WHY FANGORIA SUCKS - New Issue

[Mojo67821]

To be honest, I was only introduced to this mag about 2 years ago, and frankly, I think it sucks.

Mainly that's because it's all one big piece of fluff. They take the biggest release coming out that month and shove their noses up the director's ass... even if it's obvious that it's going to be a piece of shit.

Now, on to their newest issue. They've put out a preview of the new issue, and it's all about 'Freddy Vs. Jason'. now, I'm just as excited as all of you for this flick, but they have a blaring omission in their coverage. Where's the article about Kane Hodder!!!

Man this guy has gotten royally shafted, and it bothers me that fans are forgetting about it.

I just did an interview with Jason X writer Todd Farmer (for my site) that will be online soon, where he talks very candidly about how from day one everyone involved with Freddy Vs Jason has not only badmouthed Jason X, but the entire Friday the 13th series. And that in his opinion, the only reason they didn't have Kane come back was because they were trying to sever ties with the rest of the series.

Anyways, back on topic, I just think that Fangoria has turned into an asskissing fluff piece every month, and that's why I now read Rue Morgue.

For the interested, here's the preview for their next issue:
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Here’s a first look at the cover for our Official FREDDY VS. JASON Movie Magazine, which covers everything you want to know about the big slasher brawl but were afraid to ask. The contents of the mag, which goes on sale August 5, are as follows:

STORY IN PICTURES “Freddy vs. Jason,” scene by terrifying scene!

THE MAKING OF “FREDDY VS. JASON” It took a frighteningly long time to get the two terror titans together.

ROBERT ENGLUND After a decade out of the ring, the Freddy actor is rested and ready for his big brawl.

KEN KIRZINGER The new Jason had no problem stepping into the masked maniac’s bloodstained boots.

POSTERS Two giant color pinups of the dueling villains!

RONNY YU For this director, putting the killers through their paces wasn’t as scary as meeting fans’ expectations.

THE ART OF “FREDDY VS. JASON” An exclusive peek at storyboards for the death match!

“FREDDY VS. JASON”: THE CAST Some will survive, some won’t, but these young stars all had fun along the way.

“FREDDY VS. JASON”: THE FX The monstrous makeup was only part of the illusions created for this spectacular battle.

HISTORY OF FREDDY Look back over a decade of cinematic “Nightmares.”

HISTORY OF JASON The “Friday the 13th” series kept audiences returning to summer camp year after year.

Plus a special contest to win an authentic FREDDY VS. JASON villain’s costume!
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[countchocula]

Originally posted by Mojo67821
Now, on to their newest issue. They've put out a preview of the new issue, and it's all about 'Freddy Vs. Jason'. now, I'm just as excited as all of you for this flick, but they have a blaring omission in their coverage. Where's the article about Kane Hodder!!!

It's not as if Fango dedicated an entire issue to FVJ. You aren't referring to the "new issue" (I received that in the mail yesterday); you're referring to an "Official Movie Magazine," which is a first for them (or at least the first in awhile). In the issue that I received yesterday, there's a sidepiece regarding Kane's plight. I haven't read all of it yet, but he seemed pretty fucking pissed off, and understandably so. Hardly a blaring omission. And I strongly doubt that he won't be mentioned several times in the FVJ mag. He doesn't garner his own article, however, as he isn't exactly affiliated with FVJ.

As far as Fango being a "fluff piece" is concerned, they cover just about every facet of the genre. Mainstream fare, foreign fare, "underground" fare, fare of new, fare of old, whatever. I don't see how anyone who reads Fango front-to-back could label it as a "fluff piece."

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by countchocula
It's not as if Fango dedicated an entire issue to FVJ. You aren't referring to the "new issue" (I received that in the mail yesterday); you're referring to an "Official Movie Magazine," which is a first for them (or at least the first in awhile). In the issue that I received yesterday, there's a sidepiece regarding Kane's plight. I haven't read all of it yet, but he seemed pretty fucking pissed off, and understandably so. Hardly a blaring omission. And I strongly doubt that he won't be mentioned several times in the FVJ mag. He doesn't garner his own article, however, as he isn't exactly affiliated with FVJ.

