For All Who Have Witnessed Freddy Vs. Jason (SPOILERS)

[DevilMonkey]

We'll the movie is called "Freddy Vs. Jason" because they do fight each other, but in the end is there a winner? I myself think there is a winner but others say it was a draw or this will happen and so and so will loose. We'll I think the winner was Jason because he came out of the water "killed" Freddy with the glove then wen't back in the water getting the last laugh of the film because after that Lori cuts Freddy's head off. Anyone also agree or disagree?

[ilovemovies]

You could certainly argue that Jason won but I myself like to believe it was a tie since Freddy rocks and Jason doesn't ;) . There was no clear cut winner.

Actually Jason does rock in this movie. I've never really liked Jason but he's cool here.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
You could certainly argue that Jason won but I myself like to believe it was a tie since Freddy rocks and Jason doesn't ;) . There was no clear cut winner.

Actually Jason does rock in this movie. I've never really liked Jason but he's cool here.

Agreed 100%...

When Jason's head popped out of the water 2/3 of my theater went wild (there were clearly more Jason fans there) but when Freddy winked, I clapped really hard and cheered as loud as I could (I think I scared the little boy right next to me...) That was a great theater-going expirience...

[Dream Warrior]

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o.k. here's the truth. Yes, the truth. Freddy won. A: he was the last man standing and that girl chopped off his head, Not Jason.
B: When Jason come out of the water, he is obviously knocked out or dead because he's back in Freddy's World. Proof: Well, he has all five fingers carying freddy's head and freddy can't blink in the real world when he's dead, he's in the dream world. Like i said before. No one dies, Freddy can die in the real world but he always ends up back in the dream world. Jason can't die, he's a zombie for crying out loud. So it's a draw. But Freddy kicked more ass. I love this film.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by Dream Warrior
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o.k. here's the truth. Yes, the truth. Freddy won. A: he was the last man standing and that girl chopped off his head, Not Jason.
B: When Jason come out of the water, he is obviously knocked out or dead because he's back in Freddy's World. Proof: Well, he has all five fingers carying freddy's head and freddy can't blink in the real world when he's dead, he's in the dream world. Like i said before. No one dies, Freddy can die in the real world but he always ends up back in the dream world. Jason can't die, he's a zombie for crying out loud. So it's a draw. But Freddy kicked more ass. I love this film.

woaaahhhhh. I never thought of iot like that. Maybe Jason didn't win after all....

but I still think he did!

[Shockwave]

i could agrue forever about who won, thats the cool thing about it, but i gotta say i think JASON won the fight. (because everyone loves jason)

He impaled Freddy with his own claw-arm before sinking into the lake with his eyes wide open, he just had so much taken outta him he had to rest while Freddy was on his knees gaging for breath, and bleeding gallons of blood, while trying to figure out what the hell just happened.:confused:

[Mike]

Freddy rocks! Jason is stronger, but Freddy is much smarter. Jason just seems like a big dumb jock (minus the jock part, unless chopping up teenagers has become a sport). At the end of the movie, I didn't give it much thought and just assumed Jason won (which was surprising because Freddy has the brains and I thought if anyone won it would be him), but now that I think of it, neither really won. Jason shouldn't get credit when Lori (Monica Keena) is the one who chopped off Freddy's head. God, Jason just has to steal all the credit, that's so pathetic of him, what a cheater ;).

[A.J. Hakari]

*Even though most of it's already been discussed, might as well put up a SPOILERS warning*






I had a feeling Freddy would have the last laugh, but it's glad to see underdog Jason come close to beating him. Now let's see how Freddy would do against Uber-Jason from #10...

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by Adam J. Hakari
I had a feeling Freddy would have the last laugh, but it's glad to see underdog Jason come close to beating him. Now let's see how Freddy would do against Uber-Jason from #10...

Bomb at the box office.

[harpian]

ARRRgh!!

Why did that blonde bitch have to interfere?!?!


-Freddy was still alive after Jason rammed his claw arm through his chest, AND Jason had already fallen into the water.

-BUT Jason had technically gotten in the last hit. AND they showed him with his eyes open after Freddy's head went flying.

-YET if the bimbo hadn't chopped Freddy's head off, he would've still been standing as Jason was at the bottom of the lake, "sleeping".

-Not to mention, at the end, they didn't show Jason alive, we were back in Jason's head (or dream), and Freddy was still alive, living in Jason's head, while Jason was defeated at the bottom of the lake.

So I'm leaning towards Freddy. But then again I'm biased cuz I love Freddy waay more than Jason.

Ah, I could argue my points for hours *wipes away tear* I love this movie.


On a side note, I'm kinda mad at New Line cuz they kept on saying that there was a "CLEAR CUT WINNER".

MY ASS.

I liked the ending and all, but they shouldn't have been saying that crap when it wasn't true. BAH.

