Head Of State, 1000 Corpses, Lizzie McGuire, Hunted, Cradle 2 Grave, Will & Grace??? [Archive]

Mike

08-08-2003, 12:37 AM

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THIS WEEKS NEW VHS/DVD RELEASES:

10,000 Black Men Named George (2002)

L'aventure C'est L'aventure (1972)

Babylon 5: The Complete Third Season (6-disc set)

Backbeat (1994)

La Bonne Anne (Happy New Year) (1973)

Boogeyman (1983)

Borodin Quartet: Concert Master Class

Carrie (2002)

Children of the Night (1991)

Cradle 2 the Grave (widescreen) (2003)

Cradle 2 the Grave (full-frame) (2003)

The Curse of the Aztec Mummy/ The Robot Versus the Aztec Mummy (1957/1958)

Daisy Miller (1974)

The Devil Came From Akasava (1971)

Die! Die! My Darling! (1965)

Fflokes (1980)

For Love or Money (1993)

Futurama: Vol. 2 (4-disc set) (2000)

Gotcha! (1985)

Hard to Hold (1984)

He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not (2002)

Head of State (widescreen) (2003)

Head of State (full-frame) (2003)

Helen of Troy (2003)

Hemingway (2-disc set) (1988)

House of 1000 Corpses (2002)

The Hunted (2003)

Kuffs (1992)

The Lizzie McGuire Movie (2003)

Maryam (2000)

The Night of the Following Day (1968)

Once Upon a Time in China Trilogy (2-disc set)

Paper Moon (1973)

Playing for Keeps (1986)

Rocky & Bullwinkle & Friends: Season One (4-disc set)

Short Eyes (1977)

SNL: 25 Years of Music (5-disc set)

SNL: The Best of Will Ferrell

SNL: The Best of Molly Shannon

SNL: The Best of Adam Sandler

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1978)

Targets (1968)

This Is Not a Love Song (2002)

The Touch of Her Flesh/The Curse of Her Flesh/The Kiss of Her Flesh (1967/1968)

Treasures of Hermitage (1992)

The Ugly American (1963)

Via Dolorosa (2000)

The Wild Wild World of Jayne Mansfield/The Labyrinth of Sex (1968/1970)

X-312 Flight to Hell (1971)

WHAT WILL YOU RENT/BUY?

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Mike

08-08-2003, 12:55 AM

HEAD OF STATE looked like a decent rental, so that's what I will be doing, renting it.

I saw some of an episode of the Lizzie McGuire TV show a couple of summers ago, and I thought it was stupid and cheesy. LAME! I also can't stand Hilary Duff. Yet since it's such a slow week for rentals and there's nothing else to see, I'll probably rent the damn thing.

I've seen half of House Of 1000 Corpses so far, and I still need to finish it, yet I just have been so busy and not in the biggest of hurry. What I saw was alright, but I think it will probably get worse since it's supposed to get all crazy and weird towards the end. I think it will probably go downhill in the second half.

The Hunted looks awful, as does Cradle 2 The Grave. Plus, the cover art for Cradle 2 The Grave is so laughably terrible. My god is it funny. It's like a trainwreck, I can't stop looking.

I love the HILARIOUS Will & Grace, so I will definitely be buying the first season.

I saw a little of the Carrie TV remake one night when it was re-airing, and I wasn't that into it. I might have actually rented it though IF I wouldn't have seen the HORRIBLY DISTURBING pig slaughter. It's been a long time since I've seen the original, but I'm pretty damn certain it wasn't so graphic. In fact, I know it couldn't have been, because I would have remembered. I don't think they even showed the actual pig slaughter in the original. This scene made me turn the TV version off, I couldn't watch any more. I can't fucking believe how violent it was. This scene made me sick. I loved Angela Bettis in MAY, but I thought the original Carrie (5/10 or C-) pretty much sucked and with a MUCH more violent pig slaughter, I just couldn't bring myself to actually sit through this TV remake. God was this part hard to watch. I'm sure it turned others off as well.

So I will rent Head Of State and Lizzie, and buy Will & Grace.

A.J. Hakari

08-08-2003, 01:00 AM

Actually, Mike, I recommend THE HUNTED. It's an unflashy thriller that features intense close-quarter battles instead of huge explosions and such. Solid suspense and moody acting all around. You probably will think it's a little cheesy, but not as much as you'd think. Give it a chance when it reaches the old release shelves, at least. :cool:

Freeway

08-08-2003, 01:07 AM

Mike, the pig scene got to you but you want to see House of 1K Corpses which is MUCH more violent? That doesn't make any sense. The Carrie remake was a TV movie for godsakes. It wasn't that violent at all since TV censors certainly wouldn't allow for it. I actually liked the remake. A little better than the original in some ways. I'll be buying H1KC and renting Cradle 2 the Grave, saw and disliked the almost plotless and pointless The Hunted, won't touch Head of State or the Lizzie M. film because they are supposed to be formulaic crap despite the fact that I find Hillary Duff adorable.

Lazy Boy

08-08-2003, 01:14 AM

I will avoid House of 1000 Corpses like the plague...

The Carrie remake didn't do much for me, as I love the original, but I'll still probably get it just for Angela Bettis' performance, which was the only thing of substance that I remembered while watching the TV version.

I'm sooo glad Paper Moon is coming to DVD, that's a must-own film for me.

Mike

08-08-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Freeway
Mike, the pig scene got to you but you want to see House of 1K Corpses which is MUCH more violent? That doesn't make any sense. The Carrie remake was a TV movie for godsakes. It wasn't that violent at all since TV censors certainly wouldn't allow for it.

I HATE animal violence, and I found the Carrie remake to be very disturbing during that scene. I couldn't sit through it again. The first half of House isn't that violent so far, and if it happens to get really violent, then I highly doubt it will be animal violence, so it won't bother me. I have no problem with violence involving people, but animal violence disturbs me.

Freeway

08-08-2003, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Mike
I HATE animal violence, and I found the Carrie remake to be very disturbing during that scene. I couldn't sit through it again. The first half of House isn't that violent so far, and if it happens to get really violent, then I highly doubt it will be animal violence, so it won't bother me. I have no problem with violence involving people, but animal violence disturbs me.

