06-25-2003, 09:49 AM

In Dusty we Trusty...

My new slogan.

That was a huge blast last night from Sammy. One of 5 homers last night by the Cubs (at least, there might be more I missed) including one from pitcher Kerry Wood.

I also (obviously) hope that Patterson makes the allstar team. Before this year I was begining to worry that he would never live up to all the expectations they had for him. He was bouncing between the majors and AAA for about 3 seasons before he was finally able to stick last year, and now this year he has really broken out.

MarkItZero

06-25-2003, 09:51 AM

ps

Did anyone watch the game last night (Cubs, I mean) during the power outage delay?

I love the way the cameramen seek out all the hot girls to show off while they pan the crowd. That 15 minute power outagge was one long series of cleavage shots.

Cubs cameramen rule!

jackson13

06-25-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by MarkItZero
ps

Did anyone watch the game last night (Cubs, I mean) during the power outage delay?

I love the way the cameramen seek out all the hot girls to show off while they pan the crowd. That 15 minute power outagge was one long series of cleavage shots.

Cubs cameramen rule!

YES!

I love it when they pan the crowd, because I know I'll always see some hottie with her jugs on display. I had no idea there were that many gorgeous women in Chicago. My parents are always giving me crap about going out and meeting girls and last night during the power delay I was standing in the kitchen watching the delay and gawking at the girls and my mom mentioned it to me again and I came back with "Get me Cubs tickets then, looks at all those beauties!". Cubs cameramen do rule!

PapaJupe2k

06-25-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy
Dunn = Dave Kingman for 2003 That's a pretty big call. If Dunn sticks around 20 years and hits 440 some home runs, than you can compare him to Kingman. Kingman should be a hall of famer in my book.

Dunn = Rob Deer is maybe a better comparison right now.:)

Too bad I missed that extended crowd shot at Wrigley. They are always famous for shooting the babes. That reminds me of the famous Harry quote, (they show a good lookin' babe) "Mrs. Illinois is at the ballpark today.":D

horrorfreak13

06-25-2003, 01:06 PM

There was a trade for Juan Gonzalez to go to Montreal but Juan Gonzalez used his no-trade clause to block it. If anybosy is wondering why he's got a family in Texas and doesn't want to move plus he doesn't want to play in the National League, also he makes 12 million and he would have had to restructure his contract.

I've heard a lot of bad rumors of the Yankees lately and it's rumored that Steinbrenner would fire or release Joe Torre by the all-star break therefore getting rid of his salary(I heard 10 million this year and next year) and if Torre quits Steinbrenner is off the hook for it doesn't work he would fire Torre's right hand man Don Zimmer. The thinking is if Zimmer is gone Torre will ask for a buyout and look for Bobby Valentine the former Mets manager to come in to the Yankees dugout who is currently working for ESPN.

I got this from a T.V station in Canada sportsnet so we will see where this goes.

Delgado had another homer 23 now for delgado and 81RBIs a new club record and he has 18 games left.

PapaJupe2k

06-25-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I've heard a lot of bad rumors of the Yankees lately and it's rumored that Steinbrenner would fire or release Joe Torre by the all-star break therefore getting rid of his salary(I heard 10 million this year and next year) and if Torre quits Steinbrenner is off the hook for it doesn't work he would fire Torre's right hand man Don Zimmer. The thinking is if Zimmer is gone Torre will ask for a buyout and look for Bobby Valentine the former Mets manager to come in to the Yankees dugout who is currently working for ESPN. Interesting rumor! I made an off hand comment earlier this month about Torre still having a job by the all-star break. It wouldn't surprise me. I'd hate to see Zimmer get fucked over, he's been a favorite of mine ever since he was third base coach for the Cubs back in the mid '80s.

MarkItZero

06-25-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
I'd hate to see Zimmer get fucked over, he's been a favorite of mine ever since he was third base coach for the Cubs back in the mid '80s.

He was the Manager for a few years as well.

And back on the topic of babes at Wrigley, here is a funny picture I got in an email forward.

(note to moderator: I know there are "porn" rules on this site, but this seems to me more like a joke. However if you deem this to be innapropriate, please take it off, as I do not wish to offend anyone)

jackson13

06-25-2003, 03:57 PM

Zero, I love that pic. First off, nice set of hooters of course, but for the main reason: It just proves, in yet another way, that the Cubs and Wrigley Field are much better. Cant stop staring......starting to drool.........:D

Indiana Sev

06-25-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
There was a trade for Juan Gonzalez to go to Montreal but Juan Gonzalez used his no-trade clause to block it. If anybosy is wondering why he's got a family in Texas and doesn't want to move plus he doesn't want to play in the National League, also he makes 12 million and he would have had to restructure his contract.

If this trade doesn't go through (and with Vladimir still out), the Expos chances of making the post-season are slim...

