Mike Tyson: "I really want to rape Desiree Washington now" [Archive]

FeydRautha

05-28-2003, 11:12 PM

In the eyes of the law, can't his public comments officially count as threatening behaviour? That might get him put away, or at the very least Ms. Washington can now apply for a restraining order.

Tom Sizemore's in trouble for leaving threatening messages on an answering machine. Tyson made his threats in a broadcast interview! Lock him back up, I say.

Ironically, the other day the boss and I were watching "Crocodile Dundee in L.A." on cable, and Mike Tyson has a cameo in it! He teaches Mick Dundee and his son how to meditate. Talk about playing the opposite of oneself...

Slim

05-29-2003, 12:59 AM

"I just hate her guts. She put me in that state, where I don't know, I really wish I did now. But now I really do want to rape her.''

Wow, what a classy guy. Outstanding!!!

FeverDog420

05-29-2003, 01:22 AM

Yes, it's sick, but saying you want to rape someone isn't the same as saying you're going to.

BadCoverVersion

05-29-2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Yes, it's sick, but saying you want to rape someone isn't the same as saying you're going to.

True.

I've fancied raping McGregor for several years now.

Re: Tyson.

In all honesty, I doubt the big simple gobshite even realises the distasteful nature of his own comments.

PrettyInPink

05-29-2003, 11:57 AM

I don't know about that statement. You know maybe what he was saying was taken the wrong way. I'm not saying that he should say things like that, wanting to rape someone is a terrible thing but the way I might have read that is IF he is innocent then he has got a hell of a lot of anger for that woman. Which who can blame him IF he is innocent.

I have serious doubts over his guilt but that is my personal opinion. The guy has proved himself time and time again to be a monster in and out of the ring but when it came to the rape allegations I just didn't buy it all. Im not looking for a big debate on that either, im just saying what I think.

His statement that he hates her, and that she puts him in a state are quite justified IF he is innocent. The statement that he now wishes he had raped her is terrible but IF the guy is innocent then I can understand why he may feel that way.

I have probably just lost the respect of all my fellow schmoes but what im trying to say is if you were an innocent guy, accused of rape, jailed and all along you were the only person in the world (except for the accuser) that knew your innocence would that not be tearing you apart inside.

I dont know if he did rape her, the courts said he did and he served time for it so he is in fact a rapist in the eyes of the law. I just cant say yes for definete.

Apart from that yes the stupid buffoon made a damn stupid statement that will no doubt haunt him for a long time.

Slim

05-29-2003, 01:22 PM

A rape allegation is as good as a rape conviction. Not many people will think twice if a man is accused of raping a woman. He's as good as guilty. I understand what you're saying PIP. Being accused and having to pay for a crime you didn't commit would certainly get me angry! Making his terrible statement somewhat understandable.

Grebdron

05-29-2003, 02:22 PM

I get it. Especially if he didn't rape her. And to me, the evidence never proved he did. She went to his room willingly, dressed in lingerie, I think, at 2 in the morning. My guess is any sex was consentual.

If I had been accused of rape and knew I was innocent, I'd be pretty full of hatred to. Maybe he just figures that since he did time for rape, he might as well have raped her.

The Shootin Surgeon

05-29-2003, 02:46 PM

Naturally, I didn't see all the facts but whatever was released publicly never had me convinced that he had in fact raped her... To be perfectly honest with you, If I had spent 3 years in the can for a rape I didn't commit, I'd be pissed as Hell on the way out!!!

lily25

05-29-2003, 05:26 PM

This isn't the first time he's been accused of rape, is it?

The Locnar

05-29-2003, 06:08 PM

I think the reason the jury found him guilty was that Tyson and his bodyguard (the only other witness) kept changing their stories so it made them look like they had something to hide.

Unless the rapist beats the hell out of the victim it's a he said-she said kind of situation. In this case she said one thing and Tyson plus his bodyguard said 4 things. Didn't make him look like a credible witness.

