This Weeks B.O (July 14th-20th)

[movies35]

MONDAY'S TOP 10

1.) Pirates of the Carribian 7,504,567
2.) League of Extrordinary Gentalmen 2,558,835
3.) Terminator 3 2,167,496
4.) Leagally Blonde 2 1,650,107
5.) Finding Nemo 1,305,798
6.) Charlie's Angel's 948,518
7.) 28 Days Later 645,837
8.) Sinbad 633,654
9.) Hulk 364,572
10.) Italian Job 364,572

[AgentSmith]

You beat me to it!!!

Oh well...

Nice numbers for Pirates...

It looks like it will have REAL staying power...

[Crowd]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
You beat me to it!!!

Oh well...

Nice numbers for Pirates...

It looks like it will have REAL staying power...

Hey, this is off topic. But, your icon looks more like Rob Zombie, than Gandulf the grey.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Pirates did phenomenal. Wow. Not too bad for T3 either...

[The Other]

Those are impressive Monday numbers for "PIRATES".

[AgentSmith]

Tuesday's Numbers

1. Pirates of the Carribean:Curse of the Black Pearl - 7.35 Million
2. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - 2.45 Million
3. Termintor 3:Rise of the Machines - 2.21 Million
4. Legally Blonde 2:Red, White and Blonde - 1.75 Million
5. Finding Nemo - 1.40 Million
6. Charlie's Angels:Full Throttle - 1.04 Million
7. 28 Days Later - .646 Million
8. The Hulk - .502 Million
9. The Italian Job - .408 Million
10. Bruce Almighty - .342 Million

[Horror whore]

Good to see Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle not doing too bad....

[The Other]

I smell a sequel to Pirates of the Caribbean. It's holding up extremely well during the week. Usually films drop significantly from Monday to Tuesday, but it's grossed almost exactly the same amount on Tuesday as it did on Monday.

[Mike]

Whoa, PIRATES had an extremely small drop on Tuesday. Usually movies that were just released the weekend before and opened big see drops each day of the week, but they are usually bigger. And for such a big Monday gross, I'm surprised it didn't drop that much. It made almost as much as it did on Monday. Jesus, that's very impressive.

[bob]

I will join the masses of people who are surprised at Pirates business. Personally, I'm glad. More money equals better chance of a sequel. A sequel equals more Jack Sparrow. More Jack Sparrow equals a happy bob.

[AgentSmith]

Didn't anyone read this on good ol' Joblo??

Happy with the success of PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN this past weekend, Disney has already begun work planning a sequel. Arrangements have already been made with stars Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley and producer Jerry Bruckheimer and director Gore Verbinski. Talks are currently underway with writers Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio to write the first draft for the sequel, although no official plot has been set. What this means for DreamWorks's plans to sequelize THE RING is unsure as PIRATES 2 may take up too much of Verbinski's time. Knightley recently signed on to co-star with Jude Law in TULIP FEVER and Depp has ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO set for release this September. I should add that it's ironic that part of PIRATES success may have come from the fact it was one of the few non-sequels this summer inundated with Part 2's and here were are planning another go round. Maybe in 2005, PIRATES 2 will disappoint a la CHARLIE'S ANGELS and make way for another film to succeed...

[movies35]

Wednesday's Number...

1.) Pirates 7,056,602
2.) League of Extraordnary Gentlemen 2,265,707
3.) Terminator 3 2,042,208
4.) Legally Blonde 2 1,651,289
5.) Finding Nemo 1,453,853
6.) Charlie's Angels 1,005,626
7.) Sinbad 762,915
8.) 28 Days Later 593,920
9.) Hulk 489,250
10.) Italian Job 394,934

[Frank the Tank]

Wow! Pirates is doing amazing.

[Freeway]

I can't believe how well the overlong POTC is doing. LXG :cool: is holding up fine but T3 is dropping and may not even make 150 at this pace. There will not be a T4 I'm guessing. Damn. T3 is a much better movie than POTC. Stupid moviegoing public.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Freeway
Stupid moviegoing public.

:rolleyes:

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by dh1989
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

[Freeway]

Originally posted by Horror whore
:rolleyes:

Yeah, I think that it would be obvious to most anyone that I was referring to those who continue to make POTC a hit and T3 an underperformer, not the whole moviegoing public!:rolleyes::

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Freeway
Yeah, I think that it would be obvious to anyone smart that I was referring to those who continue to make POTC a hit and T3 an underperformer, not the whole moviegoing public!

So anyone who supports Pirates of the Caribbean more than T3, in terms of ticket purchase, is stupid? Tell me 'Freeway', do you know any good special education instructors? I guess I need to take lessons from one, since I'm 'stupid'.... :rolleyes:

[Mike]

Holy crap! I'm really amazed at how well Pirates has done. I never expected it to be such a huge hit before it opened. And whoa, those weekday numbers are really impressive.

I wish T3 was doing better though. It was so awesome! It deserves more. I just can't figure this out. What a shame!

[Tom Samborski]

Don't blame the movie-going public for how T3 is doing Freeway. I think its gross is impressive for an action star whose box-office draw has gotten weaker and weaker. I expected more from a Terminator film though. If box-office is an indication, I blame WB's PATHETIC marketing job for the film. They marketed The Matrix Reloaded to the maximum point, and they market T3 like it's just another summer film. It's NOT another summer film, it is a great extenstion to the series that has actually gotten better reviews then a lot of the shit that has been released so far. WB's marketing team behind T3 are nothing but a bunch of corporate fuckheads IMO. In all honesty, I think T3 would have been marketed much better if it was released by any other studio than fucking Warner Bros, who don't know jackshit how much of a fucking fan base the Terminator franchise has. This is FUCKING Terminator, it deserves MUCH better promotion and marketing than it's getting right now.

[dh1989]

Tom, I agree 125%! The TV spots for T3: Rise of the Machines are awful. They show a few explosions, and the film's title. One even tried to show off "Talk to the hand!" They could've done a lot better with them, like setting them to epic music, showing more action, and making more overall! It's disappointing box office should be attributed to bad marketing. I guess they just care more for Neo. :rolleyes:

[Tom Samborski]

They don't even realize that a majority of the "normal" movie-going public, and online critics like T3 BETTER than The Matrix Reloaded. I liked The Matrix Reloaded. I loved T3. There is a big difference between whether you liked a movie or loved a movie. The folks at WB are just a bunch of Matrix-loving idiots, who are probably thinking "Hey, let's only pay attention to our beloved Matrix sequels. As for all the other films coming out, fuck em', who cares if they liked them better than T3." Because of this, I may boycott seeing The Matrix Revolutions in theaters out of sympathy for the great T3.

[optimus1]

LOL , you will be on that matrix revolutions theater line like everyone else :P I am not gonna blame the Warchowski's for warner brothers ineptness.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by optimus1
LOL , you will be on that matrix revolutions theater line like everyone else :P I am not gonna blame the Warchowski's for warner brothers ineptness.

Who was blaming Andy & Larry Wachowski? Boycotting The Matrix Revolutions will not hurt them. They're not the ones who put 150 million into the film. It'd hurt the good ol' WB.

But, you're right, I am sucker for the finales, and I won't miss the final chapter in the saga of 'The One'.

[AgentSmith]

Why does everyone worry that T4 will not be made??

Once you factor in overseas and video sales, I would not be surprised if the final gross is 2X to 3X its budget...

Arnold is a HUGE star overseas...

[dh1989]

You're right, AgentSmith.

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is, pun fully intended, terminating the box office around the world. Just read this report from Box Office Mojo, by way of TheArnoldFans.Com.......

