THIRTEEN

[Mike]

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Premise:

This is the story of a 13-year-old girl, Tracy (Wood), and her experience of growing up in Los Angeles in an environment where pressures surround her, encouraging her to grow up too fast, leading her down a road of drugs, sex, materialism, and reckless teenage abandon and rebellion. Central to the story is Tracy's friend, Evie (Reed), whose wild influence has a peer pressure effect on A-student "good girl" Tracy. (Hunter plays Tracy's mother.)

Genre: Drama

Genre Note: (12/9/02) There is also at least one lesbian scene in this film, so it may ultimately count as being a "gay" movie as well.

MPAA Rating: R (for drug use, self-destructive violence, language and sexuality - all involving young teens)

Release Date: August 20th, 2003 (LA/NY) (that's a Wednesday); expands to other cities at later dates

World Premiere: January, 2003 (Sundance Film Festival, in dramatic competition)

Awards: Best Dramatic Director (2003 Sundance Film Festival)

Distributor: Fox Searchlight Pictures

Production Company: Venice Surf Club

Cast: Evan Rachel Wood (Tracy), Nikki Reed (Evie), Holly Hunter (Melanie), Sarah Clarke, Brady Corbet (Mason), Kip Pardue (Luke), Jeremy Sisto (Brady), Deborah Unger (Brooke), Yasmine Delawari (Ms. Flores), Charles Duckworth (Javi), Ulysses Estrada (Rafa), Cynthia Ettinger (Cynthia), Vanessa Anne Hudgens (Noel), Tessa Ludwick (Yumi), Frank Merino (De Leon), D.W. Moffett (Travis), Brandy Rainey (Yvette), Jasmine Salim (Kayla), Jenicka Carey Small (Astrid), Jamison Yang (Mr. Lee)

Director: Catherine Hardwicke (feature debut; she's previously most known as the production designer of dozens of movies, including Three Kings, Vanilla Sky and Tombstone)

Screenwriter: Catherine Hardwicke, Nikki Reed (feature debuts)

Screenwriter Note: (12/9/02) Screenwriter Nikki Reed, who also costars in the film, was born in 1988, which makes her 14 as of this writing, but she was 13 when she wrote this screenplay with family friend Catherine Hardwicke as a way of coping with the stresses of her own experience. Nikki's father is art designer Seth Reed, whose filmography includes Envy and Minority Report.

Based Upon: This film is reportedly loosely based upon Nikki Reed's own experiences, and those of other teenagers she knows. Cowriter Catherine Hardwicke gave "Variety" an excellent quote about the 12-month period this film is based upon: "She is a dynamic kid who was an overachiever when she was a good girl and overachieved when she was a bad girl."

Age Note: (12/9/02) During filming, Evan Rachel Wood and Nikki Reed were actually one year older (14) than the age (13) of the characters they were playing. In a business where people in their late 20s regularly play teenagers, it's refreshing to see such close matches.





This has been one of my most anticipated films of the summer. Evan Rachel Wood is a great young actress, she's very talented, and is a huge part of why I have such faith in this film. I have a feeling she will be getting a lot of praise for her role. Even though she's young, I would love it if she got some award nominations for this. So far, the buzz has been excellent. Sure, the plot sounds like an after school special, but it sounds much edgier and smarter.

I really hope this goes wide enough for me to be able to see it in theaters. I'm DYING to see it.


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[Fisting Ackbar]

The fact that they actually have 13- and 14 year olds playing their ages, makes it a little more interesting and realistic. Might see it at some point in time.

[bob]

Anyone who's seen the trailer will avoid this like the plague.

[Horror whore]

Definitely not my type of movie so I'll pass.

[Mike]

Originally posted by bob
Anyone who's seen the trailer will avoid this like the plague.

Actually, so far you're the first I've heard of not liking the trailer. I haven't seen it yet, but based on what everyone else has said about it and the fact that I think the movie sounds great, I'm sure I'll probably like the trailer too.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

i think this movie sounds awesome! I doubt i'm gunna get to c tyhis in theaters but I will dfefinitley rent when it hits video.

[movies35]

Originally posted by bob
Anyone who's seen the trailer will avoid this like the plague.

Boy bob, I really do not agree with you there. I thought the trailer was great, and (imo) it might be the best movie of the year, since this year has been mostly shit anyways.

[badberry]

Just watched the trailer and wasn't all that impressed. For a movie that seems to be trying to be realistic, it doesn't look like it is, but rather cheesy and over-the-top. How many 13 year olds are really that messed up? Eating disorders, drugs, sex, suicide attempts, criminal activity...all at once? Seems like its just trying to be as shocking and 'moving' as possible. Plus a screenplay written by a 14 year old, with a first time director? I dunno...

Also, I'd like to point out its 3.4 rating on imdb...

Maybe a rental.

[Mike]

This is from Moviefone:

Girl Interrupted: 'Thirteen' Captures the Traumatic Cost of Teenage Popularity

This film may be difficult to watch, but it's too important to ignore. Director Catherine Hardwicke's Sundance darling follows young Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood) as she enters junior high, where she quickly discovers that the stuffed animals and ankle socks of elementary school now make her an in-crowd pariah. To reclaim her cool-kid standing, she decides to impress Evie, "the hottest girl in school" (played by co-writer Nikki Reed), a 13-year-old who sells drugs and oozes premature sexuality. Under Evie's tutelage, Tracy goes from pigtailed innocent to hardcore girl-gone-wild in only a matter of months. Suddenly, Tracy lies, cheats, steals, snorts, cuts and refuses to eat.

Meanwhile, Tracy's loving single mother Melanie (Holly Hunter, in a role sure to earn award nominations) powerlessly witnesses the shocking transformation. The sensitive older brother (earnestly portrayed by Brady Corbet) recoils at his "new" sister, while their clueless father is so wrapped up in his new family to be of any help. Ultimately, things fall apart and the mother and daughter are left to deal with the damage done.

Hardwicke's direction emphasizes the gritty reality of Tracy's teenage depravity. The camerawork is frenetic, underscoring the dizzying pace of Tracy's moral decline. Hardwicke and Reed's script leaves no subject too taboo to tackle and no typical Hollywood ending to sugarcoat the physical and emotional scars Tracy will bear. Thirteen is terrifying, but it's also the awful truth -- beautifully captured and perfectly performed.

-- Sandie Angulo Chen



SNAPSHOTS

Release Date: August 20

Cast: Holly Hunter, Evan Rachel Wood, Nikki Reed, Jeremy Sisto

Director: Catherine Hardwicke

Screenwriter: Catherine Hardwicke & Nikki Reed

Distributor: Fox Searchlight


REEL DEAL

The Buzz: "'Thirteen' could turn out to be the kind of youth-movie explosion that galvanizes teens and terrifies their parents." — Owen Gleiberman, Entertainment Weekly

Signature Moment: When Melanie discovers the full extent of Tracy's transgressions, the pair engage in the most heart-wrenching, tightly wound, powerful hug between an on-screen mother and daughter.

Who This Will Make Famous: Undoubtedly, 15-year-old screenwriter Nikki Reed will get props for her portrayal of Evie, the wickedly manipulative and misguided middle-schooler. But the movie belongs to former 'Once and Again' star Evan Rachel Wood, whose on-screen metamorphosis is haunting
and award-worthy.

Teenage Wasteland: Unlike most canned teen movies, the stars of 'Thirteen' are actually teens. In fact, none of the main teens was born before 1987

Production Note: Hardwicke wrote the script with Reed, the then 13-year-old daughter of a former-boyfriend, after reading one of Reed's short stories about the cliques in her school.

Auteur Testimonial: "It's hard to take. We've seen men crying in the audience."
— Catherine Hardwicke



SOUNDS FUCKING GREAT TO ME!

[Horror whore]

They showed a bunch of clips of the movie on E! News Live last night and while they did look better than I thought they would, I'm still not interested in the movie... It all seems to "Lifetime-ish" to me...

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Horror whore
It all seems to "Lifetime-ish" to me...

Do you really think so? I'd have to disagree. While this film doesn't look like anything special to me, I would never describe any of the marketing materials as "Lifetime"-ish.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
It all seems to "Lifetime-ish" to me...

While the plot might sound like something you'd see on Lifetime, I doubt the movie is anything like the ones they air. There's no way this one would make it on Lifetime. I'm sure this will be much more realisitc and raw than some TV movie of the week.


And how the hell did I miss this? They showed clips on E! today? Damn it, I could kick my ass right now. I wish I would have known. Will they air it again?

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by Mike

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As if the horrible plot wasn't enough to keep me away from this movie, this hideous picture just sealed the deal. Brrrrr....scary picture.

I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I really don't see any kind of entertainment value in watching a couple of thirteen year olds engaged in sex and drugs. The fact that the actors in this were teenagers themselves makes it even worse.

[bob]

Originally posted by movies35
Boy bob, I really do not agree with you there. I thought the trailer was great, and (imo) it might be the best movie of the year, since this year has been mostly shit anyways.

Well, the film is really kind of a "split the audience down the middle" type thing. I can see how (maybe) someone would find the trailer engaging and such, but I felt like vomiting the whole time. I mean, I'm a teenager (not a girl, but a teenager), I go to school in the city, and I have never, ever seen any teens like the ones in this flick. To me, it seems like the filmmakers tried too hard to get it to be "real" and ended up making it ludicrously fake.

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
As if the horrible plot wasn't enough to keep me away from this movie, this hideous picture just sealed the deal. Brrrrr....scary picture.

I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I really don't see any kind of entertainment value in watching a couple of thirteen year olds engaged in sex and drugs. The fact that the actors in this were teenagers themselves makes it even worse.

Believe me Bro Im 17 and the thought of a bunch of fuckin 8th graders doin drugs and having sex isn't somethin I'd like to partake in viewing....This is prolly why I watch movies from the 40's and 50's now instead of catchin crap like this.

[Scarface98.9]

I can see how people would probably think the movie looks extremely engaging and such, but this all looks like a pre-teen Rules of Attraction, or a slightly younger Kids. I knew people somewhat like those portrayed, but showing young kids doing wretched things like those on screen just oozes pretention, or in Larry Clark-vein, simply just there to shock the audience

[Mike]

Here's a review I found from the Hollywood Reporter:

Jan. 21, 2003

thirteen

By Duane Byrge
PARK CITY -- "Thirteen" could be a lucky film as a back-to-school fall release. Based on its searing look at junior high life, it's a seventh-grade "Less Than Zero." Playing in the Dramatic Competition here at Sundance, it's a chilling look at a pair of contemporary Valley girls -- 13-year-olds who are way beyond their years but also are nearly beyond repair.

Based on San Fernando Valley teenager Nikki Reed's personal experiences as a seventh grader, a driven teen who rose at 4:30 a.m. to set her hair and prepare for the day of the girl vs. girl daily grind, "Thirteen" entertainingly depicts the overpowering tribal pressures that modern-day teens face in this era of absentee or dysfunctional parents.

In this unnerving glimpse into the downward spiral of two young girls' lives, filmmaker Catherine Hardwicke has distilled with Reed -- they co-wrote the script -- the grim underside of the glamour girls who flaunt their piercings and their teen sexuality. Narratively, "Thirteen" is an updated Valley-ized spin on the "outsiders" genre. It focuses on Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood), a seemingly well-adjusted teen whose penchant for poetry as well as scholastic gifts has attracted her teachers' attention. But Tracy yearns for larger status: She sees herself as a dull geek and dreams of being like the "hot" girls. Almost overnight, Tracy revamps her wardrobe and brazenly cultivates the good graces of the hottest girl in school, Evie (Nikki Reed), whose sultry looks, sassy charms and snotty allure are beyond cool.

Soon, Tracy is slinking in low-rise jeans, hoochie tops and assorted rings and piercings. She's crashed the hottie club and sneaking off to Melrose Avenue to shoplift, cavort and generally rebel. Her acting out is not just a desire to be cool but also a direct emotional assault on her single-parent mother (Holly Hunter). Her actions in part stem from her mom's co-dependent relationship with a "loser" boyfriend out of rehab (Jeremy Sisto) as well as her spacy mismanagement of the day-to-day household.

While today's audiences are perhaps inured to dysfunctional family life via the so-called comedic entertainment of reality shows, "Thirteen" is an engaging, sympathetic portrait of junior high girls who have grown up too fast and way too little. Without being preachy, it's also a cogent, terrifying tale of the lack of supervision many teens face and the utter inability of many parents to not only raise kids but also to direct their own lives. It is compelling largely because of the talented cast, most prominently Wood as the good girl with a self-destructive bent and Reed as her manipulative mentor. Hunter is touching as a rattled mother whose life revolves around AA meetings, while Sisto is credible as a recovering addict whose loser life belies the depth of his manhood.



And here's another review:


THIRTEEN

Rating: ***1/2 of *****
Director: Catherine Hardwicke
Producers: Jeffrey Levy-Hinte, Michael London
Writers: Catherine Hardwicke, Nikki Reed
Director of Photography: Elliot Davis
Cast: Evan Rachel Wood, Nikki Reed, Holly Hunter, Jeremy Sisto
Visit the IMDB page for full cast and crew


More 2003 LA Film Festival reviews.

Review by: Warren Curry
6/14/03

On the surface, Catherine Hardwicke's Thirteen shares more than a bit in common with the films of Larry Clark (Kids, Bully). The depiction of apparently ordinary teenagers (and very young teens in this case) engaging in all sorts of alarming behavior -- from drug use to sexual experimentation to various forms of sadism and masochism -- would seemingly stamp these movies with the tag of exploitation. With Clark's films, the description applies -- but the filmmaker is a master of such sensational and visceral storytelling that he can get it away with it and then some. Thirteen, on the other hand, isn't a movie that's content just to shine a light on this behavior and then let the viewer make of it what they will. There's a discernible philosophical platform from where Hardwicke tells this tale.

Set in suburban Los Angeles, 13-year-old Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood) has just entered middle school, and of paramount importance to her in this new phase of life is, predictably, being popular. Tracy's the traditional "good girl," but she learns from day one in her new environment that this image will leave you at the bottom of the social pile. Evie (Nikki Reed) is the reigning "hottest girl in school," and it doesn't take Tracy long to figure out that aligning herself with the girl can only help in her quest to be among the school's social elite.

Being accepted by Evie and her circle is not just a matter of wearing the right clothes or having the correct hairstyle. Evie is a drug user/dealer, a thief, and an aggressively controlling, manipulative person -- to be Evie's friend you have to talk the talk and walk the walk. Tracy undergoes a total personality/image makeover, devolving from every parent's dream child to a beyond disruptive presence in her family. Her single mother, Mel (Holly Hunter), a recovering alcoholic, runs a home hair salon to (just barely) pay the bills, and while she tries her best, is totally incapable of handling Tracy. She gets no help from her ex-husband whose new job always has him on the go, and her current boyfriend, Brady (Jeremy Sisto), also has drug abuse problems in his past, and is treated with utter contempt by Tracy. Tracy and Evie become destructively inseparable, as Mel even allows Evie to move in with them for a short time.

Despite all of the chaotic elements, there's a clear moral center to this film. At its heart, Thirteen is an examination, not only of the natural dangers of growing up dangerously impressionable (difficult not to relate to), but of the ever-changing dynamic of the parent/child relationship in a time where we're firmly steeped in the single-parent family. There's an undeniably titillating element to the very frank rendering of Tracy and Evie's over-the-edge conduct, and it would be very convenient to dismiss this film as one that's main goal is to shock, if it weren't for the comprehensiveness and tenderness with which Hardwicke handles Tracy and Mel's relationship.

Anchored by a phenomenal (to say nothing of brave) performance by Evan Rachel Wood (Little Secrets, Simone) and the typically stellar Holly Hunter, the tragic disintegration of the mother/daughter bond is by far the aspect of Thirteen which resonates most deeply. While it would have been easy, and understandable given the character sketch, to just make Mel an absentee parent, the woman is constructed as exactly the opposite. Mel wishes to be heavily involved in her daughter's life, but is at a loss as to how to authoritatively respond as Tracy gradually spirals downward. Mel's love for her daughter is blind, and when the obvious signs of her daughter's corruption begin to mount, she refuses to wholly acknowledge them. There are too many demons in her own life that Mel will most likely always be struggling to overcome.

A veteran production designer on such films as Vanilla Sky and Three Kings, Hardwicke's visual style is bold, predominantly using a hand-held camera punctuated with splashes of desaturation. There are times when the film, with its foot-to-the-floor pace, threatens to burst at the seams, but the well-drawn characters written by both Hardwicke and star Nikki Reed (who penned the script when she was only 13) have depth and feel organic. It's revealing to see that while Evie and Tracy aspire so intensely to be older than their age, occasionally their actions are a dead giveaway for their youth. Wood's angelic, innocent face ideally represents the perfect clay for the somewhat harder looking Reed to mold.

Thirteen is a strong directorial debut for Catherine Hardwicke. It's a work that at first glance seems to rely solely on appearances, but a look beneath the surface clearly exposes the film's genuine substance.

(Screened at the 2003 Los Angeles Film Festival)

(A Fox Searchlight release. Opens in August 2003.)


And here's three more:


THIRTEEN

***
Starring Holly Hunter, Evan Rachel Wood, Nikki Reed, Jeremy Sisto, Brady Corbet, Deborah Kara Unger and Kip Pardue.

Directed by Catherine Hardwicke.
Written by Catherine Hardwicke and Nikki Reed.
Produced by Jeff Levy-Hinte and Michael London.
A Fox Searchlight release. Drama. Not yet rated. Running time: 100 min.

Thirteen -- that in-between age when, to quote the age group’s perhaps most popular singer, “I’m not a girl, not yet a woman.” It’s a confusing time of transition, in which cutesy socks, stuffed animals and Barbie dolls are eschewed for the trappings of what is perceived as adulthood: belly shirts, low-slung blue jeans exposing thong underwear, piercings. Girls this age may look and play-act like grown women, but they’re still little girls, their actions dictated by raging hormones and unruly emotions as they scream hysterically at the slightest provocation. Troubling dalliances into shoplifting and petty theft lead to more alarming experiments with drugs, sex, cutting. At least, that is, in writer/director Catherine Hardwicke’s “thirteen,” in which the clincher is when the main character Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood) is informed by her teacher that she will have to repeat seventh grade, not because of the harshness of the news but because the audience, in that moment, is reminded that Tracy is in seventh grade.

It’s a schizophrenic debut that inspires conflicted reactions. If it’s meant to shock, it does. That it’s co-written by then-13-year-old co-star Nikki Reed is even more disturbing -- these incidents on film don’t emanate solely from the experience of an adult but also from a girl that age. But more troubling is if the film is meant to be representative of the teenage experience in America today.
Hardwicke borrows liberally from a grab-bag of visual tricks--including handheld camerawork, a grainy picture, zooms in and out, fast motion and quick cuts--for a stylized look that emulates the hyper state-of-mind of the film’s subjects, but the effects sometimes feel forced, as though calculatingly choreographed for an MTV audience.

Likewise, one of the major behavior patterns depicted in the film is manipulation, as Tracy pressures her mother Melanie (Holly Hunter) to take in her best friend Evie (Reed) with horror stories about domestic abuse. One suspects that Evie is lying to Melanie to get her way, and, appropriately, laughs at this juvenile strategy. The problem is, it’s never clear that she is lying, and so is the humor unintended?

What salvages the film is the performances. Wood is frighteningly convincing as the hysterical main character, and Reed is seductive as her guide to the dark side. But it’s Hunter who earns Sundance’s Tribute to Independent Vision accolade this year as a single mom at a loss as to what to do with a daughter spiraling out of control. She is at once taken aback at the radical changes taking place before her eyes but mutely accepting in a desperate attempt to remain her child’s best friend; she opens her heart and home to Evie, but only to a point, in the end sacrificing Evie to save Tracy. And ultimately the film does not glamorize the girls’ wild lifestyle nor provide pat answers, instead closing on a note of mother-daughter intimacy and hope.-Annlee Ellingson


THIRTEEN

Reviewed by: Harvey S. Karten
Grade: B
Fox Searchlight Pictures
Directed by: Catherine Hardwicke
Written by: Catherine Harwicke, Nikki Reed
Cast: Evan Rachel Wood, Nikki Reed, Holly Hunter, Brady
Corbett, Jeremy Sisto, Kip Pardue, Deborah Unger, Sarah
Clarke
Screened at: Preview 9, NYC, 8/6/03

So Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to run for governor of
California after all. He'll have his hands full. Imagine taking
authority over a whole state when, if invited into the Valley home
of Melanie (Holly Hunter) and her 13-year-old daughter Tracy
(Evan Rachel Wood), he'd go out of his mind in a matter of
hours trying to govern just one teenager! A stronger person
than Arnold is needed for this awesome feat, and the girl's
mother simply is not that person.