:(

Haddonfield

06-25-2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Kingman should be a hall of famer in my book.

I hear ya...and same goes for Bert Byleven and Jim Rice...what are these people thinking?

SykkBoy

06-26-2003, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
That's a pretty big call. If Dunn sticks around 20 years and hits 440 some home runs, than you can compare him to Kingman. Kingman should be a hall of famer in my book.

Dunn = Rob Deer is maybe a better comparison right now.:)

Too bad I missed that extended crowd shot at Wrigley. They are always famous for shooting the babes. That reminds me of the famous Harry quote, (they show a good lookin' babe) "Mrs. Illinois is at the ballpark today.":D

heheh, I thought about Rob Deer after posting that :)

I like Dave Kingman too...whe I played little league I borrowed his mantra: "Swing hard and hope you hit it" :)

I think he should be in the Hall too...

FeverDog420

06-26-2003, 06:00 PM

I fuckin' hate the fuckin' Devil Rays right now. Every time a Yankee went deep this series, a D'Ray pitcher would plunk a batter. These assholes hit, what, four of my boys? That's not even counting the infant who threw at Soriano's head in Game 1. They even went after Enrique Wilson today, for god's sake. But if Sweet Lou doesn't go medieval on them, they think they did the right thing. If a real team behaved this way, you know the umps would do some ejecting.

I'm glad the Yankees took "only" 3 of 4 this series. Loser bush-league punks need to learn what "class" and "professionalism" are.

PapaJupe2k

06-27-2003, 02:43 AM

I'm at a loss for words right now.:confused: I was watching Prior pitch a gem today but had to leave in the bottom of the 8th. 16 strikeouts and for what? To see the bullpen blow it for the second day in a row!:mad: The god damn Brewers are just too much for this vaunted Cub bullpen I guess.:rolleyes:

jackson13

06-27-2003, 03:24 PM

Its that damn Ben Sheets. His curse upon the Cubs just carried over to yesterday. How often has Borowski done that this year? None that I can remember. It was just a fluke, everythings gonna be ok.

jackson13

06-27-2003, 05:07 PM

Goddamn motherfucking White Sox, I fucking hate them with a fucking passion that burns like white-hot fire. Fuck Carlos Lee, fuck him up his fucking ass. And while im at it, fuck the White Sox announcers. Have some fucking respect and courtesy you shitheaded sonsabitches. Every goddamn time Sosa got up, and struck out, they would rub it in his face with a "HES' GONE!". Then, the highlights of the game, of course, were all fucking pussy White Sox shit. They documented every at bat Sosa had, pitch by pitch, just to rub it in his face. You know, when the Cubs do a postgame show, Chip and Steve show respect to the other team and give credit to their players and the plays and hits they made. The fucking White Sox announcers just totally disrespect the opposing teams, they basically laugh in their faces with a "haha our team won, neener neener neener" and I fucking hate them for it. News flash South Siders: Your team sucks fucking ass, and if the Cubs weren't in a little funk right now coming out of that goddamn Brewers series we woulda wiped the Kennedy Expressway with your pathetic asses. White Sox can suck my left nut. I wish for every single player on that fucking team to get injured indefintely. Your fucking loser riddled team doesnt deserve to have the likes of the All-Star game in your shitty little stadium. Your team sucks and like I said you didn't even earn the win today, Cubs are in a funk and you lucked out. Simple as that. I hope you fucking choke the rest of the season you motherfucking losers!!!!!!

Nothing like a good profanity laced rant to let out some emotion. I feel somewhat better, but GODDAMN do I ever hate the White Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I fixed the Delgado/Lee thing. I gets me Carlos's confused.)

Grebdron

06-27-2003, 05:15 PM

Sorry, Jackson. Sosa brought all this shit on himself. He's permanently stained what would have been a great career.

Rated R

06-27-2003, 05:45 PM

Jackson...what the hell are you slagging Delgado for? He has nothing to do with the white Sox...I don't know but I think someone is jealous that his favourite slugger needed cork and steroids to hit monster bombs unlike Mr. Delgado...shame on you :D

*Note: Cubs fan number 1 jackson initially had Delgado in place of Lee...hence my post. However I choose to leave my post up, because I like to promote Delgado's natural skills any chance I get...also I got to burn Sosa...hooray!

jackson13

06-27-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Rated R
Jackson...what the hell are you slagging Delgado for? He has nothing to do with the white Sox...I don't know but I think someone is jealous that his favourite slugger needed cork and steroids to hit monster bombs unlike Mr. Delgado...shame on you :D

Hey, tuesday night, no cork, 538 measured feet!!! Choke on that BABY!! (<---Shooter McGavin impression) :D

FeverDog420

06-27-2003, 06:14 PM

Sigh. Another Subway Series? Why are the Yanks playing the Mets again when they still haven't seen the Orioles, Indians, White Sox or Royals??