"It was Terminator 3's weekend thanks to outstanding debuts in Asia and Latin America and continued strength in Russia. In Japan Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines grossed $12.5m (¥1.458bn) on 550 prints under distributor Toho-Towa becoming the market's sixth-highest opening film ever. Excluding previews the film grossed $9.5m (July 12 and 13) breaking the all time Toho record set by Spirited Away. Toho expects T3 to top T2's $49m, grossed in 1991.

Released elsewhere by Sony the Arnold Schwarzenegger starrer grabbed $1.3m on 249 screens in Thailand (a record for a Hollywood film and the industry's second biggest behind Suriyothai), $1.15m on 66 in Hong Kong, $856,000 on 54 in Malaysia (the territory's third best), $789,000 on 121 in the Philippines (10th largest), and $750,000 on 50 in Singapore (No. 11 of all time). Across the Pacific the Jonathan Mostow-helmed picture racked up $806,000 in five days on 96 in Argentina, including Tuesday night previews (second-largest ever behind The Matrix Reloaded in local currency) and $262,000 on 45 in Chile.

Russia fell a reasonable 38% after its record preem, minting $2m over the weekend for a hefty $7.5m to date. All told T3 amassed $20.4m on nearly 1,600 screens in 13 markets (excluding its United Arab Emirates debut, for which figures weren't available), driving its total to $27.5m."

Despite lackluster domestic receipts, the ca-ching at cash registers around the world should get all the international funders excited again, which means they'll be quick to sign off on a sequel. A T4 will happen, regardless of whether or not it is considered a huge success in America. The question is, will the WB pay for distribution rights in America again? If not, will it be S.T.V. here?

[Tom Samborski]

Originally posted by dh1989
Who was blaming Andy & Larry Wachowski? Boycotting The Matrix Revolutions will not hurt them. They're not the ones who put 150 million into the film. It'd hurt the good ol' WB.

But, you're right, I am sucker for the finales, and I won't miss the final chapter in the saga of 'The One'.

In all honesty, I don't care what happens in the finale anymore. Some of my thoughts on those LONG talking scenes about philosophy in The Matrix Reloaded made me think "Okay, enough chit chat, enough talk about how can air freeze into ice", just give me some damn action scenes already. I didn't even get the ending, which means if The Matrix Revolutions is the finale, we will most likely have a long, confusing ending. T3's ending was easy to understand because it least had some damn narration and visuals to guide it to explain what happened.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by Tom Samborski
Don't blame the movie-going public for how T3 is doing Freeway. I think its gross is impressive for an action star whose box-office draw has gotten weaker and weaker. I expected more from a Terminator film though. If box-office is an indication, I blame WB's PATHETIC marketing job for the film. They marketed The Matrix Reloaded to the maximum point, and they market T3 like it's just another summer film. It's NOT another summer film, it is a great extenstion to the series that has actually gotten better reviews then a lot of the shit that has been released so far. WB's marketing team behind T3 are nothing but a bunch of corporate fuckheads IMO. In all honesty, I think T3 would have been marketed much better if it was released by any other studio than fucking Warner Bros, who don't know jackshit how much of a fucking fan base the Terminator franchise has. This is FUCKING Terminator, it deserves MUCH better promotion and marketing than it's getting right now.

You're right. It just angers me how poorly such a great film is doing. I wish Sony had the domestic rights like they have the overseas rights because they did a much better job of marketing it than Warner Brothers did. I mean, look at the international trailer, it is much better than the domestic one Warner put out.
I mean, Fox did a better job marketing LXG than Warner did marketing a much more marketable product.

[AgentSmith]

Thursday's Numbers

1. Pirates of the Carribean:Curse of the Black Pearl - 6.43 Million
2. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - 2.01 Million
3. Termintor 3:Rise of the Machines - 1.83 Million
4. Legally Blonde 2:Red, White and Blonde - 1.38 Million
5. Finding Nemo - 1.28 Million
6. Charlie's Angels:Full Throttle - .866 Million
7. Sinbad:Legend of the Seven Seas - .643 Million
8. 28 Days Later - .520 Million
9. The Hulk - .450 Million
10. The Italian Job - .353 Million

[Jedi]

Some big drops in Thursday's numbers. The good part for me is that Hulk's had the smallest drop in the top 10.

[Frank the Tank]

Pirates is still doing awesome

[The Other]

Wow, FOUR days in a row of about $7 million during the week. PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN is going to have strong legs, I'd say.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by Freeway
You're right. It just angers me how poorly such a great film is doing. I wish Sony had the domestic rights like they have the overseas rights because they did a much better job of marketing it than Warner Brothers did. I mean, look at the international trailer, it is much better than the domestic one Warner put out.
I mean, Fox did a better job marketing LXG than Warner did marketing a much more marketable product.

I agree, i think this movie isnt performing as well as it should bcuz of the terrible promotions. Most of the people I kno were shocked when i told them how good i thought it was. My friend said it best "it was amazing?? but the commercials are crap!".

However, maybe thats y feedback is so positive. This movie did look pretty crappy, when we got a good film, many were surprised. With Matrix, ads made the movie look phenomenal (which it is was IMO) but a lot of people were not satisfied with the final product. Maybe views/opinions would be different if that movie looked crappy too and vica versa with T3. just sumthin to think about...

[Mike]

FRIDAY'S NUMBERS


1) Bad Boys II
Gross: $17.422 mil ($5468 per-screen) - 3186 theaters
Total: $17.422 mil

2) Pirates of Caribbean
Gross: $10.403 mil ($3097 per-screen) - 3359 theaters
Total: $109.375 mil

3) Johnny English
Gross: $3.065 mil ($1371 per-screen) - 2236 theaters
Total: $3.065 mil

4) LXG: League of...
Gross: $3.002 mil ($1000 per-screen) - 3002 theaters
Total: $35.376 mil

5) Terminator 3
Gross: $2.870 mil ($843 per-screen) - 3404 theaters
Total: $121.436 mil

6) How to Deal
Gross: $2.756 mil ($1188 per-screen) - 2319 theaters
Total: $2.756 mil

7) Finding Nemo
Gross: $2.392 mil ($964 per-screen) - 2480 theaters
Total: $298.912 mil

8) Legally Blonde 2
Gross: $2.189 mil ($683 per-screen) - 2305 theaters
Total: $71.521 mil

9) Charlie's Angels 2
Gross: $1.207 mil ($534 per-screen) - 2261 theaters
Total: $86.630 mil

10) 28 Days Later
Gross: $.739 mil ($564 per-screen) - 1310 theaters
Total: $31.596 mil

[Mike]

These numbers suck!

Bad Boys 2 made too much and Johnny English and How To Deal made too little.

Pirates held up really well though, really really well.

Bad Boys 2 will see a drop for sure on Saturday.

[Tom Samborski]

I definitely think Bad Boys II is going to be an extremely frontloaded sequel. It will have a strong opening weekend, but weak legs IMO. People are starting to get tired of sequels.

[Mike]

With my calculations Bad Boys 2 should make around 44.822 Million this weekend.

Johnny English should make around 10 Million. And How To Deal should make around 8-9 Million.


These were my predictions:


"BAD BOYS 2"

Friday - 14.7 Million
Saturday - 13.1 Million
Sunday - 10.1 Million

Total - 37.9 Million


"JOHNNY ENGLISH"

Friday - 4.7 Million
Saturday - 5.0 Million
Sunday - 3.8 Million

Total - 13.5 Million


"HOW TO DEAL"

Friday - 5.1 Million
Saturday - 5.2 Million
Sunday - 3.8 Million

Total - 14.1 Million

[Nate6]

Ha ha ha! Die, How to Deal, die!