[Lazy Boy]

Originally posted by harpian
ARRRgh!!

Why did that blonde bitch have to interfere?!?!

On a side note, I'm kinda mad at New Line cuz they kept on saying that there was a "CLEAR CUT WINNER".

MY ASS.

I liked the ending and all, but they shouldn't have been saying that crap when it wasn't true. BAH.

Yeah, those two things bugged me, too. It was marketed as "Freddy vs. Jason," winner kills all, not Monica Keena being the one to chop off Freddy's head. I wanted Jason to do it, damn it!! ;)

I wasn't as enthused about the final shot as most people were.

[chasingbanky]

This is the way I see it....Freddy and Jason are both still alive therefore no one fuckin won....Secondly I think they're still both in the regular world ....I believe they did this so they can have a sequel...Now the sequel I can see the two of them teaming up and either killin a bunch of kids(then losing cuz that's how these kinda things work) or getting their asses kicked BY ASH BABY!!!!!!!!!!! I mean of course there wasn't gonna be a clear winner that wouldn't be good buissiness....That's the way i see it all.

[movielover999]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
Yeah, those two things bugged me, too. It was marketed as "Freddy vs. Jason," winner kills all, not Monica Keena being the one to chop off Freddy's head. I wanted Jason to do it, damn it!! ;)

I wasn't as enthused about the final shot as most people were.

A better title would have been:

Freddy vs. Jason. vs Monica Keena!!!

B*tch kills all!!!

[Invincible]

Originally posted by Dream Warrior
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o.k. here's the truth. Yes, the truth. Freddy won. A: he was the last man standing and that girl chopped off his head, Not Jason.
B: When Jason come out of the water, he is obviously knocked out or dead because he's back in Freddy's World. Proof: Well, he has all five fingers carying freddy's head and freddy can't blink in the real world when he's dead, he's in the dream world. Like i said before. No one dies, Freddy can die in the real world but he always ends up back in the dream world. Jason can't die, he's a zombie for crying out loud. So it's a draw. But Freddy kicked more ass. I love this film.

Whoa, you sure clear up a lot of things!!! I'd like to believe you on this one! I loved this movie too! and that last shot in slow mo, with jason coming out, was BADASS!!! classic for a slasher film like that.

[harpian]

Hmmmmmm....... I just thought of a few things.....

Freddy stuck his claws in to Jason eyes, and the blood gushed out.

Is it just me... but wouldn't this make Jason blind?

A moment after Freddy did it, Jason reaches up and stops Freddy's arm from swingin down on him with the machete.... and proceeds to fight him for the rest of the movie as if he had perfect vision.

It just seems a little odd that one can do this once they've had their eyes poked out with razor blades.

True, he's a zombie and all that, but if Jason had had his arm torn off or something, it wouldn't of just grown back.
I mean, they're freaking EYEBALLS, man! It's not like, "Oh, you smush my eyeballs, comrade, but ahahhahaha *POP* now they are back again!"

So, I was thinkin, they never showed Freddy's claw go into Jason's GOOD eye, due to the camera angle of that shot, we're only positive on his BAD eye getting turned to pulp... BUT it was definitely IMPLIED that Freddy got both eyes, and Freddy's got more than one blade on that hand to go into more than one eye socket, so why wouldn't he stick them in both?

Even MORE mysterious, is that after Freddy's decapitated (*sniff*), we see a close-up of Jason floatin in the water... BOTH his eyes are fine (as fine as Jason's eyes could be), and he closes his left one and goes under the water.

Errr........ kay.

Here's my point.... Jason should've been blind. Thus, he wouldn't have been able to rip Freddy's arm off, or shove it through his chest. Therefore, Freddy is technically the winner.

HA!

Oh, and here's another mindbender:
The blonde bimbo Lori had her right hand burned to high hell when her boy toy was draggin her unconscious body away from Jason. It caused her to wake up and bring Freddy out of the dream with her.

Ummm... that looked like it HURT. I don't know about you, but everytime I see that part, I freaking CRINGE, cuz her hand is just SITTIN in the fire for like 5 whole seconds. She's gotta be totin some serious 3rd degree burns on that sucker.

Yet...

She still manages to use it like it's fine, ie; spraying the gas on the dock (that stupid whore), running with those pieces of burning wood, and then of course gripping the machete to cut Fred's head off.

True, one could always use the "adrenaline" angle.... but I think that's kinda pushing it.... that hand shoulda been OUT of commission. Therefore rendering her incapable of decapitating our boy Mr. Krueger.

Thus, Freddy wins again!

Anyone else got any theories on this?

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by harpian
Hmmmmmm....... I just thought of a few things.....

Freddy stuck his claws in to Jason eyes, and the blood gushed out.

Is it just me... but wouldn't this make Jason blind?

