R.I.P. HalloweeN 1979-1995

[PsychoFreak]

Halloween one - six ruled. They were all classic halloween films in their own special way. But am afraid the time has come. If moustapha akkad stopped and thought about something other than the bloody money he makes from the movies and starts to care about the fans, Halloween would rule again. Dont get me wrong- i liked H20 and H8 but they were NOT halloween movies. They were "make money scream movies" and we all know that.

So if M.A. used his brain mikey would rule again. But in case he dosn't use his brain and makes another h movie to get more money then Michael Myers deserves a good send off. So will each if you great schmoes please post your name and personal messege to michael if M.A.'s "make more money way"is the future of the halloween movies.

PS
Don't get me wrong- There still might be hope for michael! This is a just in case thread!

[Could Be Worse]

You said 1-6 ruled? I hated #3 (though you may not be counting it) and thought H20 and Ressurection were better than 5 and 6.

[movies35]

Halloween- 6/10

Halloween 2- 7/10

Halloween 3- 2/10

Halloween 4- 8/10

Halloween 5- 7.5/10

Halloween 6- 5/10

Halloween H20- 7/10

Halloween Resurection- 8/10

So as you can see I think the Halloween movies are still going strong. Sure, they don't have the T&A the first ones had, but who cares... OMG did I just say that??!!

[movies35]

And if you look back at my post every 3rd movie sucked... maybe the next one will suck??

[The Claw]

I dont really care. I only found enjoyment out of part 3. I really dont care for the rest. Sorry.

[Boogeyman]

Well, to each his own. I dont believe the series is dead. I think its far from it. H20, in my mind, revived the series and Resurrection was fun but, well, didnt feel like a Halloween. The end of the series, 9 or 10, will have to go back to the feel of Halloween 1 and 4. I mean, it will be hard, because there is so much to tie up, but it will have to be done one way or another. If not, then the series will never rest in peace!

later

[JustOneFix]

I agree with the title of this thread 100%. H1-6 ruled, each installment in its own way, and anything beyond h6 is godawful crap, both demeaning to the series and insulting to fans.

[PsychoFreak]

no i dont count 3 coz it is NOT an halloween movie. (in my opinion anyways) H20 was a fun, scream like movie (i enjoyed it but it didn't feel halloweeny. HALLOWEEN:RESURECTION was ok but it made me think god i miss jamie lee and donald pleasence.

but if the film makers dont go back to making the halloween movies that are haloweeny then michael could die.

ps
i do like h20 and res, but not as halloween movies... anyone agree?

[PsychoFreak]

halloween: 10/10

halloween 2: 8/10

halloween 4: 9/10

halloween 5: 5/10

halloween 6: 7/10

H20: (by it's self) 9/10 (in the halloween series) 6/10

Halloween: Resurection:
(by it's self) 9/10 (in the halloween series) 6.5/10

[TheHitcher2]

Halloween - 10/10
Halloween II - 8/10
Halloween III - 2/10
Halloween IV - 7/10
Halloween V - 6/10
Halloween VI - 0/10
Halloween VI Producer's - 0/10
Halloween H20 - 7/10
Halloween: Resurrection - 5/10

As you can see, I fucking hate both Halloween 6's, but enjoy the rest of the series a lot. H20 was a good movie in my eyes and I'm so god damned sick of everyone bashing modern horror movies. Who the fuck cares?

H20 had Jamie Lee Curtis, Marion Chambers; it was light, but fun and had a great ending. H:R had a great prologue, some fun kills, and an interesting premise. It didn't exactly have the "Haddonfield" vibe, but it was acceptable.

The series is not dead and it's not even waning. It wouldn't even be around if Dimension films hadn't come along, so quit bitching. If you don't like the newer movies, watch up to six and pretend it ended there. Just stop complaining about how watered down and terrible the new movies are. SOME OF US ENJOY THEM.

[PsychoFreak]

thats great if u enjoy them. I enjoy them too but i was just stating my point that M.A. new "more money way" doesn't make them feel like halloweens any more. Im not bashing the new ones, if any thing modern horror is my fav sub genre.

[pyscho dude]

I agree 1-6 were good but 7 and 8 were okay but didn't feel the same. To me when Donald Pleasance died the series died with him. Rest in peace Donald Pleasance.

