***OFFICIAL NBA SEASON THREAD***

[James Logan]

Well, as suggested by our oh-so-loved moderator (you know who I mean ;) ), here comes our own little OFFICIAL NBA THREAD!

The season starts in a week's time, the teams are getting shakin', and things are starting to fall in place. Just in the past 48 hrs. , Pat Riley quit as the Heats coach, the Lakers played their first game with all their four stars starting, and Kenyon Martin injured his thumb. Things are definitely movin'. :)

Well, we got 82 games and playoffs to live together, and this place is yours til the end...discuss and enjoy!

[Indiana Sev]

Is Vince Carter injured yet? :p

[daddiefatsacks]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Is Vince Carter injured yet? :p

i almost caughed up my homeade hoagie when i read that.

coming from a Raptors fan, this will probably become true after the 15th game.

I'm actually excited for the Raptors season tho, Its kind of like they got a totally new look, and new mind-set.

[Cunning Visions]

Well Pat Riley resigned as coach of the Heat. Don't know what to think about this. He obviously wasn't happy and seemed worn out, but I thought he'd make it at least 1 more year. He wants to be behind the scenes now I guess since he will remain the Heats President. Assistant coach Stan Van Gundy will coach the Heat from now on.

[Moviefan1234]

I heard a blip on the news this morning about Vanessa Bryant's T-Shirt she wore to the game. Does anyone know what it said?

[James Logan]

"Honey, your new tattoo sucks"? ;)

[James Logan]

Anyways, pre-season is pretty much over. Here's the three games to open the 2003-'04 NBA season, on the 28th:

Philadelphia Sixers vs. Miami Heat
San Antonio Spurs vs. Phoenix Suns
L.A. Lakers vs. Dallas Mavericks

Start placing your bets. :)

[Tom Samborski]

Philadelphia 94-88
San Antonio 102-95
Dallas 92-90

[horrorfreak13]

Philadelphia by 20
San Antonio by 25
Dallas by 1

[James Logan]

I don't know about the SA game, boys. I mean, I love the Spurs, but...

a) Tony Parker is very likely to be injured, and if he is, who are the Spurs gonna put against Stephon Marbury? Not someone who's gonna be able to handle the dude, that's for sure. And when you can't keep Marbury in check...the man can score 35 points easy.

b) Amare Stoudemire is in good shape for now.

c) The Spurs still have to get their game together, playing without David Robinson, and adding the likes of new recruits Nesterovic and Horry for instance.

I think that game's gonna be a lot closer than what you guys expect. Might be wrong, but might not. ;)

[Indiana Sev]

The O'Neal/Bryant trash talking has already begun.

*YAWN!!*

[James Logan]

On Sev's cue:

Shaq: "I think Kobe has a lot of help out there. When he has a lot of help he should use them. While he's playing like he's playing, he should probably look to be more of a passer until he gets his legs strong."

Kobe: "I'm not changing my game whatsoever. I take good shots, hit the open man when he's there. I definitely don't need advice on how to play my game."
"I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post. I'll worry about mine."

Shaq: "He's right, he doesn't need advice on how to play his position, but he needs advice on how to play team ball. As we start this new season, stuff's got to be done right. If you don't like it, then you can opt out next year. If it's going to be my team, I'll voice my opinion. If he don't like it, he can opt out…. I ain't going nowhere."
"If he's open I'm going to give it to him, and if I'm open I expect him to give it to me. But I don't care about anything else he does. I know he doesn't care about what we do. That'll just tell you the type of person he is. I've never been deemed as selfish. Just ask Karl and Gary why they came here. For one person. Not two. One. Period. So, he's right, I'm not telling him how to play his position. I'm telling him how to play team ball."

One anonymous Lakers player: "This is gonna get ugly."

GM Mitch Kupchack: No comment.

Gotta love pro ball....real solidarity showing there. :)

[RogueSpear]

I knew this was going to happen and I'm sure this is only the start of it. Especially once Kobe starts to come to terms with the fact that he could end up spending the rest of his life being someone's bitch in prison. Oh how sweet it would be. I would love for the Lakers to fall flat on their faces this year.

[Indiana Sev]

"I don't miss 15 games because of a toe injury that everybody knows wasn't that serious in the first place.''

"It doesn't matter whose team it is,'' Bryant said. "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it.

That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not over-dramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning.

Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win, it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.''

This is getting really UGLY!!! I'm loving it!! :)

[adamjohnson]

Kobe said hes not gonn play in the home opener. So, go Dallas!

[James Logan]

On Sev's cue once again, more quotes from Kobe...

(when asked if Shaq is a leader) "Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor."

(on his role on the Lakers team) "My role is whatever Phil (Jackson) want it to be. Period."

(about leaving at the end of the season) "I won't make that decision until the end of the season. I told Shaq last year that I was planning on opting out. He knew before anyone. I told him out of respect for what we have been through together. I thought he should be the first to know. The fact that he acts like this is such a big shock is a mystery to me. If leaving the Lakers at the end of the season is what I decide, a major reason for that will be Shaq's childlike selfishness and jealousy."

(about if Shaq supported him during the summer and as Kobe's facing legal troubles) "He is not my quote unquote "big brother." A big brother would have called to lend his support this summer. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devon [George], Rick [Fox], Mitch [Kupchak], Phil, and our owner Jerry Buss. And Shaq's own Uncle Jerome called and left three messages. Other teammates like Derek [Fisher], Mark [Madsen], and [Stanislav Medvedenko] left messages as well. Opponents called like [Chris] Webber, [Mike] Bibby, and many others. So did a lot of coaches. Michael Jordan, who didn't have my home phone, tracked it down to lend his support. So did Tiger Woods. But yet from my so-called big brother, I heard nothing."

Mark my words: the Lakers are going down. Unless Phil Jackson has one more TERRRRIFIC trick up his sleeve (and God knows he might...the guy's the greatest coach ever, and one heck of a big-ego psychologist), there's no way this team is gonna manage to win a championship.

[James Logan]

Oh, and on a sidenote, most big teams are gonna start their season with a non-full roster:

No Tony Parker for the Spurs
No Kobe Bryant for the Lakers
No Ray Allen for the Sonics
No Lucious Harris for the Nets

Oh, and the Mavericks are currently trying to hire Arvydas Sabonis to fill in their center spot, because it's the weakest spot they got. More on that in the next few days.

[horrorfreak13]

This Kobe and Shaq feud is going to be interesting and Kobe just added more fuek to the fire now.

This could end up being a bad season for the Lakers

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by James Logan
(about if Shaq supported him during the summer and as Kobe's facing legal troubles) "He is not my quote unquote "big brother." A big brother would have called to lend his support this summer. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devon [George], Rick [Fox], Mitch [Kupchak], Phil, and our owner Jerry Buss. And Shaq's own Uncle Jerome called and left three messages. Other teammates like Derek [Fisher], Mark [Madsen], and [Stanislav Medvedenko] left messages as well. Opponents called like [Chris] Webber, [Mike] Bibby, and many others. So did a lot of coaches. Michael Jordan, who didn't have my home phone, tracked it down to lend his support. So did Tiger Woods. But yet from my so-called big brother, I heard nothing."


Maybe that has something to do with the fact that not everyone thinks he's innocent and therefore wants to kiss his ass. I wouldn't support the guy either.

[Benny]

Wow, this year is the most excited I've been in a while for an NBA season. There are so many questions about this upcoming season. Of couse there is whole Lakers ordeal, with Kobe's trial, Kobe and Shaq feuding, and how Payton and Malone will fit in with the rest of the team. I just don't see a championship happening for this team this year, sorry Grebdron and other Lakers fans. There is also LeBron James, who's the savior of the sorry-ass Cleveland franchise. However, I doubt he'll have a huge impact on the game his first year besides sell lots of tickets, and the Cavs won't even make the playoffs this year. Give him a few years like Kobe to develop as a player, then the Cavs will start doing things.

Of course there is my team, the Philadelphia 76ers. I'm hoping for a big year from the Sixers, as they have a new coach and Glenn Robinson as a new player on their team. I think if new coach Randy Ayers can appeal to the players on the team, then he won't have the same trouble as Larry Brown and get into feuds with Allen Iverson. The Nets are also still dangerous in the East, with Alonzo Mourning now on the team. And the Pistons and the Pacers, each with new coaches, could loom as threats as well.

But I'll tell you, the team I like is the Mavericks this year. I liked the Antoine Walker deal, and as long as Novitzki gets healthy and they step it up on D, I think they have a legit shot at the title this year.
My prediction: Mavericks over Pistons in 5 in the NBA Finals.

By the way, which Portland Trailblazer will be arrested first this year? My money's on Rasheed...

[James Logan]

SAN ANTONIO SPURS 83 - 82 Phoenix Suns

The Spurs won thanks to a game-winning layup by Anthony Carter with about 28 seconds left into the game. Carter'd had a bad game until then, so the Suns didn't guard him very well in the end. Bummer.

Tim Duncan: 24 pts, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 6 blocks
Anthony Carter: 10 pts, 5 rebounds, 6 assists
Manu Ginobili: 7 pts, 5 rebounds, 3 assists
OFF THE BENCH: Malik Rose (12 pts), Ron Mercer (11 pts), Hedo Turkoglu (7 pts)

Stephon Marbury: 24 pts, 7 rebounds, 6 assists
Shawn Marion: 20 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks
Amare Stoudemire: 10 pts, 7 rebounds, 6 personal fouls
OFF THE BENCH: Penny Hardaway (6 pts)

LA LAKERS 109 - 93 Dallas

As the Lakers leaders keep fighting through the press, the two newcomers, Gary and Karl, got the L.A. team to beat Dallas in their season opener. And let me tell ya...these two more than made up for the absence of Kobe Bryant.