A moment after Freddy did it, Jason reaches up and stops Freddy's arm from swingin down on him with the machete.... and proceeds to fight him for the rest of the movie as if he had perfect vision.

It just seems a little odd that one can do this once they've had their eyes poked out with razor blades.

True, he's a zombie and all that, but if Jason had had his arm torn off or something, it wouldn't of just grown back.
I mean, they're freaking EYEBALLS, man! It's not like, "Oh, you smush my eyeballs, comrade, but ahahhahaha *POP* now they are back again!"

So, I was thinkin, they never showed Freddy's claw go into Jason's GOOD eye, due to the camera angle of that shot, we're only positive on his BAD eye getting turned to pulp... BUT it was definitely IMPLIED that Freddy got both eyes, and Freddy's got more than one blade on that hand to go into more than one eye socket, so why wouldn't he stick them in both?

Even MORE mysterious, is that after Freddy's decapitated (*sniff*), we see a close-up of Jason floatin in the water... BOTH his eyes are fine (as fine as Jason's eyes could be), and he closes his left one and goes under the water.

Errr........ kay.

Here's my point.... Jason should've been blind. Thus, he wouldn't have been able to rip Freddy's arm off, or shove it through his chest. Therefore, Freddy is technically the winner.

HA!

Oh, and here's another mindbender:
The blonde bimbo Lori had her right hand burned to high hell when her boy toy was draggin her unconscious body away from Jason. It caused her to wake up and bring Freddy out of the dream with her.

Ummm... that looked like it HURT. I don't know about you, but everytime I see that part, I freaking CRINGE, cuz her hand is just SITTIN in the fire for like 5 whole seconds. She's gotta be totin some serious 3rd degree burns on that sucker.

Yet...

She still manages to use it like it's fine, ie; spraying the gas on the dock (that stupid whore), running with those pieces of burning wood, and then of course gripping the machete to cut Fred's head off.

True, one could always use the "adrenaline" angle.... but I think that's kinda pushing it.... that hand shoulda been OUT of commission. Therefore rendering her incapable of decapitating our boy Mr. Krueger.

Thus, Freddy wins again!

Anyone else got any theories on this?

All sorts of shit happens to Jason in every goddamn movie but he always comes back don't he? So you could blow him up and he'd still come back....SO then yes his eyes would heal and he prolly would grow a new arm...As for that one broad running around cuttin things wit her bad hand...I got nothin

[Korny]

Originally posted by DevilMonkey
We'll the movie is called "Freddy Vs. Jason" because they do fight each other, but in the end is there a winner? I myself think there is a winner but others say it was a draw or this will happen and so and so will loose. We'll I think the winner was Jason because he came out of the water "killed" Freddy with the glove then wen't back in the water getting the last laugh of the film because after that Lori cuts Freddy's head off. Anyone also agree or disagree?

agreed

[Helter-Skelter]

I'm thinking it was a tie although I maybe biases seeing as how I like Freddy FAR better than Jason. Jason maybe a no nonsense bad-ass, but Freddy's got personality & personality goes a long a way... especially if you happen to be a malvalent homicidal dream-demon ;)

You know, neither of them can truly die. Both have been killed in almost every conceivable way throughout each series, & still they keep coming back (whenever another sequel calls that is ;) ) So if you were to do away with the "who killed who" aspect of their fight and just concentrate on who kicked whose ass more, then I'd go with Freddy. But as I said, I'm biased.

Overall I think that Jason took a much harsher beating than Freddy & if Monica Keena didn't cut off Freddy's head, he may have won.

The theory about the end being a dream is entirely plausible & since I'm a Freddy fan I like this theory....

By the way, for those who root for Jason over Freddy, I have to ask, what do you see in that murderous retard?:confused:

[Scully1888]

The part I couldn't understand was...

When the propane tanks blew up at the end, with an explosion as huge as that, surely the pier/dock would have been obliterated? But no, after the World's Largest Explosion Of All Time™, that wooden pier is fine.

[MadsenOMC]

I've always liked Jason much more than Freddy. Freddy's cool in the first Nightmare but he's incredibly lame after that. And he gets dumber as the Nightmare series progresses. Way too many stupid one-liners. Neither one is scary anymore, but give me Jason any day of the week.

[DaveyJoeG]

I think the ending was made ambigious deliberately so no matter who you wanted to win you would be satisfied. We can't have half the crowd leaving the theater pissed cause the other guy won. The Jason fans were happy seeing him exit the lake holding Freddy's head. The Freddy fans got the wink at the end. So everybody leaves happy, you can interpret it however you like. Who was I rooting for? Jason.:D

[FeverDog420]

I'm posting this here 'cause the other thread is waay too long to go through right now.