MarkItZero

06-27-2003, 07:03 PM

I know its a little late, but I want to bitch about Thrusday's game (I am still not ready to discuss toda's tragedy).

Sometime around 5pm Central time on thrusday I attempted to log on to FireDustyBaker.com. Unfortunately though the site has been registered, there is nothing there yet.

Is it too early to jump off of the Dusty bandwagon? I'm not so sure it isnt.

Taking Prior out on Thursday was a stupid stupid fucking move. I am so sick of these fucking pitch counts that coaches put so much stake into. Mark Prior was on fire. He was mowing the Brewers down and he only got stronger as the game progressed.

Normally a pitcher is taken out after he gives up a couple of walks, or a big hit. How many times have you seen a manager yank a pitcher who has just struck out the last 6 batters he faced!!. Nobody was coming even close to hitting him.

Fuck you Dusty, that was stupid.

daddiefatsacks

06-28-2003, 02:36 AM

i agree completely, Prior was insane on thursday - 16 k's in 8 innings...he could have gone on for the 9th for sure, but Borowski has bin lights out all season, and in the long run your team is looking for the win, and also looking out for young priors arm (i can remember another cubs pitcher who was young and fucked up there arm...Wood).

and fuck man, how bout those jays, they know how to bounce back after 2 horrid games in toronto, they smoked the o's and comeback and beat the Expos, i am in love with this team and they got to do something to keep Reed Johnson in the line up.

As for the big rant about the white sox, just sounds like the ultimate 'sore loser' rant. Its just a loss man, take it.

FeverDog420

06-28-2003, 05:59 AM

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/images/2003/06/28/wQnthJfm.jpg

No comments on what went down in Fenway last night? More drama than a Lord of the Rings box set, enough farce to rival a Three's Company marathon...until it was shot down by an ugly accident and subsequent childish retaliations, like Freddy Got Fingered on two acres of immaculate Boston grass and dirt. Not a game that'll show up on ESPNClassic, but one that will be remembered for some time.

PapaJupe2k

06-28-2003, 11:18 AM

As for Jackson's rant about the White Sox announcers, they are terrible, agreed. No one beats Steve and Chip, but these guys are pathetic. When Sammy hits one out I want to hear Harrelson say "PUT IT ON THE BOARD, YESSSSS!" Hehehe, The Cubbies will take the next two.

Indiana Sev

06-28-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/images/2003/06/28/wQnthJfm.jpg

No comments on what went down in Fenway last night? More drama than a Lord of the Rings box set, enough farce to rival a Three's Company marathon...until it was shot down by an ugly accident and subsequent childish retaliations, like Freddy Got Fingered on two acres of immaculate Boston grass and dirt. Not a game that'll show up on ESPNClassic, but one that will be remembered for some time.

LOL :D :D

It was pretty wild, Boston's Johhny Damon almost hit for the cylce in the 1st inning!!!!!!. Then Florida started beaning the batters with their pitches, bunch of babies...

jackson13

06-29-2003, 01:55 AM

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN WRIGLEYVILLE?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

4 GODDAMN GAMES IN A ROW, BLOWN IN THE 9TH INNING!!! Sorry for the CAPS but I.......am.........pissed. This is ridiculous, they've gone from looking like an awesome team to looking like the Cubs of old, all in a matter of 4 games. Cubs better get their shit together real quick, because they got some hard teams coming up: St Louis, Houston, Philly and Atlanta. If they wanna stay in first, or anywhere near first, they need to knock off this "blow it at the end" shit.

FeverDog420

06-30-2003, 11:52 PM

And the Phillies win another one! I'd apologize to you Cub fans, but I'm not sorry. The Phills need every win they can get to close the gap with the Braves.

Oh, and the Yankees AND Mets won. A good day all around for my East coast faves. (Not that I really like the Mets, but they are my other hometown team, and their win over the 'Spos knocks Montreal down another game out of second place.)

RicochetShaw

07-01-2003, 03:48 AM

Well, at least Shawn Estes hit a homer. It's always amusing for me to see when a pitcher hits a home run.

MarkItZero

07-01-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Well, at least Shawn Estes hit a homer. It's always amusing for me to see when a pitcher hits a home run.

And of course the announcer is contractually obligated to say "Shawn Estes helps his cause"

FeverDog420

07-02-2003, 03:36 AM

And the Phillies move within 5 games of first place! Woo-hoo!!! (And they're leading the Wild Card!) :D

In other news, the Cubs drop to third. D'oh! :rolleyes:

MarkItZero

07-02-2003, 09:52 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that Dusty Baker should never, ever again let Antonio Alfonseca get within a mile of the mound.