I too hate animal violence but isn't there something wrong with us all to not have problems with people betting maimed, tortured, and then killed such as what happens in H1KC.

dh1989

08-08-2003, 01:44 AM

I snuck into House of 1000 Corpses, and walked out at the 25 minute mark. It was absolutely awful, and I'd rather consume a human liver than see the rest of it.

The Hunted looks like an entertaining thriller, and I'll definitely rent it. I am also interested in, perhaps, checking out Cradle 2 The Grave. I will be boycotting The Lizzie McGuire Movie.

SLAW

08-08-2003, 01:48 AM

They're all just so good that I can't decide. :(

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Scarface98.9

08-08-2003, 01:56 AM

Yep, another week of a whole mess of movies I'm not interested at all in

Strider

08-08-2003, 02:50 AM

Not a good week. But I'll be purchasing "The Hunted", it was an entertaining popcorn thriller with some realistic and bloody fights, and two solid performances from Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del Toro.

What else? "Head of State" and "Cradle 2 the Grave" were both decent and entertaining flicks, but I believe one viewing was quite enough for myself.

As for rentals, there's really nothing that looks good. However, for some very strange reason, "House of 1000 Corpses" sounds moderately interesting. At first, I was totally against watching this film ever, but now, I'd like to see how bad most have said it is. :D

Strider

ilovemovies

08-08-2003, 02:54 AM

I really liked Hilary Duff in Agent Cody Banks. I think she glows on screen. So for her I will check out The Lizzy Maguire movie. I may also give House of 1000 Corpses a try even though it looks awful. I really enjoyed The Hunted (it's very exciting) and Cradle 2 the Grave but I won't be buying them for awhile because I'm saving up for Alias season 1 and 24 season 2. I've also seen Head of State but it's not a very good movie so I won't be buying that one either.

That's it I suppose.

Mike

08-08-2003, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Freeway
but isn't there something wrong with us all to not have problems with people betting maimed, tortured, and then killed such as what happens in H1KC.

No, I don't really think there's anything wrong with it. House Of 1000 Corpses isn't even very violent. The whole thing is too silly to be bothered by. The only time when people getting killed in movies really bothers me is if it's done in a disturbing way. Some of the things in If I Die Before I Wake disturbed me, and in The Hills Have Eyes. But I just find animal deaths MUCH more disturbing. In fact, if I had to choose, I could kill a person much easier than I could an animal. Animals are innocent, and people aren't for the most part. I'd give my life to save an animal, of course, I would to save a person too (unless I didn't like them and they didn't deserve to be saved---aka if they were assholes), I'd give up my life to save another pretty damn easily ;).

Mikey2Dope

08-08-2003, 05:31 AM

Head of State - Hell no.
Cradle 2 The Grave (2/10) - The worst movie of 2003 so far.
House of 1000 Corpses (7/10) - Will most likely buy
Futurama Season 2 - Definately buying
The Hunted - Will rent
Carrie Re-Make (2/10) - An absolute disgrace to the original. Terrible special effects,terrible acting and nothing creepy about it at all. Plus the new Carrie, if she did a couple things differently, would be good looking whereas the original Carrie was very mousey and actually looked like an outcast. Same thing with the opening scene. Very nasty and disturbing in the original, very weak and pathetic in the new one.

PorcheRacer

08-08-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Mike
Plus, the cover art for Cradle 2 The Grave is so laughably terrible. My god is it funny. It's like a trainwreck, I can't stop looking.

Defintley terrible cover art. Jet Li needs a tan, he looks like an albino. To think, he passed up THE MATRIX RELOADED for this. Smart movie, Jet!

The Hunted - Seen this in theaters and would give it a 7/10..maybe a 6/10. Not interest in seeing it again, it was basically all action and no plot. The action scenes were good though.

Head Of State - PG-13 Chris Rock? Pass! I hate Bernie Mack anyways.

Cradle 2 The Grave Yes, I actually seen this in theaters. I never want to see it again.5/10, if only for some good action scenes.

Lizzie Maguire Movie - Looks like garbage. That Duff girl is cute though.

Carrie - The original sucked, I'm not a big fan of made for TV movies and that cover art is even worse then Cradle 2 The Graves.

House Of 1000 Corpses - Looks pretty good and violent, I'll rent it for sure.

:( Nothing much this week...

ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW

08-08-2003, 09:36 AM

I'm definately gonna be getting HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES. Big Rob Zombie fan here, and I admire his perseverance with this film. I haven't seen it, so I'm sure it will be a blind buy, but being a fan and all, I'm sure it won't disapoint. Well... it can't get much worse than... erm... swimfan :(

And I will most likely be getting CRADLE 2 THE GRAVE as well. Hang me, but I really enjoy Andrzej Bartkowiak's films. Romeo Must Die was pretty entertaining, as was Exit Wounds... in my opinion anyways.

Horror whore

08-08-2003, 10:38 AM

Head of State (C)- Saw it in theaters, it was nothing special, I have no desire to see it again.
The Lizzie McGuire Movie- I wouldn't mind checking it out, it looks alright.
House of 1000 Corpses- Worst. Movie. Ever. 'Nuff said.
The Hunted- Looks okay, I'll check it out.
Cradle 2 The Grave (C-)- Forgettable popcorn movie, I might check it out again.

Heavenley

08-08-2003, 11:08 AM

Head of State - I like Chris Rock so I'll rent this one.

House of 1000 Corpses - I can't wait to see this one. So a definite rental.

Lizzie McGuire Movie - Might be fun to watch eventually

Carrie (Remake) - I saw this one on tv before and I did like it, but I wouldn't watch it again. I like all the Carrie movies tho.

Mike

08-08-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
The Hunted - Seen this in theaters and would give it a 7/10..maybe a 6/10. Not interest in seeing it again, it was basically all action and no plot. The action scenes were good though.

That's exactly how I thought it would be. That's what pretty much everyone has said about it, which makes me not want to see it. It looked AWFUL and I hate ALL action and pretty much no plot. That's how Cradle 2 The Grave is supposed to be as well, but if I had to choose between the two, I would go with Cradle 2 The Grave. Although I still can't get over the awful cover art. Jet Li almost looks like Yoko Ono on it.

The Delfonics

08-08-2003, 11:16 AM

Kind of a crappy list for the number of releases. Hmm maybe Ill give Hunted another shot.

RickySlade

08-08-2003, 01:05 PM

saw THE HUNTED, HEAD OF STATE and HO1K.

Will be checking out Cradle 2 The Grave.