Snuck into Freddy Vs. Jason after seeing Thirteen, but I'm not gonna get into how confused and half-assed the plotting is. I just want to know when Camp Crystal Lake became within driving distance from Elm Street. And how convenient there was an array of makeshift artillery waiting there for the showdown. Tell me why a dozen oxygen tanks were just lying around an abandoned campsite.

And, did I miss something? Why did Jason have to be returned to Crystal Lake? (And, hey, wasn't it renamed "Forest Green" in Part 6?) Something was said about Jason being afraid of water. WTF? Who else remembers him (again, in Jason Lives) walking into the lake when Tommy was calling him "maggot head"? Sure wasn't afraid of getting wet then.

And don't get me started on the Freddy-piller. When and how did the stoner dude get to sleep while toking up in a mental hospital? I don't recall him lying down to catch a few winks...

And what an understaffed hospital that was. One guard? Lucky for Jason.

And could Lochlyn Munro have any less to do with the plot? What happened to him at the end?

Speaking of the characters, I was surprised to discover the apparent popularity of breast augmentation in the teenage demographic. I've seen realer breasts on late-night Skinemax.

I will give some credit to this movie, though: It is by far the goriest chapter in either series. Blood and really graphic violence was wall to wall here (not that I'm complaining; seeing Kelly Rowland hacked to pieces was a welcome sight). But how did this get an R? It's dismaying to reflect that this gorefest got the same MPAA rating as Almost Famous and Waking Life. Add another plaque to the Jack Valenti Wall of Shame.

That reminds me. A family with young children were seated a few rows away from me. Mom apparently had no problem with the through-the-roof level of violence, but felt compelled to tell her kid to cover his eves during the opening skinny-dipping scene. Sad, really, but indicative of the warped values the majority of Americans hold.

[Quiver]

Originally posted by Scully1888
The part I couldn't understand was...

When the propane tanks blew up at the end, with an explosion as huge as that, surely the pier/dock would have been obliterated? But no, after the World's Largest Explosion Of All Time™, that wooden pier is fine.

On a similar note...

I was sure that after the propane tanks were set on fire, Monica and Jason Ritter were running AWAY from the lake, yet when the tanks pop, they are shown jumping into the lake, and when they get out, they climb onto the dock. Maybe I misjudged, and they were running towards the lake.

Oh, and the "blades throught the eyes" thing with Jason bugged me as well. Jason has a tremendous healing ability, but I doubt he could regenerate his eyes that quickly.

Other than that (and the fact that every single wound that was inflicted throughout the movie spurted blood for 10 feet) , I thought it was a great movie. Definitly one of my favorites from both series.

[g05]

i haven't seen the movie yet and reading all these spoilers just makes me more excited to see it. i'm more of a freddy fan, but i think it would be cool to see jason and freddy driving around in k.i.t.t. because then they can kill in style!

[ZoMBiEPeEpSHoW]

Woah! Some of you are analyzing this waaayy too much!

Anyways. I just came back from seeing this bad boy, and all I have to say is Freddy kicked Jason's ass around quite more than vice versa. I mean, just look at how many time Freddy hacked the fucker on the pier when he got a hold of his machete.

As for the winner? Who cares! No one won. It was fun.

[XCoRyX]

I didnt declare any real winner...

[DevilMonkey]

You guys are analyzing this very we'll. I now think Freddy won, because of many reasons. . .

[XCoRyX]

The last 2 people I have asked (1 is a semi horror fan,the other is my bro who isnt high on horror,only watches them cause I make him) said that Jason won....I don't see how either won...

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
The last 2 people I have asked (1 is a semi horror fan,the other is my bro who isnt high on horror,only watches them cause I make him) said that Jason won....I don't see how either won...


Agreed....I don't think either won, I mean the decision is clearly a tie cuz both of got knocked out at the end.....Jason did walk away from it all but Freddy was still alive to....Bottom line is this they both got a lot of good shots off(freddy was missing limbs and a whole body when all was said and done) and they both got their asses kicked so it was a draw.

[XCoRyX]

exactly,the only time I myself will declare a real winner is when 1 doesnt come back for good.

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
exactly,the only time I myself will declare a real winner is when 1 doesnt come back for good.

which will never happen

[XCoRyX]

exactly once again so what can we sum up from this intelligent convo?

no real winner yet and never will be...

[Giselle]

I'd sum it up with

Jason: Winner of the human world

Freddy: Winner of the dream world

Freddy can go in both though so I suppose he would be the winner even though I like Jason better.

[Fisting Ackbar]

I think we'll have to wait for a commentary track with Yu giving us the answer...although my interpretation was that Jason might have won the battle, but the war still hasn't ended.

[Sad man]

I think the winner was Jason. Freddy kicked his ass, and he was much cooler here than Jason, although I always liked the hockey masked dumb killer more. They are both still alive, but you can lose a fight and still be alive. Jason was the last one standing, therefore he is the winner. Also, he got out of the water with his trophy: Freddy's head.