I'd also like to point out that a lot of rapists don't think they did anything wrong, they don't think they raped anyone even though they, in fact did. This could be one other scenario for Tyson...that he thinks he did nothing wrong so in his mind he's innocent and sees himself as the victim.

Last year Tyson was accused of rape in Las Vegas. I have no idea whatever became of that. His ex-wife Robin Givens claims he was a very scary person while they were married. I tend to believe her.

Reigh Kaufman

05-29-2003, 06:26 PM

I hate Mike Tyson. I also believe he is innocent. I would never condone his comments. I see where he is coming from. Prick.

Grebdron

05-29-2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Reigh Kaufman
I hate Mike Tyson. I also believe he is innocent. I would never condone his comments. I see where he is coming from. Prick.

That is the most contrary post I believe I've ever read.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

Reigh Kaufman

05-29-2003, 06:34 PM

It ain't contrary, ya big woman.

I hate Mike Tyson = He's a prick.
I could never condone his comments = Rape is wrong.
I believe he is innocent = Lying about rape is equally wrong.

I see where he is coming from = He is (IMO) innocent = Frustrated by the slur = Enraged with the 'rapist' tag that will follow him his whole life = Didn't think his comment through.

If (a) x (b) = (c) then we don't initiate a recall.

Grebdron

05-29-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Reigh Kaufman
It ain't contrary, ya big woman.

I hate Mike Tyson = He's a prick.
I could never condone his comments = Rape is wrong.
I believe he is innocent = Lying about rape is equally wrong.

I see where he is coming from = He is (IMO) innocent = Frustrated by the slur = Enraged with the 'rapist' tag that will follow him his whole life = Didn't think his comment through.

If (a) x (b) = (c) then we don't initiate a recall.

I failed English.

What are you on about?

PrettyInPink

05-29-2003, 06:38 PM

Im so glad people understood what I was saying.

His ex saying he was a scary person does not in the slightest suprise me. Thats why I cant figure out why any woman would go to his room expecting coffee and biscuits. Shit there is niave and there is niave.

I also think the guy was a fab boxer who was a fool to himself but maybe the way his life turned out with the rape allegations and all it has made somewhat of a bitter person.

All I can say is that if he invited me up to his room, I would know what the guy wanted and that would be my choice. IMO she was not an innocent little girl.

He obviosly needs to watch what he is saying in public but anger can burn inside a person and the worst will always come out.

As for him being accused of rape once or multiple times there is such a thing as jumping on the bandwagon.

Reigh Kaufman

05-29-2003, 06:42 PM

Greb. Greb. Greeb. Greebdron. Greebdrone? Greebo?

It's weird. If you say your name loads of times it starts to lose all meaning. Just like your wit. Have at ye!

What I was saying is basically what Pretty In Pink was saying...I just used logorithimic quantum physics .

:D

Grebdron

05-29-2003, 06:45 PM

Psychics? What do they have to do with anything? Did they predict he'd rape her?

"Jumping on the bandwagon" is right, PIP. They found him an easy target. He's working with probably an 85 IQ.

Also, these comments don't even count as negative publicity to Mike. He might have said it on purpose. He's still trying to keep his name out there, so people will pay for his fights.

There is no negative publicity in boxing.

Reigh Kaufman

05-29-2003, 06:47 PM

No. but gravity held his head down in shame, if that counts.

PrettyInPink

05-29-2003, 06:48 PM

You two guys are the works btw.

Fancy going into politics with me. I will do the talking and you two can just look good for me.;)

Reigh Kaufman

05-29-2003, 06:49 PM

Okay, PIP. But let me kiss all the babies...We don't want to scare the children with Greb's haircut.

PrettyInPink

05-29-2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Reigh Kaufman
Okay, PIP. But let me kiss all the babies...We don't want to scare the children with Greb's haircut.

Greb can be the candidate for the oaps. He can canvas for pensions. You can be the education canvaser and I will just spend the money, attend the functions and shaft the pair of you when it comes down to it.;)

Sounds like good politics to me.:D

Back to business. I would love to see Tyson fighting again but with a bit of dignity and hopefully with just his fists.