Fisting Ackbar

08-08-2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Mike
Yet since it's such a slow week for rentals and there's nothing else to see, I'll probably rent the damn thing.

Just a suggestion...you could always rent older films which are probably just as good, if not much better than the current releases.

CARRIE (2002) looks bad, but I might rent it at some point just to compare to the original. THE HUNTED might also be a decent watch.

DevilMonkey

08-08-2003, 06:15 PM

I'll be getting House of 100O Corpses, Lizzie McGuire, and Futurama Volume 2 :)

Mike

08-08-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Fisting Ackbar
Just a suggestion...you could always rent older films which are probably just as good, if not much better than the current releases.

A lot of the older ones I want to see though I can't get on DVD at my video store. I've already checked out pretty much all of the older releases that my video store has on DVD that I want to see. I'd like to see the Alien movies, and Annie Hall for one, but my video store only has them on VHS, and I don't want to have to watch them on VHS. I'd resort to movies like Glitter, but they don't even have that on video. Hopefully they will get a better selection on DVD soon. Besides, I like to try and see as many movies as I can for each year, and I usually only skip the ones that I think look completely unbearable. Lizzie McGuire looks lame, but I doubt it's going to be something so atrocious that I couldn't make it through it.

RickySlade

08-08-2003, 07:34 PM

Why wouldn't u want to see it on VHS?

Freeway

08-08-2003, 07:45 PM

Maybe he doesn't want to see it on VHS because the inferior picture quality of VHS hurts his eyes. ;) Plus, they aren't in widescreen most of the time. I won't rent them unless it's for an older movie since they likely wouldn't have a copy on DVD.

Sad man

08-08-2003, 07:51 PM

Horrible week! Horrible! Just horrible!

The only DVD I care about is for the hilarious WILL & GRACE. Actually it should be called JACK & KAREN, because Will and Grace suck and are not funny. :D

I saw House of 1,000 Corpses (5/10 or C) a few weeks ago and I didn't like it. It started good but it went downhill so very fast, the last 20 minutes are boring and make no sense. Stupid and predictable movie.

I don't care at all about the rest!

ColinM

08-08-2003, 08:23 PM

Hunted, Hilary Duff Cradle 2 the Grave and Head of State all looked like shit, and House of 1,000 Corpses did too but I've heard good things from several reliable sources, so I'll probably give it a try.

This is the one I'm really looking forward to seeing...

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I love Audrey Tautou.

I'd like to check out that version of Carrie for Angela Bettis, who was excellent in May (8.5/10), but I really should see the original first. :(

sharkstank

08-08-2003, 11:46 PM

renting head of state, lizzie mcguire

maybe buying the wwe brock lesnar dvd(if i could find a extras list)

i saw 1,000 corpses,hunted, and cradle 2 the grave in theatres.

Cradle 2 the Grave 3/10 Very Bad, Very Stupid, Bad Action
I know on action films like this the plot,dialogue,and acting don't need to make sense or be great or thought provoking,but I just felt insulted by this talky,unexciting action film. Tony Fait (DMX) is a jewel thief with a heart of gold. When Fait and his crew (Anthony Anderson,Gabrielle Union,Drag-On) rob a diamond exchange, they take 50 black diamonds. The diamonds cause them to become involved in a ploy to sell the diamonds, which are capable of world destruction. They are tracked down by Taiwanese agent Su (Jet Li) who is trying to retrieve the diamonds and keep them from nemesis and old friend Ling and his group of thugs (including Kelly Hu) who want to sell the diamonds to the highest evil bidder. What follows is a convoluted,horrible, and utter boring attempt to thrill an audience. The action scenes are bland and don't deliver, the story is completely non sensical, and there are many instances where you will scratch your head and ask,”what the hell”?For instance,Fait taking four steps up a wall and flipping over a rottweiler, Fait riding an ATV from rooftop to rooftop,a cage trampoline,lasers stripping a diamond of protons to cause the levels of destruction,a lavish prison cell,a hilariously bad bidding sequence,a McGyver like 8 year old girl,and the requisite 50 guys stand around Jet Li and attack one by one to promptly be dealt with. Also,the dialogue is exceptionally bad and laughable. Every time something or somebody needs to be found,a character spouts who or where,then when asked why,says “i know”.The end is a mess as it tries to juggle several different situations and has several cuts and trickery. The only bright spots were Anderson and Tom Arnold as the comic reliefs,the tank shooting sequence,Union's strip scene,and the soundtrack. Overall a talky,ridiculous,and long waste of time which fails to deliver the action as promised on this sort of premise.

The Hunted 6/10 Good Chase Movie, No Substance
An exceptional cat and mouse movie that is interesting,has endearing,albeit familiar,performances and no story or depth. LT Bonham (Jones)has been training soldiers to survive and kill his entire career. When four hunters are found mutilated in the wilderness,and the main suspect Aaron Hallum (Del Toro)is linked to Bonham,he is summoned to catch him. What follows is a lot of grass sniffing,quick getaways,and retelling of just about every other chase movie (it even ends up near a waterfall).Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del Toro are good in there teacher and student gone mad roles and offer up entertaining and realistic battle scenes. The movie goes in a cycle of Del Toro gets caught or found,but he manages to escape and out run the FBI and Jones. This is a two character piece,and it works well like that. Connie Nielsen is here,but she is not given nearly enough to do (although she looked damn cute).We see hints of each characters dimensions,but they are not explored any further than vague one liners. Del Toro has no background other than being a killing machine (seems to have family issues,loneliness,resentful,and what was up with the lady and her daughter?) and Jones is also a shallow character that could have been more interesting (also seemed lonely,bitter,desensitized).The knife fights and chases work and that's where the movie is supposed to succeed. Just don't look for any depth or amazing character studies in this quasi action hide and seek.