It appears that the "other" Chicago baseball team seems to think that they can contend for the playoffs. Acquiring Alomar and Everett on the same day. Best of luck to them. (see, I dont hate the Sox. Sox fans hate the Cubs (some sort of an inferiority complex), Cubs fans just dont care about the Sox).

jackson13

07-02-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
In other news, the Cubs drop to third. D'oh! :rolleyes:

QUIET YOU!

We're only one game back! Even after blowing 5 of 6 games in the 9th inning, we're still contenders. Just need to get our act together and lose a certain closer (Alfonseca). I always liked Antonio, but now I realize he's killing our team. I turned on the game last night in the last inning, game was tied, no men on, 1 out. Change it back later, bases loaded, 2 outs, base hit Phillies win. WTF? Its gotta stop.

And another thing, DUSTY WOULD YOU PLEASE LET A PITCHER FINISH THE GAME IF HE IS DOING GOOD?! Once again he takes Prior out while he's pitching a gem, afraid to let him finish a game, and sure enough the closer blows the win in the 9th. It's all gotta stop. Time to start winning and re-claim first.

MarkItZero

07-02-2003, 01:38 PM

One thing that I dont think big league managers fully grasp is how delicate a closer is.

With very few exceptions (Dennis Eckersly, Trevor Hoffman..) closers have a shelf life of 2-3 years tops.

Alfonsucka had a good run as a closer, but he has lost that edge. And he may never get it back.

ps
I just got a reply email from a friend responding to me bitching about Alfonsucka. My friend wrote: "You poor thing, you still believe dont you?"

Maybe he is right, maybe I should stop toturing myself watching these Cubs games. Maybe I should become a Sox fan......

Nah, the Sox still suck.

jackson13

07-02-2003, 01:48 PM

Zero you cant turn traitor and bail on us. Cubs fans never say die!! (Maybe its Goonies, but whatever)

The years only half-over, we're still very much in it. Just goin through a hard time right now. Team needs to get their act together and everything will be fine.

PapaJupe2k

07-02-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Am I the only one who thinks that Dusty Baker should never, ever again let Antonio Alfonseca get within a mile of the mound. Agreed! I've thought that for quite some time myself. Hell they could have re-signed Rod Beck, he was living in a trailer outside of Sec Taylor Stadium in Des Moines, pitching for the I-Cubs. He's racked up a few saves for San Diego, he HAS to be better than Alfonseca.

SykkBoy

07-02-2003, 04:49 PM

Oh man, what a royal ass whooping the Braves got....I felt sick to my stomach.....

Why oh why couldn't we have kept Millwood and traded Maddux?

Oh well, at least we'll have a couple boys on the starting squad of the NL All Star team

Haddonfield

07-02-2003, 05:17 PM

I found something intersting...

After the marlins won last night 20-1 Jack "im an Ass"McKeon said thay thay have to try and score as many runs as they can....

Well...if thats the case why did he blow his top when the Red Sox beat his ass 25-8?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!????????

Sox beat them by 17 runs and he calls the sox a bunch of assholes...

The Marlins win by 19 and its OK, because "you try and score as much as you can"

ggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I want to slap that moron!:mad: :mad: :mad:

SykkBoy

07-02-2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Haddonfield
I found something intersting...

After the marlins won last night 20-1 Jack "im an Ass"McKeon said thay thay have to try and score as many runs as they can....

Well...if thats the case why did he blow his top when the Red Sox beat his ass 25-8?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!????????

Sox beat them by 17 runs and he calls the sox a bunch of assholes...

The Marlins win by 19 and its OK, because "you try and score as much as you can"

ggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I want to slap that moron!:mad: :mad: :mad:

I totally agree......
he needs a good slap upside his head....

Rated R

07-03-2003, 02:51 PM

I had no fuckin idea until this morning that Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett got traded to the White Sox...I don't know about you guys, but I think this is going to get them nowhere. Alomar has been garbage in New York, and Everett...well he's Carl Everett! They'll miss the playoffs, if anything they'll start doing worse.

In other news, Carlos Delgado hit his 27th and 28th home run of the season against the Tigers last night raising his RBI total to 91! WOW! He needs 12 more in the next 10 games to tie the major league record before the all star break...can he do it folks?

http://www.baseball.ca/MLBForKidsImages/canfindelgado.jpg

PapaJupe2k

07-05-2003, 01:37 PM

Quick question. Why am I watching the Yanks/Red Sox on FOX right now? I live in the midwest, this isn't exactly REGIONAL coverage. There's no interest in the Cubs game in this part of the country, no sir.:rolleyes:

RicochetShaw

07-05-2003, 02:59 PM

Red Sox beat the Yankees last night, wooohooo!!!!!