Gary Payton: 21 pts, 7 rebounds, 9 assists
Karl Malone: 15 pts, 10 rebounds, 9 assists
Shaquille O'Neal: 16 pts, 9 rebounds, 5 assists
OTHER CONTRIBUTERS: Derek Fisher (16 pts), Devean George (16 pts, 7 rebounds), Bryon Russell (10 pts)

Michael Finley: 12 pts, 4 rebounds, 1 assist
Dirk Nowitzki: 19 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist
Antoine Walker: 19 pts, 7 rebounds, 1 assist
OTHER CONTRIBUTERS: Steve Nash (8 pts, 7 assists), Antawn Jamison (17 pts, 6 rebounds)

PHILADELPHIA SIXERS 89 - 74 Miami Heat

Usual Sixers win: Allen Iverson couldn't hit a monkey until the 4th quarter, so a couple of no-name benchers held the Philly boys ahead until then. As expected, Miami goes down by 15 in their season opener.

Allen Iverson: 26 pts, 5 rebounds, 11 assists
Kenny Thomas: 15 pts, 7 rebounds, 1 assist
John Salmons: 10 pts, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
OTHER CONTRIBUTERS: Eric Snow (1 pt), Aaron McKie (10 pts), Mark Jackson (7 pts)

Eddie Jones: 15 pts, 8 rebounds, 0 assists
Brian Grant: 13 pts, 7 rebounds, 0 assists
Lamar Odom: 0 pts, 2 rebounds, 1 assist
OTHER CONTRIBUTERS: Dwayne Wade (18 pts, 4 rebounds, 4 assists)

[James Logan]

Oh, and Phil Jackson took the Lakers feud case in hand. He fined Kobe Bryant an undisclosed amount for his comments about Shaquille O'Neal and held a 20-minute team meeting yesterday to discuss the problem. Jackson had told the players Monday not to talk to the press about the issue, an order Bryant ignored. During the meeting, Shaq and Kobe adressed the team but didn't speak to each other. The only other player to speak was veteran and co-leader Karl Malone.

Phil Jackson: "We felt we had an agreement yesterday and he didn't uphold that. I think this is something we've asked our players to work out on their own and in private if they have personality conflicts." [...]"We haven't had a really good example here of maturity, and that's one of the things we've had to discuss."

Derek Fisher: "There were no signs or indications that it would snowball the way it has in a matter of 36 hours, so we'll see what happens from here..."

Kobe Bryant (after the Lakers game): "We're cool. We talked this morning. He said what he said, I said what I said. We put it behind us. Shaq and I are going to move on, be teammates and help this team to a fourth title."

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by James Logan
Kobe Bryant (after the Lakers game): "We're cool."

*coughhorseshitcough*

http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/AImg/manure1.jpg

[Damned Martian]

I'm not too big on NBA, but i'm curious about one thing:

What everybody thinks on Pau Gasol (Memphis Grizzlies)?

I've been 2 years wondering how accurate is the information that comes to Spain about him.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by damned martian
I'm not too big on NBA, but i'm curious about one thing:

What everybody thinks on Pau Gasol (Memphis Grizzlies)?


Well, I saw the man just a couple of weeks ago against the Spurs in Paris, and he's good. No questions asked there. In my opinion, he's one of the top three Europeans in the NBA -- up there with Dirk Nowitzki and Tony Parker. Better than Peja Stojakovic. He can play all positions, he can shoot, he can rebound, he can block. He's an ok defender but he's more of a physical weapon. I think he's a terrific player...kind of like a Spanish Paul Pierce (not that good yet, but the same kind of game).

[Grebdron]

Cough***Lakers***Cough.

Ummm...we looked pretty good last night, no?;)

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Cough***Lakers***Cough.

Ummm...we looked pretty good last night, no?;)


Damn straight we did. As much as I hate to say it, because of how awesome of a player he is, but our convincing win last night proves we dont need Kobe. We'll do fine without him, and fine with him.

[Grebdron]

You know...I'm almost convinced we should trade Kobe. He's made it clear he doesn't want to be here, and we could get two or three damned good players for him.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
You know...I'm almost convinced we should trade Kobe. He's made it clear he doesn't want to be here, and we could get two or three damned good players for him.

As much as I hate to agree with Greb ( ;) ), I agree with the man here. Send him to some half-assed team where he can play 40 minutes and score 35 a game, and get a good backup center and a couple other players for him. I don't think the Lakers need him and I don't think the Lakers need the attitude.

That being said, it's been just one game and one fight. Let's see how the next 10 games go, and then we'll have some solid idea of how things should go.

[blurofserenity]

Trading Kobe would be a mistake. Shaq is the one creating all the turmoil.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by blurofserenity
Trading Kobe would be a mistake. Shaq is the one creating all the turmoil.

Nope. Shaq should have kept his mouth shut...but he's the self-described leader. And all he's ever said really is that Kobe's not a team player. Kobe made it personal by calling Shaq fat and questioning his toe injury from last year. Kobe's made it clear he doesn't want to be here. Fine, don't let the door hit you. He has skipped every team function this year. Late to training camp. Never on the team bus. He claimed on Monday his knee was fine, then sits out the first game because of his knee? Riiiiiiiiight.

Kobe's the one starting the turmoil. His stupidity in doing what he did, even if he didn't rape her, is what has created this situation. He ought to shut his mouth and play ball.

I believe he might be doing all this shit on purpose to deflect attention from the court case.

Let's trade him to Golden Fucking State, and see how he likes it.

[blurofserenity]

Can we just agree that they're both being incredibly fucking unprofessional? These are the ambassadors of the league? Good idea with the trading kobe to golden state thing, but while we're at it, lets ship Shaq to Utah. Then maybe they'd shut the fuck up. Or if they didn't, nobody would care because they're in such shitholes.

[MISFITS_Fiend]

True, true.

I'm not a huge fan of the Lakers (go Spurs), but I do respect their legacy. In my opinion, these two ass-clowns are acting like children and crapping all over that legacy. Boys (I refuse to call them men), straighten up, wire your shit tight and play the game instead of trying to pull a Cartman..."Screw you guys, I'm going home."

[blurofserenity]

I don't know about the Lakers this year. I was very skeptical before all this feuding and this just adds fuel to the fire. I mean this gives new meaning to the term "buying a team". That doesnt' really work though, if memory serves me correct. The road to the championship is still through the Alamadome, people forget.

[Grebdron]

How badly does Nick (The Quick) VanExel NOT want to be a Golden State Warrior?

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/van_exel_pout.jpg

[The Delfonics]

Does anyone wanna be a GS Warrior? I cant believe he got domoted this bad.

[RicochetShaw]

Poor Nick :(, I feel sorry for him.


I'm still curious... why did Dallas not re-sign him? He was their strongest clutch player last year, especially in the post-season.

[jackson13]

Greb im totally with you. Ship Kobe away. But not to Golden State, send him to the Clippers, where he'll suffer for ALL ETERNITY! Plus, he'd still be in the same town, and have to endure all the talk about how good the Lakers are without him, while the Clippers get their asses handed to them in every game they play and the Lakers spank everyone they play. I'd say that would really get the point across to him.

[quoth_the_raven]

wow...

he looks really happy...

:eek:

[blurofserenity]

Who cares about Nick Van Excel? He's talented but NOT the type of player that gets you championships. Good move dumping him.

[Benny]

God, who cares abou the Magic-Knicks game? Show us LeBron ESPN!

[bmain77]

Preach it brother!!!!!!!! The very thought of watching a Knicks game puts me to sleep let alone when I planned on watching Lebron vs. the Kings for the past couple of weeks.

[horrorfreak13]

Vince Carter looked awesome tonight 39 points and a victory over the East champs and I got him in my fantasy pool. HAHA

I was also looking forward to Lebron's first game we get it on The Score in Canada but stupid Knicks-Magic game no one gives a monkees ass. The Knicks aren't making the playoffs anyways

[daddiefatsacks]

Well, watched the whole game of the Raptors vs New Jersey, and i honestly thought after the first two quarters the Raptors were going to get pummeled, Jersey had a bunch of moments where they could have trampled allover the Raps and run away with it - but the Raptors somehow managed to stay in the game and Carter took over the 2nd half with 25 points, 39 in total.

Looks like the Raps are a team of role players, I really like Bosh coming up with some key shots near the end, plus they showed confidence in Palacio, who really become a favorite of mine throughout the game.

Keep it up Raps.

LeBron looked pretty solid the first quarter of the game, too bad we didn't get to see it (thanks ESPN!)

[adamjohnson]

About Van Exel truthfully Nick is one of the most inconsistent players Ive seen. He kicked ass in the post season sure, but recal that Dirk was hurt. And also recall that the post season before that he was useless beyond repair.

They should trade for him back though, I like him too much for him to be on such a cruddy team, although they are beating us at the moment, WITHOUT nick.

[blurofserenity]

Can we ease off the Knick bashing?

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by blurofserenity
Can we ease off the Knick bashing?

As long as it's nothing personal against a schmoe, people can bash whichever team they wish to. Even you can.

[James Logan]

Geez, Duncan's getting one hell of a start to his season... 24 pts and 12 rebounds, then 17 points and 21 rebounds. Yikes.

And look at Garnett...25 pts, 21 rebounds...who's your daddy? I think someone wants to be MVP this year.

Strong Vince Carter against the Nets there...and what's with the red Raptors jersey? It looks odd. Slick...but odd.

On another note, my little pal LeBron gave a good start to his career...25 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 steals...now that's a friggin' ALL-STAR performance there boys and girls! *Harvey Keitel voice* This kid is gonna be Rookie of the Year. Repeat: this kid is gonna be Rookie of the Year. He's had a slow, relaxed, modest pre-season; he's a serious kid; and he gets a terrific first game. Now that's what I call talent.

I think this is gonna be a very interesting season...

[James Logan]

Oh, and about the Knicks...I'm a HUGE Knicks fan (love NY, love the spirit, said all that before), but I think the bashing's well-deserved. Trading Sprewell was ok by me (even though I love the guy), but getting what we got for him...that was a totally crappy deal. I mean, here's what the Knicks have to show: Dikembe Mutombo, Keith Van Horn and Allan Houston. Welcome to NiceGuyville.