House of 1,000 Corpses 3/10 Ninety Minute Mess, Becomes Tediously Stupid
After three years, several distribution changes, and many go rounds through the MPAA, Rob Zombie's homage to horror movies has finally been released. What results is a mess of a movie, which has zero character development, no flow to the story, and absolutely no scares. The story is quite simple: four friends are traveling to one of their parent's homes, stopping along the way to many odd roadside attractions. Eventually they encounter Captain Spaulding's House of Monsters and Madmen (which also has gasoline and fried chicken). There they learn about the local legend of Doctor Satan. After leaving, they encounter a hitchhiker (Sheri Moon) who leads them to her home after some car trouble. The house turns out to be home to a family of serial killers and the house itself is a labyrinth of monsters and tortured souls. This is where the gore,scares, and mayhem should begin. I sat there for 90 minutes waiting for that, but it never came. This could have been made by a bunch of teenagers who know how to do a few cool tricks with a camera. There is no hero here, just about every scene makes absolutely no sense, and after a certain point the movie becomes tedious to sit through. The only redeeming qualities about the movie were Sheri Moon and Sid Haim's eccentric Captain Spaulding. They are both a hoot, but are only used sparingly. I know this was probably butchered by the MPAA, so maybe I'll give it another chance on DVD. But as it stands, Zombie's love letter to old school horror films is not in the upper echelon of the genre.

DevilMonkey

08-08-2003, 11:59 PM

I actually saw the Carrie Remake and it was good but WAY to long and it was really depressing but it didn't have that mega depressing ending like the original.

Lindsey

08-09-2003, 12:25 AM

I'll rent House of 1000 Corpses (As soon as I get back). I saw it in theatres, and I really did enjoy it. The one scene that sticks out in my memory is the long pause in the gun scene. Pure brilliance! :)

A.J. Hakari

08-09-2003, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by ColinM
This is the one I'm really looking forward to seeing...

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Thanks for the reminder, Colin. I've been interested in this flick too, and it's now been added to my Netflix queue. Sounds interesting indeed. :cool:

Mike

08-09-2003, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Sad man
The only DVD I care about is for the hilarious WILL & GRACE. Actually it should be called JACK & KAREN, because Will and Grace suck and are not funny. :D

Although I love Jack and Karen (especially Karen) and think they are HILARIOUS, I must say, Grace can be pretty fucking funny. Will is the one of the four that is the least goofy, which is fine, because you can't have ALL of the characters be really goofy and crazy, it just wouldn't work that way. Grace is cool damn it, not to mention pretty fucking hot! ;) Will does have funny moments too. I don't think any of them suck! They all are very cool and come together to make one awesome show. Rosario is cool too ;).

Mike

08-09-2003, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by RickySlade
Why wouldn't u want to see it on VHS?

Because the quality of VHS sucks! I never used to mind before until DVD's came out and showed me what I had been missing, now I'm spoiled and don't like to rent movies on VHS, especially older ones, because then the picture usually REALLY sucks.

Cyclonus

08-09-2003, 03:28 AM

House of 1000 Corpses -- fuck yeah
The Lizzie Maguire Movie -- needs to be subjected to a chainsaw
Head of State -- maybe
The Hunted -- maybe
Cradle 2 the Grave -- nope
Carrie remake -- seen it on TV and it blew

sarah1980

08-09-2003, 03:32 AM

Nothing of my interest I still want the $14.00 bucks back from waste money on that piece of shit movie called House Of 1000 Corpses!!!

badberry

08-09-2003, 04:47 PM

Wow... nothing of interest at all really...

Head of State looks really stupid and I'm not a big Chris Rock fan. Pass.

1000 Corpses will most likely suck, but maybe I'll check it out just to see how gory it really is.

I don't know what the deal is Lizzie McGuire, and I guess I'll never find out, cuz I'm not watching this.

The Hunted looks ok....nothing that really grabs me. Maybe rent if me and my friends are bored or something.

Cradle 2 the Grave I saw in theaters....and it sucked. Hard. Actually, it was so bad, that it was kinda good (We laughed a lot watching this, and spent a couple hours making fun of it after)

Will & Grace has had some funny moments, but generally just sucks. I find all the characters annoying rather than funny, ESPECIALLY Jack and Karen. And the show constantly uses the same jokes, which usually come down to, "We're gay! Ha Ha!"

Originally posted by Mike
In fact, if I had to choose, I could kill a person much easier than I could an animal.

That's fucked up, I gotta say.

EDsoulsurvive*

08-09-2003, 05:03 PM

I can't wait to see House of 1000 Corpses. However, all I've heard was how horrible it was. IMO, this movie looks like one trippy, disturbing, and scary piece of work.

My little sis is buyin The Lizzie McGuire Movie so I'll check that out too.

And on Will & Grace, I think this show is pretty good. Karen is the shit!!!

Freeway

08-09-2003, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by badberry
That's fucked up, I gotta say.

It most definitely is since killing a person is only something a sick person would think about or even consider. Plus, killing an animal, which he says that he couldn't do, carries a relatively minor penalty, with the perp not always even getting jail time. Killing a person could lead to life in prison or, possibly even death by way of lethal injection.

Nate6

08-09-2003, 11:29 PM

Honestly, nothing there interests me. What a crappy week.

OK, I may rent The Hunted. Maybe....

Sad man

08-10-2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Mike
Although I love Jack and Karen (especially Karen) and think they are HILARIOUS, I must say, Grace can be pretty fucking funny. Will is the one of the four that is the least goofy, which is fine, because you can't have ALL of the characters be really goofy and crazy, it just wouldn't work that way. Grace is cool damn it, not to mention pretty fucking hot! ;) Will does have funny moments too. I don't think any of them suck! They all are very cool and come together to make one awesome show. Rosario is cool too ;).

You're right, they don't suck, at all but I was trying to show how much I love Jack and Karen. Rosario is hilarious too! And it's true what you say, it wouldn't work without Will and Grace being less goofy and crazy, you need 'normal' people in the show.
God I love this show! I'm gonna buy the DVDs for sure.

Sad man

08-10-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by badberry
That's fucked up, I gotta say.

Why? I'd much prefer to kill a person than an animal. Humans suck.

RickySlade

08-10-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Sad man
Why? I'd much prefer to kill a person than an animal. Humans suck.

Hmmm stepping on ant, or shooting someone. Gee, which one would you choose?

movies35

08-10-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Sad man
Why? I'd much prefer to kill a person than an animal. Humans suck.

Yeah, sorry guys I gotta agree with Sad Man and Mike. I wouldn't ever kill an animal or a human. But if I really had to choose, I would kill a human because I know their personalities, and some really don't deserve to be alive. Where as an animal you don't really know them so you can't honestly judge them. And yes, I am being 100% true.

