NFL OFFSEASON DISCUSSION THREAD!

[Rated R]

Okay, the NFL Draft is just around the corner and the Bengals are getting ready to doom yet another promising young Quarterback, but who will they choose to ruin? Carson Palmer? That's my bet, what do you think?


Me being a Dolphins fan, I was glad to see the trade for Seau, but we need more. Now Ray Lucas is going to be released so we can court Brian Griese away from washing Grebdron's car. I think he needs a change of scenery, and in Miami, like Ricky Williams will excell.


I would go so far and predict who I think will win each division, but it's a tad bit early for that. I want to know how each of your faveourite teams and least favourite teams are shaping up, what is the likely outcome...you Bengals and Lions fans already know your fate...anyway cheers, and talk up the NFL offseason...I can't wait for kickoff.

[Grebdron]

You;re right about Palmer going to Cinci. I haven't kept up with much else, but will post more when I read up.

Griese's a good holder for extra points. You guys hsould get alot of value out of him.;)

[MixMasterMoose]

The Draft is only a few days awawy. Huzzah.

I think the Miami trade for Seau was a good trade per say but they overpaid (14 over 4 years) for a player who is getting on in the years and who takes way too many chances.

Don't understand Boston signing with the Chargers. I can't see him fitting well into their system. I give him 7 games before he starts to voice his complaints.

I like all of Buffalos moves with the exception of Sam Adams. Getting Spikes was a steal. That man can play.

Still not sure what to make of the Broncos signing Plummer. I have an odd feeling this is going to turn out to be a bust.

Didn't like the signing of Hugh Douglas by Jacksonville. The deal is back loaded (665,000 is 03 with increases following upto a maximum of 6.0 in 06 and 07) I think they will live to regret this decision. He is 31 (Or around there) and most DE that play his style slow down fairly quick around this age.

Washington: Overpayed wayyyyy to much for Coles. The role which they signed Morton for isn't the best one he is suited for. I think the jury is still out on Candidate. Randy Thomas was an excellent pick-up.

Arizona: Start scouting nexts year draft.

and My Team!

Vikings: Claiborne was a great pick up IF he keeps his weight under check. He showed up around 250 in Minnesota (correct me if I'm wrong) which is closer to his playing weight. Walker was a solid pickup as well as Rosenthal. Dunno what to think about Lyons. Don't really care much for Irvin.

As for my prediction: The Vikings finish 10-6 and make it into the playoffs.

I hope the fudge packers get killed this year. If not I know they will when they visit us. Farve has a tough time in domes.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
As for my prediction: The Vikings finish 10-6 and make it into the playoffs.

That's a bold prediction. They have alot of talent, but without Moss giving 100%, they're fucked. And Moss hasn't given 100% since his rookie year. It seems the only thing keeping him steady the first year was Cris. And with Cris gone, Randy's gone to hell. Culpeeper is good, but can't do it himself.

[Cunning Visions]

I'm a Dolphins fan also and I have to admit...our offensive line worries me. Theres just not enough depth and it seems a key o. line player ALWAYS goes down with an injury during the season. Hopefully we will use the draft or whoevers left in free agency to get one.

As for the Bengals well, they hired a new coach!!...again
they promised changes this season!!...again
they will be lucky to win 2 games!!...again

The team to look out for this season is Buffalo. They did EXTREMELY well this offseason.

[horrorfreak13]

the Bungles will win 1 game no matter what they did in the off season.

The NFL opener has my Redskins with former Jets Leverneus Coles and Chad Morton against their former team now get a QB.

Speaking of the draft my Redskins don't have a first round pick because the Jets have it, but we'll see when the season starts when my Redskins go far at least farther than last year.

[MarkItZero]

I think it would be a big mistake for the Bungles to pick Carson Palmer. I dont think he is nearly as good as advertised. He won the heisman essentially on the strength of one game. His first three years in college he threw almost as many picks as TDs. it wasnt until the last six games of his career that he really turned it on. I'm not saying he wont develop into a good NFL QB, but I definately dont think he is a superstar worthy of a #1 pick.

Instead, the Bungles should pick for defense. With some of the defensive talent the have assembled, plus the coach's expertise, they could have a pretty potent defensive lineup, that would keep them in a lot of games. Terrence Newman would be a great pick for them in my opinion.

I'm glad to see that the Packers are having a bad offseason. They have lost a lot of depth and some key defensive players. Which should make it easier for the Bears to win the division this year.

Thats right, MixMaster. The Bears, not the Viqueens will be next year's NFC North champs. The best you can hope for from Moss and Co is to battle the Lions for last place.

[Cunning Visions]

he he he...Viqueens :D Why didn't I think of that?!!

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by Grebdron
That's a bold prediction. They have alot of talent, but without Moss giving 100%, they're fucked. And Moss hasn't given 100% since his rookie year. It seems the only thing keeping him steady the first year was Cris. And with Cris gone, Randy's gone to hell. Culpeeper is good, but can't do it himself.

Meh, I said the same thing last year (10-6 + playoffs). I think its a stretch this year but if all things go well (and they never do) we could end up there.

MarkItZero: Thanks. I needed that. I haven't laughed that hard in awhile;) . Seriously though: As far as I'm concerned you have the best Mac/Mike backer in the league and one of the best d's. But you have question marks at two very important positions, QB and RB. I would really like to see the Anthony Thomas become a force again (he was one of my favorite college players) but I don't think it will happen. And you have Slash. Dear God. Start Praying. Add to that two inexperienced tackles and disaster should soon follow. But than again after their past two seasons.... who knows.

[MixMasterMoose]

So Palmer and Bengals finalized a contract. Poor Poor Palmer.


In other news: The Packers claimered Crouch off of waivers and will give him a shot to play QB.

[Moviefan1234]

The Bills look to be going after a DE, which I think is wise. Hopefully they can draft Michael Haynes from Penn State. There are rumors that they may be tempted to take Kyle Boller if he's available though.

[Munson]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
He won the heisman essentially on the strength of one game. His first three years in college he threw almost as many picks as TDs. it wasnt until the last six games of his career that he really turned it on.
I think this is going overboard a little bit. Palmer had a very good senior year. The first half of USC's schedule was brutal last year. He still put up very good numbers the first half of the season. Sure his second half numbers were slightly better but the competition was much less also.

[Rated R]

The Giants are looking to move Ron Dayne and a draft pick to a higher pick so they can draft a defensive lineman. I personally don't think anyone will bite. So far Dayne has been very mediocre, and that is being complimentary. He is a bust and will NEVER be a star back. Sorry, it just won't happen. If someone decides to risk him, it'll be a mistake.

[PapaJupe2k]

Clock runs out on Vikings in the draft.:D hehehehe. I don't think Tice liked Berman and Denny Green making fun of him for it. Draft a personality Tice would ya.

[Munson]

Incredible. The Ravens get Suggs and Boller in the first round. Ozzie Newsome is the man.

[Moviefan1234]

My Bills snag Mr. McGahee. Let's hope he pans out...

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
My Bills snag Mr. McGahee. Let's hope he pans out...

I don't understand why the Bills took MaGahee. They already have Travis Henry and Olindas Gary.

What would the draft be with out a Vikings Gaff? God if last years draft wasn't bad enough..

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
I don't understand why the Bills took MaGahee. They already have Travis Henry and Olindas Gary.



Henry had 11 fumbles last year and if he can't fix that problem he will lose playing time. Olandis Gary is only a backup RB. If McGahee comes back from this injury he has the potential to be one of the greats, he if doesn't he'll be a bust. They've had a great free agency and I guess they feel he'll come back. I, for one, think it was a wise gamble. There wasn't one single player they really wanted, so why not take a chance? Especially with one of the best college running backs in the last 5 years.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Henry had 11 fumbles last year and if he can't fix that problem he will lose playing time. Olandis Gary is only a backup RB. If McGahee comes back from this injury he has the potential to be one of the greats, he if doesn't he'll be a bust. They've had a great free agency and I guess they feel he'll come back. I, for one, think it was a wise gamble. There wasn't one single player they really wanted, so why not take a chance? Especially with one of the best college running backs in the last 5 years.

So you are going to pay a player first round money to sit on the bench for around a year? Any way you look at it this choice is a poor decision.

While Henry did have 11 fumbles he also had 1438 yards rushing, 302 yards receiving and 14 touchdowns not to mention that he signed an extension through 2005. Those totals amount to 5th in the league in rushing and 5th best season performance total in Bill history.

I agree that McGahee is a special talent but Buffalo should have used this pick on someone else.

[MarkItZero]

It confused me that the Bills took Mcgahee, since they had so many other gaping holes, however I think it was foolish for so many other teams to pass him up. This guy is gonna be a real force in the NFL.

The fuckin Bears fucked up. But I dont mind, at least this will get Juaronstadt fired sooner.

[Cunning Visions]

:confused: ...This was me after seeing who the Dolphins drafted

[Grebdron]

I would have let McGahee drop to the 3d or 4th round. Denver has proven that you can find quality running backs late. Just like my Raiders did, picking up Huggy Bear, Jr. (Justin Fargas) in the later rounds. I'm happy with our draft.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
So you are going to pay a player first round money to sit on the bench for around a year? Any way you look at it this choice is a poor decision.

While Henry did have 11 fumbles he also had 1438 yards rushing, 302 yards receiving and 14 touchdowns not to mention that he signed an extension through 2005. Those totals amount to 5th in the league in rushing and 5th best season performance total in Bill history.

I agree that McGahee is a special talent but Buffalo should have used this pick on someone else.

I think this was a case of "too good to pass up," we'll see how it pans out.

[Kastman]

I like american football but its never on tv here so i cant keep updated, but who won the super bowl in the season just gone?