There ain't gonna be a lot of partying at the Garden this year, I'm afraid... :(

[jackson13]

Am I the only one hoping for Lebron to choke? Sure, he had a good night last night, but it aint gonna last.


Choke, choke, choke, choke!!


Go Lakers!

[bmain77]

All the hype about Lebron the last two years has seriously driven me insane. However from what I've seen in the preseason and last night, i think we might be seeing the truly next evolution of the NBA player and I have to say I like it. MJ is the one who brought on the past two decades of highlight jams into prominence.

First the influx of Euro's and the appearance of Neo (James) might finally put more emphasis on players of great all around games who do everything well instead of one or two things really well. Nut sure if this makes any sense to you, but maybe being a super dunker or just a three point shooter will not be enough to merit star status over the next few seasons. In a perfect world people like James, Sean Marion (yes I have an unhealthy obsession with Marion), Yao Ming will the ones getting all the props.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by bmain77
In a perfect world people like James, Sean Marion (yes I have an unhealthy obsession with Marion), Yao Ming will the ones getting all the props.

Dirk Nowitzki?

If he learns to play some defense, he would be the best player in the NBA.

[Haddonfield]

Nice to see Vin Baker looking like his old self (sort of) again last night. 15 points and what 6 boards. Good for him.

[bmain77]

Yeah Dirk's defense is partially why I didn't include his name on my list. There I few really big names I left off for vary reasons such as not really being great team players yet (Kobe) or not proving he can carry a team yet (Garnet, McGrady, Pierce).

It's hard to explain my criteria, but when you watch James and Yao it's like I am finally seeing that aura that you saw around Bird, Magic, and Jordan back in the day. Kobe, AI, or Garnett...basically most all of the NBA stars...don't have this aura. It goes beyond numbers and statistics so don't throw numbers at me in debate. I'll admit its wholly subjective and sounds pretty hokey. You see it in the passes that James is making. He has some things to work on, but you can see with his court awareness and ability to see the floor at such a young age that he is already playing on a level above most players.

[Grebdron]

I get the distinct impression that we might just be witnessing the renewal of the Bird/Magic rivalry between James and Carmelo Anthony. It could be great for basketball.

Carmelo had one of the single best college seasons in history last year. And James, if he keeps this up, is already [roving to be a great all-around talent.

I know it's very early, but this might be a good omen.

[Strider]

Damn! The NBA season already started? Well, I'll be damned! I need to start getting into the basketball groove, and start watching these games. Although it sucks that all the games are usually on the weekdays... I'm fortunate if I even find time to watch 1-3 games per week!

Anyway, I just heard about this Shaq/Kobe feud. And I think both of them are in the wrong. Shaq should've kept his damn mouth shut, and Kobe is an idiot for having this bullshit "holier than thou" attitude. Kobe better watch himself, or else....

Now, that I've said that.....

GO LAKERS!!!!

[Strider]

Speaking of the Lakers, when is the next game? I must try my damnest to watch it!

[Grebdron]

Saturday, against Phoenix, I think.

[blurofserenity]

Well Lebron had quite the debut, 25 pts 9 assists.Good for him. And I know,the Knick bashing is deserved but it's still rough. You guys are killing me here!
And TD for mvp

[Benny]

Damn, The Bron lived up to all his hype last night, scoring 25 points (12 in the 1st Q) with 9 assists. The Cavs still won't make the playoffs, but this kid's gonna be good.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Benny
The Cavs still won't make the playoffs, but this kid's gonna be good.

Sure they will. ;)

Tonight's big game has the New Jersey Nets facing the Minnesota Timberwolves. We also got Philly Sixers vs. Sacramento Kings ... and Atlanta Hawks vs. Chicago Bulls. ;)

[James Logan]

Oh, and the injured list club gets some new members...

Jamal Mashburn (knee surgery)
Elton Brand (broken foot, out 4 to 6 weeks)
Ray Allen (ankle surgery, 20 games out)
Wally Szczerbiak (sore left foot, out 2 weeks)

The way I see it...the Clippers and Sonics are really fucked. :D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by James Logan
Oh, and the injured list club gets some new members...

Jamal Mashburn (knee surgery)
Elton Brand (broken foot, out 4 to 6 weeks)
Ray Allen (ankle surgery, 20 games out)
Wally Szczerbiak (sore left foot, out 2 weeks)

The way I see it...the Clippers and Sonics are really fucked. :D

The way I see it they were already fucked anyways because they are not going anywhere.

Lebron James is living up to the hype two games over 20 points in both games I don't think another rookie did that in their first game or 2

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by James Logan
The way I see it...the Clippers and Sonics are really fucked. :D

:eek: James, you never told us you were phsycic.

How did you know the Clippers are fucked?;)

[Moviefan1234]

LeBron James is freakin' scary. At the age of 18 he's putting up stats like that? I was reading a newspaper article comparing him to Jordon (in their first starts) and James seemed to be leaps and bounds better. This kid looks to be special.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
:eek: James, you never told us you were phsycic.

How did you know the Clippers are fucked?;)

I have skills. ;)

Well, the Sonics we knew. But the Clippers...they don't have a great team, but they have a decent bunch of guys there. They got Elton Brand, Quentin Richardson, Corey Maggette...add one TERRIFIC player and you got yourself a playoff-contender. ;)

Oh, and for people who still don't believe me about LeBron...

Game One: 25 pts, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 steals
Game Two: 21 pts, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal

Gimme one more game like that, and if the Cavs start winning some matches, I'm yelling "MVP!". ;)

[docholiday_13]

Originally posted by James Logan

Gimme one more game like that, and if the Cavs start winning some matches, I'm yelling "MVP!". ;)



Someone's been drinking a wee bit too much wine. :D :D

[jackson13]

Originally posted by James Logan
Oh, and for people who still don't believe me about LeBron...

Game One: 25 pts, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 steals
Game Two: 21 pts, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal


Post the number for the rest of the team and then tell me he isn't 'King Ballhog'.

[adamjohnson]

Umm you DID see his assists right? Just because the rest of the team doesnt post numbers like his doesnt mean hes hogging the ball, it just means they suck.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Umm you DID see his assists right? Just because the rest of the team doesnt post numbers like his doesnt mean hes hogging the ball, it just means they suck.

Exactly. You don't slash 9 and 8 assists by being a ball hogger. That being said, if you need more: James does shoot at around 54% of accuracy, Ricky Davis did shoot the ball 6 more times than he did against the Suns, and yes James does take a little less than 20% of the shots the whole team takes, but that's less than an Allen Iverson, for instance, and the Cavs have a way weaker team overall.

It's also interesting to note that James is only 11th in the league in Field Goal Attempts (behind the likes of players like Eddie Jones and Rashard Lewis), but 4th in Field Goals Made (BEFORE Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, or Stephon Marbury).

Sure it's only been two games. But nothing makes LeBron deserve to be called a ball hugger. Quite the contrary, actually -- he's gotta put up with a sucky team, and he does so by playing team ball.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Umm you DID see his assists right?


Actually I havent seen a damn thing. I refuse to watch him. I hate the way he's portrayed as the greatest player thats ever lived. I hate the way he's being shoved down everyones throats. I hate the way that before he even fucking played an NBA game he was making more money than pretty much every player currently working their asses off to keep thier jobs. Im sick of Lebron and all the talk surrounding him. Just fuck off already.


P.S. I will say one thing, if it wasnt for Lebron, nobody would even know that Cleveland has a team. Other than that the kid is useless to me.

[James Logan]

So you hate the kid based simply on the fact that people are (over-) hyped about him? Doesn't matter if he's a nice kid or not, if he's good or not, you don't like him, and he's a "ball hogger", because people talk about him a lot and treat him like the Second Coming without him really asking any of it?

...

Sounds about right to me. ;)

[jackson13]

Originally posted by James Logan
So you hate the kid based simply on the fact that people are (over-) hyped about him? Doesn't matter if he's a nice kid or not, if he's good or not, you don't like him, and he's a "ball hogger", because people talk about him a lot and treat him like the Second Coming without him really asking any of it?

...

Sounds about right to me. ;)


Funny, I didnt see sarcastic sandwiches on the menu today.


I swear James, one day.........one day......your time will come.


Until then I'll be sitting here not watching Lebron.


:D

[XCoRyX]

Originally posted by jackson13
Actually I havent seen a damn thing. I refuse to watch him. I hate the way he's portrayed as the greatest player thats ever lived. I hate the way he's being shoved down everyones throats. I hate the way that before he even fucking played an NBA game he was making more money than pretty much every player currently working their asses off to keep thier jobs. Im sick of Lebron and all the talk surrounding him. Just fuck off already.


P.S. I will say one thing, if it wasnt for Lebron, nobody would even know that Cleveland has a team. Other than that the kid is useless to me.

do you dislike people like allen iverson,kobe bryant,shaq,garnett,mcgrady,jason kidd...?

[adamjohnson]

Well I hate Shaq. No talent fatty.....

[James Logan]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Well I hate Shaq. No talent fatty.....

LOL
I disagree...but that cracked me up. :D

Oh, and the Cavs lost again against the Blazers, and I believe it's time for Jackson to rejoice... ;)

LeBron stats: 8 pts on 3-out-of-12 shooting, 4 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals in 39 minutes

Hey...still better than 90% of rookies. ;)

[James Logan]

Check this out, too: http://www.nba.com/games/20031101/LALPHO/boxscore.html ...
Talk about the Lakers destruction machine, heh? Just look at that starting five! :eek:

Oh, and I thought we could have something run all season...Let's have a statistic comparison of the two faves for Rookie of the Year, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony!

LeBron James: 23 PPG (54%), 9 RPG, 8.5 APG, 2.50 SPG, 0 BPG, 4.5 TPG in about 41 minutes/game
Carmelo Anthony: 15 PPG (31%), 8 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0.5 SPG, 0 BPG, 5.50 TPG in about 33 minutes/game

That being said, the Cavaliers are currently at 0-3 and last team in the East, while the Nuggets are cruising at 2-1 and leader of the Midwest Division, having beat both San Antonio AND Sacramento. I don't think this is gonna last, but it's worth mentioning.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
do you dislike people like allen iverson,kobe bryant,shaq,garnett,mcgrady,jason kidd...?