In her directing and screenwriting debut, Catherine Hardwicke
worked with the film's co-star, Nikki Reed, who co-write the
script based on her own experience as a thirteen year old. This
time, though, Reed performs in the role of Evie, the adolescent
who helped lead Tracy down the path of righteousness into a
hell of sex, drugs, and rap.

As Evie, Nikki Reed has no problem gaining influence over
her disciple given the absence of strong supervision by her
caring, but confused mother who is too busy going to AA
meetings and cavorting with her formerly addicted boy friend
(Jeremy Sisto), who is just out of rehab. For his part, the
boyfriend can scarcely fill the shoes of Melanie's ex-husband,
who is too busy running a business to give proper attention to
his daughter or even take advantage of visitation rights.

"Thirteen" is a no-holds-barred film that may have been
inspired by Larry Clark's even more ferocious 1995 film
"Kids," likewise a cinema verite-style depiction of teens on the
loose, hedonistic and devoid of proper parental supervision.
Clark, however, is so graphic that he's been appropriately
accused of exploitation. By contrast, "Thirteen" looks every bit
believable.

Everybody knows that adolescents, for all their energy, are
going through a difficult time experiencing lows as frequently as
they are ecstatic. What's remarkable here is how suddenly
Tracy undergoes a transformation from being a good, seventh-
grade student able to write poetry but shunned by the hot crowd
in her junior high to a hottie herself, a girl who befriends Evie,
the hottest (and therefore the coolest) student in the school.
Influenced in part by the plethora of sexy billboard ads for
perfume, underwear and the like pushing the idea that the right
clothes can bring you the American Dream, Tracy is further
induced to belong to the smart set in her school when she joins
Evie on a shopping spree, shucking her girl-next-door threads
for navel-exposing tights with money gained from purse-
snatching and goods from shoplifting. Convinced by Evie that
homework should center on how to kiss and then some, Tracy
takes up with some of the fast guys in the school, smokes,
scores coke, ignores schoolwork, curses her frazzled mom, and
indulges paradoxically in masochistic behavior, making incisions
in her arm with a pair of scissors. She gets her tongue and
navel pierced and ringed, acting out from a desire to get back at
her ineffective mother as much as to be with the fast kids in
seventh grade.

We didn't need "Thirteen" to wake us up to the dysfunctional
family trend. We knew that mommies and daddies were not all
like the Beavers even since Aeschylus informed with his
"Agamemnon" some 2500 years ago. But director Catherine
Hardwicke never portrays Tracy as a lost cause. We
sympathize with her, a young innocent being brought down by a
more sophisticated albeit malevolent mentor, and want to
believe that once Evie gets out of her life, she will do an about-
face. Cinematically, though, the 16mm camera should break its
amphetamine habit. Elliot Davis's lens is so jumpy it appears to
have been mentored by Daniel Myrick's in "The Blair Witch
Project," and should have occasionally settled down now and
then to a few minutes of peace and contemplation.

Rated R. 95 minutes.(c) 2003 by Harvey Karten at
Harveycritic@cs.com



Thirteen

Starring:Holly Hunter, Evan Rachel Wood

Drama | Rated R | 2003

THE ROLLING STONE REVIEW


Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood) is just a simple Valley girl with a dream of being cool. She lives with her single mom (Holly Hunter), an at-home hairdresser, and wastes her time studying for seventh grade until she meets motherless Evie (Nikki Reed), also thirteen, who defines cool for Tracy. That means hoochie tops, body piercings, shoplifting, drugs, bad boys, oral sex, lap dances and a three-way that Evie tries to negotiate with Tracy and a twentyish hunk (Kip Pardue). Every parent's nightmare about how girls go wrong is packed into this movie and onto Hunter's frazzled face as she watches her daughter deteriorate. The whole thing would stink of phony moralizing if Catherine Hardwicke, who won the directing prize at Sundance 2003, didn't pack it with such raw vitality. Reed is strikingly good as Evie. She should be: She was thirteen when she wrote the semi-autobiographical script with Hardwicke, who used to date Reed's divorced dad. But the revelation is Wood, 15, formerly of TV's Once and Again, who makes Tracy's transformation harrowing and haunting. She's a live wire. Brace yourself for Thirteen -- it'll cause a commotion.

PETER TRAVERS (August 7, 2003)

[Judge_Smails]

I'm of two minds on this one. It does sort of look like an R-rated Lifetime movie or Afterschool Special to me, but I am still very interested in how the material was executed.

As far as film critics are concerned, so many of them seem to jump on the "Sundance bandwagon" that it's hard for me to care what they say. Just because a movie is dark or depressing doesn't make it good or real. Fox Searchlight has become the new Miramax... they pick these movies up, then spend tens of millions of dollars jamming them down everyone's throats. I prefer to discover these things for myself, not to be force-fed about how brilliant their movie is.

I think there have been several good films this year about the perils of growing up too fast. SWEET SIXTEEN and BETTER LUCK TOMORROW came out earlier, and THIRTEEN looks like it will have it's moments with Nikki Reed and Evan Rachel Wood. But as far as "teen girls in trouble" goes, I'm still more looking forward to HOME ROOM with Erika Christensen and Busy Philipps in September.

[MadsenOMC]

I strongly disagree that Fox Searchlight is the new Miramax. I'd say that isn't even close to the truth. I haven't liked all of their movies, but they have a remarkable track record and they do not buy everything in sight and then dump them or forget about them the way Miramax does. Miramax is also closer to a major studio than anything else these days. Fox Searchlight is not. The movies they pick up and produce have tiny to small or modest budgets. I think the biggest budget for something they made is only about $15 million. As for Thirteen, I have yet to hear or read anything bad about it. David Poland, who is pretty reliable, said you will not see a female performance this year better than Holly Hunter's. Looks outstanding to me. And with all of the worthless garbage out there that attempts to depict teen life and only succeeds in portraying it as exactly what it isn't, something that mirrors reality is welcome.

[bob]

Why are you all convinced this mirrors reality? Maybe I live life in the slow lane, but people don't just start doing drugs and disobeying their parents and getting pierced and having sex just because they meet the popular girl in school. This isn't a teenager's life. It's what the filmmakers think life is like for a teenager. And, although the screenplay was co-written by one of the teens, I still think this project reeks of glorified bad girl crap.

[MadsenOMC]

Maybe some people live in a fantasy world where teen girls all act like they do in The Princess Diaries or What a Girl Wants. But I have two younger sisters, and the fact of the matter is girls this age are drinking and dressing provocatively and having sex. Check out the statistics for teen girls getting pregnant. Or getting STDs. One of my sisters is close to the age of the girls in this movie. She dresses like they do and just got caught drinking by the cops. This stuff is happening every day all over America. I'm surprised that people wouldn't be aware of that.

[Judge_Smails]

It's intersesting that you bring up statistics, because all the recent data I've read shows that teenage drug use and pregnancy are in consistent decline over the last decade. At the same time, the number of teens who claim to be abstaining from sex has never been higher.

I would agree with the notion that the "bad girl" lifestyle just happens to be one that filmmakers seem to gravitate to... not necessarily one that represents society at large. It probably makes for a more interesting movie than depicting the hum-drum teenage years my own sister lived.

Re: Fox Searchlight. What I meant to say is that they now fill the void Miramax once held many years ago... not that they have replaced Miramax in the current marketplace. You're right, they have not. What Miramax does to films is borderline unforgivable IMHO.

[MadsenOMC]

You're right, teen pregnancy and drug use may be going down. But to act like it's nonexistent or a construct of the movies is ridiculous. And I am more fond of realism in cinema. When I was in my early teens, most kids were drinking and having sex. Not many that I knew did drugs though. But they certainly did around age 16 or 17. So I would rather see something like Thirteen, which appears to dive head first into prevalent issues many people are uncomfortable with or in denial about. Have you walked around a mall lately? Check out the way 12-14 year old girls dress. It's unbelievable. Parents are either ignoring it or approve of it. Or they are totally uninvolved in their kids lives. And to me that's what Holly Hunter's character represents. A good parent who maybe didn't pay as much attention as she should. Hence her line, "I didn't know how far (it was going)." And now I'm contradicting myself, but statistics don't tell the whole story and are not always reliable either.

[Annie Hall]

Personally, I think the flick could either be excellent or INCREDIBLY stupid.

I know people on both ends of the spectrum, those who have managed to not go crazy and those who've been getting high and having sex since they were 11 years old. If the performances are good, and the script doesn't get too preachy, I think the flick has a chance of really saying something. Maybe Sweet Sixteen has me too hopeful for a good movie about being a teenager, but, if it is along the same vein...I really think it could do something good.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by badberry
Just watched the trailer and wasn't all that impressed. For a movie that seems to be trying to be realistic, it doesn't look like it is, but rather cheesy and over-the-top. How many 13 year olds are really that messed up? Eating disorders, drugs, sex, suicide attempts, criminal activity...all at once? Seems like its just trying to be as shocking and 'moving' as possible. Plus a screenplay written by a 14 year old, with a first time director? I dunno...

I agree completely. Cramming those all into one movie feels like turning an entire season of Degrassi into one excruciatingly long film.

[MadsenOMC]

You've got a point about having too many issues in one film. I didn't see it, but I heard that was a big problem with How to Deal. Biting off more than it could chew. That is possible here as well. But I think a lot of 13 year olds deal with eating disorders and sex. Even a little criminal activity, especially shoplifting. Drugs I'm not so sure about. But do we know that the two leads do drugs? or are they just exposed to them because of who they hang out with? That wouldn't be unusual. The trailer makes me think the filmmakers pulled it off, all of the different issues. I definitely prefer something like Thirteen to mainstream efforts like How to Deal or What a Girl Wants. So maybe it's just a matter of taste.

[optimus1]

I hate to say it but this is not so far fetched , I watched my neighbor's child go from a plain looking 11 year old tomboy who was never in trouble to a pot smoking , coke using 13-14 year old sexpot who is constantly in trouble , has the belly ring , and now looks 18 or 19. Once she left the middle school , the new friends she met really had a huge influence on her life and she is now a terror , always in trouble in school , cutting classes , running away from home etc..I thought I was smart but never in a million years did I ever think that this would happen to this particular girl. I am still amazed by it , as for the movie , even though I bet its well done , it would be too depressing for me to sit through that.

[bob]

Alright, setting aside all the stuff about whether it's realistic or not, I have a question for anyone who saw the trailer:

Did the point you realized the movie looked good/bad come before or after (or during) the "No bra, no panties" line? For me, that line pushed me over the top. It might have been what's-her-name's delivery, but that was just horrible.

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

So much for "escapism"

Yay! Let's sit in a theater for two hours and watch a movie that just reminds us how utterly stupid some kids are. No thanks. I'm not trying to avoid reality, but movies to me are an escape from everyday life; a time to have fun. I see girls like the ones in the movie at the mall, at work, on the news, etc, and I don't need to be reminded about how jaded a small segment of society has become. Nor do I need to be forced to feel any sort of emotion ( other than reproach ) for these ingrates.

If you enjoy almost every negative aspect of being a teenager wound in a neat little package shoved into your face while chowing down your popcorn... Hey great! I can also appreciate a certain message the film-makers are intergrating into this work, but it's just not my cup of tea.

[jmcpher_007]

Originally posted by bob
Alright, setting aside all the stuff about whether it's realistic or not, I have a question for anyone who saw the trailer:

Did the point you realized the movie looked good/bad come before or after (or during) the "No bra, no panties" line? For me, that line pushed me over the top. It might have been what's-her-name's delivery, but that was just horrible.

Form what I've seen from the trailer, the film looks fairly good. That particular line did not stand out to me as over the top.

[MadsenOMC]

It doesn't look to me like anyone in this movie is an ingrate or stupid. You could say some of the same things about, say, American Beauty. Why would I want to watch some movie that just reminds me how much people hate their lives? But I don't know anyone that feels that way about it. And rightfully so. You would be missing an excellent movie that really isn't about how much people hate their lives. There's certainly nothing wrong with escapism, and we all have our own taste. But I'd rather fold my socks for two-and-a-half hours than sit through Bad Boys II again. Movies like that are what depress me and make me lose faith in humanity. Not movies like Thirteen.

[Mike]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I strongly disagree that Fox Searchlight is the new Miramax. I'd say that isn't even close to the truth. I haven't liked all of their movies, but they have a remarkable track record and they do not buy everything in sight and then dump them or forget about them the way Miramax does. Miramax is also closer to a major studio than anything else these days. Fox Searchlight is not. The movies they pick up and produce have tiny to small or modest budgets. I think the biggest budget for something they made is only about $15 million. As for Thirteen, I have yet to hear or read anything bad about it. David Poland, who is pretty reliable, said you will not see a female performance this year better than Holly Hunter's. Looks outstanding to me. And with all of the worthless garbage out there that attempts to depict teen life and only succeeds in portraying it as exactly what it isn't, something that mirrors reality is welcome.


THANK YOU for saying it so I didn't have to say the exact same thing, which wouldn't have sounded nearly as good or perfect as it did coming from you. I don't think you and I have agreed THIS strongly on something in awhile. Fox Searchlight is in no way the new Miramax, and in no way do they shove their movies down our throats. Do you see their movies winning a bunch of Oscars and being nominated for everything like a lot of the Miramax movies? NO! Don't think so. And if marketing your movie and giving it TV spots is considered shoving a movie down people's throats, then I guess EVERY mainstream movie can be accused of the same damn thing. The Good Girl was a nice little success for them last summer, grossing a very good $14 Million at the Box Office, which is excellent for a little indie film, that before opening, I thought might only make 3 Million. I have no idea why someone would think they shove their movies down people's throats, but when you have a movie, you market it, that's what you do. You don't just release it, not letting anyone know about it, and expect it to be seen. Without marketing, it wouldn't make diddly squat.

[Mike]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
It doesn't look to me like anyone in this movie is an ingrate or stupid. You could say some of the same things about, say, American Beauty. Why would I want to watch some movie that just reminds me how much people hate their lives? But I don't know anyone that feels that way about it. And rightfully so. You would be missing an excellent movie that really isn't about how much people hate their lives. There's certainly nothing wrong with escapism, and we all have our own taste. But I'd rather fold my socks for two-and-a-half hours than sit through Bad Boys II again. Movies like that are what depress me and make me lose faith in humanity. Not movies like Thirteen.

DAMN! I've agreed so much with all of your responses that to save time from quoting them all, I'll just say I agreed with everything. AMERICAN BEAUTY was a GREAT GREAT film about people that hated their lives. And also, it seems a lot of great movies are about miserable people or people that hate their lives. I don't know why, but maybe it's because it's actually realistic and people can relate. I know that's why I like a lot of them. And THIRTEEN looks very realistic to me. Maybe if you go to Sweet Valley High or your experience with junior high comes from reruns of Saved By The Bell you don't see this stuff happening, but it's happening a lot and all over the place. I don't see how someone could say it's unrealstic and the statistics say bla, bla, bla... No offense, but I don't know how someone could deny this is actually going on. Hell, I don't even live in a big city, and I see this stuff going on all of the time around here, even with kids that live in the country, in fact, especially with kids that live in the country. It seems all they do is party, do drugs, have sex, etc... Kids are doing stuff at much younger ages, and you'd be surprised at how many have had sex by the time they were 11, which isn't even including blow jobs, hand jobs, etc... I prefer realistic movies. Sure, movies that are "fun" are nice, but most of the truly great films are the ones that a person can relate to, one where the characters seem real and you were/are/or know someone who is like them. And for the people that think "why should I feel sorry for these ingrates?" Because under different circumstances, it could be you. You might not think so, but it could be. You could be all perfect and a good student too, but then fall in with the wrong crowd and give into peer pressure, because you want to fit in. While I don't really condone this kind of behavior, it can't be hard for some to fall into it if given the chance, and it's not right to despise them because of it.


And yes, How To Deal did try and address WAY too many issues in it and did a really piss poor job of it. THIRTEEN looks like a MUCH better and more serious film, one that can actually handle the issues it presents itself with. And believe it or not, a lot of teens deal with a bunch of these issues at one time. Just because you yourself don't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to others.


I watched Ebert & Roeper last night and they both loved it. Ebert said it's sure to be on his top 10 list at the end of the year.

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
But I'd rather fold my socks for two-and-a-half hours than sit through Bad Boys II again.

Ouch Baby! Very Ouch! :)

But seriously dude, no need for the personal attack. After all, I did say that it wasn't my cup o' tea!

[MadsenOMC]

That wasn't a personal attack. Just an example. I'm not trying to convince everyone to see this movie. Some people like serious flicks and some prefer escapism. That's all well and good. I'm only trying to convince people of Thirteen's legitimacy. Some think it's far-fecthed or that the characters look like stupid ingrates or that it looks like a Lifetime movie. I only wish to counter those viewpoints.

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
That wasn't a personal attack. Just an example. I'm not trying to convince everyone to see this movie. Some people like serious flicks and some prefer escapism. That's all well and good. I'm only trying to convince people of Thirteen's legitimacy. Some think it's far-fecthed or that the characters look like stupid ingrates or that it looks like a Lifetime movie. I only wish to counter those viewpoints.

Oh okay. Still not my cup o' tea though :)

[RickySlade]

First Larry Clark, now Catharine Hardwick? Why is everyone facsinated with teen lifestyles and their sexual lifestyles?

I'll most likely be staying away from this.

[MadsenOMC]

Movies dealing with teenage sexuality aren't exactly being made every day. Especially serious ones, as opposed to your American Pies. And I don't think Thirteen has much in common with a Larry Clark movie. I don't think it's even about teen sexuality. An issue raised, yes. But not what it's about.

[badberry]

Well my sister is 14 and if she ever started acting like this, there'd be some ass kicking going on...


If the reviews are good enough for this, I may check out on DVD. But i dunno.

[Annie Hall]

Originally posted by RickySlade
Why is everyone facsinated with teen lifestyles and their sexual lifestyles?


Why is everyone fascinated by the mob and crime? We have enough of those movies to watch for the rest of our lives. Why is everyone so interested in seeing J. Lo and Ben Affleck get down in movie after movie after movie (gobble gobble)?

There have been very few non-explotive, serious films about teenagers and what happens when this sort of shit goes awry. And many times in the world, it does. Personally, if it's well done, I think this movie has the potential to be great.

[Slim]

When I first saw the trailer, I wasn't impressed at all. Perhaps it was because it seemed like a simple girl-gone-bad flick or something along those lines. Then today, I see James Berardinelli give this movie a 3 1/2 stars rating out of four. A critic whom I respect. This is making me reconsider dismissing this movie all together. Apparently, it belongs alongside Lukas Moodysson's Show Me Love (Fucking Amal).

Film Review by James Berardinelli (http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/t/thirteen.html)

[Mike]

If anyone is in the Houston area and would like tickets to a screening of THIRTEEN, you can check this out: http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=1155

DAMN, why can't I live in Houston? :( ;)

[FeverDog420]

I saw Thirteen tonight, and let me be the Schmoe to break it to y'alls: There's no teenage sex in this movie. Well, not really; there's a lot of making out, sex talk and false bragging, but this ain't Kids. The only nudity in the film comes from Holly Hunter.

And it's not chock-full of drug-taking, either. A few scenes of smoking pot and sniffing aerosol, but nothing hard.

And enough about "it's too important to ignore." Whoa, teens shoplift, make out, pierce their navels and hang out in the park at night! Whodathunk? Really, the only "shocking" moments are a scene or two of self-abuse, which failed to be properly integrated into the storyline.

I can see the comparisons to Kids, but the relationship between the two girls reminded me more of Heavenly Creatures, down to their parents separating them when things get too intense between them.