RickySlade

08-10-2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by movies35
Yeah, sorry guys I gotta agree with Sad Man and Mike. I wouldn't ever kill an animal or a human. But if I really had to choose, I would kill a human because I know their personalities, and some really don't deserve to be alive. Where as an animal you don't really know them so you can't honestly judge them. And yes, I am being 100% true.

O.K., so "Mister Twister" has called u an ASSHEAD today. What if you had the chance to kill Mister Twister, would you? I mean how could you say that you would kill a himan because some don't deserve to be alive? In this situation my jaw has dropped. Animal Cruelty is something FAR less servere then killing a human being. Plus, I can't believe ANY human would say that some people deserve to not be alive.

movies35

08-10-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by RickySlade
O.K., so "Mister Twister" has called u an ASSHEAD today. What if you had the chance to kill Mister Twister, would you? I mean how could you say that you would kill a himan because some don't deserve to be alive? In this situation my jaw has dropped. Animal Cruelty is something FAR less servere then killing a human being. Plus, I can't believe ANY human would say that some people deserve to not be alive.

You know what, I'm seriously not going to answer that question, because it's really for PMs and not for the boards. But if say someone stabbed you or something, I doubt you'd want them alive. Or how about someone like Osama Bid Laddan, does he deserve to be alive?

scace

08-10-2003, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Sad man
Horrible week! Horrible! Just horrible!

The only DVD I care about is for the hilarious WILL & GRACE. Actually it should be called JACK & KAREN, because Will and Grace suck and are not funny. :D

I saw House of 1,000 Corpses (5/10 or C) a few weeks ago and I didn't like it. It started good but it went downhill so very fast, the last 20 minutes are boring and make no sense. Stupid and predictable movie.

I don't care at all about the rest!

H of a 1K Corpses gives new meaning to a film with "no redeeming social value at all" worse movie I've seen in since Ed Gein!

Horror whore

08-10-2003, 08:36 PM

DevilMonkey

08-10-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Horror whore
Okay, so if someone put a 3 month old puppy and a 3 month old baby in front of you and said "Kill one or you will be killed" you'd kill the baby?!??!

Damn was going to say something so similir!

PorcheRacer

08-10-2003, 08:48 PM

I find it disturbing that some of you would rather kill an a PERSON before an animal. People have FAMILIES for Christ sakes and you don't go to jail for LIFE for killing an animal.

Back on topic, I'm renting House Of 1000 Corpses Tuesday or Wednesday. I hope I like it since alot of people seem to think it's terrible.

Mike

08-10-2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by badberry
That's fucked up, I gotta say.

Originally posted by Freeway
It most definitely is since killing a person is only something a sick person would think about or even consider. Plus, killing an animal, which he says that he couldn't do, carries a relatively minor penalty, with the perp not always even getting jail time. Killing a person could lead to life in prison or, possibly even death by way of lethal injection.

Then I guess I'm fucked up, and you know what? I like it, I really really do. It makes me feel good. And yes, I'm being 100% serious. I could care less about the jail time. And like Movies35 said, some people don't deserve to live. If they are a horrible, despicable person, then it can be considered their punishment for being that way. A lot of you guys have no problem with someone getting killed by electric chair, lethal injection, etc... So I don't think this is much different, especially if the person is a bad person, an awful awful piece of trash that is a disgrace to the human race. If I had to kill an animal, I'd take as long as a sentence as I had to, because I'd deserve it, I couldn't live with having killed an innocent animal. In fact, I'd hope for the electric chair, because living afterwards would be much more painful. It's funny what you guys consider "fucked up," since I myself find anyone that could kill a helpless animal fucked up, majorly fucked up.

Originally posted by Horror whore
Okay, so if someone put a 3 month old puppy and a 3 month old baby in front of you and said "Kill one or you will be killed" you'd kill the baby?!??!

I wouldn't kill either, I'd easily kill myself without hesitation, or I'd let them kill me. There's no way I would choose.

-Thanks Sad Man and Movies35, it's nice to see you guys agree with me and there's actually some other good people out there that actually give a shit about animals. Animals can't speak for themselves, it's up for us to speak for them. I'm glad some actually see that and don't just think about themselves. I can't believe there's so many people that could actually kill an animal and live with themselves afterwards. Some people are truly sick! ;)

Nate6

08-10-2003, 09:08 PM

"Thread overboard! Thread overboard!"

For the record, I think killing is wrong, in cases of both animals and humans. But if I had to choose to kill one, I'd pick an animal. Most only live to be a few years old anyway. But I think we, as humans, don't have the right to take the life of any other creature, no matter how much evil they do. We're all humans, no one's higher up than anyone else.

The movies being released this week blow! Blow!

RickySlade

08-10-2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Mike
Then I guess I'm fucked up, and you know what? I like it, I really really do. It makes me feel good. And yes, I'm being 100% serious. I could care less about the jail time. And like Movies35 said, some people don't deserve to live. If they are a horrible, despicable person, then it can be considered their punishment for being that way. A lot of you guys have no problem with someone getting killed by electric chair, lethal injection, etc... So I don't think this is much different, especially if the person is a bad person, an awful awful piece of trash that is a disgrace to the human race. If I had to kill an animal, I'd take as long as a sentence as I had to, because I'd deserve it, I couldn't live with having killed an innocent animal. In fact, I'd hope for the electric chair, because living afterwards would be much more painful. It's funny what you guys consider "fucked up," since I myself find anyone that could kill a helpless animal fucked up, majorly fucked up.

I wouldn't kill either, I'd easily kill myself without hesitation, or I'd let them kill me. There's no way I would choose.

-Thanks Sad Man and Movies35, it's nice to see you guys agree with me and there's actually some other good people out there that actually give a shit about animals. Animals can't speak for themselves, it's up for us to speak for them. I'm glad some actually see that and don't just think about themselves. I can't believe there's so many people that could actually kill an animal and live with themselves afterwards. Some people are truly sick! ;)

Wait a fucking second. You say some people are truley sick because they would kill an animal, but it's not sick to kill a human. What if a bear is mauling you you won't kill it. Or a dog is biting one of your relatives, you wound't strike it? But say a murderer, is just standing in the middle of the street. You would kill it? Now, I do not care about being banned right about now because I'm sticking to my ethics and beliefs here by saying.....WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Sad man

08-10-2003, 09:33 PM

Mike

08-10-2003, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by RickySlade
Wait a fucking second. You say some people are truley sick because they would kill an animal, but it's not sick to kill a human. What if a bear is mauling you you won't kill it. Or a dog is biting one of your relatives, you wound't strike it? But say a murderer, is just standing in the middle of the street. You would kill it? Now, I do not care about being banned right about now because I'm sticking to my ethics and beliefs here by saying.....WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Obviously, if there was a bear attacking me and I could defend myself, I would. I didn't say I wouldn't kill an animal that was trying to kill me. And if the dog is just biting one of my relatives, but not viciously doing it and not hard enough to seriously hurt them, then no, I wouldn't kill it. But if it was psychotic and going Cujo on them then I'd probably do something about it if I could. Unless it was a relative I hated that were complete assholes to everyone, then I'm not sure if I would stop the dog or not. And yes, I would definitely kill the murderer in the street, unless they had a good reason for doing what they did.