I hope it was the St. Louis Rams, coz thats the team i go for.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Kastman
I like american football but its never on tv here so i cant keep updated, but who won the super bowl in the season just gone?

I hope it was the St. Louis Rams, coz thats the team i go for.

It was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who kicked the shit out of my Oakland Raiders.

The Rams missed the playoffs entirely.

[bmain77]

The Vikings- 10-6...Moss must plan in actually trying on about 55% of the plays


not that I have much room to talk being a Lions fan, though they'll be much improved this year. I really think 7-8 wins is not out of the question. Harrington and Rogers(even though he's a Spartan) will be tearing up defenses for years to come. Mariucci would be crazy not to open of the west coast offense some and take some deep shots next season. The o line is very solid and with a decent passing game going James Stewart could have the best season of his career even though he doesn't really fit into a west coast style offense. The only realy question mark on the team are the DB's and they should me much improved with the addition of Dre Bly and the youngsters getting another year under their belt. Plus I'm sure they'll still add another veteran after the June cuts.

Palmer got bust written all over him. I don't know what it is, but if I had to put money on it I'd definitly say he's going to do nothing in the league. He just has that look about him. The same look Ryan Leaf, Dan Mcgwire, and David Klingler had about them. It's sort of like the serial killer look. I can't put my finger on it, but serial killers have this aura about them just like NFL QB busts do.

Byron Leftwich is going to be the real deal. All you need to know about him is watch that footage of his players carrying up to the line on a broken leg. If I was GM and only saw that footage that'd be all I would need to see to draft him. The Bears and Bengles are going to regret the day they passed on him in a few years.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by bmain77
Harrington and Rogers(even though he's a Spartan)

Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you what you thought of the Charlie Rogers pick. I can see how he would kind of half ass it after the year the Spartans had last year. I saw him live at Kinnick Stadium last year, and he certainly didn't look like he was going 100% against what was one of the worst pass defenses in college football at the time.

Byron Leftwich is going to be the real deal. The Bears and Bengles are going to regret the day they passed on him in a few years.

I'm stumped as well as to why the Bears didn't take him. Trading down in order to get Haynes, who wasn't even projected as a first round pick? Jury's out on Grossman, who I am real skeptical of after the year he had last year at Florida, time will tell I guess.

[bmain77]

Oh I have my doubts when it comes to Rogers, but the guy has so much talent. I'm going to be optimistic as much as possible, but trust me I'll be the first that jumps off the bandwagon saying I told you so when it turns out he is Randy Moss Jr. I'm hoping Mariucci turns him into Terrell Owens Jr., someone who runs his mouth and does some dumb things, but plays his ass off on every down.

I really think part of the problem was that state was so horrible this year in addition to the Jeff Smoker scandel. Rogers was the sole person that teams had to fear when they were playing MSU. Smoker and the other QB's were locked on to him on every play so he had to deal with a lot of balls that probably shouldn't have been thrown his way.

But rogers does have some baggage. In high school his baby's mamma stabbed in with a fork collapsing a lung. He ran his mouth when Saban left for LSU saying things like he'd go to Michigan if they didn't hire Bobby Williams as head coach even though Michigan wouldn't take him. UM will not take a partial qualifier. And hell his good friend Jason RIchardson was picked up in Saginaw last night for domestic abuse. I'm surprised that hasn't hit ESPN yet. You can't forget that diluted sample stuff from the combine too.

I'm still going to be positive though. I really think there has been reciever this talented to come out since Randy Moss. Lets just hope Mariucci and Bobby Williams can keep him in line. It's going to be tough with him so close to the old neighborhood.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by bmain77
The Vikings- 10-6...Moss must plan in actually trying on about 55% of the plays

I don't understand how you can say this.
2002 stats:
Total Offense, NFL: Vikings #2
Total Offence, NFC: Vikings #1
Receiving, NFL: Randy Moss #2
Receiving, NFC: Randy Moss#1
Take into consideration that most people say that Randy had an 'Off' year (this can also be related to the fact that the Vikings lead the league in rushing). One hell of an off year if you ask me . Seems like the man is unfairly critized for not giving a full effort all the time. Kinda funny when you consider he ranks above so many other players who give a 'full effort' all the time. It blows my mind that so many people can say he is the source of the Vikings problems when the real problem is that the Vikings o-line is average at best (to quote Tice and his coaching staff) and a horrible, horrible d.


Randy Moss does not give a full effort in every play. Without a doubt. But there are VERY VERY few receivers that do.

[PapaJupe2k]

I can see what your saying Moose, but it's his attitude, not the numbers that are the problem. I don't think people blame him for all the Vikings problems. Believe me I hear about this everyday as this area is just oversaturated with Viking fans. I don't think they will ever get to that next level with him around because Culpepper and his teammates just rely on him waaaay too much to try to bail them out of every tough situation. The way Culpepper just locks on to him on the majority of the pass plays I think is more of a hindrence that a help. Sure he makes his share of spectacular plays, but there are more interceptions and incompletions that shouldn't have been thrown that outweigh those numbers by a long way.

Sure some receivers take plays off, but a man of his talent, who could possibly be the best ever shouldn't be doing that with as much frequency as he does. The Vikings have a lot of problems which start in the front office (see #7, I mean #9 draft pick:D ).

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
I can see what your saying Moose, but it's his attitude, not the numbers that are the problem. I don't think people blame him for all the Vikings problems. Believe me I hear about this everyday as this area is just oversaturated with Viking fans. I don't think they will ever get to that next level with him around because Culpepper and his teammates just rely on him waaaay too much to try to bail them out of every tough situation. The way Culpepper just locks on to him on the majority of the pass plays I think is more of a hindrence that a help. Sure he makes his share of spectacular plays, but there are more interceptions and incompletions that shouldn't have been thrown that outweigh those numbers by a long way.

Sure some receivers take plays off, but a man of his talent, who could possibly be the best ever shouldn't be doing that with as much frequency as he does. The Vikings have a lot of problems which start in the front office (see #7, I mean #9 draft pick:D ).

I agree with most of your statement but than again doesn't T.O. have the same attitude problem? Agreed that there is a heavily reliance on him but there should be ('who could possibly be the best ever'). Culpepper locking onto Moss is a issue that has to be addressed. There is no #2 reciever on the team at the moment which is part of the problem. Another aspect of Culpepper focusing solely on Moss was the Randy Ratio (when this was dropped Culpeppers effectivness went up). Thirdly is the lack of focus and mental prepation by Culpepper. Culpepper struggles with reading a d and when and who he should be throwing to (this can be cured by spending some time studying tape).

And holy shit...two years running...Anyone know where I can apply to work in the Viking war room cause apparently any fool can get a job there.

[bmain77]

Here is my deal with Moss. I will not deny that he isn't the best WR in football (though T. Owens is not far behind) and maybe the most talented player period. However it's his attitude. I'd take Owens any day over him because Owens plays his ass off on every play. He learned first hand from the best ever, Jerry Rice. Sure he says and does dumb things but notice his effort on the field has never been questioned. Moss on the other hand well we know all about him. If I was an offensive lineman on the Vikings I would have beaten the shit out of Moss the very next day in the lockerroom even if it meant my release from the team. All WR's take a play here and there, even Jerry Rice, that goes with the game on plays like runs the other way or if they are just a decoy or somethign on the the play. But to come out an say is plain wrong. Also it is noticeable on many plays when he doesn't put the effort into finishing off block and pass routes.

Like Barry Bonds and Allen Iverson he has this chip on his shoulder like everyone is out to get them, never having the brains to figure out why nobody likes them. Sometimes they say it might have to do with racism, which is rediculous. It's not just abot stats and performance. It boggles my mind why Iverson doesn't understand the uproar created about his statement about "practice only being practice...only the game matters....practice is no big deal etc..." It's about respect for the game and for your teamates.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by bmain77
However it's his attitude. I'd take Owens any day over him because Owens plays his ass off on every play. He learned first hand from the best ever, Jerry Rice. Sure he says and does dumb things but notice his effort on the field has never been questioned. Moss on the other hand well we know all about him. If I was an offensive lineman on the Vikings I would have beaten the shit out of Moss the very next day in the lockerroom even if it meant my release from the team. All WR's take a play here and there, even Jerry Rice, that goes with the game on plays like runs the other way or if they are just a decoy or somethign on the the play. But to come out an say is plain wrong. Also it is noticeable on many plays when he doesn't put the effort into finishing off block and pass routes.

I agree that you have a valid point with the exception of one area. I am going to assume when you say 'If I was an offensive lineman on the Vikings I would have beaten the shit out of Moss the very next day in the lockerroom even if it meant my release from the team' that it is in regard to the 'I play when I want to play' comment. What the majority of people don't realize is the context in which this comment was made.

Reporter: Does Cris Cater motivate you to play?
Moss: No, I play when I want to play.
(This isn't exact but it gets the jist of question/answer)

To me this means, I don't need anybody else to motivate me to play. I can do that myself. Unfortunately Moss has that chip on his shoulder so when further pressed about that issue he refused to back down or change it in any way (and the press didn't bother with the question asked only with 'I play when I want to play').

Owens does not play his ass off every play. No reciever does. Watch him on every play and you will being to notice that he does take plays off. It's a fact of life as much as the sun rises every morning. Although, T.O. does give an effort on more plays than Moss, with a doubt.

[Rated R]

There are a handful of WR's in the league that I like more than Moss. I wouldn't want Moss on my team and the reason's have been expressed enough in this thread that I don't need to reiterate. I will however say which WR's I would take over Moss in a heartbeat:

Oronde Gadsden - hardest worker on the Dolphins offense and I will be extremely disappointed if he goes elsewhere.

