Official thread: WES CRAVEN'S 'CURSED'

[SpaceMutt07]

Sorry if there is an official Cursed thread but I havent seen one....I just see random Cursed posts floating around.


Anyways, a little bit of news on the Wes Craven/Kevin Williamson werewolf flick CURSED---you know, the one that Craven promises will reinvent the werewolf genre? Personally I think Ginger Snaps did a helluva job doing just so, but anyways, here's some news and *sigh* the SCREAM 4 rumors start flying....again....

Bob Weinstein, co-founder of Dimension Films, recently issued a press statement that yes, Neve Campbell has signed on for 'Cursed', the Craven/Williamson werewolf flick due out next year. Not too surprising considering, but what is disturbing is the second part of the scoopage...


"Seems the only way they would let Neve sign on for 'Cursed', and judging by the amount of work she's had recently I'm betting she was starving for it, was if she agreed to appear in 'Scream 4', should it go into production within the next five years.

*Shudder*

Obviously, it's possible none of this is true and someone is handing out false info, though why they'd want to resurface 'Scream 4' rumors is beyond me, especially since slasher films have, thankfully, run their course again. And even if it is true, I'm not that concerned. As long as 'Cursed' doesn't waste the talents of Rick Baker and Scott Baio, I'm going to be a happy man come next year."

And, the obligatory pic of Neve Campbell....one of my personal favorite Scream Queens
:D

http://www.creature-corner.com/graphics4/nevecampbell.jpg

[Type_A]

I don't think those rumours are true. Rumours of her signing were mentioned months ago, but nothing came about it.......i'll bet it's just an old rumour floating about. Plus have you SEEN how filled out the cast is? It's big, i doubt there's even room for her to have a decent role. The only thing that springs to mind (and would be kinda ironic) would be if they tapped her to be the opening death, a la Drew Barrymore in Scream. However that role has already been filled (and filmed allegedly).........by


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Pop Singer/Actress/ All round Hottie Mandy Moore. It was rumoured for awhile and confirmed in Entertainment Weekly's annual It List, which said she had a "prominent role" or something like that.






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Does anyone know what role Christina Ricci has signed on for? I assumed it was going to be the lead female (who teams up with two male characters to try and break the curse). However i'm not sure......there really hasn't been many rumblings about this film despite the fact that it's already filming...........personally im not sure how i feel about it. Initially i was excited about the possibility of another potentional Williamson/Craven horror franchise (now that Scream has run it's course......hopefully). But a spoiler filled script review which appeared here recently made it seem like a rehash of the plot to The Faculty. Now i loved that film, but that doesn't mean i want another film that feels identical in terms of plot. Still maybe we'll see.............

[SpaceMutt07]

I heard that this was Mandy Moore's role. Spoilers, highlight to read:

***Mandy is the one that gets killed in an elaborate opening scene, ala Drew Barrymore in SCREAM...it says she plays herself, also, and she is the werewolve's first victim. ***
End spoilers.

[iDLEWiLD_fan]

i read on dark horizons not that long ago that wes craven and kevin williamson are under pressure becuase they are trying to rewrite and film a new ending to the flick in time for its release or something

[James Logan]

This little flick sure as hell sounds interesting...

[Gretchen_Ross]

here's (http://joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=49860&highlight=cursed) a script review i wrote awhile back of "cursed," if anybody's interested.

[JayWolf]

I think it sounds absolutely horrid. It's nothing but a horrid rehash of SCREAM and THE FACULTY. Williamson is now a hack in my book. He no longer has any original ideas, in my opinion. Not to mention I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF HORROR MOVIES WHERE THE WEREWOLVES ARE ALWAYS FUCKING EVIL! WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS EVIL!? NOT TO MENTION WOLVES THEMSELVES ARE NOTHING LIKE THAT! HELL, THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF REPORTS OF DEER RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE'S DEATHS AND KILLING PEOPLE WHEN THERE ARE NO REPORTS IN THE U.S. OF HEALTHY WOLVES ATTACKING PEOPLE WITHOUT BEING INVOKED TO!!! ENOUGH WITH THESE DAMN STUPID FUCKING EVIL WEREWOLF MOVIES! FUCK YOU, HOLLYWOOD! FUCK YOU!! There, I'm done... Sorry about that outburst, but I just had to vent.