[Cronos]

Why do people hate Halloween 3 so much, i'm in the minority that actually likes it, sure it doesn't follow the series with Michael Myers but its well acted, scripted and it was refreshing to see something other than a bloke walk around stabbing people with a knife or pronged objects.

but to each their own

[Duke Nukem]

Well, one thing is clear: whether us fans hate or like H20 or Resurrection, it is probably agreed they don't feel like real "Halloween" movies. I liked them both, but I know what you guys mean. They weren't the same in atmosphere. The first "Halloween" films were, if you will, more serious in a way in trying to reach it's audience with a tale of a real-life Boogeyman. H20 and Resurrection, as much as I like them, were more for fun, and there was a lack of seriousness it all that suggested that the filmmakers weren't trying hard enough. Heck, they left that seriousness when they started discarding H4-H6...

Which leads to the true problem of a roadblock of the series: By ignoring the midsequels, they're ignoring what the series was about. I mean, obviously, "Halloween 6," was a real "Curse" for the series, because (a) Dimension Video butchered the movie to death, all in hopes of it reaching a mainstream audience which didn't please either the mainstream audience, the fans, and of course, the critics. Of course, there's those, including yours truly, that like "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers," but that's not the point. The point is that Dimension Video is not ignoring the mess of a "Curse" they made with H20 and Resurrection. Geez! All they had to do was maybe reference it with one line, so the fans wouldn't be lost...

Unbelievably, what could have been only a simple reference has divided the fans and the storyline. There's those that like the "old school" Halloweens, and those that like H20 and Resurrection. There's also those like both mixes, including yours truly, and that's why I've went through so much trouble in that last several months to fix up the plotholes, and I've very much succeeded in doing that. I'm sure all of you have seen in the other "Halloween 9" threads, so I'm not going to bother putting it here (unless you want me too).

My point is that I think there's still hope for the series. Dimension Video ignores the midsequels, and apparantly, certain stars that portrayed still surviving characters (Josh Hartnett and Paul Rudd) don't want to return. But, I think that with a good script, it can be done. At this point in the series, the storyline's holes have to be patched up (and can be), and the only way do that is by bringing back certain characters in previous entries: Laurie's son, John and Tommy Doyle. I think that with just the right script, Hartnett and Rudd might consider reprising their roles. And maybe, just maybe, Dimension Video would finally consider making amends with Michael's "curse."

[Lady Summerisle]

I dont really care. I only found enjoyment out of part 3. I really dont care for the rest. Sorry.

Dont apologize for not liking the series as a whole. I am none too entertained by the Michael Myers saga either. Having the villain change in part 3 was refeshing and worked very well.

[venkman]

The problem with the Halloween ( elm st, friday13) sequels is that the people making them are only intrested in quick cash. The originals to all of these films are great and far superior. The reason being is that they were Carpenters, Craven's babies, they cared alot about these projects, putting so much effort into getting them off the ground. They laid down classic blue prints for shoddy builders to try and recreate....Makes me want to weep into my red and green sweater!

[TheHitcher2]

I agree that these sequels are not as "lovingly made" as the originals, but it's not plausible that they would be. Sequels always go in one of two directions: a rehash of the previous chapters or into new terrain. The problem with heading into new terrain is that it's not always successful.

A perfect example is Halloween 6. To me, the Thorn saga is ridiculous, it complicates the simplicity of Halloween's storyline, it cheeses everything up with a soap opera cult, it's just lunacy. Some fans, however, embrace 666. This can be a large problem for the makers of the sequel. If you're already targeting a specific group of moviegoers (ie horror film fans and more specifically Halloween fans), it's not in your best interest to alienate half of the audience. That sounds muddled, but what I'm trying to say is that, although I hate it, maybe the producer's should just tie off the Halloween 6 loose end somehow so that 666 fans will be happy.

[venkman]

If they are going to take the franchise into a new direction they have to still show respect for the existing audience. In which the most disrespect happened with H20, because they dismissed parts 4 and 5 as though they didn't happen, and force fed us the Dawson creek appealing H20. For me part 4 was quite a decent sequel which brought back some of the originals tone. 5 went off track, but H20 & Ressurection put the series back in the coffin and sealed it firmly shut.

[Duke Nukem]

My take on the 666 thing is this: that the Thorn symbol mythology element was used and finished in "Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers." We got all of that came out of it in that entry. We now know who was behind Michael's escape from the sanitarium, who taught him drive, who the man in black was, and all about how Michael's evil had to do with druids. Of course, not many people understand the thorn symbol thing, but that doesn't matter...

Now, all we need to do is bring surviving characters, NOT the thorn symbol thing, from that storyline and put them into a storyline with John Tate, Laurie's son, from the H20 storyline. Thus, we're puting the two storylines together, and correcting the plotholes that contradicted the once-separate storylines. We don't even need to mention the thorn symbol thing. Well, maybe a few things in order to get the plotholes corrected, but we wouldn't be pushing it too hard for the fans, nonfans, or critics, because they are necessary in correcting some of the plotholes

[pyscho dude]

Duke Nukem I agree that the Thorn curse shouldn't completely be brought back but I'd atleast like to see the tatoo on Michael's wrist.