Actually out of all those guys, I hate Iverson with a passion that burns like raging fire. Always have too. Everyone else is great though.


In a small Indiana town, a lone person chants: "Car-mel-o, Car-mel-o......"

[XCoRyX]

first off lets congratulate mike dunleavy for having beaten out his old record of scoring in 1 game...sorry had to do that,hes my favorite player :),as the warriors are probably my favorite team.

they played my hometown team the sixers yet i didnt care that my philly team lost...fun game to watch,but hell i like any game,as i dont see much being i dont have cable..

as for that carmelo anthony and lebron james little put together,i havent seen either play,will get a chance to see the good ol lebron play on the 15th,as thats the next game on tv that doesnt require having cable :),he and the cavs play my sixers...

overall though i personally think from looking at box scores and such,and with gut feelings,that carmelo anthony might wind up doing better then lebron james this year,maybe not with certain things,but overall rounded up i believe so..

[James Logan]

http://www.nba.com/games/20031102/GSWLAL/boxscore.html

I say fuck. :) That's 3-0 for the Lakers, if they keep this up, I think we can just cancel the season and give 'em the title. That being said, it's the Lakers...so we just know they won't keep this up. ;)

[jackson13]

And I say: Whoo Oh yeah!

Who rules? LAKERS RULE!

It seems we are making up for last year. We better, last year was embarassing. Go Lakers!

[Grebdron]

I'd mostly agree Jackson. Except I don't think last year was particularly embarrassing. We won a lot of games, despite injury, and took SA to 6 games. They were a good team. But they won't have an answer for this year's Lakers.

[adamjohnson]

Hey, Dallas would have won it all had it not been for our injuries. And you dont hear us complaining about it.

That wastn an insult it onyl sounded mean.

[Grebdron]

Dallas will not win a championship as long as they think they can just outscore people, and play no defense.

Don't get me wrong, having Irk Nowitzki (no "D" in his game, no "D" in his name;)) is never a bad thing, but they will not win against teams that make defense a priority.

[adamjohnson]

Their defense and rebounding skills have improved this year though. AS well as their scoring. If they can get into a serious mesh like the other night (127 points without their starters in the fourth quarter!) and be able to hold someone to just 126 then they will always win.

[Grebdron]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Lakers pretty much run them off the court in game 1?

You can score all the points you want, if you don't play D against a team like the Lakers, you won't win a 7 game series. The Mavs haven't won in LA since 1990, and are something like 3-30 against them in the last ten years.

[adamjohnson]

Yeah they got ran out, but like i said they arent a cohesive unit yet. Jamison had been with the team like a week, and Walker hadnt even practiced but once with them I think. They were confused as a team out there ( and plus because of that record with the lakers they probably feel like its hopeless there, you know how teams get. )

[Grebdron]

Agreed, but the Lkaers faced almost the same problems. And there are A LOT of naysayers out there saying there's not enough ball for 4 HOF's. Hopefully we'll continue to prove them wrong.

BTW...I don't hat ethe Mavs. I actually quite like them, and wish Cuban owned the Lakers.

[adamjohnson]

I like the New Lakers alot more than the old ones, thats for sure. But honestly gaining hall of famers is a little different than gaining upper-mid carders. Even on their worst days Malone and Payton could carry a team, which they did against us.

Im just sayin if you saw the game on thursday with the mavs (where we scored the 127) you can see how they are CAPABLE of playing now.

[screamer581]

Wohoo, the Rockets beat the piss out of the Bulls tonight! I will say it right now, I think the Rockets will make the playoffs, and maybe even make a little run in it. They should be a lot of fun to watch this year.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
And there are A LOT of naysayers out there saying there's not enough ball for 4 HOF's. Hopefully we'll continue to prove them wrong.


That's one of the issues to see with time for me. I know Gary Payton can pass the ball and play team ball. I know Karl Malone is a smart guy and knows that if he has to score 15 a game and win a title, it's better than retiring with a 27 point-a-game average and no ring. But Kobe and Shaq...they've been doing good so far, playing team ball, sharing the ball. But sooner or later, I fear one of them might remember Award time is not far, or that the playoffs are coming, and he has to prove HE is the Laker leader, the man who deserves the ball in the last seconds. And if that ever happens...shit's gonna hit the fan.

I think this is a fun challenge for Phil Jackson. He's the greatest coach ever, but people've said it was easier for him, as he coached teams that always had the 2 greatest players of the NBA at the time (Jordan and Pippen, then Shaq and Kobe). Now Phil's got the whole reverse situation: he's gotta handle four terrific ball players and make sure they all play together. It'll be interesting to see how everything adds up in the Zen Master's mind.

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by screamer581
Wohoo, the Rockets beat the piss out of the Bulls tonight! I will say it right now, I think the Rockets will make the playoffs, and maybe even make a little run in it. They should be a lot of fun to watch this year.

Beating up on the Bulls is nothing to get excited about. I was at the game last night and we started booing during the 1st quarter. The Bulls are playing sooooo bad right now. Coach Cartwright might not make it through the month.

Talk about a deflation of expectations. Prior to the season Bull's fans and players were talking playoffs. Now we are wondering who the first pick in this years draft will be.

It was fun to watch Yao and Stevie Franchise in person for the first time. Even though Ming didnt play all that much because of the blowout.

I hope the Rockets do well, I am not a big Van Gundy fan, but I love the way Franchise and Yao play.

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by jackson13
And I say: Whoo Oh yeah!

Who rules? LAKERS RULE!

It seems we are making up for last year. We better, last year was embarassing. Go Lakers!


Cubs fan / Lakers fan.......

Why Jackson why????

(actually I love Shaq, but the rest of them can eat shit, specially Kobe and Malone)

[screamer581]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Beating up on the Bulls is nothing to get excited about.

I know, but I still have very high hopes for my Rockets.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Why Jackson why????

Because Im a Phil Jackson, Shaq, Kobe, Rick Fox fan. Fox went to high school at the school my alma matter is most bitter rivals with: Warsaw Community High School in Warsaw Indiana, so we have roots. Plus, the Lakers just plain rule, thats why.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
Coach Cartwright might not make it through the month.


I hope he will. Ain't his fault if he's got a CBA-caliber team to work with. I mean, sure, there's Donyell Marshall who's doing ok (although his season so far sucks balls), but apart from him, you got Jalen Rose (who hasn't had a great season since 2002) and Scottie Pippen (who hasn't had a great season since he left Chicago for the first time). Add a bunch of rookies...and welcome to the CBA title underdogs. There's no way these guys are making the playoffs.

Besides, the Bulls did win 1 of their 4 games so far...which is better than I personally expected.

[bmain77]

Hey don't knock CBA basketball. With the signing of Jimmy King and a couple of college players whose names seem vaguely familiar the Great Lakes Storm is going to make some noise this year :D

[blurofserenity]

Just an update on Cartwright's personal hell that is the Chicago Bulls, Pippen is no out for at least a week with a bum knee. The paycheck better be worth it Bill.

[James Logan]

We got a big game coming up...Carmelo and LeBron in their first NBA face-off! :cool:

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by James Logan
I hope he will. Ain't his fault if he's got a CBA-caliber team to work with. I mean, sure, there's Donyell Marshall who's doing ok (although his season so far sucks balls), but apart from him, you got Jalen Rose (who hasn't had a great season since 2002) and Scottie Pippen (who hasn't had a great season since he left Chicago for the first time). Add a bunch of rookies...and welcome to the CBA title underdogs. There's no way these guys are making the playoffs.

Besides, the Bulls did win 1 of their 4 games so far...which is better than I personally expected.

There were some really high expectations in Chicago this year. I really thought that Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford were ready to make the jump to being really solid NBA players.

John Paxson (the new GM) has pretty much said that if the Bulls dont make the playoffs, that he will fire Cartwright.

As far as Jalen Rose goes (I loathe Jalen Rose) I think ESPN Sports Guy Bill Simmons said it best...He's not good enough to carry his own NBA team, but he is just good enough to sabatoge things if he isnt treated like he carries the team.

[Grebdron]

How's about them Lakers? God dammit, they're good.:D:D:D:D

[blurofserenity]

Fuck the Lakers

[docholiday_13]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blurofserenity
Fuck the Lakers [/QUOTE



Aye. Fuck em right in the ear!

[bmain77]

Anyone else see the news that Roy Tarpley is trying to get reinstated by the NBA? I personally think he'd be just the old guy to help guide the younger misguided talent of the Portland JailBlazers.

And on a more personal note I hope to god he really does sign with the CBA. I've already got my poster all made up for when he comes to town asking him to iron some shirts for me. (And yes I realize that joke was in extremely bad taste)

[jackson13]

Carmello Anthony: 14pts
Lebron James: 7pts

Round one goes to Anthony. :D

[MISFITS_Fiend]

Just an insight into my life for a moment...

I have courtside tickets for the Spurs/Mavericks game on Saturday. Of course, with how my luck usually runs, there'll be no Tim Duncan and no Tony Parker. Kinda like Koolaid with no water...oh well, the guy I wanna see is Manu Ginobili, and so far he hasn't gotten injured enough to be taken out (yet...)

Oh well, I'm still gonna have fun! :cool:

[adamjohnson]

Yes, GO mavs! Boo Spurs!

[horrorfreak13]

Tim Duncan better get back soon of my Basketball pool is going to suffer. Good thing Gilbert Arenas is picking up some of the lsck in Duncan's place on my pool.

Otherwise it's bad for the Spurs to have their best guy out and hopefully for them it is 1 week and not longer since the top 6 teams in the league are all in the West

[adamjohnson]

I think the spurs are about to lose to the 'F'akers in double OT. However!, Spurs have no Timmy Dunc. I think that shows you somethin...