:D :D :D :D

RicochetShaw

07-05-2003, 04:37 PM

Anybody else watching the Yankees/Red Sox game right now on FOX? Boston is lighting it up! Aw, poor New York...(not)

P.S. - Roger Clemens sucks

FeverDog420

07-05-2003, 09:45 PM

I don't know what y'alls are talking about. The Yankees are on vacation this holiday weekend. These games you speak of do not exist, as far as I know.

:rolleyes:

PapaJupe2k

07-06-2003, 04:57 PM

Oh shit:mad: , Corey Patterson's down with a knee injury. Let's hope it's not serious, he's been the most consistant hitter and only base stealing threat. Please start scoring some runs, this is just getting downright difficult to take.

jackson13

07-06-2003, 08:51 PM

Well, Sammy didnt make the All-Star team but Kerry Wood and Mark Prior did. Dustys the NL manager, and Corey Patterson is in the running for the final vote. NL All Star team has a few Cubbies on it, great to see. Cubs fans, July 9th, vote vote vote vote vote for Patterson. If any of the Cubbies deserve it its Corey. Best hitter on the team if you ask me. I'll be voting for him, obviously.

MarkItZero

07-07-2003, 09:44 AM

Damn I hate when the Cubs lose.

On the subject of Cubs allstars, I was listening the other day to sports radio and the announcer was ranking the Cubs players on who he thought was most important to the team (or in other words, if you had to start the team over, and you could only keep one player, who would it be?). And I was very surprised to hear him pick Sammy and the team's #1 player.

The way I see it, Sammy is only the team's #4 most important player.

#1 Mark Prior
#2 Kerry Wood
#3 Corey Patterson
#4 Sammy Sosa
(It gets tougher now)
#5 Carlos Zambrano
#6 Hee Sop Choi
#7 Kyle Farnsworth.....

What do you think?

MarkItZero

07-07-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by jackson13
Cubs fans, July 9th, vote vote vote vote vote for Patterson. If any of the Cubbies deserve it its Corey. Best hitter on the team if you ask me. I'll be voting for him, obviously.

I already voted several times this morning.

PapaJupe2k

07-07-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by MarkItZero
#1 Mark Prior
#2 Kerry Wood
#3 Corey Patterson
#4 Sammy Sosa
(It gets tougher now)
#5 Carlos Zambrano I would agree with these top 5, it's a crap shoot after that.

I hope the Cubs aren't seriously entertaining the idea of dealing for Ugueth Urbina. :rolleyes: This would be an unnecessary move. Borowski has been doing fine, if he started to struggle they could move Farnsworth to closer as he's been pitching great all year. They need some bats however very badly.

As far as the all star game goes, for all those bitching about either manager taking players that they manage or have previously managed, tough shit!;) It's just human nature to take guys that you see every day, or guys that you have seen alot in the past. Some teams haven't even played each other one time yet!

SykkBoy

07-07-2003, 02:46 PM

I always thought the All Star Game was the "fan's game", so it bugs me when I see ESPN.com analysts calling fan picks "wrong". Is it really about the best players playing or is it our FAVORITE players playing?

I like the way the fans have become more involved in the selection process and I even like the fact the players get to vote as well. The All Star game is really just a fun game for the fans...or so I was lead to believe ;-) Although Pujols, rallied at the end to earn a well deserved spot on the roster, I still love to watch Sammy Sosa play.

I think that is also why Sammy Sosa was named #1 of the top 5 Cubs, he puts butts in seats....that can be almost as important as driving in the key run or hitting a long majestic homer. Long, majestic homers don't have the same appeal when the stadiums is only half full (or less).

Haddonfield

07-07-2003, 04:10 PM

ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

ground ball right to Walker...game over....Yanks win...

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!

well least we split rather than be 5 or 6 games out.

Next is Toronto...hopefully we can bury them.

Sometimes I wonder why I even watch these games!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!:)

daddiefatsacks

07-07-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Haddonfield

Next is Toronto...hopefully we can bury them.

not likely

Haddonfield

07-07-2003, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
not likely

Yeah I know...Im a Red Sox fan...I live in Dream World 24/7.:cool:

MarkItZero

07-08-2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy
I think that is also why Sammy Sosa was named #1 of the top 5 Cubs, he puts butts in seats....that can be almost as important as driving in the key run or hitting a long majestic homer. Long, majestic homers don't have the same appeal when the stadiums is only half full (or less).

You would be right if you were talking about almost any other city besides Chicago. In Chicago, Wrigley Field is its own draw. It doesnt matter how bad the Cubs are (and they are usually pretty bad) the games still sell out. So, on a team like the Cubs, you dont have to worry about getting people to show up.

MarkItZero

07-08-2003, 10:17 AM

RIP Corey Patterson
RIP Cubs Chance of Making The Playoffs

Oh well, only 83 Days 10 Hours and 41 Minutes until the new Soldier Field opens up. Go Bears!

horrorfreak13

07-08-2003, 12:32 PM

Now the Blue Jays better get their act in gear playing the Red Sox and Yankees this week and with Halladay pitching they can't lose unless their god damm bullpin screws it.