[TheHitcher2]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
Duke Nukem I agree that the Thorn curse shouldn't completely be brought back but I'd atleast like to see the tatoo on Michael's wrist.

See that's a good idea. While I hate the Thorn line, this wouldn't bother me and it would please the 666 fans.

[XCoRyX]

Wouldnt this be 1978-1995?

Halloween- 7.5/10
Halloween 2- 8/10
Halloween 3- 4/10
Halloween 4- 8/10
Halloween 5- 4.5/10
Halloween 6- 8.5/10
Halloween 7- 4/10
Halloween 8- 3/10

and i agree the halloween series to me is basically dead but still walking.

[Duke Nukem]

Exactly. that's all Dimension Video or Moustapha Akkad, or whoever was responsible, had to do: just reference the 666 thing when it had to in H20 (when Laurie spilled her guts to the counselor, she should have mentioned that she also had a daughter, but Michael killed her) and Resurrection (yeah, sure, "nobody" lived in the Myers house since Michael Myers first killed)...but they didn't in fear that fans would get confused or distraught. Well, the fans only got distraught when they completely disregared H4-6, which is why the series is at a roadblock right now. Yet, I've figured out how to correct these and several condricting plotholes. It's all a matter of getting Dimension Video or Moustapha Akkad to go back to it.

[PsychoFreak]

sorry cory 79 - 95 was when 1-6 were made.

[Boogeyman]

actually, 78-95 was when Halloween 1-6 was made

later

[Jon Lyrik]

Halloween was brilliant (10.5/10). Halloween II was a worthy sequel/follow-up (7/10). Every sequel after that sucked.

So the series, to me anyway, has been long since overmilked and dead, and should have ended at the end of Part II. Dead, done, perfectly fine. Then they started to milk a rotting cow corpse.

[venkman]

Jon Lyrik, I agree man. Halloween 2 wrapped things up perfectly.
Myers was shot in both eyes and blown to bits. How the hell do you overcome that?!!!!

[TheHitcher2]

Originally posted by venkman
Jon Lyrik, I agree man. Halloween 2 wrapped things up perfectly.
Myers was shot in both eyes and blown to bits. How the hell do you overcome that?!!!!

Duh, you drag your crispy ass out of that place, move into a cave with a shady old guy with a bird, get underground ghetto surgery to repair yourself, spend three to four hours a day with a physical therapist, have daily skin treatments, and eventually re-emerge to bash some more ass.

[venkman]

Originally posted by TheHitcher2
Duh, you drag your crispy ass out of that place, move into a cave with a shady old guy with a bird, get underground ghetto surgery to repair yourself, spend three to four hours a day with a physical therapist, have daily skin treatments, and eventually re-emerge to bash some more ass.

Duh, silly me! lol

[JurassicMik]

I would rate the Halloween flims as follows:

Halloween 10/10 - Classic movie for sure, in my top ten.

Halloween 2 8/10 - I liked the idea that this film starts out right after the first, so it almost seems as if you're watching the same movie.

Halloween 3 6/10 - I thought this was an interesting and pretty decent movie, people seem to bash it too much just because it's not a real Halloween sequel.

Halloween 4 8/10 - Just as good a sequel as part 2.

Halloween 5 3/10 - I think this one is the worst in the series, I cringed when Myers started to cry.

Halloween 6 7/10 - Good sequel, I've never seen the Producer's Cut though.

Halloween H20 6/10 -First half is slow and boring, but it gets good within the final half hour. Ending was great too.

Halloween: Ressurrection 5/10 -Some decent kills and gore, but it's really evident this should have ended with H20. The begginning is by far the best part of the movie.


I would say the Halloween series should have ended with H20, the ending of the movie pretty much finishes the story.

[ofmknockoff]

Halloween III is the only one in the series I liked but I agree that it shouldn't have been a Halloween movie. I'vetried really hard to like them and I respect them and the influenc they have had on horror, I guess I just don't like slashers

[HaywoodJaBlowMe]

Dude just about all the Halloweens have sucked excpet for the original and part 4, the rest were mediore or worse:

HALLOWEEN- 9/10
HALLOWEEN 2- 6/10
HALLOWEEN 3- 0.1/10
HALLOWEEN 4- 7/10
HALLOWEEN 5- 4/10
HALLOWEEN 6- 5/10
HALLOWEEN H20- 5/10
HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION- 3/10

[pyscho dude]

HaywoodJawBlowMe nice picture. Hmmmm. Looks like sombody I knows picture.(steeler!)

[PsychoFreak]

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