Sampling is not stealing....

[The Postmaster General]

You know, how Andy Warhol didn't rip off the design for the Campbells soup can....

http://art-meets-art.net/art/media-k/warhol-tomato.jpg



Sampling, in it's essence, is the lifting of familiar aspects of popular culture in order to bring out a new idea. (Or in this context, song.)

[bowieee]

I agree but to make it your entire body of work.... In the thread just below this one... Well may not be after I wrote this but anyways.. i was ranting on how will smith does nothing original. I stand by that rant. Sampling can be used in very creative ways but sometimes it can be taken way too far. When you stop composing original music entirely and rely only on samples taken from the creative blood of others even with their permission just makes me lose respect for the artist. Sampling is a great tool I just hate it when it becomes the only one.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by bowieee
I agree but to make it your entire body of work.... In the thread just below this one... Well may not be after I wrote this but anyways.. i was ranting on how will smith does nothing original. I stand by that rant. Sampling can be used in very creative ways but sometimes it can be taken way too far. When you stop composing original music entirely and rely only on samples taken from the creative blood of others even with their permission just makes me lose respect for the artist. Sampling is a great tool I just hate it when it becomes the only one. Yeah, I agree with you. It's like artists who do ONLY remixes of other artists. That can get redundant.

I don't even like Will Smith, I'm just curious.. what other songs besides Will2k/Rock The Casbah includes a sampling of another artist?

[BadCoverVersion]

Sampling can be fab'...Big Willie just gets giddy with it.

I agree with ya' Bubba...but moderation is the ticket.

[bowieee]

Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
Yeah, I agree with you. It's like artists who do ONLY remixes of other artists. That can get redundant.

I don't even like Will Smith, I'm just curious.. what other songs besides Will2k/Rock The Casbah includes a sampling of another artist?

Men In Black samples here come the forget me nots

He's the greatest Dancer: For getting Jiggy With it

And the beat goes on for: Miami

I wish: For Wild Wild West

Just the two of us: For Just the two of us

[paul calf]

Originally posted by bowieee
Men In Black samples here come the forget me nots

He's the greatest Dancer: For getting Jiggy With it

And the beat goes on for: Miami

I wish: For Wild Wild West

Just the two of us: For Just the two of us

the lad definetly has a point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i must admit i hate all these rap songs which sample other people's songs,and then just pass them off as their own,when they have put very little into them,"missing you" by puff diddy/daddy,doddy being the perfect example.

[beastieben21]

I think a cd like The Beastie Boys "Pauls Botique" is the perfect example of how sampling can make a great thing something incredible. With all the legal issues, a cd like that could never be made without spending a fortune. I don't ever think they were lazy when making it, like...(cough) Big Willie, I just think it's flippin' genius.

[areyoubeingserved]

DOOBLE

[areyoubeingserved]

I can't believe no one's mentioned The Avlanches yet and in a thread about sampling. How many individual samples were on Since I Left You? I think it was 16 000.

This is interesting because I'm doing a literary composition (aka wank) at the moment delving into postmodernism, and I think smpling in music is a huge part of and particularly relevant to that particular cultural term. And I think really sampling holds the same aesthetic qualities as applied to postmodern art (as Dr. Bubba Strangelove so lovingly pointed out in the start of this thread) -- So the Avalnches produce fucking brilliant music because they are recontextualising the already existing sound, as do most postmodern artists (with image), whereas Will Smith is just laying something over the top, in a fairly bland fashion.

Go The Avalanches, anyhow.

[Reigh Kaufman]

The Avalanches are THE prime example of music being turned into something utterly majestic through sampling. The album itself is fantastic and half the fun is trying to figure out where the samples all come from. As for Will Smith, hell, alright, the guy is no music artist but he's not exactly purporting to redefine the rap landscape, is he? Not like, say, 50Cent, whose music is so samey it's untrue. Saviour of rap? How do they figger that?

[The Postmaster General]

Well, no bowieee I've seen the misconception thrown around lots that sampling=ripping off, and that's okay.

I know with Will S. it comes down to personal preference.


Personally, I don't mind the guy. I appreciate him more for his image, and how he a father -- all the jive. It's kind of cool to me if he introduces some kid to The Clash.


Yeah, I think sampling, just like guitar wizardry, or guitar warlockitivity, is all a matter of personal taste.

Stealing, it is not.


Also, I just wanted an excuse to make that Warhol comparison.

[areyoubeingserved]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove


Also, I just wanted an excuse to make that Warhol comparison.

We could all see that a mile off.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by areyoubeingserved
We could all see that a mile off.

LOL

We are "sampling" one another's posts.