[Freeway]

Originally posted by Mike
FRIDAY'S NUMBERS


1) Bad Boys II
Gross: $17.422 mil ($5468 per-screen) - 3186 theaters
Total: $17.422 mil

2) Pirates of Caribbean
Gross: $10.403 mil ($3097 per-screen) - 3359 theaters
Total: $109.375 mil

3) Johnny English
Gross: $3.065 mil ($1371 per-screen) - 2236 theaters
Total: $3.065 mil

4) LXG: League of...
Gross: $3.002 mil ($1000 per-screen) - 3002 theaters
Total: $35.376 mil

5) Terminator 3
Gross: $2.870 mil ($843 per-screen) - 3404 theaters
Total: $121.436 mil

6) How to Deal
Gross: $2.756 mil ($1188 per-screen) - 2319 theaters
Total: $2.756 mil

7) Finding Nemo
Gross: $2.392 mil ($964 per-screen) - 2480 theaters
Total: $298.912 mil

8) Legally Blonde 2
Gross: $2.189 mil ($683 per-screen) - 2305 theaters
Total: $71.521 mil

9) Charlie's Angels 2
Gross: $1.207 mil ($534 per-screen) - 2261 theaters
Total: $86.630 mil

10) 28 Days Later
Gross: $.739 mil ($564 per-screen) - 1310 theaters
Total: $31.596 mil

Mike, where did you get those numbers because box office mojo has the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in third, with 3.38 million, and JE in fourth with 3.11 million. A pretty decent hold for LXG considering all the competition.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

wow these #s blow. Bad Boys 2 should not hav made so much, i think it looks just plain bad, unecessary, a cash-in. It also sux that T3 couldnt pick up a little more, I saw it again last nite, the small theater was half full.

[movies35]

These are horrible numbers. I wish JE made even less though... I wished it bombed in American, but it isn't.

I'm glad Finding Nemo is doing good, it deserves every penny!

It sucks How To Deal bombed---almost. I hope it does good on Saturday.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Nate6
Ha ha ha! Die, How to Deal, die!

I agree 3000%! ;)

I'm glad Bad Boys II did so well, I was getting sick of all these blockbusters performing under expectations...

[movies35]

Originally posted by Horror whore


I'm glad Bad Boys II did so well, I was getting sick of all these blockbusters performing under expectations...

I know... it's too bad that sucky movies do sucky at the box office. ;)

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by movies35
I know... it's too bad that sucky movies do sucky at the box office. ;)

"With your taste, it seems like it. ;)
Everyone has their own taste if movies."


You said that so someone else in the How To Deal thread so I thought it applied here as well.

[movies35]

Originally posted by Horror whore
"With your taste, it seems like it. ;)
Everyone has their own taste if movies."


You said that so someone else in the How To Deal thread so I thought it applied here as well.

I was joking... I figured you might have known that...

[Tom Samborski]

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*
It also sux that T3 couldnt pick up a little more, I saw it again last nite, the small theater was half full.

Agreed, and it is all Warner Bros fault. It was their fault for marketing T3 like it was a fun summer blockbuster. It was their fault T3 is performing under expectations. It was ALL WB's fault. I hate it when studios don't give a flying shit about their good movies. It just sickens me.

[Mike]

I got them from Lee's Movie Info. I'm not sure which one is right. They were slightly different at Box Office Mojo, not all of them, but a few.

[Scarface98.9]

Go Bad Boys 2! Die How to Deal!

[bob]

Good to see Pirates is still holding up well. 109 million in a week is not bad at all....

[Freeway]

People's hatred of How to Deal is very immature with such high class responses as Die How to Deal! Die! Very mature.:rolleyes:

[Nate6]

Originally posted by Freeway
People's hatred of How to Deal is very immature with such high class responses as Die How to Deal! Die! Very mature.:rolleyes:

Jeez, we're not allowed to have fun around here anymore? Yet another dumb, predictable, overwrought teen movie fails, and I'm not allowed to make fun of it?

Sorry guys, Freeway wants this thread to be Masterpiece Theatre now. Everyone grab your opera binoculars and "be mature" with your criticisms.

[dh1989]

Damn, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, and Hulk are all blockbusters I expected to do extremely well, but they're all underperforming, but Bad Boys II, a film I predicted to underperform, did extremely well! Grrr..... :mad:

Well, I am glad it did well. I don't like to see movies bomb.

How To Deal really bombed, and I don't care. I'm not happy it did, but I am not going to lose any sleep either. I am really tired of those type of films.

Johnny English did suprisingly well, IMO! I'm really happy for it. It could pull down 10-12 million this weekend! :)

P.S. Freeway, you had no problem calling all who were seeing Pirates of the Caribbean more than T3 'stupid'. And doesn't exactly make you look too mature, either. :rolleyes:

[pod2010]

Go Bad Boys 2, this movie could not make enough, it has everything in a good summer r-rated action movie. T & A, Action, Violence, Language, Good Acting, Decent Plot, Violence.

You may hate his or you may love his movies (i like all of his movies), but you cannot deny bay's ability to make action movies look good.

[MadsenOMC]

Is anyone shocked by these numbers? There was no wide audience for How to Deal. And Bad Boys II had mass appeal. Too bad it's the most boring movie ever made. Their bickering was never funny and got old after about three minutes. The car chases and gun fights became tiresome early on. And there is absolutely no reason it needs to be 146 minutes long! 90 minutes would have been more than long enough. Plus, why do movie villains suck so much now? I miss the old days when great actors like Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman played awesome villains. The villains in action movies are so lame now. This, XXX, I could go on and on. OK, my little rant is over. Wrong thread.

[Jedi]

I have just noticed that Hulk is nowhere to be seen in the top 12 though it's still showing in 1200+ theatres!!! I'm shocked!

T3 is not showing the legs people thought it would. Arnie should be so proud of making a fool out of himself on every TV around the world claiming he's like, say, God!

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Jedi
Arnie should be so proud of making a fool out of himself on every TV around the world claiming he's like, say, God!

I strongly disagree. I watched all of Arnold's TV interviews on American television, from early in the morning (Good Morning, America) to late at night (The Tonight Show, with Jay Leno), and never did Arnie act like that, IMO. Sure, he seemed proud of the film he made, and he said he thought it would be a big crowd-pleaser, but I see nothing wrong with that!!! Does being proud of the film you made, and thinking it'll be popular, make you an egotistical asshole? I think not.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by dh1989
Damn, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, and Hulk are all blockbusters I expected to do extremely well, but they're all underperforming, but Bad Boys II, a film I predicted to underperform, did extremely well! Grrr..... :mad:

Well, I am glad it did well. I don't like to see movies bomb.

How To Deal really bombed, and I don't care. I'm not happy it did, but I am not going to lose any sleep either. I am really tired of those type of films.

Johnny English did suprisingly well, IMO! I'm really happy for it. It could pull down 10-12 million this weekend! :)

P.S. Freeway, you had no problem calling all who were seeing Pirates of the Caribbean more than T3 'stupid'. And doesn't exactly make you look too mature, either. :rolleyes:

God, how people jump on me all the time around here lately. It's quite sad, really. I'm surprised how everyone is allowed to jump all over me (from the DVD thread in General to this, this board is far from friendly anymore. It used to be, but not anymore.:(

[Nate6]

Originally posted by Freeway
God, how people jump on me all the time around here lately. It's quite sad, really. I'm surprised how everyone is allowed to jump all over me (from the DVD thread in General to this, this board is far from friendly anymore. It used to be, but not anymore.:(

But Freeway, no one would jump on you if you didn't jump on them first. You called a bunch of people, including myself, "immature" in this thread, and you don't expect that people will defend themselves? Don't dish it out if you can't take it...