Eric Moulds - Sure, he's on the competition but he is the real deal, one of the best in the league and will be remembered as one of the best after he retires.

Keyshawn Johnson - When he needs to he puts up big plays and every game he improves in Tampa...hasn't quite hit his stride yet, and I'm not sure if he will, but the Bowl ring might inspire him.

Jerry Porter - The Jerry on Oakland who's play was a major reason why they made it to the big game. Sure he was their third receiver but this guy outshone both Rice and Brown in the playoffs.

Marvin Harrison - Obvious choice, but he deserves it when teammates Peyton Manning and Edgerrin James are fuckin off their games.

David Boston - Give him a QB! He'll put up great numbers.


I will post more later

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Rated R
Jerry Porter - The Jerry on Oakland who's play was a major reason why they made it to the big game. Sure he was their third receiver but this guy outshone both Rice and Brown in the playoffs.

An absolute star in the making. Great work ethic, ridiculous speed and size. I'm very happy we found him.

[bmain77]

Jerry Porter, David Boston, and Andre Johnson are all freaks of nature. I mean to be built like that and still have the flexibility and speed to move like they do is unreal. When Boston flexes his muscles I swear to god it looks like his bicep is about to burst. I'd love to see any of these guys line up and safety just once to see what kind of hit they could put on someone coming across the middle.

Yeah owens does take plays off, but not on running plays and screen passes to his side of the field. Have you seen the footage that brought all this stuff to a head. ESPN brook down film from a single play where Moss just let the DB's go buy him with one play resulting in Robert Smith nearly getting torn in half because Moss didn't feel like blocking anybody on that play.

Anyway you cut it Moss is a cancer to his team in the same way Barry Bonds and Allen Iverson (though I will say he has improved greatly this year) are. I'd bet money that if Moss went for any period of time Culpepper's stats would improve. Partly because he and the coaching staff wouldn't lock on to Moss, but also because of team chemistry reasons.

[Rated R]

Raiders have re-signed right guard Mo Collins to a multi-year deal. Details of the deal have not been announced.

Personally this affects me very little. And I don't know if Raider fans will even care. I mean he isn't great, he's a good guard matched on a great offensive line. He is surrounded by talent and he will be successful.


Second news article:

Yet another Ex-Cowboy charged, this time with assault! Erik Williams beat up his wife and was released on $7,500 bail. Here's the article as printed on Sportsline:

Erik Williams Beats Wife (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6358188)


No surprise really, if it had been say, Brett Favre or Joe Montana I would have been surprised...but nope, it was a former Cowboy, and they seem to have a knack for getting themselves in shit. At least it's not as ridiculous as Nate Newton and his marijuana dealings...idiot.

[Moviefan1234]

I'd love to know what goes through the minds of these Cowboys. Is it really worth it?

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
I'd love to know what goes through the minds of these Cowboys.

A 1/4 ounce of blow a day?

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by Grebdron
A 1/4 ounce of blow a day?

Well that just made my day.


In other news Pat Summerall has called it quits.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Well that just made my day.

My work here is done.;)

[Moviefan1234]

The Vikings signed Culpepper to a 10 year $102 million contract extension. Interesting to say the least, he didn't impress me much last season.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
The Vikings signed Culpepper to a 10 year $102 million contract extension. Interesting to say the least, he didn't impress me much last season.

Agreed. I was at the bar and caught this on the news. I almost threw my beer through the tv.


Christ lets do the math: 32 turnovers a year (based on last years stats) x 10 years= 320 turnovers
102 million dollars/ 320 turnovers = 0.32 million a turnover

All things considered its not that bad of a deal.:rolleyes:

[Rated R]

More shocking news related to the Cowboys...undrafted free agent RB Ennis Haywood has died of unknown causes a day after being placed under life support at the Medical Center of Arlington. This is kind of scary, and very sad. It doesn't look to be drug related so the usual Cowboy stereotype doesn't apply. Sad, he was only 23.

Here's the link:

Ennis Haywood dies mysteriously (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6365040)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Rated R
More shocking news related to the Cowboys...undrafted free agent RB Ennis Haywood has died of unknown causes a day after being placed under life support at the Medical Center of Arlington. This is kind of scary, and very sad. It doesn't look to be drug related so the usual Cowboy stereotype doesn't apply. Sad, he was only 23.

Here's the link:

Ennis Haywood dies mysteriously (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6365040)

That's too bad and young too. I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the cowboys, but I don't wish this. He was probably going to have a promising career too.

It's like they say the good die young.

[Nachokoolaid]

As much as it seems the Cowboys are hated here, I'll admit that they are my favorite team, without a doubt. I stay through the thick and thin. I hate to read news like that about Ennis Heywood. Did they ever determine the cause of his death?


Tampa Bay Verses Miami in the Super Bowl this year. What do you think?

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by Nachokoolaid
Tampa Bay Verses Miami in the Super Bowl this year. What do you think?

Miami will never make it to the Super Bowl until they fire their head coach. Wanndstadt has no business running an NFL team, and it shows every December when the Dolphins fall apart.

I'm thinking....

Chicago vs New England

[RicochetShaw]

This is old news, but.... I think it was a very wise move by the Vikings to resign Culpepper. I know he had a lackluster season this year, but honestly...this guy has the potential to be the best QB in the league. Look at him..6'4'', 260 lbs, cannon arm, quick and fast. He's a one man team. In his first 2 years he was unstoppable, and I don't think that's faded quite yet.


and Nacho, don't feel so alone. While the Raiders are ineed my favorite team, I was raised in Dallas and can't deny my roots. I'm very partial to the Cowboys (when they're not playing the Raiders). I even loathe Dallas' eternal rivalry, the 49ers more than the Raiders' rivalry, the Broncos.

[horrorfreak13]

Denver is supposed to release Brian Griese today. I was hoping my Redskins would get him but i don't think they can fit his salary. Appearently Miami is the front runner in getting Griese.

[bmain77]

I can't see Griese fitting into Spurriers system. Griese needs to play in a more balanced offense allowing him to do some play action passing like he had a Michigan and during his better years in Denver.

I'm excited as hell to see him in Miami. I think he'll be more comfortable closer to home. Miami's offense should fit his talents perfectly with their strong running game. My only worry is that pressure of living up to his dads legend in Miami will be just as stressful as taking over for John Elway was. Of course I'm assuming at some point he's going to send Fiedler back to the bench where he belongs.

I'm a huge Michigan slappy so of course I'm a huge fan of Griese, so my comments are a bit tainted maize and blue. But that aside I still think he's a very solid starting qb in the NFL. He's not an all world talent who is going to win many games on his own, but if in a solid system he doesn't make a lot of mental mistakes and lose games for you either. I think Denver may have made a mistake with him. Nearly every year in Denver he's had to deal with serious injuries to key skilled players and never had his full complement of weapons for any length of time. Plus he probably isn't the ideal qb for the west coast offense.

[Munson]

Originally posted by MarkItZero

I'm thinking....

Chicago vs New England
No way. Two words Kordell Stewart.

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by Munson
No way. Two words Kordell Stewart.

Who?

Its only a matter of time before Rex Grossman begins his decade long domination of the league!

(please god, please god, please god ,please,please....)

[Moviefan1234]

Grossman has all the potential in the world to be a superstar. But so did Ryan Leaf. ;)

Only time will tell I guess.

[MarkItZero]

You are comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf.

The Leaf of this draft is gonna be Carson Palmer

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
You are comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf.

The Leaf of this draft is gonna be Carson Palmer

Definately a possibility, but I doubt it.

[RicochetShaw]

Hey Mark, what about Cade McNown?:D








Actually, I thought McNown had a lot of untapped potential. The Bears released him way too early; but didn't succeed either way.

[Grebdron]

Cade's a winner, and Chicago gave up much too early. Granted, he said some stupid things, and the fans would never have accepted him back, but he can definitely win football games.

Carson Palmer will be fine. He's no Montana, but he's no Leaf, either.

[Moviefan1234]

I think Palmer will follow a path similar to Peyton Manning. He should be successful. Leftwich will be interesting to watch though. Will he fail?

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
I think Palmer will follow a path similar to Peyton Manning. He should be successful. Leftwich will be interesting to watch though. Will he fail?

I think you're right about Palmer. With Leaf, the only reason he failed was his piss-poor attitude. Palmer is at least a good guy. (Hurts to say that, being I'm a UCLA fan.)

With Leftwich, I think it depends on durability. With this new breed of quarterbacks who are running threats, they are going to take a pounding. The best of the bunch, Michael Vick, hurt his hip in the playoffs last year. Took a wicked shot trying to get in the end zone. The upper-class of these quarterbacks have all the tools, but can they last a whole season?

This is the $100,000 question.

[PapaJupe2k]

Leftwich isn't going to be mobile, but if he can get it in his head to just unload it to the sideline or throw it away when pressured he should avoid injury because he wont be a running threat. He's big, has a strong arm, and played in the same system that produced Jets qb Chad Pennington, so I look for Leftwich to do well.

Vick on the other hand has a great injury risk to him. But he's such and exciting playmaker, how do you tell him to tone it down? If he'd just head out of bounds after a nice run once in a while it might decrease the risk, but then again you dont want him to lose that intensity. I hope he does stay injury free because I love watching him play and I'm not a Falcons fan. Mobile qb's add a real excitement to the game for the fans.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Vick on the other hand has a great injury risk to him. But he's such and exciting playmaker, how do you tell him to tone it down? If he'd just head out of bounds after a nice run once in a while it might decrease the risk, but then again you dont want him to lose that intensity. I hope he does stay injury free because I love watching him play and I'm not a Falcons fan. Mobile qb's add a real excitement to the game for the fans.