[Ed]

I sure hope its good. I trust Kevin and Wes on this one, plus i really like Christina Ricci

[Inglorious]

I plan to see Cursed when it comes out. That's all I have to say!

[JayWolf]

I can definitely say I do NOT look forward to it, as you can tell in my previous post above.

http://www.duke.edu/~cferrer/eewolf7.jpg

[Terror Australis]

I like werewolf films, can't wait to check it out.

[bulletproof]

I also love WW movies.I will go see this one opening weekend,but I have a bad feeling this movie is Cursed.

[iDLEWiLD_fan]

i'm actually looking forward to this....i love Wes Craven flicks and i know alot of you don't but i love Kevin Williamson's work so i can't wait for Cursed :D

[JayWolf]

I'm sick of stereotypical evil werewolves and Kevin Williamson (his script is a total rehash of his previous films!). I'll pass...

Does anyone agree with me about how werewolves are always potrayed in these movies? Anyone? Or am I a lone wolf? :(

*goes into the woods to wallow*

[JayWolf]

I guess I am alone... a lone wolf...

*lone wolf walks away with his head hung down*

[iDLEWiLD_fan]

Originally posted by JayWolf
I guess I am alone... a lone wolf...

*lone wolf walks away with his head hung down*

no offence man but you're DAMN creepy

[JayWolf]

I was kidding around there.

But I am seriously sick of these damn werewolf movies potraying werewolves as mindless killing machines.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by Type_A


Does anyone know what role Christina Ricci has signed on for? I assumed it was going to be the lead female (who teams up with two male characters to try and break the curse).


I`m pretty sure she`s the lead - Cinescape.com said she got the lead.


This has a great cast, but something tells me this one is going to be more along the lines of "Shocker" and "Vampire In Brooklyn" than "Scream" or "New Nightmare".

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by JayWolf

But I am seriously sick of these damn werewolf movies potraying werewolves as mindless killing machines.


You mean like in "Dog Soldiers"? The werewolves were sorta just big vicious animals in that one.

I`m pretty sure "Cursed" is going to have people who turn into wolves a'la "The Howling".

[Seph]

can't say I'm at all excited about this. I'm not sold on ol' Kev.. the first Scream was pretty cool, since then it's been a downward slide, and this just looks like Scream given a werewolf makeover...

[Fear101]

i dunno i cant wait for this film. I love wes craven but even more i love Kevin Williamson and yes he has let me down more recently but he gave me scream 1/2 ,dawson's creek, glory days, and i know what you did last summer. And i loved those so im not ruleing him out, i love his dialog and how he puts alot of thought into his charectors. I'm not to into the cast though, love the mandy moore idea (hate that shes playing herself) and i like christina ricci but shes alittle old to be playing a teen and same goes for the rest of the cast and thats something that always bothers me with movies. I guess my biggest problem is SKEET ULRICH, he does not look 17 nor did he in scream although i did buy that but i dought i will this time around. I'm also not big on Wwolf films but you no i love wes and kevin so im DEFNETLY not gonna KNOCK IT until i see it. I know it will be good and i cant wait. SO IM EXCITED, LOL. Cant wait for the trailer thats what always gets me real excited.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by Fear101

i like christina ricci but shes alittle old to be playing a teen and same goes for the rest of the cast


I don`t think the characters are supposed to be teens here.
LOL, Richard Greico and Corey Feldman playing teens!

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by JayWolf
I was kidding around there.

But I am seriously sick of these damn werewolf movies potraying werewolves as mindless killing machines.

Dude....it's a werewolf movie. A MONSTER movie. Of course the werewolf is evil, it's the way it usually is. There has never been a nice werewolf (aside from Teen Wolf). Personally, if I'm going to see a werewolf movie, I want to see a werewolf tear shit up and kill people. A nice and kindly werewolf would be pretty....boring...and stupid, IMO.