As far as Fango being a "fluff piece" is concerned, they cover just about every facet of the genre. Mainstream fare, foreign fare, "underground" fare, fare of new, fare of old, whatever. I don't see how anyone who reads Fango front-to-back could label it as a "fluff piece." As a new subscriber, but someone who has enjoyed the mag off and on for a few years now, I gotta side with the Count on this one about covering all aspects of the genre. However, mojo, I did post a similar comment about Fango being very "up" on every release that is coming out - however, I had others here reply that they're not afraid to turn around and bash the movie (if it indeed sucks) once it comes out. That said, how come I haven't gotten my new issue yet!?:eek:

[Jack_Cheze]

Come on now... FVJ is possibly a steaming pile of crap, but it's huge news for the horror community. I'll see it cuz' I'm a NMOES completist, I don't know why Freddy stopped being an interesting serial killer and ended up as a bad stand up comedian in 2. I thought F13th was cool, but other than that just plain pointless (how many ways can you NOT kill Jason before you just give up).

Don't blame Fango, they are just covering the potential biggest horror box office in a long time, and that box office will ensure there will be more budget for horror in the future.

[Fettdog]

I've been reading Fango for *cough* 17 *cough* years now, and I have to say that while they do get right behind any new film they're covering (and why not - Fango, like us, loves this genre and until proved otherwise - i.e. by a poor film - then I believe that they should give any new horror movie the maximum encouragement and hype), they aren't shy in then giving a film a poor or disappointing review if it merits it.

Often in the Eulogy section at the front of the mag there is a theme of disappointment in the most recent crop of horror movies, but this doesn't mean that Fango shouldn't get right in there and hype it to death (pun intended ;) ) while it's in production. I've said it in another thread previously, but I really do think that even when their films are given disappointing reviews by Fango (and they do give good reasons for branding a film/book disappointing) that genre directors do appreciate the feedback (and of course the initial coverage of their movie).

Regarding the latest hyping of FvsJ, I say why the hell not! :) It's the biggest event in the horror world for a good few years, and from the trailer and the articles I've read already, it might just deliver the goods...........

BTW count, back in the late 80s, Fango and a much missed mag called Gorezone used to regularly do movie specials and poster magazines - just thought you'd like to know! :)

[Haddonfield]

I had a Fango subsciption id say about 12 years ago....right around the time of there 100 issue (had freddy on the cover and was silver) Back then I thought it was great. Got a nice Myers centerfold in one issue and was an overall joy to read. I stop and read it at the supermarket or whatnot sometimes...seems like its the same mag but I cant say first hand.

[ofmknockoff]

I have always prefered Rue Morgue even though it is expensive and bi-monthly. Fangoria never seems to have enough reviews and it just seems to lack the excitement and sincerity of Rue. Also, Rue Morgue covers alot more than just movies and if I remember correctly, Fango only does movies and books.

[MisterTwister]

Fangoira kicks ass..great magazine. As for the whole Kane Hodder thing, i repect him and all and he did a great job playing Jason and all but it's not like he played him throughout the whole series! What about C.J. Graham(jason 6), Richard Brooker(Jason 3) etc.? They were all good Jason's but fans always talk about Kane Hodder. Hodder is great but i always dig Graham who played Jason in Jason Lives and was as great as Hodder. Hodder not being in Freddy Vs. Jason did'nt disapoint me it made me happy due to i wanted to see someone else play my favorite psycho besides Kane. Kane hodder was great but remember there was other JASON'S too.

[Mojo67821]

ya but that's not the point at all. Kane has made getting Freddy Vs. Jason made one of his priorities since the idea first surfaced. He's been out at every convention, down with the fans, and none of the other Jason's have done that. All he's ever wanted to do is make 'Freddy Vs. Jason', and no matter what the reason his being shafted is a total slap in the face to Friday the 13th fans.

Now on to Fango, admittedly, my first post was pretty much just a heated rant, but I still think that Fango sucks.

I agree with an earlier poster, there is just a lack of enthusiasm and sincerity in Fango that can be found in oodles in Rue Morgue. (by the way Fango is MUCH more expensive where I live).

Every issue I buy has a lame ass CGI image on the cover, or Michael Myers from that travesty Halloween 8... and the articles are all about made for TV flicks...

Personally anyways, I feel their coverage is not interesting, and does not focus on the things it should.

If Rue Morgue was more widely available, I firmly believe that it would be wiping the floor with Fango. Have you seen the new issue? A kick ass 'Day of the Dead' retrospective that even dominates the cover...Fango would NEVER do that.

[SpaceMutt07]

I really want to subscribe to Fangoria but its like 40 dollars for only 10 issues, and the mag's arent all that thick, so I think I'll just keep on reading them in the store.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Wow, I'm actually waiting for this mag! I want it so badly! I won't read it until after the movie though.

