Freddy Vs. Jason

[DevilMonkey]

Freddy Vs. Jason (2003)

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Produced by: Stokely Chaffin, Sean S. Cunningham, Douglas Curtis, Robert Shaye and Renee Witt.

Director: Ronny Yu

Screenwriters: Damian Shannon and Mark Swift.

Starring: Robert Englund, Ken Kirzinger, Monica Keena, Kelly Rowland, Jason Ritter, James Callahan, Lochlyn Munro, Joshua Mihal, Chris Marquette, Odessa Munroe, Katharine Isabelle, Kyle Labine, Jake Kaese, Jesse Hutch, Chris Gauthier, Brendan Fletcher, Paula Shaw, Alistair Abell, Gary Chalk, Blake Mawson.

MPAA: Rated R for pervasive strong horror violence/gore, gruesome images, sexuality, drug use and language.

Release Date: August 15, 2003

Plot: It has been almost 10 years since one of the scariest horror characters of all time, Freddy Krueger, invaded the dreams of a generation to exact his deadly form of revenge and murder. Now, Freddy has entered into the dreams of another master of evil – the unstoppable Jason Voorhees --, to make Jason start causing nightmares in Springfield, plunging cinema’s two greatest titans of terror into a battle to end all battles, when Jason decides he doesn't want to be Freddy's servant anymore. Place your bets.

Genre: Action, Slasher, Horror, Sequel, Supernatural

My thoughts: Whoa, I’ve seen every Freddy movie, but I’ve only seen a small portion of Jason movies. Freddy is cool and all, but Jason is awesome, with a machete and a hockey mask. He’ll win for sure. I think this movie looks and sounds like an awesome time. I’m not a big fan of either series, except I know this looks awesome. I’m probably going to see this opening night or the same weekend it comes out. I’m really looking forward to it because Freddy and Jason are both killing machines, and it’ll be awesome to see them up against each other. Another reason is that the trailer looks sweet and it’s a horror film. . . . . . And I like those. I can’t wait! No Kane Hodder bitching, either!

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What do you guys think?

[dh1989]

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Ronny Yu's Freddy Vs. Jason looks like a fun Friday night flick, but nothing more. I predict it to be a 90+ minute slash 'n hack-fest with poorly drawn characters and a bad plot, but I don't see Freddy or Jason movies for either of those, so I'll be a happy "camper." (Jason fans, no pun intended!)

Oh, and FREDDY will kick ass! He's so cooler than Jason, if I do say so myself! :)

[Hannibal21]

My most anticipated summer film! I will be seeing this for sure and yes, you're right, DH. Freddy will kick ass! :D Jason's cool and everything but he's got nothin' on good ole Fred. :cool: This film just looks so fun and it'll definitely be a BIG guilty pleasure for me.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Def. my most anticipated movie of August, make that summer 03. FvJ looks amazing, as it should. Although it's pretty much guaranteed fun, I hope it stills manages a few good scares. I also have this feeling that this movies gunna be huge! I can't wait for Friday!!!

[Freeway]

I can't wait for this movie. One my most anticipated films of the year, not just the summer. I hope to see this opening weekend but don't know if I'll be able to because I'll be vacationing in San Diego, California at the time. Going to movies and paying ten bucks a ticket doesn't sound like my cup of tea. I might just pay the insane amount to see it anyway or wait until I get back from vacation to see it.

By the way, DevilMonkey, you did a FANTASTIC job with this thread. Love the text colors and all the kickass pics for a film that definitely deserves a cool thread. I predict that F VS. J will surprise everyone at the box office, making loads of cash and giving new legs to both Freddy and Jason movies in the future. You can't tell me that one will actually die and be gone forever during the film because that would effectively put an end to a franchise.

[jolanar]

I thought Jason had a chainsaw, and not a machete?

Oh well shows you what I know. I have never seen a Freddy or Jason movie, but this has got me very excited. A very anticipated movie.

Also I think Jason is going to win, because in the plot it says he was being used by Freddy and then doesn't want to be his servant anymore. Which kind of makes him the underdog. Underdogs always win in movies. :)

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by Freeway
By the way, DevilMonkey, you did a FANTASTIC job with this thread. Love the text colors and all the kickass pics for a film that definitely deserves a cool thread.

Thanks a lot, I had help from DH1989.

[ANTBond007]

WOOHOO! One week away from official release! Four days away from my screening! The fucking thing is finally here!

Oh, and...

Freddy! Freddy! Freddy! Freddy!

[dellamorte dellamore]

I thought this was a truly dreadful idea originally , and i figured it would just be some lameass cash in , until i saw the latest trailer , and i have to say it looks pretty damn good , maybe even great . I like the fx , and what looks to be a wondrously surreal atmosphere that pays homage to both the mystiques of these icons , and even seems to expand on them , instead of simply making it a street fighter 2 turbo , with matrix fight scenes utilizing these two horror icons . I'm hoping .


Now , i doubt it will be scary , but i'll settle for entertaining and mildly creepy . That scene with the blindfolded kids shows promise , as does the scene by the lake . I'm looking foward to this one , most definitely .

[Golden Ghost]

I don't think either Freddy or Jason will win. They'll battle it out, but in the end I think they'll both be seated back in their graves comfortably.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Golden Ghost
I don't think either Freddy or Jason will win. They'll battle it out, but in the end I think they'll both be seated back in their graves comfortably.

I agree, somewhat. I think it'll appear to end that way, but then we'll, perhaps, sink down into the bowels of hell and see them still battling. I highly doubt it'll end with them "dead and gone." I think it'll have a classic, bad guy's still alive horror ending.

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

Hah... I can just see the critics tear away at this one right now calling it "stupid" and "where the plot?". Fact is... You don't go see this movie for the plot. You go see it because Freddy and Jason are two horror legends and you just know it's going to be a fun movie. Oh yeah... and Katharine Isabelle is in it :)

[Horror whore]

I CAN'T WAIT!

I'm seeing this next Friday along with S.W.A.T. and Uptown Girls... I'll probably save this for last because I want to see it at night...

[dh1989]

The more I think about it, the more I'm unsure I'll see this in theatres. It looks rather boring, and I am afraid it'll bring Freddy back and mess him up, thereby ruining the classy good-bye Wes Craven gave the killer with New Nightmare. I'll probably see it, but my first choice'd be Open Range.

[movies35]

Originally posted by dh1989
The more I think about it, the more I'm unsure I'll see this in theatres. It looks rather borin.

I'm sorry to be the one to say it as well, but it does look rather boring (imo). I will be seeing this Friday night. I have plans to see it with Uptown Girls. I really, really, really want to see this, but I just have a gut feeling that I'm not going to like it. I never saw a NOES movie, but I saw all the Jason movie, and plan to rent them all (starting Tuesday night) before Friday, and maybe that will get me more excited. I'm planning on going into this with low expectations, and who knows? I might love it.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by movies35
I'm sorry to be the one to say it as well, but it does look rather boring (imo). I will be seeing this Friday night. I have plans to see it with Uptown Girls. I really, really, really want to see this, but I just have a gut feeling that I'm not going to like it. I never saw a NOES movie, but I saw all the Jason movie, and plan to rent them all (starting Tuesday night) before Friday, and maybe that will get me more excited. I'm planning on going into this with low expectations, and who knows? I might love it.

You'd better watch the Nightmare movies, as FvJ is essentially a Nightmare On Elm St. flick with Jason around for the ride.

And dh, you can always consider New Nightmare the last of the series, which is what I'll do. As Robert Englund likes to point out, Nightmare 1 and WCNN make great bookends for the series.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
You'd better watch the Nightmare movies, as FvJ is essentially a Nightmare On Elm St. flick with Jason around for the ride.

And dh, you can always consider New Nightmare the last of the series, which is what I'll do. As Robert Englund likes to point out, Nightmare 1 and WCNN make great bookends for the series.

1.) 'movies35,' 'ANTBond007' is right, I hear, say, 90% of the film revolves around Freddy, the town of Springwood, and Elm Street, with Jason as a "celebrity guest," if you will.

2.) 'ANTBond007,' you're right, and so is Mr. Englund, but it still frigtens me. I'd really like this journey with Freddy to be sturdy and be able to stand straight without the aid of the bookends. And I also hope it makes Fred Krueger scary. In the middle of the NOES series, we all know Fred Krueger became more Fred Astaire, but Craven, with New Nightmare, turned him back into the sadistic, brutal, and insane serial killer that he's supposed to be. I don't want his persona to be harmed again, and I DEFINITELY don't want this film to cast a bad shadow over the horror legend or cause people to roll their eyes when they hear the immortal name: Freddy Krueger.

[Fisting Ackbar]

Despite that I had very negative reservations about it at first, I'm going to see this with an open mind since I'm a horrorfan, and the trailer did look a lot better than I originally expected.

Oh, and I'm rooting for Jason. A big guy in a hockey mask is so much more menacing than a facially burned stand-up comedian!

[ANTBond007]

dh, I can tell you that Krueger isn't as menacing as he was in New Nightmare, but he also isn't a complete bafoon, either. He's pretty close to Nightmare 3, if you've seen that. He'll crack a joke or two, but they're very menacing and dark.

*SPOILERS*

For instance, in Jason's dream, Lori (the heroine) rounds a corner as Jason is chased into the lake by a group of kids. She finds two camp counselors having sex and tries to get them to help the boy. "You're not coming?"

Suddenly, the guy turns into Freddy and the woman becomes a cold, grimy corpse. "It's not my fault, this bitch is dead on her feet!"

[El Bracamonti]

i can't fucking wait for this movie. freddy's gonna kick some major ass!

[RickySlade]

is it just me or does anyone else think that Michael Myers might show up?

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by RickySlade
is it just me or does anyone else think that Michael Myers might show up?

Why? Again, he's Dimension's character, not New Line's.

[Lazy Boy]

I'm pretty excited to see it, though I feel like a hypocrite since I hated the NOES series and the Friday the 13th films, which were cheesy as all get out.

I have to go with Jason as the ultimate badass of the two. A guy who doesn't die, yet kills and kills and kills without remorse, as opposed to Freddy, who got on my nerves later in the series with his lame quips. Freddy never scared me...

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
I'm pretty excited to see it, though I feel like a hypocrite since I hated the NOES series and the Friday the 13th films, which were cheesy as all get out.

I have to go with Jason as the ultimate badass of the two. A guy who doesn't die, yet kills and kills and kills without remorse, as opposed to Freddy, who got on my nerves later in the series with his lame quips. Freddy never scared me...

And Jason did? Wow. As a kid, I was terrified of someone like Michael Myers, but Jason always made me laugh.

[Lazy Boy]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
And Jason did? Wow. As a kid, I was terrified of someone like Michael Myers, but Jason always made me laugh.

Yeah, he did terrify me. So?

Michael Myers is scarier than Jason, I will give you that. Both of them are way more frightening than the overrated Krueger.

[MisterTwister]

Freddy Vs Jason is going to the opposite of boring lol its going to be Popcorn fun well gory popcorn fun. Boring is not the word to be used for Freddy Vs Jason cause the tralier and tv spots are awesome...

[ilovemovies]

I am NOT a fan of the Friday the 13th series (the only one I enjoyed was Jason Goes To Hell) but I AM a fan of the Nightmare on Elm Street films. But I am definately SO there opening night. It just looks like GREAT fun. It won't be a great movie but it WILL be great fun. The trailer is really cool but the tv ads are down right awsome!

And wow. Who'd a thunk? A Jason movie with decent production values for a change.

Actually Jason X had a cool albiet absurd special effects sequence when this little ship collides into the space station. It's absurd because the ship remains relatively unscathed but the space station is completely destroyed. But it was neat to watch. Bad movie though.

Also, it looks like they got some decent actors in Freddy Vs. Jason. This will definately be the highlight of August (unless Open Range is GREAT which I think it could very well be).

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

I'm personally not really that worried about either Jason or Freddy's reputation as a horror legend after this, because I'm considering it more of a side story (completely apart), heck, even a "what if" story. Everyone knows that Wes Craven's New Nightmare was a great "bookend" to it all. So why is everyone so cringy? Just get your bucket of popcorn, sit down and have fun with it. Just like Jason X... it has nothing to do with the series really... It's just all for fun. Relax dog! :)

[Frank the Tank]

I can't wait for Friday, but actually Friday's going to suck too because I start school that day.

[sharkstank]

i love both series' but it's been a long time since i saw all of the fridays, so i'm renting them from netfflix. i have the freddy box set, so those are all fresh to me.
i think jason wi;ll win, since it seems he's the "face" here. i've said all i've said about this movie in other threads, but i can't wait.

OONNEE WEEKK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

noes 1----9/10
2----------5/10
3---------7/10
4---------6/10
5--------6/10
6---------5/10
7--------8/10

friday 13th 1-------8/10
2--------------------6/10
3------------------8/10
10------------------7/10

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank
I can't wait for Friday, but actually Friday's going to suck too because I start school that day.

You start school on a friday? Weird.

[movies35]

Don't worry guys. Starting on tuesday I'm renting 8 movies a day. So I will be watching all the Friday the 13th films and NOES films. So I'll get them all watch by Friday afternoon. :)

[Fisting Ackbar]

Originally posted by movies35
Starting on tuesday I'm renting 8 movies a day. So I will be watching all the Friday the 13th films and NOES films. So I'll get them all watch by Friday afternoon. :)

:eek:

Do you actually have a life?

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by Fisting Ackbar
:eek:

Do you actually have a life? :D

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by DevilMonkey
You start school on a friday? Weird.

Yeah I know it's bullshit, because last year we started on a Monday but for some reason those dumbasses are making us go on a full day on Friday.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by movies35
Don't worry guys. Starting on tuesday I'm renting 8 movies a day. So I will be watching all the Friday the 13th films and NOES films. So I'll get them all watch by Friday afternoon. :)

Sounds like a good plan. I'm going to try and do the same. I might even buy the Nightmare box set $90 even though I have not seen any of them other than the first. Should I?

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Freeway
Should I?

It's hard to say. The series has a few wonderful entries (A Nightmare on Elm Street, A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, New Nightmare), a few mediocre entries (A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child, Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare), a bad one (A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master), and one of the worst films ever made (A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge), but this is my opinion, and you could enjoy them all, so, if you want to go for it, awesome. :)

[MisterTwister]

umm Nightmare on elm street 4 is not bad lol its really good Popcorn fun. 6 more days....

[bob]

Me and my buddy have made a pact to go see this film when no one's there and make smartass comments throughout the entire film. Once it hits the second run joints, I'm there!

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by dh1989
It's hard to say. The series has a few wonderful entries (A Nightmare on Elm Street, A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, New Nightmare), a few mediocre entries (A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child, Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare), a bad one (A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master), and one of the worst films ever made (A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge), but this is my opinion, and you could enjoy them all, so, if you want to go for it, awesome. :)

Hey, dh, swap Freddy's Dead for bad and Nightmare 4 for mediocre (it was fun!) ;)

[Frank the Tank]

I went to ifilm.com and watch some clips I have never seen. This movie looks so cool, and I don't really see any humor in the clips I saw.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think this film is going to be a huge hit , for a horror film that is . Most of the people that grew up with both series' will want to watch it , and the new generation of Night and Jason fans will flock to this too , most definitely . I think it's going to be great , and it's a must see in a theater experience . It just won't be the same seeing this without a bunch of other Krueger and Jason fans in a crowded theater ( young and old ) , i can't wait . And , i hope they use both of their respective " themes " at certian points in the film .

[someguy]

I was thinking that Dh would open this thread and have a poll on it where you can choose either Freddy or Jason for the winner. Oh well it's still neato.

[DevilMonkey]

Someguy, thanks btw only The Other can because hes the moderator.

[someguy]

Oh my god. i was thinking of another forum at the time. Whoops. But The Other should have done a poll.

[EvilDeadGirl]

I agree with Dellamorte. I think that there will be some old school Jason and Freddy fans, IE the one's that grew up with the horror duo and the new generation of fans.

Either way this is definately going to be a fun movie. I say fun because you get too see two of the biggest names in horror slice and dice some teens and go at it with each other! I don't know about anyone else but I've been anticipating this film FOREVER! I say that because when I first saw ANOES and Friday 13th I thought "What would happen if these two go at it?" UGH!

4 more days! :)

[ilovemovies]

Here is a negative review for Freddy Vs. Jason (they gave it a 61/100):


I wonder if anyone at New Line thought – before they set out to make Freddy vs. Jason – that there was a problem with the whole concept of facing off two horror movie icons against each other. The problem? If there are two bad guys doing battle, particularly if these are villains who have already proven to be virtually indestructible, where is the suspense? Where is the horror? Don’t horror movies depend on innocent, fearful victims being sliced and diced by the murderous bad guys? Doesn’t a confrontation between two monsters kind of lose the key aspects of horror?

Perhaps someone did ask these questions. If so, that would explain why the confrontation promised by the title of this film doesn’t really begin until well after its half-way point. The problem with this approach, though, is that we’re forced to sit through a pretty mundane series of cut and slash scenes while awaiting the big confrontation, and then when we get it, it’s something of an anti-climax. Yes, it’s kind of fun to see Freddy Krueger, the burnt-faced, blade-fingered Elm Street slasher, pulling Jason Vorhees, the hockey-masked, machete wielding summer campy killer, into service to help Freddy regain his powers. You see, Freddy’s strength comes from the fear of those he pursues. But since his last rampage four years earlier, the townsfolk have been smart – they sent away everyone who knew about Freddy, thereby ridding the town of fear and inoculating themselves against another Freddy attack. That’s why Jason has dropped by; Freddy figures that Jason-inspired terror will give him a Viagra-like boost and allow him to get back into business.

As the two killers begin to reassert themselves, the local populace is confused. The youngsters don’t know what’s going on (“That goalie was pissed about something,” says one teen after one of Jason’s initial slashfests), and the adults don’t understand how their perfect plan can be falling apart. Some of these scenes are pretty good, with standard horror movie killings and some hilarious hallucinations by young people who get their first glimpses of Freddy in their dreams. None of this is spectacular, but it’s at least passable horror fare.

Things get off track once Freddy and Jason start fighting over the privilege of being first in line to kill the locals. How thrilling can it be to watch Jason lop off Freddy’s arm, only to have it grow right back? Freddy impales Jason with rebar, and again, moments later, the victim is back fighting at full throttle. Pretty boring stuff, actually. And while we’re supposed to be cheering for the teens who have set up the confrontation between Freddy and Jason in order to take the heat off the locals, this all seems rather nonsensical, as it’s already clear that neither monster can be killed – at least not for long.

So, here’s a movie caught in its own Catch-22. The horrific indestructibility of Jason and Freddy is a big part of what makes them so scary, but it’s also what makes a fight between them pointless. As a result, it’s not what happens onscreen that matters so much as how they carry it out. If the fighting and maiming and killing is original enough, then maybe we can overlook the pointlessness of it all. Unfortunately, what we see here in Freddy vs. Jason just isn’t thrilling in enough by that measure. Like the later chapters in both of these seemingly endless movie series, it all seems just a bit too familiar and a bit too obvious as to what’s coming next.




Oh well. I still can't wait to see this. Besides, I suppose I expected it to get negative reviews. I was just hoping it would get good ones though.

[movielover999]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Here is a negative review for Freddy Vs. Jason (they gave it a 61/100):


I wonder if anyone at New Line thought – before they set out to make Freddy vs. Jason – that there was a problem with the whole concept of facing off two horror movie icons against each other. The problem? If there are two bad guys doing battle, particularly if these are villains who have already proven to be virtually indestructible, where is the suspense? Where is the horror? Don’t horror movies depend on innocent, fearful victims being sliced and diced by the murderous bad guys? Doesn’t a confrontation between two monsters kind of lose the key aspects of horror?

Perhaps someone did ask these questions. If so, that would explain why the confrontation promised by the title of this film doesn’t really begin until well after its half-way point. The problem with this approach, though, is that we’re forced to sit through a pretty mundane series of cut and slash scenes while awaiting the big confrontation, and then when we get it, it’s something of an anti-climax. Yes, it’s kind of fun to see Freddy Krueger, the burnt-faced, blade-fingered Elm Street slasher, pulling Jason Vorhees, the hockey-masked, machete wielding summer campy killer, into service to help Freddy regain his powers. You see, Freddy’s strength comes from the fear of those he pursues. But since his last rampage four years earlier, the townsfolk have been smart – they sent away everyone who knew about Freddy, thereby ridding the town of fear and inoculating themselves against another Freddy attack. That’s why Jason has dropped by; Freddy figures that Jason-inspired terror will give him a Viagra-like boost and allow him to get back into business.

As the two killers begin to reassert themselves, the local populace is confused. The youngsters don’t know what’s going on (“That goalie was pissed about something,” says one teen after one of Jason’s initial slashfests), and the adults don’t understand how their perfect plan can be falling apart. Some of these scenes are pretty good, with standard horror movie killings and some hilarious hallucinations by young people who get their first glimpses of Freddy in their dreams. None of this is spectacular, but it’s at least passable horror fare.

Things get off track once Freddy and Jason start fighting over the privilege of being first in line to kill the locals. How thrilling can it be to watch Jason lop off Freddy’s arm, only to have it grow right back? Freddy impales Jason with rebar, and again, moments later, the victim is back fighting at full throttle. Pretty boring stuff, actually. And while we’re supposed to be cheering for the teens who have set up the confrontation between Freddy and Jason in order to take the heat off the locals, this all seems rather nonsensical, as it’s already clear that neither monster can be killed – at least not for long.