Wolves may be nice in real life, but werewolves aren't wolves. Werewolves are man and wolf. And as we all know, man isn't exactly a nice species.

You might as well get tired of evil vampires and evil Frankensteins and evil Creatures From the Black Lagoons while you're at it.

[Fear101]

oh i guess i was wrong, lol sorry. I read at one of the websites that the lead girl was 16 and the guy was 17 and she was the popular girl and he was the dork. So i figured they were teens but then again there could of been a rewrite. Ya never know lol. Sorry for th false info though

[XCoRyX]

i dont know really what to think of this flick,i mean corey feldman,scott baio and robert forster,they are all badass,but hey now...the plot doesnt seem the greatest,but I want to check it out,so when trailers and pics become available,i will have better words.

[JayWolf]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Dude....it's a werewolf movie. A MONSTER movie. Of course the werewolf is evil, it's the way it usually is. There has never been a nice werewolf (aside from Teen Wolf). Personally, if I'm going to see a werewolf movie, I want to see a werewolf tear shit up and kill people. A nice and kindly werewolf would be pretty....boring...and stupid, IMO.

Wolves may be nice in real life, but werewolves aren't wolves. Werewolves are man and wolf. And as we all know, man isn't exactly a nice species.

You might as well get tired of evil vampires and evil Frankensteins and evil Creatures From the Black Lagoons while you're at it.

No offense man, but your argument is rather idiotic. First thing, I didn't say make werewolves oh so nice. What I meant is truly make them what they truly are, a man mixed with a wolf. A man with the appearance of a wolf, with wolf traits and instincts, but the mind of a man as well with a man's build. That means there can be mean ones, evil ones, good ones, confused ones, etc! That way they are actually developed, and not just these one dimensional killing machines. Also, have them remember what they do, like in SILVER BULLET. In fact, I kind of liked that movie because the werewolf did make some good points, had dimension to him, and reasons for his murders.

Not to mention, even if the person themselves is good, they become a killing machine when werewolf. How do you explain that? I mean, are you trying to tell me that ALL of mankind is evil, destructive, hellbent on murdering anyone they can, and even eating them, too. Not to mention this perspection of werewolves was invented in the old days with loads of religious wackos who found wolves the work of the devil for killing some of their sheep. Your argument really doesn't hold up.

Also, have you missed out on many of the movies these days or something? Vampires have been shown to to good, bad, etc. Remember INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE? Also, FRANKENSTEIN has also been potrayed not just evil either. Didn't you watch the 1994 FRANKENSTEIN? I haven't seen THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, but it's not like there have been many movies about that creature, either. Your argument still really doesn't have much ground.

Not to mention, wolves/werewolves not ripping things apart would be boring?! Have you ever read the novel, THE WILD, by Whitley Strieber, or read BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE, or seen the anime, WOLF'S RAIN? Unless you have, please don't comment that you know for a fact that a werewolf movie without them being evil would be boring.

I'm sorry, but your arguments truly do not hold up at all in my book.

Besides, wouldn't you be the slightest bit curious to see what goes through the werewolf's mind? I mean, it could still be horror, but with the roles reversed. The humans the ones trying to wipe the werewolf out, and the werewolf the portaganist trying to survive the ordeal. In fact, I had a dream where I was a werewolf, running down a paved road on a street during the day, being chased by a mob of people. I was so terrified, and I was getting tired, losing my speed, the mob slowing ganging on me. It was really scary. The only reason they were hunting me down was because they thought of me like in the legends when I was nothing like that, but like the werewolf I mentioned above.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by JayWolf
No offense man, but your argument is rather idiotic. First thing, I didn't say make werewolves oh so nice. What I meant is truly make them what they truly are, a man mixed with a wolf. A man with the appearance of a wolf, with wolf traits and instincts, but the mind of a man as well with a man's build. That means there can be mean ones, evil ones, good ones, confused ones, etc! That way they are actually developed, and not just these one dimensional killing machines. Also, have them remember what they do, like in SILVER BULLET. In fact, I kind of liked that movie because the werewolf did make some good points, had dimension to him, and reasons for his murders.