Praise the acting (Hunter is her usual excellent self), 'cause that's all to admire here. The cinematography is muted, the camera work consists of a lot of artsy dutch angles, characterization is underdeveloped, and the movie ends inconclusively. A pretty shoddy indie film that aims for art and a social meaning, but, honestly, there's nothing here you haven't seen before.

6/10

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
I saw Thirteen tonight, and let me be the Schmoe to break it to y'alls: There's no teenage sex in this movie. Well, not really; there's a lot of making out, sex talk and false bragging, but this ain't Kids. The only nudity in the film comes from Holly Hunter.

And it's not chock-full of drug-taking, either. A few scenes of smoking pot and sniffing aerosol, but nothing hard.

And enough about "it's too important to ignore." Whoa, teens shoplift, make out, pierce their navels and hang out in the park at night! Whodathunk? Really, the only "shocking" moments are a scene or two of self-abuse, which failed to be properly integrated into the storyline.

I can see the comparisons to Kids, but the relationship between the two girls reminded me more of Heavenly Creatures, down to their parents separating them when things get too intense between them.

Praise the acting (Hunter is her usual excellent self), 'cause that's all to admire here. The cinematography is muted, the camera work consists of a lot of artsy dutch angles, characterization is underdeveloped, and the movie ends inconclusively. A pretty shoddy indie film that aims for art and a social meaning, but, honestly, there's nothing here you haven't seen before.

6/10

Nice review FeverDog.

It sounds to me like it trys to be shocking but doesn't have the balls to actually be shocking. I'll most likely skip this one.

[MadsenOMC]

From IMDB:

Opening in limited release today (Wednesday), director Catherine Hardwicke's first feature, Thirteen, is receiving widespread applause from critics. Gene Seymour in Newsday says that Hardwicke's "hyper-realistic visual strategy ... gives her gritty cautionary tale of contemporary adolescence the oozing texture of a waking nightmare that just gets worse and worse." Jami Bernard in the New York Daily News describes the movie, which features Nikki Reed, who also co-wrote the script with Hardwicke, Evan Rachel Wood, and Holly Hunter, as "one of the most honest and harrowing depictions of female adolescence ever put to film." Megan Lehman in the New York Post observes that Thirteen "rises above dysfunctional-family-drama clichés, thanks to the truthfulness of its script and the keen eye of a sympathetic director." But Elvis Mitchell in the New York Times says that the film "flutters above the fine line between drama and exploitation." Nevertheless, he notes "movies about teenage girls, confused and rebellious with no focus, give young actresses opportunities to unleash their talents. And in the case of Thirteen, Evan Rachel Wood's claims our attention." The film receives a four-star review from Mike Clark in USA Today, who calls it "an actor's show" and says Wood's performance is "worthy of an Oscar nomination."

[Mike]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
It sounds to me like it trys to be shocking but doesn't have the balls to actually be shocking. I'll most likely skip this one.


I don't think it's trying to be "shocking," I think it's trying to be truthful. I will definitely take the words of the critics on this one. It has 17 FRESH and only 2 ROTTEN reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, for a whopping FRESH rating of 89%. Besides, you LOVED House Of 1000 Corpses, and all that "movie" did was TRY to be shocking, but just ended up being *forgive me for saying this* retarted. If you want to see a sleazy movie that couldn't be more obvious at it, then check out a Larry Clark flick. I can't stand that guy or his smutty flicks, but Thirteen doesn't sound like that's what it's trying to be at all. Of course, the plot does sound like a movie he would be interested doing, except he would change it so it was about teen guys that like to get naked and jerk eachother off all of the time. Thirteen doesn't seem like the kind of trash he does. I think this Thirteen will be a winner.

Here's some critic quotes:

"[T]his should be required viewing for anyone who’s a parent or even thinking about becoming a parent."
-- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER

"As an insightful critique of 'Girl Culture' and the mounting war over the hearts and minds of adolescent girls that's currently being waged in the media, it's mandatory viewing."
-- Ken Fox, TV GUIDE'S MOVIE GUIDE

"Unlike Daniel Myrick's 'Kids,' this one treats the rebellious teen sympathetically and credibly."
-- Harvey S. Karten, COMPUSERVE

"Thirteen is a high impact psychodrama about three lost souls desperately reaching out for life preservers in a sea of troubles."
-- Frederic and Mary Ann Brussat, SPIRITUALITY AND HEALTH

"The panic in the eyes of Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood), the barely teenage protagonist of Thirteen, will stay with you for a very long time."
-- Elvis Mitchell, NEW YORK TIMES

"Forget Freddy, forget Jason -- here's a pair of characters guaranteed to scare the pants off you."
-- E! ONLINE

"It's tough to recall the last such drama that packed as much emotional clout."
-- Mike Clark, USA TODAY

"A smart movie that does not simplify or candy-coat the rigors of the teenage years."
-- James Berardinelli, JAMES BERARDINELLI'S REELVIEWS

"One of the most honest and harrowing depictions of female adolescence ever put to film."
-- Jami Bernard, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


Mike Clark of USA Today says that Woods is deserving of an Oscar nomination. I've thought she would be all along. I remember saying something about it in the thread for the movie in the Upcoming Movies forum. She's a VERY talented young actress and I would love to see her get some recognition. I've known this girl had talent even when the only thing I had seen her on was ABC's Once & Again. That show is now canceled, but I've seen her in the family film Little Secrets, which was surprisingly EXCELLENT for a family movie. She gave a great little performance and carried the movie. She makes the movie. I think she'll be giving an even more impressive performance in Thirteen. Unfortunately, the movie probably won't make enough money at the Box Office to get it any Oscar attention, although I'm sure her performance will end up being one of the more deserving ones of the year, yet the Academy will end up nominating some performance that wasn't even that great instead, filling a spot she could have had. Plus, those bastards don't like to give out awards to the younger performers. They might give them a nomination if they're lucky, but they won't bother letting them win.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Mike
except he would change it so it was about teen guys that like to get naked and jerk eachother off all of the time.

Now that's a movie I'd watch, this isn't. ;)

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
Now that's a movie I'd watch, this isn't. ;)

Horror Whore, what you said is disgusting, offensive, and not very ladylike----I wouldn't have expected anything less from you :D. You and your dirty little mind ;):p.

[bob]

Originally posted by Mike
Besides, you LOVED House Of 1000 Corpses, and all that "movie" did was TRY to be shocking, but just ended up being *forgive me for saying this* retarted.

Which raises a dilemma: Is it more retarded to love House of 100 Corpses or misspell "retarded"?


;) Just joshing ya, Mike. Hope you get to see the flick soon, I'll be eager to hear your take on it (and not to mock you or anything, I actually want to hear some opposite opinions on this).

[AgentSmith]

I heard what Ebert had to say about it...

He called it one of the best films of the year... It will be on his top 10 list this year.... ****

[Mike]

Originally posted by bob
Which raises a dilemma: Is it more retarded to love House of 100 Corpses or misspell "retarded"?


;) Just joshing ya, Mike. Hope you get to see the flick soon, I'll be eager to hear your take on it (and not to mock you or anything, I actually want to hear some opposite opinions on this).


Oh shit, I'm such an idiot. I know how to spell retarded, yet I spelled it wrong. What is wrong with me? I can't believe I did that.

But, I didn't say it was retarded to love 1000 Corpses, I just said that, IMO anyway, the movie was retarded.

[XCoRyX]

gotta check this one out...hopefully it expands eventually and plays somewhere around here...im willing to travel for this flick...evan rachel wood is a hottie,and the film just looks pretty damn good.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I have a theory . There is a bigger market and fascination with girls gone bad , especially young ones , than boys gone bad . Some people may not admit it , but there is a greater sympathy , and maybe excitement to towards teen girls doing taboo things , than teen boys . Especially nice looking ones like in this film .To me this film sounds like a glorified ABC afterschool special with a little better acting and cussing , but i guess the critics have spoken and most people will think this film has some profound meaning or something , it 's nothing more than mainstream commerce disguised as rebellion and insight , a mere star vehicle for it's two young leads . Put two young boys in the lead instead , like in "LIE" and i doubt everyone would be creaming all over themselves about what a bold masterpiece this was . I don't know , this film seems like a bit of an in your face version of Urban Ghost Story , to a certain extent , but i haven't seen it , and i won't until it shows up at the video store .

[MadsenOMC]

Mainstream commerce disguised as rebellion and insight? Doubtful. That was How to Deal. And I don't agree with your theory either. What about this year's Better Luck Tomorrow? That is a movie about teenage boys gone bad, and it got a ton of press and buzz and a semi-wide release from Paramount and MTV Films. I don't think the theory holds up.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
I have a theory . There is a bigger market and fascination with girls gone bad , especially young ones , than boys gone bad . Some people may not admit it , but there is a greater sympathy , and maybe excitement to towards teen girls doing taboo things , than teen boys . Especially nice looking ones like in this film .To me this film sounds like a glorified ABC afterschool special with a little better acting and cussing , but i guess the critics have spoken and most people will think this film has some profound meaning or something , it 's nothing more than mainstream commerce disguised as rebellion and insight , a mere star vehicle for it's two young leads . Put two young boys in the lead instead , like in "LIE" and i doubt everyone would be creaming all over themselves about what a bold masterpiece this was . I don't know , this film seems like a bit of an in your face version of Urban Ghost Story , to a certain extent , but i haven't seen it , and i won't until it shows up at the video store .

I'm not surprised that you have a negative outlook on this movie. No offense, but it seems to me that you are negative about literally everything. I can't remember seeing you not being negative about a movie. However, I will agree, I personally would rather see a movie about teens girls doing bad things than teen guys, but I would still see the movie if it was about teen guys doing bad things. I don't think it's getting good reviews because it's about teen girls though, I think if this same exact movie was about boys and had as superb of acting, it would still get the good reviews. If the critics didn't feel it was a good movie, they wouldn't be giving it a good review just because it's about girls in trouble. It's getting the good reviews because they obviously feel it's a good movie. And didn't L.I.E. get good reviews too? And like Madsen already mentioned, so did Better Luck Tomorrow.

[Benny]

I've read the great revieiws for Thirteen (The NY Times loved it), and I've known many 13-year old girls like the ones in the film, so I must say that it looks pretty good and I want to see it.

[Mike]

THIRTEEN grossed a very nice $12,513 on Wednesday from only 2 theaters, which gives it a superb per-screen average of $6,256. This weekend it looks like it should see a per-screen average of at least $19,000. This means it will definitely expand some, but how well it performs with the more mainstream audiences as it's rolling out is what will determine how wide it goes. I just hope it goes wide enough to play around me. If Better Luck Tomorrow can get put in a good chunk of theaters (although they released this one way too wide too quick, which is why it failed to do anything when it added a shitload of theaters), then Thirteen should get that many too.

[XCoRyX]

thats great news on the per screen average and gross for wednesday of this flick,hopefully it sticks up with this good cash and such,I want to check this out big time.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Come on , the main reason most people want to see this is because they want to see two attractive sexpots strut around for 90 or so minutes , not for some deep meaningful insight .Yeah , people are going to see this for Holly Hunters perf , please , if the two chicks in this flick were overweight and ugly i doubt that much buzz would be swirling around this thing .




I can see how it's going to become chic to say you've seen and liked this film , especially since a bunch of critics think this is somehow original and groundbreaking and praising it all over , and saying you like it will make you seem socially responsible somehow or hip .


Check out Rain , Rosie , Rosetta , or UGS for your teen angst fix . At least those films weren't so obviously trying to appeal to the academy and the Britney Spears / Chris Aguilera demographic . They're not speaking to that generation of youngins , they're pandering to them .


I really hope this thing fades and fades fast , i can only hope , or else we just might get a sequel , oh please no , please no . I can see the action figures and playing cards being made already , oh wait we already have those , they're called Bratz .

[MadsenOMC]

Oh boy. It's clear you are way off on this one. I have not read one review that's called it groundbreaking or original. In fact, most point out that it's not. They simply state that it's a familiar story well told. Great writing and great acting. And it is definitely not trying to appeal to the Britney Spears demographic. Do you think they go to art house movies? Um, no, they stay far away from those. And there's no way there will be a sequel to this no matter how much money it makes (and I doubt it's going to set the box office on fire). I want to see this because the trailer grabs me and Holly Hunter is one of the best actresses alive and she doesn't act nearly enough. It has nothing to do with two "sexpots" strutting around. Sorry dude, but I don't dig minors. This movie is being praised for not pandering. I think you're way off here.

[Horror whore]

I saw a couple of little clips on E! News Live today and the acting looks pretty damn good in this one, but a movie needs to have more than great acting for me to want to see it. And the constant camera movement did make me nauseous very quickly....

[DevilMonkey]

I won't cheeck this out, not untill video at least.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Horror whore
And the constant camera movement did make me nauseous very quickly....

I agree. I've seen some very good movies, that were hurt by shoddy camera-work. I know this is an independent film, so I am not expecting world-changing, Conrad L. Hall-esque cinematography, but I do appreciate solid cinematography.

I wonder if this'll be hurt by the same thing that hurt Manic. First, comparisons are obviously drawn between the films. They're both indies about "lost" teens. Both are anchored by a semi-well-known supporting performer (Holly Hunter, here, and Don Cheadle there). Also both feature former T.V. teen stars (Evan R. Wood and Joseph Gordon-Levitt), and both featured shoddy camera-work, and, if I remember correctly, Manic didn't do to well, by limited release standards.

[MadsenOMC]

I must have seen a different trailer. I saw no sign of shoddy camerawork or poor cinematography. Plus, it's shot by Elliot Davis, a very experienced DP who shot Out of Sight, among many others. But you're right about Manic. I think it made about $20 in theaters.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by dh1989
I agree. I've seen some very good movies, that were hurt by shoddy camera-work. I know this is an independent film, so I am not expecting world-changing, Conrad L. Hall-esque cinematography, but I do appreciate solid cinematography.


I didn't really see anything wrong with the cinematography, well, maybe it was overly dark, but I think that was on purpose. It was just that in the clips I saw, the camera kept zooming in a little and zooming out a little and shaking ever so slightly, it got really old really quick and seemed quite pretentious. I definitely couldn't sit through that for 90 minutes...

[dh1989]

I didn't really see anything wrong with the cinematography, well, maybe it was overly dark, but I think that was on purpose. It was just that in the clips I saw, the camera kept zooming in a little and zooming out a little and shaking ever so slightly, it got really old really quick and seemed quite pretentious.

I feel like a non-movie buff right now, but, I must ask, doesn't the art of cinematography include the photography of a film. The definintion of cinematography ---

"The art or technique of movie photography, including both the shooting and development of the film."

So, wouldn't the words "bad cinematography" include the use of obscene angles, awful lighting, and the overuse of the zoom feature?

[MadsenOMC]

That sounds right, but what do you mean by obscene angles?

[dh1989]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
but what do you mean by obscene angles?

Revolting, disgusting, and ugly angles. I noticed the camera, a lot of time, was not straight, and it was plain awful. Tilts can work. It appears, here, they do not.

[MadsenOMC]

The camerawork in the trailer didn't bother me at all. But you could be right. However, in all the reviews I've read, both positive and negative, I haven't come across anyone mentioning really obnoxious camerawork or anything like that. I hope to find out soon.

[Mike]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Oh boy. It's clear you are way off on this one. I have not read one review that's called it groundbreaking or original. In fact, most point out that it's not. They simply state that it's a familiar story well told. Great writing and great acting. And it is definitely not trying to appeal to the Britney Spears demographic. Do you think they go to art house movies? Um, no, they stay far away from those. And there's no way there will be a sequel to this no matter how much money it makes (and I doubt it's going to set the box office on fire). I want to see this because the trailer grabs me and Holly Hunter is one of the best actresses alive and she doesn't act nearly enough. It has nothing to do with two "sexpots" strutting around. Sorry dude, but I don't dig minors. This movie is being praised for not pandering. I think you're way off here.

EXACTLY! And I highly doubt we'd see anyone from the Britney Spears demographic at this film. If they did see it, they'd be like "Oh my god, the color is so washed out, it reminds me of that one really artsy Kirsten Dunst movie Crazy/Beautiful. I really wish we would have just seen How To Deal again for the 16th time, Mandy Moore is our idol."

As for the cinematography, from the clips I saw on Ebert & Roeper, it didn't look bad. Sure, it doesn't look like the bright, perfectly colored mainstream movies, but I've seen quite a few indies and the cinematography here doesn't look much different. Hell, it definitely looks better than the crappy looking digital video look that 28 Days Later has, and a lot of you people saw/want to see that one. It even looks better than the look of The Blair Witch Project, and again, a lot of people saw that one.

[dh1989]

I disagree that 28 Days Later (6/10) had ugly DV work, and I believe it served the film for the better, because DV, by nature, makes the scene more Earthy and gritty, and it actually looked very nice in some scenes.

I understand why Thirteen looks the way it does ---

I am guessing it's the way it is because the flick's about two young teenage girls becoming bad girls and heading into darkness ---

thus I know it should be gritty, but it just doesn't work, it seems, and looks quite ugly. I predict it's an arty move by the directors that fails oh-so miserably.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
if the two chicks in this flick were overweight and ugly i doubt that much buzz would be swirling around this thing.

No offense, but that's pretty much bullshit. Movies like Fat Girl and Real Women Have Curves got great reviews and did well for themselves in limited release. I actually just blind bought Real Women Have Curves tonight for the hell of it. If this movie was about two chubby girls, I'd still check it out. But the main thing interesting me here is that it stars Evan Rachel Wood, who I really love. She's a very talented young actress.

Plus, Thirteen wasn't made to be some huge mainstream hit. In fact, I think it's rather obvious this wouldn't do very well wide. It's not really a mainstream movie and the R rating would keep a lot of younger teens out. R rated serious teen movies just usually don't do well at all. This one doesn't look to be much different. Depending on how wide they go with this one, it might make 1-6 Million dollars. Hell, anything over 3 Million would be very good. And even if this made 200 Million dollars, there's absolutely NO WAY in hell they would make a sequel. It would ruin the effect and ending of this one. The only thing that would happen is the people involved with Thirteen would get more job offers. If this was trying to be mainstream and actually thought it was going to make some good $$$, it would have had a bigger budget to make it all slick and shiny for the masses.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dh1989
I disagree that 28 Days Later (6/10) had ugly DV work, and I believe it served the film for the better, because DV, by nature, makes the scene more Earthy and gritty, and it actually looked very nice in some scenes.

I understand why Thirteen looks the way it does ---

I am guessing it's the way it is because the flick's about two young teenage girls becoming bad girls and heading into darkness ---

thus I know it should be gritty, but it just doesn't work, it seems, and looks quite ugly. I predict it's an arty move by the directors that fails oh-so miserably.


Well, I personally don't care for DV because it makes the movie look so fake and soap opera-ish. When I saw the trailer to Skeletons in The Closet, the DV immediately turned me off and that's why I haven't seen the movie. I will probably see it someday, but the look of the movie seems so annoying and fake.

I really didn't see a problem with Thirteen. I didn't think it made it look ugly, since the camera wasn't flopping all over the place like in some scenes of 28 Days Later. I haven't seen 28 Days yet, but I've heard quite a few complaints about how you can't see jack squat in a lot of the scenes where something is actually going on. How can that be enjoyable? Anyway, if it didn't bother you there or in Full Frontal (which I've heard several complaints about how awful it looks), then why would it bother you here? The cinematography here looks much better, IMO anyway.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Mike
I've heard quite a few complaints about how you can't see jack squat in a lot of the scenes where something is actually going on.

I'd concur with that, but it's not a problem with the DV camera, it's the filmmakers zooming in too close to the action, thus it's a blurry mess of live human and rotten flesh.

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
Come on , the main reason most people want to see this is because they want to see two attractive sexpots strut around for 90 or so minutes , not for some deep meaningful insight .Yeah , people are going to see this for Holly Hunters perf , please , if the two chicks in this flick were overweight and ugly i doubt that much buzz would be swirling around this thing .




I can see how it's going to become chic to say you've seen and liked this film , especially since a bunch of critics think this is somehow original and groundbreaking and praising it all over , and saying you like it will make you seem socially responsible somehow or hip .


Check out Rain , Rosie , Rosetta , or UGS for your teen angst fix . At least those films weren't so obviously trying to appeal to the academy and the Britney Spears / Chris Aguilera demographic . They're not speaking to that generation of youngins , they're pandering to them .