Matt

[Fettdog]

Originally posted by SpaceMutt07
I really want to subscribe to Fangoria but its like 40 dollars for only 10 issues, and the mag's arent all that thick, so I think I'll just keep on reading them in the store.

That's cheap!! Over here in the UK I pay the equivalent of $10 an issue! Worth every penny/cent though in my opinion, although I do agree that Rue Morgue is also a great horror mag too.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Mojo67821
Every issue I buy has a lame ass CGI image on the cover, or Michael Myers from that travesty Halloween 8... and the articles are all about made for TV flicks...

These are unfair generalizations. Regarding the covers, I agree that Rue Morgue decimates Fango, but CGI images? You're probably referring to the "shit weasel" cover a few issues back, but aside from that, what other "CGI" covers spring to mind? The Michael Myers cover...you weren't expecting them to brush H8 aside, were you? And that was only one issue anyway. Articles on made-for-TV flicks...on average, there are roughly 0.5 per issue, and some of them are actually interesting reads.

[Dignan]

Hmm...


I still like Fango(or like readin it in the supermarket anyway, cheap bastard I am) but i did stop reading Starlog a while back. And most "Official Movie Magazines" do suck. I stopped wasting my time with those a while back. But to blame Fango? Thats just ludicrous. Or Ludicriss.

Rue Morgue rocks all though, and whatever happened to Wicked? That was a classy horror magazine, and I miss it.

Both are superioir ton any Starlog publication anyways...

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Fettdog
BTW count, back in the late 80s, Fango and a much missed mag called Gorezone used to regularly do movie specials and poster magazines - just thought you'd like to know! :)

Yeah, Gorezone was a Fango offshoot, wasn't it? I've heard splendid things about it, but I was only 4-5 years old at the time of its short-lived tenure.

[Fettdog]

Originally posted by countchocula
These are unfair generalizations. Regarding the covers, I agree that Rue Morgue decimates Fango, but CGI images? You're probably referring to the "shit weasel" cover a few issues back, but aside from that, what other "CGI" covers spring to mind? The Michael Myers cover...you weren't expecting them to brush H8 aside, were you? And that was only one issue anyway. Articles on made-for-TV flicks...on average, there are roughly 0.5 per issue, and some of them are actually interesting reads.

Exactly right on the Fango covers count - just checked the last few and we've had Darkness Falls, 28 Days Later, Beyond Reanimator, House of 1000 Corpses and Cabin Fever, none of which were CGI creations.

I love Fango (and Rue Morgue for that matter), but each to their own! :)

[Mojo67821]

Alright I'll take you up on that challenge.

Exhibit A:

This is the most important because it was the EXACT moment when I gave up on Fangoria. Lord of the Rings should at most be a blurb in my fangoria, it is NOT a horror film, and does not deserve the cover and a huge article.

And if that's not a "glossy CGI" image, than I don't know what is:

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM209.jpg
And just for good measure, I went to Fangoria's archives and dug these up as well, some from the same period,and others more recently:

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM186.jpg
http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM204.jpg

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM211.jpg

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM215.jpg

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM221.jpg

I guess in the end, I just stopped feeling a connection when I read Fango. I stopped feeling like it was written by REAL horror fans, and I felt that it sold out.

That's just my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anyone who likes it by any means.

[Mojo67821]

And I just noticed that the cover with 'Blade II' on it has a blurb at the top for The Scorpion King! If that's not selling out I don't know what is!!!

I'm bored so I dug up some more:

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM159.jpg

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM163.jpg

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM164.jpg

http://www.fangoria.com/store/assets/prodimg/FM170.jpg

The point isn't really CG:I imgages though, somewhere between all the shitty 'Lost World' 'Scorpion King' 'Lord of the Rings' coverage I just realized that this barely passed as a horror mag anymore.

Sure they throw in a gratuitous gore image on the cover every once in a while, but one almost feels like it's just to prove they're still 'Horror', well I'm not buying it.

[myersfan31]

People SERIOUSLY need to get off of Kane Hodder. :rolleyes: He's gone and he was not the greatest Jason.

[Mojo67821]

Obviously you're not into LOYALTY, which is the main reason why the whole Kane Hodder thing is bullshit. Without Kane, Freddy Vs. Jason wouldn't have been made. People don't realize that he has been one of the main people lobbying for it all these years.

Without Kane, Friday the 13th series wouldn't have as large a cult following as it does today because he gave fans someone to latch on to. He gave fans someone to go out and talk to at conventions, and most of all he gave fans a personality, a face to the series that it doesn't have otherwise.