Not to mention, even if the person themselves is good, they become a killing machine when werewolf. How do you explain that? I mean, are you trying to tell me that ALL of mankind is evil, destructive, hellbent on murdering anyone they can, and even eating them, too. Not to mention this perspection of werewolves was invented in the old days with loads of religious wackos who found wolves the work of the devil for killing some of their sheep. Your argument really doesn't hold up.

Also, have you missed out on many of the movies these days or something? Vampires have been shown to to good, bad, etc. Remember INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE? Also, FRANKENSTEIN has also been potrayed not just evil either. Didn't you watch the 1994 FRANKENSTEIN? I haven't seen THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, but it's not like there have been many movies about that creature, either. Your argument still really doesn't have much ground.

Not to mention, wolves/werewolves not ripping things apart would be boring?! Have you ever read the novel, THE WILD, by Whitley Strieber, or read BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE, or seen the anime, WOLF'S RAIN? Unless you have, please don't comment that you know for a fact that a werewolf movie without them being evil would be boring.

I'm sorry, but your arguments truly do not hold up at all in my book.

Besides, wouldn't you be the slightest bit curious to see what goes through the werewolf's mind? I mean, it could still be horror, but with the roles reversed. The humans the ones trying to wipe the werewolf out, and the werewolf the portaganist trying to survive the ordeal. In fact, I had a dream where I was a werewolf, running down a paved road on a street during the day, being chased by a mob of people. I was so terrified, and I was getting tired, losing my speed, the mob slowing ganging on me. It was really scary. The only reason they were hunting me down was because they thought of me like in the legends when I was nothing like that, but like the werewolf I mentioned above.

Hey man, no need to bash the argument calling it idiotic. I'm man enough to admit, after reading your counter-point that I was wrong. I understand what you meant now.

Just to put some of my ideas in here: I don't think every werewolf movie has that good guy gone bad thing going on. Think of the original Wolfman, starring Lon Chaney. This movie was about a guy who did not want to become this creature, because he knew the animal instincts would take control and he would kill those he loved. He was ashamed of it, and wanted to end it. A man who is very ashamed indeed.

The Howling was full of the evil werewolves, I admit. But of course many of them were crazies to begin with, or at least were very angry people. The sympathetic and sad werewolf was found in Dee Wallace's character, who turned into a wolf to simply show everyone that her story was true, allowing herself to be killed in the process.

I think there are quite a few more werewolf movies with the qualities that you ask for. This one (Cursed) may not have it, but there are many werewolf movies that do.

And yeah, you got me on the vampires and Frankenstein as well, but I was just trying to come up with monsters on the spot. ;)

Sorry to misinterpret in my first post, bud. Hopefully you'll understand where I'm coming from as well in that werewolf movies usually try to contain both qualities (the evil one and the ashamed and frightened one).

I still prefer werewolves that tear shit up, though. :D

[JayWolf]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Hey man, no need to bash the argument calling it idiotic. I'm man enough to admit, after reading your counter-point that I was wrong. I understand what you meant now.

Just to put some of my ideas in here: I don't think every werewolf movie has that good guy gone bad thing going on. Think of the original Wolfman, starring Lon Chaney. This movie was about a guy who did not want to become this creature, because he knew the animal instincts would take control and he would kill those he loved. He was ashamed of it, and wanted to end it. A man who is very ashamed indeed.

The Howling was full of the evil werewolves, I admit. But of course many of them were crazies to begin with, or at least were very angry people. The sympathetic and sad werewolf was found in Dee Wallace's character, who turned into a wolf to simply show everyone that her story was true, allowing herself to be killed in the process.

I think there are quite a few more werewolf movies with the qualities that you ask for. This one (Cursed) may not have it, but there are many werewolf movies that do.