I really hope this thing fades and fades fast , i can only hope , or else we just might get a sequel , oh please no , please no . I can see the action figures and playing cards being made already , oh wait we already have those , they're called Bratz .

you work for a campaign against thirteen?

your words aren't making sense and sound like you have something against the film personally,it sounds like bullshit.

[MadsenOMC]

It does seem that some have a personal vendetta here. There's absolutely no reason to believe that it fails miserably or anything close to that. And the cinematography looks great to me. I'm sure it's one of the many fine aspects of the film.

[Scarface98.9]

Originally posted by dh1989
I'd concur with that, but it's not a problem with the DV camera, it's the filmmakers zooming in too close to the action, thus it's a blurry mess of live human and rotten flesh.
I agree with this. And I also think DV helped the movie more since it was a slightly documentary-ish, a nice touch for a horror movie, and really emphasized the bleakness of the area. And it was also a necessity to use it, since they show a lot of shots of famous England landmarks deserted, and since DV's easier to move around and set up, they couldn't do it with film

[Mike]

Originally posted by Annie Hall
Why is everyone fascinated by the mob and crime? We have enough of those movies to watch for the rest of our lives. Why is everyone so interested in seeing J. Lo and Ben Affleck get down in movie after movie after movie (gobble gobble)?

There have been very few non-explotive, serious films about teenagers and what happens when this sort of shit goes awry. And many times in the world, it does. Personally, if it's well done, I think this movie has the potential to be great.

Exactly! There's not many "good" serious films like this out there. And thanks to Larry Clark, whenever one comes out and tries to actually do it right, people bitch and complain and think it's trying to be sleezy and the filmmaker must be a pervert. It's kind of annoying.

[Sad man]

Saw some clips. The acting looks great! I wanna see this.

[Mike]

Dark Horizons Presents...


Evan Rachel Wood / "Thirteen"
Exclusive Interview by Paul Fischer in Los Angeles


We’ll be seeing a lot of teenage star Evan Rachel Wood in the months to come. Apart from her brazenly honest portrayal of a troubled teen in the disarmingly honest Thirteen, Wood will be seen in Ron Howard’s The Missing, as Cate Blanchett’s daughter in the Western thriller, and is currently in London shooting The Upside of Anger, alongside Kevin Costner and recently wrapped Heart of Summer. At a mere 16, Wood is virtually a veteran with some 17 films to her credit, but she doesn’t seem to take potential fame all that seriously. “I see it but, I just kind of laugh at it. It’s just kind of funny because I think I’m just this normal girl that’s kind of a dork,” she says smilingly. As to the possibility of fame, the teenager, who still lives at home with her divorced mother, Wood is circumspect. “It’s a little frightening, but still really exciting. I’m getting all these great opportunities to work with amazing people and do amazing projects, so good things come along with it.”

One of which is Thirteen, a huge hit at this year’s Sundance Film Festival and a film that is bound to give the talented teenager plenty of exposure. In it, she plays a thirteen-year-old girl whose relationship with her mother (Holly Hunter) is put to the test as she discovers drugs, sex, and petty crime in the company of her cool but troubled best friend (Nikki Reed). While talking to this quiet, contemplative teenager, one has the impression of talking to a conventional teen, Wood surprisingly admits that it wasn’t all that difficult to tap into this latest character, a girl who starts out naively innocent but is so desperate to fit in, that she becomes enveloped in a dark world of sex and drugs at the expense of the relationship with her mother. The actress says she wasn’t at all shocked at the utter frankness of the script. “It didn’t shock me how real it was and that finally somebody had written something like that.” Part of that reality, was the film’s often frank exploration of teen sexuality, not in an overtly graphic sense, but realistic nonetheless. Wood, who had never shot scenes like this, said that she had “to zone out and really separate myself from the character and remember that it was just acting. She says the sexual moments ended up being the least difficult. There is a moment where her character cuts herself “and those cutting scenes were really, really difficult because when somebody does that, it’s something that’s really private which you do by yourself, and you’re also at your most vulnerable point. So to do that in front of a lot of people is really difficult.” Wood admits that shooting Thirteen was a draining experience but it wasn’t difficult leaving this character behind “because I really, really, really, really wanted to shake it off, so by the end of the film I was just completely ready.”

Though Wood says she couldn’t identify “with the sex and drugs, a lot of my friends are into all that, so I was kind of surrounded by it all the time,” she says. The actress shyly admits that was drawn into the cool clique of friends at school. “We all just kinda did everything we thought we were supposed to do and girls dated the guys they were supposed to and did things with the guys they were supposed to.” Though she says she eventually “woke up”, Wood happily concedes that at the time, she and her group were nothing but a lot of “dumb asses”, further conceding that “from the outside you’d probably look and think we were the cool kids, but inside we were all just completely screwed up.” She adds that teenagers such as her Thirteen character might think they belong but they really don’t. Using her own experiences as a yardstick, Wood adds that “I just know that I was really lonely, and I didn’t really have anybody else to relate to/” She says that acting eventually helped her deal with many of these adolescent insecurities. “At 13, I was just kind of similar to the character at the time, and the whole movie just made me look at my flaws and myself, and see what I needed to do to change.”


Evan says that her biggest flaw at the ripe old age of 16 is that she worries too much. “Oh God, I worry about everything, such as I’m gonna say something stupid. I’m not good at communicating what’s going on in my head,” she says laughingly.
In comparing teenagers today to those that grew up when her mother was her age, Wood admits that today’s teenagers definitely live a darker existence and Thirteen reflects that all too honestly. Wood says she is saddened by the trend that is an extension of the false imagery today’s teenagers are exposed to in today’s popular culture. “Just look at the messages today’s media are sending everybody, from TV and commercials to actors and singers. Kids are just drowning in that 24-7 and it’s getting really bad. I mean, some of these things were going on when my mom was a teenager, but actually I had this conversation with a friend of mine and we were trying to figure out what’s different about it, and it’s just so much darker now. It comes from such a darker place, and it’s so deeper to the point where being dark and screwed up is becoming a trend. For instance, blood has become cool and it’s just really getting out of control.”

The actress hopes that despite its R-rating, teenage girls will flock to see Thirteen, “so that it should scare them if they can relate to the character because you really see at the beginning how she’s having fun but you also see her hit rock bottom and you see everything blow up in her face. It should just be a kind of warning.”

Wood just completed The Missing for director Ron Howard, and realizes how lucky she is to have so many formidable women playing her mother, from Holly Hunter to Cate Blanchett, “but I can’t say enough good things about Cate who’s really just the most incredible person you could ever meet. Not only is she just this wonderful actress, but she’s just so fun to be around, and she seems very put together.” The Missing is another dark piece, but Evan hopes her next film, Upside of Anger, will show off a slightly lighter side. “It’s still a dark comedy but much lighter and very funny. It’s got Kevin Costner and Joan Allen, so once again another incredible mother.”

No wonder that Wood, as her career takes off in leaps and bounds, she has no urgent desire to go to college. She shays that she loves acting far too much “because of the amazing people you get to meet and the amazing places you get to go and being involved in something that can change people or affect them in some way. What’s nice about acting is that you’re not just left with yourself all the time but you get to see the world through so many different people’s eyes.”

"THIRTEEN" OPENS IN LIMITED RELEASE ON AUGUST 29TH, 2003.

[ilovemovies]

I read that Sarah Clarke is in this movie. For anyone who has seen this I would like to know who she plays and if she has a small part or reasonably decent sized part.


For those who don't know her name Sarah Clarke plays Nina Myers on the FOX show 24.

[XCoRyX]

not sure my man,but im so happy that from the looks of things,this film is doing VERY well so far...EXPAND NOW MOTHERFUCKERS!

[someguy]

Does anyone know the song in the trailer that plays right after the guy goes 1 2 3 go? It's been stuck in my head and I must know!

[HeavyK]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
As if the horrible plot wasn't enough to keep me away from this movie, this hideous picture just sealed the deal. Brrrrr....scary picture.

I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I really don't see any kind of entertainment value in watching a couple of thirteen year olds engaged in sex and drugs. The fact that the actors in this were teenagers themselves makes it even worse.

I know, that picture makes the film look like some kind of sick child porn film. I'm suprised i haven't heard any uproar because of it.

[Mike]

THIRTEEN grossed $38,000 on only 5 screens Friday for a sizzling per-screen average of $7,600. It looks to gross over $100,000 for the weekend. VERY NICE!

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
As if the horrible plot wasn't enough to keep me away from this movie, this hideous picture just sealed the deal. Brrrrr....scary picture.
I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I really don't see any kind of entertainment value in watching a couple of thirteen year olds engaged in sex and drugs. The fact that the actors in this were teenagers themselves makes it even worse

doesnt that make the film more realistic and true?

and mike is that not awesome news?means people like me get a good shot and hopefully seeing this in theaters.

[Mike]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
and mike is that not awesome news?means people like me get a good shot and hopefully seeing this in theaters.

I just pray it does well as it's rolling out, because if I have a chance at seeing this in theaters, I will take it right away. I love Evan Rachel Wood, and this movie looks and sounds great. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go wide enough! I'm dying to see this movie.

I wonder if they are even playing the trailer to it in front of any mainstream movies. The only one I've heard of it showing before is Swimming Pool. I wish they would put the trailer in front of something bigger, and get people more aware of it.

[Freeway]

Originally posted by Mike
I just pray it does well as it's rolling out, because if I have a chance at seeing this in theaters, I will take it right away. I love Evan Rachel Wood, and this movie looks and sounds great. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go wide enough! I'm dying to see this movie.

I wonder if they are even playing the trailer to it in front of any mainstream movies. The only one I've heard of it showing before is Swimming Pool. I wish they would put the trailer in front of something bigger, and get people more aware of it.

I heard that Swimming Pool was a pretty good film too. I hope Thirteen expands so that I have the chance to see it. Dirty Pretty Things just opened near me so I'll be sure to see that independent film. I try and see every "little" film that opens near me because they usually are really good films, from Better Luck Tomorrow to One Hour Photo (Despite Williams, this would likely still be considered a small film), I have yet to be disappointed.

[dh1989]

doesnt that make the film more realistic and true?

'RogueSpear' was talking about entertainment value. Being "realistic and true" doesn't always equal an entertaining final product. Sure, many teenagers probably do have unsafe sex, ugly piercings, and a general lack of respect for their elders, but that doesn't mean watching that type of behavior is entertaining. Personally, while Thirteen could be interesting, I highly doubt it'll be "entertaining," a la a film such as the brilliant Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl or X2: X-Men United.

[bob]

My opinion on this film is well known (even though I haven't seen it...hmm), but I'd agree with dh1989 about the entertainment value thing. When I go to the movies, I wanna see mutants and hilarious pirates. All this, artsy-schmartsy, namsy-pambsy, "good film that teaches the world something and yet manages to do it without boring them and provides realistic characters" crap is so played.;)

Alright, I've had my fun. I promise not to post in this thread again until I've seen the film and have a valid opinion.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dh1989
'RogueSpear' was talking about entertainment value. Being "realistic and true" doesn't always equal an entertaining final product. Sure, many teenagers probably do have unsafe sex, ugly piercings, and a general lack of respect for their elders, but that doesn't mean watching that type of behavior is entertaining. Personally, while Thirteen could be interesting, I highly doubt it'll be "entertaining," a la a film such as the brilliant Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl or X2: X-Men United.

Well, I much rather prefer an actual good film over mindless popcorn entertainment any day. Sure, those can be fun, but it doesn't make them great or meaningful. And I personally am very entertained and engrossed in a lot of smaller "artsy" movies. Most of the best films of the year are the smaller ones, the ones that are actually well written with great performances and without huge explosions and big special effects. Hell, I'd take something like this over crap like X2 (6/10 or C+) any day, which has got to be the single most overrated movie on the boards so far this year (I swear I'm pretty much the only person here that didn't go ape shit over this movie), and will probably remain that way. It was just made up of endless strung together scenes that never lead anywhere. It has the same old message that can be seen in the MUCH MUCH better X-Men (8/10 or B+) except in X2 it's just a big joke and impossible to take it seriously. That's my opinion though, and I'm baffled how come a lot of others can't see it.

Some people like the so called "artsy" :rolleyes: movies more than mindless entertainment. I'm definitely one of them. I'm all about the smaller movies, which come first for me. If I have the chance to see a smaller movie I really want to see in theaters or some bigger movies that's raking in a ton of $$$, I will easily choose the smaller movie, which would need my help more and most likely be the better film. I find these films entertaining and much more relatable. If I wasn't entertained by them, then I wouldn't like them. If a movie is boring and doesn't entertain you at all, then how could it be good anyway? There's different types of entertainment IMO.

[Ren Hoek]

And the award for the most condescending post of the day goes to... (*drum roll*) Mike. Congrats!

Okay, you can step down from your soap box now that we are all enlightened by your wisdom and your excellent taste in movies. Seriously, Mike, there's more out there than just two kinds of people, the ones who prefer the good "artsy" movies, and the ones who lust for bad mindless entertainment. Have you ever considered that there are actually movies who combine these two qualities, i.e. are entertaining AND intelligent? But you will probably never find out because you even refuse to watch most of them since IYO they "look horrible" :rolleyes:

P.S.: Just IMO, but don't two of your favourite movies of 2003, T3 and WRONG TURN also fall in the category "mindless entertainment"?

P.P.S.: If a 6/10 rating stands for "crap" in your book, than I seriously don't understand on which kind of scale you rate movies.

[Ren Hoek]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
I read that Sarah Clarke is in this movie. For anyone who has seen this I would like to know who she plays and if she has a small part or reasonably decent sized part.


For those who don't know her name Sarah Clarke plays Nina Myers on the FOX show 24.
Now that's actually a good reason to check it out. I've been a fan of 24 for a while and Sarah Clarke is hands down my favourite actress in the show.

[blankpage]

I saw the trailer for this film a couple of days ago after work, and I've gotta say....this looks bad. The cinematography looks all over the place, and this film looks like it's trying too hard to be good. I may watch this when it comes out on video, but my opinion still doesn't change.

[Mike]

Originally posted by RenHoek
And the award for the most condescending post of the day goes to... (*drum roll*) Mike. Congrats!

Okay, you can step down from your soap box now that we are all enlightened by your wisdom and your excellent taste in movies. Seriously, Mike, there's more out there than just two kinds of people, the ones who prefer the good "artsy" movies, and the ones who lust for bad mindless entertainment. Have you ever considered that there are actually movies who combine these two qualities, i.e. are entertaining AND intelligent? But you will probably never find out because you even refuse to watch most of them since IYO they "look horrible" :rolleyes:

P.S.: Just IMO, but don't two of your favourite movies of 2003, T3 and WRONG TURN also fall in the category "mindless entertainment"?

P.P.S.: If a 6/10 rating stands for "crap" in your book, than I seriously don't understand on which kind of scale you rate movies.

Actually, that's bullshit, there's not many movies that I absolutely refuse to watch. I give most movies a chance at one time or another, even if I don't think they look that good. I like both kinds of movies. I like actual "good" films and I like mindless entertainment, but most of the mindless entertainment is just that, and aren't ones I'd actually consider to be "good" films.

And yes, I'll admit, both Wrong Turn and T3 are mindless entertainment. They aren't exactly "good" films by any means. They are just fun. You won't see me calling either of them the best film of the year, especially since neither of them are my #1 of 2003 right now. But even so, it would have to be a pretty pathetic movie year in order for me to have those as the best films of the year.

X2 isn't complete crap, and the reason it gets a 6/10 (C+) is because it wasn't really boring. It wasn't all that entertaining or exciting, but it didn't bore me to tears either. It's still not a good film by any means. It's a big, dumb popcorn movie with the usual laughable writing. I don't care if other people loved the hell out of it, but when these same people put down movies like this with labels like "artsy fartsy," it's a little annoying. If something is a good film and not some big budget popcorn flick, that doesn't exactly make it "artsy fartsy."

[XCoRyX]

well,its easy to say this bad boy (well,bad girl)...did well this weekend....damn well...now EXPAND it dammit I want to see this in theaters.

[MadsenOMC]

Some have pointed out that the artsy thing has been overplayed and they just want to be entertained and have fun. That's exactly how I feel about Hollywood lately, especially this summer. It's all been overplayed. Pirates of the Carribean is better than most of this summer's garbage, but it's still way too long and not all that good. It's like when you're starved and you go eat fast food and it tastes like the best meal you've ever had because you were so hungry. This summer has been one piece of garbage after another. They have been so formulaic and uninspired and predictable. Fancy special effects but no script or story anywhere in sight. No imagination whatsoever, save for how to blow something up real good. So I for one am thrilled that summer is coming to an end. Looking at EW's fall preview, I noted a whole lot of movies that I am highly anticipating. However, I'm only stating personal preference. I don't see any point in arguing over what's better, entertaining Hollywood stuff or high-brow artsy movies. And of course you can love both. I do. I love a good brainless blockbuster as much as the next person. But I didn't see many of them this summer. Just bad movies. And I am sick to death of them. Bring on Thirteen and the rest of the fall lineup.

[Mike]

This is from Box Office Guru:

Debuting to sparkling results in limited release was Fox Searchlight's teen angst pic Thirteen which grossed an estimated $112,000 from only five theaters for a robust $22,443 per venue. The R-rated entry played in New York, Los Angeles, and Toronto and has collected $136,000 since Wednesday. This Friday, Thirteen expands into 50-60 theaters for the Labor Day holiday period.


I would die if this came to one of my theaters. You bet your ass I would drop whatever plans I had to go see it. Please please please come near me.

[Horror whore]

Here are the cities where Thirteen is expanding to this weekend: Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Birmingham MI, Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Edina MN, Hartford, the Los Angeles metro area, Philadelphia, Portland OR, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, the San Francisco Bay area, Seattle, St. Louis, Vancouver and Washington D.C.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
Here are the cities where Thirteen is expanding to this weekend: Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Birmingham MI, Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Edina MN, Hartford, the Los Angeles metro area, Philadelphia, Portland OR, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, the San Francisco Bay area, Seattle, St. Louis, Vancouver and Washington D.C.

Hey, thanks for the info. Hmm, I don't even know for sure how far Edina is from here.

[XCoRyX]

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its coming to Philadelphia~!

[Mike]

THIRTEEN ended up grossing a tad more than the estimates had projected. It grossed $116,260 from 5 theaters for a per-screen average of $23,252... Very cool!

[PorcheRacer]

Leonard Maltin and that girl gave Thirteen a "hot" vote on Hot Ticket last night. They both hated Rules Of Attraction though. I don't know...that Maltin fellow strikes me funny.

[XCoRyX]

porche the same can be said about maltin for me..

[MadsenOMC]

Leonard Maltin is a raving lunatic. He hated The Usual Suspects, Memento, and many other classics. Can't stand that guy.

[Slim]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
I read that Sarah Clarke is in this movie. For anyone who has seen this I would like to know who she plays and if she has a small part or reasonably decent sized part.

For those who don't know her name Sarah Clarke plays Nina Myers on the FOX show 24.

Saw Thirteen today.

Sarah Clarke plays a mother named Birdie. She has a very small part in this movie. Blink and you might miss her. ;) Her screentime clocks in at maybe five minutes max. I was kind of disappointed. Also, if anyone watches Six Feet Under, Jeremy Sisto aka Billy is in this movie as well.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

actually saw a commerical for this flick on E today, I really hope it goes wide so I can get to c it.

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by RenHoek
And the award for the most condescending post of the day goes to... (*drum roll*) Mike. Congrats!

Okay, you can step down from your soap box now that we are all enlightened by your wisdom and your excellent taste in movies. Seriously, Mike, there's more out there than just two kinds of people, the ones who prefer the good "artsy" movies, and the ones who lust for bad mindless entertainment. Have you ever considered that there are actually movies who combine these two qualities, i.e. are entertaining AND intelligent? But you will probably never find out because you even refuse to watch most of them since IYO they "look horrible" :rolleyes:

P.S.: Just IMO, but don't two of your favourite movies of 2003, T3 and WRONG TURN also fall in the category "mindless entertainment"?

P.P.S.: If a 6/10 rating stands for "crap" in your book, than I seriously don't understand on which kind of scale you rate movies.