I don't know if Pedro meant to hit Soriano and Jeter yesterday but those pitches were really inside.

PapaJupe2k

07-08-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by MarkItZero
RIP Corey Patterson
RIP Cubs Chance of Making The Playoffs

Oh well, only 83 Days 10 Hours and 41 Minutes until the new Soldier Field opens up. Go Bears! Try booze, it seems to ease the pain somewhat. Anybody and I mean anybody but Corey Patterson, I'm at a loss for words.

SykkBoy

07-08-2003, 02:51 PM

Look out NL East!

Chipper Jones in on fire! 4 homers in 2 days. with everyone else waning a bit, nice to see Chipper heating up (the most dangerous man on the planet in September) and what a surprise: Robert Fick is really taking his game to that next level.

...but of course, come October......... :(

Haddonfield

07-09-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by horrorfreak13

I don't know if Pedro meant to hit Soriano and Jeter yesterday but those pitches were really inside.

Soriano SWUNG and it hit him.

Jeter had 2 STRIKES on him and it was a sinker ball.

If you cant pitch inside you are better off just taking your glove and going home.

Plus Soriano sits so far over the plate its a wonder he doesnt get hit more.

horrorfreak13

07-09-2003, 12:39 PM

More proof that there are still some idiots who do stupid things at baseball games a fan threw a cherry bomb at last night's Oakland Tampa Bay game injuring a 8 year old kid.

What's wrong with some of these people who go to baseball game or are they already drunk by the 7th or 8th inning.

jackson13

07-09-2003, 05:52 PM

I just wanna take this time to get a little something off my chest. I've heard a lot of people (friends, family, local sportscasters) say that Kerry Wood isnt good enough to be on the All-Star team. Why the hell not? He may have an 8-6 (9-6 after today) record, but his record doesnt do just as to how great he is. I can only think of 1 loss that was his fault this year, and that was the St. Louis game the other day where he gave up back to back homers in the 1st inning. The rest of those losses came from the Cubs bullpen, not on Kerry's part. He got the 1998 NL Rookie of the year, and after having, I beleive it was 2, 20 plus strike out games that season, I dont know who could've deserved it more. He's outpitched "The Rocket" this season, and is now (as of the time of me typing this) 46 strike-outs away from 1,000 in his career. Thats all in 4 seasons. He's been in the ML for 5, but one season he was out with a surgery. He is, imo, the best pitcher in the NL, except for Mark Prior, who, thankfully, is also a Cubbie.

Everyone points out pitching as the Cubs problem. Which is in a way true, it is the picthings fault that have caused so many losses lately. But, its only certain pitchers. The 'savers', as you will. Remlinger and Alfonseca have blown game after game lately, when they are supposed to be getting the save. I often wonder which team they are trying to save the game for, the opponents or their own? Cubs problem is, they keep going to them time and again, when they have plenty of other pitchers to use, #1 being Kyle Farnsworth. Their closer is set: Joe Borowski. If I ran the team, I'd use him in every game. He's only blown it once this season. He's solid, and is what the team needs more of.

Another thing is this: today the Cubs have played their 90th game of the season. With a win today, I beleive they will be tied for first. If not then they will be 1 game back still. I heard Pat and Ron on WGN720 say that if the Cubs we're out west, with thier record, they'd be 10 games outta first, and if they were in the east, they'd be 12 games outta first. Well guess what, they are in the NL Central, the best division to be in baseball. There are 4 teams right now that are in the running for first place. That means that each team wants it bad, they are fighting to stay up. Especially the Cubs. This is there best year in recent memory, and they arent about to give up. How many people can say that about the other divisions in baseball? The ones where one team always dominates the others? You cant. You cannot deny the NL Central of being the best division in all of baseball. The fact that the Cubs are doing so well in the toughest and 'fightinest' division in baseball, is a true testament of how good of a team they are and how determined they are to win it this year.

Go Cubs!

Haddonfield

07-10-2003, 09:00 AM

Hey Jays fans...

You are closer to Baltimore (6 games) than first place (8 games)

:D :D :D

Just a little trash talk...no hard feelings...:D

FeverDog420

07-10-2003, 09:30 AM

Yeah, and I was actually rooting for Toronto last night. Why the fuck did they pick up Tanyon Sturtze?

Speaking of Sturtzie, I'm reminded of the Sports Guy's column from last year about the boredom of a Red Sox/Devil Rays game. Classic stuff:

My dance with the Devil (Rays) (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/020507.html)

FeverDog420

07-10-2003, 09:33 AM

What happened at the Pirates/Brewers game last night? Something about a Buc hitting an Italian sausage mascot with a bat. Caught only a glimpse of it on the news, and couldn't find anything about it on MLB.com...