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Freeway
God, how people jump on me all the time around here lately. It's quite sad, really. I'm surprised how everyone is allowed to jump all over me (from the DVD thread in General to this, this board is far from friendly anymore. It used to be, but not anymore. :(

It had to be said, since you commented on the 'immaturity' of a few people poking fun at How To Deal. Should you exclusively be allowed to say immature things?

[AgentSmith]

Box Office Guru:

Martin Lawrence and Will Smith took command of the box office on Friday with the debut of their action sequel Bad Boys II which grossed an estimated $17.4M in its opening day. The one-day figure was more than the entire opening weekend of the original Bad Boys which bowed to $15.5M in April 1995. For the Friday-to-Sunday period, the Sony sequel might find itself with $46-50M.

Last weekend's number one film, Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean, managed to generate a strong hold taking in an estimated $10.4M, slipping just 30% from last Friday. A weekend take of $32-35M seems likely. Both Pirates and Bad Boys II are produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.

The weekend's other two new releases saw more subdued launches on Friday. Universal's spy comedy Johnny English collected an estimated $3.1M while New Line's teen drama How to Deal brought in an estimated $2.8M. For the weekend, look for openings of about $9M and $8M, respectively.

Among holdovers, Friday-to-Friday declines were a hefty 61% for The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and 53% for Terminator 3.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by dh1989
It had to be said, since you commented on the 'immaturity' of a few people poking fun at How To Deal. Should you exclusively be allowed to say immature things?

Your response and Nate's too confirm my assertion that this board is filled with many unlikable personas. And to think that you two are moderators, people who are supposed to be more complacent and less confrontational than other normal schmoes.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Freeway
Your response and Nate's too confirm my assertion that this board is filled with many unlikable personas. And to think that you two are moderators, people who are supposed to be more complacent and less confrontational than other normal schmoes.

My intention was not to be unkind, nor was it too be overly-confrontational, and, if it came off that way, I apologize sincerely. Also, if you feel 'Nate6' or I have offended you, you always have the right to report us to the moderator, a feature that is here to ensure all users have the best time possible.

[Nate6]

Originally posted by dh1989
My intention was not to be unkind, nor was it too be overly-confrontational, and, if it came off that way, I apologize sincerely. Also, if you feel 'Nate6' or I have offended you, you always have the right to report us to the moderator, a feature that is here to ensure all users have the best time possible.

Yeah, same here. I mean, I don't mean to sound unkind or anything, I just want everyone around here to be treated equally and fairly. If you feel as if you're being treated poorly, report me to a moderator. I'm not a hypocrite.

[Horror whore]

Anyone got some popcorn? This thread's starting to get interesting!

[Kastman]

I got popcorn.....



NOw we play the waiting game

[Lazy Boy]

Wow, Bad Boys 2 opening at number one? What a surprise...yawn... ;)

POTC must have great word of mouth, since it should have a 30 million or so weekend, meaning that it dropped off very little from last week.

Go 28 Days Later! Word of mouth must be kicking in for this small sleeper. Not a HUGE B.O. take, but I'm sure Fox Searchlight is pleased.

[dellamorte dellamore]

glad to see Bad Boys made a couple of duckets , but i thought it would make a little bit more . But like all R Rated films , the teens are probably buying tix to some other film and then " sneaking " in to the r rated ones . When i went to see T3 , i noticed a bunch of youngins in the audience , without an adult , so i'm sure they bouth tix to something else and then went into T3 .


Also , another shmoe , in another thread confirmed my suspicion somewhat , they said BB 2 was packed with teens . No doubt they bought tix to another film , unless the standards at that particularlar theater are low and the rules aren't enforced . ( By the way , if you live in the Long Island area , the Westbury 12 is the most lenient theater imaginable when it comes to checking for underage patrons sneaking in to R rated films . Honestly it looks like they could care less , at least during the week . You can also move from theater to theater at will without anyone bothering you , the people there are either clueless or they just don't care . Time it right and don't make it too conspicuous , and you could probably watch 3 films for the price of one ticket . I'm not joking , i've done it before . Plus every theater in that particular cinema has the awesome stadium seating and they all feature probably some of the best surround sound sytems in the NY area . Most are 8 channel SDDS ) .




I wish there was some way to keep track of how many people have done this , because i know , or am almost convinced T3's BO would have been higher if it was PG 13 and kids didn't do the swap trick , BB 2 also applies .



Then again MR tore up the BO , and that one was R Rated , so i really don't know for sure .




Now if you thought i was going to post in a forum without ranting about certain films , you were mistaken . I'm so glad How to Squeal is a bomb , even a mild one will suffice . Hopefully we won't have to suffer too many more nonsensical Mandy Moore films if they keep on underperforming like this . That's probably the best news about the weekend BO , besides Bad Boys raking in a couple of Ducats .


It also looks like Pirates is dropping , it's all down hill from here . No way will it make 200 mil plus like some people were predicting after it's original 5 day take . I'm glad too , because i wouldn't want a cheesy ( but entertaining ) Disney film to eclipse MR's BO , and there is no way it will at this point , so at least i can rest easy about that . How much did it cost to make and market , they might just barely cover those two costs .


And i wish the overrated 28 days ( is that supposed to be a clever reference to the menstrual cycle ? ) would just go away already . It looks like it is , look for it to disappear for good very soon .


Almost forgot , i'm glad J English did decent numbers , that one looks funny , but for me it's more a rental then a cinema experience .

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore

Also , another shmoe , in another thread confirmed my suspicion somewhat , they said BB 2 was packed with teens . No doubt they bought tix to another film , unless the standards at that particularlar theater are low and the rules aren't enforced . ( By the way , if you live in the Long Island area , the Westbury 12 is the most lenient theater imaginable when it comes to checking for underage patrons sneaking in to R rated films . Honestly it looks like they could care less , at least during the week . You can also move from theater to theater at will without anyone bothering you , the people there are either clueless or they just don't care . Time it right and don't make it too conspicuous , and you could probably watch 3 films for the price of one ticket . I'm not joking , i've done it before . Plus every theater in that particular cinema has the awesome stadium seating and they all feature probably some of the best surround sound sytems in the NY area . Most are 8 channel SDDS ) .


Inetersting... Huntington "Shore 8" (theater i go to) is strict as hell.

Anyway, I'm doin my friend a favor today by going to see LXG, i really don't want to see this, so im thinkin of buying a ticket for sumthin else...

[dellamorte dellamore]

The Westbury 12 is like a filmlovers paradise , almost total freedom . But like i said , maybe that's because i only go during the week , i have yet too see what it's like on the weekend .


You remember where the Westbury Drive in used to be , that's where the West 12 is now , on the exact same parcel of land . It's weird watching a film there , maybe in a spot where i was getting busy not 10 years ago .

[dh1989]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
It also looks like Pirates is dropping , it's all down hill from here . No way will it make 200 mil plus like some people were predicting after it's original 5 day take . I'm glad too , because i wouldn't want a cheesy ( but entertaining ) Disney film to eclipse MR's BO , and there is no way it will at this point , so at least i can rest easy about that . How much did it cost to make and market , they might just barely cover those two costs.