[MISFITS_Fiend]

Yeah, they lost...but, considering that the NBA's MVP was not playing (and Tony Parker wasn't either), I think they did pretty well against the "unbeatable" (yeah, right) Lakers.

[horrorfreak13]

Well the Portland Jail Breakers umm... I mean Trail Blazers 25 point conduct must really seem to be working. Bonzi Wells was fined $10,000 by the team for throwing a water bottle and a towel on the court after being taken out of a game, and gave the middle finger to a couple of abusive fans.

:D

[Grebdron]

Lot of Laker hatin' going on here. It's okay. Jealousy's a bitch.

At the end, it's another "W".

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well the Portland Jail Breakers umm... I mean Trail Blazers 25 point conduct must really seem to be working. Bonzi Wells was fined $10,000 by the team for throwing a water bottle and a towel on the court after being taken out of a game, and gave the middle finger to a couple of abusive fans.

:D

Who voted for him in the poll? Who won?

:D:cool:

[horrorfreak13]

1 person did and it wasn't me

:cool:

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Lot of Laker hatin' going on here. It's okay. Jealousy's a bitch.

At the end, it's another "W".


Speaking of that, the paper here said this morning that: We're 4-0. We're 4-0. Nyah nyah nyah nyah. :p

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by jackson13
Speaking of that, the paper here said this morning that: We're 4-0. We're 4-0. Nyah nyah nyah nyah. :p

5-0.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
5-0.

Yeah well, I live in Indiana. We're a little slow. Cant keep up with you fancy pants L.A. people! :D

[horrorfreak13]

The Raptors score only 23 points Friday against the Wizards which 4 of them coming in the 2nd QTR and lose 86-60

Yikes!!

[adamjohnson]

yeah but they beat us mavs.

Anyway, Go Mavs! (way to beat the Spurs ((barely)) wihout TIm Duncan or Tony Parker!!)

[MISFITS_Fiend]

Yeah, yeah...I was at the Spurs/Mavs game, and I had a blast. My Spurs didn't win, but they put up a great fight. Robert Horry went down in the last 2 minutes of the 4th (don't think it was too serious), which I'm sure helped him miss the last second 3-pointer...oh well, still pretty damn good for no Tim or Tony.

[adamjohnson]

Right n ow the Spurs are still the team to beat. Without tim Duncan or TP they nearly beat us and they damn near beath the 'unstoppable' lakers.

[screamer581]

The Rockets are now 5-1.:D

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by screamer581
The Rockets are now 5-1.:D

Woohoo! Rockets rock!


Hey screamer, what do you think of their new jerseys? I personally think their a little bland, and I miss the previous blue & white ones.

[horrorfreak13]

The Raptors get the Lakers tonight and do I think they will beat them? umm..... NO, but I think they'll keep them under 100 points.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Woohoo! Rockets rock!


Hey screamer, what do you think of their new jerseys? I personally think their a little bland, and I miss the previous blue & white ones.

Arent they influenced by the Chinese National League jerseys or something for Yao (Shawn Bradley 2) Ming

[James Logan]

Well, this is a surprising season debut...Washington is 3-4, Orlando is 1-7, Milwaukee is 4-4, Utah is 4-4, fuckin' Seattle is 5-1...what in hell is going wrong? ;)

Oh, and here's our little stat following...

LeBron James: 16.9 pts (45%), 7.3 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.5 steals and 3.4 turnovers a game after 7 games
Carmelo Anthony: 18 pts (37%), 5.4 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1 steal and 3 turnovers a game after 8 games

LeBron is still on top if you ask me. Too bad the Cavs have only won 2 games so far...

[MarkItZero]

Did anyone see Jamal Crawford fall on his head last night?

Ouch that looked like it hurt. Hopefully he is ok, we dont need yet another crippled PG.

[RicochetShaw]

To all the nay-sayers.... LEBRON IS THE REAL DEAL!


I had my doubts, but WOW.... did anyone see the highlight reel on ESPN tonight? That may be the best dunk I've ever seen! His hands were ABOVE the box on the backboard! :eek:

[adamjohnson]

Well did anyone see the buzzer beater in the Dallas game? Can you say "Prayer!"?

Dallas lost though. And I have many excuses, all of which are quite valid.

Dirk had stitches in the 3rd, came back in the 4th dizzy.
Nash had a bruised knee.
SHITTY officiating.
We were bad on the Free Throws.

See, thats only a handful.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
To all the nay-sayers.... LEBRON IS THE REAL DEAL!


Told ya.

On another note, this is getting tough for the Magic...They're the last team in the NBA right now, 1-9, and they've lost all nine of their last games...shite. I didn't see that one coming. :(

[daddiefatsacks]

Well the Raptors still remain undefeated at home, Bosh came up with a huge muthafuckin finish, i'd like to see that intensity more often. Too bad the Raps can't win on the road or else we may have had a decent record in the first ten games.

[adamjohnson]

Same deal with the Mavs...

[adamjohnson]

Holy Fuck! MArk Cuban was just in Surivior Series! Didnt see it, but i will dammit!

Could this be the start of wrestling actually breaking into the sports world, ala Sportscenter and what not?

Hopefully none of the mavs go into wrestling for alittle while though. Well besides Dennis Rodman, I mean who gives a fuck about that guy?

BTW, Karl Malone i think did it as well.

[James Logan]

Yeah, I even think Malone and Rodman went at it.

On an NBA note, the Magic are planning on kickin' Doc Rivers out. Should happen any day now. Too bad...I like the guy.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by James Logan
On an NBA note, the Magic are planning on kickin' Doc Rivers out. Should happen any day now. Too bad...I like the guy.

It happened today after the team lost again to Utah 90-88 and have replaced him with assistant Johnny Davis

[James Logan]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
It happened today after the team lost again to Utah 90-88 and have replaced him with assistant Johnny Davis

Which is a stupid move, methinks. Replacing Rivers is ok, I guess, maybe the players need to hear a new voice. But Davis...he hasn't proven anything yet, and he was part of Rivers's staff -- not exactly "new blood". I know it's not easy to change the whole coaching staff 11 games into the season, but I don't see how Davis can change things. And if things do change, I'll believe it's just because they're gonna change sooner or later, not thanks to Davis's genius.

[screamer581]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Woohoo! Rockets rock!


Hey screamer, what do you think of their new jerseys? I personally think their a little bland, and I miss the previous blue & white ones.


I couldn't agree more. The new ones aren't bad by any means, but I miss the old ones. But yeah, Go Rockets!

[horrorfreak13]

The Portland Trail Blazers have suspended guard Bonzi Wells for two games without pay.

The team also relieved Wells of his title as co-captain.
The penalties are for his conduct during the Blazers 105-98 loss to Dallas Monday night. Wells reportedly cursed at Blazers coach Maurice Cheeks upon being taken out of the game in the third quarter.
Wells sat for the rest of the game and did not return.

Yep that good conduct that Portland was trying to do is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally working

:D

[James Logan]

Here's the news from tonight's games (the important ones, anyways):

-- The Pistons beat the Lakers. Just pointing that out to piss Greb off. ;) And just look at Kobe going home to momma:

http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/wallace_254_031118.jpg

:p Gotta point out this is the third straight game outside L.A. the Lakers drop.

-- The Hornets beat the Nets. You'll say it ain't much of a surprise, but hey...the Nets still have the best team in the East (methinks), but the Hornets have the best record, so it shows who's got the best shape so far.

-- And yes...the Cavaliers won yet another game. ;) :cool:
They dropped the Clippers (who were 4-2 until now), and LeBron came up with a pretty solid game: 14 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 block shot and a few easy dunks. That's two victories in a row for the Cavs, who're now 4-7 and 10th in the Eastern Conference. Hope is back. ;)

[screamer581]

Originally posted by James Logan
Here's the news from tonight's games (the important ones, anyways):

-- The Pistons beat the Lakers. Just pointing that out to piss Greb off. ;) And just look at Kobe going home to momma:

http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/wallace_254_031118.jpg

:


*Screamer smiles*

[adamjohnson]

Somebody make a poster!

[James Logan]

Well, the Cavaliers just dropped a game to the fuckin' Wizards, but LeBron kicked butt again: 28 pts, 7 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals and a block shot. Good kid. :cool:

Which brings me to our usual comparison...

LeBron James: 17.5 pts (44%), 6.5 rebounds, 6.7 assists, 1.33 steals and 3.67 turnovers a game in 12 games
Carmelo Anthony: 16.7 pts (34%), 7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1 steal and 2.91 turnovers a game in 11 games

LeBron is still way ahead in that contest if you ask me -- he scores more, he steals more balls, and he's just plain more of an all-around player so far. And he shoots the ball better. Having said that, the Cavs are 4-8 and the Nuggets 6-5, so nothing's done yet. :)

[James Logan]

Oh, and here're my All-Star ballots...

Western Conference: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Tony Parker, Latrell Sprewell, Shaquille O'Neal

Eastern Conference: Vince Carter, Kenyon Martin, LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Ben Wallace

I can never pick just five players, so I always vote several times. This year I plan on voting Tony Parker one day, and Gary Payton every other day. Similarly in the East, I'll vote Tracy McGrady one day, and Allen Iverson the next day. That way I'll chip in for everyone I dig. :)

Oh, and Latrell's there because...well, a) I dig him, and b) Steve Francis gets on my balls.

[James Logan]

-- The Knicks lost again against the Pistons (Ben Wallace smashed 9 blocks...9 fuckin' blocks!). The NYC team is now 3-9...and I hope the GM is starting to realize what a crappy summer he orchestrated. I'm pissed.

-- Orlando is now 1-12, that's right, one victory and twelve losses in a row...This defeat comes as a 30-point smacking in Sacramento. I'm pissed some more.