And yeah, you got me on the vampires and Frankenstein as well, but I was just trying to come up with monsters on the spot. ;)

Sorry to misinterpret in my first post, bud. Hopefully you'll understand where I'm coming from as well in that werewolf movies usually try to contain both qualities (the evil one and the ashamed and frightened one).

I still prefer werewolves that tear shit up, though. :D

It's ok, man. It's just I truly found it idiotic at first myself. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel.

I'm glad you see from my perspective as well.

You are right about THE HOWLING, but still the fact she got killed was a bitch (no pun intended =P).

I mean, I congratulate films that try to incorporate the elements in there, but most films don't do that. It makes me kind of angry that all these other icons in horror have gotten breaks, and not the werewolves. Hell, even zombies got a break in RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD 3. It's just annoying to see one of your favorites treated with such one dimensions so much. But still, THE WOLF MAN is wrong, No wolf has animal instincts THAT strong that they kill everything in sight for no real appearant reason.

[iDLEWiLD_fan]

isn't Cursed about a serial killer who was cursed and turned into a werewolf...coz if this is true then.....when hes a werewolf he'll kill and when human he'll still kill so they aren't really makin out the werewolf is a killing machine in this one...but don't quote me on that....i'm not sure

[IKE CARR]

While not the biggest fan of the whole "vampires are people too" Anne Rice deal, it doesn't all that bother me that werewolves are sometimes portrayed as the good guys in thier situation. Although I think it has been taken a little a weee bit too far in the Werewolf:The Apocalypse games with them being portrayed as "the Guardians of Mother Earth" stuff. Although my favorite literature involving the furry folk have portrayed them as good guys, but still they can be some of the most brutal son of bitches:D you'd ever want to meet. These books also don't seem to mind throwing a few evil wolves into the mix either, and from Grethcen's review, we might actually see two werewolve tear into each other like my male cats during mating season.

Here some good werewolf related literature that I liked ,and I hope you'll also enjoy.
The Werewolf Chronicles and Wolfsong by Traci Briery- detail the life of a L.A. dancer , who during a trip to the country is bitten by a werewolf, and tries to deal with the transformations. Also finds herself framed for the murder of roommate which takes up the last third of the first novel.
Dances With Werewolves by John Peel- Yeah its young adult horror , but I liked it, so sue me. The account of a high school chick who stops a serial killer terrorizing her hometown. Only she , her best bud, and her police chief aunt know the killer was a werewolf. However she then finds herself by another one.
Animals by John Skipp and Craig Spector- Now watch out this one tends to get rather hardcore with its descriptions. This one I'd call a cross between The Howling and Basic Instinct about a poor sap who falls madly into bed with with an off the scale hotty named Nora. However thier tempestuous affair is interupted by Nora's psycho boyfriend , Vic, who like Nora is a werewolf(Didn't see that one coming,did you?). :D

[SpaceMutt07]

All the recent news about this movie's bad luck is such a buzzkill. I was really looking forward to this, but now its just like watching someone putting roofies in a chick's drink behind her back and knowing what is to come...

[Elgyn]

I wouldn`t expect more than a fun time-waster out of this one...

[Final Girl]

Don't know if this was reported in another CURSED thread, but they have shut down production to rewrite and reshoot most of the film, at least as I heard. More in the latest EW.

Face it, Kevin Williamson needs to move on. He's like this pathetic wanna-be cool kid, has-been. Would be nice if he made some sort of attempt to evolve, but all CURSED sounds like is SCREAM with fur.

Looks like the movie is in trouble....

[thebloodfeaster]

JayWolf, I have a comment and a question.

SPOILERS FOR UNDERWORLD I felt the werewolves in this movie were the good guys. They got fucked over by the vampires, and the whole feud was in a large part due to the vampires not allowing the head guy's daughter to marry Lucian (the werewolf).


END SPOILERS

My question is about Whitley Strieber. You mentioned The Wild. Is this book a sequel to Wolfen or is it seperate? I want to know if it's ok to read The Wild before Wolfen because I can find The Wild much more easily.