Grebdron

05-29-2003, 06:58 PM

Mike could have been one of the best fighters ever. But he seemed to have lost what little sense he started out with when Cus D'Amato died, and he went to prison for the rape. I loved watching him fight back when, but now it's like watching a train wreck.

Why do I get the pensioners? I want the bikini dollars.

JoBlo

05-30-2003, 12:21 AM

This recent quote by Tyson is a PERFECT example of how the media can fuck shit up however they want.

If ANYBODY had bothered to actually watch the entire interview with Tyson on Fox's "The Pulse" with Greta Van Sustren, they'd have seen that the comments made by the man were about 10 seconds out of a half-hour report about how MIKE TYSON DID NOT RECEIVE A FAIR TRIAL, HIS LAWYER WAS A FUCKIN' TAX ATTORNEY, 3 WITNESSES FOR THE DEFENSE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO TESTIFY BECAUSE OF TECHNICALITIES (TWO OF WHOM SAID THEY SAW DESIREE "ALL OVER MIKE" BEFORE THE RAPE-- AS WELL AS HER EX-BOYFRIEND FROM HIGH SCHOOL WHO HAD SEX WITH HER BEFORE-- AND SHE WENT ON TO TELL HER FATHER THAT HE TOO HAD RAPED HER-- although he never had!!), THREE OF THE JURORS ASKED TODAY IF TYSON HAD RECEIVED A FAIR TRIAL SAID "NO" AND THAT IF THEY KNEW ABOUT ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CONVICTED HIM, and so on and so on and so on and so forth.

After the ENTIRE REPORT, I came to the conclusion that Mike Tyson remains a menace to society, a dumbass ignoramus who is aggressive and idiotic beyond belief, but also a man who was most LIKELY falsely accused of rape, at the very least, with MANY REASONABLE DOUBTS!!

I've said this before and I'll say it again: I don't believe that there are too many things worse than rape in the world, but one of them has to be....LYING ABOUT BEING RAPED!! Fuck anyone who does that. Mike has a fuckin' right to be pissed if he never did it. He also could have gotten out of jail ONE YEAR EARLIER if he had admitted to the rape (even after the conviction), but he never did.

And oh yeah, did I mention that Desiree also went to the bathroom after Mike started kissing her in the room and REMOVED her tampon. Huuuuuh?!?!?!? There was also a phone in the bathroom which she could easily have used to call security downstairs.

REASONABLE DOUBT? HELL YEAH!!!

SLAW

05-30-2003, 12:27 AM

Regardless of whether he actually raped her or not, he did not get a fair trial. And I personally don't think he did it. All I want to ask people is, if you were Mike Tyson, how would your psyche be today?

Grim H.

05-30-2003, 12:28 AM

I still don't think that gives him the right to say what he said in that interview. That was just volatile and sick, and any man who talks like that is an ignoramus who doesn't deserve the media's attention....And what's with that tattoo?:confused:

JoBlo

05-30-2003, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Grim H.
I still don't think that gives him the right to say what he said in that interview. That was just volatile and sick, and any man who talks like that is an ignoramus who doesn't deserve the media's attention....And what's with that tattoo?:confused:

So if a girl that you DIDN'T rape got you convicted of rape, sent you to prison for 3 years and likely got YOU raped by other men and basically left you with that stigma for the rest of your days...what exactly would you be saying in an interview about her? "She messed up and I wish her the best"....? ;)

IF and that's a BIG "if", Mike Tyson REALLY didn't rape this girl and she set the whole thing up for him to take the fall...I too would be a tad upset with the lady. Oh yes, I would.

Again, that's NOT to say that Mike is a "nice guy" or a man who doesn't have psychological issues. Just making a point.

SLAW

05-30-2003, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by JoBlo
So if a girl that you DIDN'T rape got you convicted of rape, sent you to prison for 3 years and likely got YOU raped by other men and basically left you with that stigma for the rest of your days...what exactly would you be saying in an interview about her? "She messed up and I wish her the best"....? ;)

IF and that's a BIG "if", Mike Tyson REALLY didn't rape this girl and she set the whole thing up for him to take the fall...I too would be a tad upset with the lady. Oh yes, I would.