Yes, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl is 'dropping, but with much smaller declines than Hulk, T3: Rise of the Machines, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, The Matrix Reloaded, and possibly even Finding Nemo. I have no doubt that it'll cross 200 million. It will go down as one of the most durable epics of the season, IMHO.

[thompsoncory]

1) Bad Boys II - $46.7 million
2) Pirates Of The Caribbean - $33.26 million
3) The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen - $10.1 million
4) Johnny English - $9.32 million
5) Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $9.2 million
6) Finding Nemo - $7.28 million
7) Legally Blonde 2: Red, White & Blonde - $6.1 million
8) How To Deal - $5.8 million
9) Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle - $3.7 million
10) 28 Days Later - $2.55 million

[AgentSmith]

Pirates of the Carribean is showing some amazing staying power...

I would not be surprised if it is up there soon with Finding Nemo as one of the top grossers of the summer...

[movies35]

Originally posted by thompsoncory

8) How To Deal - $5.8 million


Holy shit! I can't believe that! I thought after seeing Friday's numbers that it would make around 9 million! :eek:

[thompsoncory]

Final Domestic Projections based on those numbers:

Bad Boys II - $150 million
Pirates Of The Caribbean - $226 million
The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen - $65 million
Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $170 million
Johnny English - $35 million
How To Deal - $15 million
Legally Blonde 2: Red, White & Blonde - $103 million
Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle - $100 million
Finding Nemo - $335 million
28 Days Later - $45 million

[Nate6]

Originally posted by movies35
Holy shit! I can't believe that! I thought after seeing Friday's numbers that it would make around 9 million! :eek:

Me too. It ended up with only $5.8 million after a $2.7 million opening day? That means it made nearly half of its full weekend gross on one day...so it must have plummeted on Saturday.

[sleekproductions]

I'm SO glad that Pirates is doing so well. It should cross 200million with no problems at all. And to think... a deserving film making money... there is justice after all. And yes, Bad Boys II did well as well. 'Tis a shame for everything else. It looks as if T3 is a bit of a bomb after all. Not a big bomb, just a dissapointment.

[Freeway]

HTD made less than the bomb Alex and Emma did during its opening weekend against Hulk. That surprises me. I thought that it would end the weekend with about 8-9.5million but instead it only made 5.8!:eek: Mandy Moore now likely has her first box office flop. I'm guessing though that it couldn't really have been that expensive and will be profitable for New Line in the long run because of video sales/rentals, etc. LXG managed to stay above 10 mill. for the weekend. I hope BB2 doesn't make more total than T3 because that would make T3 look even worse than it already does.

[Nate6]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
I would not be surprised if it is up there soon with Finding Nemo as one of the top grossers of the summer...

Yep. Disney's having a fuckin' good summer, eh?

[optimus1]

For me there is no easy explanation as to why T3 is doing less then stellar in the US. My previous posts , IMHO , do give the main reasons , Arnies star has dimmed , no James Cameron or Linda Hamilton , poor early trailers but the word of mouth and critic reviews have been pretty good for the most part so I can't fathom why it didn't have staying power. Where are all the rest of the Terminator fanatics? Waiting for the DVD? Whoever went to the movies to see T2 had to have been thrilled to hear of T3 hitting the theaters yet a lot of those people didn't bother to go see it.

[jolanar]

Bad Boys 2 made a surprising amount considering it's rating.

I think Pirates and LXG both held up very well, and Johnny English also did very well considering nobody in America has ever heard of it before. Plus JE lacked a lot of advertisement it needed.

[bob]

Originally posted by Nate6
Yeah, same here. I mean, I don't mean to sound unkind or anything, I just want everyone around here to be treated equally and fairly. If you feel as if you're being treated poorly, report me to a moderator. I'm not a hypocrite.

I cannot believe you and dh1989 apologized to freeway. I guess it was the right thing to do, since you're moderators and have to set an example, but man, I didn't see that coming.

[Jedi]

It's very surprising that BB2 opened stronger than T3 in less theatres and more crowded weekend! This must've been some great news for Martin Lawrence after the series of flops he lead during the last two years.

Finding Nemo's got past $300M and dropped only 14%. I have the feeling this one's going to make maybe $375M in the USA alone!

[Freeway]

Originally posted by bob
I cannot believe you and dh1989 apologized to freeway. I guess it was the right thing to do, since you're moderators and have to set an example, but man, I didn't see that coming.

Why?

[movies35]

Originally posted by Freeway
Why?

No offense, I really don't want this to become a "Bash Freeway" thread, but you are bitching about someone doing something you were doing earlier. Your saying not to bash How To Deal, but you were bashing plenty other movies... but thats just my 2 cents.

[AgentSmith]

Box Office Guru

THIS_WEEKEND:

In his third decade as a superproducer, Jerry Bruckheimer continued to give moviegoers exactly what they crave by opening his latest action hit, the cop buddy sequel Bad Boys II, at the top of the charts while his blockbuster adventure film Pirates of the Caribbean ranked second displaying tremendous strength in its second weekend. Together, the two Bruckheimer pics sold $80M worth of tickets at North American theaters accounting for more than half of the entire marketplace.

Audiences lined up to see Martin Lawrence and Will Smith reunite in Bad Boys II which debuted with $46.7M, according to estimates, to lead all films at the box office. Directed by Michael Bay, the Sony release bowed in 3,186 theaters and averaged an explosive $14,658 per location. With bullets and expletives flying, Bad Boys II wore its R rating proud telling the story of a pair of narcotics cops in Miami trying to bust the city's biggest dealer of Ecstacy. Gabrielle Union and Joe Pantoliano co-star. It was the third R-rated action sequel this summer to open at number one after The Matrix Reloaded and Terminator 3.

The opening for the pricey sequel tripled the $15.5M bow of the first Bad Boys which opened in April 1995 in a thousand less theaters. That film went on to gross $65.8M and over $140M worldwide. The sequel skewed younger as 59% of the audience was under the age of 25 while males and females were about equally represented, according to studio research. African Americans came out in strong numbers representing 35% of the crowd.

For Sony, Bad Boys II became its industry-leading fifth number-one debut of the year giving the studio an edge over Warner Bros., Fox, and Disney which have each had four. The Mouse House, however, continues to lead in total weekends in the top spot with seven compared to Sony's six. For Bruckheimer, Bad Boys II became his third number-one of the year following last week's Pirates and January's Kangaroo Jack. Next up for the producer is October's thriller Veronica Guerin from director Joel Schumacher and King Arthur which is preparing for a Christmas 2004 release.

Generating the smallest second weekend decline of any wide release this summer, Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean slipped just 29% and grossed an estimated $33.3M for second place. The Disney adventure film crossed the $100M mark on Friday, its tenth day of release, and has collected a mighty $132.2M in only twelve days. Playing in 3,359 theaters, the Johnny Depp actioner averaged a potent $9,901 per venue.

The remarkable staying power due to strong word-of-mouth allowed Pirates to buck the trend this summer of massive dropoffs suffered by top titles and should allow it to become one of the year's highest-grossing films. Produced for an estimated $130M, the Gore Verbinski-directed blockbuster could find its way to a domestic haul of $250-275M giving The Matrix Reloaded a serious challenge for the summer's silver medal. Pirates also helped Buena Vista become the first distributor this year to surpass $900M in year-to-date box office with the billion dollar barrier looking to fall before the summer ends.

Falling a steep 56% in its second weekend, Fox's action adventure film The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen took in an estimated $10.1M in its sophomore session and lifted its ten-day cume to $42.5M. With a production cost of just under $80M, the Sean Connery vehicle should finish its domestic run with $65-70M with an international run that could bring in somewhat more. League became the tenth summer film to drop by more than 55% in its second weekend illustrating how little staying power there is in this season's crop of offerings. It is double the amount from this time last summer.

