Lisa Marie Presley's New Religion

[BorderEevilIII]

(dailydish/sfgate.com)

LISA-MARIE'S DRUG BINGE DROVE HER TO SCIENTOLOGY

Singer Lisa-Marie Presley had to seek help from the Church of Scientology for the first time after going on a 72-hour drink and drugs binge.

The daughter of rock'n'roll icon Elvis is now a committed member of the church, which also boasts stars John Travolta and Tom Cruise as devotees.

She explains, "I was on a 72-hour bender. Cocaine, sedatives, pot and drinking -- all at the same time. I never got my hands on any heroin, but it's not as if I wouldn't have taken it. I just couldn't be sober. I don't know how I lived through it.

"I woke up one day with a bunch of people on the floor and the coke dealer was in the room. I just said, 'Everybody get the f--- out. That's it. I'm done.'

"I drove myself to the Church of Scientology and said, 'Somebody f---ing help me right now'. They jumped in, not in a rehab way. It wasn't like that.

"Now I've figured out who I am. I have an understanding of sanity and insanity."

[Michael_myers]

:rolleyes: absolutly un fucking believable.

[Lynn7]

It's funny- I have seen a lot of these celebrities rave about Scientology but they never seem to say what it is. I bought a book on it at a library sale to find out about it and it didn't really say much of anything. Everything is kind of vague.

I've seen exposes on 20/20 and other news magazines saying that the regular folk are treated differntly than the celebrity folk, but the celebrities deny this. Some countries ban it saying it is a cult. I still don't understnd what it is. Oh well.

[Gretchen_Ross]

Originally posted by Lynn7
It's funny- I have seen a lot of these celebrities rave about Scientology but they never seem to say what it is. I bought a book on it at a library sale to find out about it and it didn't really say much of anything. Everything is kind of vague.

I've seen exposes on 20/20 and other news magazines saying that the regular folk are treated differntly than the celebrity folk, but the celebrities deny this. Some countries ban it saying it is a cult. I still don't understnd what it is. Oh well.

i noticed the same thing. then i used the internet to find out more about it. here's an admitedly anti-$cientology site called operation clambake (http://www.xenu.net). like i said, it's totally biased but you'll find out more there then you ever will from official $cientology channels (unless you're willing to pay a hefty sum, of course). last time i posted this link it got deleted by a mod, so get it while it's hot, folks.

[Slim]

Crazy ass brainwashing cult. Is there a list of celebrities who endorse this shit?

All I know is that Tom Cruise claimed that Scientology cured him of his dyslexia. What a crazy ass bastard!

[vtadave]

Just a bunch of fucking wackos...trust me, I know a few. That said, Lisa Marie will fit right in.

[asyouwish530]

Hmm, I guess that's just the Elvis in Lisa Marie coming out :rolleyes:. She's probably every bit as crazy as he was, or she tries to be, but without the talent part...

[Jon Lyrik]

:rolleyes:

Oh, c'mon...whatever.

[Gretchen_Ross]

Originally posted by SlimX
Is there a list of celebrities who endorse this shit?


here's the most accurate and comprehensive list of celebrity scientologists (http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/celeb.txt) i know of.

and just to make it clear, this is america and as far as i'm concerned people can believe what they want to believe. believe that the son of god came to earth and died for the sins of mankind. believe that our bodies are infested with alien souls who cause all of our problems. believe we're all made of cheese and rodents are our worst enemies. it's all fine with me. what i have a problem with is the business of scientology. it takes peoples' money and forces them to abandon their family and friends. believe in everything hubbard said for all i care but stay away from the cult of $cientology.

[BorderEevilIII]

Damn! that list is SCARY~~! Well some of them BELONG on there and some like noooo waaay maaan NOT Him/Her!!!

[James Logan]

Originally posted by SlimX
Crazy ass brainwashing cult.

Yup, that's about it. :)

[arto_j]

Seems about right, that she ended up there of all places on a huge binge. Who'd go there sober?