-- The Chicago Bulls and the Toronto Raptors are discussing trading Jalen Rose and Donyelle Marshall for Antonio Davis and Alvin Williams. I think that if the Raptors can land such a deal...then they'd have a terrific team for this season. The trade isn't set in stone (there's talks of Morris Peterson being shipped out instead of Alvin Williams, and a 3rd Raptors player moving to Illinois), but it'd give the Raptors Vince Carter, Jalen Rose, Donyelle Marshall, Jerome Wilson and rising Jerome Moiso (and perhaps Morris Peterson). Of course the Canadians would then be lacking a solid center such as Davis...but I think it's a good deal.

-- The Cavs played and lost. The Nuggets played and won. Evening stats for our rookie boys:
LEBRON JAMES: 19 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover in 36 minutes
CARMELO ANTHONY: 23 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals and 4 turnovers in 35 minutes
Two solid games...although Carmelo delivers a better stat sheet this time. :)

[Bullet Tooth Tony]

Originally posted by James Logan
Orlando is now 1-12, that's right, one victory and twelve losses in a row...This defeat comes as a 30-point smacking in Sacramento. I'm pissed some more.

What the fuck is happening to the Magic?!? :rolleyes:

Are we the Clippers now? :cool:

[James Logan]

Looks like it...Out of those 12 losses, Orlando lost to New York, Chicago, Memphis, Utah...not exactly top notch teams. :(

Oh, and another surprising fact to answer to Sev's joke when we first opened this thread...Vince Carter's playing some good ball! :) Man's averaging 24 pts, 4 rebounds and 4 assists a game, and the Raptors are currently an honest 5-6.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by James Logan
Oh, and another surprising fact to answer to Sev's joke when we first opened this thread...Vince Carter's playing some good ball! :) Man's averaging 24 pts, 4 rebounds and 4 assists a game, and the Raptors are currently an honest 5-6.

Vince is looking awesome that proves what he can do when he's healthy.

[Rated R]

I'm going to remain relatively quiet because this is a mournful season for us sparse Utah Jazz fans...no more Stockton, and Malone went to the fucking Lakers. Surprisingly enough, we're not doing absolutely dreadful, at least compared to the teams from Florida...

[docholiday_13]

Originally posted by James Logan

Oh, and another surprising fact to answer to Sev's joke when we first opened this thread...Vince Carter's playing some good ball! :) Man's averaging 24 pts, 4 rebounds and 4 assists a game, and the Raptors are currently an honest 5-6.



Vince looked great tonight against the Nets. Sure he only netted a modest 21 points but he made some huuuuuuuuuge shots late and really picked up the team when needed. He's playing MVP type ball right now.

[James Logan]

For the rookie-loving boys like me: both the Cavaliers and the Nuggets lost tonight, but both LeBron and Carmelo posted some nice stats. LeBron finished his game with 15 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and a blocked shot in 42 minutes (3-of-16 shooting, though...ouch), and Carmelo came out big with 16 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists, and a steal in 40 minutes. Which gives us...

LeBron James: 17.6 points (44%), 6.7 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 3.5 turnovers a game in 13 games
Carmelo Anthony: 17.3 points (36%), 6.8 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1 steal and 3 turnovers a game in 12 games

Been a while since I've seen such polyvalent rookies...The only big problem for both of them is their turnovers, they lose a lot of bals, but a) that's normal for rookies, b) they still lose less balls than Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Lamar Odom, Tim Duncan or even fuckin' Keith Van Horn. So I think these kids are gonna be BIG...heck, they're big already.

[horrorfreak13]

Well some NBA news to pass on Alonzo Mourning has officialy retired today since he will soon need a kidney transplant for more click here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1669704)

Also the Bulls fired Bill Cartwright he was 4-10 with the Bulls Here's the Link for that (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1669735)

Expect the Raptors-Bulls trade rumors to continue as long as the Raptors keep puting up less than 70 points more often and I know Morris Peterson has been considered in the trade but the way he was shooting yesterday I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls reconsidered.

[Tarman]

Nick Van Exel took games over last year for the Mavericks.He should have stayed and Nash should have been out the door.Hows my Kings doing this year since they decided to clear the bench and get rid of my boy from Kansas Scot Polard

[adamjohnson]

Well the thing about Nick is that (not only was he too expensive) but he was quite inconsistent. He scored 40 in one game, but the game before he 10, so go figure.

Also you cant really forget how good a floor leader Nash is. They didnt have him bc of an injury for a few games, so they used Delk, whos a good point gaurd, but they all seemed lost without him. So theres that too.

BTW: Im glad we didnt spend the money on Mourning now. I thought he would have helped us so much, i guess i ate my words.

[Tarman]

But looking back at last year with Nash missing games and Finley out and inconsistent play from everybody else when Nick came in the game all of a sudden he was leading in points for the game and taking it over as well.The games I saw when the Mavericks played Nick was lighting everybody up for 20+points.

That sucks hearing about Zo.I thought he was gonna make a come back and be a domient center again.

[adamjohnson]

Well sure, when NO one else is playing/playing well...

:D

[Grebdron]

The Mavs did the right thing. Van Exel is a cancer. Explosive when he wants to be, but he only wants to be when it benefits him, not his team.

Take it from a Laker fan...let him go. I'd take Nash any day over Nick the Prick.

[Tarman]

They said his attitude has changed and he wasnt like that anymore.I seen some kinda 30 minute show about his years in college and NBA.I also heard Barkley back it up that Nick wasnt a cancer anymore. Brining in Twan as 6th man makes since because hes young and a good ball player.Im not even a Mavs fan so I dont even know why Im backing him up

[Tarman]

Now Nick's ballin with The Janitor(Brian Cordial) at Golden State.Thats the tightest nickname ever.Cracks my ass up everytime hes in the games because the announcers call him that all the time

[Grebdron]

Well, maybe Nick won't be a cancer cause he's getting paid.

But, from what I know of him...he won't change. As soon as he understands he'll be losing consistently, he'll blow up again.

He's misused. He's not a true point guard. He's a very small shooting guard, but can't defend other shooting guards.

[adamjohnson]

Thats true, hes not as good a PG as Nashy (the man with the coolest hair ever). And he wanted more than Nash did last year. Nash wants a max now, but what ar eyou gonna do. You just cant have your backup be more costly than your starter. Thats why they let him go.

[jackson13]

Big news from my neck of the woods.


Scott Skiles, former Suns head coach, and graduate of my alma matter, is in high consideration to become the new coach of the Chicago Bulls. You cant go anywhere in my town without hearing someone mention it right now. Reminds me of a few years ago when he took over for Pheonix.

[James Logan]

Just wanted to say good luck to Zo Mourning...I loved the dude. Now that was a fighter. I hope he'll be fine with the transplant.
But about that...the Nets hired Mourning, fired Mutombo, lost Mourning. Who do they have in the center now, heh?

Also think Cartwright didn't deserve to be the one to eat the bullet. I mean, Chicago doesn't have the greatest team there is (and that's an understatement) and they're still winning a couple of games. Shame they fired him, he's a good man.

The Scott Skiles idea sounds like a plausible one, though...Among the unemployed coaches right now, I can definitely see him turning this team around and get 'em to maybe 28 or 30 victories this season. I'd have thought Doc Rivers would have done good, too, but the man said he needs some time off -- and besides, when you just got laid-off because of a 1-10 season debut, I don't think people are really fighting to hire you. ;)

[James Logan]

Orlando is now 1-13. This is getting worse than worse.

[Tarman]

Orlando went downhill big time.Gooden seems like hes the only one who still has emotion and wants to win on the team.It pisses me off when all everyone talks about on Orlando is McGrady and how hes the only star on the team.Gooden's holding it down pretty damn good for this being only his second year.Hes putting up pretty decent #'s.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by James Logan
Orlando is now 1-13. This is getting worse than worse.

Scratch that...Orlando is 1-14.

Aaaaargh!

[horrorfreak13]

Vince Carter 43 points last night against Atlanta now all they have to do is keep that up

[jackson13]

Who owns the Spurs? LAKERS!

103-87. Devon George leads in scoring and Karl Malone becomes the first person ever to get a Triple double at age 40, and he even sat out the entire 4th quarter!


LAKERS RULE!

[James Logan]

Originally posted by jackson13
Who owns the Spurs? LAKERS!

103-87. Devon George leads in scoring and Karl Malone becomes the first person ever to get a Triple double at age 40, and he even sat out the entire 4th quarter!


Having said that, every valuable player from both teams sat out the entire 4th quarter. It was big time garbage time out there...looked like a Chicago Bulls -- Golden State Warriors game. ;)

[adamjohnson]

Indeeeeeed. Just get rid of Kobe, you dont need him anymore.

Sidenote. Mavs lost on the road again. Theyre spotless at home, but spotfull on the road. Their only six losses are road losses. This one was much more competitive, but it wouldnt have been had Dirk not rolled his ankle again and/or Danny Fortson not been suspended those three games for breaking that rookies wrist.

[horrorfreak13]

The Raptors and Bulls have agreed on a trade

To Toronto
Jalen Rose
Lonny Baxter
Donyell Marshall

To Chicago
Antionio Davis
Jerome Williams
Chris Jefferies

Here's the link from espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1673879)

[James Logan]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
The Raptors and Bulls have agreed on a trade

To Toronto
Jalen Rose
Lonny Baxter
Donyell Marshall

To Chicago
Antionio Davis
Jerome Williams
Chris Jefferies


This isn't good, for either team. Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall were the best players for the Bulls -- now they only got supporting actors. Antonio Davis and Jerome Williams were the only true good big men for the Raptors -- now the Raptors have a four good forwards and guards (Vince Carter, Jalen Rose, Donyell Marshall, Morris Peterson) and no one worth shit inside.

Crappy deal on both sides, methinks. The Raptors should've tried to stick to sending a guard with Davis and keeping Jerome Williams.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by James Logan
This isn't good, for either team. Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall were the best players for the Bulls -- now they only got supporting actors. Antonio Davis and Jerome Williams were the only true good big men for the Raptors -- now the Raptors have a four good forwards and guards (Vince Carter, Jalen Rose, Donyell Marshall, Morris Peterson) and no one worth shit inside.