[thebloodfeaster]

BUMP

[TheJadedGamer]

Heard about it from Gretchen Ross a couple of months back. I'll probably see it, if not I'll see it on DVD.

[countchocula]

Never has there been a more fitting title for a film...

http://www.creature-corner.com/news3/oct21cursed.php3

I've been hard on Craven for a couple of years now, but I'm rooting for him to part ways with Dimension. This project was fucked (perhaps that should have been the title) from the start.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Ok I can't think of anywhere I'd rather go to for help. First off, I'd like to say how royally fucked off I am that COREY FELDMAN has been axed. And secondly I think I'm starting to dislike CRAVEN, not just for that, but there appears to be no signs that OMAR EPPS is still a cast member of CURSED. He was originally cast, can someone tell me if he's still in it? Because according to the IMDB he is no longer!!

Did you guys know that OMAR EPPS refused to do any interviews etc for SCREAM 2 because apparantly he was promised a lead role and was fucked off when he realised he gets the DREW BARRYMORE treatment?!! He was barely listed in the credits and yet JADA PINKEET-SMITH gets her face on the fucking poster (guess that's what 30 seconds more screen time gets you!!)

If CRAVEN has screwed him over again that will piss me off. He's a fucking brilliant actor and has more experience than the majority of the cast. I mean, LANCE BASS from N-SYNC??!! COME ON WES!! Do you want this movie to fail????!!!

[countchocula]

Well, we don't know if it was his decision or not. He could simply be Dimension's reluctant marionette.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!

First off, I'd like to say how royally fucked off I am that COREY FELDMAN has been axed.


Has it been confirmed that Feldman is gone?

IMO, the only interesting thing about this project was the expansive and varied cast. Take that away, and I`m no longer interested.

[!MorganOnyx!]

ELGYN -

Yeah it has been confirmed. COREY FELDMAN shot a few scenes playing a drug dealer, but because of the script rewrite etc they decided his part was no longer relevant. The same thing has happened to SKEET ULRICH. His character has pretty much been straight swapped for a new character to be played by JOSHUA JACKSON.

Two main reasons I wanted to see this film was COREY FELDMAN and OMAR EPPS. If they're gone, I ain't all that bothered either.

[zZaNuBiZz]

Source: Fangoria

Variety reports that Dimension has settled (for now) on a number of debut dates for its 2004 genre films. Most pertinently, Wes Craven's much-delayed CURSED is currently slated for an October 1 release, while Renny Harlin's serial-killer trip MINDHUNTERS will be slashing onto screens June 4. Rather surprisingly, Jaume Balagueró's DARKNESS, which for a while didn't even look like it was going to make it to theaters, has now been given a prime summer slot: June 18. (No word on whether the director's THE NAMELESS, which Dimension also owns for the U.S., will see the light of big or small Stateside screens.) And finally, Terry Gilliam's supernatural epic THE BROTHERS GRIMM will be spooking the holiday season beginning November 19.

Meanwhile, it looks like MGM wants to give Dimension some competition: it has slotted Lucky (MAY) McKee's THE WOODS for October 1 as well. We'll see if either one blinks.

[Elgyn]

I think it`s time to start protesting in front of Miramax/Dimension`s offices.

With big signs that say "NO FELDMAN? NO WAY!"

[!MorganOnyx!]

ELGYN -

I agree. The thing that pisses me off is that child stars like COREY FELDMAN and COREY HAIM are all classed as novelty actors. Actors who were once a big success apparantly due to their cutesy good looks, bouffant hair do's and funny one liners, but are NOW classed as either past it, or just not good enough to obtain lead roles anymore. They're no longer flavour of the month.

So where the fuck does talent come into it??!! I thought that was what mattered?!! NO not in Hollywood. Anybody who has seen FELDMAN in STAND BY ME or HAIM in LUCAS will know these guys are more than capable of good acting, and just as capable as the MATT DAMONS and BEN AFFLECKS that curse our screens these days.

Hollywood - open your fucking eyes.