So, here’s a movie caught in its own Catch-22. The horrific indestructibility of Jason and Freddy is a big part of what makes them so scary, but it’s also what makes a fight between them pointless. As a result, it’s not what happens onscreen that matters so much as how they carry it out. If the fighting and maiming and killing is original enough, then maybe we can overlook the pointlessness of it all. Unfortunately, what we see here in Freddy vs. Jason just isn’t thrilling in enough by that measure. Like the later chapters in both of these seemingly endless movie series, it all seems just a bit too familiar and a bit too obvious as to what’s coming next.




Oh well. I still can't wait to see this. Besides, I suppose I expected it to get negative reviews. I was just hoping it would get good ones though.

Well, it's not really a bad of review as you may think... That site has lower ratings for most movies because they are on a unique grading scale...

It averages out to a 6 out of 10 which is average... Not bad, not good... Just average...

But, this reviewer obviously had no idea what movie he was going to see... He just does not get it... He wants to know why Freddy and Jason are fighting??? Well, the title of the movie tells you that... This reviewer is obviously looking for an inspirational and original movie instead of a good time... He would have been better off staying home and watching Citizen Kane (IMO a horribly boring movie) again...

[dellamorte dellamore]

I recommend that any one who's serious about watching F vs Jason in the theaters , hold back on reading any reviews , until after you have actually seen it . I don't see the point , unless you want surprises ruined for you , or if you're hesitant . I imagine that the people that are going to see this in the cinema have made up their mind long ago , so who cares what some tight ass critic has to say about it , just go and enjoy . And please , when the time comes , don't put Ebert's review in this thread .

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

dellamorte dellamore is right. Besides, I knew from the start that critics would go apeshit all over this film.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
I recommend that any one who's serious about watching F vs Jason in the theaters , hold back on reading any reviews , until after you have actually seen it . I don't see the point , unless you want surprises ruined for you , or if you're hesitant . I imagine that the people that are going to see this in the cinema have made up their mind long ago , so who cares what some tight ass critic has to say about it , just go and enjoy . And please , when the time comes , don't put Ebert's review in this thread .

well said!

[badberry]

Not being a big horror fan, I haven't seen any of the Freddy or Jason movies. I'm thinking that probably doesn't matter that much though. I might check this out, out of curiosity, but I don't expect too much.

[MadsenOMC]

Well, I just got back from seeing it. Let me preface my thoughts by saying that I am a huge fan of horror movies. Far and away my favorite genre. I have been looking forward to this for years. I am a bigger fan of the Jason series. Never cared much for Freddy's one-liners. But I like the Nightmare series as well. If anyone has been reading the reviews on AICN from the Camp HackNSlash event, you'd think this was the best horror film ever made. One attendee even called it the best horror film ever made. Please. It's not even in the top 50. I really don't want to give anything away, but I will still give a SPOILER warning. There is nudity, though there isn't much and it's in the beginning. Females will be happy to know that one dude shows his ass. I was extremely disappointed with the lack of gore. Yes, it is fairly bloody. But it isn't all that gory. There are a couple scenes of gore, but come on. This is Freddy vs. Jason! Limbs should be flying left and right. A big letdown for me. As you would expect, the writing and acting is beyond atrocious. Everyone is flat out terrible, especially the Destiny's Child girl. She is awful. Plus, most of the cast is about 10 years out of high school. It's annoying. Almost every line of dialogue spoken is unintentionally funny. When Jason and Freddy are offscreen, the movie suffers. And they are offscreen way too often. But bad acting and writing are expected in a movie like this. It's the other elements that are supposed to elevate it. There are a few good laughs. After Jason slaughters kids at a rave, a stoner says, "That goalie was pissed." The same stoner is involved in another funny scene involving weed and some Freddy insect creature thing. When the two go head to head, it livens up a bit. They beat each other real good and it's fun to watch. But overall, other than a few laughs, two or three cool kills and the battle towards the end, this is nothing special. I expect that the AICN people are loving it because of the cool event that surrounded the screening. I can forgive a lot in a horror movie, as long as it's fun. And F vs. J is only fun some of the time, not all the time. It's also really boring and uninspired at times. Considering I've been a fan of both series for over 15 years, maybe my expectations were too high. Younger viewers may enjoy it more. But I wanted my ass kicked all over the place, and it wasn't.

4/10

[Freeway]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Well, I just got back from seeing it. Let me preface my thoughts by saying that I am a huge fan of horror movies. Far and away my favorite genre. I have been looking forward to this for years. I am a bigger fan of the Jason series. Never cared much for Freddy's one-liners. But I like the Nightmare series as well. If anyone has been reading the reviews on AICN from the Camp HackNSlash event, you'd think this was the best horror film ever made. One attendee even called it the best horror film ever made. Please. It's not even in the top 50. I really don't want to give anything away, but I will still give a SPOILER warning. There is nudity, though there isn't much and it's in the beginning. Females will be happy to know that one dude shows his ass. I was extremely disappointed with the lack of gore. Yes, it is fairly bloody. But it isn't all that gory. There are a couple scenes of gore, but come on. This is Freddy vs. Jason! Limbs should be flying left and right. A big letdown for me. As you would expect, the writing and acting is beyond atrocious. Everyone is flat out terrible, especially the Destiny's Child girl. She is awful. Plus, most of the cast is about 10 years out of high school. It's annoying. Almost every line of dialogue spoken is unintentionally funny. When Jason and Freddy are offscreen, the movie suffers. And they are offscreen way too often. But bad acting and writing are expected in a movie like this. It's the other elements that are supposed to elevate it. There are a few good laughs. After Jason slaughters kids at a rave, a stoner says, "That goalie was pissed." The same stoner is involved in another funny scene involving weed and some Freddy insect creature thing. When the two go head to head, it livens up a bit. They beat each other real good and it's fun to watch. But overall, other than a few laughs, two or three cool kills and the battle towards the end, this is nothing special. I expect that the AICN people are loving it because of the cool event that surrounded the screening. I can forgive a lot in a horror movie, as long as it's fun. And F vs. J is only fun some of the time, not all the time. It's also really boring and uninspired at times. Considering I've been a fan of both series for over 15 years, maybe my expectations were too high. Younger viewers may enjoy it more. But I wanted my ass kicked all over the place, and it wasn't.

4/10

Doesn't surprise me that you hated it because you hardly like any films, or at least it seems that way. No reviews though are going to deter me from seeing F vs. J because I expected reviews to be bad because critics expect every movie to be the greatest thing ever put on film.

[badberry]

Originally posted by Freeway
No reviews though are going to deter me from seeing F vs. J because I expected reviews to be bad because critics expect every movie to be the greatest thing ever put on film.

Yeah those movie critics never know what the hell they're talking about.... :rolleyes:

They don't expect every film to be great. They expect movies to not suck, which is pretty reasonable in my opinion. And since when is Madsen a film critic anyways?

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I'm watching The New Tom Green Show rght now with Robert Englund. It is soo cool, the crowd is goin nuts... He was talking about the world premiere in Texas. He said that there were 1000 people with tickets priced at $60. They showed the trailers for every Friday the 13th and Nightmare movie before the movie. He went on to say the crowd went completely nuts for the film, he seems really confident that this movie is the shit ( I kno he's supposed to act like that, but it sounded pretty genuine).

Also about MadsenOMC's review... what i read of it sounded pretty well supported, but it still has little effect on my outlooks to this movie. I seem to recall him bashing one of my 2003 favorites about a family of inbred cannibals. So maybe the fact that he disliked FvJ will mean I'm gunna love it all teh more. :cool:

[Scarface98.9]

I'm definitely gonna see it. I'm not the biggest fan of Jason, but the movie looks cool

[movielover999]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Well, I just got back from seeing it. Let me preface my thoughts by saying that I am a huge fan of horror movies. Far and away my favorite genre. I have been looking forward to this for years. I am a bigger fan of the Jason series. Never cared much for Freddy's one-liners. But I like the Nightmare series as well. If anyone has been reading the reviews on AICN from the Camp HackNSlash event, you'd think this was the best horror film ever made. One attendee even called it the best horror film ever made. Please. It's not even in the top 50. I really don't want to give anything away, but I will still give a SPOILER warning. There is nudity, though there isn't much and it's in the beginning. Females will be happy to know that one dude shows his ass. I was extremely disappointed with the lack of gore. Yes, it is fairly bloody. But it isn't all that gory. There are a couple scenes of gore, but come on. This is Freddy vs. Jason! Limbs should be flying left and right. A big letdown for me. As you would expect, the writing and acting is beyond atrocious. Everyone is flat out terrible, especially the Destiny's Child girl. She is awful. Plus, most of the cast is about 10 years out of high school. It's annoying. Almost every line of dialogue spoken is unintentionally funny. When Jason and Freddy are offscreen, the movie suffers. And they are offscreen way too often. But bad acting and writing are expected in a movie like this. It's the other elements that are supposed to elevate it. There are a few good laughs. After Jason slaughters kids at a rave, a stoner says, "That goalie was pissed." The same stoner is involved in another funny scene involving weed and some Freddy insect creature thing. When the two go head to head, it livens up a bit. They beat each other real good and it's fun to watch. But overall, other than a few laughs, two or three cool kills and the battle towards the end, this is nothing special. I expect that the AICN people are loving it because of the cool event that surrounded the screening. I can forgive a lot in a horror movie, as long as it's fun. And F vs. J is only fun some of the time, not all the time. It's also really boring and uninspired at times. Considering I've been a fan of both series for over 15 years, maybe my expectations were too high. Younger viewers may enjoy it more. But I wanted my ass kicked all over the place, and it wasn't.


4/10


Where did you see this movie at??? There is only nudity only during the opening scene, huh???

Most of the cast seems 10 years out of high school??? Thats strange... There real ages were are all between 16 and 21 years old during shooting with the exception of one character... Some of them still are in high school...

[dellamorte dellamore]

I'm not a big fan of gore anymore , unless it serves a specific purpose , so that's not a negative . Nudity , i can always rent a porno , or watch MTV ( close enough ) , so that's not a negative either .


What i do want is a " believable " fantasy world that captures a certain magic and coveys a sense of horrific surrealism . If they have created that nightmare world effectively , i'll be more than satisfied . I always felt , you create the world first , and everything will fall into place . All effective horror films ( any film for that matter ) have done this The trailers look they have , but you never know .

[jackson13]

A bunch of guys at work, along with me, wanna see this real bad. We talk about it all the time, and a couple of us are planning on going together to see it. One thing thats really gotten us talking lately is the fact that no one knows who wins, or if anyone even does. I brought up how cool I think it would be if Mike Myers showed up and it turned into a '3 way dance'. I was reading in EW today that some guy who was involved in this movie, also owns the rights to Mike Myers and that if this one does well, they might make a sequel involving all 3. I'd see it.


Anyways, I'll be there opening night, I plan on going to the latest show possible, just for added effect. This movies gonna rock and roll and be #1!!!!

[blankpage]

Looks like it'll kick some ass. If you ask me, Freddy will win, if either of them will win at all. This should be some good fun, and I can't wait.

[movies35]

Originally posted by movielover999
Where did you see this movie at???

I'm sure he saw it at the world premiere. It seems a few people from JoBlo went.

[MadsenOMC]

First of all, I have been a movie critic for over 8 years. I review movies for the daily paper in Milwaukee, where I live and where I saw the movie. Second, I like plenty of movies, it's just usually more fun to write about the ones I didn't like. Third, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of seeing it. I don't remember writing "Don't see this movie." I hope it does well and I hope you all go see it. I was just voicing my own opinion.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
First of all, I have been a movie critic for over 8 years. I review movies for the daily paper in Milwaukee, where I live and where I saw the movie. Second, I like plenty of movies, it's just usually more fun to write about the ones I didn't like. Third, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of seeing it. I don't remember writing "Don't see this movie." I hope it does well and I hope you all go see it. I was just voicing my own opinion.

We're not allowed opinions 'round these parts ;)

[JoBlo]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Well, I just got back from seeing it. Let me preface my thoughts by saying that I am a huge fan of horror movies. Far and away my favorite genre. I have been looking forward to this for years. I am a bigger fan of the Jason series. Never cared much for Freddy's one-liners. But I like the Nightmare series as well. If anyone has been reading the reviews on AICN from the Camp HackNSlash event, you'd think this was the best horror film ever made. One attendee even called it the best horror film ever made. Please. It's not even in the top 50. I really don't want to give anything away, but I will still give a SPOILER warning. There is nudity, though there isn't much and it's in the beginning. Females will be happy to know that one dude shows his ass. I was extremely disappointed with the lack of gore. Yes, it is fairly bloody. But it isn't all that gory. There are a couple scenes of gore, but come on. This is Freddy vs. Jason! Limbs should be flying left and right. A big letdown for me. As you would expect, the writing and acting is beyond atrocious. Everyone is flat out terrible, especially the Destiny's Child girl. She is awful. Plus, most of the cast is about 10 years out of high school. It's annoying. Almost every line of dialogue spoken is unintentionally funny. When Jason and Freddy are offscreen, the movie suffers. And they are offscreen way too often. But bad acting and writing are expected in a movie like this. It's the other elements that are supposed to elevate it. There are a few good laughs. After Jason slaughters kids at a rave, a stoner says, "That goalie was pissed." The same stoner is involved in another funny scene involving weed and some Freddy insect creature thing. When the two go head to head, it livens up a bit. They beat each other real good and it's fun to watch. But overall, other than a few laughs, two or three cool kills and the battle towards the end, this is nothing special. I expect that the AICN people are loving it because of the cool event that surrounded the screening. I can forgive a lot in a horror movie, as long as it's fun. And F vs. J is only fun some of the time, not all the time. It's also really boring and uninspired at times. Considering I've been a fan of both series for over 15 years, maybe my expectations were too high. Younger viewers may enjoy it more. But I wanted my ass kicked all over the place, and it wasn't.

4/10

Nice review. I saw the film yesterday and would agree with many of your points, although I liked it a little more than you did (5/10) and am normally NOT a major fan of the horror genre (I don't mind it). I didn't think the acting and dialogue were all that bad, but the story just didn't do it for me. It seemed like they spent more time building up this whole bogus back-story with these useless teens, while all the time I'm sitting there going "Let's get Freddy and Jason to fight, yo!!".

The film's final 20-30 minutes are a blast, but by that time, I was kind of pissed by the proceedings. The editing was also pretty shoddy and the soundtrack, lacking. After 12 years of buildup, I'd have thought they could have come up with a MUCH "funner" movie than this one...

Oh well....

[MadsenOMC]

Thank you. I agree 100% about there being too much build up and too much time spent on the lame teens. I think that's why the acting and dialogue bothered me. Normally, in a horror movie I could care less. But there's just too much of it here. I also agree about the last 20-30 minutes being a lot of fun, but too little, too late.

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Thank you. I agree 100% about there being too much build up and too much time spent on the lame teens. I think that's why the acting and dialogue bothered me. Normally, in a horror movie I could care less. But there's just too much of it here. I also agree about the last 20-30 minutes being a lot of fun, but too little, too late.


say it aint so........This movie needs to do well for Ash to come outta retirement

[blankpage]

I got my Famous Players showtime e-mail and noticed the film wast rated R. Which may not sound big to you folk down in the States, but up here in Canada, the R rating is the equivalent to NC-17 in the States (pretty sure). That sucks for me, because I'm looking forward to it. It'll be pretty hard for me to see it, unless it comes to the cheap theatre. What pisses me off even more is after reading Madsen's review, and learning not much gore, that they give it an R rating. Sometimes I don't know how the minds of the MPAA (in U.S., Canada, and UK) work.

[The Prowler]

Now that I think about it, this is probably my most anticipated movie so far this year. I mean all of us schmoes over at The Arrow have been talking about this and waiting patiently for it seems years. I was not a big fan of Jason X and I am hoping this is at least better than that one. I am more of an old school affectionado so I really enjoy the first 6 Fridays and the first couple of Elm Streets. I will probably see this on friday after work cause my anticipation is killing me. So far this year has been good for horror with Wrong Turn, 28 Days Later, Final Destination 2, and House of 1000 Corpses. I hope this movie does not disappoint.

[someguy]

It gets a 15 in the U.K. and an NC-17 equivalent in Canada? This gets me angry. I want to see it soooooooo bad and now I can't. I can never see a single Freddy or Jason film in theatres and now I can't see the one where they're in together. I'll do anything in my power to see this. But I'm not exactly sure. I checked the sites where they have the ratings and I didn't see a classifacation for FVJ yet. Maybe they'll come to their sense and give it an 18a. I mean they say Wrong Turn ios gorier and in a more serious light and that gets an 18a. I bet it's because of the movies reputation. Damnit.

[ANTBond007]

I saw it. Madsen isn't far off with the teens. While I didn't find it annoying that the film focused on them -- and in fact, I thought a few of the subplots were quite interesting -- the simple truth is that the acting is flat-out atrocious. Jason Ritter is downright laughable.

That said, I enjoyed the film. A lot. Englund plays Krueger with style, making him a combination of his Part 3 and Part 4 persona. Funny, but very cruel. And Ken Kirzinger may very well be my favorite Jason. The guy is awesome.

I'll write a review later when I can properly jot down my thoughts.

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by jackson13
I was reading in EW today that some guy who was involved in this movie, also owns the rights to Mike Myers and that if this one does well, they might That would rock. But I always thought Michael Myers wasn't the same level of killer as Freddy or Jason because he isn't super human. Or am I wrong?

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by DevilMonkey
That would rock. But I always thought Michael Myers wasn't the same level of killer as Freddy or Jason because he isn't super human. Or am I wrong?

EW mentioned Joe Wolf holding the rights, which isn't true. It won't happen.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
That said, I enjoyed the film. A lot. Englund plays Krueger with style, making him a combination of his Part 3 and Part 4 persona. Funny, but very cruel. And Ken Kirzinger may very well be my favorite Jason. The guy is awesome.

I'll write a review later when I can properly jot down my thoughts.

Oh thank God you liked it... I was starting to worry that it really is going to suck. At least there is one person who enjoyed it and that's enough to keep my hopes up....

I look forward to reading your full review.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Females will be happy to know that one dude shows his ass.

Good enough for me. :)

[ilovemovies]

Oh I don't care if this movie gets even worse reviews than Gigli! I'll still be very excited about this movie (it should be noted though that I actually liked Gigli). James Berardeleni(sp?) gave it * * (out of * * * * ) but I don't care. This is going to be one of my favorite movies of the year for awhile, I'm sure of it.


It should also be noted that I don't like the Friday the 13th series at all. The only one I thought was dumb fun was Jason Goes to Hell (and that was probably because it was a rip-off of one of my favorite sci-fi horror films, The Hidden), the rest was just plain dumb and the first one was TRULY inept. BUT, I love the Freddy Krueger movies. I think they are pretty imaginitive and creative and just a lot of fun. Everything I've seen from this movie (including the clips over at ifilm.com) leads to conclude that this will be the kick ass movie of the summer!

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by Horror whore
Good enough for me. :)

But both Odessa Munroe and Katherine Isabelle go buck naked ;)

[Horror whore]

For anyone who has seen it, is there a clear winner? PLEASE don't say who though...

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by Horror whore
For anyone who has seen it, is there a clear winner? PLEASE don't say who though...

Well, *I* think there's a winner. But others may think it's the other one. It's really debatable, as an argument can be made for both.

[Scully1888]

Originally posted by someguy
It gets a 15 in the U.K. and an NC-17 equivalent in Canada? This gets me angry.

Prepare to get angrier.

It's got an 18 in the UK, not a 15.

[movielover999]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
I saw it. Madsen isn't far off with the teens. While I didn't find it annoying that the film focused on them -- and in fact, I thought a few of the subplots were quite interesting -- the simple truth is that the acting is flat-out atrocious. Jason Ritter is downright laughable.

Damn that Brad Renfro and his abusive drug habits... He would have been much better in the part I would think...

The movie should have had a different cast...

Seriously, where did Ronny Yu pick these actors from??? Out of a back dumpster in a parking lot???

All Monica Keena had to do was let out a scream and she got the part... What a fucking joke... At least put some effort into picking your actors...

[ANTBond007]

http://www.frailart.net/members/DrkShp/newfvj1.jpeg

There was a part of me that tried to stay timid about the concept of Freddy vs. Jason. After all, this was a film I'd been looking forward to since age six, when I saw Freddy's Dead in the theatre with my father. What if, after this long a wait, they'd screwed up? If the film itself is terrible and relies on too many in-jokes? And yet, when that blood red New Line logo appeared on screen to both series' themes, all seemed right in the world.

In an opening monologue that starts off brilliantly but becomes a little melodramatic by the end, we again re-learn the history of Freddy Krueger; his lust for the deaths of children and his burning at the hands of the parents of Springwood. Clips from all six "official" Nightmare films play as Krueger spells out his horrifying history. But then we learn that he's been forgotten and is therefore powerless. "Being dead was fine, but forgotten? That's a bitch!"

Freddy wants to instill fear on Elm Street, and to do so, he appears in Jason's own personal hell as his mother (Paula Shaw, doing a fantastic Betsy Palmer impression). Jason, not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, believes it word for word and is awakened where he last fell in Jason Goes to Hell. And then, it's off to Springwood...

I admire the writers who, from this point forward, try to give us characters to enjoy and root for. After all, cool as it may sound, 90 minutes of Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees hacking away at each other would get a bit old. Unfortunately, despite a few decent subplots and an interesting twist about the heroine's mother, we're made to hate the characters due to utterly terrible performances (not to name names or anything, but Jason Ritter... you actually got hired on a soap?).

Monica Keena, who plays Lori, looks to be on the verge of tears throughout the entire film. This leads to some good moments, however, so it's not completely terrible. Kelly Rowland is fine as Kia, and contrary to what I've heard, she doesn't mumble the dreaded F-word too often. Lochlyn Munroe is fairly charming as Deputy Stubbs and Kyle Labine's stoner Freeburg scored some good laughs from the audience ("That goalie was seriously pissed about something").