Again, that's NOT to say that Mike is a "nice guy" or a man who doesn't have psychological issues. Just making a point.

Well said. On both of your posts. I agree completely.

Jim H

05-30-2003, 01:09 AM

I remember my dad talking about how ridiculous it was that he was convicted, on literally ZERO evidence.

Good post JoBlo... I think that's the first time I've seen a post like that from you.

.LYING ABOUT BEING RAPED!! Fuck anyone who does that.

Or, as Mike Tyson would say, RAPE someone who does that. :p

The Shootin Surgeon

05-30-2003, 10:07 AM

You have to admit, if anyone can be an easy mark for a fake rape accusation, Mike is our man...

uneducated, violent, likes rough sex (don't ask me how I know... and don't ask me why I have limp), lots of money and most likely unable to mount any coherent defense of himself...

You could probably pin the JFK assassination on this guy and find a way to make it stick, especially since the "jury of your peers" always ends up being the "jurry of ignorant hicks"...

Jim H

05-30-2003, 01:57 PM

always ends up being the "jurry of ignorant hicks"...

Yeah, I remember my mother was on a jury for one of the various priest sex scandals. One juror said "He wouldn't do that, he's a holy man!!!!" :rolleyes:. It was especially hard to believe because he'd completely confessed earlier. Either he was lying then, or he was lying at the trial. Real holy there.

They took a vote, and 9 out of 12 agreed they'd had sex together, but only 7 voted him as guilty. Keep in mind, he was being charged with crimes that are entirely things having to do with having sex with a minor. I guess "reasonable doubts" were on their mind.

There's a lot of problems with the jury system, but I haven't been able to come up with anything better. I do like the three judge system, but there is too much potential for corruption and bias.

Bullet Tooth Tony

05-30-2003, 02:14 PM

The guy is just thick as shit, one too many hits to the head...cunt.

FeydRautha

05-30-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by PrettyInPink
Thats why I cant figure out why any woman would go to his room expecting coffee and biscuits. Shit there is niave and there is niave.

You'd be amazed how intoxicating fame can be. From what I've read, this young lady spent part of the evening with him in the company of other people, so she had attention paid to her by him and by others because he was noticing her, they might have been photographed together, she was probably enamoured of his notoriety...at that point a young person would accept an invitation to a hotel room merely because the invite's coming from a celeb.

I don't know if he did it or not, or if she's crying wolf - from what I've read about Tyson he's little more than a sub-literate thug with an athletic talent - but I'd hate to see the "She was asking for it" finger pointed at her just because she went up to the room.

I'm older and (I hope) wiser than Desiree was when this happened, but I'm ashamed to admit that there are actors and musicians I so admire, if after spending an evening in their company they asked me up to their hotel room - to look at their etchings, pick up some signed 10 x 8's, whatever - I'd probably say yes just because it was them that was doing the asking.

I still believe that what Tyson said in the interview was unconscionable, and just displays his subnormal IQ. To wish rape on anyone is vicious and inexcusable.

James Logan

05-30-2003, 02:41 PM

This man is insane. I don't care how pissed he is -- "now I really want to rape her?" Gimme a fookin' break.

Annie Hall

05-30-2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
True.

I've fancied raping McGregor for several years now.

Re: Tyson.

In all honesty, I doubt the big simple gobshite even realises the distasteful nature of his own comments.

Well put on all accounts.

PrettyInPink

05-30-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by FeydRautha
You'd be amazed how intoxicating fame can be. From what I've read, this young lady spent part of the evening with him in the company of other people, so she had attention paid to her by him and by others because he was noticing her, they might have been photographed together, she was probably enamoured of his notoriety...at that point a young person would accept an invitation to a hotel room merely because the invite's coming from a celeb.

I don't know if he did it or not, or if she's crying wolf - from what I've read about Tyson he's little more than a sub-literate thug with an athletic talent - but I'd hate to see the "She was asking for it" finger pointed at her just because she went up to the room.