MarkItZero

07-10-2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by jackson13
Go Cubs!

Thats right.

Speaking of Sturtzie, I'm reminded of the Sports Guy's column from last year about the boredom of a Red Sox/Devil Rays game. Classic stuff:

Great column.

Indiana Sev

07-10-2003, 11:36 AM

With the All-Star game coming up, I thought this quote from one of the best movies of all-time :) might be appropriate. In case, some players, forgot or forget why they're playing this game...for the fans. In case they've forgotten the history of the game, forgotten why they started playing it in the first place...for the love of it.

Here's hoping Cal Ripken Jr. wasn't the last of the classy old-school ball players...

Terence Mann: Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it's money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered they're heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. And the memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh,.. people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.

~ Field Of Dreams

http://goldenscore.free.fr/images/field.jpg

horrorfreak13

07-10-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
I just wanna take this time to get a little something off my chest. I've heard a lot of people (friends, family, local sportscasters) say that Kerry Wood isnt good enough to be on the All-Star team. Why the hell not? He may have an 8-6 (9-6 after today) record, but his record doesnt do just as to how great he is. I can only think of 1 loss that was his fault this year, and that was the St. Louis game the other day where he gave up back to back homers in the 1st inning. The rest of those losses came from the Cubs bullpen, not on Kerry's part. He got the 1998 NL Rookie of the year, and after having, I beleive it was 2, 20 plus strike out games that season, I dont know who could've deserved it more. He's outpitched "The Rocket" this season, and is now (as of the time of me typing this) 46 strike-outs away from 1,000 in his career. Thats all in 4 seasons. He's been in the ML for 5, but one season he was out with a surgery. He is, imo, the best pitcher in the NL, except for Mark Prior, who, thankfully, is also a Cubbie.

Everyone points out pitching as the Cubs problem. Which is in a way true, it is the picthings fault that have caused so many losses lately. But, its only certain pitchers. The 'savers', as you will. Remlinger and Alfonseca have blown game after game lately, when they are supposed to be getting the save. I often wonder which team they are trying to save the game for, the opponents or their own? Cubs problem is, they keep going to them time and again, when they have plenty of other pitchers to use, #1 being Kyle Farnsworth. Their closer is set: Joe Borowski. If I ran the team, I'd use him in every game. He's only blown it once this season. He's solid, and is what the team needs more of.

Another thing is this: today the Cubs have played their 90th game of the season. With a win today, I beleive they will be tied for first. If not then they will be 1 game back still. I heard Pat and Ron on WGN720 say that if the Cubs we're out west, with thier record, they'd be 10 games outta first, and if they were in the east, they'd be 12 games outta first. Well guess what, they are in the NL Central, the best division to be in baseball. There are 4 teams right now that are in the running for first place. That means that each team wants it bad, they are fighting to stay up. Especially the Cubs. This is there best year in recent memory, and they arent about to give up. How many people can say that about the other divisions in baseball? The ones where one team always dominates the others? You cant. You cannot deny the NL Central of being the best division in all of baseball. The fact that the Cubs are doing so well in the toughest and 'fightinest' division in baseball, is a true testament of how good of a team they are and how determined they are to win it this year.

Go Cubs!

From the game I've seen the Cubs play about 10-15 possibly a few more their pitching staff is at least better than the Blue Jays or at least their bullpin is.

Wood and Prior are two of the best young pitchers in the game today. The Cubs bullpin has to be at least better than the Blue Jays who contine to blow lead after lead during the 8th and 9th innings

Haddonfield

07-10-2003, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
What happened at the Pirates/Brewers game last night? Something about a Buc hitting an Italian sausage mascot with a bat. Caught only a glimpse of it on the news, and couldn't find anything about it on MLB.com...

I just watched it over at ESPN.com...

What a joke...this guy was just having some fun. The race was going on and he leaned over the dugout and just gave the mascot a love tap on the head....problem is they are top heavy and she fell knocking over another mascot....the guy gets arrested and handcuffed out of the stadium and just heard he was fined about 430 bucks by the police....

I cant belive they would arrest the guy. they were just having fun...no harm was meant....how lame.

Haddonfield

07-10-2003, 03:06 PM

This might help...

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0709/1578808.html#

SykkBoy

07-10-2003, 04:48 PM

Uh oh, now the Braves are REALLY going to turn it up a notch!

11-3 over the Cubbies so far......

jackson13

07-10-2003, 05:33 PM

Time to disect the Cubbies, player by player. Post could get long.

Pitchers:

Antonio Alfonseca: A 'saver' who has lost the ability to save. Once a feared pitcher on the mound, is no feared by his own teammates and the fans. Everyone knows that when he's put into the game, either the game will be blown or if the other team already has the lead, they will extend it. Take today for example. He comes in the game, gives up 5 runs, Braves extend the lead to 11-3. It happens every damn time. It's gotta stop. He needs to go.