And now onto the title characters. Robert Englund plays Freddy Krueger for the first time since 1991 (Wes Craven's New Nightmare, great as it may be, did not feature the "real" Freddy), and it's a bit of a convergence of his previous performances. Freddy here comes off as a twisted combination of Nightmares 3 and 4; willing to make a joke, but cruel as hell. Even in his worst moments, Krueger never shows the incompetence that reared its ugly head in The Dream Child and Freddy's Dead.

Much controversy has been made about Ken Kirzinger and his replacement of Kane Hodder as Jason. While a few die hard Friday the 13th fans may lynch me for this, I felt Kirzinger's portrayal was head and shoulders better than what Kane pulled off in his four stints with the hockey mask. The man has serious screen presence, and he doesn't need John Carl Buechler's make-up or a ridiculous heaving chest to pull it off.

The final 30 minutes of the film are devoted to the battle of the two behemoths. What comes here is by far the goriest fight ever seen in mainstream cinema. Ronny Yu stages their battles to perfection, pitting Jason's strength against Freddy's speed and intelligence. Props to Englund and Yu for one brilliant moment in which Krueger realizes he's in the real world and sees Jason five feet away.

And what of the ending? Well, the final moments were screened, and while I won't spoil it, I found the final frames immensely satisfying and think they will please anyone who sees the film, whether they're cheering for Mr. Voorhees or Mr. Krueger.

What we have here is a slasher film with atrocious acting (worst than many other films in the genre), and yet it lives up to its premise with decent subplots, one of Englund's better Freddy performances, and Ken Kirzinger stepping up to the plate and out-doing Kane Hodder step for step. Their battle is one of the coolest, bloodiest things I've seen all year and, dare I say it...

...it was worth the wait.

9/10

[Gravedigger]

I've been waiting for this, like alot of you Freddy and Jason fans, for a long time. I know where my butt will planted on Aug.15th!

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Skimmed ur review ANTBond! What i read sounded really good!!

:D YAY!

I CANT WAIT TO C WHO WINS!!!

[Horror whore]

This movie currently has 4 fresh and 3 rotten reviews at Rotten Tomatoes...

"I dare you not to have fun watching Freddy Vs. Jason. It’s the most entertaining film of the summer, the best slasher in years, and one of the best pictures [of] 2003."
-- Alex Sandell, JUICY CEREBELLUM

"For the first time since Scream, the slasher genre shows signs of life (was that in poor taste?)."
-- Rob Blackwelder, SPLICEDWIRE

"Offers the curiously heady equation of its titular bogeys to some sort of modern holy pantheon."
-- Walter Chaw, FILM FREAK CENTRAL

"Once they cut to the chase (literally) and start brawling, we get our money’s worth."
-- Sean O'Connell, FILMCRITIC.COM

"Like the later chapters in both of these seemingly endless movie series, it all seems just a bit too familiar and a bit too obvious as to what’s coming next."
-- Brian Webster, APOLLO GUIDE

"More clever than your average Friday the 13th but certainly not as meta as any Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy Vs. Jason basically comes down to just another teen horror movie."
-- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE

Even the rotten reviews make it sound good to me! I can't wait for Friday!

[MadsenOMC]

You can't rip off The Hidden. That movie is a rip off of many other movies. It's still cool though. I am stunned that someone liked Ken Kirzinger (sp?) as Jason and liked him more than Kane Hodder. What does he do that is so special? The whole time I was watching the movie, I kept thinking to myself, why did they get rid of Kane? This guy does absolutely nothing that Kane couldn't have done better. NOTHING. Seriously nothing. I am really not sure what you saw that I didn't. I saw nothing impressive, to say the least.

[ANTBond007]

Kirzinger could just stand there and you'd know it, something that Hodder hasn't pulled off since The New Blood, if even then. Kirzinger also reminds me much more of the Jasons past; of Warrington Gilette, Richard Brooker, and Ted White, specifically.

Essentially, I loved the fact that he was emotionless, and yet somehow pulled off emotion. I felt Hodder became a self-parody by the end of his days, with his cartoon-like heaving and massive torso.

[MadsenOMC]

I didn't notice a whole lot of difference between the two actors. Jason hasn't been scary in forever and he isn't scary here either. It's the usual Jason. The zombie that can't be stopped. Maybe there are differences if you really pay close attention. Obviously I can't say you're wrong. But, seeing as how Jason isn't scary anymore and probably never will be again, I like what Kane has done with the character. And I wish he was in it.

[someguy]

Originally posted by blankpage
I got my Famous Players showtime e-mail and noticed the film wast rated R. Which may not sound big to you folk down in the States, but up here in Canada, the R rating is the equivalent to NC-17 in the States (pretty sure). That sucks for me, because I'm looking forward to it. It'll be pretty hard for me to see it, unless it comes to the cheap theatre. What pisses me off even more is after reading Madsen's review, and learning not much gore, that they give it an R rating. Sometimes I don't know how the minds of the MPAA (in U.S., Canada, and UK) work.


I e-mailed the person in charge of rating films in Canada and he told me that the film has been rated 18a. The theatres simply assumed of the rating and gave it an R. If you check the Famous Players site now it will list it with an 18a rating.

[Ron34]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
http://www.frailart.net/members/DrkShp/newfvj1.jpeg

There was a part of me that tried to stay timid about the concept of Freddy vs. Jason. After all, this was a film I'd been looking forward to since age six, when I saw Freddy's Dead in the theatre with my father. What if, after this long a wait, they'd screwed up? If the film itself is terrible and relies on too many in-jokes? And yet, when that blood red New Line logo appeared on screen to both series' themes, all seemed right in the world.

In an opening monologue that starts off brilliantly but becomes a little melodramatic by the end, we again re-learn the history of Freddy Krueger; his lust for the deaths of children and his burning at the hands of the parents of Springwood. Clips from all six "official" Nightmare films play as Krueger spells out his horrifying history. But then we learn that he's been forgotten and is therefore powerless. "Being dead was fine, but forgotten? That's a bitch!"

Freddy wants to instill fear on Elm Street, and to do so, he appears in Jason's own personal hell as his mother (Paula Shaw, doing a fantastic Betsy Palmer impression). Jason, not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, believes it word for word and is awakened where he last fell in Jason Goes to Hell. And then, it's off to Springwood...

I admire the writers who, from this point forward, try to give us characters to enjoy and root for. After all, cool as it may sound, 90 minutes of Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees hacking away at each other would get a bit old. Unfortunately, despite a few decent subplots and an interesting twist about the heroine's mother, we're made to hate the characters due to utterly terrible performances (not to name names or anything, but Jason Ritter... you actually got hired on a soap?).

Monica Keena, who plays Lori, looks to be on the verge of tears throughout the entire film. This leads to some good moments, however, so it's not completely terrible. Kelly Rowland is fine as Kia, and contrary to what I've heard, she doesn't mumble the dreaded F-word too often. Lochlyn Munroe is fairly charming as Deputy Stubbs and Kyle Labine's stoner Freeburg scored some good laughs from the audience ("That goalie was seriously pissed about something").

And now onto the title characters. Robert Englund plays Freddy Krueger for the first time since 1991 (Wes Craven's New Nightmare, great as it may be, did not feature the "real" Freddy), and it's a bit of a convergence of his previous performances. Freddy here comes off as a twisted combination of Nightmares 3 and 4; willing to make a joke, but cruel as hell. Even in his worst moments, Krueger never shows the incompetence that reared its ugly head in The Dream Child and Freddy's Dead.

Much controversy has been made about Ken Kirzinger and his replacement of Kane Hodder as Jason. While a few die hard Friday the 13th fans may lynch me for this, I felt Kirzinger's portrayal was head and shoulders better than what Kane pulled off in his four stints with the hockey mask. The man has serious screen presence, and he doesn't need John Carl Buechler's make-up or a ridiculous heaving chest to pull it off.

The final 30 minutes of the film are devoted to the battle of the two behemoths. What comes here is by far the goriest fight ever seen in mainstream cinema. Ronny Yu stages their battles to perfection, pitting Jason's strength against Freddy's speed and intelligence. Props to Englund and Yu for one brilliant moment in which Krueger realizes he's in the real world and sees Jason five feet away.

And what of the ending? Well, the final moments were screened, and while I won't spoil it, I found the final frames immensely satisfying and think they will please anyone who sees the film, whether they're cheering for Mr. Voorhees or Mr. Krueger.

What we have here is a slasher film with atrocious acting (worst than many other films in the genre), and yet it lives up to its premise with decent subplots, one of Englund's better Freddy performances, and Ken Kirzinger stepping up to the plate and out-doing Kane Hodder step for step. Their battle is one of the coolest, bloodiest things I've seen all year and, dare I say it...

...it was worth the wait.

9/10


now i cant wait to see this film!

[Mike]

There's an exclusive clip of Freddy vs. Jason to be shown on the WB tonight during the 2001 horror flick Valentine.

[movies35]

Originally posted by Mike
There's an exclusive clip of Freddy vs. Jason to be shown on the WB tonight during the 2001 horror flick Valentine.

Thanks for the great news Mike! It's a good thing I was planning on watching "Valentine" tonight, since the only time I ever saw it was on a bootleg.

[Hannibal21]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
http://www.frailart.net/members/DrkShp/newfvj1.jpeg

There was a part of me that tried to stay timid about the concept of Freddy vs. Jason. After all, this was a film I'd been looking forward to since age six, when I saw Freddy's Dead in the theatre with my father. What if, after this long a wait, they'd screwed up? If the film itself is terrible and relies on too many in-jokes? And yet, when that blood red New Line logo appeared on screen to both series' themes, all seemed right in the world.

In an opening monologue that starts off brilliantly but becomes a little melodramatic by the end, we again re-learn the history of Freddy Krueger; his lust for the deaths of children and his burning at the hands of the parents of Springwood. Clips from all six "official" Nightmare films play as Krueger spells out his horrifying history. But then we learn that he's been forgotten and is therefore powerless. "Being dead was fine, but forgotten? That's a bitch!"

Freddy wants to instill fear on Elm Street, and to do so, he appears in Jason's own personal hell as his mother (Paula Shaw, doing a fantastic Betsy Palmer impression). Jason, not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, believes it word for word and is awakened where he last fell in Jason Goes to Hell. And then, it's off to Springwood...

I admire the writers who, from this point forward, try to give us characters to enjoy and root for. After all, cool as it may sound, 90 minutes of Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees hacking away at each other would get a bit old. Unfortunately, despite a few decent subplots and an interesting twist about the heroine's mother, we're made to hate the characters due to utterly terrible performances (not to name names or anything, but Jason Ritter... you actually got hired on a soap?).

Monica Keena, who plays Lori, looks to be on the verge of tears throughout the entire film. This leads to some good moments, however, so it's not completely terrible. Kelly Rowland is fine as Kia, and contrary to what I've heard, she doesn't mumble the dreaded F-word too often. Lochlyn Munroe is fairly charming as Deputy Stubbs and Kyle Labine's stoner Freeburg scored some good laughs from the audience ("That goalie was seriously pissed about something").

And now onto the title characters. Robert Englund plays Freddy Krueger for the first time since 1991 (Wes Craven's New Nightmare, great as it may be, did not feature the "real" Freddy), and it's a bit of a convergence of his previous performances. Freddy here comes off as a twisted combination of Nightmares 3 and 4; willing to make a joke, but cruel as hell. Even in his worst moments, Krueger never shows the incompetence that reared its ugly head in The Dream Child and Freddy's Dead.

Much controversy has been made about Ken Kirzinger and his replacement of Kane Hodder as Jason. While a few die hard Friday the 13th fans may lynch me for this, I felt Kirzinger's portrayal was head and shoulders better than what Kane pulled off in his four stints with the hockey mask. The man has serious screen presence, and he doesn't need John Carl Buechler's make-up or a ridiculous heaving chest to pull it off.

The final 30 minutes of the film are devoted to the battle of the two behemoths. What comes here is by far the goriest fight ever seen in mainstream cinema. Ronny Yu stages their battles to perfection, pitting Jason's strength against Freddy's speed and intelligence. Props to Englund and Yu for one brilliant moment in which Krueger realizes he's in the real world and sees Jason five feet away.

And what of the ending? Well, the final moments were screened, and while I won't spoil it, I found the final frames immensely satisfying and think they will please anyone who sees the film, whether they're cheering for Mr. Voorhees or Mr. Krueger.

What we have here is a slasher film with atrocious acting (worst than many other films in the genre), and yet it lives up to its premise with decent subplots, one of Englund's better Freddy performances, and Ken Kirzinger stepping up to the plate and out-doing Kane Hodder step for step. Their battle is one of the coolest, bloodiest things I've seen all year and, dare I say it...

...it was worth the wait.

9/10

Great review, ANTBond007! Now my expectations for this film have reached a bit more. :cool:

[MadsenOMC]

Other than Joblo's reasonable and accurate 5/10, I expect an objective review for this movie will be hard to find. Critics will be way too harsh, as they always are with horror movies. And fans will be way too forgiving, as they usually are with horror movies. The same thing happened with Wrong Turn and House of 1,000 Corpses. As I have said before, I am a die-hard horror freak. But Wrong Turn and House of 1,000 Corpses are mediocre at best. Wrong Turn, I'd say, is a generic waste of film. Yet with both, critics tore them a new one and horror fans raved. I imagine the same thing is going to happen with Freddy Vs. Jason. Horror fans will love it because they think they should. Critics will hate it because they have no understanding of or respect for the genre. And the reality of it is somewhere in the middle. It's a mediocre movie. Of course, this is all just my opinion.

[Inglorious]

I'm so excited for this movie!!! I get to see it tomorrow at 2pm! I'll post a review some where on the boards; so exciting! :eek:

[Invincible]

lOL, whats with the colorful words? whats this the circus? lol...

I can't wait to see this movie, gonna kick ass.

[badberry]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Other than Joblo's reasonable and accurate 5/10, I expect an objective review for this movie will be hard to find. Critics will be way too harsh, as they always are with horror movies. And fans will be way too forgiving, as they usually are with horror movies. The same thing happened with Wrong Turn and House of 1,000 Corpses. As I have said before, I am a die-hard horror freak. But Wrong Turn and House of 1,000 Corpses are mediocre at best. Wrong Turn, I'd say, is a generic waste of film. Yet with both, critics tore them a new one and horror fans raved. I imagine the same thing is going to happen with Freddy Vs. Jason. Horror fans will love it because they think they should. Critics will hate it because they have no understanding of or respect for the genre. And the reality of it is somewhere in the middle. It's a mediocre movie. Of course, this is all just my opinion.

That's pretty much bang on. I predict reviews to be quite polarized as well.

I really don't understand all the raving about Wrong Turn on these boards.

[Ren Hoek]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Other than Joblo's reasonable and accurate 5/10, I expect an objective review for this movie will be hard to find. Critics will be way too harsh, as they always are with horror movies. And fans will be way too forgiving, as they usually are with horror movies. The same thing happened with Wrong Turn and House of 1,000 Corpses. As I have said before, I am a die-hard horror freak. But Wrong Turn and House of 1,000 Corpses are mediocre at best. Wrong Turn, I'd say, is a generic waste of film. Yet with both, critics tore them a new one and horror fans raved. I imagine the same thing is going to happen with Freddy Vs. Jason. Horror fans will love it because they think they should. Critics will hate it because they have no understanding of or respect for the genre. And the reality of it is somewhere in the middle. It's a mediocre movie. Of course, this is all just my opinion.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Don't get me wrong, I love reading what the schmoes think of a movie; however, I find most reviews of genre flicks (particularly horror, but also fantasy and sci-fi) to be far too one-sided and, well, forgiving. The lots of 9/10 and 10/10 ratings for films such as WRONG TURN, HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES and MAY speak for themselves, and the same goes for ANTBond007's (very good, btw) review: while it is obvious that he enjoyed the movie, some of the flaws he mentioned make it a highly unlikely candidate for a 9/10 (which is, according to my grading system, a masterpiece) ...well, in my humble opinion, that is :)

Anyways, I'll be seeing this movie tomorrow and am definitely looking forward to it.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Invincible
lOL, whats with the colorful words? whats this the circus? lol...

If you are referring to 'DevilMonkey''s initial post, those are the colors of Freddy Krueger's sweater. If you meant the quotes 'Horror Whore' posted, I s'pose she just liked it more than the bland BOLD or ITALLIC words that most schmoes use, and I agree with her, I like colored words in certain cases.

[Ren Hoek]

Red is for "fresh", green stands for a "rotten" rating at rottentomatoes.com, Vince! ;)

[MadsenOMC]

Well said Ren. I completely agree. And I just want to make clear that I am not attacking horror fans or anyone's review. But I do think there is definitely bias towards horror and other genre flicks. Like Ren said, an abundance of 9/10 and 10/10. If someone disagrees, please offer your take.

[Invincible]

Dmonkeys...

not whores

[Lazy Boy]

Personally, I don't expect to give the movie anything higher than a 7/10...all I expect out of it is cheesy, dumb fun, and that's it. None of the Jason or Freddy Krueger films were anywhere near 9/10 or 10/10 in my opinion, and this probably won't change that fact, but I still look forward to seeing it.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by RenHoek
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Don't get me wrong, I love reading what the schmoes think of a movie; however, I find most reviews of genre flicks (particularly horror, but also fantasy and sci-fi) to be far too one-sided and, well, forgiving. The lots of 9/10 and 10/10 ratings for films such as WRONG TURN, HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES and MAY speak for themselves, and the same goes for ANTBond007's (very good, btw) review: while it is obvious that he enjoyed the movie, some of the flaws he mentioned make it a highly unlikely candidate for a 9/10 (which is, according to my grading system, a masterpiece) ...well, in my humble opinion, that is :)

Anyways, I'll be seeing this movie tomorrow and am definitely looking forward to it.

I completely understand what you mean by that. I graded it a 9/10 on what I think of as my horror scale -- did it scare me? Absolutely not. But I jumped once, so there's a brownie point. Next question -- did it thrill me? And it did. A lot.

Hence, the 9/10. Now, if I was comparing this with every movie I'd ever seen and it was on an even scale, it'd be more like a 7.5/10.

[MadsenOMC]

Personally, I think one should judge a movie generally. But if you want to judge it by genre, I think you need to point that out. 9/10 for a horror movie, 7.5/10 otherwise. That makes a difference. I also beg to differ that it's by far the goriest fight in mainstream cinema history. Let's consider something before making a blanket statement like that. First of all, I would argue that it isn't even all that gory. It's extremely bloody to be sure, but not extremely gory. People are mixing up the two sometimes. Bloody is not the same as gory. This movie is very bloody, not very gory (at least not nearly enough considering what it is). For me, the fight doesn't come close to matching the brutality of Ed Norton pummeling Jared Leto in Fight Club. That's off the top of my head. I'm sure thinking about it could produce many more examples. Last, I made this mistake as well. In the rave scene, it is not a rave. A group of people drinking beer in a field is not a rave. Gotta say that I think Joblo's review is dead on. I'm glad Arrow liked it, but for this fan of both series, the flaws outweigh the assets. Way too much pointless and boring backstory. Not enough of Freddy and Jason.

[Ren Hoek]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
I completely understand what you mean by that. I graded it a 9/10 on what I think of as my horror scale -- did it scare me? Absolutely not. But I jumped once, so there's a brownie point. Next question -- did it thrill me? And it did. A lot.

Hence, the 9/10. Now, if I was comparing this with every movie I'd ever seen and it was on an even scale, it'd be more like a 7.5/10.
Alright, I see where you're coming from. I myself use the same rating scale for every genre. The pure entertainment factor is definitely more important to me than technical perfection (and what is perfection anyway?), but I rarely give a 9/10 or 10/10 rating to films which are merely great fun rides but don't have much else to offer. E.g. while I find THE SHINING and FINAL DESTINATION almost equally entertaining, I wouldn't give the latter a higher grade than 6/10, simply because it can't hold a candle to the great cinematography, good acting, and intelligent screenplay of Kubrick's movie (which I give a 9/10 BTW). I hope you can see what I'm talking about.


And I just came back from FREDDY VS. JASON. My review will be up later tonight... (not that anyone cares :p)

[blankpage]

Originally posted by someguy
I e-mailed the person in charge of rating films in Canada and he told me that the film has been rated 18a. The theatres simply assumed of the rating and gave it an R. If you check the Famous Players site now it will list it with an 18a rating.

Yeah, I just got a brand new showtimes list, and I too noticed it was rated 18A! OMG, I am so pleased now. I'm probably checking this one out today now! Life is good, life is good.

[spacemonkey]

Saw it last night and loooooved it!

I litterally had a smile on my face the whole time! This movie is made to please the horror fans, and trust me it does just that!

The Good stuff:

-The Blood flows in large amounts. Blood splurts and gushes all over the place like theres no tomorrow. I feel like the mpaa didnt even see this film and just sort of let it slip by them, you know.
Lots of decapitations and dismemberment! Thank you Ronny Yu!

-The fights between freddy and Jason were incredible! They really hack each other up! Freddy was particularly menacing and even more evil then his previous films. Each character was placed in their respective environments and was given a chance to shine.

-The nudity was really good! Thank you Ronny Yu for making sure all the girls were very gifted in the breast department! I mean, lets face it all the girls in this film are big breasted! Huge, and beautifull and lots of it!

-The audience really, really dug this movie! People were clapping and cheering and thats allways a good thing in a movie! It was cool to see that people were actually into the flick.

The Bad:

-Lori was fine, she did a good job acting wise. But the other teen actors really really sucked the big one.

- I didnt like how they figured out Freddy was using Jason. Specially since these kids dont know who the fuck Jason is and know next to nothing on Freddy. Suddenly they are experts. That was the only real problem I had with it. That part of the movie was not credible, simply because these kids come up with these ideas out of thin air...then live by them like they were carved in stone.