I'm older and (I hope) wiser than Desiree was when this happened, but I'm ashamed to admit that there are actors and musicians I so admire, if after spending an evening in their company they asked me up to their hotel room - to look at their etchings, pick up some signed 10 x 8's, whatever - I'd probably say yes just because it was them that was doing the asking.

I still believe that what Tyson said in the interview was unconscionable, and just displays his subnormal IQ. To wish rape on anyone is vicious and inexcusable.

I am still not convinced Feyd. I myself have a lot of celebs I look up to. Maybe a couple I would give anything to be in their company and share conversations and fun with. I know myself from being of the age of teens what the world was about. Im sorry but I still believe if this girl was old enough to drink, socialise and be in the environment she was in then she was old enough to know what she was being offered.

Im not convinced she went to his room all girly girly and expecting a chat and coffee. She was a woman in the presence of someone we have all acknowledged is slightly frightening and intimidating. Pardon me for thinking that this girl shagged and blagged. Putting it straight she kicked a guy in the balls after sucking them.

I also know the statement was harsh but lets face it IF he is an innocent man then I also believe he has every right to wish what he does on this LADY. Try to imagine how prison was for him. MIKE TYSON. RAPIST. Im pretty sure it was no easy ride.

Im sorry but if your gonna play with fire then expect to get burnt.

Obviously all my opinion and who knows the truth except the two people concerned.

I agree with your "SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT" casue she went to his hotel room statement. But looking at his side was he asking for it just because he is a famous guy with money, a bit of a rough reputation and a chance for some nobody to make a name. In my eyes no way.

Grebdron

05-30-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by PrettyInPink
I am still not convinced Feyd. I myself have a lot of celebs I look up to. Maybe a couple I would give anything to be in their company and share conversations and fun with. I know myself from being of the age of teens what the world was about. Im sorry but I still believe if this girl was old enough to drink, socialise and be in the environment she was in then she was old enough to know what she was being offered.

Im not convinced she went to his room all girly girly and expecting a chat and coffee. She was a woman in the presence of someone we have all acknowledged is slightly frightening and intimidating. Pardon me for thinking that this girl shagged and blagged. Putting it straight she kicked a guy in the balls after sucking them.

I also know the statement was harsh but lets face it IF he is an innocent man then I also believe he has every right to wish what he does on this LADY. Try to imagine how prison was for him. MIKE TYSON. RAPIST. Im pretty sure it was no easy ride.

Im sorry but if your gonna play with fire then expect to get burnt.

Obviously all my opinion and who knows the truth except the two people concerned.

I agree with your "SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT" casue she went to his hotel room statement. But looking at his side was he asking for it just because he is a famous guy with money, a bit of a rough reputation and a chance for some nobody to make a name. In my eyes no way.

I love you, PIP.

Wanna come up to my hotel room? I've got a great collection of etchings.

PrettyInPink

05-30-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Grebdron
I love you, PIP.

Wanna come up to my hotel room? I've got a great collection of etchings.

Sure Honey.........just let me go put my sexy underwear on for it......you never know, maybe you want me to model or something.....I don't know with you being such a nice guy an all......but im sure I will be much more comfy in this thong and nippleless bra.:rolleyes:

Grebdron

05-30-2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by PrettyInPink
Sure Honey.........just let me go put my sexy underwear on for it......you never know, maybe you want me to model or something.....I don't know with you being such a nice guy an all......but im sure I will be much more comfy in this thong and nippleless bra.:rolleyes:

Don't forget to excuse yourself, and go into the bathroom and remove your pad.

Like Desiree did.

PrettyInPink

05-30-2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Grebdron
Don't forget to excuse yourself, and go into the bathroom and remove your pad.

Like Desiree did.

How sad is it?:confused:

The lovely lady went to the bathroom and removed her tampon....... WHY??????

Anyhows Greb you know im too old to be having those sort of functions.:D

I wonder did she have crotchless knickers on? That would help her to remove it quicker, as she was probably gagging for it.;)

Grebdron

05-30-2003, 06:28 PM

You're not too old, just too bitter.;)

I watched that Pulse show last night and came away with two thoughts.