But regardless, that's not really the direction the thread had gone in anyways, if you had read the whole thing instead of just the first post you would realize that my main point is that I think Fangoria has turned into a crappy horror mag.

[biff_debris]

Dunno about now, but I read Fango way back at its beginning, when me and my buds used to get excited about The Boogeyman, Motel Hell, C.H.U.D. and The Brood among others -- it was pretty much the only decent link to these films before they were released, and offered a bit more than the teaser commercials you could see on late-night TV. Ahh, memories.

[countchocula]

Well, some of the covers you posted don't sport CGI images (Feardotcom, The Lost World). Some of the covers that do sport CGI images were culled from before the point in time that you "gave up" on Fango. Some of the films that those CGI images represent are fucking cool (Mars Attacks!, Deep Rising), and it's not Fango's fault that the filmmakers in question chose to communicate their creations through digital effects. They have to cover what's out there. Still, that's 6-7 CGI covers out of...215 or so?

I don't condone the coverage of non-horror films, but regardless, their Peter Jackson interview was great. He discussed his past work in addition to LOTR (I'll assume that you didn't read the article). The Scorpion King...I can't justify that, but they could have easily thrown The Rock onto the cover instead of a badass Reaper. As far as "selling out" is concerned, I call it "widening appeal" and introducing consumers who wouldn't normally pick up a horror mag to our beloved genre. I'm sure that they've dragged a few mainstream moviegoers into our territory. Converting the "non-believers," if you will. Would you say that JoBlo has "sold out" since he's added quite a few forums to this site that have nothing to do with movies? Again, I'd say that it's a form of expansion. Fango is still a cool horror mag, and JoBlo.com is still a cool movie site.

[Mojo67821]

well apperantly i'm alone in not liking Fango anymore, that's okay. I'll just take my copy of Rue Morgue and go read in the closet

And for the record those other covers that I posted I just got by browsing on the site.

[countchocula]

You're not alone. I've read a thousand other "sell out" claims. I dig Rue Morgue, but I don't see the point in choosing one over the other. Enjoy both. They offer different angles in the same field. You can have your cake and eat it, too.

[myersfan31]

Originally posted by Mojo67821
Obviously you're not into LOYALTY, which is the main reason why the whole Kane Hodder thing is bullshit. Without Kane, Freddy Vs. Jason wouldn't have been made. People don't realize that he has been one of the main people lobbying for it all these years.

Without Kane, Friday the 13th series wouldn't have as large a cult following as it does today because he gave fans someone to latch on to. He gave fans someone to go out and talk to at conventions, and most of all he gave fans a personality, a face to the series that it doesn't have otherwise.

But regardless, that's not really the direction the thread had gone in anyways, if you had read the whole thing instead of just the first post you would realize that my main point is that I think Fangoria has turned into a crappy horror mag.
I don't really care if you like Fangoria or not. :) Whatever you think is fine with me.

But I think Kane didn't do anything. He talked to HORROR fans at horror conventions, he didn't change the world.

[Mojo67821]

that's fine, but I felt like your post was a very sarcastic jab at me for starting the thread. I believe that all the stuff that Kane has done for the series warranted him NOT getting the shaft, but hey, that's just me.

[ANTBond007]

I'll be frank. I'm glad Hodder's gone. His interview in the latest Fango showed him to be an arrogant prick who thinks he's the only one who can play a character who doesn't even speak. Good riddance.

[countchocula]

You must not have read the same interview that I did. He realizes that he can be replaced, but for the reasons Mojo stated above, he doesn't appreciate being fucked over. He has every right to be as livid as he is. All the same, it's time to let the Hodder "controversy" go, and welcome Kirzinger with open arms. Unless Kirzinger's performance is lacking, points shouldn't be detracted from the film because of Hodder's absence.

[ANTBond007]

No, I read the same interview, you must have just missed the part where he says that he's the only one who will play the part well or put any effort into it. Or that he was replaced because of a conspiracy theory on New Line's part to make Jason a closer size to Freddy for Krueger to win, even though Kirzinger is much bigger than Kane.

So I say again, good riddance. His performance was rather terrible in Jason X anyway.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
No, I read the same interview, you must have just missed the part where he says that he's the only one who will play the part well or put any effort into it.

You can't blame him for being bitter. He has a sentimental attachment to the role, and he probably does feel like no other actor will be quite as committed to it as he was.