He is the single most watchable player in the game right now. Unbelievable. But I fear he won't last too long. He did single-handedly bring the Falcons to the playoffs. It's been a long time since that can be said for any player.

[Moviefan1234]

Leftwich definately has a cannon on him. Before one of Marshall's games they showed a tape of him throwing a ball 75-80 yards and hitting a trash can that was the target. And he was kneeling!

[Munson]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Leftwich definately has a cannon on him. Before one of Marshall's games they showed a tape of him throwing a ball 75-80 yards and hitting a trash can that was the target. And he was kneeling!
Are you sure that wasn't Kyle Boller? During the draft everybody kept making a big deal about Boller throwing the ball through the goal posts from the 50 yard line on his knees. If Leftwich did this I think that everybody would have been making a big deal about this also. I do remember something about Leftwich hitting a trash can though. It just wasn't on his knees.

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Cade's a winner, and Chicago gave up much too early. Granted, he said some stupid things, and the fans would never have accepted him back, but he can definitely win football games.

Carson Palmer will be fine. He's no Montana, but he's no Leaf, either.

Its not like Cade never got any chances outside of Chicago. He was cut by both the Dolphins and the 49ers.

However, I dont think the Bears did him any favors with their 'system' of preparing him to be a starting QB.

The last two Bears coaching staffs (and probably more before that) have proved to be completely inept at grooming QBs. Which is why I worry for Rex Grossman.



Leftwich is definately not one of the mobile QBs, in fact his big knock was his lack of mobility. He is much more of a pure pocket passer.

I love Vick. He is so much fun to watch. I attended the Sugar Bowl the year Virginia Tech played FSU for the national title. Vick was crazy in that game. He would end up running about 20 yards behind scrimmage dodging tacklers and then somehow turning it into a gain. Awesome stuff.

It would really be a shame if he were to suffer some sort of bad injury.

[horrorfreak13]

we will have to wait and see what Carson Palmer does for a few years, but he is playing for a franchise that hasn't had a winnning season since the late 80s and judging by the history of heisman trophy winning players(which I believe none have even made it to the superbowl) it dosen't look good.

Urlacher signed a huge deal to remain with the Bears for another 9 years well good for them because they haven't had much success in the past 7 years and can build to ba a contender.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
we will have to wait and see what Carson Palmer does for a few years, but he is playing for a franchise that hasn't had a winnning season since the late 80s and judging by the history of heisman trophy winning players(which I believe none have even made it to the superbowl) it dosen't look good.

It might be a little nitpicky, hf, but Charles Woodson made it to the Super Bowl last year.

[Munson]

Ron Dayne
Charles Woodson
Eddie George
Desmond Howard
Tim Brown
Marcus Allen
Tony Dorsett
Jim Plunkett
Roger Staubach

All of these guys won the Heisman and played in the Superbowl

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Munson
Ron Dayne
Charles Woodson
Eddie George
Desmond Howard
Tim Brown
Marcus Allen
Tony Dorsett
Jim Plunkett
Roger Staubach

All of these guys won the Heisman and played in the Superbowl

I guess I should have researched this first. Well I admit was wrong but I also notice there hasn't been a heisman trophy winning QB in the superbowl since Plunkett went there in 1984.

I found a list of past heisman QBs
Eric Couch (2001)
Chris Weinke (2000)
Danny Wuerffel (1996)
Charlie Ward (1993)
Gino Torretta (1992)
Ty Detmer (1990)
Andre Ware (1989).
Vinny Testevarde (1985)
Doug Flutie (1984)
Jim Plunkett (1970)
Pat Sullivan (1971)
Gary Beban (1967)
Steve Spurrier (1966)
John Huarte (1964)
Terry Baker (1963)
Roger Staubach (1963)
Paul Hornung (1956) - mainly known as a running back
Johnny Lujack (1947)
Les Horvath (1944)
Davey O'Brien (1938)

Only Hornung and Staubach are in the hall of fame although Hornung was elected based on his running skills.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Munson
Are you sure that wasn't Kyle Boller? During the draft everybody kept making a big deal about Boller throwing the ball through the goal posts from the 50 yard line on his knees. If Leftwich did this I think that everybody would have been making a big deal about this also. I do remember something about Leftwich hitting a trash can though. It just wasn't on his knees.

You may be right about him not kneeling, but I know I saw him throwing a ball 75-80 years and hitting the trash can. I was probably think of Boller's video when I said he was kneeling. Sorry.

[bmain77]

I'm sick of people complaining about Leftwich's mobility. Everyone keeps listening to these idiot draft dorks who get caught in 40 times and all that garbage. Hasn't any of you ever watched Leftwich play. We don't get a whole lot of his games televised here in Michigan, but the ones that I have seen I've seen a guy who knows how to get around a football field. He's no Vick, but he's also far from Scott Mitchell. He knows how to tuck it and run. With his history of broken legs and so on I wouldn't want to him to run a lot, but my point is he is far from some giant lumberjack back there with no mobility. Plus you cannot question his leadership abilities. I've said it before, but all you need to know about him is the footage of his being carried up to the line by his lineman.

As far as Palmer I think he has a couple things going for him. Even the Bungles have to get one of these qb's drafted right at some point. He does have a pretty solid team around him with a good d and a very solid line. But there is just something about him that screams bust. I base it on no solid piece of football evidence, but he has this aura that screams bust. It's not like I'm rooting against him, it's just my gut feeling.

The best thing that could happen to Vick is a mild knee injury that forces to focus on being more of a pocket passer. The guy is the most exciting player to watch since Barry Sanders, but I just don't think you can be that successfull of a quarterback playing like he does. He needs to model the way Steve Young played rather than a younger Randall Cunningham. Outside of the occasional draw play, roll out/bootleg, or sneak running should always be Vick's second option just out of concearn for his own career. If I was Atlanta I'd be focusing on getting all the lineman and wr's I could get my hands on to support Vick. With talented rb's like Dunn or Duckett he should never have to lead the team in rushing.

[Munson]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm sick of people complaining about Leftwich's mobility. Everyone keeps listening to these idiot draft dorks who get caught in 40 times and all that garbage. Hasn't any of you ever watched Leftwich play. We don't get a whole lot of his games televised here in Michigan, but the ones that I have seen I've seen a guy who knows how to get around a football field. He's no Vick, but he's also far from Scott Mitchell. He knows how to tuck it and run. With his history of broken legs and so on I wouldn't want to him to run a lot, but my point is he is far from some giant lumberjack back there with no mobility. Plus you cannot question his leadership abilities. I've said it before, but all you need to know about him is the footage of his being carried up to the line by his lineman.


Dude, Letwich is much closer to being Scott Mitchell than Vick. I think those idiot draft dorks have seen much more film on the guy than any of us. All you have to do is look at his rushing numbers. 37 rushes for -1 yard. That basically sums up his mobility.

Some people also think Leftwich's delivery is very slow. With the speed of the players in the NFL this could lead to him taking a beating.

[Moviefan1234]

If Leftwich can stay healthy he should be a pro bowl caliber player. Look at how successful Bledsoe is, a future hall of famer, and he's basically a tree standing in the pocket. But I emphasize staying healthy. Leftwich may be injury prone, I guess we'll see.

[uncle_el]

Originally posted by bmain77

The best thing that could happen to Vick is a mild knee injury that forces to focus on being more of a pocket passer. The guy is the most exciting player to watch since Barry Sanders, but I just don't think you can be that successfull of a quarterback playing like he does. He needs to model the way Steve Young played rather than a younger Randall Cunningham. Outside of the occasional draw play, roll out/bootleg, or sneak running should always be Vick's second option just out of concearn for his own career. If I was Atlanta I'd be focusing on getting all the lineman and wr's I could get my hands on to support Vick. With talented rb's like Dunn or Duckett he should never have to lead the team in rushing.

vick lead the team in rushing because the receiving corps was piss poor. when the two starting receivers are an aged veteran perhaps past his prime (shawn jeffereson), and a tall lanky one who drops the rock at least two times a game on crucial plays (brian finneran) running the ball on pass plays is just bound to happen. now that they have peerless price, hopefully that will open up more of the passing game for them.

and as of yesterday, griese officially signed with the dolphins.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by uncle_el
and as of yesterday, griese officially signed with the dolphins.

COOL!

One perrenial playoff contender just signed its death warrant.

Bye, bye, Dolphins.

[Moviefan1234]

I think Griese may find success in Miami. He's definately better than Fielder and Lucas so he's going to look good. I like the guy and hope he succeeds. Just not against my Bills. ;)

[Munson]

Originally posted by Grebdron
COOL!

One perrenial playoff contender just signed its death warrant.

Bye, bye, Dolphins.
They didn't need Griese to do that.

[Rated R]

at first I was rather excited that the Dolphins were going after Griese. Now, I'm skeptical. In the long run, he's going to cost them more as a backup than Jay Fiedler will as their starter. Instead of wasting money on Griese, they should have gone after a WR or a better Offensive Line. This could be the decision that ultimately costs Wanny his job, as much as I like the guy, he can make some idiotic moves. I just hope this doesn't backfire which I fear it will. Oh, and if the Dolphins don't make it to the big game, I hope they just don't even make the playoffs, no point.

[horrorfreak13]

Griese should do well with the Dolphins and we will se if the Dolphins can put 2 good halfs together which means their season will go downhill once they meet my Redskins on Week 12, Sunday night November 23.

[MarkItZero]

I read that Greise's contract is set to pay him $6 Million next season. What the fuck?????

So obviously, he will either be the starter next year, or he will be cut. There is no way they would pay a backup that kinda money.

I guess he must be pretty confident that he will win the job from Fielder.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MarkItZero


I guess he must be pretty confident that he will win the job from Fielder.