Opening in fourth place was Universal's British import Johnny English starring Rowan Atkinson which grossed an estimated $9.3M from 2,236 theaters. The PG-rated comedy averaged a good $4,170 per location and followed a successful international release that has already brought in over $117M. Budgeted at $35M, English finds the comedian playing a bumbling secret agent.

T3 dropped 53% and claimed fifth place with an estimated $9.2M in its third weekend. After 19 days of release, the Warner Bros. sci-fi sequel has amassed $127.8M and should find its way to the vicinity of $150M. By comparison, its predecessor T2 grossed $204.8M in 1991 becoming the top-grossing film of that year.

Enjoying the smallest decline in the top ten and swimming into triple-century territory, the Disney/Pixar sensation Finding Nemo collected an estimated $7.3M in its eighth weekend slipping just 14%. The G-rated toon boosted its cume to an eye-popping $303.8M and is on course for at least $330M in domestic coin.

MGM's Legally Blonde 2 dropped 49% to an estimated $6.1M in its third frame and placed seventh. Reese Witherspoon's signature sequel has taken in $75.4M to date and should conclude its run with around $90M or a bit shy of the $96.4M that the first Legally Blonde charmed up two summers ago.

Teen girls were not exactly rushing to the multiplexes to see Mandy Moore's new film How to Deal which opened with a disappointing $5.8M, according to estimates. Released by New Line, the PG-13 pic about a high school girl who gives up on love averaged a poor $2,501 from 2,319 theaters. The melodrama was produced for $16M.

Another femme flick was nestled into ninth place. Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle fell 48% to an estimated $3.7M pushing its total to $89.1M. The Sony sequel looks to finish with around $100M, or 20% less than the $125.3M of 2000's first Charlie's Angels.

Fox Searchlight rounded out the top ten with the horror hit 28 Days Later which grossed an estimated $2.6M, off 40%, for a cume of $33.4M. The distributor is making the unorthodox move of adding a four-and-a-half-minute alternate ending to its prints this Friday hoping to bring fans back for another scare. A final gross of $40-45M should result depending on how successful this technique is. On the following weekend, Searchlight will take its independent smash Bend It Like Beckham into full national release widening to about 1,200 locations. This weekend, the British-Indian comedy grossed an estimated $300,000 from 155 theaters for a $1,935 average in its 19th weekend and pushed its overall gross to a rosy $25.9M.

Elsewhere in limited release, Miramax opened the London-set crime thriller Dirty Pretty Things in five theaters in New York and Los Angeles and grossed an estimated $101,000 for a stellar $20,200 average. Starring Amelie's Audrey Tautou, the R-rated drama expands on August 1.

Paramount Classics grossed an estimated $102,000 after expanding the James Woods drama Northfork from 5 to 14 theaters. Averaging $7,275, the PG-13 film has taken in $191,000 to date and will continue to slowly add more markets.

Disney offered sneak previews on Friday in just under 1,000 theaters for its family comedy Freaky Friday starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan. The studio reported that most shows were near capacity or sold out with 90% of those polled calling the PG-rated pic "excellent" or "very good". The audience for the mother-daughter switcheroo film was understandably more female (69%) with two-thirds being familes. Freaky Friday opens on Wednesday, August 6 and will face Sony's male-skewing actioner S.W.A.T. that weekend.

Three summer films fell from the top ten over the weekend. Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas tumbled 58% in its third weekend to an estimated $1.8M bringing the total for the animated adventure to $23.3M. Budgeted at $60M, the DreamWorks title should finish with a dismal $26-28M. Also making off with an estimated $1.8M, but sliding only 36%, was Paramount's hit actioner The Italian Job. The $65M film looks to conclude with an encouraging $97-100M. Universal's $137M comic book gamble The Hulk fell 61% to an estimated $1.4M in its fifth outing for a $128M sum. The Ang Lee film has fallen by more than 55% each weekend and is likely to end its domestic run with $130-132M.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by movies35
No offense, I really don't want this to become a "Bash Freeway" thread, but you are bitching about someone doing something you were doing earlier. Your saying not to bash How To Deal, but you were bashing plenty other movies... but thats just my 2 cents.

I know, that's why I apologized to both Nate and dh through PM. Ask them if you don't believe me.

[JCPhoenix]

Not to jump on the bandwagon here but I agree with bob and movies35 on this fully.

Besides, calling the movie going audiences stupid just because they like a film you didn't like better than T3?

Last I saw, Freeway's comment on Pirates of the Caribbean was the ONLY bad review of Pirates I had seen in the PotC thread.

And anyway, I'm rooting for Pirates of the Caribbean, I hope it becomes a mega hit blockbuster. My favorite movie this year so far, and I've already added it to my YMDb top 20 list. 5 out of 5 for it whereas I found T3 entertaining, but disappointing compared to the original two Terminators 3 out of 5.

Looking at the box-office, I'm soo glad, Pirates looks to easily pass $200 million. Box-Office Guru is making quite a bold statement saying it will make between $250-$275 million, but I certainly hope that's true, and I think it has a chance. It has appeal for everyone i know, the word of mouth just between my group of friends from my old school is extremely strong, I think the four of us who have seen it have already convinced around 10 or 15 people to go see it - and everyone comes back raving about the movie (and several of my friends aren't particularly huge movie fans, some of them usually can't sit in one spot for more than an hour and a half :p)

Though some people might ask why Pirates is on my top 10 favorite movies of all time, my answer is: it is the perfect adventure movie - just because a film is a summer action movie doesn't make it instantly uneligible to be one of the best movies ever. (Take Indiana Jones for example)

I'm really surprised with BBII's numbers, I didn't think it would be this strong, but I think it'll be another sequel that will have massive drops in upcoming weeks - just quite simply because most people probably went to see it opening weekend, and this summer with all the sequels out, it is probably going to suffer from the moviegoing audience getting sick and tired of sequels.

Johnny English and How to Deal didn't look that good, so the numbers were to be expected.

LXG didn't drop as much as I thought it would (judging from the seemingly horrible word of mouth) but it still had a steep drop.

T3 isn't really pulling in the audiences either it seems, which i'm now positive is due to the horrible marketing as well as the fact that Schwarzenneger just isn't the star he used to be when T2 came out. My friends hated it, but I thought it wasn't bad. Still, watching T2 again right before seeing T3 wasn't really a good idea...

I'm sort of glad 28 Days Later is doing pretty good. It has a great first hour, but I really didn't like the second. I'm also wondering how this alternate ending will affect people going to see the movie. Will it actually bring in more people? I wonder how many people actually KNOW that tehre is going to be an alternate ending provided though...

[Freeway]

Originally posted by JCPhoenix
Last I saw, Freeway's comment on Pirates of the Caribbean was the ONLY bad review of Pirates I had seen in the PotC thread.

So, I'm not allowed to have my own view on a film? I have to like it just because most people do? That's what I gather from what you said anyway. I'm obviously not the only person in the world who didn't like it. Heck, Roeper gave it thumbs down.

[MadsenOMC]

Freeway, you're not alone! My friend and I didn't like it. Boring as hell. Seemed like the longest movie ever made.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Seemed like the longest movie ever made.

Precisely the reason I disliked it.

[JCPhoenix]

Originally posted by Freeway
So, I'm not allowed to have my own view on a film? I have to like it just because most people do? That's what I gather from what you said anyway. I'm obviously not the only person in the world who didn't like it. Heck, Roeper gave it thumbs down.