Crappy deal on both sides, methinks. The Raptors should've tried to stick to sending a guard with Davis and keeping Jerome Williams.

I don't like the fact that the Raptors had to give up Jerome Williams but the way Alvin Williams was playing this year and his ankle injury I don't think the Bulls were going to take him and the same with Morris Peterson the way he's been playing lately I don't think the Bulls were biting on him either.

The Raptors needed some scoring and Davis wanted out you could tell the way he acts on the court that he wants to go back to the US and even better he gets to go home

[docholiday_13]

I like the trade. Rose gives Carter his first bona fide second option since McGrady left. Sure we gave up some size but maybe this team can now go with a fairly small lineup and just light teams up with their quickness and attack.

Okay, I'm daydreaming. I still like this team though.

[James Logan]

Big, big, BIG LeBron this night! 33 points, 16 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal, 1 blocked shot...and the kid's just 18! Sure, he did turn 8 balls over, but hey...he did play 55 minutes and get all the big plays.

Too bad the Cavs lost that game after the two OT's...they really needed a win.

[jackson13]

I just wanted to brag about how the 'best team in the NBA', the Pacers, got whipped by the Lakers last night. Who's the best team now?!



GO LAKERS!

[James Logan]

Originally posted by jackson13
Who's the best team now?!



The Lakers, definitely. But that doesn't necessarily make it a good thing. You always want to start good, and get better as it goes. Imagine the Lakers stay on their roll until the All-Star break, then slow down. Imagine the Lakers are strong all season, then they get too cocky and get ridiculously defeated in the playoffs. Imagine the Lakers are great now, then Kobe and Shaq start fighting again, and this time one of them decides not to play. Imagine the other teams get better as they go, and come playoff time we got 5 teams who're as good as the Lakers. Imagine Shaq or Kobe or Gary or Karl get injured in January or April. Imagine Kobe goes to jail and the Lakers can't even trade his ass (I know, I know...worst case scenario).

The Lakers are playing terrific ball right now. But let's not act like anything's won just yet.

[Grebdron]

That's the thing, James. The Lakers AREN'T playiong great ball right now. They're playing good defense, but even Phil Jackson says they won't be in an offensive rhythm until mid-January. They are kicking teams' asses on pure athletic ability. They are only going to improve as the season goes on.

[Clarkey07]

I'm not liking the Raptors trade for one reason:

Jerome Williams was one of my favourite and better players on the Raps. But it does make sense...but I still don't like it. I loved that man's heart and energy.

[daddiefatsacks]

Ask any Raptors fan if they are happy to see JYD go and you wont get a 'yes' response, i guarantee it. JYD was probably the most liked player by the fans (aside from the overrated VC) and definately one of the hardest workers and a spark plug for shizzle.

Anyways, he had his debut in Chicago tonite and he tore it up, good for him, 13 points, 10 rebounds 4 steals and some highlight dunks - im sad to see him go but wish JYD the best.

Im not disappointed that we got Rose or Marshall...im predicting Rose to pot about 16 points a night and average 6 assists with the raps.

[horrorfreak13]

Let's see how the new raptors do tonight. In other news for the Portland Drugusers Zachary Randolph was arrested and charged with a DUI.

The misdemeanor charge is punishable by up to one year in prison and a fine between $1,000 and $5,000, according to Multnomah County sheriff's Lt. Mike Shults. Randolph's first court appearance is Dec. 30.

This will never end

[adamjohnson]

How..... expected.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron
That's the thing, James. The Lakers AREN'T playiong great ball right now. They're playing good defense, but even Phil Jackson says they won't be in an offensive rhythm until mid-January. They are kicking teams' asses on pure athletic ability. They are only going to improve as the season goes on.

Aw, c'mon. They kicked the butt of the champions by almost 30 points, they're the second highest scoring team in the league, the 19th defense (as in points allowed...which ain't great, but still better than the Kings or the Mavericks), they win with an average margin of 10 points, they're the team with the second highest field goal percentage, average rebounding, average blocks, the second team of the NBA when it comes to assists per game, 9th in steals per game, only 19th in turnovers per game, they've won 82% of their games (including games vs. Indiana, vs. San Antonio, @ San Antonio, vs. Detroit)...

And they're also a pretty balanced team for once, as for instance, Shaq has come out best scorer of the team in 8 games, Kobe in 7, Payton and Malone a couple of times...

And besides, it's not just statistical, I've seen about 4 or 5 of the Lakers's games, and they're pretty impressive. So please, please, Greb...don't tell me it can only get better. ;)

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by James Logan
Aw, c'mon. They kicked the butt of the champions by almost 30 points, they're the second highest scoring team in the league, the 19th defense (as in points allowed...which ain't great, but still better than the Kings or the Mavericks), they win with an average margin of 10 points, they're the team with the second highest field goal percentage, average rebounding, average blocks, the second team of the NBA when it comes to assists per game, 9th in steals per game, only 19th in turnovers per game, they've won 82% of their games (including games vs. Indiana, vs. San Antonio, @ San Antonio, vs. Detroit)...

And they're also a pretty balanced team for once, as for instance, Shaq has come out best scorer of the team in 8 games, Kobe in 7, Payton and Malone a couple of times...

And besides, it's not just statistical, I've seen about 4 or 5 of the Lakers's games, and they're pretty impressive. So please, please, Greb...don't tell me it can only get better. ;)

They also lost @ Detroit and @ New Orleans. Through the first 10 games or so they were allowing over 100 ppg. That has improved dramatically over the last 6 games or so. SO their defense is gelling.

Offensively, they are getting by on raw talent so far. Once Malone and Payton become more well-versed in where their positions should be in the triangle, they might not score many more points than they are now, but they will be much more efficient offensively.

The best is yet to come, James. The best is yet to come.:D

And Malone is in good enough shape to continue for at LEAST one more full year, two if he wants. They could conceivably win another 3 in a row.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Grebdron

And Malone is in good enough shape to continue for at LEAST one more full year, two if he wants.

Actually, the man looks like he could go on for another 15 years. He's a fuckin' muscle monster. :)

[docholiday_13]

Wow. It appears as if Donyell Marshall is actually Karl Malone. 27 points!!!

Thank you, Grunwald.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by docholiday_13
Wow. It appears as if Donyell Marshall is actually Karl Malone. 27 points!!!


...and 9 rebounds and 4 blocks! Nice...

Oh, by the way...the Magic are now 1-16. I believe in clinging to hope as long as possible, but I think we can kiss the playoffs bye bye now.

And here's our usual...

LeBron James: 17.6 pts (41%), 6.9 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.2 steals, 3.7 turnovers a game (18 games, 40 minutes per game)
Carmelo Anthony: 17.9 pts (38%), 6.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 1.2 steals, 3.1 turnovers a game (17 games, 35 minutes a game)

I'm a huge LeBron fan but now it seems Carmelo is the one playing better ball. And the Nuggets are 11-6 and 4th spot in the West, whereas the Cavaliers are 4-14 and the second to last team in the league. Shite.

[horrorfreak13]

Donyell Marshall 27 points looks like this trade is going to work out after all.

[Bullet Tooth Tony]

Magic are making me so mad right now! :mad:

[Grebdron]

Interesting trade, methinks. Is Portland bailing out on it's druggies?

Bonzi Wells to Memphis for Wesley Person.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1677331&partnersite=espn

[James Logan]

Sounds like a fairly good trade for both teams. The Grizzlies get a better and younger player, and the Blazers get an older, wiser, calmer player. Good move on both counts, methinks.

[docholiday_13]

....Seriously, man.


Donyell Marshall is Karl Malone.

[screamer581]

Well the Rockets won a nice one in OT against Utah, go Houston! In the east, the Pistons keep on winning, 4 in a row now. Go Pistons!

[James Logan]

The Magic are now 1-17. It's their worst losing streak since the season before they drafted one Shaquille O'Neal. Terrific.

Talking about Shaq...the Lakers played good ball yesterday. Collective, solid, and the way Karl Malone just shut down Tim Duncan in the 4th quarter shows how much experience the Mailman has. Nice. I wonder how Kobe will learn to live with the fact that, if this keeps up, not only will Shaq get more spotlight than he does, but Malone will too?

And look at those Raptors... 17-of-24 3pt shooting! :eek: And yes, Doc...Donyell Marshall (21 pts, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, and 5 3-pointers) is Karl Malone. ;)

[horrorfreak13]

Donyell Marshall has been amazing the Raptors hit 17 three pointers I think he is Karl Malone.

Now that game against the Celtics was amazing. The Raptors can now beat anybody. Well maybe not the Lakers but anybody

[Grebdron]

How about them fucking Lakers? Down by 15 twice. Down by nine with eleven minutes left. Turn up the defence, win by 4.

Is there anything more entertaining than Tim Duncan's "how dare you call a foul" face?;)

[docholiday_13]

Originally posted by Grebdron

Is there anything more entertaining than Tim Duncan's "how dare you call a foul" face?;)


Only his "Holy shit, I just bitched the Lakers and ended their dynasty!" face.

;) :cool:

[adamjohnson]

OWNED!

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
...im predicting Rose to pot about 16 points a night and average 6 assists with the raps.

6 assists???

:D :D :D :D :D :D

No chance in hell! Rose wouldnt pass the ball to save his grandmother's life.

I am soooo glad the Bulls were able to pass off that bitch-ass piece of shit ball-hog. I cant believe Paxson convinced the Raptors to take this jagg-off. Suckers! You will change your tune after a few weeks of watching him heave up horrible shots and then expect the refs to bail him out, only to see him brick key free throws at the end of games. The guy is a loser, always has been. I think Sports Guy Bill Simmons explained it best...he is not good enough to carry his own team, but he is just good enough to sabotage things if he feels disrespected.

Now Marhsall and Baxter on the other hand are decent players. Marshall can be very good if he gets the playing time and Baxter is only in his second year and is progressing nicely.

I like the addition of Davis and the JYD to the Bulls it adds some toughness. Despite the loss last night to Philly, I really see the Bulls turning it around.