:rollseyes:

Check out the rules again dude.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
:rolleyes:

Check out the rules again dude.

I don't think 'RenHoek' broke any rules. His post had no direct cut-downs to 'Mike' himself, i.e. "Fuck you, 'Mike', just shut up." He was merely critical of 'Mike''s post, and, I'd agree with him, it was condescending.

Also, I don't understand why it seems to be the general consensus on the boards that low-budget = great film. Yes, many indies are spectacular, but the indie world turns out as much shit, if not more, than mainstream Hollywood.

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by dh1989
I don't think 'RenHoek' broke any rules. His post had no direct cut-downs to 'Mike' himself. He was merely critical of 'Mike''s post, and, I'd agree with him, it was condescending.

Hell, I found it desrespectful...I can only imagine what Mike thought.

It doesn't matter if a movie is an indie flick or a Hollywood blockbuster, if a movie looks good to someone they will see it.

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Leonard Maltin is a raving lunatic. He hated The Usual Suspects, Memento, and many other classics. Can't stand that guy.

Hes a lunatic because he hated them movies?

[Ren Hoek]

Originally posted by Mike
Actually, that's bullshit, there's not many movies that I absolutely refuse to watch. I give most movies a chance at one time or another, even if I don't think they look that good. I like both kinds of movies. I like actual "good" films and I like mindless entertainment, but most of the mindless entertainment is just that, and aren't ones I'd actually consider to be "good" films.
I simply don't agree with your assumption that the majority of "small" indie movies fall in the "good" film category, while most blockbusters are mindless entertainment. I see 3-4 movies in theatres every week, half of which mainstream productions, the other half arthouse flicks. And while I have to agree that most Hollywood blockbusters are dumb shite, indie flicks are also often pretentious and ultimately shallow.

You make it sound like like a fact that THIRTEEN will probably be superior to X2 simply because it's "non-mainstream". Plus, I don't have to tell you that the comparison THIRTEEN-X2 doesn't really work. The two movies have nothing whatsoever in common. Apples and oranges, anyone? There is absolutely no need in putting down people who liked X2 as "fans of mindless entertainment" while presenting yourself as a lover of "good" movies just because you are not a fan of big mainstream movies.
And yes, I'll admit, both Wrong Turn and T3 are mindless entertainment. They aren't exactly "good" films by any means. They are just fun. You won't see me calling either of them the best film of the year, especially since neither of them are my #1 of 2003 right now. But even so, it would have to be a pretty pathetic movie year in order for me to have those as the best films of the year.
I didn't say that IYO they are the best films of the year but that T3 and WRONG TURN are "two of your favourites". I mean, you gave them 9/10 ratings. But if you give a 6/10 to a movie you have NOTHING positive to say about, then I assume a 9/10 doesn't mean much to you, either.
X2 isn't complete crap, and the reason it gets a 6/10 (C+) is because it wasn't really boring. It wasn't all that entertaining or exciting, but it didn't bore me to tears either. It's still not a good film by any means. It's a big, dumb popcorn movie with the usual laughable writing. I don't care if other people loved the hell out of it, but when these same people put down movies like this with labels like "artsy fartsy," it's a little annoying. If something is a good film and not some big budget popcorn flick, that doesn't exactly make it "artsy fartsy."
I you kinda enjoyed it, then I don't understand why you called it "crap" in your earlier post. Also, I have only heard one schmoe calling THIRTEEN "artsy fartsy", so I really don't see why you get so angry about it. If someone has nothing to say about about a movie besides complaining about its "artsy-ness", just ignore him/her. Dealing with this issue by starting a rant about a random (it must be random since I don't see ANY connection between THIRTEEN and X2) widely beloved mainstream movie isn't a good idea. You won't encourage anyone to check out THIRTEEN this way but only piss people off IMO. How would you feel about a schmoe who promotes T3 by claiming that it's "great" and "meaningful" (to use your words), and that he/she can't understand people who prefer "crap" such as KISSING JESSICA STEIN to "good" stuff like the Ah-nuld franchise? Would that piss you off? And wouldn't you also say that you don't see the point in comparing these films?

Promoting a movie you believe to be good is cool; doing so by putting down other movie fans is pathetic.

[Ren Hoek]

Woo-Hooo... it's a double post! ;)

[Ren Hoek]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
:rollseyes:

Check out the rules again dude.
Thanks for the heads up, but I already know the rules.

Jeez, as if it isn't allowed to disagree with certain schmoes. There's no need to start a witch hunt, dude.

[MadsenOMC]

I certainly did not mean to give the impression that indie means it's good and indie movies are always better than anything from Hollywood. I have seen plenty of bad indie movies, just as everyone has. And we all know critic's will go nuts for certain indie movies and jump on a bandwagon because they think they should. Then we see it and scratch our head and wonder what the hell they were thinking. It is simply untrue to say that indie means quality and superior to Hollywood. My favorite movie of all-time is a big budget effort from a major studio. And many of my other favorites are from major studios. I'm sure many people can say the same. However, currently I am enjoying indies more than Hollywood offerings, on average. The best movies I saw this summer were at the art house theater. But it all boils down to personal preference. Sometimes it does mystify me as to how someone can love a certain movie, but A) I love movies that mystify people and B) it doesn't mean I think they're stupid or anything like that. As for Leonard Maltin, I consistently disgaree with him and find him to be a complete moron.

[Mike]

Originally posted by RenHoek

I simply don't agree with your assumption that the majority of "small" indie movies fall in the "good" film category, while most blockbusters are mindless entertainment. I see 3-4 movies in theatres every week, half of which mainstream productions, the other half arthouse flicks. And while I have to agree that most Hollywood blockbusters are dumb shite, indie flicks are also often pretentious and ultimately shallow.

You make it sound like like a fact that THIRTEEN will probably be superior to X2 simply because it's "non-mainstream". Plus, I don't have to tell you that the comparison THIRTEEN-X2 doesn't really work. The two movies have nothing whatsoever in common. Apples and oranges, anyone? There is absolutely no need in putting down people who liked X2 as "fans of mindless entertainment" while presenting yourself as a lover of "good" movies just because you are not a fan of big mainstream movies.

I didn't say that IYO they are the best films of the year but that T3 and WRONG TURN are "two of your favourites". I mean, you gave them 9/10 ratings. But if you give a 6/10 to a movie you have NOTHING positive to say about, then I assume a 9/10 doesn't mean much to you, either.

I you kinda enjoyed it, then I don't understand why you called it "crap" in your earlier post. Also, I have only heard one schmoe calling THIRTEEN "artsy fartsy", so I really don't see why you get so angry about it. If someone has nothing to say about about a movie besides complaining about its "artsy-ness", just ignore him/her. Dealing with this issue by starting a rant about a random (it must be random since I don't see ANY connection between THIRTEEN and X2) widely beloved mainstream movie isn't a good idea. You won't encourage anyone to check out THIRTEEN this way but only piss people off IMO. How would you feel about a schmoe who promotes T3 by claiming that it's "great" and "meaningful" (to use your words), and that he/she can't understand people who prefer "crap" such as KISSING JESSICA STEIN to "good" stuff like the Ah-nuld franchise? Would that piss you off? And wouldn't you also say that you don't see the point in comparing these films?

Promoting a movie you believe to be good is cool; doing so by putting down other movie fans is pathetic. [/B]


No, there's GOOD indie movies and BAD indie movies, and there's GOOD and SMART big budget movies, and BAD and STUPID big budget movies. Not all indies are great, and not all big blockbusters are bad. But I myself prefer to see the smaller movies over the bigger ones, because they need more help than the mainstream stuff. And whenever any of my friends want a recommendation or so, I usually always go with the smaller lesser-known movies first, since otherwise I know they won't look twice at them, since they don't even know about a lot of them.

I don't think THIRTEEN will be better than X2 because it's non-mainstream, but I think I will personally find it better, smarter, and more entertaining, since X2, for me, was basically just something to look at, something that amounted to nothing for the most part. And I don't care if people loved X2, but I'm just surprised almost EVERYONE seems to love it SO much. Oh well though, that's their opinion. I myself didn't have as much fun with it as most people. I wouldn't have even brought up X2 if DH wouldn't have said THIRTEEN most likely won't be entertaining, like the "brilliant" X2. I was basically just stating that I think I will find it more entertaining than X2. There's different kinds of entertaining. Smaller movies about people that don't have any big special effects can be entertaining too. If they weren't, I wouldn't watch them. I can almost say for a fact that I will be more entertained by THIRTEEN than I was by X2.

And I never said I didn't have ANYTHING positive to say about X2. If you read my review, you'll see that I liked some things about it, and not others. It was so-so in my opinion, but that doesn't mean I thought it was too smart. And calling a movie crap isn't necessarily a bad thing, there's good crap and bad crap. Some movies I know are crap yet they are so bad in a good and entertaining way that I can't help but enjoy them.

If someone thought T3 was GREAT and BRILLIANT, but KISSING JESSICA STEIN was crap, and I know there's some (DH for sure), I really wouldn't care. It just doesn't bother me that much. I know I loved KISSING JESSICA STEIN (and even T3, but in a different way), and that's all that matters. Sure, it's nice to see others enjoy it, but if they don't, there's nothing I can do about it, it's just their opinion, and it really doesn't bother me much. And yes, it would be kind of pointless to compare them, unless someone else brought the two up together first. Just like with THIRTEEN and X2, there's no point in comparing them, but since DH said there's no doubt THIRTEEN won't be as entertaining as X2, I had to say that I think I will find THIRTEEN more entertaining, since I wasn't that big on X2.

[Mike]

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*
actually saw a commerical for this flick on E today, I really hope it goes wide so I can get to c it.

I would love to see a TV spot for it. I hope they show them on other channels too, on the main ones, like FOX, NBC, ABC, etc... MTV might even be a good one to show some on. I think it would be cool if FOX would air one during The O.C. tonight, it might be a good idea, it would get it some exposure anyway.

Damn, I wish I wouldn't have missed Hot Ticket this weekend :(. I was wondering if Leonard and Joyce were going to like it or not. They hated The Rules of Attraction and Frailty, but there's movies I agree with them on and ones I disagree with them on, so it doesn't matter. Nobody agrees with someone on EVERYTHING. I still like watching the movie review shows, even if I don't end up agreeing with what they say about some movies.


There's 29 FRESH and only 10 ROTTEN reviews at Rotten Tomatoes.

Here's some of the new quotes:

"It's well worth seeing, even at the risk of making you want to lock your daughter in her room for the next six years."
-- Bob Strauss, LOS ANGELES DAILY NEWS

"It's what the controversial and overrated Kids should have been -- unflinching and honest, but not bleak."
-- Bill Pearis, CITYSEARCH

"Compellingly sheds light on a terrifying world"
-- Leslie Katz, CULTUREVULTURE.NET

"Thirteen has a way of smashing through your defenses."
-- David Edelstein, SLATE

"Warning: This movie may have uncomfortable similarities to events in your life."
-- Liam Lacey, GLOBE AND MAIL

"The characters are so perfectly drawn and the performances so raw and so brilliant that the film manages to have an amazing impact."
-- Liz Braun, JAM! MOVIES

"Thirteen is a provocative peek into the raw world of modern urban adolescence -- but it's a peek with lots of thought, and some fine filmmaking, behind it."
-- Paul Clinton, CNN

"Many cuts above most big-screen soap operas."
-- Manohla Dargis, LOS ANGELES TIMES

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Mike
but since DH said there's no doubt THIRTEEN won't be as entertaining as X2, I had to say that I think I will find THIRTEEN more entertaining, since I wasn't that big on X2.

I suppose we both have a different definition of "entertainment" in our head. I consider it a feeling of joy and happiness that you're enjoying what you're watching. And I don't feel a story about a kind teenage girl becoming a drug-addicted. foul-mouthed, and disrespectful rebel will be "enjoyable" by any means, but rather interesting. On the flipside, I do consider X2: X-Men United to be a prime example of pure movie "entertainment," but it's painfully obvious we feel differently in regards to that word.

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by dh1989
"enjoyable" by any means, but rather interesting.


The defintion of entertain is --

to keep a group of people interested or amused

[dh1989]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
The defintion of entertain is --

to keep a group of people interested or amused


Well, I suppose 'Mike' is right, but I still don't consider 13 to be a film setting out to be an 'entertaining' night at the movies, just I like I don't consider films such as Black & White, The Pianist, Schindler's List, or Natural Born Killers to be films setting out to be 'entertaining.' I just don't consider them to be "entertainment," just like 'Mike' doesn't consider an ant to be an animal in the same vein as a cat & dog or the late 'movies35' not considering Freddy Vs. Jason to be "gory." I s'pose every Schmoe feels something that the general Schmoe public doesn't agree with.

[RickySlade]

Originally posted by dh1989
Well, I suppose 'Mike' is right, but I still don't consider 13 to be a film setting out to be an 'entertaining' night at the movies, just I like I don't consider films such as Black & White, The Pianist, Schindler's List, or Natural Born Killers to be films setting out to be 'entertaining.' I just don't consider them to be "entertainment," just like 'Mike' doesn't consider an ant to be an animal in the same vein as a cat & dog or the late 'movies35' not considering Freddy Vs. Jason to be "gory." I s'pose every Schmoe feels something that the general Schmoe public doesn't agree with.

That's what movies are supposed to do....entertain.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by RickySlade
That's what movies are supposed to do....entertain.

I'd disagree there too. Yes, for the most part, movies are made to entertain you for 2 hours, but I do think there are exceptions, i.e. - a film made to educate you, but whatever, I'm tired of arguing this point, and I'm probably the only one whos think this way, so enjoy being entertained by Thirteen! :)...

[Mike]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
The defintion of entertain is --

to keep a group of people interested or amused

Yep, that's how I think of it. There's different ways of being entertained. I can be entertained in a movie that's not jolly, cheerful and fun. Movies that aren't happy or fluffy can be pretty interesting/entertaining. It all depends. I found Requiem For A Dream (10/10 or A+) very entertaining, but not in a "Boy, that was really fun!" way. I was entertained in a "Wow, that was really interesting!" way.

It's all a matter of opinion though. I myself can find unhappy movies entertaining, but others might not consider them to be. I personally just think there's different types of entertaining.

[Slim]

So... umm with this argument about the definition of entertain over... who has seen this movie? Besides me?

[EDsoulsurvive*]

awesome, i saw a commercial for teh news tonite during The OC and it had a special on 13. The commercial said "Therapy not working, try the new movie 13."

I didn't get to watch, but i just thought i'd bring it up here.

[Mike]

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*
awesome, i saw a commercial for teh news tonite during The OC and it had a special on 13. The commercial said "Therapy not working, try the new movie 13."

I didn't get to watch, but i just thought i'd bring it up here.

Damn! I wish I would have known about that, but I guess I missed the commercial for the news :(. That's great, I just had to miss it. I missed it when they had clips from it on E! News Live, and now I miss this. This blows!

[MadsenOMC]

An excellent point: "Somebody on CNN said, 'This is not how all teenagers are.' [But] we never said that. You don't watch A Beautiful Mind and say, 'This is how every mathematician is.' That's one person's story, and this is one kid's story."

- Catherine Hardwicke, writer/director, on her controversial directorial debut, thirteen, which depicts on Los Angeles teen’s slide into sex and drugs.
Source: CNN

[Slim]

Pfft. Having seen the movie, I don't understand what's "controversial" at all. It doesn't step over any boundaries or push any limits.

[someguy]

Sorry Slim but I never heard anything on it being controversial. I don't understand that. When there's a movie about a kid gone bad it automatically gets labelled as controversial.







Except for that one movie I saw where a kid had sex with a cat.

[Mike]

Originally posted by someguy
Except for that one movie I saw where a kid had sex with a cat.

:eek: What movie is that? :eek: I think I've heard something about it before, but I don't know what the title is.


Anyway, as for THIRTEEN, I haven't heard anything about it being controversial either. I've heard it's brutal and honest, but nothing about being controversial. Nobody has been raising a stink about its content or anything.

[someguy]

I don't know the title of the movie but it was on TV a few years ago. The scene went like this:

These kids(who looked like 12)are with a bunch of other kids who look 16-18. The older kids are screaming Coward over and over again when the kid(who is drunk)keeps yelling that he'll do it for five bucks. The kids go around and put money in a dish and come up with five bucks(this took place in older times so 5 bucks was worth more). The kid starts to look really scared while another kid picks up a cat and holds it down on the table. The kid is looking more scared. He comes up to the cat and starts unzipping his pants. It cuts away and you just hear the cat screeching.


A very disturbing scene.

[XCoRyX]

that whole cat deal is just terrible

[Etrigan]

This movie just isnt my cup of tea.

In fact I'd only watch it if I could inject my eyeballs with LSD.

I dont care if it provides a strong moral story. It just doesnt sound appealing.

I also REALLY hate young teenagers (11 - 15).

Ever watch a movie and those fuckers are there yapping away and chasing each other?

Little shits.....

[XCoRyX]

hey buddy,you were a little shit at one point too..

[Slim]

Originally posted by someguy
Sorry Slim but I never heard anything on it being controversial. I don't understand that. When there's a movie about a kid gone bad it automatically gets labelled as controversial.

I was referring to the CNN tidbit that MadsenOMC posted. The word "controversial" was used and I found that odd. Since I haven't read anything either that states anything controversial. CNN... the most trusted name in news. ;)

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Catherine Hardwicke, writer/director, on her controversial directorial debut, thirteen, which depicts on Los Angeles teen’s slide into sex and drugs.
Source: CNN

[XCoRyX]

hmm well its playing in 1 theater in my city,and the theater is pretty far,and will require me to take bus/el...that dont bother me but I'm not sure how to get there,and what stop to get off and such...so lets see if I get around to checking it out.

[sharkstank]

i just saw a looonnnngg tv spot(more like a trailer) during temptation island and it looks amazing
i really want to see this film now, but i'm scared since my little sis is 12 and 3/4!:eek:

[XCoRyX]

haha

just whisper "its only a movie...its only a movie...its only a movie" (10 bucks to the person who knows what I am referring too)

[Mike]

Originally posted by someguy
I don't know the title of the movie but it was on TV a few years ago. The scene went like this:

These kids(who looked like 12)are with a bunch of other kids who look 16-18. The older kids are screaming Coward over and over again when the kid(who is drunk)keeps yelling that he'll do it for five bucks. The kids go around and put money in a dish and come up with five bucks(this took place in older times so 5 bucks was worth more). The kid starts to look really scared while another kid picks up a cat and holds it down on the table. The kid is looking more scared. He comes up to the cat and starts unzipping his pants. It cuts away and you just hear the cat screeching.


A very disturbing scene.


Oh man, that gives me chills. God, does anyone know what it's called? You'd think it would be a little more known because of that controversial/disturbing scene.


Originally posted by sharkstank
i just saw a looonnnngg tv spot(more like a trailer) during temptation island and it looks amazing
i really want to see this film now, but i'm scared since my little sis is 12 and 3/4!:eek:


Damn it! You are lucky. I want to see a TV spot really bad. I should have watched Temptation Island damn it ;)!


Anyway, THIRTEEN added 68 theaters and is now in 73. I'm hoping that it expands more next weekend and goes wide enough for me to be able to check out.

[sharkstank]

yeah, the spot was really good,
.
btw, XCoRyX, are you referring to Last House on the Left.
do i win 10 bucks!?:)

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by sharkstank
yeah, the spot was really good,
.
btw, XCoRyX, are you referring to Last House on the Left.
do i win 10 bucks!?:)

*checks pockets and realizes he blew his money on jeepers creepers 2* sorry dude,not today.

and mike,i also hope it does well and expands even more...its playing in the city,but pretty damn far....and ain't sure how to get there...im in northeast philly,and its playing in center city,close to south...

[Mike]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
and mike,i also hope it does well and expands even more...its playing in the city,but pretty damn far....and ain't sure how to get there...im in northeast philly,and its playing in center city,close to south...