It's really sad how some (most) "people" just use animals. It's pretty pathetic! When they are done with them they just toss them away like trash. I find that to be despicable. Look at all they do for us. A lot of them save lives and would do anything for their owners, but their owners could care less about them and only worry about saving their own ass. A lot of animals are MUCH better than most of the trashy human beings out there. Just like if a cow can't milk anymore, the owner usually sends it off to be butchered. That's just fucking wrong. It's not the cows fault that it can't milk anymore. I would find it really funny if the tables were turned and animals did to us what most of us do to them. I doubt we'd like it very much at all, but oh well, it wouldn't matter, because we'd just be helpless little animals that couldn't talk or do anything about the situation we were in. A lot of us treat animals just AWFUL. There's not even many REAL animal lovers out there, just a bunch of posers that say they love animals but don't care what happens to them as long as they don't have to see it happen. A real animal lover would do pretty much anything for their pets, including die for them, and I would gladly do it for mine, or any other helpless animal.

Plus, Nate, animals will live for more than a couple of years, unless, like people, they get sick, shot, hit by a vehicle, or killed in some other way. A lot of them aren't given the chance to live long because they don't have owners that care about them. Most wouldn't even pay a bunch of money for them to have surgery done if they needed it and would rather just have them put to sleep since it would save a bunch of money :rolleyes:. Not me!!! I'd pay any fucking price for my dog, ANYTHING. I'd rather be poor for the rest of my life than kill my pet, a pet who never did anything but love me. A lot of people just take them for granted though, and I think a lot of people deserve to be punished for that alone. Some people die right away when they are born, or shortly after, or at a few years old. So the same thing can be said for people. If animals are given the chance to live longer, they can live awhile, but most aren't lucky enough to be given the chance.

Nate6

08-10-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Mike
Plus, Nate, animals will live for more than a couple of years, unless, like people, they get sick, shot, hit by a vehicle, or killed in some other way. A lot of them aren't given the chance to live long because they don't have owners that care about them. Most wouldn't even pay a bunch of money for them to have surgery done if they needed it and would rather just have them put to sleep since it would save a bunch of money :rolleyes:. Not me!!! I'd pay any fucking price for my dog, ANYTHING. I'd rather be poor for the rest of my life than kill my pet, a pet who never did anything but love me. A lot of people just take them for granted though, and I think a lot of people deserve to be punished for that alone. Some people die right away when they are born, or shortly after, or at a few years old. So the same thing can be said for people. If animals are given the chance to live longer, they can live awhile, but most aren't lucky enough to be given the chance.

Oh boo-hoo. I love dogs (I have three), I'd never do anything to hurt them, but I would put them to sleep if worse came to worse. Operations can be tough on pets. I'd rather kill my dog then force him to live the rest of his life in pain. Sorry.

Mike

08-10-2003, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Nate6
Oh boo-hoo. I love dogs (I have three), I'd never do anything to hurt them, but I would put them to sleep if worse came to worse. Operations can be tough on pets. I'd rather kill my dog then force him to live the rest of his life in pain. Sorry.

Ok, then I guess if a person needs surgery, they should just be killed instead. I mean, what's the point in trying to save their life? :rolleyes:

Nate6

08-10-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Mike
Ok, then I guess if a person needs surgery, they should just be killed instead. I mean, what's the point in trying to save their life? :rolleyes:

Mike, you're totally going off-base here. I'm talking about forcing the dog to live his whole life in pain just for your own satisfaction. Dogs AREN'T humans. If they're in pain, chances are all they'll want is to be out of pain. If killing them is the only way to relieve the pain, so be it. It's SELFISH of us to keep animals alive just because you THINK you're doing the right thing.

Sad man

08-10-2003, 10:16 PM

Fisting Ackbar

08-10-2003, 10:16 PM

http://members.lycos.nl/anonymousjohn/deadhorse.gif

Way to go with going off-topic

Mike

08-10-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Nate6
Mike, you're totally going off-base here. I'm talking about forcing the dog to live his whole life in pain just for your own satisfaction. Dogs AREN'T humans. If they're in pain, chances are all they'll want is to be out of pain. If killing them is the only way to relieve the pain, so be it. It's SELFISH of us to keep animals alive just because you THINK you're doing the right thing.

Obviously if there was nothing you could really do and they were going to be miserable, then yeah, of course I'd probably put them to sleep, even if it would be a hard hard hard thing to do. But I'm talking about if there's some surgery that CAN be done and will make them better but costs a shitload of money, that's what I was talking about. And I WOULD pay the money without thinking twice. And if I didn't have as much as it would take, I'd do whatever I had to do to get the money. I'd take out a loan, get a credit card and charge it the hell up, become a gigolo, ANYTHING to get the money so they could live. I WON'T kill an animal that doesn't HAVE to be killed.

RickySlade

08-10-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Mike
Obviously if there was nothing you could really do and they were going to be miserable, then yeah, of course I'd probably put them to sleep, even if it would be a hard hard hard thing to do. But I'm talking about if there's some surgery that CAN be done and will make them better but costs a shitload of money, that's what I was talking about. And I WOULD pay the money without thinking twice. And if I didn't have as much as it would take, I'd do whatever I had to do to get the money. I'd take out a loan, get a credit card and charge it the hell up, become a gigolo, ANYTHING to get the money so they could live. I WON'T kill an animal that doesn't HAVE to be killed.

Can I ask, are you a vegetarian?

movies35

08-10-2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by RickySlade
Can I ask, are you a vegetarian?

