Pete Rose - Hall Of Fame. In or Out?

[Indiana Sev]

Does The Gambler (no, not Kenny Rogers) deserve to be inducted into the Hall of Fame?

I say...fuck him! :cool:

In the spirit of Mr. Rose, let's bet on it too.

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHOTOFILE/AABQ008.jpg

[Moviefan1234]

What he did was very wrong, however, you can't forget his career. He deserves to be rewarded for his career.

[Doc Holliday]

I say keep him on the outside looking in. He was such an ass about it in the first place. He ignored the ban baseball put on him. He is a prick and I hope they never let him in.

You know, I actually got into a heated arguement with a fan of his. This dickweed actually tried to tell me he was a better hitter then Ted Williams. What a fucking retard to believe that. Rose, a fucking Punch and Judy hitter against the Splendid Splinter....NO CONTEST BABY!

[jackson13]

The man has the record for most career hits, let him in for fucks sake! Yeah, yeah, he did wrong, but if Mike Tyson is allowed back in boxing after all the shit he's done, let Petey into the hall of fame.

Im one of 2 people that have voted for him in. If only we could get more and the votes counted. :(

[bmain77]

He's been his own worst enemy throughout this whole thing with being a prick every step of the way. However, I think he has a point. Just let him in.

It's not like the Hall of Fame is full of saints. If anything I think the count of racist assholes is higher. You have a convicted drug dealer in with the addition of Orlando Cepeda a few years back. But you aren't going to include the all time hit leader in the hall.

Put him in as a player and put it right on his plaque what he did as a manager with the gambling and all that. That way he will go down in history as being a great player and also the world class a-hole much of the Hall is.

[horrorfreak13]

That's absolutely right if we can let in cheeters and drug deelers in the hall of fame why not let Pete Rose in he has more hits than anybody else and there is a very slim chance of anybody breaking it

[El Bracamonti]

i definitely think he deserves to be in the hall. if the hall is for simply the best, i think he should be let in. i mean...i'm sure other players in the hall of fame did some stuff a lot worse than betting on the game. i don't think rose should be kept out for betting on baseball.

[Morgana]

Hmm...I had written something already, but let me ponder it a bit more.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
What he did was very wrong, however, you can't forget his career. He deserves to be rewarded for his career.


Very much agreed.

The guy left it all out on the field. Shite, he ran over a catcher in an all star game to win. I dont care for what he did, but let him in for what he did when he played the game.

[Grebdron]

Nope. Not until he comes clean. Let him rot.

[MarkItZero]

There should be an 'Other' option.

I say let him in the Hall. But I refuse to forgive or forget.

He deserves a place in the Hall of Fame because of his accomplishments on the field. However, I strongly disagree with any talk of lifting his lifetime ban from baseball. He should never be allowed in a position where he can affect the outcome of a game.

And I agree with BMain that it should say on his plaque what he did.

[Lynn Minmei]

I live in Cincinnati. What the fuck do you think I'm voting, you pussywank?

[blurofserenity]

Well I would have no problem letting him in if he would just man up and admit his fuckup. But he keeps being a bitch about it, so fuck him!

[MISFITS_Fiend]

I agree with a lot of people here, as I see both sides. However, I feel they should go ahead and let him in. Hell, he was a great player, gambling problem notwithstanding. Yeah, he's being a bitch about admitting it all, but that has nothing to do with his prowess as a player. For a long time, he gave the game his all, and he should at least be recognized for it.

Now, if they opened a Major League Gambling Hall of Fame, he'd be a shoe-in (right there with Michael Jordan).

[tbone]

Fuck him ten ways from Friday. If Rose is allowed in then let Shoeless Joe Jackson in.

[bmain77]

Shoeless Joe is a whole different debate. Their should be no debate at all in fact. It's an injustice that he's not in the hall. There is boat loads of evidence to back up why he should be included in the Hall of Fame.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by tbone
If Rose is allowed in then let Shoeless Joe Jackson in.

Hey, great point! I'd forgotten about Shoeless Joe's ban. Just for that, another "Fuck you" to Rose!

Get Shoeless Joe in there!!!

[bmain77]

I know we are not really supposed to pimp other sites on here, but I think it'd be ok with this one. Its the official society to get Shoeless Joe in the hall. It has all kinds of great info on Shoeless plus links to email Bud Selig (have fun with this feature ladies and gentleman).

http://www.blackbetsy.com/society.htm

p.s. (whatever you do don't go to blackbetty.com...that brought up some very disturbing photos that still have me shivering and I'm not talking about porn either)

[Indiana Sev]

Shoeless Joe! Shoeless Joe!

http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/jjredbluebanner.gif

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Shoeless Joe! Shoeless Joe!

http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/jjredbluebanner.gif

Would somebody PLEASE buy the poor man a pair of shoes already so we can stop hearing about his plight?

[blurofserenity]

Originally posted by bmain77
p.s. (whatever you do don't go to blackbetty.com...that brought up some very disturbing photos that still have me shivering and I'm not talking about porn either)

Well if you didn't mention it I wouldn't have gone there! Asshole!