[quoth_the_raven]

its funny, theres been a lot of legal cases with the Uk government and the church of scientology...we kept trying to stop their people coming into this country...

i can understand why, i find scientology to be really quite scary overall. so does my government ;)

still, if she needs it to get through.....

personally, i think she shoulda stayed high and skipped the religious awakening...


;)

[Gregorious8]

That list told me about some I didn't know about like Jason Lee and Brad Pitt once took a couple of classes

[Gretchen_Ross]

Originally posted by Gregorious8
That list told me about some I didn't know about like Jason Lee and Brad Pitt once took a couple of classes

well, keep in mind that the cult of $cientology likes to inflate their numbers, especially in regards to celebrities. in other words, a celebrity may have taken a couple of classes, realized it was hogwash, and never gone back, but the cult considers them to be a "member." but i do believe that jason lee is a full fledged member, as he has been featured at their many parties and "charity" events. and his first wife was a scientologist as well.

[MacReady]

Um, it this allowed in Canada?:(

[Buck Turgidson]

Excellent link, Gretchen.

Damn...looks like Mimi Rogers is the St, Paul of this thing. She seems to have recruited half the people there...

They've got a nice collection of marginal actresses ;) :cool:

[the movie guy]

You have a Scientologist Super Schmoe here that is very insulted. :mad:

That first link is so gay and false.

And that second link is probably accurate, but I think it's cool that there's many celebrities that have at least checked out what we're about.

Lynn 7... What book did you read?

[the movie guy]

Oh, and Lisa Marie Presley has been in Scientology for many many years. This is old news.

[the movie guy]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
:rolleyes:

Oh, c'mon...whatever. I'm glad you're "whatever" on this. The rest of you guys should be ashamed.

One of our own codes is to respect the religious beliefs of others. I wish you guys could do the same thing and quit bringing these stupid threads up (and that fucking link, Gretchen).

[the movie guy]

Originally posted by Gretchen_Ross
in other words, a celebrity may have taken a couple of classes, realized it was hogwash, and never gone back, but the cult considers them to be a "member." That's a load of shit. Brad Pitt may have read a book and been put on a list full of people who had also done so, but I have never heard any Scientologist say he was a Scientologist because of this. He is not a Scientologist unless he says he is, which he hasn't (publicly, at least), so he isn't.

Also, that list isn't something we flaunt. It is obviously a confidential document that some cocksucker stuck on the internet in order to spread more lies.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by the movie guy
I'm glad you're "whatever" on this. The rest of you guys should be ashamed.





we should be ashamed because our views differ from yours?

following that through, i guess everytime i disagree with you from now on, i will be expected to hang my head with shame right? smething tells me i wont be getting much work done. i will be to busy chastising myself for daring to not share the same views as someone

:D:D:D


bottom line- to each his own. i personally find scientology to be a scary like cult. i am sorry if that offends you, i really and truly am, but ya know, we all think differently.


wow post 2900...i am rolling baby!:D

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by the movie guy
The rest of you guys should be ashamed.


Whoa, whoa... I couldn't give less of a shit about this stuff.

I would hate Cruise and think Lisa Marie Presley was a spoiled moron if they were both Episcopalians.

I find some aspects of the movement sinister (especially their propensity for financially ruinous lawsuits against people who irk them), but in the end, I really couldn't care less.

("A man may believe in a God, twenty Gods or none. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson.)

Unlike some other people in other contexts, I'm not advocating that Scientologists be expelled from the country or persecuted or put onto a deck of playing cards because I may have differences woth some aspects of their belief systems.

[Gretchen_Ross]

sorry, but i ain't gonna get into an argument about this. it's within my rights to believe what i want and express my beliefs in a respectful fashion, just as it is within others rights to do the very same thing. i don't believe i did anything wrong in posting a link to a site that is critical of scientology and expressing my own criticisms of it, as i never once called anybody names or insulted anyone. i don't have any problems with anybody posting pro-scientology links or expressing their happiness with scientology as long as they aren't rude either. i'm not gonna come back to this thread after i post this, because the above argument between schmoes is one that will never ever be resolved. the pro- people are for it, the anti-people are against it and never the 'twain shall meet. i'm sure my absence from the thread could be seen as a cop-out by some, but i view it as taking myself out of a never-ending and probably soon-to-be-closed by a mod argument where no one will ever agree with anyone else.

say goodbye to this suppressive person...