He's fucking nutty as a loon.

And he didn't rape Desiree.

They can both be true.

PrettyInPink

05-30-2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Grebdron
You're not too old, just too bitter.;)

I watched that Pulse show last night and came away with two thoughts.

He's fucking nutty as a loon.

And he didn't rape Desiree.

They can both be true.

Exactly....

I mean you are as nutty as loon Greb and you didn't rape me ........... did you?;)

what was the drug you gave me?

Jim H

05-30-2003, 11:10 PM

Wanna come up to my hotel room? I've got a great collection of etchings.

Ooh ooh!!!! Can I come too!??!

JoBlo

05-31-2003, 03:18 PM

Not to be the jerk here, but please try to stick to the topic at hand, folks.

Thanks.

Nate6

05-31-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by JoBlo
Not to be the jerk here, but please try to stick to the topic at hand, folks.

Took the words right out of my mouth...

James Logan

06-01-2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Nate6
Took the words right out of my mouth...

Whaddya want, he's da man. :)

Tuukka

06-01-2003, 11:27 AM

How did Desiree Washington benefit because she accused Tyson of rape? I don't know, so I would be grateful if someone could provide some facts.

I recall that Washington promised to drop charges if Tyson would give out a public apology. I could be wrong, thought.

You have to pretty sick if you think Washington was "asking for it". By that logic I could have already at the age of 26 raped about 30-40 women and it would all be justified to you.

Lyle Waggoner

06-01-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Tuukka
How did Desiree Washington benefit because she accused Tyson of rape? I don't know, so I would be grateful if someone could provide some facts.
I'm with Tuukka, I wouldn't mind some facts, either. Aside from the fact that Tyson's guilt or innocence is completely irrelevant to how outrageously offensive, threatening and nutso his comments are, I'm just curious.

I'm prepared for the possibility that he might be innocent of the charge - but I wouldn't mind knowing what folks are basing that argument on - aside from lame "she knew what she was in for" comments, that is. From what I remember about the case, he picked up Washington in a limo to go to a party at 2am - he then said he'd forgotten something in his room, and asked if she'd mind if they dropped back for a second to pick it up. It ain't exactly the same as "your place or mine?", is it?

Some people could also use a little more sophisticated understanding of what rape is. It doesn't really matter if she intended at any stage of the evening to be intimate with Tyson (not that I know whether this was established). If she says no or resists at any stage, it is his responsibility to stop, and if he forces himself on her physically, in spite of her protests, that's rape. If you can't follow that, it's time to step out of the 1950's and wake the fuck up. Which is not to say that I know that she was raped, but the "she must have known what was going to happen" line just doesn't wash. By that logic, date rape doesn't exist, and I doubt anybody in this thread would be careless enough to imply that - although I reserve the right to be mistaken on that count.

Part of the problem as far as I remember was that Tyson conceded in court that he might have proceeded without consent, but his lawyers argued that the fact that he didn't realise this at the time was a reasonable defence (according to an archaic Indiana law).

But I'm also curious about the "critical witnesses" that were allegedly denied admission in court. What was all that about? I did a web search, and all I found were vague references... I found it weird that nothing specific seemed to be mentioned. Anybody have a clue on this?

PrettyInPink

06-01-2003, 03:28 PM

I wouldn't in any way whatsoever say Desiree "was asking for it",. I also know and completely understand there is date rape, there is a point when someone says NO at whatever point that is then you should stop. I completely agree with the fact many women can be in situations they have absolutely no control over and dont know how the hell they got there.

What I am saying, with or without evidence to back me up or looking up the actual facts of that evening is I BELIEVE, that this lady went to his room, with every intention and fully knowing there was going to be sex. I BELIEVE they did have sex together. I BELIEVE this lady cried rape afterwards. I BELIEVE she also had the whole thing planned, she didn't have sex with him then think "oh I know, lets accuse him of rape". This foul act was planned and executed in the way she wanted all along.