Please don't put words in my mouth, and if you're going to quote something I say, quote it in contex (example: with the rest of what I wrote about the issue). The point of saying that your review was the only negative review I had read in that thread is to simply point out that the overwhelming reaction for the movie is positive, and THEREFORE it doesn't even begin to make sense to call an audience "stupid" for going to see this movie instead of T3 when it seems most people seem to like it more than T3.

Your quote: "I have to like it just because most people do?"
No, you don't have to like it just because most people do, but you don't have to call them stupid for liking the movie. And also, I get the feeling you were saying exactly this when you said audiences were stupid for liking Pirates of the Caribbean. Isn't that somewhat like saying that audiences should hate Pirates of the Caribbean because you do? And isn't it also somewhat like saying that people should love T3 just because you do? I find this rebuttal you made of my post somewhat hypocritical.

[Freeway]

What context? That was basically all you said of substance in the post. I didn't put words in your mouth. I just quoted what you said. I don't understand how exactly you can say that I did so by quoting you? How is responding that something is somewhat similar to this, somewhat similar to this really a very concrete answer. You might as well be saying apples are somewhat like oranges because they are both fruits.

[MadsenOMC]

While POTC bored me to death and I didn't much care for it, I don't think it's a bad movie (just dull) and you are not stupid for liking it. Plenty of smart people I know like it very much. And plenty of not-so-smart people. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. While I enjoyed T3 more (it's so much shorter), it is certainly NOT a better movie than Pirates. They are quite different, although both are essentially aiming to be good summer fun and not much more.

[JCPhoenix]

Originally posted by Freeway
What context? That was basically all you said of substance in the post. I didn't put words in your mouth. I just quoted what you said. I don't understand how exactly you can say that I did so by quoting you? How is responding that something is somewhat similar to this, somewhat similar to this really a very concrete answer. You might as well be saying apples are somewhat like oranges because they are both fruits.

Ahem, before that comment was a VERY important part of my quote:

the whole quote should've been:

"Besides, calling the movie going audiences stupid just because they like a film you didn't like better than T3?
Last I saw, Freeway's comment on Pirates of the Caribbean was the ONLY bad review of Pirates I had seen in the PotC thread."

Taken the way it was before, it was easy to insinuate that I was saying you had to like the movie because everyone else liked it. With both sentences, it shows that I was relating it to your quote about "stupid" audiences, and was in no way saying that you had to like the film just because everyone else did. Read the first paragraph on my above post to see what the actual meaning of the quote was.

Oh and for that last part of your comment, I totally couldn't understand what you were trying to say, but I still stand by the fact that what you said was quite hypocritical compared to what you said earlier.

[Lazy Boy]

I thought POTC was a pretty so-so movie, but I can see how it has appeal, and I don't think anybody who loves it is stupid at all. The best thing about the film was Johnny Depp, who seemed to wander in from another genre and completely steal the show. Bravo, Johnny!

I will say it is good for business that POTC is one of the few blockbuster films this summer to not drop huge the second weekend, signifying good word of mouth.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by JCPhoenix
Ahem, before that comment was a VERY important part of my quote:

the whole quote should've been:

"Besides, calling the movie going audiences stupid just because they like a film you didn't like better than T3?
Last I saw, Freeway's comment on Pirates of the Caribbean was the ONLY bad review of Pirates I had seen in the PotC thread."

Taken the way it was before, it was easy to insinuate that I was saying you had to like the movie because everyone else liked it. With both sentences, it shows that I was relating it to your quote about "stupid" audiences, and was in no way saying that you had to like the film just because everyone else did. Read the first paragraph on my above post to see what the actual meaning of the quote was.

Oh and for that last part of your comment, I totally couldn't understand what you were trying to say, but I still stand by the fact that what you said was quite hypocritical compared to what you said earlier.

Ahem, in your previous post, I quote "And isn't it also somewhat like saying that people should love T3 just because you do?" Now who's putting words in whose mouth? Anyway, could we PLEASE end this little disagreement soon because I am getting sick of people criticizing me and then having to reply to them out of the principle of the issue. Kill me now.

[JCPhoenix]

Originally posted by Freeway
Ahem, in your previous post, I quote "And isn't it also somewhat like saying that people should love T3 just because you do?" Now who's putting words in whose mouth? Anyway, could we PLEASE end this little disagreement soon because I am getting sick of people criticizing me and then having to reply to them out of the principle of the issue. Kill me now.

Well then I apologize for saying you were putting words in my mouth, but I stand by the fact that you are being hypocritical, something which it seems you still haven't responded to. This will be my last post on this subject regardless ofw hether you decide to rebut it or not, so that this topic can return to its rightful topic.

Incidentally, I only wrote a grand total of two sentences addressing this issue to begin with, and spent a fair amount of time constructing a lengthy commentary on what I thought about the box-office. It wasn't meant to become an exchange of words flying back and forth, but since you did respond, I felt compelled to rebut what you said, and to clear up what exactly I meant by what I said in the original post, and on and on it of course went from there.

[Mike]

Personally I could care less if people hate Pirates Of The Caribbean or love it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I myself think it looks "good," but not "great." I think it will most likely end up getting a 7/10 (B-) or 7/10 (B) from me, but you never know.


How To Deal definitely made less than what most were expecting. So while it's disappointing, it's not a "bomb" since it will make its budget back in the U.S. alone. I saw it last night and thought it was OK (6/10 or C+), but I still wish it the best. I don't really like to see anything bomb, it's nice to see everything at least make its budget back at the Box Office.


Johnny English did pretty decent. It looks to make 30-40 Million at the Box Office.

Bad Boys 2 opened better than I expected, but should drop at least 55% next weekend.

Finding Nemo held up extremely well. It continues to do just swimmingly at the Box Office ;).

T3 had another huge drop, unfortunately :(. It really really sucks it didn't do better. It was a kickass action film and a worthy very sequel, in my opinion anyway.


This is from Box Office Prophets:


Jerry Bruckheimer: Box Office Superstar

John Hamann's Weekend Wrap-Up
July 18-20, 2003


This is it. This is the chance for the 2003 box office to gain some lost ground on the totals from 2002. A year ago this weekend, flop season was just getting under way with the debuts of Stuart Little 2 and K-19: The Widowmaker. These two films cost their studios a combined $220 million and only grossed $100 million domestically. This year, things look completely different. Bad Boys II had the opportunity to score big with older audiences, and the younger market is covered with debuts from How To Deal and Johnny English, along with the second weekend of Pirates of the Caribbean.

The star of the box office this weekend is Jerry Bruckheimer, who has the top two spots on the chart with Bad Boys II and Pirates of the Caribbean, and consecutive number one hits over two straight weekends. Looking at Jerry's past work, we can see a pattern of "grouped hits." The uber-producer had three big films in five months in 1995: the original Bad Boys in April, Crimson Tide in May, and Dangerous Minds in August. The three films had a total gross in 1995 dollars of $241 million; in 2003 dollars, that gross would equal a stunning $322 million. Bruckheimer also had three big hits over four months in 2000: Gone in 60 Seconds in June, Coyote Ugly in August, and Remember the Titans one month later in September. These three films had a combined opening weekend gross of $63.5 million and domestic cumes of $278 million; a fantastic total considering their combined costs before prints and marketing were only $155 million. Bad Boys II director Michael Bay has always worked with producer Bruckheimer. Their tag-teamed hit list includes the original Bad Boys, The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, and now the Bad Boys sequel. Combined opening weekends for the first four movies on the list equal $135.8 million, and domestic totals earned an out-of-this-world $600 million. Whether you like their films or not, Bay and Bruckheimer are definitely a winning combination at the box office.