[Nate6]

Hey guys,

I'm going to be leaving this topic open, as it seems to, so far, be a fairly healthy debate about celebrities and religion. Remember, though, two things: make sure it doesn't totally turn into a religious debate, and, respect is a major rule around here.

Cool? Alright. This topic...continues to be open.

[electriclite]

It's over-glorified "self-help" and a "religion" for the rich. That's it.

At least when I was forced to go to mass by my mom we had a choice of not giving a tithing. Scientology won't even let you through the door without your life savings being signed away to them.

[lily25]

I've always wondered why some folks write it with the $ sign instead of the letter "s". What does that mean?

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by lily25
I've always wondered why some folks write it with the $ sign instead of the letter "s". What does that mean?

Mean$ they want money...ca$h.

[the movie guy]

There are many free services, by the way.

Though when it comes down to money, some people wouldn't mind coughing up some dough if they believe that what they're coughing it up for works.

It's like Jared, the Subway Sandwich guy. He coughed up money to eat at Subway to loose weight. It may SOUND crazy to some... It may not seem to WORK for some (maybe because they sneak in a mint after every meal, i.e. they alter Scientology's technology)... But for Jared, and some others, it works, and it's worth the money.

That was a horrible analogy, but I think I sort of got my point across. :)

Now, think what you want, and don't be ashamed about it if you don't want (none of your comments deeply affected me or anything, though some WERE very mean things to say about someone's religion), but most of you guys are completely (here comes another analogy...) "giving the Dimension movie an automatic 0/10 grade without even having seen it, just because you're taking the word of the Universal exec who's against it (despite having seen it either) just because he's Dimension's competition."
And why believe "Universal's" word over "Dimension's"?... Because, for some, it's easier to believe the lies of the "Universal guy" who isn't trying to sell the "movie" (and is trying to destroy it) than it is to believe the "Dimension guy" who is honestly trying to sell a damn good "movie". This is the case because "Universal" has you believe that someone in "Dimension" is claiming this good "movie" is good just to make a profit off the sales. The truth is, that the money is going towards more advertisement and more "theatres" and "movie prints" to make the "movie" more known and seen. And why do we want more people to see this "movie"?... Because the majority of people who've seen it think it's good.

Our founder (who's dead) never made a personal profit out of Scientology, (Ask me how he became so wealthy if you'd like. I have a truthful answer.) and no one does now. (Our Chairman of the Board happily does his own laundry every Sunday in a laundromat.)

I hope that "movie" paragraph made sense. I had to keep the post "movie-related". :p

If you have questions or comments, you are welcome to PM someone who's actually seen what Scientology's about, and who isn't trying to sell you anything, but would like to just spread some first-hand-experience truth about Scientology. (I mean myself.)

[Dude]

I wonder how $cientology explains away the statements that L. Ron Hubbards son made a years ago about his father admitting he was going to "create" a new religion of his own....how he dabbled in witchcraft and used his son in some of those practices?


I think anyone should be allowed to believe anything...but I also think we have the right to investigate ANY cult/religion that for years fought the govt on tax exempt status and tried to feloniously walk a fine line between being a business AND a religion...maybe its those damned "Thetons" that keep cropping up inside them....not enough "E-Metering" if you ask me. :p

[Tommy Doyle]

Lisa Marie Presley fascinates me. I'm not sure if I entirely like her (I think a few of her songs are kick ass admittedly though...). If she needed scientology to get through rough times, more power to her for finding something to help her get through it.

Scientology and some of it's aspects are a different story to me. I did a pretty major research project on Scientology back in psych in High School, and it's been a long time, and facts are hazy, but I remember being scared. Forcing people to give up family because their families would only hold them back, taking people's last cent and basically leaving them for dead, suing reporters who dared speak out against them with their billions of dollars and shutting down any investigations that may have come up against them. Something somewhere is being hidden. I join the vote that says Scientology is a massive cult, and it's scary.