Can I ask you a question? Who are you asking all the questions? You're starting to get really sick, and really rude. I'm sorry, I guess I kinda started this, so I'm finishing it. Please just drop it.

movies35

08-10-2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by RickySlade
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

And why do you keep asking that? You keep asking people that today, including me, and it comes off very rude. JoBlo.com doesn't need people like that in their forums.

Mike

08-10-2003, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by RickySlade
Hmmm stepping on ant, or shooting someone. Gee, which one would you choose?

I don't know if I should even answer this question, since the answer is rather obvious. But since you can't see that it is, I will tell you. I would choose stepping on the fucking ant! Stepping on ants can't exactly be prevented, I wasn't talking about ants. Of course I'd step on an ant instead of kill someone. :rolleyes:

RickySlade

08-10-2003, 11:05 PM

I could kill a person much easier than I could an animal.

Thats your quote. I'm done with this.

Sad man

08-10-2003, 11:08 PM

Please, stop. Back to the DVD talk!

Mike

08-10-2003, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by RickySlade
I could kill a person much easier than I could an animal.

Are ants REALLY animals though? Most people don't consider them animals. Insects are kind of classified by themselves, not really with animals. And even if some consider them animals, you know what I meant before when I said I could kill a person easier than an animal. I meant real animals, not an insect. And it's not even like I could kill either, I'm just saying if I HAD to, it would be a little easier for me to kill a person, since I'm an animal lover, not a people lover (at least not of most anyway).

Freeway

08-10-2003, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by movies35
And why do you keep asking that? You keep asking people that today, including me, and it comes off very rude. JoBlo.com doesn't need people like that in their forums.

Since I was gone today I feel that I have to get something in on what became a rather large topic about killing. It's simple fact that killing a person is much more serious and it takes a sick person to do so while people have failed to realize that many animals will end up being killed whether you do it yourself or not. What do you think that is in that whopper anyway? Hello? People have also unfairly jumped all over Slade, who is far from the sick one here. Mike made much more despicable comments than he did and yet movies stuck up for him for no fucking reason. It doesn't take much to realize that what he said is really sick and twisted. movies, it's people like you that aren't needed on these boards, people like RickySlade stick up for what they believe in and do it rightly so and also don't make twisted comments about how they find it easier to kill a person than an animal. If I had to kill an animal or a person to live of course I'd choose the animal. It's common sense that even the healthiest animal won't live as long as the average person.

I commend those like Nate6 and RickySlade who have much more common sense than others around here.

Sad man

08-10-2003, 11:33 PM

I'm gonna shut my mouth...

This thread should be closed if it keeps going like this.

Mike

08-10-2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Freeway
Since I was gone today I feel that I have to get something in on what became a rather large topic about killing. It's simple fact that killing a person is much more serious and it takes a sick person to do so while people have failed to realize that many animals will end up being killed whether you do it yourself or not. What do you think that is in that whopper anyway? Hello? People have also unfairly jumped all over Slade, who is far from the sick one here. Mike made much more despicable comments than he did and yet movies stuck up for him for no fucking reason. It doesn't take much to realize that what he said is really sick and twisted. movies, it's people like you that aren't needed on these boards, people like RickySlade stick up for what they believe in and do it rightly so and also don't make twisted comments about how they find it easier to kill a person than an animal. If I had to kill an animal or a person to live of course I'd choose the animal. It's common sense that even the healthiest animal won't live as long as the average person.

I commend those like Nate6 and RickySlade who have much more common sense than others around here.

And I, Sad Man, and Movies35 were just sticking up for what WE believe in, and WE shouldn't get shit for it either. It's our opinion, and no, I don't think you are right FOR SURE, it might be your opinion, but it doesn't mean that I or anyone else is sick and twisted because it would be harder to kill an animal. You might think it takes a very sick person to kill a person, but I think it takes a VERY sick person to kill an animal. You say animals will most likely get killed anyway, but don't they deserve the chance to live? The same could be said about people, because A LOT of them will get killed anyway.

Who deserves to live more: Someone who is going to be a complete asshole to everyone and only think of themselves their whole life and never do anything that is going to help anyone? Someone that will maybe even end up killing someone? Or a dog that will go on to save AT LEAST one life? Maybe that of a helpless child that would die without the help of the dog? Who deserves to live more?

Hannibal21

08-10-2003, 11:44 PM

*I try not to even be a part of this discussion, it should definitely be closed if it keeps going on and on like this*

It seems like a pretty crappy week with not so many good choices, I might check out The Hunted and Cradle 2 the Grave, the others I'm boycotting.

Mike

08-10-2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Sad man
I'm gonna shut my mouth...

This thread should be closed if it keeps going like this.

Yes, I agree... Let's just end this conversation now and go back on topic. It all started just because I said I couldn't stand to see animals get killed in movies/shows, etc... WOW did it go WAY off topic... But I have my opinion and others have their opinion, nothing said is going to change what anyone thinks about it, and while it doesn't hurt to have a debate sometimes, no opinions will ultimately be changed and there's really no point other than to state your opinion. But let's get back to talking about this weeks new movies! Otherwise, if that can't happen, then the thread may as well get closed.

Freeway

08-10-2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Mike
And I, Sad Man, and Movies35 were just sticking up for what WE believe in, and WE shouldn't get shit for it either. It's our opinion, and no, I don't think you are right FOR SURE, it might be your opinion, but it doesn't mean that I or anyone else is sick and twisted because it would be harder to kill an animal. You might think it takes a very sick person to kill a person, but I think it takes a VERY sick person to kill an animal. You say animals will most likely get killed anyway, but don't they deserve the chance to live? The same could be said about people, because A LOT of them will get killed anyway.

Who deserves to live more: Someone who is going to be a complete asshole to everyone and only think of themselves their whole life and never do anything that is going to help anyone? Someone that will maybe even end up killing someone? Or a dog that will go on to save AT LEAST one life? Maybe that of a helpless child that would die without the help of the dog? Who deserves to live more?

You don't realize that your opinion is very sick and the way a serial killer would probably think. Oh, this person might die anyway so I think that I'll just kill them. And you forget that there are people that kill animals because they work at a slaughterhouse as a way to earn a living. People also hunt. You're saying that every hunter is a sick person because they shot a deer for example. Come on! On your last comment, don't you think that you are reaching quite a bit on that dog saving a life story? People, who you'd prefer to kill, save more lives every single day than animals. From cops, firefighters, the list goes on and on. :rolleyes:

badberry

08-10-2003, 11:50 PM

Holy shit this thread has gone to hell in a handbasket since I last checked. (And mostly because of my response to Mike it seems...)