As far as his performance in Jason X being "terrible” is concerned, if it's so easy to play a character sans dialogue and facial expressions, how can one performance be better than the other? Aren't they all just lumbering around with a machete in hand? Or does it actually take talent to get it just right?

[ANTBond007]

I don't care if he's bitter or not. He's a cocky son of a bitch who doesn't deserve the role. Any chance he had of playing Jason in the future, which he's said he wants to do, is now gone.

How can some of you call Hodder the real Jason, and then bring something up like "How could he be bad in Jason X? All he has to do is walk." Hodder was bad in Jason X because his body shape was all wrong, his breathing methods were laughable, and though it's not his fault, the makeup was terrible.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
I don't care if he's bitter or not. He's a cocky son of a bitch who doesn't deserve the role. Any chance he had of playing Jason in the future, which he's said he wants to do, is now gone.

How does he not deserve the role? He has (successfully) played it a few times before, and has put more effort into it than all of the other Jason actors combined. What other prerequisites are there?

How can some of you call Hodder the real Jason, and then bring something up like "How could he be bad in Jason X? All he has to do is walk."

I was scrutinizing your contradictions with that comment, but I guess that you didn't catch onto it. Some genre fans claim that the role of Mr. Voorhees doesn't require any talent whatsoever, and then they'll rebuke/revere certain performances. Obviously, it does require some degree of talent. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to tell the performances apart. Someone is doing it well, and someone isn't.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Mojo67821

I just did an interview with Jason X writer Todd Farmer (for my site) that will be online soon, where he talks very candidly about how from day one everyone involved with Freddy Vs Jason has not only badmouthed Jason X, but the entire Friday the 13th series. And that in his opinion, the only reason they didn't have Kane come back was because they were trying to sever ties with the rest of the series.


Farmer visits the F13.com forum frequently, and I've never seen a post where he has said such. And if he does say it, I wouldn't totally believe it. He had no part in the making of the movie at all, and I doubt he knows anything of what went on on set.

And I highly doubt the cast bashed the entires. Jason X, maybe. But not the whole series, especially considering that without the series there would be no F vs. J.

[ANTBond007]

I never said that Jason is an easy role. I'm saying that it's a role that can be played by several people, and for some reason Kane Hodder thinks he's the only person who can play the maniac with a mask. There's a reason the films' credits don't begin with "Kane Hodder in..."

[ERIN_LoJ]

Mojo - you're not alone. I am not as big a fan as Fangoria as I wish I could be.

However I would read it if around...I tried ordering a yearly subscription...sent the money, they didn't send the magazine. Called, they said they'd send that along with some back issues for the very long wait I had went through, but it still never came. Finally canceled and got the money returned on my card. I would love to get a year sub one day but...

I have never seen Rue but am really curious about it.

[Mojo67821]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Farmer visits the F13.com forum frequently, and I've never seen a post where he has said such. And if he does say it, I wouldn't totally believe it. He had no part in the making of the movie at all, and I doubt he knows anything of what went on on set.


Okay, a few things about that particular comment. First of all, I stated VERY CLEARLY that he said it in an interview with me, if you don't believe me try going to this link:

www.bghorror.topcities.com/interviewtodd.html

Read it and then come back.

Second of all, the fact that they're badmouthing Jason X is a fact because in the issue of Rue Morgue where Ronnie Yu is interviewed he makes a very sarcastic jab at the film saying something to the effect of (I'm paraphrasing here) , "don't worry, our film won't be like Jason X, it will be good".

Now if that isn't badmouthing Jason X than I don't know what is. Add to that the fact that reviewers claim the film feels more like a "Nightmare film" with Jason thrown in, and it doesn't sound too far fetched that they were trying to distance themselves from the series.

On another note, I have a response to the people thankful that Kane is gone, personally, I would rather ONE guy play Jason every time so it doesn't turn into a FRIGGING JOKE like the once respectable Halloween series, where every film the mask and guy look completely different. The last two Michael's were laughable at best.

[CrazyKillah]

I've been reading this back and forth for a while now and I now feel compelled to throw in my two since... personally, I couldn't care less if the creators of Freddy vs Jason were badmouthing Jason X. IMHO, that movie was a fucking turd... and not even a turd that could float. Fucking garbage. I hate when they try to make horror movies comedies!!! There, now I feel better.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Mojo67821
Now if that isn't badmouthing Jason X than I don't know what is. Add to that the fact that reviewers claim the film feels more like a "Nightmare film" with Jason thrown in, and it doesn't sound too far fetched that they were trying to distance themselves from the series.