Yeah, Edina is pretty far from here too. I really hope it comes closer. An hour away isn't so bad, but Edina is over 2 hours from here. Plus, I have no friggin' idea where the theater there is, I have never been there before. I really hope it can at least come within an hour of me. My theater got Dirty Pretty Things this weekend, but I'd trade that for Thirteen anyday. I mean, DPT looks good, but I'm DYING to see Thirteen and can't wait for video. This is an emergency. I wish I was able to e-mail my theater, but I've looked everywhere online and there's no e-mail address for it :(. I'll just have to cross my fingers. It would be great if they could get Thirteen next weekend, since there's nothing I want to see in theaters opening (other than Home Room, but that won't come near me). But the weekend after is packed. There's Cabin Fever, Cold Creek Manor, and Matchstick Men.

[Lazy Boy]

Thirteen - 9/10

In the opening scene, we are witness to two girls, Tracy (Evan Rachel Wood) and Evie (Nikki Reed, the co-writer of the film), smacking each other in the face, getting off on a delirious high of pain and pleasure. I was sort of taken back by this scene, and then the film cuts and flashes back to months earlier.

That's how Thirteen feels to me; like snapshots from a person's life, or strands of memory that fail to connect in a whole. Tracy is so wanting to be popular and shed herself of the goody-two-shoes image; without time to spare, or understand why, she is suddenly wearing a funky and fresh new style of clothes, and becoming quite prone to piercings. Her mother, Melanie (Holly Hunter), is a decent woman, a recovering addict who shelters other misguided and wayward people in her home. So, what could be the problem? Does it have to do with Tracy's lack of a father figure? Her mom's recovering junkie boyfriend (played by Jeremy Sisto)?

What's so wonderfully refreshing about this film is that it takes a basic Lifetime movie of the week premise, and yet it doesn't take the easy route. There is no soft, easy scenes of comfort, nor are characters worthy of either blame or forgiveness. The film starts out, pseudo-documentary style, plunging us in this world of great highs and bad behavior, and then takes the usual route by plunging Tracy into a downer spiral and a world of her own self-inflicted hell. By the end, there has been no preachy moralizing or finger pointing. It ends, quietly, without any big scenes of revelation or past hurt, and that works in its strength (although some scenes of dialogue were a bit on the nose and weren't necessary).

The acting: what can I say? We now have another candidate for Best Actress of the year in Rachel Evan Wood's performance. She goes through all the motions and dynamics; we fear for her, feel some pity for her, but also dislike her for her brazen, loud mouth and the spiteful words that come out of them. She hurts people just as much as she wants to hurt herself, to bring pain to the surface that she has no longer felt for years. It's quite a breakthrough performance.
Holly Hunter gives her best performance in years, and while I was frustrated to see how oblivious her character was to her daughter's actions, I could understand, via simple gestures on her part. She does what she can for her family, but she has her faults, too.
Nikki Reed has the manipulative, bad girl image of Evie down to a tee. This story is her life, after all, and she is good enough to downplay everything, so subtly, when Wood is on screen. The two are captivating together. Girls like Evie do exist; my sister had a friend who used her for quite some time. It's scary how accurate this film is in its depiction of what some, not all, teenagers do.

Unlike all the arthouse, faux indie crap that pretends to be about something, Thirteen delivers a gritty and dark story, that, while not shocking or controversial, is dark and wrenching in its ability to be the anti-Larry Clark; no fetishistic voyeurism or leering, or glamorizing of the way of life depicted here.

One of the best films of the year.

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by Mike
Yeah, Edina is pretty far from here too. I really hope it comes closer. An hour away isn't so bad, but Edina is over 2 hours from here. Plus, I have no friggin' idea where the theater there is, I have never been there before. I really hope it can at least come within an hour of me. My theater got Dirty Pretty Things this weekend, but I'd trade that for Thirteen anyday. I mean, DPT looks good, but I'm DYING to see Thirteen and can't wait for video. This is an emergency. I wish I was able to e-mail my theater, but I've looked everywhere online and there's no e-mail address for it :(. I'll just have to cross my fingers. It would be great if they could get Thirteen next weekend, since there's nothing I want to see in theaters opening (other than Home Room, but that won't come near me). But the weekend after is packed. There's Cabin Fever, Cold Creek Manor, and Matchstick Men.

yeah,the theater i was hoping/slightly expecting to pick this up got dirty pretty things as well instead too...and yes id also rather have thirteen in its place.
So heres wishing it does well ONCE AGAIN!
And yes,home room looks awesome,but I also doubt its coming anywhere near me...all in all,i agree with you.

[flowrchild]

One of my favorite movies of 2003 so far. Found myself sucked in and hypnotized from the very first scene, and left the theater feeling scared of having my own kids.

This movie shows the dark side of being 13. Desperately wanting to fit in, feeling disconnected from your family, yearning for something more exciting than the mundane hand you've been dealt in life. Many people will see this movie and hate it, thinking that things like this simply do not occur when you are 13. To those people, I highly recommend coming out from the rock from which you've been hiding, and face reality. These things DO happen, and not just in the movies. Sad but true.

The gritty style of the movie entertained me, and impressive that it was directed and cowritten by one of the young stars of the movie. The acting was all around spectacular, especially the performance by Evan Rachel Wood. I have been a fan of hers ever since the show Once And Again, and this is a great break-through performance if ever I saw one. When you are watching this movie, you feel like you are peeking in someone's window and spying on their lives. The acting is just that good.

That being said, this movie is not without its flaws. At times it feels a bit like a cracked out version of an after school special. Some of the transitions seem a bit too abrupt, especially in the very beginning of the movie. Some of the characters we don't get to know all that well. This is a good movie, if not a great one. In other years I may have been harder on it, but this felt like a breath of fresh air to me compared to other 2003 releases.

One more point, is that the movie really is NOT all that shocking or controversial. There are a few scenes that are pretty messed up, but it is nowhere near the shock level of Kids, which I have heard it compared to. It is more accurately like the PG version of that movie. They show minor drug use, kissing, piercings, and slicing of ones arm. There is no sex or anything very gorey or traumatizing. The reason the movie effected me is because I cared about the lead character and I felt bad for her as I watched her life spiral out of control.

Good movie, despite its apparent flaws. 8/10

[XCoRyX]

box office mojo states that this movie is getting bumped up to 111 screens...definetly good to me...

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
box office mojo states that this movie is getting bumped up to 111 screens...definetly good to me...

awesome. I got my friend to wanna c this too, its getting me really anxious.

[Mike]

Originally posted by flowrchild
One of my favorite movies of 2003 so far. Found myself sucked in and hypnotized from the very first scene, and left the theater feeling scared of having my own kids.

This movie shows the dark side of being 13. Desperately wanting to fit in, feeling disconnected from your family, yearning for something more exciting than the mundane hand you've been dealt in life. Many people will see this movie and hate it, thinking that things like this simply do not occur when you are 13. To those people, I highly recommend coming out from the rock from which you've been hiding, and face reality. These things DO happen, and not just in the movies. Sad but true.

The gritty style of the movie entertained me, and impressive that it was directed and cowritten by one of the young stars of the movie. The acting was all around spectacular, especially the performance by Evan Rachel Wood. I have been a fan of hers ever since the show Once And Again, and this is a great break-through performance if ever I saw one. When you are watching this movie, you feel like you are peeking in someone's window and spying on their lives. The acting is just that good.

That being said, this movie is not without its flaws. At times it feels a bit like a cracked out version of an after school special. Some of the transitions seem a bit too abrupt, especially in the very beginning of the movie. Some of the characters we don't get to know all that well. This is a good movie, if not a great one. In other years I may have been harder on it, but this felt like a breath of fresh air to me compared to other 2003 releases.

One more point, is that the movie really is NOT all that shocking or controversial. There are a few scenes that are pretty messed up, but it is nowhere near the shock level of Kids, which I have heard it compared to. It is more accurately like the PG version of that movie. They show minor drug use, kissing, piercings, and slicing of ones arm. There is no sex or anything very gorey or traumatizing. The reason the movie effected me is because I cared about the lead character and I felt bad for her as I watched her life spiral out of control.

Good movie, despite its apparent flaws. 8/10

That's awesome! I was wondering if you were going to check this movie out or not. I'm glad you really liked it. Since you are pretty picky (no offense), an 8/10 from you is pretty damn superb!


My theater STILL isn't getting this Friday :(. Here's hoping that it will come the following weekend. I'll certainly cross my fingers. DAMN! Why did this movie have to be named after an unlucky number? They should have called it 7 (Seven), then maybe I'd get lucky and it would come to my theater ;).

[Slim]

Originally posted by Mike
That's awesome! I was wondering if you were going to check this movie out or not. I'm glad you really liked it. Since you are pretty picky (no offense), an 8/10 from you is pretty damn superb!

Flowr admits to being somewhat biased because she loves Evan Rachel Wood. Which probably means you're going to absolutely love it if your affection for the actress is greater. And I assume it is. ;)

She isn't really picky when you consider some of the movies she actually does like. :D

[MsMoviefan]

Sounds like a story of teenage tramps.And this is supjposed to be semi-autobiographical.yuk.

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by Slim
She isn't really picky when you consider some of the movies she actually does like. :D

Oooh, you so just said that so I'd see this and kick your ass. You bastard. :p

Ladies and gentlemen, let it be known that Slim has confessed to me that he likes the movie Titanic.

He even got a little misty eyed.

:)

And I really did like the movie, Mike. I think you will too.

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by Mike

My theater STILL isn't getting this Friday :(. Here's hoping that it will come the following weekend. I'll certainly cross my fingers. DAMN! Why did this movie have to be named after an unlucky number? They should have called it 7 (Seven), then maybe I'd get lucky and it would come to my theater ;).


yeah i just checked,no other new theaters picked it up around here either,me and you seemingly want to see this one of the most on the boards,yet we cant get a frikkin deal.

[sleekproductions]

This is opening up at not one, not two, but THREE theatres near me, so I will be SURE to check it out this weekend! I'm quite excited!

[EDsoulsurvive*]

closest theater is 40 miuntes away... the trouble is getting in damnit...

[Duke Nukem]

I just saw the movie, and I thought it was pretty good. It found it to be emotionally exhausitng to sit through, which is a good thing, because it hit hard with its message.

In the movie, we get all of the "no-no's" teen girls (and guys) today encounter: drugs, pre-maritel sex, tongue rings, belly button rings, mean attitude, etc. Thankfully, there were no tattoos of all things, thank goodness (at least I don't think I noticed tattoos and needles). Yes, every one of these "no-no's" are used, NOT because the fillmmakers wanted to exploit as much as possible, BUT because this movie is based on the TRUE experiences of a THIRTEEN year old girl, and that ALL the "no-no's" she encountered.

I'm not yelling. I just noticed a lot of "this movie is too unlikely to happen" ranting by some schmoes, and I disagree with that ranting. Yes, it does not happen THAT much these days, but it CAN happen, and this movie proves it.

The movie played realistically with its story of a troubled girl. It does what so many movies avoid and plays it straight. This movie has bulls with all it pulls off, and does it well. The "thirteen" year old girls did really well as the troubled and misguided girls. Holly Hunter was good as well, but not Oscar-material as some like to say. She's good, but not that good. It reminds me of how Francise McDormend was nominated for her "mother" role in "Almost Famous." She was good, not that good.

Otherwise, this was a good movie that any thirteen year old should see. It will teach them a valuable lesson about life, and should most likely lead them to avoid life's "no-no's."

[Mike]

Originally posted by sleekproductions
This is opening up at not one, not two, but THREE theatres near me, so I will be SURE to check it out this weekend! I'm quite excited!

Jesus, why don't you send two of those theaters mine and Cory's way ;).


Originally posted by Duke Nukem
It reminds me of how Francise McDormend was nominated for her "mother" role in "Almost Famous." She was good, not that good.

Yeah, I agree with that. She was good, but she didn't really have much to do and she certainly didn't do anything worthy of an Oscar. I'm sure many other actresses could have given just as good of a performance.

[Mike]

Originally posted by flowrchild
And I really did like the movie, Mike. I think you will too.

I'm pretty certain I'll love it. I would be shocked as hell if I didn't. I absolutely LOVE Wood---wait, that didn't sound right ;).

[Kimmy]

at times like these i wish i lived in the USA

i have to wait for months until it comes out in Belgium.

but the waiting can only make it better, unless the movie's like crap

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by someguy
I don't know the title of the movie but it was on TV a few years ago. The scene went like this:

These kids(who looked like 12)are with a bunch of other kids who look 16-18. The older kids are screaming Coward over and over again when the kid(who is drunk)keeps yelling that he'll do it for five bucks. The kids go around and put money in a dish and come up with five bucks(this took place in older times so 5 bucks was worth more). The kid starts to look really scared while another kid picks up a cat and holds it down on the table. The kid is looking more scared. He comes up to the cat and starts unzipping his pants. It cuts away and you just hear the cat screeching.


A very disturbing scene.

Although I have never seen it...that scene is from the movie GUMMO.

I will NEVER see that peice of trash.

[Mike]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
Although I have never seen it...that scene is from the movie GUMMO.

I will NEVER see that peice of trash.

Damn that movie sounds disturbing. Maybe I will see it, even though it sounds nasty and extremely hard to watch. Damn it, my curiosity has got the best of me. Why? Why? Why? I know I won't fucking like it, and that scene will really bother me, yet I'm still considering submitting myself to that torture :confused:.

[someguy]

Actually the title is Leolo. I looked around. It's not Gummo. It was from a Canadian film called Leolo and which many people say is one of the best movies they've seen.

[Mike]

Woohoo! THIRTEEN made a tad more than last weekend. It's one of the only movies to not drop any. And it only added 35 theaters this weekend, the smallest amount it's added yet. I'm so surprised and happy... Labor Day weekend is a holiday and causes movies to do better and then have bigger drops the following weekend, but THIRTEEN didn't drop. This rocks! Now maybe it will go into more theaters. I hope it comes near me.

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by someguy
Actually the title is Leolo. I looked around. It's not Gummo. It was from a Canadian film called Leolo and which many people say is one of the best movies they've seen.

Oh..well it sounds like a seen that would be out of Gummo since here's the plot description from reel.com

Youth drama about teens hunting cats for lunchmeat through tornado-levelled town. Though critically savaged, its filthy setting, disturbing images may appeal to fans of unsettling fare unbothered by incoherent plotline.

And I thought I heard someone on the boards mention a cat fucking scene in that "movie."

Mike...do you actually think you could watch a movie about kids hunting cats and eating them?

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
Oh..well it sounds like a seen that would be out of Gummo since here's the plot description from reel.com

Youth drama about teens hunting cats for lunchmeat through tornado-levelled town. Though critically savaged, its filthy setting, disturbing images may appeal to fans of unsettling fare unbothered by incoherent plotline.

And I thought I heard someone on the boards mention a cat fucking scene in that "movie."

Mike...do you actually think you could watch a movie about kids hunting cats and eating them?


Well, I did a bit of research and no cats get fucked in the movie but a girl's finger does go into a cats...you know.

Anyways, I'm glad THIRTEEN is doing good.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

woah.. cat fucking! where have i been??

Anyway, its awesome to c Thirteen's success, hopefully, as Mike has said, it will continue to increase its theater count.

[Mike]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
Mike...do you actually think you could watch a movie about kids hunting cats and eating them?

If I ever did, it would be very hard to sit through...


Originally posted by PorcheRacer
Anyways, I'm glad THIRTEEN is doing good.

You are? That's cool. I'm glad you're glad it's doing well. :) I'm glad too, really really really really really glad.

[meltingman]

I don't know about the kids and cats movie.

I guess I would give THIRTEEN a 7/10 or theirabouts.

I thought the film as fairly depressing and exaggerated:

1. Most thirteen year olds are not that naughty.
2. Most thirteen year old mothers are not that problematic.
3. The 13 year old kids seemed much older to me than 13.
4. The characters in the film were much too good looking to be believable, especially the parents.
5. If most popular girls are thieves, hookers, sluts and drug users, failing school and in messed up family structures, I would advise to not become "popular."

Like one of the other members said in a reply, I was hardly shocked, but felt sorry for the main character.

The film seemed to me to be far overated and overpraised by several "critics". It was alright for me, but my 14 year old daughter seemed to like it.

[Mike]

Originally posted by meltingman
I thought the film as fairly depressing and exaggerated:

1. Most thirteen year olds are not that naughty.
2. Most thirteen year old mothers are not that problematic.
3. The 13 year old kids seemed much older to me than 13.
4. The characters in the film were much too good looking to be believable, especially the parents.
5. If most popular girls are thieves, hookers, sluts and drug users, failing school and in messed up family structures, I would advise to not become "popular."


But that's the thing. The movie isn't based on ALL teenagers, it's based on what happened to one girl, on her real experience. Obviously a lot of teens aren't THIS bad, but there's still a hell of a lot of them that are, and this movie is about those "bad" ones.

[XCoRyX]

c'mon dammit somebody closer around here pick this damn movie up...

[Mike]

THIRTEEN made 624,611 this weekend, which is even a tad more than the estimates suggested. It was up 1.3% from last weekend and had a per-screen average of $5,783.


I wish I knew how much it would be expanding this weekend. But it didn't say anything at Box Office Guru, Box Office Mojo, Box Office Prophets, or Hollywood.com, so I have no clue. I don't know where else to check.

[Lynn Minmei]

Thirteen is coming to Cincinnati this week. I may or may not see it, but I feel like it may be good (Please don't hurt me, Mike ) :D

[Mike]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
Thirteen is coming to Cincinnati this week. I may or may not see it, but I feel like it may be good (Please don't hurt me, Mike ) :D

Don't worry. I won't hurt you. As long as you don't waste this opportunity you've been given and you go see it ;).

[Lynn Minmei]

Originally posted by Mike
Don't worry. I won't hurt you. As long as you don't waste this opportunity you've been given and you go see it ;).

Sure thing.

[jackson13]

Working at a grocery store, I see all kinds of people. A little over a month ago and mom and daughter came through my checklane. The mom was your typical mom, but the girl looked most unlike normal young girls look. She had on a spaghetti strap top, with nothing on underneath, and with me being six foot four, I certainly had my eyes full of 'young titties", I mean you could see nipples and everything because the girl was short and the top was extremely loose. The girl had fairly large breasts, and for that reason I automatically thought, 'shes gotta be my age'. She also had her hair dyed a wild blonde, a tounge ring, numerous piercings in each ear, and very short, hig hugging shorts, that when she bent over to pick up her moms saving card that she dropped on the floor, you could see the crack of her ass, meaning she had nothing on underneath those shorts as well. Anyways, with me thinking this girl is my age, I was in high heaven. Here im am, a single guy working a shitty job, and this gorgeous girl comes through my checklane, I get to see her boobs, and then realize she has nothing on under her clothes. It was a good thing I was behind a counter. Long story short, she snatches her moms car keys from her purse, flips her hair into her moms face, and exclaims in a very snotty voice 'im going to the car until your done in here, hurry up". I said outloud, without thinking, 'wow that was rude' and her mother says to me "shes like that all the time, im used to it'. So I said 'how old is she?' and her mom says "13, starting 8th grade this year". I almost fainted. Here I was checking out this gorgeous girl, fully focusing on her breasts that I could easily see, which was the point of her dressing like she was, only to find out she was 13 years old. I felt like a freakin pedophile. I told her mom the usual 'have a nice day' then tried to catch my breath before I started the next order.

Then I realized, well wait, this isnt all that uncommon. My friend Matt, who works with me now, had sex with a now 14 year old girl, and ultimately got her pregnant. The thing is, he wasnt at fault. The girl was with an older friend at a party Matt was at, and she came on to him, and with him thinking she was older, they 'came together" in a bedroom at the party. He found out later, once she was pregnant, that the girl was only 13, and yes, in 8th grade. I had heard all these stories that my friend was a pedophile because he took advantage of a 13 year old girl, and I've even mentioned on this site that I thought he was a despicable person. But he just recently sat down and poured his heart out to me about what happened, and after seeing this girl come through my checklane, basically nude, I beleive him 100%. Hell I remember when I was in 8th grade, it seemed like I was the only one not out partying with the older kids, or even having the shocking act of sex. I was like that all through high school as well. Sure I partied, and drank, and even rebelled a little, but I had no sex. To this day im still that way. Many young girls today, and guys, think it will impress their peers if they do things like get nose/tounge rings, drink, smoke, do drugs, fuck.....etc. The truth is, everyone else is basically doing it and it doesnt make you unique, it makes you just another one of them.