Anyways, I feel I have to comment here.

Anyone who says that killing a person is better than killing an animal is WRONG. I'm sorry, but I got so angry reading some of the comments on here that I'm not even sure I should be replying to this for fear of being banned. But whatever. Some people in this thread have some serious issues.....I bet they are vegan PETA members who would love nothing more than to see humans wiped off the face of the earth in favour of cows or whatever.....

People are top of the food chain. If you can't accept that, too bad. We kill animals to eat. That's just the way of nature. Animal lovers are so hypocritical in that they only want to see the cute, loveable animals saved. Mike said that he doesn't consider ants "real" animals. How are they any less than a cow, pig or dog? Because they're smaller? How much sense does that make? Whether or not you believe humans have a 'soul' you can't deny that humans are far more self aware and intelligent than any animal out there. Ending that kind of existence is far worse a crime than killing a cow to provide beef. No question.

I'd say more, but I'm too pissed off so I won't. Fuck it.

By the way, we put our dog down a couple months ago. He had cancer in his throat and it was painful for him to even eat. I'd much rather end his suffering in a peaceful way than see him go through surgerys and medicines just to keep him alive. He lived 12 good years, we looked after him well, and theres no point keeping him around for our sake. I personally think we did him a favour.

Anyways, methinks this thread will be closed soon, which is too bad.....

Mike

08-10-2003, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Adam J. Hakari
Actually, Mike, I recommend THE HUNTED. It's an unflashy thriller that features intense close-quarter battles instead of huge explosions and such. Solid suspense and moody acting all around. You probably will think it's a little cheesy, but not as much as you'd think. Give it a chance when it reaches the old release shelves, at least. :cool:

Hmm, I might do that if you insist. But if I don't like it, I know where to find ya ;). I'd recommend you something to rent if I rent The Hunted, but the problem is that you've already seen almost everything. I could even recommend you the most godawful piece of crap ever made, and chances are, you'll have already seen it. ;) It's cool that you check out everything though, I wouldn't mind if I had the ability to force myself to do so. I have come a long way though in trying more movies out, even if they don't look the best.

Sad man

08-10-2003, 11:51 PM

Sad man

08-10-2003, 11:55 PM

I'm not sure about THE HUNTED. It looked horrible and I have no interest in seeing it. But maybe I will, Tommy Lee Jones is a good actor, as well as Benicio Del Toro, so I might rent it some day.

Freeway

08-10-2003, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Sad man
Why don't you please stop? I don't want this thread to be closed. So please drop that conversation and let's talk about the movies that will be released this week. Thanks.

I, like badberry, feel that it is important for me to state what I believe on the topic and you can't tell me otherwise.

Nate6

08-10-2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Sad man
I'm not sure about THE HUNTED. It looked horrible and I have no interest in seeing it. But maybe I will, Tommy Lee Jones is a good actor, as well as Benicio Del Toro, so I might rent it some day.

I'm kinda thinking that too. I said before that I may rent it, but I'm not really sure anymore. Probably will eventually, though...

Sad man

08-11-2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Freeway
I, like badberry, feel that it is important for me to state what I believe on the topic and you can't tell me otherwise.

Ok, now that you did I hope we can get back to topic.

Sad man

08-11-2003, 12:12 AM

Hey Adam, do you thin I'll like The Hunted?

Mike

08-11-2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Freeway
You don't realize that your opinion is very sick and the way a serial killer would probably think. Oh, this person might die anyway so I think that I'll just kill them. And you forget that there are people that kill animals because they work at a slaughterhouse as a way to earn a living. People also hunt. You're saying that every hunter is a sick person because they shot a deer for example. Come on! On your last comment, don't you think that you are reaching quite a bit on that dog saving a life story? People, who you'd prefer to kill, save more lives every single day than animals. From cops, firefighters, the list goes on and on. :rolleyes:

It's really interesting that a serial killer would think the same way as a normal human being. I've never killed anyone, and HIGHLY doubt I ever will. But I also will never kill an animal. And a person doesn't have to work at a slaughterhouse to earn a living, they have many other choices. Unless they are uneducated and can't get a normal job, but even so, they could still work somewhere else where you don't have to be smart. I could care less about the money, I would NEVER work at a slaughterhouse, I actually have morals and I couldn't live with myself, unlike those people. And I wasn't talking about a firefighter, cop, etc... I was talking about someone who is just taking up space and contributing nothing, vs. a dog that would go on to save a life. I'm not talking about ALL dogs, since some don't have to be put in that position, but I'm talking about one dog that is guaranteed to save a life?

Originally posted by badberry
Anyone who says that killing a person is better than killing an animal is WRONG.

People are top of the food chain. If you can't accept that, too bad. We kill animals to eat. That's just the way of nature. Animal lovers are so hypocritical in that they only want to see the cute, loveable animals saved. Mike said that he doesn't consider ants "real" animals. How are they any less than a cow, pig or dog? Because they're smaller? How much sense does that make? Whether or not you believe humans have a 'soul' you can't deny that humans are far more self aware and intelligent than any animal out there. Ending that kind of existence is far worse a crime than killing a cow to provide beef. No question.

I don't think people who say what I said are WRONG, it's a matter of opinion. And screw that "top of the food chain" bullshit, people have a choice, they don't HAVE to eat meat, they don't NEED it to live. We were provided with all kinds of natural things to eat and don't HAVE to kill animals to eat. There's so many foods that aren't of the meat variety. Even Pizza doesn't have to have meat, and you know what? It's still damn good. And also, I wouldn't say humans are more intelligent than animals. It's not a proven fact or anything, I actually think a lot of animals are smarter than the average human. I don't think that we need to end any existence, human or animal, I just think we should learn to co-exist.

As for the ant thing, I've already said what I thought. I'm not saying to just go around and kill ants for fun, but if I had to choose, I'd kill the ant over the person. I don't think of them as a real animal, they are insects. They are something that will be killed by getting stepped on and stuff, it can't be stopped. I highly doubt anyone is going to go walking around stepping on cats, dogs, cows, etc..., unless it's godzilla.

Anyway, you guys stated your opinion, I stated mine. Can we please just end this already?