And one more thing....The Lakers are group of rapist whores (Except for Shaq, he's cool) I hope their bus catches on fire.

I cant beleive Cubs fan Jackson could actually root for these guys. Dont sell your soul man. Root for the Bulls!

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by docholiday_13
Only his "Holy shit, I just bitched the Lakers and ended their dynasty!" face.

;) :cool:

Good one.;) But...another victory last night, over another "title contender" in the West.

Things are looking good in my neighborhood.:D:D:D

[adamjohnson]

HYey they were without their star player!

And then Malone shoud have been ejected for that brutal elbow, but he fuckin wasnt. That was a flagrant one AT LEAST. But should have been an ejection, yet because he's Karl Malone adn the officiating sucked balls (Just consult the Finley shot in the first quarter!) they didnt even call a personal fould on an elbow that required Steve Nash to have stitches.

[bmain77]

Some of my random NBA thoughts:

I think that way too many of us Schmoes read Bill Simmonds now. He's getting quoted way too much. I like it better back in the day when I thought I was about his only reader so I could steal his material with no worry of getting caught.

Jalen won't be happy until he and C-Webb end up back on the same team. Who knows maybe they can work out a Doug "His Wife's little Bitch" Christie for Jalen trade? Then they can swing a deal for Juwan. Then I'll become the most conflicted person in the world hating the and loving the kings at the same time.

Explain to me why Scott Skiles would have two different rookies (one of whom was and undrafted free agent) inbounding the ball in the closing minutes of an extremely close game.

If I had to vote for MVP right now I think I might go with Chauncey Billups and I'm not just being a hometowner on this one. I don't think anyone is carrying his team more than Chauncey right now with the exception of maybe Baron Davis.

I wonder which Blazer team went throught the most pot. The current bunch or the 70's Blazers led by Bill Walton. I bet it's closer match up than you may think.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
HYey they were without their star player!

And then Malone shoud have been ejected for that brutal elbow, but he fuckin wasnt. That was a flagrant one AT LEAST. But should have been an ejection, yet because he's Karl Malone adn the officiating sucked balls (Just consult the Finley shot in the first quarter!) they didnt even call a personal fould on an elbow that required Steve Nash to have stitches.

You honestly believe having Irk (no D in his game, no D in his name) Nowitzki in the line-up would have changed the outcome? The Mavs have lost 46 out of the last 51 games vs. the Lake Show. And they haven't won IN L.A. in around 13 years. 13 FUCKING YEARS! The Mavs' problem is that they're soft. Great shooters and scorers, no doubt. But until they nut up and play some D, they'll be second (or third, or fourth) fiddle in the West.

We get the Mavs again next Friday, at Staples. Irk should be back by then, unless his widdle ankle still hurts.

[adamjohnson]

Hehe, come on. Did you watch the game? It was pretty close, regardless of how bad they were playing. Dirk is their leading scoreer and their leading rebounder. They only lost by 13 and Dirk averages about 25 a game and 8 boards. So yeah I think he would have made a difference.

About the streak, yeah that sucks.....

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Hehe, come on. Did you watch the game? It was pretty close, regardless of how bad they were playing. Dirk is their leading scoreer and their leading rebounder. They only lost by 13 and Dirk averages about 25 a game and 8 boards. So yeah I think he would have made a difference.

About the streak, yeah that sucks.....

I wasn't able to watch the game. I refuse to pay for cable (fuckin TNT, mumble, grumble.), but I understand that it was never really close. I read the LA Times article this morning, and understand that while Dallas cut the lead to 8 in the 4th, it was never really close.

I also read that Phil Jackson was T'd up for arguing the foul call against Malone, for his elbow to Nash. Since I didn't see it, I can't swear, but that makes it sound like Malone WAS called for a foul.

I like the Mavs, adam. They're fun to watch, and Cuban is GREAT for the league. I wish Buss were that free a spender. But the Lakers just have their number.

And Irk's 25 and 8 a game is misleading when used that way. For one thing, Malone is a TOUGH defender, and George is ever improving defensively. And with Irk throwing up 20+ shots a night, that would take away the scoring opportunities of other players. It's not realistic to say that since they only lost by 13, his 25 would have made the difference.

[adamjohnson]

No true. Stats arent added that way. But he certainly would have helped.

There wasnt a foul called on Phil. I mena there was but not then. There truly wasnt a foul called on Malone. I mena if you see a pic it was pretty viscous and deserving of a personal.

[Grebdron]

Entirely possible. Like I said...I didn't see it. And Malone's been known to throw the odd elbow now and then.;) I used to DESPISE him. Now it's all good.

It might have been a closer game with Irk in the lineup. Truth be told, I'd rather he WAS in the game. It's a somewhat hollow victory with their best player down. But Dallas has quite a way to go to match up well with LA. They are arguably the 3rd or 4th best team in the league. And offensively they are unbelievable. But I kind of see them as Sacramento Lite. The only difference between Excremento and Dallas is defense.

[adamjohnson]

Truth be told NAsh poked his ass in there and tried to poke the ball away. I can fulyl understand trowing an elbow the way he did against the body but he hit that poor little Canadian right in the teeth. I bet he didnt try that again though. I like Karl now too, but geez.

On the defensive end they are no Lakers. They are no Spurs. But hell theyve gotten bigger this year, their reounding has improved and their turnover number is hreat. They could certainly add ot that with some more dunks and assists to spplement their offense. But yeah when they have to, they cant get a stop. But it doesnt happen very often to them, theyre either so far ahead or so far behind it doesnt matter. What CAN solve their defensive woes?

[Grebdron]

They got bigger, but not more physical. They have been, and continue to be, finesse players. I know they tried to get Zo, which would have been a good move. (Until now.) Once they found out they couldn't get him, they went after Malone. But Malone says they tried to mislead him, and he knew they were only after him because he'd said he wanted to play for the Lakers.

Picking up Walker didn't do much. It was almost a wash, giving up LaFrentz for Walker. Both decent players, both soft defensively. Walker will give you a few more points and boards, but that's about it. It appears they still believed they could just outscore LA. That's not going to happen. If you don't get some stops against them, they will KILL you, especially now.

But it's not JUST physicality. One play in the Laker/Spur game on Wednesday epitomized good defense...besides Shaq's 9 blocks. (That's right...9 blocks.)

Malone had set Duncan up for this the entire game. He bodied him up for 40+ minutes. Then, with SA down four and surging, he bodied him up...again. However, this time he made them pay. When the ball was ready to come in to Duncan, which everybody in the world knew it would, Malone BACKED OFF, causing Duncan to stumble backward, which allowed Malone to step around him and intercept the pass.

Classic ruse. The Spurs never got close after that.

I wouldn't claim to know how the Mavs can be better defensively, especially this season. But one problem I'd point to is...Don Nelson. If I can recognize the deficiencies, he should be able to. He's a great GAME coach. But with Cuban willing to spend literally anything to give him what he wants...he can't put the pieces together.

I think as long as Nellie is your coach, you'll be good, not great.

Of course, that's just my opinion...I could be wrong.;)

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Cuban is GREAT for the league.

Sadly, imo, he's the only good thing about the Mavs. Did anyone see, and I dont know if it was on ESPN or not, the last WWE Pay-per-view, Survivor Series? The ppv was at the Mavs arena, which Cuban owns, and so Eric Bischoff called Cuban into the ring, made fun of him, told him he was in his building, since he rented it for the evening, and tried to have Cuban ejected. Cuban punched him, only to get hit from behind by WWE Star Randy Orton, and then hit with Ortons finishing move, the RKO, and left laying in the ring.

It was excellent publicity for the Mavs and for Cuban, so yes I do have to agree, he is great for the league.

P.S. LAKERS RULE!

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by jackson13
Did anyone see, and I dont know if it was on ESPN or not, the last WWE Pay-per-view, Survivor Series?

Oh YEAH!! I remember when Cuban was like "F-you!" And the wrestler goes "No, F-you!"

Wait, I wasn't watching.;)

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Oh YEAH!! I remember when Cuban was like "F-you!" And the wrestler goes "No, F-you!"

Wait, I wasn't watching.;)

*sniff sniff* I smell sarcasm. :D

[horrorfreak13]

I don't know but now after tonight I'm really liking that Toronto-Chicago trade with the Raptors winning 92-87 check out these totals

Vince Carter 8-10 FG, 22 PTS, 2 REB, 3 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK

Jalen Rose 7-19 FG, 22 PTS, 8 REB, 10 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK

Donyell Marshall 9-17 FG, 21 PTS, 7 REB, 2 STL, 4 BLK

I'm really liking this trade right now.

Orlando lost again 104-94 to San Antonio and is now 1-18 yikes!

[jackson13]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Orlando lost again 104-94 to San Antonio and is now 1-18 yikes!

Is that officially the worst record ever?

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by jackson13
Is that officially the worst record ever?

I'm not sure but if not it has to be pretty close Orlando goes for their record breaking 19th straight loss tomorrow against Dallas. Good luck because it won't be easy

[James Logan]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13


I'm really liking this trade right now.


Indeed...Myself I'm kinda starting to turn and change opinions on this one. Raptors among the best team in the East? It'd have been surprising as the season started, but right now I think it might just be what happens come April.

And I don't think it's the worst steak ever (about the Magic), but it's THEIR worst ever (it used to be 17 in a row, before Shaq came in, back in the very early 90s).
Things are looking bad, but I stay optimist. Except Indiana, no team in the East is really breaking away and kicking absolute butt. Say the Magic wakes up, and sometimes along the season wins 6 or 7 games in the row, and manages to not drop 2 in a row too often anymore. Then the playoffs are still a possibility.
Having said that, it's the worst possible situation for the team right now. 1-18, 18 losses in a row, coach got fired, leader losing faith and talking about retiring at age 24 (even if it was only once, and if he changed his talk since...that kind of stuff doesn't help morale), a team getting desperate...

Oh, and about the last Orlando loss...I'd just like to state that even though Tony Parker only scored a few points for