It won't take him long. Fielder has never impressed me. I don't think the Denver system was right for Griese. He has the tools to be as good as his father and we may just see that.

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by bmain77
I can't see Griese fitting into Spurriers system. Griese needs to play in a more balanced offense allowing him to do some play action passing like he had a Michigan and during his better years in Denver.

I'm excited as hell to see him in Miami. I think he'll be more comfortable closer to home. Miami's offense should fit his talents perfectly with their strong running game. My only worry is that pressure of living up to his dads legend in Miami will be just as stressful as taking over for John Elway was. Of course I'm assuming at some point he's going to send Fiedler back to the bench where he belongs.

I'm a huge Michigan slappy so of course I'm a huge fan of Griese, so my comments are a bit tainted maize and blue. But that aside I still think he's a very solid starting qb in the NFL. He's not an all world talent who is going to win many games on his own, but if in a solid system he doesn't make a lot of mental mistakes and lose games for you either. I think Denver may have made a mistake with him. Nearly every year in Denver he's had to deal with serious injuries to key skilled players and never had his full complement of weapons for any length of time. Plus he probably isn't the ideal qb for the west coast offense.

Griese's going to finish his career as a back up QB. If he couldn't succeed in Denver, with good QB coaches, and a REALLY good play action game, then he won't succeed anywhere. he's off to be Jay Fiedler's backup, and I doubt he'll ever find a starting job again.

Oh, and for all those that don't get it yet. Rex Grossman is probably the WORST QB to ever enter the NFL. Damn he sucks. Need proof? Watch the Miami game. He was running scared the whole game and short-arming every throw. What a wasted pick for Chicago. I hope things go well for him, because I never wish anything bad on anyone, but he just doesn't have what it takes, mentally or physically.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Nachokoolaid
Oh, and for all those that don't get it yet. Rex Grossman is probably the WORST QB to ever enter the NFL. Damn he sucks. Need proof? Watch the Miami game. He was running scared the whole game and short-arming every throw. What a wasted pick for Chicago. I hope things go well for him, because I never wish anything bad on anyone, but he just doesn't have what it takes, mentally or physically.

I disagree. He has tons of raw talent and will end up being a very good NFL quarterback. I'll even go as far as saying he has Hall-Of-Fame potential. This past year Florida had a weak team compared to previous years while Miami was the best team in college football. (My opinion may be slightly biased since I'm a Cane fan ;)) I think any QB in his position would be struggling with throws when the Canes were getting through the line so quickly. He'll be an excellent NFL QB.

[Munson]

I don't know if I would say Grossman is the worst QB to enter the NFL, but I don't think he'll be very good. I think he was a product of Spurriers offense more than anything.

Moviefan - How can you make a comment like "I'll even go as far as saying he has Hall-Of-Fame potential." when he hasn't even stepped on the field in the NFL.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Munson
Moviefan - How can you make a comment like "I'll even go as far as saying he has Hall-Of-Fame potential." when he hasn't even stepped on the field in the NFL.

I'm predicting with raw talent and potential alone. We all know I could be wrong, look what has happened to the raw talent and potential of Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch. I was just so enoumously impressed with Grossman his sophmore year I just have to believe he'll return to that form in the NFL.

[Rated R]

Well, I just read it on CBS Sportsline that the Jacksonville Jaguars have signed bust Wide out J.J. Stokes to a one year deal. In ten seasons with the 49ers he never once had a 1000 yard season, not once in ten years! Now that's a sad statistic for a guy who was selected 10th overall. I remember when both he and Owens were relatively new in the 49er system and the commentators were debating over who would be more successful in the NFL, well obviously T.O. took that one. I really don't expect this to help the Jags too much.

[uncle_el]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
I read that Greise's contract is set to pay him $6 Million next season. What the fuck?????

So obviously, he will either be the starter next year, or he will be cut. There is no way they would pay a backup that kinda money.

I guess he must be pretty confident that he will win the job from Fielder.


from Len Pasquarelli on espn.com to make it short, he'll get 6 million next season if he's still on the roster... so, if he doesn't play this season, it's 1 season and done... if he plays and supplants fielder, he'll probably be the starter with fiedler getting cut

two-year contract that Brian Griese officially signed Monday will force the Miami Dolphins to make a decision on his future, and perhaps on the future of the quarterback position in general, a little more than two months after the end of the 2003 season.

According to salary documents obtained by ESPN.com, Griese is due a roster bonus of $5.935 million on the first day of the 2004 league year, typically March 1. His salary cap charge for 2004 is $6.97 million, because of the roster bonus, too prohibitive for Miami to retain both Griese and incumbent starter Jay Fiedler under their current structures.

As previously reported, and confirmed by the documents, Griese received a $1 million signing bonus and a base salary of $530,000 for 2003. His cap charge for this season is a palatable $1.03 million. Griese's scheduled base salary for 2004 is $535,000.

But given the unwieldy roster bonus, and exorbitant cap charge it would create, Miami will be forced to retain Griese as the starter, restructure the contract to reduce the salary cap impact, or release him and allow him to become an unrestricted free agent.

The five-year veteran can also earn incentives in 2003 that would be charged to Miami's 2004 salary cap.

Essentially the large roster bonus and the timing of its due date is a mechanism designed to force the club into a decision on Griese at about the time free agency begins. Should the Dolphins release Griese, there likely would be considerable interest in him, since he would be able to sign early and participate in a team's entire offseason program.

To retain Griese for a second season, the Dolphins almost certainly would have to assure him of the No. 1 spot on the depth chart, since the former Denver Broncos starter is not apt to want to continue in a backup role.

The quarterback situation in Miami also is compounded by the structure of Fiedler's deal with the club. While his cap charge for 2003 is just $1.99 million, it could escalate to as high as $5.577 million in 2004, since his base salary skyrockets to $3.7 million. Fiedler is also due an option bonus of $2 million, which triggers the 2006 segment of his contract, by April 15.

i think griese's a good qb- he leaves denver with a winning record, and even though the last two seasons weren't as good as his pro bowl year... his overall numbers aren't horrible- hell, they're better than quite a few qb's who hold the #1 slot right now (redman in baltimore, ramsey in wash, hassleback, stewart, plummer...)

but of course, it remains to be seen... i think he'll end up taking over for fiedler midway through the season

[uncle_el]

Originally posted by Rated R
Well, I just read it on CBS Sportsline that the Jacksonville Jaguars have signed bust Wide out J.J. Stokes to a one year deal. In ten seasons with the 49ers he never once had a 1000 yard season, not once in ten years! Now that's a sad statistic for a guy who was selected 10th overall. I remember when both he and Owens were relatively new in the 49er system and the commentators were debating over who would be more successful in the NFL, well obviously T.O. took that one. I really don't expect this to help the Jags too much.

hey, you never know, stokes could break out of that funk he's been in... though i seriously doubt it.

the jags don't really have a choice though... the receivers they currently have on the roster don't have the greatest numbers (somehow, stokes numbers are a bit better than theirs), and there aren't too many quality receivers out there to challenge at for the number 2 receiver.

i think he's just one of those players who has the physical attributes that the scouts look for at combines, but doesn't have the heart and the work ethic. i mean, you were on the same team as the greatest wr (and arguably best player, jerry rice if you ain't know) and you couldn't step your game up!!! damn!

[Rated R]

Oronde Gadsden and his belief that he is in high demand has fallen back to earth. He has signed back on with the Dolphins for one season at the veteran's minimum of just over $500,000. He is a great receiver, but he is an injury risk afer he missed 10 games last season. Hopefully his ego won't get in the way and he'll have a productive season.


P.S. I read this on CBS Sportsline

[Haddonfield]

What is this shite about the Chicago Bears and there new name? This is an ALL TIME low in sports...I expect this kind of thing in the NBA, certainly not football....what a joke...what a disgrace...

[Rated R]

I haven't heard anything about it, and there is nothing about it on their team page...where did you hear this?

[Haddonfield]

Its Bears Football presented by Bank One.

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/0624/1572282.html


what a joke....

[bmain77]

One reason among many I have always hated Nascar is the way they whore themselves out to their sponsors. What the fuck does gatorade or whoever have to do with Jeff Gordon winning a race. Its a fucking joke.

Now da Bears of all teams go out and make a move like this. I'd expect this from the Bengals or something, but an old school hard nosed team like da Bears. What is the world coming too. I swear to god the first time I hear an anouncer say It's the Detroit Lions vs The Chicago Bears presented by Bank ONe I;m gonna drop kick my tv into the next room. Is there going to be a Bank One logo on the back of their helmet on on a patch on there jersey like a freakin NFL Europe team.

I see it now, "That Kordell Stewart interception was brought to you by Bank One."

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by bmain77
I see it now, "That Kordell Stewart interception was brought to you by Bank One."

That should be good for about 25-30 plugs for Bank One per season.

I'm surprised Al Davis didn't think of this first. Glad it was da Bears and not my Raiders that sold their soul.

[MarkItZero]

Its not as bad as you think. The reason this type of partnership was formed is because the Bears refused to sell the naming rights to the new stadium (which is happening all over proffesional sports). Instead the team will only allow Bank One to have priority advertising space.

It is a way for the team to raise extra money, just as so many other teams do, but without having to change the name of their stadium.

[Moviefan1234]

Yet another Cowboy gets himself in trouble - http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0630/1574579.html

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Its not as bad as you think. The reason this type of partnership was formed is because the Bears refused to sell the naming rights to the new stadium (which is happening all over proffesional sports). Instead the team will only allow Bank One to have priority advertising space.

It is a way for the team to raise extra money, just as so many other teams do, but without having to change the name of their stadium.