Maybe the reason she did it was not for her benefit alltogether. Maybe this was some sick way of her expressing whatever fucked up thing was going on in her mind. Many people do many things for different reasons, not always wise ones either. All I can say is that without the fact she accused and convicted Mike Tyson of rape on herself I would never ever have heard of the woman and wouldn't have missed anything either.

My whole point is that RAPE is probably one of the most ugly words anyone can ever speak. I think being a woman and knowing things that woman can accuse men of this foul act far too easily and they are in most cases believed. This to me is by far the worst thing a woman can ever ever do to a man. And the actual women who go through this terrifying ordeal are being humiliated and spat on by every false accuser in the world.

Im not saying Mike Tyson is an angel, I have already stated that the guy is a frightening man who myself I would never want to be involved with, but does that make him an even easier target for those sad sick women to prey on??????????

Lyle Waggoner

06-01-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by PrettyInPink
I wouldn't in any way whatsoever say Desiree "was asking for it",. I also know and completely understand there is date rape, there is a point when someone says NO at whatever point that is then you should stop. I completely agree with the fact many women can be in situations they have absolutely no control over and dont know how the hell they got there.
I'm glad that you're not insinuating that she was asking for it (and that you understand how date-rape works) - so you can see how whether or not she entered his room willingly is irrelevant to whether she was raped or not. It seems a lot of people are taking that to mean that she couldn't have been raped. Not surprisingly, whether she was raped or not, in terms of public opinion, she's experienced exactly the same kind of treatment your average (genuine) rape victim gets. Distrust, allegations of promiscuity or "looseness" (unless she was wearing only lingerie to a party, that's not what she was wearing when she entered Tyson's room), and having the roles of perpetrator and victim reversed, so that the alleged rapist (in this case, a violent sociopath and wife-beater) becomes the "victim" of a sad, sick woman, looking to exploit him. I don't really mind if people don't think it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that he raped her, but I sure wish we could lose all that other stuff, because it's not a defence.

What I am saying, with or without evidence to back me up or looking up the actual facts of that evening is I BELIEVE, that this lady went to his room, with every intention and fully knowing there was going to be sex. I BELIEVE they did have sex together. I BELIEVE this lady cried rape afterwards. I BELIEVE she also had the whole thing planned, she didn't have sex with him then think "oh I know, lets accuse him of rape". This foul act was planned and executed in the way she wanted all along.
I guess the question I would ask is, why, without evidence to back it up, or looking up the actual facts of that evening, would you believe that?

Personally, I'm agnostic. It's a "he said/she said" case, like so many rape cases are. Maybe he raped her, maybe he didn't. Even assuming that he and his defence team fucked up their case, I don't see how that suddenly jumps to "she set him up and he's innocent". Occam's razor says that the most irrational conclusion is that she embarked upon a conspiracy against him for reasons that nobody can explain.

Jim H

06-01-2003, 04:10 PM

She also cried rape on someone else earlier. There are women who do that, I have no idea why though.

Lyle Waggoner

06-01-2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Jim H
She also cried rape on someone else earlier. There are women who do that, I have no idea why though.
Not that this proves that she wasn't raped either, but do we actually know that this is true? I tried searching and couldn't find anything related to this.

Jon Lyrik

06-01-2003, 07:10 PM

What a sick, sick bastard.

Jim H

06-01-2003, 07:40 PM

Well, I really don't know one way or the other, but I have enough doubts that I would be hard-pressed to vote guilty. However, of course, I didn't watch the testimony or any of that other stuff.

The claims she'd said she's been raped before that was allegedly proven false, while it doesn't disprove her case, it casts doubt. There were enough holes in the story and missing pieces to give reasonable doubt, in my opinion.

I've heard the "crying rape" before Tyson story before, but I've been unable to substantiate it. I do remember reading about it when he was released in 1995, very vaguely. Can someone provide a link? I haven't been able to find one.

http://www.lsiscan.com/desiree_washington_s_interview_on_mike_tyson.htm

Wow, talk about overanalyzing.