After reading nothing but positive reviews of this movie, and seeing plenty of this stuff actually happen in the town I live in, I am extremely interested in seeing this movie. Mainly because I want to see how 'realistic' it is. Now if it would just come to a theater near me.

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
Thirteen is coming to Cincinnati this week

First the Bengals and now this...

The gods must be mad at ol' Cincy...

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by Mike
If I ever did, it would be very hard to sit through...




You are? That's cool. I'm glad you're glad it's doing well. :) I'm glad too, really really really really really glad.

Well, I just wanted to keep my post on topic but yeah, small movies doing good is cool. Even if this movie does look and sound like trash, a succesful small movie like this will help pave the way for small movies that actually do look good.

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by jackson13
Working at a grocery store, I see all kinds of people. A little over a month ago and mom and daughter came through my checklane. The mom was your typical mom, but the girl looked most unlike normal young girls look. She had on a spaghetti strap top, with nothing on underneath, and with me being six foot four, I certainly had my eyes full of 'young titties", I mean you could see nipples and everything because the girl was short and the top was extremely loose. The girl had fairly large breasts, and for that reason I automatically thought, 'shes gotta be my age'. She also had her hair dyed a wild blonde, a tounge ring, numerous piercings in each ear, and very short, hig hugging shorts, that when she bent over to pick up her moms saving card that she dropped on the floor, you could see the crack of her ass, meaning she had nothing on underneath those shorts as well. Anyways, with me thinking this girl is my age, I was in high heaven. Here im am, a single guy working a shitty job, and this gorgeous girl comes through my checklane, I get to see her boobs, and then realize she has nothing on under her clothes. It was a good thing I was behind a counter. Long story short, she snatches her moms car keys from her purse, flips her hair into her moms face, and exclaims in a very snotty voice 'im going to the car until your done in here, hurry up". I said outloud, without thinking, 'wow that was rude' and her mother says to me "shes like that all the time, im used to it'. So I said 'how old is she?' and her mom says "13, starting 8th grade this year". I almost fainted. Here I was checking out this gorgeous girl, fully focusing on her breasts that I could easily see, which was the point of her dressing like she was, only to find out she was 13 years old. I felt like a freakin pedophile. I told her mom the usual 'have a nice day' then tried to catch my breath before I started the next order.

Then I realized, well wait, this isnt all that uncommon. My friend Matt, who works with me now, had sex with a now 14 year old girl, and ultimately got her pregnant. The thing is, he wasnt at fault. The girl was with an older friend at a party Matt was at, and she came on to him, and with him thinking she was older, they 'came together" in a bedroom at the party. He found out later, once she was pregnant, that the girl was only 13, and yes, in 8th grade. I had heard all these stories that my friend was a pedophile because he took advantage of a 13 year old girl, and I've even mentioned on this site that I thought he was a despicable person. But he just recently sat down and poured his heart out to me about what happened, and after seeing this girl come through my checklane, basically nude, I beleive him 100%. Hell I remember when I was in 8th grade, it seemed like I was the only one not out partying with the older kids, or even having the shocking act of sex. I was like that all through high school as well. Sure I partied, and drank, and even rebelled a little, but I had no sex. To this day im still that way. Many young girls today, and guys, think it will impress their peers if they do things like get nose/tounge rings, drink, smoke, do drugs, fuck.....etc. The truth is, everyone else is basically doing it and it doesnt make you unique, it makes you just another one of them.


After reading nothing but positive reviews of this movie, and seeing plenty of this stuff actually happen in the town I live in, I am extremely interested in seeing this movie. Mainly because I want to see how 'realistic' it is. Now if it would just come to a theater near me.

yeah,girls (Just as much as boys) lie their asses off....i aint defending the guys because i know us guys are dickheads 99 percent of the time,which makes it so damn hard for people like you and I to meet someone...but yeah,I often have a hard time guessing girls ages these days,and am disgusted by the girls that do that type of shit...and its funny and sad at the same time,cause all the shit they do (smoke,drink,fuck) will all bite them in the ass 10 years from now,even sooner,guaranteed...for instance with your friend and his girl incident...i bet she aint too happy now at her previous actions...unless she wanted a kid...but i dont want to talk about your friend and such so im dropping it....bottom line,i can feel where your coming from,and thats damn bad for being a 16 year old...most kids my age would bang a 13 year old even IF they knew her real age,but I like to think differently...

[Mike]

THIRTEEN will cross the 2 Million mark today. That's pretty cool. I wish I knew how much it was going to expand this weekend.

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by Mike
THIRTEEN will cross the 2 Million mark today. That's pretty cool. I wish I knew how much it was going to expand this weekend.

Yay..two whole million :rolleyes:

[someguy]

1. I'm sure you'd be happy if you got two million. I am always baffled on people think that 1 million is not much nowadays.

2. For that movie that's pretty good. Plus it's at least making money.

[Mike]

Originally posted by someguy
1. I'm sure you'd be happy if you got two million. I am always baffled on people think that 1 million is not much nowadays.

2. For that movie that's pretty good. Plus it's at least making money.

A million doesn't really seem like that much by hollywood standards, however, when it's a movie like this and it's in a very limited release, that's pretty fucking good. I think its budget was only 2 Million so that means it will have already made its budget back. Hell, for such a limited release, it didn't take it that long to make it to 2 Million. Before the movie opened I was thinking it might only make 3 Million at the Box Office, but it will definitely surpass that and should be able to make it to 5-6 Million for sure, and maybe more depending on how wide they go with it.

If this was something like Pirates of The Caribbean, 2 Million would seem like a major bomb. But you've got to go by the movie and its budget, you can't group them all together. And for this movie, 2 Million in only around 3 weeks is excellent.

[PorcheRacer]

Originally posted by Mike
A million doesn't really seem like that much by hollywood standards, however, when it's a movie like this and it's in a very limited release, that's pretty fucking good. I think its budget was only 2 Million so that means it will have already made its budget back. Hell, for such a limited release, it didn't take it that long to make it to 2 Million. Before the movie opened I was thinking it might only make 3 Million at the Box Office, but it will definitely surpass that and should be able to make it to 5-6 Million for sure, and maybe more depending on how wide they go with it.

If this was something like Pirates of The Caribbean, 2 Million would seem like a major bomb. But you've got to go by the movie and its budget, you can't group them all together. And for this movie, 2 Million in only around 3 weeks is excellent.

Woo-hoo! Now we can expect FOURTEEN in the near future. I'm estatic...really I am.

Stupid teenagers running around doing "naughty" things...sounds like a great movie. :rolleyes:

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by jackson13
Working at a grocery store, I see all kinds of people. A little over a month ago and mom and daughter came through my checklane. The mom was your typical mom, but the girl looked most unlike normal young girls look. She had on a spaghetti strap top, with nothing on underneath, and with me being six foot four, I certainly had my eyes full of 'young titties", I mean you could see nipples and everything because the girl was short and the top was extremely loose. The girl had fairly large breasts, and for that reason I automatically thought, 'shes gotta be my age'. She also had her hair dyed a wild blonde, a tounge ring, numerous piercings in each ear, and very short, hig hugging shorts, that when she bent over to pick up her moms saving card that she dropped on the floor, you could see the crack of her ass, meaning she had nothing on underneath those shorts as well. Anyways, with me thinking this girl is my age, I was in high heaven. Here im am, a single guy working a shitty job, and this gorgeous girl comes through my checklane, I get to see her boobs, and then realize she has nothing on under her clothes. It was a good thing I was behind a counter. Long story short, she snatches her moms car keys from her purse, flips her hair into her moms face, and exclaims in a very snotty voice 'im going to the car until your done in here, hurry up". I said outloud, without thinking, 'wow that was rude' and her mother says to me "shes like that all the time, im used to it'. So I said 'how old is she?' and her mom says "13, starting 8th grade this year". I almost fainted. Here I was checking out this gorgeous girl, fully focusing on her breasts that I could easily see, which was the point of her dressing like she was, only to find out she was 13 years old. I felt like a freakin pedophile. I told her mom the usual 'have a nice day' then tried to catch my breath before I started the next order.

Then I realized, well wait, this isnt all that uncommon. My friend Matt, who works with me now, had sex with a now 14 year old girl, and ultimately got her pregnant. The thing is, he wasnt at fault. The girl was with an older friend at a party Matt was at, and she came on to him, and with him thinking she was older, they 'came together" in a bedroom at the party. He found out later, once she was pregnant, that the girl was only 13, and yes, in 8th grade. I had heard all these stories that my friend was a pedophile because he took advantage of a 13 year old girl, and I've even mentioned on this site that I thought he was a despicable person. But he just recently sat down and poured his heart out to me about what happened, and after seeing this girl come through my checklane, basically nude, I beleive him 100%. Hell I remember when I was in 8th grade, it seemed like I was the only one not out partying with the older kids, or even having the shocking act of sex. I was like that all through high school as well. Sure I partied, and drank, and even rebelled a little, but I had no sex. To this day im still that way. Many young girls today, and guys, think it will impress their peers if they do things like get nose/tounge rings, drink, smoke, do drugs, fuck.....etc. The truth is, everyone else is basically doing it and it doesnt make you unique, it makes you just another one of them.


After reading nothing but positive reviews of this movie, and seeing plenty of this stuff actually happen in the town I live in, I am extremely interested in seeing this movie. Mainly because I want to see how 'realistic' it is. Now if it would just come to a theater near me.

Those are pretty creepy stories. :eek:

[EDsoulsurvive*]

holy fucking shit! this movie went to my local theater. IM GUNNA SEE IT!!! YAY!

[flowrchild]

I am seeing this movie again tomorrow because my mom is dying to see it. I'm such a good movie-going daughter :D

[Slim]

Originally posted by PorcheRacer
Woo-hoo! Now we can expect FOURTEEN in the near future. I'm estatic...really I am.

Stupid teenagers running around doing "naughty" things...sounds like a great movie. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, Porche. Since I'm not infatuated with Evan Rachel Wood, I didn't find the movie to be all that great. ;)

Flowr is usually a hardass when rating a movie, considering the flaws and everything. I'm so disappointed in her assessment of Thirteen... *shakes head in sorrow* :D

[MadsenOMC]

I think people are making the mistake of assuming that this movie is attempting to represent all girls of this age. It's not. The message isn't supposed to be all teenage girls are like this, and they're all bad. This is based one one girl's experiences. One. That's it. Take it as such, nothing more. It's unfair to judge it in any other way. I don't think A Beautiful Mind is supposed to represent all Math professors.

[Slim]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I think people are making the mistake of assuming that this movie is attempting to represent all girls of this age. It's not. The message isn't supposed to be all teenage girls are like this, and they're all bad. This is based one one girl's experiences. One. That's it. Take it as such, nothing more. It's unfair to judge it in any other way. I don't think A Beautiful Mind is supposed to represent all Math professors.

I certainly didn't consider that as being one of the movie's flaws. My main problem is that it isn't fresh or the least bit insightful, essentially a 100 minute long after-school special. Unlike what some clueless critics may claim, this is no wake-up call or required viewing. If anyone has seen the trailer, then that's the movie in a nutshell.

[HilfigerB2]

I just called one of the local indie/arthouse type theaters whatever you want to call it, and asked if Thirteen was coming there.. and they said yes in 2 weeks.. im soooo FUCKING EXCITED! I can't wait - god I want to see this so bad. Ahh im happy :-)

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by Slim
Flowr is usually a hardass when rating a movie, considering the flaws and everything. I'm so disappointed in her assessment of Thirteen... *shakes head in sorrow* :D

I am not the hard-ass people say I am. Don't believe the rumors circulating about. It's all lies, terrible lies!

I LIKE this movie. Deal with it. Accept it. Love it. ;)

[Mike]

My theater still didn't get it yet. But it's not that surprising since it only added like 50 more theaters.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*
holy fucking shit! this movie went to my local theater. IM GUNNA SEE IT!!! YAY!

actually, this movire didnt go to my local theater. But, what's this, I got to my friends house in the Hamptons and whaddayoukno its playing at a theater down the block. Wait! Now my friend has a bitch attack and says he wont go see it.

A wasted opportunity, I wonder if I'm ever gunna c this...

[Mike]

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*
actually, this movire didnt go to my local theater. But, what's this, I got to my friends house in the Hamptons and whaddayoukno its playing at a theater down the block. Wait! Now my friend has a bitch attack and says he wont go see it.

A wasted opportunity, I wonder if I'm ever gunna c this...

I'd go without him. Some friend! If he was really your friend he would realise how much it means to you and see it. If he's going to be an asshole about it, then I guess he's not really your friend to begin with. I'd do anything for my friends, even if it's not something I really want to do. But that's because I actually care about my friends.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Mike
I'd go without him. Some friend! If he was really your friend he would realise how much it means to you and see it. If he's going to be an asshole about it, then I guess he's not really your friend to begin with. I'd do anything for my friends, even if it's not something I really want to do. But that's because I actually care about my friends.

So, 'Mike,' if I was your best pal and we both lived in the same town, and I said "Hey, there's this new indie flick out! It's getting tons of buzz because they show a cat being brutally killed in one scene, Wanna go see it? It means so much that I go see this film"

Would you say "YES, Sure!" because I'm your friend?

[someguy]

He would go he would jst cover his eyes at the scene or walk out during it. That's what I would do.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dh1989
So, 'Mike,' if I was your best pal and we both lived in the same town, and I said "Hey, there's this new indie flick out! It's getting tons of buzz because they show a cat being brutally killed in one scene, Wanna go see it? It means so much that I go see this film"

Would you say "YES, Sure!" because I'm your friend?

Yes, I actually would. I would probably cover my eyes during that part though, like Someguy pointed out. My friends mean a lot to me and I will do anything for them. If they really want me to do something, I'll do it, even if it's not something I want to do. If a friend wanted me to stand in line all day with them for Backstreet Boys autographs, I would, although I highly doubt I will ever have to do that (thank god!). I would still do it though.

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Mike
Yes, I actually would. I would probably cover my eyes during that part though, like Someguy pointed out. My friends mean a lot to me and I will do anything for them. If they really want me to do something, I'll do it, even if it's not something I want to do. If a friend wanted me to stand in line all day with them for Backstreet Boys autographs, I would, although I highly doubt I will ever have to do that (thank god!). I would still do it though.

Well, 'Mike,' you're a true friend to your friends then. I guess I'm just one of those people who says "Go by yourself, motherfucker" if one of my friends want to go see or do something I don't want to. I did it with Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, 2 Fast 2 Furious, a Rob Zombie concert, and so much more. I am an asshole of a friend. You've opened my eyes. :( ;)

[Tuukka]

I'm looking forward to this film. It seems like a realistic depiction of teen life, which is something we don't see that often.

From what I have gathered, the flick doesn't seem controversial at all. Some people think Kids is controversial, but I thought it was a realistic depiction of teen life. Granted, not all teens are like that, but quite a many are. If Thirteen is "softer" than kids, I don't think I will find it shocking at all.

When I was 13-15 years old, people around me had sex, used drugs, cigarettes and alcohol. They even beated and raped each other and used many extremely cruel ways to humiliate others both physically and mentally. And I was living in a wealthy small town with no big social problems. No poor people. No racial issues. Not too bad unemployment rates. I can only imagine how it is like in big cities with bigger social problems.

[dh1989]

BTW, I may be seeing this on Saturday, but I may opt for Underworld that day. I'm not sure yet. All the good word has gotten me somewhat interested in this, and it couldn't be as bad as another "real teens" flick, Black & White.

[badberry]

Originally posted by dh1989
I guess I'm just one of those people who says "Go by yourself, motherfucker" if one of my friends want to go see or do something I don't want to.

You and me both :)

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by dh1989
I guess I'm just one of those people who says "Go by yourself, motherfucker" if one of my friends want to go see or do something I don't want to.

Ironic you should say that in this thread dh, as I saw this by myself when it first came out :D

[Sparrow]

I saw this movie yesterday and thought it was amazing. I found it to be very true to life. I was a lot like those girls myself when I was about that age and watching the film brought me back to that time in my life in a powerful way. My husband didn't care for the camera style but I liked it and thought it made the film more realistic.

All in all, I thought "Thirteen" was excellent. I haven't read all the posts in this thread so I don't know what the general consensus is, but I myself highly recommend it.

[Ed]

so mike, you would've gone to see "Glitter" or "Gigli" or some other shit if a friend of yours asks you to? Wow man! you one hell of a good friend, 'cause for those movies i'd become one of the "go by yourself, motherfucker" type of friend.

or, if a friend asks you to see a snuff movie w/ him? would you even do that? 'cause that is way discusting.

or, if a friend asks you to smoke crack with him, would you? isn't that part of 'anything' that you said you'd do for a friend?

hehe :D

[Mike]

Originally posted by Ed
so mike, you would've gone to see "Glitter" or "Gigli" or some other shit if a friend of yours asks you to? Wow man! you one hell of a good friend, 'cause for those movies i'd become one of the "go by yourself, motherfucker" type of friend.

or, if a friend asks you to see a snuff movie w/ him? would you even do that? 'cause that is way discusting.

or, if a friend asks you to smoke crack with him, would you? isn't that part of 'anything' that you said you'd do for a friend?

hehe :D

Yes to the Gigli or Glitter. Hell, I actually think Gigli looks good, and will be good and underrated. I'll probably agree with DH on it. Except I think my rating might be a 7/10 (B-). But we'll see.

As for the snuff movie, I know none of my friends would ask me to do that, and if they did, god, I don't know. I wouldn't want to, but I'll do anything for my friends, so there's a good chance I would say yes.

None of my friends do drugs, but if one of my friends was trying it and they wanted me to try it with them, I would. There's no harm in trying it once. I know I wouldn't get hooked.

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by Sparrow
I saw this movie yesterday and thought it was amazing. I found it to be very true to life. I was a lot like those girls myself when I was about that age and watching the film brought me back to that time in my life in a powerful way. My husband didn't care for the camera style but I liked it and thought it made the film more realistic.

Yea I enjoyed it a bunch too. It was handled a lot better than I was expecting when I went to go see it. Personally, I think Holly Hunter's character was the most frustrating in the movie. She was one of those moms who tried to be their kid's best friend, and we all know that just doesn't work out positively. Kids especially at such a crucial age like 13, need a mother, not another pal. I just felt she was very irresponsible in the movie and kept the blinders on to what her daughter was doing, in a way being in denial to make things easier on herself. She did Tracy a huge disservice by being oblivious.

[Sparrow]

Yes, the fact that it took her so long to notice the cuts on her daughter's wrist shows how little she was paying attention.

[flowrchild]

Yea seriously! This movie scared me off from having kids for a while ;)

[badberry]

Originally posted by Mike

As for the snuff movie, I know none of my friends would ask me to do that, and if they did, god, I don't know. I wouldn't want to, but I'll do anything for my friends, so there's a good chance I would say yes.

None of my friends do drugs, but if one of my friends was trying it and they wanted me to try it with them, I would. There's no harm in trying it once. I know I wouldn't get hooked.

Ok, I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're taking it too far. I mean, you have to have a little free will. Didn't they teach you about peer pressure in junior high? :p

Ironic that Mike is saying these things in a thread about Thirteen, a movie in which a girls life is corrupted because of her desire to please and be accepted by a friend. (At least from what I understand of it...I haven't seen the movie).

Don't let anybody else dictate how you live your life. A good lesson for all of ya. ;)

[HilfigerB2]

Originally posted by badberry
Ok, I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're taking it too far. I mean, you have to have a little free will. Didn't they teach you about peer pressure in junior high? :p

Ironic that Mike is saying these things in a thread about Thirteen, a movie in which a girls life is corrupted because of her desire to please and be accepted by a friend. (At least from what I understand of it...I haven't seen the movie).

Don't let anybody else dictate how you live your life. A good lesson for all of ya. ;)

point well made.

[Mystique963]

I'm driving my ass all the way to Denver tonight to see this, I think it looks awesome. A bunch of people said that the trailer sucked, I thought it was heavy and kinda gut renching, not to mention really good. That line that Evan Rachel Wood has: "no bra, no panties..." Jeez! ::shivers::

Anyway, the point of this post is that I heard something really intriguing about this movie. When it first came out, there were a bunch of people who were all going off that the movie is 'over the top' and 'not based on reality at all,' especially about the whole suicide/cutting problem that the main charactor has... or something. The co-writer of the script, that 13 year old co-star shut everyone up really quickly by telling everyone that some teens actually go though that, or worse. My sister's 15 and I know she went through some rough shit a few years ago. Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for kids ago 10 to 17 or something. Get real people, it happens.