I hear ya that its obviously all about $$$ but to not change the stadium but there NAME is very odd. Whats next?

[uncle_el]

Originally posted by Rated R
Oronde Gadsden and his belief that he is in high demand has fallen back to earth. He has signed back on with the Dolphins for one season at the veteran's minimum of just over $500,000. He is a great receiver, but he is an injury risk afer he missed 10 games last season. Hopefully his ego won't get in the way and he'll have a productive season.




great receiver?!?!?! jerry rice, tim brown, art monk, steve largent, fred biletnikoff are/were great receivers. oronde is a good receiver at best.

but yes, i agree that he'll have a productive season if his ego doesn't get in the way. his wife is about to or just had a baby, so i'm sure he'll be playing for his son, as well as his bruised ego. in a way, it could be the stimulus for him to have a solid season.

[Gametime]

you guys are talking about the wrong teams . Start talkin about the team that has done the most to improve themselves and are the team to look out for.. The Buffalo Bills. screw the dolphins we beet them twice wit out a defense just think how bad the dolphins will get beat now that the bills have a defense. A+ on the offseason for my bills

[Rated R]

Don't be too over-confident about your Bills. I agree that they have a solid team, but they won't make playoffs, they'll come in third in the east if they're lucky. Too strong of a division, and I actually think the Pats will be the worst. I want my Dolphins to take it, but I am worried about the pesky Jets, no matter how easy it seems to write them off early, they stick around and in the end fuck everyone over...Dolphins, I still have the love. Fuck the Bills, I hope they go 0-16, fuck the Jets, if it were possible, I'd want them both to lose every single game...fuck em all. Go fish.


Note: twas nothing more than a rant near the end. I know I could have handled the situation in a more intelligent and calm matter, but I had more fun this way ;)

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Rated R
Fuck the Bills, I hope they go 0-16

Moviefan1234 coughs

There's more Bills fans on these boards than you realize. Including me. ;)

I may be slightly biased, but I expect them to nail a wildcard and watch the Fish blow it in December once again. As for who takes the AFC East crown, it's a toss up between the Jets and Pats. But, as we know you never know who will be the darkhorse. Perhaps the Bills? ;)

PS: I hope Lucas starts against the Bills again.

PPS: Squish the Fish!

[Rated R]

They released Lucas and signed Griese...just so you know

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Rated R
They released Lucas and signed Griese...just so you know

That's right, forgot all about that. I don't think Fielder will hang on to the starting job. He has never impressed me a whole lot, but he does seem to play his best ball in the 4th quarter.

[S. PLISSKEN]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
I hear ya that its obviously all about $$$ but to not change the stadium but there NAME is very odd. Whats next?

It is only a matter of time before they sell naming rights for my beloved Lambeau Field. :(

[Munson]

The first training camp opens one week from today. That being Green Bay. Does anyone plan on attending any training camps? I'll be at the Ravens camp.

[S. PLISSKEN]

Originally posted by Munson
The first training camp opens one week from today. That being Green Bay. Does anyone plan on attending any training camps? I'll be at the Ravens camp.

I can't wait to see my boys, the Packers, back at it again. The NFC North will be ours again, oh yes it will. :D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by S. PLISSKEN
I can't wait to see my boys, the Packers, back at it again. The NFC North will be ours again, oh yes it will. :D

That's unless the Bears play like they did a couple years ago otherwise the Packers will win the division because there is no other competition in there.

With the additions my Redskins made they have a shot at the Wild Card and maybe the division. Patrick Ramsey only a young guy in his second year with the team.

[S. PLISSKEN]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
That's unless the Bears play like they did a couple years ago otherwise the Packers will win the division because there is no other competition in there.

Trust me, the Bears have too little talent to compete for anything but 3rd place. Lost their other good linebacker, Rosevelt Colvin, and still have no talent on offense other pieces of the o-line. Sorry but Kordell will not cut it. I am more concerned with the Vikings than I am with the Bears.

[Paterfamilias]

Originally posted by Munson
The first training camp opens one week from today. That being Green Bay. Does anyone plan on attending any training camps? I'll be at the Ravens camp.

You lucky bastard!!! I'm not going but I'll be watching the highlights every night.

Go Ravens!! We could have a good season this year.

[Munson]

If the Ravens get good QB play this year, I don't think there's any doubt this will be a playoff team. The offense has the potential to be the best the Ravens have had under Billick. I expect the defense to be very good also. They should be in the top 10.

[bmain77]

For those of you that don't know I have put together an all schmoe fantasy football league over on Yahoo. We have 3 spots left to fill. Check out the fantasy football thread thats going or private message me with your email address and I'll get the official invite to the league with all the needed info from yahoo out to you.

[Shatter]

Any Steeler fans here? We're less than a month away from the Preseason opener, but the game I'm really waiting for is their 1,000th game against St.Louis.
Sunday, Oct. 26 ST. LOUIS 1:00 p.m. - FOX

[Rated R]

It's been a while since this thread has been updated, but I have some news.


Eric Crouch has quit football for the second time in 11 months. Crouch was picked up on waivers by the Green Bay Packers, but after the signing of Akili Smith, Mike Sherman wanted to convert Crouch to WR just as St. Louis tried. Anyway, Crouch told the team that he was leaving for personal reasons. These reasons being he's a QB, and that's the only position he'll play.


I find this disappointing, I wanted to see Crouch play in the NFL, but I guess it'll never happen as he has said that he's probably done with football for good. He won the heisman for god sakes, he must be good enough to play QB!

[bmain77]

He won the Heisman as a option qb not as a qb. There's a world of difference there. If he truly wanted to prove he can play qb he should swallow his damn pride and go play in the CFL or NFL Europe and prove he's a QB.

He is too talented of a footplayer to not be playing at all. He could make a darn good wr or safety in the NFL too. Again he just needs to swallow his pride and realize the way they play football in Nebraska is not how it's done in the NFL.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
He won the Heisman as a option qb not as a qb. There's a world of difference there. If he truly wanted to prove he can play qb he should swallow his damn pride and go play in the CFL or NFL Europe and prove he's a QB.

He is too talented of a footplayer to not be playing at all. He could make a darn good wr or safety in the NFL too. Again he just needs to swallow his pride and realize the way they play football in Nebraska is not how it's done in the NFL.

CFL is a good place for QBs to regain their career or try and make it in the NFL again. Jeff Garcia, Doug Flutie, and Warren Moon just to name a few.

[S. PLISSKEN]

This is the same guy who almost quit in 1999 at Nebraska. The Packers were willing to give him a shot as a PR so he could stay on the roster and possibly develop into a NFL QB. They were even talking about putting him on their Practice Squad as a QB. I think the guy is just a quitter and a baby if he can't get his way. The bottom line is he was a very good college athlete who was in the perfect system for his abilities. That is all he'll ever be.

[Grebdron]

Less than two weeks before the first pre-season game.

I can't fucking wait. Man, this is the worst time of year for sports.

Come on FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!

[Munson]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Less than two weeks before the first pre-season game.


9 more days.

[Indiana Sev]

Every night on sportsnet there is a story about an NFL'er collapsing under the intense heat during practice.

Last year a player dropped dead (Stringer) from it and now already two or three players have fainted.

Why don't they just travel to a cooler state for training camp or hold the pratices later in the day?

You know, take care of their players, save some lives?

[Rated R]

Only 35 more days until the regular season starts! HUZZAH!


http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/wav.gif

[Rated R]

FROM SPORTSLINE.COM


NEW ORLEANS -- Defensive tackle Johnathan Sullivan, the New Orleans Saints' first-round draft choice, has reached a seven-year contract agreement with the team..


His agent, Len Rowe, said Sullivan would report for his first practice Thursday after signing the contract.

The contract includes an $11.4 million signing bonus, Rowe said. He declined to say how much the total deal is worth.

"It's a sizable increase over the number six slot last year in terms of signing bonus," Rowe said.

Sullivan is a 6-3, 313-pound defensive tackle who played at Georgia. He will compete with veterans Martin Chase and Grady Jackson for the starting nose tackle position.

In the April draft, the Saints traded the 17th and 18th overall picks to Arizona to choose Sullivan as the sixth pick overall.




I think this might be a huge step for the Saints who have a very good team as it is. I never hear any talk about the Saints in pre-season and usually forget about them, but they have been impressive the past few years. I was ecstatic the year they won the NFC West over the St. Louis Lambs.

[Nachokoolaid]

The Packers may be the team to beat in the NFC, if their defense can hold teams, because they definitely have the offense. Favre, one of the best young receiving corps in the league, Ahman Green in the backfield. It's a good time for Packers fans. I saw a lot of talk about the Bills, but this isn't their year I think. They'll be improved, but why draft a RB when you have one of the best (and young) in Henry?
NFC- Packers, Bucs
AFC- Dolphins, maybe Jets as an underdog

Those are my early season pics. Don't count out the Rams either. I think they could possibly pull something together like they did a few years ago. And of course the Titans are always smashmouth tough. Cheers.

[Rated R]

The Browns QB controversy continues:

CBS SPORTSLINE HAS THE STORY (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6513125)


It looks like Tim Couch will initially win the starter's job, but how long will that last? So far, Couch has been inconsistent in the NFL while Holcomb in relief of Couch has been impressive, especially in the playoffs last season. Personally I think this pressure might light a fire under Couch and he'll begin to produce as everyone expected he would. It also wouldn't surprise me if the Browns chose to move one of the QB's before the end of season for another WR.

[PapaJupe2k]

I don't think Tim Couch will ever be anything that special in the NFL. He was kind of a product of Hal Mumme's pass happy system at Kentucky. He'll probably always have a job, but I wouldn't expect pro bowl numbers from him.