I do believe good things can be taken from some of the messages that Scientolgoy professes, but other things are just way too out there to be considered good in anyway.

Religion and spirituality should be something good in someone's life. And granted it is for some, but I don't see any good in getting someone to abandon their families and give up every cent they posses to help out the church. Yes, apparently those who give mass amounts of money do it from free will, bull, in my opinion anyway. Spirituality should be something that can be celebrated by all, something you can share with your family, something that comes from within, not your wallet or your check book. Why are people forced to give up their families in their quest for knowledge and understanding and spirituality? If anything, family should be the key factor in helping someone figure this out. Why should negative aspects of searching for spirituality be kept out of the public eye? Why are reporters and news establishments sued for printing any discouraging words towards scientology? The negative and the good is what make up the whole? What is the church so afraid of??

Any "religion" that tries to destroy the lives of people who get out of the church, is not a good thing. I remember reading a few first hand accounts from former members. One man (this is after he "donated" every single cent he had to the church) after realizing in his own words, that the church was bullshit, lost his job, his home, had his children taken away from him, had people following him around, was constantly harrassed by people who were still involved in the church, all within weeks of walking away from it... That is scary shit...

I'm sorry if I'm being offensive to anyone here, it's not my intention. I'm just saying my views, and the things I know (which again, admittedly is hazy and not the be all to end all, it was only a high school project after all...) as we're all entitled to do. Scientology is fucked up, in my opinion anyway, scary shit... 'nuff said.

[the movie guy]

Ah, well, we have a lot of scary facts about Psychiatry and Psychology that we put on exhibit in a building called Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (It's free. Check it out if you live in the area) on Sunset boulevard in Hollywood, so I can understand why Psychiatrists and Psychologists would want to spread scary lies about us...

I know I won't be convincing the majority of you that Scientology is far from scary, but it's what I know to be true from experience, so I'm standing up for what I believe in.

[Jim H]

I try not to bash religions too much...

But the fact that L. Ron Hubbard said the quickest way to make a million dollars is to create a religion, mere years before he started first working on Scientology speaks for itself, at least in my view.

Hubbard was always a scum bag, who turned his own wife in during the McCarthy days. He was a great author though - Battlefield Earth is one of my favorites.

That said, if it is helping you in your life and you think you're doing good through it - more power to you. Just don't knock me for preparing for Ragnarok, ok?

[PrettyInPink]

Originally posted by asyouwish530
Hmm, I guess that's just the Elvis in Lisa Marie coming out :rolleyes:. She's probably every bit as crazy as he was, or she tries to be, but without the talent part...


Wouldn't it be nicer to slate her and her only. Or has it always got to be a rub off from her father.

The guy wasn't crazy. Having problems within the lifestyle he had does not make him crazy. Sorry I aint gonna rant on about him, but I hate the fact we cant comment on Lisa Marie without some shite remark about her father.
Please leave him out of this one.:)

I personally cant understand this crap. Whatever it is about can not be good for you. It's all a money racket and brainwashing sad load of trouts. But of course that's my opinion.
How sad must it be to need some sort of group/cult to help you along in life. I find it very scary.:(

[Marilyn Monroe]

I find all religion to be a cult.

[Jim H]

I find all religion to be a cult.

It really depends on the definition of "cult" you use.

One is an extremist or "false" religion with a charismatic leader. That could arguably be most major religions.

Another " A system or community of religious worship and ritual.". Nearly all religions.

" The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual." Sort of not a religion itself.

The common usage in America is to call any religion a cult that is not Christianity. By this usage, all minority religions are cults - Christianity would be one in China, India, or Japan, for instance.

[Dixiecup]

Lisa Marie got involved when her mother took her years ago, back in the early-mid 80's. Anyone remember the movie BOWFINGER? They did a pretty funny parody of it there...