Bottom line is that I'm definetly supporting any movie that dares to get into society's face and make us uncomfortable. Forget this blood and gore shit we see so much now, I think that this movie will be the definition of disturbing.

Sincerely,
Lauren

[The Delfonics]

Thirteen - (9/10)

After finally seeing this movie I have to say I was very impressed. The young actresses were great and I even got a kick out of the constant Black culture references. There was a lot of sick truth in this movie but thats what makes it so powerful. Im usually at a loss for words when reviewing art house films and films of this nature because I dont feel the need to write a description of a cool action scene. I really enjoyed this movie til the end. The only things that partially got in the way were the couple of questions I had. Other than that it was solid.


SPOILERS****************

I dont know anything about the real life story so I have some questions. At the end when the black girls start fighting with her, what happens? Was there a reason she didnt write upon this matter further? Or is like real life when the chance of you not seeing those girls again is possible?
Also who was the girl that wrote it?

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by The Delfonics
Thirteen - (9/10)
Also who was the girl that wrote it?

I'm glad you liked it too, Delf. It's my #2 movie of the year. Impressed me oodles and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

The girl who cowrote it was the bad girl of the duo. Evie or whatever. It is semi autobiographical except that in real life, she was the naive innocent one who got hurt from the other girl. So flip the roles around and that was the true story.

[The Delfonics]

Originally posted by flowrchild
I'm glad you liked it too, Delf. It's my #2 movie of the year. Impressed me oodles and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

The girl who cowrote it was the bad girl of the duo. Evie or whatever. It is semi autobiographical except that in real life, she was the naive innocent one who got hurt from the other girl. So flip the roles around and that was the true story.

Thanks flower, any thoughts on my first question? Also I see you commenting on the art house flicks a lot like I do, have you seen Lost in Translation or are you are pumped to see it? Its opening this Friday about 5 minutes from my house.

[flowrchild]

Originally posted by The Delfonics
Thanks flower, any thoughts on my first question? Also I see you commenting on the art house flicks a lot like I do, have you seen Lost in Translation or are you are pumped to see it? Its opening this Friday about 5 minutes from my house.

I didn't answer the first question because I wasn't entirely sure of the right response. I would guess it was the "Or is like real life when the chance of you not seeing those girls again is possible" context. But then again, I'd be pulling that out of the air.

I did see Lost In Translation, just tonight in fact. I thought it was good but I think it's way overhyped for what it is. It's on my top 10 right now at the very bottom. Probably will be booted off after I see some more solid flicks. I think it's worth seeing but don't go in expecting the best movie ever because you'll be disappointed.

[dh1989]

My anticipation has grown for Thirteen, after seeing this completely off-the-wall banner ad for it...

http://www.aintitcool.com/foxsearchlight/120x600_chicken.gif

[The Delfonics]

Originally posted by dh1989
My anticipation has grown for Thirteen, after seeing this completely off-the-wall banner ad for it...

http://www.aintitcool.com/foxsearchlight/120x600_chicken.gif

Lol ZEN CHICKENS ARE COOL, that is one of the best parts of the movie eheh.

[Mike]

Originally posted by badberry
Ok, I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're taking it too far. I mean, you have to have a little free will. Didn't they teach you about peer pressure in junior high? :p

Ironic that Mike is saying these things in a thread about Thirteen, a movie in which a girls life is corrupted because of her desire to please and be accepted by a friend. (At least from what I understand of it...I haven't seen the movie).

Don't let anybody else dictate how you live your life. A good lesson for all of ya. ;)

No, I probably wouldn't go see a snuff movie, and I know I wouldn't have to worry about even being asked to because NONE of my friends would go see a snuff movie. We don't even have snuff movies around here ;). And I wouldn't do something a friend wanted me to out of pure pressure at all. I would do something because I love my friends, and would do pretty much anything for them, unless it was against my morals. So yes, there's some exceptions, but most of the things that I REALLY REALLY REALLY wouldn't want to do due to them being against my morals wouldn't even come up. Most of the things my friends would want me to do for them are do-able, and not against my morals. Those things, even if they are standing in line with them all day for a concert I would dread seeing (like A Backstreet Boys concert), are things I would do for them. Thank god none of my friends actually like Backstreet Boys ;).

[Horror whore]

Oh my God! My theater actually got this movie!

I didn't really think they would for some reason

American Splendor
Rated (R) • 1 hr. 40 min.
1:20pm, 4:10pm, 7:00pm, 9:15pm
Cabin Fever
Rated (R) • 1 hr. 34 min.
9:20pm
The Fighting Temptations
Rated (PG-13) • 2 hrs. 3 min.
1:00pm, 3:55pm, 6:30pm, 9:05pm
Lost in Translation
Rated (R) • 1 hr. 45 min.
12:30pm, 2:40pm, 4:50pm, 7:10pm, 9:25pm
Luther
Rated (PG-13) • 1 hr. 52 min.
1:10pm, 3:50pm, 6:25pm, 9:00pm
Matchstick Men
Rated (PG-13) • 1 hr. 56 min.
1:15pm, 4:00pm, 6:40pm, 9:10pm
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl
Rated (PG-13) • 2 hrs. 23 min.
12:45pm, 3:45pm, 6:35pm
Thirteen
Rated (R) • 1 hr. 40 min.
1:30pm, 4:20pm, 7:15pm, 9:35pm

Now I feel kind of bad that it comes to my theatre and I don't even want to see it....

[Mystique963]

For everyone who's seen it, why's it rated R?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Mystique963
For everyone who's seen it, why's it rated R?

Well, it has over 40 "F" words in it, so I think that might be one reason :D.


Thanks a lot Horror Whore. You thief. You get movies like Kissing Jessica Stein, May, and Thirteen. Well, the first two went to your art theater, but STILL. You get everything I want to see and you don't, and I get Dorm Daze (need I say more?). That's just too funny, and yet it sucks for me ;). You should check the movie out. You could always just sneak into it with friends. It's the least you could do for me. Come on! I have to live through you, since you were lucky enough to get it :p.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Mike
Thanks a lot Horror Whore. You thief. You get movies like Kissing Jessica Stein, May, and Thirteen. Well, the first two went to your art theater, but STILL. You get everything I want to see and you don't, and I get Dorm Daze (need I say more?). That's just too funny, and yet it sucks for me ;). You should check the movie out. You could always just sneak into it with friends. It's the least you could do for me. Come on! I have to live through you, since you were lucky enough to get it :p.

This one is at my art theater too. It's not fully an art theater, because it still gets a lot of wide releases, but it's also the only theater in my town which gets the limited releases. It was the only theater in my area to get Wrong Turn, 28 Days Later, and Alex and Emma, so I wouldn't call it an art theater... I'm going to have a busy weekend, and I've had a hectic week at school, so I probably won't be going to the movies this weekend, and if I do, I don't think I'd drive the extra 25 minutes into the ghetto to see this one. ;)

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
This one is at my art theater too. It's not fully an art theater, because it still gets a lot of wide releases, but it's also the only theater in my town which gets the limited releases. It was the only theater in my area to get Wrong Turn, 28 Days Later, and Alex and Emma, so I wouldn't call it an art theater... I'm going to have a busy weekend, and I've had a hectic week at school, so I probably won't be going to the movies this weekend, and if I do, I don't think I'd drive the extra 25 minutes into the ghetto to see this one. ;)

Ahh, I had just assumed this one was your regular theater since it had movies that were released wide playing too. You should give this one a shot on video sometime though. I'd actually think it would be something that would appeal to you, since you're a teenager as well. It's not some softcore teen porno if that's what you're thinking, I heard there's not really any sex at all. Now if Larry Clark did this movie, well, I'm sure you can just imagine how it would be ;).

[Duke Nukem]

There is sex in "Thirteen," but it's implied. They don't really show anything or exploit it, but they give you a good enough idea of what's going on. It's definitely not porn, soft or hard.

[Mystique963]

Okay, thanks for the rating info all. I was a little wary about seeing it if it was a bunch of little girls getting it on. That's a little too creepy for me. :)

Sincerely,
Lauren

[Mike]

Originally posted by Mystique963
I was a little wary about seeing it if it was a bunch of little girls getting it on. That's a little too creepy for me. :)

Gee, I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to see that :p.

But anyway, yeah, I think the main reason it's rated R is for the language and mature subject matter.

[Slim]

Originally posted by Mystique963
For everyone who's seen it, why's it rated R?

Profanity, drug use, self-mutilation, and nudity. There's also a little sex in there, but nothing graphic.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Mike
Ahh, I had just assumed this one was your regular theater since it had movies that were released wide playing too. You should give this one a shot on video sometime though. I'd actually think it would be something that would appeal to you, since you're a teenager as well. It's not some softcore teen porno if that's what you're thinking, I heard there's not really any sex at all. Now if Larry Clark did this movie, well, I'm sure you can just imagine how it would be ;).

I never really thought it looked like a teen porno, just like some run of the mill Lifetime movie. I see enough girls like this at school, I think it's sickening the way they act, I don't really need to watch a movie about them.

[Slim]

Originally posted by Horror whore
I never really thought it looked like a teen porno, just like some run of the mill Lifetime movie. I see enough girls like this at school, I think it's sickening the way they act, I don't really need to watch a movie about them.

I don't get Lifetime, but I assume their movies must be banal shit. I like to use the words, "glorified after school special" to describe Thirteen.

[idealdiscountdude]

Thirteen reasons why Thirteen is the Best Film of 2003 thus far:

1. Evan Rachel Wood's Oscar worthy performance as Tracy. She carried the entire film on her shoulders with such ease. A brutal, yet beautiful performance.

2. Catherine Hardwicke and co-star Nikki Reed's brilliant screenplay. I forsee an Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay come January. Gut-wrenching, shocking, and superbly written.

3. Nikki Reed's performance as Evie, the most popular girl in school. Manipulative, but somehow sweet, Reed's breakthrough performance is astounding.

4. Holly Hunter as Tracy's recently divorced, trying to work on her life and fix her mistakes while trying to raise her children and make ends meet, mother Mel. Hunter never ceases to amaze me, but somehow, she was a bit overshadowed by Wood and Reed, just a little....but man, what a trifecta of performances! Hunter, Wood, Reed,.....I hope there are Oscar nominations fr all 3 in the future.

5. Hardwicke's grainy yet personal direction really made the film intense. The extreme close-ups, the actors expressions, were given more depth thanks to her skillfull direction.

6. The film wasn't just about teenage girls gone wild, it is a film about acceptance and communication......I would go into more detail and explain why, but I don't want to ruin the film for anybody.

7. The supporting players, including Brady Corbet as Tracy's brother Mason who sees his sister's self-destruction and tries to get her to wise up, Jeremy Sisto as Mel's rehabilitated boyfriend, Deborah Kara Unger as Evie's selfish "Frankenstein" of a guardian, and Kip Pardue in a small role as Tracy's neighbor whom in a raw, yet humorous moment deems Tracy and Evie "jailbait".

8. The realistic depiction of broken homes and the effects that the situation has on youth.

9. The realistic approach the film took, rather than tumbling towards a mushy, "Im reformed" happy ending.

10. Thirteen is never, not once manipulative......

11. The complexity of the characters, specifically Tracy and Mel, and how both mother and daughter through the course of the film expose themsleves a little bit at a time. Tracy is not just suffering, Mel is too, even long before her daughter.

12. The "cutting" scenes are some of the most effective in the film. They depict Tracy at her most vulnerable. Wood's expressions during these scenes are phenomenal, truly moving.

13. It's just a brilliant film.

I give it an A

It's rather interesting that of the 5 best female performances of 2003 that I have seen, 16 year olds and under take 3 of those 5 spots. In order:

1.Evan Rachel Wood "Thirteen"
2.Keisha Castle-Hughes "Whale Rider"
3.Jamie Lee Curtis "Freaky Friday"
4.Nikki Reed "Thirteen"
5.Eileen Walsh "The Magdalene Sisters"

[Slim]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
2. Catherine Hardwicke and co-star Nikki Reed's brilliant screenplay. I forsee an Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay come January. Gut-wrenching, shocking, and superbly written.

:eek: I know you like the movie and that's fine, but this is a bit much. I wouldn't use any variation of the word "brilliant" to describe the screenplay. Not even "good."

[Mike]

Originally posted by Slim
:eek: I know you like the movie and that's fine, but this is a bit much. I wouldn't use any variation of the word "brilliant" to describe the screenplay. Not even "good."

That's YOUR opinion. You can't just say it like it's a FACT. If others thought the screenplay was great or brilliant, that's THEIR opinion.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Slim
I don't get Lifetime, but I assume their movies must be banal shit. I like to use the words, "glorified after school special" to describe Thirteen.

Yes, Lifetime movies are all awful and they all have the same plot. And 99.9% of them star Tori Spelling for some reason.

I may watch Thirteen sometime next year when it appears on Lifetime. ;) Lets just hope I don't get sick from the pointless camera zooms.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
Yes, Lifetime movies are all awful and they all have the same plot. And 99.9% of them star Tori Spelling for some reason.

And don't forget Traci Gold ;).

[dh1989]

Originally posted by Mike
And don't forget Traci Gold ;).

Yes, but Tracey was a Seaver back in the 80's, so she's still cool in my book. :)

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by Slim
:eek: I know you like the movie and that's fine, but this is a bit much. I wouldn't use any variation of the word "brilliant" to describe the screenplay. Not even "good."

Like Mike (sorry for the bad movie pun ;)) said it is your opinion and this is mine.

But I don't feel like a total dolt considering the fact that both Ebert and Roeper as well as the notoriously fickle Entertainment Weekly critics praised the screenplay, like I did. I guess the screenplay affected us much more than you. It's all a matter of like and dislike.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dh1989
Yes, but Tracey was a Seaver back in the 80's, so she's still cool in my book. :)

And Tori was a, um, a, ahh forget it----a bitch ;).

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
Like Mike (sorry for the bad movie pun ;))

Haha! That's funny... :)

[Mystique963]

OMG! Slim, have you seen the movie?! ;)

idealdiscountdude, I couldn't agree more with your review of it. I saw it last Friday and I couldn't have planned to be more amazed! Jeez, I stand in awe of Evan Rachel Wood and bow down to the new young adult goddes of drama. Talk about seriously gut renching. My friend who I saw it with started crying a half hour into it and didn't stop till we got to the lobby afterwards. The cutting scenes alone are enough to throw this movie into the books for intensity. During the second cutting scene a grown man sitting in front of me actually threw his hands up and left for 2 minutes till it was over. The movie was so incredibly realistic and absolutly beautifully made that it easily got thrown into my books for one of the best movies I've ever seen. It MUST be nominated for Oscar's, several of them. Definetly for best acress (Evan Rachel Wood and Holly Hunter) and ABSOLUTLY for Best Origional Screenplay. ::standing applause for Nikki Reed, both for acting and writing::

I give an A, **** out of ****.

[Slim]

Originally posted by Mike
That's YOUR opinion. You can't just say it like it's a FACT. If others thought the screenplay was great or brilliant, that's THEIR opinion.

Umm... yeah it is my opinion. Mike, I wasn't implying my opinion was fact. I'll quote myself to prove it and I'll even bold the important parts... just for you!

I know you like the movie and that's fine, but this is a bit much. I wouldn't use any variation of the word "brilliant" to describe the screenplay. Not even "good."

I don't understand how that sentence and the wording which refers specifically to me, makes it seem like a fact.

Just calm down, buddy. You don't have to take it personally and have to remind me about opinions. Haven't you gotten on your soapbox and done this before? :D

[flowrchild]

*Stands on Soapbox*

Slim should be kicked out of this thread for having the incorrect opinion on the movie. Everyone else likes it, Slim dislikes it, therefore he is wrong and should be banished. Majority rule!

*Gets off Soapbox*

;)

[Mystique963]

Here here!! ::raises fist in agreement::

;)

[Mike]

Originally posted by Slim
Umm... yeah it is my opinion. Mike, I wasn't implying my opinion was fact. I'll quote myself to prove it and I'll even bold the important parts... just for you!



I don't understand how that sentence and the wording which refers specifically to me, makes it seem like a fact.

Just calm down, buddy. You don't have to take it personally and have to remind me about opinions. Haven't you gotten on your soapbox and done this before? :D


Well, sorry, but to me it did seem like that's the way you meant it.

[Slim]

Originally posted by Mike
Well, sorry, but to me it did seem like that's the way you meant it.

Okay, well that's not the way it was meant to be interpreted. I'm just stating my opinion as usual. Which everyone should be encouraged to.

Well, Mike. What are your thoughts on Thirteen? ;)

[Slim]

Originally posted by flowrchild
*Stands on Soapbox*

Slim should be kicked out of this thread for having the incorrect opinion on the movie. Everyone else likes it, Slim dislikes it, therefore he is wrong and should be banished. Majority rule!

*Gets off Soapbox*

;)

*tear*

All right! I know when my opinion is not wanted! No more negativity from me. I'll keep quiet while all of you tell the world how great this film is. That it can cure cancer, AIDS, Pestilence, and Disease. Sorry for futilely attempting to lower its godlike status at the moment. ;) :D

[Mystique963]

*pats Slim on the back*

Welcome back! :)

Hey Mike, I agree, what were your thoughts on the film?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Slim
Okay, well that's not the way it was meant to be interpreted. I'm just stating my opinion as usual. Which everyone should be encouraged to.

Well, Mike. What are your thoughts on Thirteen? ;)

Ok, all is forgiven... :)

And by the way, is that question meant as some kind of a sick joke? Because I've been DYING to see it but haven't been lucky enough to get to see it. :( You are just rubbing it in my face that you have seen it and I haven't :p.

Hopefully it comes to a theater around here this weekend. It would be perfect. My mom actually has the weekend off from work (Saturday and Sunday anyway) for once and her, my dad, and I are going shopping Saturday, then out to eat, and to a movie. Just like old times. It was always a lot of fun and I'm really looking forward to doing it again. I'm praying that Thirteen comes this weekend. It would be so fucking perfect. Then my parents could see it too. I've told my mom about it and she wants to see it. I would be fucking thrilled if it comes this weekend. If it does, I'll be seeing it. I love Evan Rachel Wood, and have been dying to see this film.

[Mike]

JESUS! My theater STILL isn't getting this this weekend. Grrrr.... I'm so pissed.

Does anyone have a list of all of the theaters in Minnesota that will be showing THIRTEEN this weekend?

[Mystique963]

Mike, what part of Minnesota do you live in? I can check for you if you want. You totally have to see it. Sorry, I don't think we meant to rub it in your face :).

Just a quick question for you too, a little off topic, but who are the kids in your buddy icon? One of them looks like Evan Rachel Wood and the guy looks familiar... but who's the other one?

Good luck finding the movie!

Sincerely,
Lauren

[Mike]

Originally posted by Mystique963
Mike, what part of Minnesota do you live in? I can check for you if you want. You totally have to see it. Sorry, I don't think we meant to rub it in your face :).

Just a quick question for you too, a little off topic, but who are the kids in your buddy icon? One of them looks like Evan Rachel Wood and the guy looks familiar... but who's the other one?

Good luck finding the movie!

Sincerely,
Lauren

No, I know you didn't mean to rub it in my face. ;)

I've checked theaters in my area, well, within an hour from me, and no place is playing it. I'm wondering where the nearest place playing it is. I live by Randall, Minnesota.

As for the pics in my avatar. One is Evan Rachel Wood from Thirteen ;), one is of The O.C. on Fox, and another is of my Anna Faris from MAY, SCARY MOVIE 1 & 2, THE HOT CHICK, LOST IN TRANSLATION, etc...

[Mystique963]

I like your aviator a lot. I don't know what kitty porn is, but I'm sure it's bad and must be stopped :)

I'll see what I can find about your theatres.

[Mike]

Hey guys! You can vote for THIRTEEN actresses Evan Rachel Wood, Holly Hunter, and Nikki Reed at the "HOLLYWOOD MOVIE AWARDS."

Hurry! It ends soon...

Here's the link:

http://www.hollywoodawards.com/news/2003/nomineesmya2003.html