Conclusion:

This film rocks! Itll please all of you horror loving...freddy and jason fans! Trust me, youll pee your pants.

Ronny Yu knew what horror fans wanted to see and he gave it to us! Put some of the dumb dialogue and bad acting aside and enjoy this rollercoaster ride of a horror movie.

Fun Times!

[Hannibal21]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
Personally, I don't expect to give the movie anything higher than a 7/10...all I expect out of it is cheesy, dumb fun, and that's it. None of the Jason or Freddy Krueger films were anywhere near 9/10 or 10/10 in my opinion, and this probably won't change that fact, but I still look forward to seeing it.

Same here also. I'm a big fan of both the FRIDAY THE 13TH and ANOES movies but never gave them 9/10 or 10/10's, and this looks like fun, but by no means will it be a 'great' movie. But I don't care, I always have a soft spot for these type of silly popcorn movies that are gory and fun, hopefully that's what I'll get. :D I'll be seeing this in a few hours....

[MadsenOMC]

For die-hard fans of both series, horror geeks and maybe even general audiences, it seems that there will be two categories of viewers. One is the viewer just looking for Freddy and Jason to kill people, and some nudity. And that's it. They don't care about bad acting, bad dialogue, anything that makes no sense, too much time spent on the teens and their backstory, etc. The second viewer had loftier expectations. With this long in development pairing of two classic horror villains, some were expecting to have their ass kicked all over the place and a lot of screen time devoted to Freddy and Jason, to hell with the teens. Nothing wrong with either of those viewers. I count myself in the second category. A routine slasher pic wasn't enough for me. I wanted more, and I don't think that's unreasonable. I can get past bad dialogue, but the bad acting bugged me because their is so much time spent on the moronic teens. Way too much time. I don't care that I didn't care about any of them. Didn't want to. But I expected less of them and more of Freddy and Jason. So what we get wasn't enough for me. For some it is. And that's fine.

[MadsenOMC]

I like it a little more than he does, but I think this review is mostly dead on, especially for longtime Jason fans.


By Smilin' Jack Ruby


Katherine Isabelle was right.

Oh, dear. Freddy Vs. Jason. I thought the movie was going to be bad, but then it turned out to be really genuinely terrible for me. The audience I was with laughed it up all the way through, thoroughly enjoying a film that just had me sinking deeper and deeper into despair, but admittedly, I am a Friday the 13th super-fan. Nothing I could've seen on screen would've lived up to what I wanted – a kick-ass Voorhees film – and that proved true. I just didn't know the thing would be completely played for laughs. I walked out pissed off and angry at the filmmakers for cashing in on a sure-fire marketing scheme to make a couple of bucks off horror fans and putting a piss-poor movie behind it and was even more distraught that, at the last minute, they got my hopes up with some decent trailers.

Is this a Nightmare on Elm Street movie?

Nope. Though Robert Englund absolutely gives it his all, this movie - which has Freddy Krueger in the real world a lot of the time, strangely enough, where he gains some kind of super-strength and can fight Jason - has absolutely nothing in common with the Nightmare franchise. There's one slight ode to the series where Freddy kills somebody and "Freddy's back" is burned onto the guy's back. But because we've seen Freddy THE ENTIRE TIME, the old "Freddy's back" scare that worked in the previous series - where Freddy was pretty much unseen except in haunted dreams - just doesn't work. We know he's back, we see him in every other shot, and to see him do that just doesn't strike the same fear as the previous films.

Is this a Friday the 13th movie?

Nope, not at all. There are so many reasons why this isn't a Friday the 13th movie that it's sad. Kane Hodder once said something along the lines of he'd never make Jason look like an idiot. I think I have finally pinpointed the reason why they had to get rid of him. Though I have a million problems with the film, the first one really comes from the fact that it feels like Ronny Yu or the scripters don't know anything about the franchises. They said, "Oh, Jason drowned, so he must be afraid of water!" Um...cut to Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives where Jason walks straight into the water like a Terminator robot at the end and heads straight to Tommy Jarvis' boat. THAT was Jason. Jason Voorhees is afraid of NOTHING, certainly not water. He's at the bottom of Crystal Lake at the end of two movies, for fuck's sake. Did we see him quivering with fear? No, he just sat down there getting more and more pissed off. He's not the scared, crying animal they portray him to be in this piece of shit.

Frankenstein vs. the Wolf Man came to mind when this movie got announced, but now it feels more like Godzilla vs. King Kong, the bad, cut-up version. It feels like the cashing-in Universal monster movies with John Carradine as Dracula (I never really liked them, but they are LIGHTYEARS better than this movie) which only had Lon Chaney Jr. reminding the world that once Universal had great franchises. These films - House of Frankenstein and House of Dracula - pretty much ended Universal monster movies until Stephen Sommers came along with The Mummy. Freddy Vs. Jason is like that. If THIS is what New Line wants to do with their monsters, then they don't deserve them and the fans should just walk away. If they're just going to put them in some godawful, edited-down, 90-minute, plotless comedy and say, "Isn't this what you've been waiting for since the mid-80s???" I say, right now, I NEVER want to see Robert Englund don the makeup again and I never want to see Jason Voorhees pick up a machete. Ever. And Friday the 13th is my favorite franchise of all time. Easy. No question. Forget Star Wars, forget Indiana Jones, forget Star Trek, I love Friday the 13th and this abomination of a comedy - which feels more like Scary Movie 4 than a real horror flick - is the biggest joke since Halloween 6, though even then, they got the character of Mike Myers right.

Okay, you want the plot? Freddy - in an extended voiceover at the beginning - EXPLAINS THE WHOLE MOVIE. You would THINK that if they were going to jettison mythology, they would've jettisoned New Nightmare. Nope, not New Line - not the House That Freddy Built. It seems that Freddy "lives on fear" and now that nobody in Springwood is scared of him (there's a "hush" policy now where nobody mentions his name - implying, well, that everyone is scared of him). So, Freddy's dying out. So, in some weird way that's never explained, he "appears" to Jason Voorhees, raises him out of the ground, and gets him to go to Springwood to "make people fear Freddy again."

HUH? Okay, so Jason kills somebody, the cops say, "looks like the work of Freddy Krueger," a kid hears this and repeats it - and now everybody fears Freddy again.

Since when is Freddy's m.o. to stab somebody repeatedly with a machete and then snap their body in half? Seriously, Freddy's deaths are ironic mutilations that, if there are stab wounds, are careful ones done with razor-fingers (well, not always). With this, you have Jason stabbing the living shit out of the guy with the strength of...well...Jason. But, I suppose a grisly murder is a grisly murder and even though they're cops and are supposed to look at facts, they decide to be stupid to move the plot along. Hell, why not? I don't even like the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise anywhere NEAR as much as Friday the 13th and constantly picked fights with the who-would-win-in-a-fight crowd saying Jason would win. But, in these times of common enemies, I have to say that I feel bad for the Elm Street fans, too.

Anyway, after the kills begin, the kids all start running, afraid of Jason/Freddy and unsure what to do. The dialogue between the kids is HILARIOUS and one of the only reasons to see the movie. If you watch any of the Friday the 13th movies, yes, you have ironic dialogue that seems pretty silly in retrospect, but they're EARNEST about it. Here, you just have genuinely stupid people. After an absolute massacre at a rave, for instance, our heroes drop off a girl at her house. Our heroine promises to "call her later" and the guy offers a helpful, "Be careful!" as if knowing FULL WELL that absolutely NOTHING can happen to her as she's needed for the third act of the film and she'll be fine.

It gets worse. There is a small amount of T&A and some gore in this movie, but not as much as you think. And it's pathetic. It's like, "Look! Seeeeee?? Aren't we dar-ing?? We have BREASTS in the movie! Doesn't that make it a Friday the 13th or Elm Street movie?" And what's worse is that's what they've "summed up" the Friday the 13th franchise as: Chicks get naked, Jason kills them. Yeah, good enough for New Line, right? They certainly treated the franchise like a fucking JOKE with Jason Goes to Hell, so why not take their aggressions out here.

What? There's an actual mythology to Jason? Why, YES, Mr. Yu, there IS! A lesson: In Friday the 13th, Jason's mom kills a bunch of camp counselors to avenge her son. In Friday the 13th Part 2, Jason kills the chick who killed his mom and then kills a bunch of other people at Camp Crystal Lake, but isn't killed himself. In Part 3-D, he again isn't really killed at all. He takes some serious injuries, but he doesn't die. In Part IV, he's dead - dead as a doornail. They finally kill him and he's a goner. In Part V, it starts out like there's some kind of "supernatural bit" afoot, but it turns out there's a copycat killer (I remember when Part V was considered the bad one - thank you, New Line, for vindicating that film the way Dimension did Hellraiser III by making latter ones SO BAD, now the early "bad ones" look halfway decent). In Part VI, all bets are off and Jason comes back from the grave with a lightning bolt. He's now a supernatural zombie. Yes, in Goes to Hell, he became a demon-worm (a'la that bizarre Druid mythology they slapped onto the Halloween franchise in Part 6 and the ridiculous Freddy-is-a-demon-conjured-by-making-a-movie-out-of-him conceit from New Nightmare), but thankfully, in Jason X, he's just Jason again until the end where he becomes a cyborg of some kind.

Jason X looks like Doctor Zhivago next to this abortion. Seriously. And I liked Jason X.

Honestly, Freddy Vs. Jason just shows an outrageous misunderstanding of who these characters are. Imagine, if you will, if Dracula started stalking around, arms outstretched, and monosyllabically saying, "Friend...gooooood!" and then Frankenstein flew in through the window as a bat, appeared humanoid in evening clothes and said, "I vant to suck your bloooood!" This ain't Freddy, this ain't Jason. This is some happy-crappy post-modern bullshit. It's as if New Line hired Ronny Yu SOLELY because Bride of Chucky made money. In my opinion, as a semi-fan (but not really) of the Child's Play franchise, I found Bride of Chucky pretty silly. I didn't like the movie for two reasons: I never liked Child's Play and it played FAST AND LOOSE with the conceits of the existing franchise. Yu did that here with the kind of arrogance we initially ascribed to James Gunn for saying he was going to "write Scooby-Doo" but wasn't about to sit down and watch a bunch of episodes.

What fans have been waiting for, my ass.

The plot of Freddy Vs. Jason is hopelessly stupid. Jason kills too many people, so Freddy gets pissed and wants to whack Jason. The kids, so afraid of Freddy, they decide to use Jason against Freddy. This is me telling you this. You don't really get that out of the movie that well. It feels like a lot of expositional dialogue was done LATER after the fact. The-reason-we-did-all-this-was-because-of-this, see? There WAS a reason for that plot point.

But not really. And at one point they drug Jason. If bullets tearing through his body don't work, why, suddenly, does he have some kind of circulatory system that would allow drugs to shut him down? Ridiculous.

I couldn't hate this movie more and will NEVER see it again. Like Jason Goes to Hell, it shows that the filmmakers know nothing about either franchise, could care less if their monsters are worth a damn and just desperately want to make a buck. It's sad that that's what they've gone and done when this opportunity could've been used to revitalize the entire franchise. But, these people wanted to make a buck and - like the makers of Men In Black II - knew they could get an opening weekend no matter WHAT the movie was they made as long as the title was Freddy Vs. Jason and they spent a couple of bucks on a TV ad buy.

I hope and pray that Open Range, Uptown Girls, Grind, the second weekends of S.W.A.T. and Freaky Friday kick them in the teeth. This movie should never have been made. What a sad, sad way to treat a pair of screen icons. Likely, this will go down in horror history like the Dino De Laurentiis cash-in remake of King Kong and the Devlin/Emmerich Godzilla.

When Kane Hodder walks out of the theater, after he shakes his head with disgust, I hope he has a hearty laugh a few years down the road when this movie - minus the hype of "party" screenings fades away - is considered a big joke. The irony is that as bad as his latest straight-to-tape movie, Dark Wolf was, it was a far, far better movie than Freddy Vs. Jason.

Oh, and if this is how Aliens Vs. Predator turns out...sigh.

2.0 out of 10

[ANTBond007]

I gave SJR a nice long e-mail about that review last night. Still no response...

[SykkBoy]

Wow, SJR has absolutely no knowledge of these films whatsoever does he?

For this type of movie, the ONLY reviews I care about howeveer are those of horror fans.

Due to some client deadlines, I won't get to see this movie until tomorrow, so I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as possible. When this was first announced, I wasn't very excited about the idea. Then as word of mouth built and I started seeing snippets of it here and there and production stills and finally the trailers, I started really looking forward to it. Now, it's my most anticipated movie of the summer (Jeepers Creepers 2 is a close second).

Bring on Big Freddy K and Slash Master J!

[MadsenOMC]

You're wrong about SJR having no knowledge. He says more than once how huge a Jason fan he is. He thinks it's the best series of all time. Better than Star Wars and Indiana Jones, etc. So he is a horror fan. So is the guy at creature-corner, who gives it 1 out of 5. And myself. Plenty of die-hard horror fans are not liking it. People who know the genre.

[Frank the Tank]

I don't think there is any way I'm going to give this less than 8/10 especially with Arrow's review.

[Hannibal21]

Just came back from the film, and I really don't have much to say except that I thought it was good popcorn fun. But it did get a bit annoying with Freddy and his one liners which got REALLY comical towards the end of the film, it was bloody all right but at the end with Freddy and Jason 'battling' each other, it went a bit over the top, but I guess it was expected. It wasn't a horror movie, it was more like 'horror comedy' with bad acting, cheesy dialogue, lots of cool kills, which was what I thought it would be. So I was neither disappointed nor EXTREMELY satisfied; I enjoyed it, but it wasn't a 'great' film, so a 6/10 is just right for this movie.

[movies35]

I just got back from this, and let me tell you it sucked, it wasn't even worth my money. Yes, I wanted to see this really bad, but it just wasn't good at all, and ended up just to be trash. Yeah, I knew the acting was going to be bad, so I wasn't surprised about that. But hell, there was next to no gore in the whole movie. I mean, c'mon, this is Freddy and Jason! There was also just about no T&A. It doesn't bother me a whole bunch, but again, this is a mix of 2 horror classics, and it just isn't what I was expecting at all.

4.5/10 or D or *1/2 :(

[RickySlade]

Originally posted by movies35
I just got back from this, and let me tell you it sucked, it wasn't even worth my money. Yes, I wanted to see this really bad, but it just wasn't good at all, and ended up just to be trash. Yeah, I knew the acting was going to be bad, so I wasn't surprised about that. But hell, there was next to no gore in the whole movie. I mean, c'mon, this is Freddy and Jason! There was also just about no T&A. It doesn't bother me a whole bunch, but again, this is a mix of 2 horror classics, and it just isn't what I was expecting at all.

4.5/10 or D or *1/2 :(

Do you think someone who enjoys all the flicks will like this? I mean, judging from the bad reviews I'm kind of skeptical now.

[boo]

I really wanted to love this movie but just couldn't :( it was terrible.

not funny or scary just plain dull. 5/10

[movies35]

Originally posted by RickySlade
Do you think someone who enjoys all the flicks will like this? I mean, judging from the bad reviews I'm kind of skeptical now.

I liked all the Freddy flicks I saw (NOES 1, 2, and New Nightmare) and saw all the Jason movies, and liked most of them. This movie just really disappointed me. Though you might like it, we have very different tastes.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by movies35
I just got back from this, and let me tell you it sucked, it wasn't even worth my money. Yes, I wanted to see this really bad, but it just wasn't good at all, and ended up just to be trash. Yeah, I knew the acting was going to be bad, so I wasn't surprised about that. But hell, there was next to no gore in the whole movie. I mean, c'mon, this is Freddy and Jason! There was also just about no T&A. It doesn't bother me a whole bunch, but again, this is a mix of 2 horror classics, and it just isn't what I was expecting at all.

4.5/10 or D or *1/2 :(

No gore? What!?

[dh1989]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/2003/freddy/fj6.jpg

Plot: "A group of teenagers finds themselves stuck in the middle of a battle between two forces of evil: silent stalker Jason Voorhees (Kirzinger) and gabby dream master Freddy Krueger (Englund), as the battle rages from Elm Street to a climactic finale fought at Camp Crystal Lake."

Before I begin my review, I felt it would be proper to express my feelings about the film's two stars, the iconic Hollywood slayers, Freddy Krueger, a burned child murderer who kills you, from beyond the grave, in your dreams and Jason Voorhees, a hockey mask-clad titan with a machete and a small brain, bent on murder and destruction. First, I've adored Freddy Krueger since I was 5 years old, and watching a beat-up VHS copy of Wes Craven's brilliant horror opus A Nightmare On Elm Street, and I've stuck with Freddy through the good (New Nightmare), the bad (A Nightmare On Elm Street 5: The Dream Child), and the ugly (A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge). Freddy's sadistic, twisted, and creepy, but also has a sense of humor, a perfect mix. Arguably, the BEST horror character ever, in my humble opinion. Second, as for Mr. Voorhees, I've always tolerated him, but felt he was a solid character in weak, weak movies. I've never felt that a filmmaker shooting a slasher at Camp Crystal Lake, with Voorhees, has captured the potential Jason has, and, frankly, Ronny Yu's latest, Freddy Vs. Jason, doesn't really either, but it's still an enjoyable, exciting, and, to be frank, fun horror/action/comedy, and I dug it enough to feel my $6.50 was well-spent.

Robert Englund and Ken Kirzinger star as the horror titans, and Englund is in TOP-FORM, and still seems to love stepping into Freddy's shoes. He's managed to find the perfect mix of evil and comedy, and this is definitely one of Freddy's better shows. Kirzinger is okay, but nothing special. He gets the job done, but I wasn't wowed by his performance, and I still don't get why New Line Cinema was having orgasms over his "eyes." They don't communicate much, at all, and I was concentrating on them very much in many scenes, since the filmmakers replaced the superior Kane Hodder to get them behind the mask.

The teen cast, minus Keena and, suprisingly, Rowland, range from mediocre to downright terrible. Jason Ritter, in particular, was shockingly bad, and it's blatant that they cast him to get a "pretty boy" in the film. Hopefully, though, this film launches Monica Keena's career, because she was excellent, and was quite a physical performer, communicating much with eyes and body language. Also, I wouldn't mind Rowland fleshing out a bit, and going on to deeper roles.

Ronny Yu's direction of the film is, oddly enough, both masterful and horrible at the same time. He does know how to craft a stalk and slash sequence, and many of the "horror"-themed scenes were tense, imaginative, and downright creepy, but the action sequences paled in comparison. I'd wager Yu didn't consult with the editor very much, because certain aspects of the Freddy/Jason climax battle were choppy, uneven, and messy. Also, in one sequence, the tint SUDDENLY goes from blood red to sickly green. Now, I feel the green worked well, but why couldn't Yu SLOWLY move to green. I consider it poor filmmaking when the screen flashes to another color. I was almost expecting to see Freddy and Jason battling it out in bright pink after 5 minutes. Yu, you've obviously got talent, try and make things neater if you do a Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Ash anytime soon.

The screenplay is also flawed, mainly due to it's weakness in the dramatic areas. A sub-plot about Lori's dead mother was interesting, but never given breathing room, thus it's eventual "twist" felt shallow and useless. Also, I would've appreciated a bit more Fred Krueger action! We do see our beautiful young cast dream a lot, but Freddy rarely gets to slice, dice, peel, slash, and tear. In the ineveitable sequel, respect Freddy, and let him go f*cking crazy on a few teenagers, pretty please.

Overall, this picture is entertaining, but flawed. I left the theatre feeling my all-time favorite horror character, Freddy, had appeared in a fun, yet shallow film that upholds his legend, but doesn't change it, or hold a candle to the two films Craven made for the burned slayer of Elm Street.

7/10

[dh1989]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
No gore? What!?

I'd also like to know. We got, from memory...

***MEGA GORE SPOILERS***

Beheadings, arterial spray, bended men, back-stabbing, a chick being stabbed through a tree, a spike in the back, a torn-off nose (My favorite...), Jason's head (;)), Freddy's burns, a man cut in half, blood all over the floor, and more.

***END***

What more do you want 'movies35'?

[TheAxeGrinder]

Right on, guys. See the movie for yourself, and pay no attention to what others say. Some will praise it (myself, The Arrow) and others will despise it (Creature Corner, Joblo). And another thing: for those of you who think you're cool by trashing the movie even though you haven't seen it just because you think the film's a flop, doesn't mean you have to ruin it for the rest of us (you know who you are). Screw you and go make your own movie, and leave the rest of us who want to see a real movie that was reviewed by real people, alone.

[movies35]

Originally posted by dh1989
I'd also like to know. We got, from memory...

***MEGA GORE SPOILERS***

Beheadings, arterial spray, bended men, back-stabbing, a chick being stabbed through a tree, a spike in the back, a torn-off nose (My favorite...), Jason's head (;)), Freddy's burns, a man cut in half, blood all over the floor, and more.

***END***

What more do you want 'movies35'?

I don't really count blood as gore. I didn't think it was all that gory. Hey, thats my opinion. But I'm seriously getting sick and tired of get smashed from people from the horror boards about me thinking it's not all that gory. And really in my eyes it isn't. It's my opinion. I don't know how many times I've said that in the past couple threads. I didn't think it was that gory... big freakin' deal.