Well the preseason is underway, another month til the real thing. I prefer college ball as opposed to the NFL, but I'm still a big fan, I just don't go as nuts about it.

GO BEARS!

[Rated R]

Pre-Season Power Rankings available at http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6518790



1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. St. Louis Rams
4. Buffalo Bills
5. Tennessee Titans
6. Atlanta Falcons
7. New Orleans Saints
8. Oakland Raiders
9. Green Bay Packers
10. Indianapolis Colts
11. New York Jets
12. San Francisco 49ers
13. Miami Dolphins :(
14. New York Giants
15. Denver Broncos
16. Kansas City Chiefs
17. Pittsburgh Steelers
18. New England Patriots
19. Minnesota Viqueens
20. Baltimore Ravens
21. Seattle Seahawks
22. Cleveland Browns
23. Washington Redskins
24. Cincinnati Bengals
25. Jacksonville Jaguars
26. Carolina Panthers
27. San Diego Chargers
28. Dallas Cowboys
29. Chicago Bears
30. Houston Texans
31. Detroit Lions
32. Arizona Cardinals


Ok, I have never agreed with Pete Prisco...and I find myself again in disagreement. While his list is safe, it is also a little outlandish. I really don't think Buffalo improved enough to be the best team in the AFC. I certainly don't think the Titans are as good as he says either. But this is one man's prediction...and he must know something, because who has the column here? But I, not because I am a fan , would have placed the Dolphins at 9th. I would have had the Falcons higher, and the Saints lower. And I already said what I thought about the Bills and Titans. What do you guys think?

[Grebdron]

I don't think I'd place the Rams, Bills Titans or Falcons that high. And he says the Raiders have dropped off that steeply? I don't think so.

Unfortunately for you, I think he might be dead on on the Dolphins. Until they prove it on the field, they will always be a very good 9 and 7, or 10 and 6 team that fades every December. I don't think Wanstedt is the answer. Plus, they play in a very tough division.

[PapaJupe2k]

The Bears the 29th best team in the league, come on now! They probably aren't going to win the Super Bowl, but I don't think they are THAT bad.

They've got some playmakers on defense (Urlacher, Brown) and as a unit they should keep them in most games. If the offensive line pulls their heads out of their collective asses and opens up some decent holes for the A-Train, they should at the least be competitive.

[Rated R]

I agree Papa, I think that the Bears are going to surprise some people even though they may not make the post-season. They are in a tough division but they have the talent to piss some contenders off. I imagine that they'll finish 8-8 or 7-9, but far from 29th in the league.

[S. PLISSKEN]

Originally posted by Rated R
They are in a tough division but they have the talent to piss some contenders off. I imagine that they'll finish 8-8 or 7-9, but far from 29th in the league.

Huh? The Bears? Talent? Please explain where all this talent is. Urlacher, Booker, a couple 0-lineman, and maybe Brown. Who else? I think they are listed right where they belong. :p

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Rated R
I agree Papa, I think that the Bears are going to surprise some people even though they may not make the post-season. They are in a tough division but they have the talent to piss some contenders off. I imagine that they'll finish 8-8 or 7-9, but far from 29th in the league.

I think they are way better than 29th. How can you rank the Bengals, and Cowboys, and the Panthers ahead of them. Plus my Redskins are 23rd oh well I think they are going 11-5 this season and maybe even better if Patrick Ramsey ends up a great QB this year.

[Rated R]

Here is Washington's schedule...I figured I'd post it, because I am bewildered as to how you expect them to win 11 games! They have a very difficult schedule. Personally I think I am generous by predicting 5 wins for the Skins. They may, just may have some good players on offense, but their defense is still nothing special. Jessie Armstead, Bruce Smith and Champ Bailey are well past their prime and Fred Smoot is only half the time worth his salary. LaVar Arrington and Jeremiah Trotter are the only ones there that will be anywhere near productive. Regan Upshaw is in a make or break season too if you ask me, he's jumped around and the Skins aren't the first time to take a risk with him, but with Bruce Smith as the alternative at DE they're pretty much stuck. Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the offense has only been secondary players up until now...good luck



Sep 4 N.Y. Jets
Sep 14 @Atlanta
Sep 21 N.Y. Giants
Sep 28 New England
Oct 5 @Philadelphia
Oct 12 Tampa Bay
Oct 19 @Buffalo
Week 8 BYE
Nov 2 @Dallas
Nov 9 Seattle
Nov 16 @Carolina
Nov 23 @Miami
Nov 30 New Orleans
Dec 7 @N.Y. Giants
Dec 14 Dallas
Dec 21 @Chicago
Dec 27 Philadelphia

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Rated R
Here is Washington's schedule...I figured I'd post it, because I am bewildered as to how you expect them to win 11 games! They have a very difficult schedule. Personally I think I am generous by predicting 5 wins for the Skins. They may, just may have some good players on offense, but their defense is still nothing special. Jessie Armstead, Bruce Smith and Champ Bailey are well past their prime and Fred Smoot is only half the time worth his salary. LaVar Arrington and Jeremiah Trotter are the only ones there that will be anywhere near productive. Regan Upshaw is in a make or break season too if you ask me, he's jumped around and the Skins aren't the first time to take a risk with him, but with Bruce Smith as the alternative at DE they're pretty much stuck. Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the offense has only been secondary players up until now...good luck



Sep 4 N.Y. Jets
Sep 14 @Atlanta
Sep 21 N.Y. Giants
Sep 28 New England
Oct 5 @Philadelphia
Oct 12 Tampa Bay
Oct 19 @Buffalo
Week 8 BYE
Nov 2 @Dallas
Nov 9 Seattle
Nov 16 @Carolina
Nov 23 @Miami
Nov 30 New Orleans
Dec 7 @N.Y. Giants
Dec 14 Dallas
Dec 21 @Chicago
Dec 27 Philadelphia

Games I see them winning for sure
Jets
Giants (both times)
Buffalo
Dalllas (Both times)
Seattle
Carolina
New Orleans
Chicago

I see the rest of them being tough unless New England continues to prove that they are a 1 hit wonder but if Patrick Ramsey plays liek he did when they beat Tennesee they should win 10 or 11 games at least but if he busts which I don't think he will it will be a long season.

[S. PLISSKEN]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Games I see them winning for sure
Jets
Giants (both times)
Buffalo
Dalllas (Both times)
Seattle
Carolina
New Orleans
Chicago

I see the rest of them being tough unless New England continues to prove that they are a 1 hit wonder but if Patrick Ramsey plays liek he did when they beat Tennesee they should win 10 or 11 games at least but if he busts which I don't think he will it will be a long season.

IMO - There is no way the Skins will beat NYG twice or New Orleans. Patrick Ramsey is still a big question mark.

[Rated R]

I have to agree. Basically because The Giants are simply better all around. Kerry Collins regardless of what anyone says is a solid QB, and one of the best in the NFC. He is proven, where Ramsey is young and inexperienced on the whole. They may take one of the two against NYG, but not both. New Orleans also is a much better team than people give them credit. Aaron Brooks is fantastic, probably better than Collins(former Saint). Deuce McCallister is a dynamic RB, and has been a suitable replacement for Ricky Williams. I think you're kidding yourself and I'm sorry to say that the best Washington will do is 8-8 and that is being far too generous for words.


Besides, the only player you keep chanting is Ramsey. What if he struggles? Even if he doesn't, one player cannot win in the NFL on a poor team. Look at Corey Dillon in Cincy. It just doesn't work.

[The Delfonics]

Originally posted by Grebdron
I don't think I'd place the Rams, Bills Titans or Falcons that high. And he says the Raiders have dropped off that steeply? I don't think so.

Unfortunately for you, I think he might be dead on on the Dolphins. Until they prove it on the field, they will always be a very good 9 and 7, or 10 and 6 team that fades every December. I don't think Wanstedt is the answer. Plus, they play in a very tough division.

I think the Bills are super bowl calibre this year. Last year the offense was amazing its just that the Defense and Offensive line were a tad shakey. This year they have improved immensly on the rough edges. Should be a fun year.

[S. PLISSKEN]

Originally posted by The Delfonics
I think the Bills are super bowl calibre this year. Last year the offense was amazing its just that the Defense and Offensive line were a tad shakey. This year they have improved immensly on the rough edges. Should be a fun year.

Who is on the d-line besides Sam Adams? I think you are right. The Bills offense is down right scary! Almost as scary as my Packers. :D The addition of Spikes will help greatly and their corners are stellar.

[Rated R]

As much as I hate to admit it, the Bills are a scary team. The D-Line is still somewhat weak, but the young guns might step up. If that happens, they will be a playoff team...and it really hurts me to say that. Because if the Bills make it to the postseason...my Dolphins have little chance at all. But who knows what the regular season holds. Takeo Spikes might break something, or Bledsoe might go down. Then again my whole team could get salmonella...ouch. Back on track, the Bills are gonna be better than they have been in many years.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Rated R
Besides, the only player you keep chanting is Ramsey. What if he struggles? Even if he doesn't, one player cannot win in the NFL on a poor team. Look at Corey Dillon in Cincy. It just doesn't work.

Look at the Rams they struggled when Warner was QB last year then he got injured and Bulger went and put up better nunbers and I think he went undefeated that season he might have lost one but I don't remember.

Pittsburgh when Kordel Stewart was playing badly the Steelers were losing and when he was he was winning.

The fact is you need a good QB to win and if Ramsey stuggles I don't know if Rob Johnson will.