The number one film at the box office this weekend is no surprise. Bad Boys II, the latest Bay/Bruckheimer production, got out of the gate in a hurry, finding a front-loaded $46.7 million. The action flick debuted at a lower than expected 3,186 venues but had a fantastic average of $14,657. Bad Boys II had an opening weekend internal multiplier of 2.68, which indicates sequel-type fanboy front-loading and divisive word-of-mouth. According to IMDb, the Will Smith/Martin Lawrence sequel cost Sony and Jerry Bruckheimer Films only $75 million, but that seems low for such a pyrotechnic film with two very big stars. That number notwithstanding, total box office for Bad Boys II should equal the production budget in about ten days and give producer Bruckheimer little-seen back-to-back number one hits.

Bad Boys II is a great example of a "review-proof" film, and it is a good thing that it falls into that category as the film got ripped by critics. RottenTomatoes gathered 96 reviews and only a slim 24 were positive, leading to a rotten rating of 25%. The pull quotes at the review-compilation Web site are hilarious. James Sanford at the Kalamazoo Gazette said "If you stay home from only one movie this summer, make sure it's Bad Boys II." Sean Means of the Salt Lake Tribune said "Michael Bay, as critics long have suspected, is the devil -- and...the overblown orgy of gunfire and crumpled cars called Bad Boys II is the spawn of Satan." If that quote doesn't tell you that Bad Boys II was critically reviled, I don't know what will. Even so, audiences didn't care and launched the sequel into the stratosphere, enabling the film to at least meet expectations during a summer of misses.

For Sony, Bad Boys II is going to be the studio's fifth consecutive profitable film. Current earner Charlie's Angels 2 will make money after foreign grosses are counted, and the other four previous Sony films were profitable on the domestic front. Daddy Day Care cost the studio $60 million, and crossed the $100 million mark last weekend. Releases before DDC included Identity (cost: $28 million, total: $51.5 million), and Anger Management (cost: $56 million, total: $133.8 million). For Will Smith, Bad Boys II is his fourth biggest open behind his sci-fi work. Men in Black I and MIIB opened to $52 million and $51 million respectively, and Independence Day found $50 million over its opening frame. Sounds like I, Robot might be a good fit for Smith's next project.

In second spot, we have Jerry Bruckheimer's other movie, the even bigger Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl. Pirates has great legs. The film did very well from Monday-to-Thursday of last week, taking in $28 million, and crossed the $100 million mark on Friday, its tenth day of release. Over the July 18th frame, Disney added another 90 sites to the film's run, and Pirates grossed another $33.3 million, dropping only 29% compared to the Friday-to-Sunday portion of its opening weekend. The movie already has a very impressive total of $132.2 million and is just getting started; it should easily see $200+ million in domestic box office booty. Just when we thought studios might rethink spending $100+ million on a film, Disney and Bruckheimer have a huge hit with a project budgeted at $125 million.

The film at third gives us another taste of what we're used to from summer box office, the collapse of a blockbuster in its second weekend. Today's specimen is Fox's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, last weekend's number two film that debuted to $23.1 million. The poorly-reviewed film did the obvious this frame, dropping 56% with a sophomore weekend gross of $10.1 million. LXG could slip further down the chart when actuals are released tomorrow; if Friday's number was correct, Fox has issued League a 3.36 weekend multiplier, when its opening weekend multiplier was only 2.65. League, with a budget somewhere between $75 and $110 million, now has a total of $42.5 million, and is going to be a loser for Fox no matter what the budget is.

Our second opener takes the number four spot this weekend; this time it's Universal's Johnny English. The Rowan Atkinson film was sold as a family comedy, and the strategy worked to a certain degree. The spy spoof took in $9.3 million this weekend from a relatively low 2,236 venues; the Brit-flick had a decent venue average of $4,168. With its $45 million budget, Johnny English is already immensely profitable for Universal, considering it's already made over $100 million in international markets. Atkinson's last solo film, Bean, got off to a better start stateside with an opening weekend of $12.7 million after a few weekends of successful limited release, but that character had more of a built-in audience. This is Britain's second hit on our shores in a month, as 28 Days Later has performed excellently at the box office as well.

Terminator 3: The Rise of the Machines fell only two spots to fifth this weekend, but the blockbuster still lost a huge percentage of last weekend's audience. T3 grossed $9.2 million in its third frame of release, dropping a too-high 53%. At this point, it doesn't look like T3 will make its production budget back domestically. The film cost $170 million to make and has a cume so far of $127.8 million.

In sixth place is the real star of the box office show, Finding Nemo. The Pixar animated classic grabbed the golden ring this weekend; it crossed the $300 million mark on Saturday, its 51st day of release. For the weekend, Nemo dropped only 14% in its eighth frame, grossing $7.3 million. The Disney-distributed film becomes the 15th film to break the $300 million barrier, and now sits with a total of $303.8 million. Nemo has now passed Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones to become the 14th-biggest domestic earner of all time, and should beat out The Lion King as the biggest animated film of all time in two short weeks.

In at seventh is MGM's disappointing Legally Blonde 2. The Reese Witherspoon comedy grossed $6.1 million in its third weekend, finding a bigger-than-expected drop of 49%. The film now has a total gross of $75.4 million, and should make only $85-90 million by the end of its run. Profitable but disappointing: the new catch phrase for summer box office 2003.

How to Deal comes in at eighth and is the last of the three openers. Mandy Moore's follow up to A Walk to Remember couldn't compete with her debut; the melodramatic How to Deal grossed $5.8 million from only 2,319 screens, giving it a not-very-good venue average of $2,501. How to Deal is another film that could move up on the chart after actuals are released tomorrow. Friday's estimated gross for Deal came in at $2.8 million, which would result in a wacky 2.1 weekend multiplier; what most likely happened is that the Friday number was overestimated. The good news is that I can't imagine that the budget for Deal is much different than the $11 million spent on A Walk to Remember. That film made almost four times its production budget with a final domestic gross of about $41 million and much, much, more on home video. At RottenTomatoes, How to Deal was only 26% fresh, making me think that big drops and poor legs are to come. However, Walk's score was just as bad - it was only 27% fresh and still had decent legs. We'll have to wait a weekend to find out where the pop singer's second film is going to end up.

Ninth spot goes to those tired Angels, as Cameron, Drew and Lucy spent what is likely their last weekend in the top ten. Charlie's Angels 2 grossed only $3.7 million this weekend, dropping another 48% compared to the previous frame. As I said above, Sony and the Angels aren't financial losers. Despite a domestic gross of $89.1 million, the film budgeted at $120 million will be easily profitable after huge foreign grosses and DVD sales are counted.

Pulling up the rear in tenth is 28 Days Later, the second British entry in the top ten this weekend. 28 Days Later grossed $2.6 million and now has a very successful total of $33.4 million. Next weekend, Fox Searchlight plans on adding the original, more downbeat ending after the closing credits of the film; it will be interesting to see if that will be enough to keep the film in the top ten for another weekend.

Overall, box office this weekend was on fire. 2002 was soft over the July 19th frame, with the top ten movies pulling in a woeful $95.6 million. This year, the top five grossed more than last year's top ten. The top ten for the July 18th 2003 weekend came in at a scorching $134.1 million, 40% better than the previous year.

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Some movies deserve to bomb. How to Deal looks like one of those movies. I was beyond thrilled to see its horrible box office. Die teen crap, die.