[sharkstank]

okay, just got back from seeing it, and i fell that a review is completely pointless for this movie. it doesnt matter what i say, so i'll just give MY THOUGHTS, not a review.

i loved everything about watching freddy and jason on screen and in the same movie together. it's just as arrow has said.
8/10
the 8 is because of some cons-------spoilers-----------------






1. jason IS NOT afraid of water.
2. a couple of deaths off screen that would have been cool on screen
3. the teens do figure out the connection between jason and freddy WAY too quickly.
4. i didn't know camp crystal lake was so close to springwood
5. the nerd virgin guy is killed way too mildly
6. a couple of scenes were missing in my opininon(sheriff finding out about jason, freddy's back on guys back)
7. monica keena didn't get nekkid:D

i thought the actors were fine, but kelly rowland did get on my nerves. glad she got killed!i liked the jay type characyter too
the fight was kick ass, and i liked the builup to it. the voice over at the beginning was good, too.
i lked how the movie gave the backstories to freddy and jason, for newer viewers.
the gore was awesome as well, and the t and a was cool.
it was surreal to see them there and i had a ball.

audience report.
i went to the 11:45 showing. the theatre had a lot of showings, and f vs j was in the main theatres. the place was full. people of all ages except for the elderly. i was going to go to the first showing, but our tire was actually slashed:eek: by something on the road.
oh the irony!
anyway, the crowd was into it. laughter, cheers, oohs, aahhs, and smiles all around. my mom and my sister went to the 2:00 showing, and they said the theatre was full too. same report from them too. they both enjoyed it, which surprised me.
so it sounds like it could be a success. i hope it is, because i'm ready for freddy vs jason 2!:D

[Frank the Tank]

I just got back and loved it, this is the most fun I've had at a movie theater all year. The acting sucked, but you could stick the cast of Troll 2 in it and I would have still loved it. The Gore/Blood and Nudity in this movie puts House Of 1000 Corpses to shame. Freddy was hillarious and scary and Jason was cool as always.

9.5/10

The audiance made this better as the theater was stacked, their were more people here than at Matrix Reloaded or T3. The audiance clapped at the end and laughed when Lochlyn Munro came on screen. I agree with Sharkstank that the nerd should have gotten it worst, I hated that nerd, he screamed like a little bitch.

[Frank the Tank]

Oh yeah, the 7:00 showing was sold out, and we had to get in their without getting snacks to get in before there was no room left.

[boo]

Originally posted by movies35
I didn't think it was that gory... big freakin' deal.

I kinda agree with you. The movie may have had some gore but the death scenes were no where near as fun and creative as in the previous Elm street/ Friday 13th movies. Even the last Halloween film had more creative death scenes.

I was really hoping for something along the lines of Dream Warriors (9/10).

[movies35]

Originally posted by boo
I kinda agree with you. The movie may have had some gore but the death scenes were no where near as fun and creative as in the previous Elm street/ Friday 13th movies. Even the last Halloween film had more creative death scenes.

I was really hoping for something along the lines of Dream Warriors (9/10).

Thank you!!!! :D

[Ren Hoek]

****SPOILER-FREE REVIEW/RANT/INCOHERENT RAMBLING CHOCKFULL OF SPELLING MISTAKES AND ORTOGRAPHICAL ERRORS… I guess ;) ****


http://66.218.90.237/ryan/maddog/images/Keena/Keena4.jpg

Ugh! :rolleyes:


I am sad... and angry. Seriously, the moment I left the cinema after seeing FREDDY VS. JASON I felt almost like gagging. What I had just witnessed was an atrocity, a film so bad that (at least right now) I can’t find the right words to describe it. After New Line picked up the rights for the FRIDAY series and produced the rather poor JASON GOES TO HELL, my friends and I had a discussion whether or not the studio had just killed the franchise by turning our beloved machete killer into some kind of body-switching worm, thus ultimately leaving every sense of reality behind and drifting away towards the ridiculous (a trend that had been kicked off years earlier in FRIDAY VI).

But FREDDY VS. JASON makes FRIDAY IX look like a freckin’ masterpiece.

While I don’t think that genre flicks (and horror movies in particular) have to be necessarily based in reality, a certain amount of credibility must exist to get a sense of treat across to the viewer. I mean, if Jason can be EVERYONE and EVERYWHERE (as seen in part IX), you know that there is no possibility to escape him anyway, and you start losing interest. The same applies to the NIGHTMARE franchise. I grew up with the scary Freddy… the child murderer Freddy… the “Wes Craven Freddy”, and NOT with the wisecracking Freddy of parts IV-VI. I was too young to see the NIGHTMARE movies back then and had to wait for the home video releases, thus being exposed to “MTV Freddy” not before the early 90s. And boy, I hated it! What I saw on the screen of my telly was not the menacing killer I had been a fan of for years (and I WAS a hardcore fan… I watched every NIGHTMARE wearing my once beloved Freddy t-shirt and my self-made rubber knife glove religiously). But lo and behold, Freddy had not only turned into a stand-up comedian, but the filmmakers also started violating every possible rule by creating new fantasy scenarios with every sequel. How come the dream warriors give Freddy a royal arse-kicking in NIGHTMARE III yet are easily killed off in part IV within the first 10 minutes? Why don’t have the characters any kind of personality but are defined by one stupid characteristic trademark? I’ve stopped giving a shit about the Elm Street kids when they didn’t resemble real teens any longer but turned into a “Wizard Master”, the karate punk, the comic book geek, and a character in some Super Mario Bros.-like video game.

Okay, so what’s the reason for my rant about previous instalments of the FRIDAY and NIGHTMARE series? Well, it’s the simple fact that the heads behind the two franchises don’t give a rat’s arse about staying faithful to the Freddy and Jason’s original characters and the world they live in any longer; and FREDDY VS. JASON is the ultimate proof for that.

As most of my fellow schmoes have stated earlier, the acting is really atrocious, even worse than in most low-budget horror films, and I won’t argue with that. What the teeny starlets deliver here is horrible, not even worth being called “acting”. It is obvious that Monica Keena wasn’t cast for her acting skills but her nice, mildly impressive rack. Apart from her various teary-eyed moments, I can think of only two memorable scenes with her, the one being her delivery of one of the film’s worst lines ("Freddy was killed by fire, Jason by water. How can we use that?" …Duh! :rolleyes:), and the other one is a neat slo-mo shot of her silicone-enhanced boobs bumping up and down as she runs towards the camera. As for Jason Ritter… well, I guess Ronny Yu owed his good pal John Ritter (who starred in Yu’s BRIDE OF CHUCKY) a big favour and therefore cast his son. I can’t see any other reason for his appearance in the movie since his facial expression doesn’t change once throughout the whole movie. The rest of the cast is an assembly of horror flick stereotypes (sex, drugs, and alcohol loving teens and stupid cops) and some odd characters which made it even more obvious what demographic this flick is aiming for (a mini-me of Jason Mewes’ character as seen in various Kevin Smith movies, and teeny bopper Kelly Rowland from DESTINY’S CHILD fame). Too bad that the only halfway intelligent protagonist (that is, a teenager who actually resembled a REAL human being) is also among the first victims. To sum it up: all teenagers in FREDDY VS. JASON are annoying and portrayed by untalented kiddos with the charisma of dried raisins, and I just begged for them to be killed by one of the baddies after 10 minutes in the movie. If you actually expect to find “real” people here to root for, prepare to be disappointed. This is not the Springwood from NIGHTMARE I-III and Crystal Lake as seen in FRIDAY I-VII, but the land of moronic silicone-stuffed whiners.

Now back to the beginning of my review and my complaint about the filmmakers’ disrespect for the characters and their backgrounds. As far as it concerns the victims: I have already mentioned that they are all pretty bland and reduced to one trademark trait (the pothead, the lunatic, the African-American sidekick/best friend, the nerd etc.). While most of the teens in the other FRIDAY and NIGHTMARE films aren’t much different, we always had some characters we could keep our fingers crossed for because they were a little bit smarter and more likeable than the rest of the bunch. But what we have here is a group of assholes without any respect for each other. Need some proof? At the beginning, we are introduced to a jerk (assumedly the football team captain :p) who treats everyone (including his girlfriend) like shit. Hell, he can’t even wait to undress himself to shag his girl until he has left the room in which his friends are having a party. After he is through with Miss Silicone Valley, he yells at her for no apparent reason. Guess who is the first to be killed!? A few minutes later, we have to suffer through a heavily emotional scene in which the best friend of the victim is lamenting his pal’s death. I was asking myself, “Why would anyone want to be friends with this bastard from the earlier scene?” But then… why not? I mean, we are introduced to the whiner by a close-up of his crotch while he is delightfully scratching his balls. Yeah, right, that’s as far “character development” goes in this movie. But hey, what can you expect from a movie in which the slutty bitch even sports the same red cap as the, well, slutty bitch in CARRIE which identifies her as… well, make a guess.

Granted, subtlety was never a strength of the FRIDAY and NIGHTMARE movies, but at least we had some main characters we could care about (e.g. Lisa Wilcox, Johnny Depp, Heather Langenkamp, Patricia Arquette in the and the “survivor girls” in the FRIDAY flicks). But how can the screenwriters and the director expect us to care about teens who don’t give a shit about their best friends and are only caricatures of real human beings. People get killed and are forgotten only minutes later. One of the main protagonists gets brutally slaughtered and another one severely burned… but hey, there’s no time to mourn, so let’s go on with the show! What, dozens of my school mates were killed by Jason during the “rave”? So what’s Miss Silicone Valley gonna do? Call the police? Maybe an ambulance? No, just let the hunky boyfriend drop her off at her father’s house and give her some good advice like, “Be careful!” Duh!

Okay, so all teen characters are morons, but what about the adults. Well, there aren’t any apart from Silicone Barbie’s psychotic dad (or is he?) and the cops. Are they any smart? Well, let me illustrate their intelligence by transcribing one of their few and very short scenes:

Cop 1: “Hey Chief, I found something out about the murders…”
Cop 2: “No, I don’t wanna hear it. We have our own ways to deal with this kind of stuff.”
Cop 1: “But what about the guy who got killed by multiple stabbings…? The guy we found sitting next to his decapitated father.”
Cop 2: “That was a suicide. He was, uhm, emotionally disturbed and therefore chopped his father’s head off, then killed himself.”

This short piece of dialogue says a lot about the intelligence of the cops AND the citizens of Springwood (who are apparently stupid enough to believe this bogus story). Suicide by multiple stabbings… hmmmm, I’d surely like to see THAT! :p

But why am I complaining about bad acting, poor dialogue, plot holes etc. when the movie is in fact all about the big battle… the encounter of two giants of horror… Motherfucking Freddy vs. motherfucking Jason! Well, because there is virtually no “Freddy vs. Jason” for the first two thirds of the film. Yes, you heard me, kids! After an unintentionally funny prologue in which Freddy delivers a piss-poor Betsy Palmer impersonation and fondly remembers the good ole days (in which gore FX were not all made with CGI) in a choppily edited, slo-mo'ed scene, we don’t see much of the two antagonists for the next 50 minutes. What happens next? Well, Crystal Lake is obviously right around the corner since soon the Elm Street killings start again. But seriously… how did Jason get to Springwood? Hitchhiking? Rent-a-car? And what does he do in Freddy’s territory all day? Camp Crystal Lake and its surrounding woods is a perfect place to hide for a 6’6” zombie, but where does he live in Springwood? Anyways, Freddy needs him to regain his power and Jason is there to the rescue. Why Jason? Well, don’t ask… it’s a freakin’ horror flick for Chrissake! Don’t expect logic! :D Yeah, sure, but I expect that the filmmakers stay faithful to the old NIGHTMARE and JASON flicks.

Why does Jason act different? Why is he so slow and why seems nothing to be left of the manic zombie terminator (to use Arrow’s words) we saw in FRIDAY VI-VIII? Why has everyone forgotten about Freddy? I mean, come on, four years are not exactly enough time to make a whole town forget about the most brutal serial child killer of the 20th century, responsible for dozens of deaths within ten years. Why are “fears” for the odd couple established which are totally out-of-character? In the final third of the movie we learn about Jason’s biggest phobia, which was NEVER mentioned in any of the previous FRIDAY flicks. The same goes for Freddy and his apparent "pyro-panic". And why the hell does Springwood NOT look like Springwood any longer but more like a small village in British Columbia? (Yes, don’t worry, I know the answer ;))

For some of you, these things might seem to be minor complaints, but I am seriously pissed off. I don’t want to discuss the technical inadequacies here, the poor CGI effects (I’ve never been a fan of computer-generated gore), the choppy editing, and name even more bad lines… (It doesn’t get any better than the “suicide by multiple stabbings” dialogue anyway) I just wanted to say what I hated plot-wise, being a HUGE fan of the FRIDAY and NIGHTMARE series. Give me a straightforward horror flick goddamnit! Yes, I can live with bad acting and plot holes, but I want an HONEST slasher and not being fucked over by a bunch of filmmakers who don’t care about the history of these films; that there are certain rules for both franchises; and that (even in this genre) you can’t just dismiss these facts. I want the scary old-school Freddy back, and not the goofy sissy he is in this movie; and I want my rampagy zombie-Jason back, and not a lobotomised string puppet of Freddy. Please turn back the wheel of time! Please send Jason back to his lake and let Freddy kill some more annoying Elm Street kids in their sleep. Give me a couple of teeny characters I actually give a rat’s arse about. Give me an honest, straightforward slasher and I’ll be a happy camper… that’s a promise.

This schmoe goatie is seriously pissed :mad:


- 2/10

[Hannibal21]

LOL! I love reading your rants, Ren. Keep up the good work! :D

But seriously, I can see how some people might feel that way about this film, but I kind of enjoyed it, even if it's not even close to being one of the best in either series.

[T-1000]

I went into this movie expecting a slasher flick pitting two horror legends against each other, and that is exactly what i got.

First, i would like to say that i am more of a Freddy Krueger fan than a Jason fan. The Nightmare on Elm Street is my favorite horror film. I grew up watching Freddy kick ass in the Nightmare films on TV.

IMO, this film felt like a Nightmare on Elm Street sequel with Jason in it.

Freddy vs. Jason is not as good as the original Nightmare or Wes Craven's New Nightmare, but it is much better than all the other Nightmare sequels.

Robert Englund was fantastic as Freddy. He was able to provide the character with a perfect blend of terror and humor. This is the Freddy that i remember from the original Nightmare film.

Ken Kirzinger was pretty good as Jason.

Monica Keena and Katharine Isabelle were pretty good in their roles, but the rest of the cast was sub-par.

The dialogue was pretty crappy at times, and i find it funny that the teens were able to figure out the entire situation with Freddy and Jason very quickly. That's bad writing IMO. However, i dont expect good acting or good dialogue from a teen slasher/horror flick.

Also, Jason ISN'T supposed to be afraid of water. However, since i am not a huge Jason fan, i let that one slide.

The 25-30 minute battle between Freddy and Jason was awesome, and the ending was very satisfying.

I liked the fact that this film cleared some things up from the original films.

Overall, as a huge Freddy fan, i loved this movie and i found it to be very entertaining.

8/10

[Sad man]

LOL Ren, I just loved that rant of yours. I couldn't stop laughing, but hopefully I will desagree with you, because I really wanna like this movie. The trailer was good, and I love the clips I saw.

[VerbalKint]

This seems to be a love it or hate it movie, I'm pretty sure that I'll end up loving it when i see it tomorrow.

[gyro_44]

"Freddy vs. Jason" is a sick kick. It is FAR more fun than the other supposed send-offs in the respective series' (like "Freddy's Dead", "Jason Goes to Hell" and "Jason X").

The movie delivers what fans want. Sure, it takes awhile (why oh why do they feel the need to go through the same old paces every time out with the dumb teenagers?), but the final showdown between the two is awesome, bloody, brutal and inventive.

I don't think I have ever enjoyed Robert Englund this much as Freddy... he gets some hilarious lines, but unlike in previous sequels, the "prankster Freddy" is kept to a minimum.

Some of the better elements from each franchise are successfully woven into "F VS J". There's plenty of blood (crazy rave scene, I might add), and some big laughs.

Enjoy..... it gets a 7/10 from me.

[JoBlo]

Originally posted by TheAxeGrinder
Right on, guys. See the movie for yourself, and pay no attention to what others say. Some will praise it (myself, The Arrow) and others will despise it (Creature Corner, Joblo).

For the record, I gave the film a 5/10 and certainly did NOT "despise it". Not sure where you got that but you're mistaken. Maybe you should re-read my review, daddy: http://www.joblo.com/freddyvsjason.htm

[someguy]

It's not despising. 5/10 is borderline to me. It was good and it was bad.

[NikeAirFor1]

go jason u can do it

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by sharkstank

the 8 is because of some cons-------spoilers-----------------







3. the teens do figure out the connection between jason and freddy WAY too quickly.
4. i didn't know camp crystal lake was so close to springwood

i thought the actors were fine, but kelly rowland did get on my nerves. glad she got killed!i liked the jay type characyter too
the fight was kick ass





***************SPOILERS FOR FREDDY VS. JASON***********

LOL. Elm Street is in Ohio and Camp Crystal Lake in New Jersey. I'm sure that would take about a day to drive that far and I did think about that while watching the movie. It didn't bother me I just found it amusing

I also wasn't bothered by the teens figuring out what Freddy was doing so soon. I wasn't bothered at all and didn't even notice it.

That Jay-like character was hilarious. And he gets the best line of the movie and the line that a huge laugh from the audience (that goalie was really pissed, or something like that).

I also didn't mind Kelly Rowlands. Infact there is a lot of bad acting in this movie and she actually is one of the better ones. Plus she has the best death scene in the IMO. Not because of the way she is killed, mind you, but in how she disses Freddy and claims that maybe he is a little short in below and how Jason's is bigger. Then turns around and gets a surprise behind her.

Of coarse the highlight of the movie is the showdown between the title characters and the movie did not dissappoint. It was just awsome. It's kind of clever how Freddy gets Jason in his dreamworld and how the kids get Freddy into the real world.

Overall the movie isn't without it's flaws and I would never confuse this movie for being great but I had a good time especially with the packed audience I watched this movie with.

* * * ( out of * * * * )

7/10

Grade: B

[harpian]

Awesome, awesome, awesome, AWESOME movie!!

I'm easily probably one of the biggest (female at least) Freddy Krueger fans alive, so therefore, I suppose I'm sort of biased when it comes to rating this movie.


BUT, as the movie started, my expectations sorta dropped.


I hated the teens, the acting/ dialogue was so annoying it kept distracting me from the film... unrealistic aspects of the plot (stated in previous reviews) bothered me quite a bit... but then Freddy or Jason would show up and have me screaming and applauding my ass off....... then more teens and the stupid plot... me wondering where Freddy and Jason went off to... then there they are! And HOLY GOD did they rock the house. It went on like that for the rest of the movie, so much so that I totally forgot and forgave all the other problems I had with the film. Bad acting? What? Who gives a shit!

And the last scene of the movie was the cherry on the muthafuckin icing on the cake. NICE!

Freddy's character was awesome, they gave him just enough humor, but still kept him evil and scary at the same time! You could just FEEL his absolute glee at being able to stalk and kill ample-chested teen girls again! I LOVED IT!! He's been away too long!

And I love the Friday the 13th movies, but still ain't a HUGE Jason fan..... but after his first kill of the movie, I was almost rooting for him as much as Freddy (I said ALMOST).

So, in my humble biased opinion, as far as horror movies go, this is easily a 9/10 for me.

Looking at it from a non-horror fan perspective, I gotta go with a 6.5/10

IT IS JUST FUN!!!!

Everyone go see it and enjoy!!

[thompsoncory]

I will see this on Monday. I wasn't going to initially because I had never seen the other films and it looked kind of bad. But since it will be number one at the box office and several of my friends have said it was great, I am going to see it.

Do you have to have seen the other movies to understand what's going on???

[gyro_44]

Do you have to have seen the other movies to understand what's going on???

Surprisingly, no. To get everyone up-to-speed, they offer a lot of backstory on both Jason and (particularly) Freddy. In my opinion, TOO much.

They even show footage from the previous "Elm Street" movies.

[Lazy Boy]

I wasn't expecting much out of this. Just some dumb fun, a way to kill and hour and a half. It certainly didn't exceed my expectations, and I can objectively call it a disappointment. The filmmakers made the calculcated mistake of keeping Jason and Freddy apart from each other for the duration of a long and somewhat tedious story involving teens who nobody cares about and who nobody cares to see die. Monica Keena is fine, not terrible or good, but okay, while Kelly Rowland should go back to her singing career (but even then, I dread that thought). The acting, as a whole, was awful, but I wasn't bothered since I expected nothing less.
Wasn't there a better story that the writers could come up with instead of this half assed attempt to drag out the story a bit? I wanted to see Jason dice Freddy in half, I wanted Freddy to stick his razor fingers in the eyes of the hockey masked Energizer Bunny, I wanted something! When the final battle to end all battles arrives, I felt giddy like a pot-smoking uber-geek, finally able to get my blood going. My money was on Jason, since he's my favorite of the two. The entire audience, on the other hand, dug Freddy a lot more (boo!). So, what do we, the money paying audience members, get? A pretty anti-climactic conclusion. It all depends on your personal opinion whether or not there is a winner, but I felt a little let down. So did several people next to me; you could hear the air go out of the arena when Monica Keena, machete in hand, screamed, "Welcome to my world, bitch!" Groan...

Positives: some of the lines were deliberately campy (the goalie line got a great reaction) and I did enjoy the cornfield party slaughter.

It does give me a thrill that these two demonic entities finally locked up but it fell short of what I hoped. Still, reasonably more fun than most slasher crap flicks, but it felt like director Ronny Yu was pulling a big cocktease on me; set me up for some good lovin', then pull away at the last minute.

Final verdict: self consciously bad, sometimes fun, not a whole lot to it.

Grade: 4/10

[Ron34]

7/10

cant wait for Texas chainshaw, hopefully that would be a better movie.

holla!

[sharkstank]

for anyone who doesn't go to the box office thread or doesn't check out the numbers, Freddy vs Jason opened #1 w/ 13.8 million!
KICK ASS

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by sharkstank
for anyone who doesn't go to the box office thread or doesn't check out the numbers, Freddy vs Jason opened #1 w/ 13.8 million!
KICK ASS Is that just Friday's numbers?