Well, if I were FVJ, I'd try to distance myself from the F13 series, too. The masses don't take Jason seriously anymore, and this flick deserves esteem. Freddy can still be scary, and I imagine that Yu milked him for all he's worth. Sounds good to me.

[CrazyKillah]

Hey Count,
Nice rack!:p
Sorry, couldn't resist!

[Mojo67821]

Originally posted by countchocula
Well, if I were FVJ, I'd try to distance myself from the F13 series, too. The masses don't take Jason seriously anymore, and this flick deserves esteem. Freddy can still be scary, and I imagine that Yu milked him for all he's worth. Sounds good to me.

While I respect that you kept your argument civil (several others in this thread haven't really done that) I must wholly disagree.

To say that the masses don't take Jason serious is a valid argument, but if they do not, they CERTAINLY do not take Freddy seriously. In my opinion Freddy has NEVER been scary except maybe a few moments in the original 'Nightmare'. I just think there's no way you can say that the public thinks Freddy is scary and Jason is not...to be honest I truly believe that they think both of them are jokes, which is why I wonder about the success of this film.

And for the record I'd like to say that this is one wild thread, it keeps jumping back and forth but I am very much enjoying it, so let's keep it civil people.

Touch gloves and come out fightin!

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Mojo67821
To say that the masses don't take Jason serious is a valid argument, but if they do not, they CERTAINLY do not take Freddy seriously. In my opinion Freddy has NEVER been scary except maybe a few moments in the original 'Nightmare'. I just think there's no way you can say that the public thinks Freddy is scary and Jason is not...to be honest I truly believe that they think both of them are jokes, which is why I wonder about the success of this film.

Freddy’s a semi-joke, but he gets more respect from the public than any other horror icon. Is that saying much? Probably not, but credit the masses for realizing that the NOES franchise is more imaginative and in some cases, classier than F13. Non-horror junkies can appreciate that, so they’ll go into this film with more of an open mind than if they were going into yet another F13 installment. Perhaps “scary” wasn’t the apposite term. Let’s go with “reputable.” Freddy is still somewhat reputable in the eyes of the public, whereas Jason is not.

And yeah, I haven’t a fucking clue what this thread’s about, but it’s quite enjoyable. :D

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Hey Count,
Nice rack!:p
Sorry, couldn't resist!

LOL, thanks!

[Mojo67821]

Okay, but I still disagree.

Jason never went on talk shows and did commercials...I still think Freddy is more of a joke to the public at large...at least Jason never cracked any lame one-liners...but I guess we differ on that...that's alright.

I still love ya Count

[countchocula]

I was referring to the films themselves, not the characters. Obviously, Freddy is the more comedic villain, but mainstream moviegoers don't see the NOES flicks as mindless, ignominious "body count" parades that cuddle clichés. That's society's collective image of a F13 film. Everyone holds Freddy to a (marginally) higher standard.

Anyway, I love you, too. In a sexual, non-manly way.

[Mojo67821]

lol, thanks count.

[Fettdog]

Originally posted by Mojo67821
Jason never went on talk shows and did commercials...I still think Freddy is more of a joke to the public at large...at least Jason never cracked any lame one-liners...

I personally think that the major difference between the two characters (and this is not dissing either of them, as you'll see....) is that one has a personality, has become a part of 'pop culture' as a whole and has starred in a series of reasonably successful movies that the general public (i.e. Mr and Mrs Joe Average) would probably go and see, while the other is, and always has been. portrayed as a soulless, lumbering killing machine who has starred in (in the general public's perception) a 'bunch of repetitive slasher flicks'.

(I think you can work out who is who, and if not, then you're probably on the wrong board! ;) )

However, of those non-Schmoes that know the two characters, the fact that Freddy does have a wise-cracking personality (and has appeared on MTV and countless talkshows) has robbed him of any threat that he may once have possessed in the first movie (and the only really scary one IMO, although I love them all). Jason, on the other hand, never speaks, never does anything even remotely funny, and basically only exists to kill people without any particular motive, which makes him a far scarier prospect.

The trouble with Jason, though, is that apart from the first Friday, the rest of the series hasn't been that good (although I do like the movies, but I'm trying to be objective from a non-Schmoe point of view here).

OK, what was my point, you cry? Errm, I'm not sure - just that I think the general public think of both characters as just 'those horror movie guys'. :D

Excellent thread though, and kudos to you Schmoes for keeping this heated debate a clean fight! :)