[Rated R]

The fact of the matter is, Washington will not make the post-season or have a plus .500 record, I'd bet money on it. They might have talent, but a lot of it is old and past prime or young and not even close to it. It's not the best combination. I do applaud you however for your positivity and sticking by your team. At least you're not a Lions fan declaring a Superbowl win, :D

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Rated R
At least you're not a Lions fan declaring a Superbowl win, :D Give it time Rated R, just wait for bmain's next post in this thread. :D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Rated R
The fact of the matter is, Washington will not make the post-season or have a plus .500 record, I'd bet money on it. They might have talent, but a lot of it is old and past prime or young and not even close to it. It's not the best combination. I do applaud you however for your positivity and sticking by your team. At least you're not a Lions fan declaring a Superbowl win, :D

If they reach the superbowl which at this point would be a huge if would be amazing but I'm not counting on it for a few years at least. I do think the Redskins have a good shot at the Wild Card, but I don't think they will get the division title because the Eagles are too good of a team even though they did lose Brian Mitchell(former Redskin) and Hugh Douglas

I've stood by my team even when they did horrible after they won Super bowl 26 over the Bills and I'm not changing.

[Haddonfield]

So I went to my first football game in EONS last night...Pats vs Giants.

first off I have to rant.....where does it say that its a good thing to cram 60 thousand people into a stadium and have 55 thousand of them get so shite faced that they have no problem pushing you so they can get by you to get another freakin 7 dollar beer? I was down right pissed off at the fact that this was no football game...this was a god damn frat party where Tom Brady and Jermey Shocky happened to attend.

am I naive? is this how it always is? always has been?

Its been about 10 years since ive been to a game and that was in Philly no less.

At any rate...I will end the rant with this....I could have paid two morgages with the amount of bottles and cans that were PILED UP right outside the stadium.

That said....Gillette Stadium is a damn nice place. I won the tix at work and ended up being 22 rows from the field...not to bad. We had the added bonus of some moron running on to the field, flipping off the Giants return team (to a huge roar from the faithful) ony to get his ass beat by security...

Tema are going to be hard pressed trying to score on this D. The Pats loaded up with guys and they owned the Giants all night. Granted its the 2nd and 3rd stringers for half the game but Im getting a nice vibe from this crew.

:cool:

[PapaJupe2k]

That sort of sounds like the atmosphere of a college game as opposed to a pro game. I dont really know what the atmosphere of an average pro game is like. I've got a team two hours away from me... but well it's the Vikings :rolleyes: . I'm not going to a shitty indoor stadium to watch a team that I don't care about.

Ahhhh yes, the seven dollar beer, what a deal.:D We used to go to Iowa games and just smuggle our own booze into Kinnick Stadium, before security became so tight. Last home game of the year it's usually pretty cold, didn't used to be a problem to just smuggle it in underneath your big coat... until some morons a few years ago started throwing whiskey bottles at the Penn St. bench.:rolleyes: Ruin a good time for everybody why dont you.:D

[bmain77]

THE LIONS BEAT THE STEELERS...THE LIONS BEAT THE STEELERS...THE LIONS BEAT THE STEELERS...

THE LIONS WILL WIN THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are you happy Papajupe?:D

Actually in my dream land when the Super Bowl comes to Detroit in 2005 or 06 (can't remember which) Detroit will be in the Super Bowl. Thats actually a pretty decent and reasonable prediction.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by bmain77
THE LIONS WILL WIN THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are you happy Papajupe?:D Yes... yes I am. :D

Funny story, I guy at the golf course yesterday had tickets to the Vikings game, and couldn't GIVE them away. Seriously no one wanted them.

[TheDeadWalk]

Onterrio Smith - Rookie from Minnesota.

I hear people bragging up big things in his future, that could take way by mid-season.

Could he be this year's Clinton Portis?

What do you guys think?

[PapaJupe2k]

Onterrio Smith is a rookie out of Oregon. I'm sure he'll get a shot until Bennett gets healthy. As for him being this year's Clinton Portis, I don't know about that. The Vikings never seem very commited to the run and their O-line isn't as good as Denver's.

[bmain77]

I desperately wanted Detroit to draft O. Smith and reunite him with Joey Harrington. He looked great in the handful of Oregon games I've been able to watch the past couple of seasons. He would have been drafted much higher if it wasn't for some questions about what kind of person he is. I think he's going to be a good back, but if he is the thug a lot of teams thought he may be it might become ugly when Michael Bennet returns.

[PapaJupe2k]

Micheal Vick is out a minimum of six weeks with a leg injury. That sucks.:mad: I'm not a Falcons fan, but I love watching this guy play.

[Rated R]

At least he wasn't your QB in the fantasy league...fuck, this blows...guess I'll have to use Jay Fiedler instead

[bmain77]

Hey Rated R...

I bet TOmmy Maddox looks good to you right now :D

Just a suggestion you might want to keep in mind. I think I might even make you an offer just in case.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Rated R
At least he wasn't your QB in the fantasy league...fuck, this blows...guess I'll have to use Jay Fiedler instead

Ouch.;)

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Rated R
At least he wasn't your QB in the fantasy league...fuck, this blows...guess I'll have to use Jay Fiedler instead That's the downside to having the draft so early. You never know what is going to happen in the pre-season. At least it's not like a Trent Green injury from a few years ago, where he will miss the whole season.

Let's face it, even if you knew that he would be out the first month of the season, you would still take him in a heartbeat.

[Rated R]

He'll be back eventually and I don't want anyone snatching him up off waivers so I'll keep him. Until then I will use Maddox and Fiedler from week to week.


In a week or so, I will be putting up my predictions for the year...just in time for the season to begin

[pod2010]

You pick one team from the NFL in this 20 team league. You get all the players from that team at your disposal, but you have to pick your defensive players with regard. When everyone gets their team, everyone can choose 2 players from the remaining 21 nfl teams for their roster, BUT you cannot drop those players during the year. I think It will be fun and i hope you join us.

League ID#: 438416
Password: nfl

Teams Taken: MIAMI, PHILLY, KC, NO, GB, RAMS, RAIDERS

Draft Type: self Draft Status: Predraft Start Scoring in Week: Week 1 (Sept 2-8) Maximum Number of Teams: 20 Maximum Moves: 2 Maximum Trades: 0 Scoring Type: Head-to-Head League Waiver Time: 2 Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules Last Trade Date: November 14 Trade Reject Time: 2 days Playoffs: Week 15, 16 and 17 (8 teams) Bye Points: Yes Fractional Points: No Negative Points: Yes Starting Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, DL, DL, DL, DL, DB, DB, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench, Bench Statistical Categories (Offense): Passing Yards (25 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Yards (20 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2 Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Statistical Categories (Kickers): Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-2
9 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Statistical Categories (Defense Teams): 0 Pts Allowed (10)
1-6 Pts Allowed (7)
7-13 Pts Allowed (4)
14-20 Pts Allowed (1)
21-27 Pts Allowed (0)
28-34 Pts Allowed (-1)
35+ Pts Allowed (-4)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Statistical Categories (Defense Players): Tackle Solo (0.5)
Tackle Assist (0.5)
Sack (3)
Interception (2)
Fumble Force (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Pass Defended (0.5)
Block Kick (2)

[PapaJupe2k]

Chad Pennington is out indefinately now with an injury. That spells trouble for the Disco Divas.

[bmain77]

Hmmm.... I wonder how good Kelly Holcombe might look to Morgs and Greb right now?.....

I need to fight the urge to quit tinkering with my team as its actually pretty solid from top to bottom.

Also, I just want to put Papajupe on notice now that if the Lions team I saw last night plays in the regular season like that, I might be bumping up my 2006 Super Bowl prediction some. Man oh man why did they have to pass on Portis last year and O. Smith this year.:mad:

Serioulsy the lions could be very dangerous this year if James Stewart ups his usually solid performance at all or if Shawn Bryson has some sort of break out year..

[PapaJupe2k]

Well you never know I guess. The Bears and Vikings will struggle, Green Bay isn't that strong. Maybe the Lions will surprise some folks this year.

I've always thought James Stewart was way underrated, I had him on my fantasy team last year, and he produced well when in the lineup.

[Morgana]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Maybe the Lions will surprise some folks this year.


You bet your sweet ass the Lions will surprise this year...now that Chad Pennington is useless, I have picked up Joey Harrington who I should've never dumped in the first place. He's our ACE! I expect sheer greatness from Joey Harrington this season.








I almost succeded in saying that with a straight face. :D

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Morgana
You bet your sweet ass the Lions will surprise this year...now that Chad Pennington is useless, I have picked up Joey Harrington who I should've never dumped in the first place. He's our ACE! I expect sheer greatness from Joey Harrington this season.

:eek:

Morgana, you totally dominate me in NFL football knowledge!!

I don't know squat about the game. :(

Color me impressed. :)

[Haddonfield]

Sorry guys and gals but.....


*****Its All About The New England Patriots*****


:)

Enjoy...see ya in the Super Bowl.

:D

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Morgana
I expect sheer greatness from Joey Harrington this season.

One thing comes to mind....

:D






Im only kidding...........

Heres to Chad!:cool:

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
:eek:

Morgana, you totally dominate me in NFL football knowledge!!

I don't know squat about the game. :(

Color me impressed. :) Yeah, but you're Canadian so we'll let you slide.:p I don't know what's going on in the CFL either. Or that silly game you schmoes refer to as hockey :confused: :D

Don't ever doubt Morgana again Sev, hehehehehe.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
I don't know what's going on in the CFL either.

Our Montreal Alouettes are reigning champs! :D

Oops, sorry. This belongs in the CFL thread.

















There is no CFL thread. :(

[Haddonfield]

CFL?

Isnt that Vince's mistake?

:)



"Flutie is too small"

:)

[Munson]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Our Montreal Alouettes are reigning champs! :D

Go Stallions! :D