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by DevilMonkey
Is that just Friday's numbers?


Yep. Pretty cool.

[DevilMonkey]

Devil Monkey’s “so called” Review of Freddy Vs. Jason

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We’ll where does DevilMonkey start? Hmmm. Let me start off by saying this is one kick-ass time! But what makes DevilMonkey think it’s so damn kick-ass? We’ll it’s Freddy Vs. Jason! I have never seen a single Freddy movie in theaters but I adore the films and I haven’t seen any good or scary Jason movies in theaters (I saw JaosnX opening night). When it started and I saw Robert Englund as Freddy I knew I was going to love it. Then it showed Freddy speaking which was just so awesome. It was so cool to hear and see the actual Freddy Kruger on the big screen. And then seeing the nude girl go into the lake then being killed was too cool. I loved so many things in this film.

The cast was great and after seeing this film my opinion changed on who I think is the cooler killer. Jason is great. Ken Kirzinger was a great replacement and he did a great job, he’s presence was great and he is such a big guy it makes him even creepier. Robert Englund is so cool as Freddy he is creepy, scary and funny. I love when he looks like the devil, all too cool. And the teen cast was great. Monica Keena was very good and likeable I wouldn’t mind seeing her in the sequel if there is one (I sure hope there is because this movie was so great). Kelly Rowland was very good too. It was great near the end when she starts insulting Freddy, totally hilarious. But I was sad when she died, especially since it was after she insulted Freddy. We’ll at least she went out in style J. And Chris Marquette was good as the nerd. He was likeable but he’s death seemed very slow and boring. Not scary. The rest of the cast I didn’t care for like Jason Ritter he’s character seemed a little awkward because he came from the insane asylum.

The movie it’s self is great with a very good story and a great ending with some very cool sub-plots. The thing about Freddy killing the mother was cool except it all happened so fast. Lori finds out in the middle of the fight which was awkward because that’s what I was more interested in the fight of the two horror legends. If it happened before it would have been better Lori would have had more rage and there could have been a scene where she tries to fight but gets the shit knocked out of her. Some deaths where very good and some weren’t. I really liked when Freddy was ready to kill again but Jason got in the way. My favorite kill was probably the one that scared me the most and it happened fast. When the guy Bake wakes up from his dream he sees his dead sitting next to him. He tugs on the shoulder and the head pops off. I was horrified. The final fight was great. It seemed a little short though. But when Jason comes out of the water with Freddy’s head it seemed a little strange especially Freddy winking. I wanted to see Lori and Will going on with their life’s then at the end something that means a sequel is on the way which always happens in horror films. Like in Nightmare 1 the car turns into a Freddy mobile. I also love before the movie starts when both themes are played together. That was too cool.

We’ll I guess I’ll wrap this thing up. I would highly recommend this to anyone who loves having a fun time in the theater or to someone who likes horror. I’m seeing this again tomorrow. In the end I give it a 9/10!

Prey for a sequel!

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Yep. Pretty cool.

Thats awsome hopfully it will be a big hit and we'll get a sequel. . . And they won't need to bring in Mikle Myers or Ash but if they think they should. . I guess they will.

[Invincible]

Just got back from the movie!

It rocked! Freddy absolutley rocked. Jason is just a badass! I loved the rave scene, and the final battle. I dug the pothead guy, he reminds me of Jay from KS movies. He was funny! Kia was annoying, and I wished Deputy Scott Stubbs was in more scenes. Good actor, deserves better. It certainly satisfies the true horror fans, and the fans of both series. Very gory flick. I like the opening, the explanation of Freddy's past, and Jason's... the combo of themes was really stylish. Mostly in the end.

The Final showdown had me in awe. Very cool and very gory. Good stuff lol :D

*******SPOILERS*******














I loved the last scene in the movie, with Jason coming out of the lake. AWESOME STUFF!!!




















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8/10

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Invincible
It certainly satisfies the true horror fans.

I agree, to an extent. I think it'll satisfy most slasher fans, but many who love horror such as May, The Sixth Sense, The Ring, Frankenstein, The Fog, etc., more *mature* horror may not be pleased with it AT ALL.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

This movie was fucking fun. Review to be up later, just posting for now that I completely LOVED IT.

[Shockwave]

I agree, to an extent. I think it'll satisfy most slasher fans, but many who love horror such as May, The Sixth Sense, The Ring, Frankenstein, The Fog, etc., more *mature* horror may not be pleased with it AT ALL.

If by *mature* u mean slow moving, then i agree.


On the upside tho i could watch this movie more then once and still enjoy it, unlike most of the more *mature* horror movies listed above.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Shockwave
If by *mature* u mean slow moving, then i agree.


On the upside tho i could watch this movie more then once and still enjoy it, unlike most of the more *mature* horror movies listed above.

No, by *mature*, I meant deeper plotting, developed characters, and more substance than style.

[Shockwave]

I respect your opinion but speaking as a *mature* horror fan who dug the sixth sense, signs, the ring ect, ect, i really, truly liked it. It brought something new to the table and did it well. Those other movies u listed above are more like mystery/horror while this was more of a horror/action movie. They cant be divided into age brackets.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by thompsoncory
I will see this on Monday. I wasn't going to initially because I had never seen the other films and it looked kind of bad. But since it will be number one at the box office and several of my friends have said it was great, I am going to see it.

Do you have to have seen the other movies to understand what's going on???

While you don't need to have seen the others to enjoy it, you'll get a bigger kick out of the in-jokes and winks at the previous chapters if you've seen them.

A damn good time at the movies and one of my top picks for 2003 so far (disclaimer: I am a hardcore horror fan and prefer ole goalie mask and finger knives over ANYTHING Julia Roberts has done or even contemplated doing)

[Mike]

Originally posted by dh1989
I agree, to an extent. I think it'll satisfy most slasher fans, but many who love horror such as May, The Sixth Sense, The Ring, Frankenstein, The Fog, etc., more *mature* horror may not be pleased with it AT ALL.

Yeah, I kind of agree. Although I love movies like May, The Ring, Frailty, Ginger Snaps, etc..., I also enjoy bad but fun brainless horror flicks, which is pretty much what Freddy vs. Jason is. However, fans of horror that only care for the smart horror and aren't into slashers or "so bad they're good" movies most likely won't care for this one. And if you don't like horror at all, you'll likely hate it and be wanting to gouge your eyes out.


Anyway, I ended up seeing it last night, even though lately with all of the somewhat annoying hype around here I almost felt like waiting for video, since it made me want to see it less. Here's my review:


FREDDY VS. JASON (2003)

In a time where smart horror movies come out much more frequently, one must wonder why Freddy vs. Jason chooses to be so laughably bad. Maybe it's because bad movies can be just so damn fun. Pretty much everything here, other than the sometimes pretty cool look, seems like it came from a straight-to-video horror movie. The only difference here is that it's bigger and actually went to theaters. When it comes down to it though, the stupidity of the whole thing may have been for the best, since it might not have been as enjoyable without it. It's not even half of a smart horror movie, but it's one of those that's so bad and laughable that it's good. A nice brainless popcorn flick. I, along with the audience, laughed a lot at it, and with it. Lovers of bad movies and horror fans unite, you're sure to have fun with this one. If you aren't a horror fan, you may as well not bother, because it's highly unlikely you'll enjoy this one, well, unless you're drunk and/or high.

I never minded at all when singer Kelly Rowland was cast in this movie, unlike most, who got so worked up over it that it's almost funny. I didn't, nor did anyone else, have proof that she was a horrible actress, so as I see it, she was innocent until proven guilty. I'm glad to see that I didn't waste all of my time worrying, since she ends up giving the best performance in the whole movie, and does have talent as an actress. She was very enjoyable here. I'm sure those expecting the worst from her will be surprised. She was absolutely hilarious and had me laughing my ass off in one of the best scenes of the movie. I don't want to say which though so I don't spoil it for anyone, but you'll know what I'm talking about when you see it. I like Monica Keena (Dawson's Creek, Crime & Punishment in Suburbia), but her performance here is between decent and bad. Yet, in this badly written, badly acted, etc... movie, it didn't really bother me. When everything else is bad, it's hard not to let this slide. Besides, if anything, her being in this movie will get her more well known, and can do more good than harm. Katherine Isabelle (Ginger Snaps, Bones, Insomnia) isn't given much of a challenge here, but she gives a solid and funny performance as the skanky Gibb, a character who's on the right track to be seen at many AA meetings. James Callahan gives pretty much the worst performance of the entire movie as Blake. I'm glad he didn't have too much screen time, because what he has is more than enough. Faring better, but also giving a pretty bad performance is Jason Ritter (Swimfan, Mumford), son of John Ritter, who was in Bride of Chucky, another horror series to be resurrected by director Ronny Yu.

Freddy vs. Jason is movie junk food. There's no denying that it's a bad movie, but it's just so fun. It's nice and gory, and on top of that even throws in quite a bit of nudity for good measure. The early scene of the girl taking off her clothes (because that's what any respectful young girl does in the woods) had some of the guys in the audience hooting and hollering and the girls groaning and laughing in a "oh sure, of course she just HAS to take off her clothes" kind of way. Although I'm usually annoyed be people being noisy during a movie, in some cases, some moments like that just make the whole experience that much more fun. Also, for the first time in my life, I've witnessed members of an audience clapping when the credits started to roll (I thought it was just a myth), not a lot of people, but some. Now I never would have started doing it myself, but since others already did, I joined in. Of course, some could have been clapping because the movie was over, but oh well, it was fun. The hiring of Ronny Yu to direct this one was a very smart move. He successfully resurrected the Child's Play series with Bride of Chucky, and now brings these two dying franchises back to life, with the same fun humor that we saw in Bride. This guy should get hired more often to resurrect other dying/dead horror series'. He's done great with the two he's done so far.

If you can ignore bad acting, writing, plot holes (like how in the hell did Camp Crystal Lake and Elm Street get so close together?), some laughably bad and cheesy gore (one death scene on a porch was too over-the-top and unrealistic, making me roll my eyes in disappointment), etc..., and are a horror fan, you should enjoy this one. For awhile during it I actually had a 7/10 (B-) in mind, but then towards the end it really picks up speed, becoming very entertaining and fun. This is definitely guilty-pleasure territory, and if it can hold up well on video, like most "so bad they're good" movies do, then it should be a lot of fun, maybe even more fun than the first time around in theaters.

Grade: 7/10 (B)

[The Prowler]

Wow this movie exceded my expectations and more. This movie transplanted my butt back to the 80's while watching this one. I loved the renactment of jason's mom, the crystal lake setting, jason as a kid, freddy as a child murderer. All of these were so much fun to watch and the crowd I saw it with loved it too laughing and cheering. The is what a fun slasher movie should be like. I am seeing it again for a second time tonight. Most fun at the movies along with American Wedding all year. What a fun movie!!

Anyone else find the music to be excellent in this one and much better than the last couple of Fridays. Did Manfredini do this score again? I forgot to check or pay attention to who did.

8/10

[chasingbanky]

Great flick....Enjoyed almost everythin about it....I mean I had fun crackin jokes about the horrible acting, and I loved the damn fight scenes.....THis movie kicked my ass....loved every minute of it


(B)

[JCR]

Well boxofficemojo.com estimates FvsJ took $36.4M at the weekend. Given it cost $25M to make, I kinda doubt we've seen the last of these two.

[Tarantinoholic]

I don't know if I've ever had more fun watching a movie then I did watching Freddy vs. Jason. Maybe it was just the atmosphere I watched it in (a packed theatre full of rabid, cheering, clapping fans and my horror geek posse). Sure, the acting was downright painful to watch at some times, but in *my* eyes, the movie delivered on all levels besides that. It was VERY violent, more-so than any of the other movies in either franchise as far as I can remember. It was the epitome of a "popcorn-flick". It had everything a horror fan could ask for (as far as boobies, gore, beheadings and crap goes), so in my eyes, it was perfect. It certainly did justice to the franchises, and it beat the hell out of all of the more recent installments in either franchise. It was the horror fanboy's wet dream times 47, and horror history, perhaps film history in the making. Since I'm not 18 yet, im looking for any other way possible to see this movie again this week, and I can't wait for the DVD. :D
Final Rating: 9.5/10

[Mike]

I still can't get over how much Kelly Rowland rocked the house here! She was a blast! She gave a solid performance. Next to almost everyone else here, her performance looks Oscar-worthy.

This movie was pretty fun. It picks up a lot once we get to the cornfield part. Until then, it was just alright, nothing special. Thank god it got better. The fight was more fun than I thought it would be.

I went with my brother, my dad, and my brother's friend. My dad went with, not knowing what we were going to see. I felt really really bad because while my dad doesn't mind some horror movies (For the most part, he liked Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Ring, They, Final Destination 2, What Lies Beneath (pretty much loved it) and others.), he isn't into the Freddy/Jason/Michael Meyers movies. Anyway, he went with and we didn't tell him the movie until we were in the auditorium. He was so mad. I felt awful and said if he didn't like it I would pay him for his ticket. So for quite awhile I was uncomfortable with the gore and worried about what my dad was thinking, and felt bad that he had to sit through this. Especially since it was kind of confusing for awhile, well, not for me, but for someone that isn't all that familiar with the Elm Street series. I really felt awful, and wasn't able to enjoy it for awhile. Of course, that's because it wasn't the greatest for awhile anyway, and it had me rolling my eyes and thinking "Is this movie going to be just gore? Will we get a damn story?"

Needless to say, my dad didn't enjoy it. The part on the porch was when I really was like "Oh man, that's just too gory and I'm sorry he had to see that." That part was just too over-the-top. During the beginning when we are told about the stuff Freddy did, I was really worried about what my dad was thinking, it was so dark and evil and I was like "oh great, I'm sure my dad is loving this." It was so uncomfortable.

I was offended by the "dark meat" and "faggot" parts, although I can't deny that I laughed my ass off at the line the "F" word was used in. That part with Kelly was great. She was hilarious! I don't know, but I just hate the "N" word and "F" word (and not fuck). They are so hateful and they just come off really harsh and hurtful. And at that part with the "dark meat" line, this asshole in the audience actually yelled out "kill that nigger!" I was so fucking pissed and offended, that's just wrong. And I felt really bad for the African Americans in the audience, because there was some. While walking out there was this guy, his wife/girlfriend, and their daughter, and they were African American. I felt so bad they had to hear that stupid comment from someone.

This little boy was sitting behind me with his parents. He talked a lot during it. During the part where the first girl gets naked in the woods, the dad was like "you should cover your eyes, you're only 10 and shouldn't be seeing this." It was like, then why the fuck did you bring him? And he never minded when the kid saw the violence. Hell, during the bedroom kill the dad was even yelling "get him! get him! get him! kill! kill!" Gee, some role model. What a fucking hypocrite. You don't think your kid should see nudity, but watching a violent murder while your dad is yelling loud, cheering it on is real healthy :rolleyes:. It's really dumb how parents get more worried about nudity than violence. The poor kid kept trying to reassure himself throughout the whole movie that he wasn't scared. He would be like "I'm not scared, you know why? Because it's not real." Then he would scream as he jumped out of his seat. Poor little guy. It was obvious he'd be having nightmares last night, and probably each night for awhile. He was a good sport though, and even when he was scared, he would try not to show it. But you knew he was. He acted just like a lot of little kids do during scary movies, and tried to be brave and not show his fear.

[MadsenOMC]

Rowland is awful! Of my lord. Don't quit your day job honey. She is laughable like all the rest, especially towards the end when she starts acting like Busta Rhymes in Halloween: Ressurection. It will earn a Razzie for sure.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

FREDDY vs JASON

Acting wise, I thought Monica Keena was a very good Brittany Murphy impersonator (sp?). Kelly Rowland stood out from the rest here, she was very charismatic and likable. It sucked when she died although i knew it was gunna happen. The guy who played the cop is awesome. He's a cool actor and I think he shoulld get more work than he does. The Jay clone was hilarious, I wish he wouldnt have died although I was somewhat happy that his death served a greater purpose and furthered the storyline (flushing the pills). The friend from the asylum with the brother was actualy really good as well. And now the last of teh teens, Jason Ritter. Ugh! he was so fucking bad, just as horribvle as everyones saying.

I gotta give it to Robert Englund. He was the ultimate badass (as usual) and this movie made me love freddy even more! Ken Kirzinger alos made me greatly appreciate Jason. He was awesome in this movie, i was actually rooting for him at one point.

Ronny Yu uses style and knows how to execute a good jump scene (or scenes). I also liked the many different tints that were used throughout the movie. Lastly, the scene that stood out the most to me was when the friend from the asylum was screaming WAKE ME UP! I love that shot.

There were also ur handful of awesome death scenes, the guy in bed, Jason's steal from Freddy (double kill!) and my personal favorite, Kelly "Behind you." Rowland's death.

The way they handled who won was brilliant (IMO). That scene on the dock where you didnt kno who came out standing was soooo cool!!!!

Aside from that, this movie has got it all. Nudity for everyone, tons of blood and.... FREDDY VS JASON damnit!!!

10/10 on edsoulsurvive*'s scale
7.5/10 to the average schmoe

[Mike]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Rowland is awful! Of my lord. Don't quit your day job honey. She is laughable like all the rest, especially towards the end when she starts acting like Busta Rhymes in Halloween: Ressurection. It will earn a Razzie for sure.

Not in my opinion. Busta SUCKED in Resurrection, just like the movie. Rowland was solid here, and I can't imagine her even getting a Razzie nomination, especially next to some of the others here.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Busta ruined H8!!! That was just fucking horrible!

Kelly Rowland was very very good in this movie. IMO

[harpian]

Yeah, I have to say that Rowland's acting was much better than Monica Keena's.

[Horror whore]

I agree with Mike, EDsoulsurvive*, and harpian about Kelly Rowland. She kicked ass! I loved her in this movie, she is undoubtedly the best actress there... Some people just don't like her because she's black and a singer, most of the anti-Kelly people hated her in it before they even saw it. (Yep, I said it!) Kind of like they hated Busta in H8 before they saw that. (But I don't really blame them for that...)

"What's up with the butter-knives?" I loved that line!

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by Horror whore
"What's up with the butter-knives?" I loved that line!

ME 2!! I keep saying it to random people... and then they give me a confused expression and walk away....

[bskutle]

"Freddy vs. Jason"- B
Couldn't help it, mates. I had to see this puppy, and I had to see it on opening night, in a packed crowd house with a good couple hundred horror geeks and smart ass teens just dying to see the long-delayed smackdown between their two favorite slasher film icons- "A Nightmare on Elm Street's" Freddy Krueger and "Friday the 13th's" Jason Vorhees. My own history with these two teen-slicing "anti-heroes" is as such: when I was about 10, I went through this disturbing obsession with all things "Friday the 13th"- saw the six movies available at the time, watched the ill-conceived TV show, and even wrote my own Jason stories. Then I grew up, saw the "Friday" films as little more than hack work, and skipped every "Friday" film until last year's dreadful "Jason X," which essentially remakes "Alien" with Jason and recasts the crew with idiots. As for "Nightmare," I only watched the original Wes Craven massacre masterpiece, watched about five minutes of "Nightmare II," and didn't watch another "Nightmare" flick until Craven's return to the series in 1994's inspired "New Nightmare," which was simply a warmup for his equally inspired "Scream Trilogy" to follow.

So why watch "Freddy vs. Jason"- you may ask- if you're not a huge fan of either series anymore? Morbid curiosity; it's the most curiosity-peaking release since "American Wedding," and the last one of the summer. But you gotta have the atmosphere- the fanboy crowd, the packed house, the six pack of beer and bag of pot you sneaked into the theatre. OK, those last two can wait until the inevitable DVD screenings to follow, since without a crowd, it's likely to suck. Or is it? Call me crazy, but I actually dug this film in a geeky fan-boy way only one familiar- even on the most elementary level- with these flicks can. It makes me want to really see the director's last horror entry- 1998's "Bride of Chucky"- to see if it lived up to the tongue-in-cheek previews. It makes me want to revisit some of the better entries in the "Friday" and "Nightmare" series', and watch the ones I missed. And Lord help me, it makes me actually look forward to watching it on DVD so I can go all "Mystery Science Theater 3000" on it's karo syrup-spilling ass, since said conditions- and the 8-10-year old child I was sitting next to in the theater (I kid you not, this part's true)- prevents such razzing in public. I've tried to limit my solo audio commentaries to personal expressions on films I feel passionate about; "Freddy vs. Jason" may be the exception to the rule.

[MadsenOMC]

What did all of you see in Rowland's performance that apparently I missed? To say that people didn't like her in it because she's black and a singer is kind of strange I think. Those are certainly not my reasons. And yes, I have seen the movie. But the comparison to Busta Rhymes is right on. Making annoying and obnoxious wise cracks to the face of a killer just like Busta did. And that pretty much describes her performance. Annoying and obnoxious. She displayed zero acting ability as far as I could tell. In her defense, she wasn't given anything to work with. But I saw no charisma or screen presence. I'm really baffled by what people saw. And if Madonna snagged a Razzie for Swept Away, odds are very good that Rowland gets a nomination for this. Very good.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
What did all of you see in Rowland's performance that apparently I missed? To say that people didn't like her in it because she's black and a singer is kind of strange I think. Those are certainly not my reasons. And yes, I have seen the movie. But the comparison to Busta Rhymes is right on. Making annoying and obnoxious wise cracks to the face of a killer just like Busta did. And that pretty much describes her performance. Annoying and obnoxious. She displayed zero acting ability as far as I could tell. In her defense, she wasn't given anything to work with. But I saw no charisma or screen presence. I'm really baffled by what people saw. And if Madonna snagged a Razzie for Swept Away, odds are very good that Rowland gets a nomination for this. Very good.