Joe Borowski: I cant praise this guy enough. He is, IMO, the best closer in the majors. He's only blown it once this year. He is excellent. Only problem is, he cant do it every game. Cubs need to get another closer to help take some of the weight off of Joe.

Shawn Estes: What can I say? He's the weakness of the rotation. Gives up run after run in every game he throws. Kid just doesnt have it. Needs to go.

Matt Clement: Matt is an on-again off-again type of pitcher. Luckily he's been on lately. He's a solid starter and thats what the Cubs need more of.

Kyle Farnsworth: Yet another case of 'on-again off-again'. Unfortunately, while he has a wicked fastball, he's off more then he's on. He left the bases loaded today with Alfonseca coming in to 'save' the game. That stuffs just not gonna fly. You cant do that. You have to keep the game in the bag, not blow it wide open for the other team. Sad to say, but Farnsworth needs to go.

Mark Guthrie, Dave Veres and Mike Remlinger: I've combined these 3 guys because they all serve the same purpose. IMO, Remlinger needs to go. He's quickly becoming another Alfonseca. Guthrie has been pretty solid from what I've seen. However, I have no idea what to say about Veres because, I've never seen him pitch.

Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Carlos Zambrano: These 3 guys are the heart of the Cubs pitching. IMO, they are the best 3 starters in the NL. Every team the Cubs play prays that they dont have to go against Wood, Prior and Zambrano in the rotation. If the Cubs had more pitchers like these 3, they would be the best team in baseball, no doubt about it.

Catchers

Paul Bako and Damien Miller: 2 very excellent catchers. Both are great at stopping the balls that are wild. Offensively both are great hitters. They can both hit the long ball, which is a good key.

Outfielders

Sammy Sosa: Totally dominates right field. Sammy hardly ever makes a mistake out in right. He gives it his all every game. The man lives for baseball, and I think its safe to say, is the backbone of this ball club. The 'cork fiasco' has hurt him, but only in other stadiums. Cubs fans are still behind him 100% and he is finally getting back into his groove offensively. I look for him to blow it open and be the Sammy of old after the All-Star break.

Moises Alou: First off I gotta say Im very much surprised that he didnt make the All-Star team. Alou is awesome in left, he is just as good as Sosa is in right. He can also hit very well. Home runs and base hits, which is what you need on a team to make them click. Excellent player.

Corey Patterson: Sad news came this week with the loss of Patterson for the season. Corey was the best hitter on the team and a dominating center fielder. His loss has really hurt the Cubs, especially offensively. Cant wait for him to come back next year.

Tom Goodwin: I'm glad the Cubs have Tom because he's taken over center field very well since Corey was hurt. He's also good at hitting. So far he's a good replacement for Corey, lets hope it stays that way.

Troy O'Leary: Troy doesnt see much playin time because Sosa and Alou are so good. But, when Troy is in the game, he is a good filler. Cant say nothing bad about him.

Infielders

Hee Sop Choi and Eric Karros: IMO, Choi is the best 1st baseman in the NL. He is tall, very tall, which is a huge plus being at first. He can stretch and jump for the ball, which is what you need in that position. He is also an excellent hitter. He has an amazing eye for pitches, and can hit the ball a mile when he wants. Karros was a good addition to this team. Another good hitter and fielder. Choi just outshines him though.

Alex Gonzalez and Jose Hernandez: Two very solid ShortStops. Only problem with Gonzo is, he makes to many errors. He needs to get down on the ball more and follow through with plays. He is an excellent hitter, and if the game goes into extra innings, he is the designated "savior". Hernandez was a welcome addition to the team, he's helped take some weight off of Gonzo's back, and he can hit the ball just as well.

Mark Grudzilanek and Ramon Martinez: Mark is excellent at second. If a ball is hit to him, its a guarantee that he will stop it. He can also hit extemely well. Between him and Gonzo, its a guarantee he will almost always be on base. Base hits and home runs, just perfect. When Ramon is in the game, he takes over 2nd very well, but I feel he could be a much better hitter. Nuff said on that one. He also covers 3rd real well.

Lenny Harris: Harris is an excellent hitter, and a good replacement for the bonehead trade of Mark Bellhorn. I'd like to know what the hell the Cubs we're thinking with that one? I miss Bellhorn though.

With that said, lets review. Cubs need to lose: Alfonseca, Farnsworth, Remlinger and Estes. They need to add more players like Wood, Prior and pretty much everyone else on the team. The Cubs problem is, they have good hitting, but it could be better. They have good pitching, but the 'savers' always blow it. When they dont blow it they have an excellent closer. Unfortunately, they blow it more then they save it. Lets hope Dusty wakes up after the All-Star break and gets this team into the World Series Champs they should be.