If you compare her performance to every other teen in the movie, I think she is honestly Oscar worthy. She's the best one here, it's a matter of opinion, you could think otherwise. But if she gave the same performance in a different movie I might not be saying the same thing.

[MadsenOMC]

But you didn't answer my question. What did you see that makes you think she is so good?

[jackson13]

I went to a 10 o'clock show Friday night. I got thereat 9:15, stood in line 15 minutes, and find out its sold out. I wasnt to happy, so I zipped across town (South Bend, IN) in 15 minutes to the other multiplex, stand in line 10 minutes, find out its sold out as well. No signs up either place, no announcements, just utter disappointment. I ended up seeing 'Grind' instead, which was pretty funny. Fvs.J has been postponed until this friday for me, and im still extremely looking forward to seeing it.

Oh yeah, and in case anyone has been wonder where I've been the past 4 days, I've been without the internet. The modem went out on my computer and i've been waiting on my cousin to come fix it. Right now im at the library, but I should be back up and running at home in the next couple of days.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Mike
I was offended by the "dark meat" and "faggot" parts, although I can't deny that I laughed my ass off at the line the "F" word was used in.

I found the dark meat line funny. I just couldn't help but laugh. But there really was no reason for Freddy to say it...

Originally posted by Mike
This little boy was sitting behind me with his parents. He talked a lot during it. During the part where the first girl gets naked in the woods, the dad was like "you should cover your eyes, you're only 10 and shouldn't be seeing this." It was like, then why the fuck did you bring him? And he never minded when the kid saw the violence. Hell, during the bedroom kill the dad was even yelling "get him! get him! get him! kill! kill!" Gee, some role model. What a fucking hypocrite. You don't think your kid should see nudity, but watching a violent murder while your dad is yelling loud, cheering it on is real healthy :rolleyes:. It's really dumb how parents get more worried about nudity than violence. The poor kid kept trying to reassure himself throughout the whole movie that he wasn't scared. He would be like "I'm not scared, you know why? Because it's not real." Then he would scream as he jumped out of his seat. Poor little guy. It was obvious he'd be having nightmares last night, and probably each night for awhile. He was a good sport though, and even when he was scared, he would try not to show it. But you knew he was. He acted just like a lot of little kids do during scary movies, and tried to be brave and not show his fear.

lol! There was a little boy next to me when I saw it too! He was with about 5-6 teenage guys. I don't think he knew what they were taking him to see, because he asked them when they were going to get the 3D glasses, I felt kind of bad for him. Then the movie was about to start and they told him to cover his eyes at the bad parts, which is so stupid if you ask me, if you take a little kid to an R rated movie, they shouldn't have to cover their eyes unless they want to. One of the guys told him he didn't have to cover his eyes so he didn't. I could tell he was scared though because he hardly moved throughout the movie and didn't even try to wrestle me for the armrest. Whenever there was a jump scene the guys would ask him, "Did that scare you?" He answered no a couple of times and yes a couple of times as well, he was so cute. I do think I scared him though at the end when I started clapping really loud after "the wink", he seemed startled when I looked at him.

[Mike]

Yep, I agree completely Horror Whore. The part when she was telling Freddy off had me laughing my ass off, as well as the rest of the theater. She was just so cool here. I really really like her after this.

Man, the more I think about this movie, the more I actually like it. It's just too fun. I want to go again. My rating could possibly change to an 8/10 or B+. I think this will be like Final Destination 2 and hold up well on repeat viewings. Both movies might not be the smartest, but they are just too damn fun.


Another line I really liked that made me laugh my ass off was "I wonder what that goalie was so pissed about." The whole theater and I cracked up laughing and didn't stop for a little while. It was really funny.


JESUS! I'm starting to like this one more and more, I want to go again!

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
I found the dark meat line funny. I just couldn't help but laugh. But there really was no reason for Freddy to say it...



lol! There was a little boy next to me when I saw it too! He was with about 5-6 teenage guys. I don't think he knew what they were taking him to see, because he asked them when they were going to get the 3D glasses, I felt kind of bad for him. Then the movie was about to start and they told him to cover his eyes at the bad parts, which is so stupid if you ask me, if you take a little kid to an R rated movie, they shouldn't have to cover their eyes unless they want to. One of the guys told him he didn't have to cover his eyes so he didn't. I could tell he was scared though because he hardly moved throughout the movie and didn't even try to wrestle me for the armrest. Whenever there was a jump scene the guys would ask him, "Did that scare you?" He answered no a couple of times and yes a couple of times as well, he was so cute. I do think I scared him though at the end when I started clapping really loud after "the wink", he seemed startled when I looked at him.


Yes, I'll admit, I did laugh at the dark meat line, yet I was kind of offended at the same time. I could tell members of the audience agreed with me because we laughed and went "Ooohh" (man, I'm probably doing the noise wrong. Hmm, it's kind of like Awww, but not. Like we felt kind of bad.). I think the main thing that got to me was the damn reaction it got out of that one guy though, which made it worse for me. I wanted to kill that asshole. I'm still pissed just thinking about it.


Man, that kid sounds cute. But when you said that he asked when they were going to get the 3-D glasses, I felt really bad for him. He probably thought they were going to see Spy Kids 3-D :(. That's so cruel... Poor little guy...

[Ren Hoek]

The last time I felt that lonely with an opinion was when I stated my dislike of A BEAUTIFUL MIND. Jeez, I don't know what you guys saw in this film. I'm a hardcore NIGHTMARE fan, mind you; and I've spent more nights with my friends, the booze and a FRIDAY flick than I probably should, but I just don't see what's so special about FREDDY VS JASON. And to all who call it cheesy fun or "so bad it's good": IMO, a movie can only be good cheese if it's unintentionally funny (actors fucking up their lines, a boom mike dangling in the frame etc), but it's not funny anymore when it's all deliberately played for laughs at the filmmakers incompetence, e.g. the caterpillar with the bong or the "Freddy was killed by fire etc" line. And why does everyone go cuckoo about that "That goatie was seriously pissed" joke? I mean, everyone around here quotes the Jason Mewes rip-off as if he had delivered another classic movie moment on the level of Orson Welles' "Rosebud" line.

FREDDY VS JASON is far too much aware of its own cheesiness to be really... well, cheesy. Reminds me of GHOST WORLD:

Rebecca: "This is so bad it's almost good."
Enid: "No. This is so bad it's gone past good and back to bad again."

[MadsenOMC]

Don't despair Ren. You're not alone. I didn't like it either.

[Ren Hoek]

*sniff* Thank you, Madsen ;)

[Lazy Boy]

Hey, count me in the club, I didn't like it either.

[MadsenOMC]

Alright we're growing fast.

[Pumpkinhead]

Originally posted by RenHoek
The last time I felt that lonely with an opinion was when I stated my dislike of A BEAUTIFUL MIND. Jeez, I don't know what you guys saw in this film. I'm a hardcore NIGHTMARE fan, mind you; and I've spent more nights with my friends, the booze and a FRIDAY flick than I probably should, but I just don't see what's so special about FREDDY VS JASON. And to all who call it cheesy fun or "so bad it's good": IMO, a movie can only be good cheese if it's unintentionally funny (actors fucking up their lines, a boom mike dangling in the frame etc), but it's not funny anymore when it's all deliberately played for laughs at the filmmakers incompetence, e.g. the caterpillar with the bong or the "Freddy was killed by fire etc" line. And why does everyone go cuckoo about that "That goatie was seriously pissed" joke? I mean, everyone around here quotes the Jason Mewes rip-off as if he had delivered another classic movie moment on the level of Orson Welles' "Rosebud" line.

FREDDY VS JASON is far too much aware of its own cheesiness to be really... well, cheesy. Reminds me of GHOST WORLD:

Rebecca: "This is so bad it's almost good."
Enid: "No. This is so bad it's gone past good and back to bad again."

Don't worry RenHoek, I saw it last night and I despised it too. I'm planning on posting my review here and in Current/Upcoming Horror once I gather my thoughts. And I'm also failing to understand what is so damn funny about that line! There were a few parts where I chuckled, but that line was not one of them.

[BRADFAN]

I saw it. It could have been great, but they didn't allow the story to be creepy enough. What about the atmospher? The first 20 minutes really built the suspense. After that it was crap.

[badberry]

Don't worry Ren, count me in as one who didn't see the greatness of it. I quite enjoyed that review/rant of yours, and agreed with you a lot of the things you mentioned. Although, I did enjoy it more than you.... it gets 5/10 from me.

I actually had a fairly lengthy post written up but something happened on my computer and I lost it...I'll put something more substantial up tommorrow if i get some free time at work.

[DaveyJoeG]

Oh c'mon Ren, didn't you have at least a little bit of fun when Freddy beat the hell out of Jason with the Machete?:D

[gyro_44]

Hey, what is everyone's take on the ending? I just thought I would share my thoughts.

****MAJOR SPOILERS*****








I thought the ending, with the wink to the camera, implied that Freddy had the edge. Perhaps he lost the battle, but the war isn't over yet. And he's got Jason right where he wants him.

It could go either way, I guess... Jason carrying Freddy's severed head out of the water will be enough for many to claim that Jason won. But they did a nice job of making sure they didn't announce a clear victor.



*** END SPOILERS

[sharkstank]

i just saw the movie again yesterday and i'm moving up my score from a 8/10 to a 9/10. i LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEE this movie!

[JC10001]

I just saw it today. It was much better than I anticipated. The acting was not as bad as some of you are making it out to be. This was a horror movie not William Shakespeare.

** MINOR SPOILERS **

The movie got better as it progressed IMO. It might have been better if Freddy got to kill more than 1 person but Jason's kills more than made up for it. I think Jason was more brutal in this movie than any Friday movie.

I don't know why some of you act shocked when you see Jason afraid of water. This was first shown in Friday VIII and the part where Jason turns into a little boy was a direct reference to that chapter in the series. Jason is not afraid of the lake because its sort of like his home. I know it doesnt quite make sense but if you want to point the finger at anything you should point it at Friday VIII and not FvJ because that is where it was first shown.

The final battle between Freddy, Jason, and the teens was very well done imo.

** END SPOILERS **

Btw, I think this movie has legs. I saw it at 1:20pm today (a Tuesday) at a large theater that was about 1/3 full. Thats a lot of people for a Tuesday afternoon showing.

[MadsenOMC]

Don't count on legs. It dropped 10% from Friday to Saturday on opening weekend. Expect a 55-60% drop this weekend. Pretty typical for a horror flick and almost every other movie this summer.

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

I'm seeing this one tomorrow. I'm so excited :)

[badberry]

*****SPOILERS THROUGHOUT********

Originally posted by BRADFAN
I saw it. It could have been great, but they didn't allow the story to be creepy enough. What about the atmospher? The first 20 minutes really built the suspense. After that it was crap.

Exactly! Maybe I was just expecting the wrong thing (I am not a horror buff by any means, and have not seen any previous Freddy or Jason films), but I was looking forward to something scary/creepy/thrilling rather than a fairly lame action-comedy. It was violent, yes, but was anybody scared or creeped out by anything in this film? It wasn’t even suspenseful or tense because you could always see what was gonna happen a mile away, and so much of the film was handled humorously that it was hard to be genuinely creeped out by anything.

Part of the problem is definitely the piss-poor acting and screenplay, which fails to evoke any drama or tension whatsoever, and instead just induces laughs throughout the whole movie. How could anybody not laugh when that guy is sitting on the porch going “I’ll get the guy who did this to you!” or whatever. But complaining about the acting has already been done to death, so I won’t go on about it anymore. It’s bad, plain and simple.

But beyond that, the movie just gets really silly at so many times and a lot of it just doesn’t make any sense. That pot smoking worm thing was easily one of the most retarded things I’ve seen in a movie in a long time. And, why the hell do these kids keep falling asleep at the weirdest times? Especially the dude from the hospital who supposedly knows all about Freddy and how he absolutely CANNOT go to sleep, then decides to nod off at his desk. I mean, come on, staying awake for a night is not that impossible. And why can Freddy be pulled into the real world just be holding on to him when you wake up? Seems pretty silly to me. How does Jason decapitate some guys dad without waking up the teen sitting RIGHT NEXT to him? Why does the huge explosion not take out the dock? Why do we even care about the big fight, since its been established neither of the two can die? So many questions….

I really like this little exchange (dialogue edited for dramatic effect)

“Hey guys, I think I got something on those murders”
“Never mind. We already know who did it.”
“Well, I think it has something to do with Jason Voorhees, the Camp Crystal Lake killer..”
“Sshhh…we don’t talk about Freddy Krueger around here”
“Freddy who? I said Jason…”
“Shut up!”

Man, I love that script. Especially since right after that, he goes over to visit the teens and they read the plot synopsis out loud. Good stuff. But, you say, this movie is not about acting, or a plot that makes sense, its about friggin Freddy vs. Jason! Well, I have to admit, seeing them go at it entertained me a fair amount, but it was still way too cheesy and comical for my tastes. I mean, Freddy plays pinball with Jason for crying out loud. And after a while, blood spurting everywhere really loses its effect. It just gets ridiculous.

However, despite all my complaints against the movie, I can’t hate it. It did have some fun moments, some cool visuals, and even a couple effective scenes (mostly near the beginning). Plus, I was laughing my ass off the whole movie at just the sheer badness of it all, which I guess I have to give points for entertainment value. Some interesting ‘kills’ and a couple good tit shots help out too. While definitely not good filmmaking and far from scary, F vs. J is ok fluff I guess. I get the feeling that the movie could have been A LOT better, if handled differently (you know, without all the lameness)

5/10

[bad seed]

I saw Freddy Vs. Jason on Friday and I have to say that I had a hell of a time. Crowd reaction was some of the best I have seen since Jackass. The movie was a fun,quick, and gory good time that was well worth the price of my ticket and although the acting was mediocre at best the film worked and I can't wait to own it on DVD.
8/10

[Strider]

Freddy vs. Jason (2003)

Rated R for Pervasive Strong Horror Violence/Gore, Gruesome Images, Sexuality, Drug Use and Language

Director: Ronny Yu

Starring Robert Englund, Monica Keena, Ken Kirzinger, Kelly Rowland, Jason Ritter, James Callahan, Brendan Fletcher, and Paula Shaw as "Mrs. Pamela Voorhees".

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0329101/freddy_vs_jason_3.jpg

Synopsis: "The ultimate forms of Hell are about to be unleashed on Earth once again. Freddy Krueger (Robert Englund) is desperate to kill, but he can't for he has been forgotten by those living in Elm Street and he is powerless. Therefore, he manipulates the hulking, hockey-masked serial killer Jason Voorhees (Ken Kirzinger) through visions of his mother, Mrs. Pamela Voorhees (Paula Shaw) and guilt, to go to Elm Street and kill the children so that everyone will think Freddy has returned once again. But his plans don't go according to schedule when Jason discovers that he has been manipulated. So, it's up to teenagers Will (Jason Ritter), Lori (Monica Keena), and Kia (Kelly Rowland), along with a few other survivors of both killers, to lure Jason back to Camp Crystal Lake to kill Freddy once and for all...."

First things first, I wouldn't consider myself a die-hard fan of the title characters or the films. This is mostly because I have only seen the original "Friday the 13th" and "A Nightmare of Elm Street" (both of which I enjoyed), and I've also seen parts of each respective series' endless sequels on cable occasionally. However, I do believe I am adequately acquainted with these characters, that I do share an equal liking for both characters, and that I realize that these characters are both two of the most popular horror icons in this particular genre, to sit back and enjoy the film I'm sure all horror aficionados have been waiting for - "Freddy vs. Jason".

These days, acting in a horror flick is (without a shadow of a doubt) the most insignificant and unimportant aspect. When you go see a mainstream horror flick, you better expect the acting to be terrible, for there's a great possibility it will be exactly that. There are very, very few horror flicks released into theaters today that offer good acting ("Session 9" is the most recent examples). Here, in "Freddy vs. Jason", the so-called "acting" is horrifying. The cast consists of two or perhaps three young, large-breasted girls and several idiotic males who are placed in the film to look pretty (seems as if every horror flick must have attractive stars nowadays) and potential foes and victims of the beloved deadly duo. Even though the acting is pretty bad, it's laughably bad and it should evoke many laughs from the viewer, this more than compensates for the otherwise dreadful acting. If I had to select the best acting job from this young and talentless cast, I would go with Kelly Rowland (one-third of mega-popular female R&B trio, Destiny's Child), for she does offer some great one-liners and sarcasm.

Now, let us move on to the performances which are grand importance and do manage to deliver lots of entertainment. First up, Robert Englund is back for his seventh time to reprise his famous role of the sinister, cunning, and even witty "Freddy Krueger" who has a passion for hats, the colors of red and green, knives, and of course, killing. Englund is great as the character once again, and, I was left impressed by his performance here. Next, there's the massive film stuntman Ken Kirzinger as everyone's favorite hockey-masked killer "Jason Voorhees". Kirzinger replaces Kane Hodder who has played the character in several of the "Friday the 13th" films. Kirzinger is not only menacing as this character, but he's very tough and very intimidating, and slashes away at his victims with his machete with a cool and brutalistic style.

The main reason why most will watch "Freddy vs. Jason" is because of what the title suggests - the first-ever battle between these two killing machines. You will have to be patience with the film though, for the fight doesn't really start until the film's final 30 minutes. By any chance, if you loathe everything else that comes prior to the big finish, have no worries, because this fight delivers the goods. The fight is excessively bloody, violent, and gory, but it's also exciting and fun to watch, and it's certainly worth the price of admission. The man responsible for all the gory entertainment in "Freddy vs. Jason" is director Ronny Yu, who has one other horror flick on his hands, "Bride of Chucky". As for his direction, Yu not only brings buckets after buckets of blood, but he shows his visual style which is very dark and eerie, and at times, even filled with some color.

There are really no major flaws that "Freddy vs. Jason" suffers from, or that takes away from all the entertainment. However, the film has one very minor flaw, and that has to do with the story. For some strange reason, it feels as if the young characters have a little more spotlight than the main stars at times, and it's very obvious that the film spends a lot of time with these characters and their own individual stories. None of this really bothered me, since both Freddy and Jason have a satisfying amount of screen time, but as I said, it's a very minor flaw that's worth mentioning.

Concluding, I'm confident enough that all die-hard fans of each series, created individually by Wes Craven and Victor Miller, will adore what "Freddy vs. Jason" has to offer. While non-fans will possibly be divided into different sides of the spectrum, one side enjoying the film and the other hating it. I fall into the former category. "Freddy vs. Jason" is a fun, exciting, and bloody time at the movies. It's the best mainstream horror flick I've seen in quite awhile, and it's a solid way to close out this decent, yet very fun summer movie season.

Running Time: 1 hour 38 minutes

Grade: 7/10 or *** 1/2 out of *****

Strider

[harpian]

I personally found the line "How sweet, dark meat" so humorous because it was a play on the original line from Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master, "How sweet, fresh meat" that Freddy made so popular.

Kelly Rowland's acting skills definitely need improvement, BUT her performance was much more believable than Monica Keena's, who's line deliverance made me want to gouge my eyes out at various parts in the movie.

Oh and if anyone takes offense to the "dark meat" or "faggot" references, I find that just as ridiculous as me taking offense to the way "bitch" or "whore" was used in the film because I'm a female.

[XCoRyX]

the wet dream movies of all wet dreams.... this one made me scared,in the fact that it would let me down and ruin the characters and franchises of both series,but...luckily,it did the exact opposite,it did JUST the resurrection to the 2 characters they needed,and deserved....absolutely solid and awesome,a dream come true,i didnt have faith in ronny yu but he gets my props now (Still made chucky a horrible series)...he and the writers did this one just right....monica keena and kelly rowland annoyed the shit out of me a few times,but jason ritter,brendan fletcher and katherine issabelle did perfect jobs at what they had to do,and hell even the guy from scary movie (lochlyn munro i believe is his name) did an okay job.Only thing I would have changed,is switch up Keena and Isabelles roles...Isabelle was such a better actress and I wanted to see her alot more,espicially compared to Keena.

Overall Rating- 9/10 aka Great

[NikeAirFor1]

i ve seen it good movie

[t3h Qster]

I saw it, was dissapointed, but then again I didnt expect much.....go freddy!

[movielover999]

Originally posted by badberry
*****SPOILERS THROUGHOUT********



Exactly! Maybe I was just expecting the wrong thing (I am not a horror buff by any means, and have not seen any previous Freddy or Jason films), but I was looking forward to something scary/creepy/thrilling rather than a fairly lame action-comedy. It was violent, yes, but was anybody scared or creeped out by anything in this film? It wasn’t even suspenseful or tense because you could always see what was gonna happen a mile away, and so much of the film was handled humorously that it was hard to be genuinely creeped out by anything.

Part of the problem is definitely the piss-poor acting and screenplay, which fails to evoke any drama or tension whatsoever, and instead just induces laughs throughout the whole movie. How could anybody not laugh when that guy is sitting on the porch going “I’ll get the guy who did this to you!” or whatever. But complaining about the acting has already been done to death, so I won’t go on about it anymore. It’s bad, plain and simple.

But beyond that, the movie just gets really silly at so many times and a lot of it just doesn’t make any sense. That pot smoking worm thing was easily one of the most retarded things I’ve seen in a movie in a long time. And, why the hell do these kids keep falling asleep at the weirdest times? Especially the dude from the hospital who supposedly knows all about Freddy and how he absolutely CANNOT go to sleep, then decides to nod off at his desk. I mean, come on, staying awake for a night is not that impossible. And why can Freddy be pulled into the real world just be holding on to him when you wake up? Seems pretty silly to me. How does Jason decapitate some guys dad without waking up the teen sitting RIGHT NEXT to him? Why does the huge explosion not take out the dock? Why do we even care about the big fight, since its been established neither of the two can die? So many questions….

I really like this little exchange (dialogue edited for dramatic effect)

“Hey guys, I think I got something on those murders”
“Never mind. We already know who did it.”
“Well, I think it has something to do with Jason Voorhees, the Camp Crystal Lake killer..”
“Sshhh…we don’t talk about Freddy Krueger around here”
“Freddy who? I said Jason…”
“Shut up!”

Man, I love that script. Especially since right after that, he goes over to visit the teens and they read the plot synopsis out loud. Good stuff. But, you say, this movie is not about acting, or a plot that makes sense, its about friggin Freddy vs. Jason! Well, I have to admit, seeing them go at it entertained me a fair amount, but it was still way too cheesy and comical for my tastes. I mean, Freddy plays pinball with Jason for crying out loud. And after a while, blood spurting everywhere really loses its effect. It just gets ridiculous.

However, despite all my complaints against the movie, I can’t hate it. It did have some fun moments, some cool visuals, and even a couple effective scenes (mostly near the beginning). Plus, I was laughing my ass off the whole movie at just the sheer badness of it all, which I guess I have to give points for entertainment value. Some interesting ‘kills’ and a couple good tit shots help out too. While definitely not good filmmaking and far from scary, F vs. J is ok fluff I guess. I get the feeling that the movie could have been A LOT better, if handled differently (you know, without all the lameness)

5/10

You really have never seen a Freddy film before, have you... lol... Freddy started off as a scary character who was kept in the dark... People feared the guy during Part 1's release... By the time Part 4 came along, he was turned into a icon comedian... This is the guy who turned into the Wicked Witch of the West is Freddy's Dead riding a broom... The guy who killed a victim with a Nintendo powerglove in what looked like Super Mario Brothers... The guy who turned a girl into a roach and crushed her in a roach motel...

The Freddy bug is just the tip of the iceberg... lol...

Both series took themselves seriously early on... Friday the 13th lost all seriousness by the time Part 6 came around... Nightmare lost it after Part 3 (and in some points during Part 3)...

About Freddy being able to be pulled into the real world... That was a rule discovered and established long ago in 1984 when Nightmare on Elm Street was released...

About the guy not waking up as his father is beheaded??? Cant answer that one...

[someguy]

In regards to the father decapitation thing if you remember that in the early Friday films it was shown that Jason is a prankster at times(example:he punched a guy's head off in part 8 and it landed in a dumpster but he took the head and placed it on the dashboard in a car).

And about the whole not waking up thing everyone who is getting attacked by Freddy is in such a deep sleep that it takes a hard time to get out of it.

[Freeway]

I'm personally very happy for the success of F vs. J. Way to go with a very entertaining horror film.

[DevilMonkey]

Freddy Vs. Jason is a great film I'm psched it was such an awsome hit! You go Freddy and Jason!

OH YEAH!

[XCoRyX]

as towards the father decaptation thing and the kid not waking up...why question only THIS thing....watch all previous freddy films,and you'll be asking a few questions similiar to this....it may be considered a flaw,not to me though,its the fact that in his dreams,hes fighting one badass motherfucker,simply stated...

[badberry]

Well, I just used that as an example of the many things that don't make any sense in the movie.

Like I said, I haven't seen any of the other films, but I might check out the first ones, since it sounds like they might actually be scary or thrilling.....if the sequels are more like this one, then I'll pass.

[XCoRyX]

I'd recommend mostly,Part 3:Dream Warriors,the best sequel in the series.

[MadsenOMC]

There's a cool new Web site called Screenwriter's Voice. They have an interesting article comparing the Freddy vs. Jason screenplay to the final version of the movie.

[dh1989]

Since we're recommending our favorite NOES sequel, I figured I'd chime in to say: New Nightmare (9/10).

***

Click on the below link to check out what 'MadsenOMC' was talking about:

http://screenwriting.ugo.com/film/freddyvsjason_scriptvsfilm.php

[MadsenOMC]

New Nightmare is good. I went to the video store last night and the only sequel they had on DVD was New Nightmare. I haven't seen it in years so I got it and watched it. It's very good. A little overlong (around 110 minutes), but otherwise pretty damn solid.

[DevilMonkey]

"Here it is, Jennifer. Your big break in T.V.! Welcome to prime time, bitch!"

The best Freddy Movie is defiantly The Dream Warriors, it’s one of my all time favorite horror films too 10/10. Here is a plot description I found on IMDB: “Picking up where the original Nightmare left off, Nancy has grown up and become a psychiatrist specializing in dream therapy. She meets a group of children at a local hospital facing Freddy Krueger, the same demon she once encountered in her sleep. One of them is Kristen, who has the power to draw other people into her dreams. Working with a male doctor assigned to the case, Nancy helps the kids realize their special abilities within the nightmare world. When Freddy captures one of her charges, she leads a rescue attempt into Krueger's domain, in hopes of putting his spirit to rest once and for all.”

[dh1989]

Here are the plot descriptions for every NOES film, so those who still need to check them out, you can choose the ones that interest you the most...

A Nightmare On Elm Street: "Nancy and her friends are having violent nightmares which all feature one common element, a disfigured serial killer with a glove made of razors on his right hand. When one of the group is murdered in their sleep. Nancy realizes that she must stay awake and try uncover the truth behind this phantasmic killer, Freddy Krueger."

A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge: "A new family moves into the house on Elm Street, and before long, the kids are again having nightmares about deceased child murderer Freddy Krueger. This time, Freddy attempts to possess a teenage boy to cause havoc in the real world, and can only be overcome if the boy's sweetheart can master her fear."

A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: The Dream Warriors: "Picking up where the original Nightmare left off, Nancy has grown up and become a psychiatrist specializing in dream therapy. She meets a group of children at a local hospital facing Freddy Krueger, the same demon she once encountered in her sleep. One of them is Kristen, who has the power to draw other people into her dreams. Working with a male doctor assigned to the case, Nancy helps the kids realize their special abilities within the nightmare world. When Freddy captures one of her charges, she leads a rescue attempt into Krueger's domain, in hopes of putting his spirit to rest once and for all."

A Nightmare On Elm Street 4: The Dream Mater: "Following up the previous Nightmare film, dream demon Freddy Krueger is resurrected from his apparent demise, and rapidly tracks down and kills the remainder of the Elm Street kids. However, Kristen (who can draw others into her dreams) wills her special ability to her friend Alice. Alice soon realizes that Freddy is taking advantage of that unknown power to pull a new group of children into his foul domain."

A Nightmare On Elm Street 5: The Dream Child: "Alice, having survived the previous installment of the Nightmare series, finds the deadly dreams of Freddy Krueger starting once again. This time, the taunting murderer is striking through the sleeping mind of Alice's unborn child. His intention is to be "born again" into the real world. The only one who can stop Freddy is his dead mother, but can Alice free her spirit in time to save her own son?"

Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare: "In part six of the Nightmare on Elm Street series, dream monster Freddy Krueger has finally killed all the children of his hometown, and seeks to escape its confines to hunt fresh prey. To this end, he recruits the aid of his (previously unmentioned) daughter. However, she discovers the demonic origin of her father's powers and meets dad head-on in a final showdown (originally presented in 3-D)."

Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Friday: "Jason Voorhees, the living, breathing essence of evil, is back for one fierce, final fling. Tracked down and blown to bits by a special FBI task force, everyone now assumes that he's finally dead. But everyone assumes wrong. Jason has been reborn with the bone-chilling ability to assume the identity of anyone he touches. The terrifying truth is he could be anywhere. Or anybody. In this shocking, blood-soaked finale to Jason's carnage-ridden of terror, the horrible secret of his unstoppable killing instinct is finally revealed."

New Nightmare: "In 1984, horror director Wes Craven created "A Nightmare on Elm Street." It was acclaimed as one of the scariest movies ever made and made unknowns like Robert Englund, Johnny Depp, and Heather Langenkamp huge stars. Ten years later, Heather is living happily with her husband, Chase (David Newsom), and her son, Dylan (Miko Hughes). But her life has now been turned upside down because she is being stalked by a person who sounds like Nightmare villain Freddy Krueger, Chase has just been killed in a car accident after he accidentally fell asleep, Dylan refuses to sleep any more, and New Line Cinema has just offered her a part in "the ultimate Nightmare." But some other strange things have been happening, including earthquakes and Craven being tight-lipped about the script. The ultimate truth is that Freddy Krueger is actually an ancient demon breaking out into our world, but in order to do that, he must go through Heather. And he knows he can get out by harming those near her..."

Freddy Vs. Jason: "Four years after being killed by his daughter, Freddy Krueger rests in Hell. He depends on the dreams of those in Springwood to fuel his existence. But when the town covers up his existence in an attempt to make people forget, Freddy is left powerless. In a last ditch effort he springs Jason Voorhees from his own personal Hell and sends him to Elm Street, determined to strike fear in the hearts of Springwood teens. But when Jason won't stop killing Freddy's "children," Krueger decides it's time to take Voorhees out. Caught in the cross-fire are Lori and Will, both of whom feature a history with Freddy."

If you view them all, you'll see the entire theatrical life of Mr. Freddy Krueger.

[Ren Hoek]

I remember how it freaked me out when I watched JASON GOES TO HELL the first time and suddenly we see Freddy's glove, pulling Jason into hell. I had totally forgotten that New Line owned the rights for both franchises. Crappy movie, cool twisty ending.

[XCoRyX]

Jason Goes To Hell was....infact hell to watch.Absolutely putrid.

[DevilMonkey]

Jason goes to hell sounds very interesting especially because of the Freddy thing, I'll probably check it out just because of that.

[someguy]

Devil let me tell you that the Freddy thing happens for 3 seconds.

It shows Jason's hockey mask then Freddy's claw shoots out of the ground and pulls it under.

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by someguy
Devil let me tell you that the Freddy thing happens for 3 seconds.

It shows Jason's hockey mask then Freddy's claw shoots out of the ground and pulls it under. Still worth checking out.

[Ren Hoek]

@DevilMonkey and someguy... sorry for getting off topic, but you guys' avatars rock! :D

[XCoRyX]

freddys scene in JGTH is quite cool and all,but your likely not able to get through the rest of the film..

[sharkstank]

i actually just bought jgth because, well, it's the only other good jason dvd other than jason x(which i already own) because i want all the friday the 13th movies once paramount finally releases the box set.and i thought it was decent (5/10). wasn't bad, i liked how it was origianl and some of the kills and characters are cool. and the ending still makes me cry (even after seeing f vs j)

btw, i cant wait for the f vs j dvd announcement as it should be the greatest dvd of all time:)
but i'll settle for a great dvd
(after the film's grossed 90 million of course:D )

[DevilMonkey]

Originally posted by RenHoek
@DevilMonkey and someguy... sorry for getting off topic, but you guys' avatars rock! :D Thanks, I know it rocks :D .

[someguy]

I think that Ren likes yours more Devil. Although he would like mine more if the cat was covered in a tasty batter.

;)

[AppleHuntr]

Originally posted by RenHoek

Rebecca: "This is so bad it's almost good."
Enid: "No. This is so bad it's gone past good and back to bad again."

EXACTLY


I ended up being one who despised this movie. The review I agree with most is from boxofficemojo.com, posted below:

Face it, a movie featuring killers Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees is not attempting to be high cinematic art. The characters' individual outings have ranged from not bad (the original Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street are both legitimate splatter horror classics) to high camp (last year's Jason X). But the stunningly incompetent Freddy vs. Jason is so bad that it is nearly unwatchable.

What we have in director Ronny Yu's franchise showdown is the grotesque wrapped in a kitsch package. There is not an ounce of anything approaching originality or brainpower in the concrete block of a script by writers Damian Shannon and Mark Swift. The only brain matter on tap is splattered all over the screen at regular intervals.

The story, what there is of it, concerns the efforts of the evil spirit of Freddy Krueger (Robert Englund) to regain his power to enter the dreams of the teenagers of Elm Street. The town has successfully exorcised Freddy by making the children forget about him, costing him his demonic hold. To rectify this problem, Freddy resurrects hockey-masked killer Jason (Ken Kirzinger) to raise the fear level and give the dream killer the power he needs to do his ungodly acts.

Jason carries out his mission with silent efficiency, killing a lunk-headed jock while his drunken girlfriend showers unaware of the mayhem in the next room (as in the original movies, Jason targets teenagers who are sexually active and/or those who use alcohol or other drugs), and later more people at an out door bacchanalia. In the meantime, hero Will (Jason Ritter) breaks out of a local insane asylum to save long-ago girlfriend Lori (Monica Keena) -- though they serve more as meat for the grinder than as characters we want to root for.

While the idiot savant heroes try to figure out how to save themselves, Jason and Freddy have a falling out and begin beating the undead snot out of each other in an absolutely stupid dream sequence that borders on the comedic.

The final showdown at Jason's old killing ground, Crystal Lake, is just as idiotic. Teenagers die, Freddy and Jason have duke it out, and the end has a "twist" that voids the entire movie.

That there is no one to root for in this dingy, ugly picture is bad enough, but the casual way in which innocent people are killed and all manner of sadism depicted (which includes the rape of an unconscious teenager and implied violence against children) pushes Freddy vs. Jason beyond the pale. The movie plays all of this as if it is a big joke with Freddy offering clever one-liners and the indestructible Jason immune to flame, bullets and sharp objects. But this is just plain nastiness that should be avoided at all costs.

END OF REVIEW


I thought it was kinda funny at first, but then the film just kept going and going (felt like it was over 2 hours) and it just became increasingly.........unpleasant. I wasnt scared or offended at the unpleasantness (i.e. the TWO *near* rape scenes and the unrelenting amount of blood) but it wasnt what fun, mindless popcorn movies are made of, at least not for me. There was so much blood in this movie i found it to get old (and boring) fast.

When 2 of my friends ducked out to watch the much better Freaky Friday I longed to go with them but I couldnt leave another friend by herself, so reluctantly i stayed. when it ended admitted to my friend who made us see Uptown Girls last week instead of this that yes, her movie was much, much better, and I didnt even like Uptown very much.


and Mike I see where yer coming from, my friend who didnt wanna see this is squeamish with horror movies and I was uncomfortable with her having to sit thru this on our behalf. and the fact that I thought it really sucked just made it worse.


3/10
i think ive had enough of crappy horror movies for now.......but damn that Texas Chainsaw trailer kicked ass on the big screen
:cool:

[Fisting Ackbar]

When the girl took off her clothes and started swimming in Jason's dream, I had the feeling that it turned out to be a self-parody similar to JASON X, and Katharine Isabelle screaming and running through the rain with only a towel made me think that even more.

Unfortunatly, the rest of the movie seemed to take itself too serious with it's subplot about Lori's mother, and I started realizing how atrocious the acting really was, not to mention the dialogue that they spewed out.

Yu's editing of slow motion during the dream sequences was horrendous, and while it was incredibly gory and the final bit of the fight between the two boogeymen was cool, I left feeling very disappointed after hearing ppl rave about it.

I'll have to let it sink in but for now I'm going with a 3/10

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FREDDY V.S. JASON

Starring: Robert Englund, Ken Kirzinger, Monica Keena, Jason Ritter, Kelly Rowland

Directed by: Ronny Yu

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Story: Pissed off that no one remembers him, bad boy Freddy Krueger gets into Jason Voorhees' mind and begins to control him. Fredddy gets Jason to go back to ol' Springwood and kill off shallow teens, police officers, or anyone in his sight. But once Freddy gets his power back, Jason doesn't stop killing. Freddy is pissed. Teens in the middle. Battling, bad lines, and Freddy ensue....

Review: There's only one movie where you can see teens spew out terrible lines and get upstaged by someone who kills and doesn't talk; only one where you can hear a rhyme that goes talks about Freddy coming for you....AND hearing some creepy pow..pow...pow theme at the same time; one movie where two horror beasts go after each other in one big battle...with teens in the middle of it all!!!! That movie- Freddy V.S. Jason. The newest money maker horror movie put out, but this time, movie buffs and horror buffs both want to see it. This is because of the fact two horror icons wrestle with each other.....and who doesn't want to see that. Plus, with a catchy trailer and some badass killings going on, F V.S. J is what people have been waiting for. With Bride of Chucky (nice résumé) director, Ronny Yu, at the helm, it seemed like this was going to turn out to be an interesting movie. So, how did it turn out?

Let me start off by saying that if you are going into this movie expecting top notch acting by anyone, then you'll be surely disappointed. This film includes some of the worst acting I have seen in recent years.....yes, possibly worse then 'The Core'. The dialogue as well is pretty terrible itself. With many cliche quotes attachted to the script. Well, that's the non-beast's dialogue anyway. Englund is fead with delioius puns and one-liners that make you laugh just as hard as the dialogue the actors who aren't a horror beast's spew. Anyway. Yes, the acting in all forms is terrible. Kelly Rowland, making her acting debut, was probably the worst of them all. Taking her not-so-serious role waaaay too serious, girlfriend. A particular scene where she stands up to Freddy was so unbearable I wanted to throw something at the screen. Kelly, stick to singing. The rest of the actors are just as bad, taking their parts to seriously. I assume they got overwhelmed and just got scared.......umm, no. But I myself have a comeback for this rant. It's a horror movie! The acting's supposed to be bad! Yes. But the acting was so bad I thought I'd rant about it.

One man who probably could've just said his one liners for the duration is Robert Englund. The man who rocked my world. The guy has never been better as Freddy, and every time he was on screen, I got excited like a girl at a Avril Lavine concert. He mixes his wit, his charm (?), and evilness to make Freddy even better. Who, by the way, I prefer over Jason....and you can quote me on that one. Although Jason *was* getting the job done, or should I say, Kirzinger was getting the job done. Yes, there's a new Jason actor in town. He was good. He have us a presence that Jason has been lacking in the past 3 films. He made me scared when on screen, I would like to see him reprise the role of Jason.

Ronny Yu, director of that amazing Bride of Chucky (sarcasm) is the man behind it all. I found the style he chose interesting. At times his style was irritating and intoxicating and made me feel sick. The camera would be all over the place, and we would see different colours flying all over....and green blood? But when it worked, oh boy, did it work! He makes the two beasts look very frightening and give us a sense of really being scared to death. And when the time came for Freddy and Jason to square off, it was simple...but it worked. Throughout the film he was making the camera fly all over the place, using different colours for a shade, and green blood....the final 25 minutes were simple....but so stylish I was happy with what was happening. Although some of his style did annoy me, Ronny Yu has a promising future in the horror world me finks....the dude is kicking ass.

Before the actual big winner takes all fight, there is an actual movie with actual killings and doings. If you are familiar with the Freddy and Jason flicks, you will be please to see some of the old antics and style going around. Sure, not totally original, but I was pleased, and many buffs should be too. But we also have cardboard character development, and plot holes bigger then...well....just big. The pace goes by quickly enough, you'd have to be a F1 racer to stay on track. Hell, when I wanted to go to the washroom, I was afraid I'd loose half of the movie. But, like I said before, 'tis a horror movie. The good thing about all of this, is that we aren't drowned with a terrible story, although we have the story that is laughable, and a sub plot that really didn't need to be there, there are some killings, and my, my. It was fun.

But throughout the film, I over-looked the bad...I just point all of this out because sometimes I just need to. I was smiling and loving every minute of this film. It isn't amazing filmmaking, but it sure is fun. And now that I've become a newbie horror fan, I enjoyed this film even more. The film doesn't scare us, it sometimes gives us chills....but the bottom line, it was made for money (duh), but also for the horror fan in all of us to have a great time, and see two horror Gods in the same movie together. And when the two guys *did* battle, I was loving life. This is like a dream....but a good one. Entertaining and fun.




***/****

[CrazyKillah]

Boxoffice estimates through Sunday have this flick raking in $61.5 million - best for #1 two weekends in a row!

[sharkstank]

yup. 61.5 mil and counting:)

[XCoRyX]

yes yes yes,let f vs j make more history....

it shall however in my prediction,fall from #1 to jeepers creepers 2...

[syxxpac]

I caught this on Saturday and am not disappointed that I did. Probably one of the most downright entertaining movies I've ever seen. Not scary in the least bit, but there's enough nudity, profanity, action, laughs and morbid sight gags packed into this baby that I can forgive the cliches and plot holes.

Not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination, but definitely one I could watch over and over again for its entertainment factor alone.

Freddy Krueger vs. Jason Voorhees, a battle that in the end doesn't disappoint, from its gruesome, gory, and creative kills drenched in plasma to its mesmerizing main event.

8/10

[XCoRyX]

thats the spirit.

[syxxpac]

Indeed.

[arby19]

Great movie! Saw it last night. Creative kills, lots of blood and guts. Wasnt scary but the amazing kills and tits make up for it. The fight at the end of the movie was great.

8/10

[XCoRyX]

yeah the fight scenes were so amazing.

[KcMsterpce]

I was going to see it again last night with a friend who hasn't seen it yet, but I was ditched. That's unfortunate, too because I had a good time with this one.
It was everything I wanted. The biggest drawback was the voiceover with Freddy in the beginning. Everything he said was repeated several times in the movie, so there was no need for him to make his mediocre VO. Even the audience who hasn't seen any of the Freddy or Jason movies would come to understand what's going on even with half a brain.

It's not that smart, but clever enough to pass the Total Bullshit meter. I wasn't looking for a smart movie; I was looking for Freddy and Jason to kick ass! And kick ass they did! With other people, then with each other. Loads of fun.

Freddy had great charisma in the final battle, and I enjoyed every minute of it.


7/10

[XCoRyX]

Kc,you made it out like you love it so much but gave it a 7/10...cmon be a trooper give it that 9.5/10 like i did,i boosed it up a .5 ;)