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by blurofserenity
Asshole!

I'm sure you meant this in a joking way, it always helps to add a ;) just to make sure.

[Morgana]

After much deliberation, and reading everyone's posts, I'd have to say no, don't let him into the HOF. I wouldn't want his accomplishments as an athlete to be overlooked or forgotten, but since so much infamy surrounds him, I doubt they ever will be. Shoeless Joe Jackson was never forgotten, and neither will be Pete Rose. The fact that he will be remembered in a negative light by some is solely his own doing. He put himself into that position, he agreed to the lifetime ban, let him live up to it.

[uncle_el]

let his game on the field speak for itself. the man was a great player, plain and simple.

he may or may not have voted on the game, when he wasn't playing, so who cares. nobody wants him elected for his managing career, just his playing career.

[misfits859]

Hall Of Famer. Period.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev

In the spirit of Mr. Rose, let's bet on it too.

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHOTOFILE/AABQ008.jpg


The classic "point to your bookie" pose. Nice...pick of a pic, Indiana... :cool:




Actually, I say:


Let him in. Forgive and forget.

[jeo4]

I say let him in. If some two-bit thug like Bonds can still play baseball and be a prick, and if some wife-beating punk like O. J. Simpson can walk free after a double-murder (and be an NFL Hall Of Fame candidate), then Rose can be in the Baseball Hall Of Fame. Let Joe in, too. What they did was bad, but not bad enough to exclude them.

And remember...if the glove don't fit, he's still full of shit.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Nope. Not until he comes clean. Let him rot.

BUUUUUUUMP.

I just read on Yahoo that he came clean and admitted to gambling. Now, forgive, forget, and LET HIM IN!

[Indiana Sev]

So this jerk finally comes clean when it's convenient for him, eh?

I hope they let this cheater into the Hall of Fame after he passes away... when it's convenient for us.

[TheAxeGrinder]

Aw jeez, let the guy into the Hall, already! Only in baseball do you find that people bitch about the smallest and stupidest of things. You get paid $60 million a season and you whine about how much playing time you get? Bite me!

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by jeo4
And remember...if the glove don't fit, he's still full of shit.

http://www.robertakeret.com/photo_lan/oj.jpg:D


There are good arguments both ways on whether Pete Rose should be in the Hall. Yeah he broke a rule, no question about that, he admits it. I'm not a fan of Pete Rose personally, but I think they should let him in and lift the lifetime ban. I think he could still have something positive to contribute to baseball.

[Shakamaker]

Ahh, OJ. I'll never forget that evil little 'I'm gunna beat this rap' smirk. Jizz gargling, hairy lettuce hater!

Back to the topic. I don't know who this Pete Rose fella is, but I bet that ain't the only Padre to like his proud, firm buttocks.

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHOTOFILE/AABQ008.jpg

[sharkstank]

No

WWWHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ToRontoRon]

Why was he kicked out in the first place? Oh he gambled, OOOOOHHHH!!! Big f***ing deal. If he bet against his team, then that's another issue entirely, but if not, then why is what he did wrong?

Let me ask you this, let's just say hypothetically that the night before a game in the NHL featuring the Oilers and the Penguins in the late 1980's, Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux would have had dinner together and made a deal saying that if Edmonton won, Lemieux would have to pay next time they had dinner and if Pittsburgh won, Gretzky would have to pay for dinner. If someone would have recorded that conversation and taken it to the press, do you think that both Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux would have been banned from the NHL Hall of Fame in the future? Of course not. Do you think that they would deserve to be banned? I sure don't. Or how about if video surveillance from a convenience store showed Mats Sundin playing a ProLine ticket? Should he be banned? Of course not, and what's the difference between either of these examples and what Pete Rose did? Gambling is gambling, unless of course you're betting against your own team. Hell, if I was a coach, I'd encourage my players to put a few bills down on the team to win to give them extra motivation to play well. Why not? What's wrong with that?

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
Why was he kicked out in the first place? Oh he gambled, OOOOOHHHH!!! Big f***ing deal. If he bet against his team, then that's another issue entirely, but if not, then why is what he did wrong?

It's wrong because he broke rules that were set in place by the league that he clearly knew about.

He broke them, he was caught and then he lied about it. There is a difference between players talking about buying dinner after a loss or a win and actual evidence that proves that you regularly gamble on games in your league. That's why they came down so hard on him. He knew the rules, he's a grown man, he broke them. Just because he was an outstanding player shouldn't give him special privileges over a lesser player that would've done the same thing.

Shoeless Joe also broke the rules and wasn't let into the Hall of Fame. Why should it be any different for Pete Rose?

In the end, I don't think the point here is whether or not that rule is a good one or not, the point is, when you do break a rule that's set in place, shouldn't you pay for it like everybody else?

Besides, he agreed to the lifetime ban. What, even his word means nothing now? Rose finally comes clean 3 days before his new book comes out too. Real smooth Pete, real smooth. :rolleyes:

[horrorfreak13]

Let's see Pete Rose admits he gambled on Baseball and what luck he has a book coming out. He still deserves to be in the hall of fame but I ain't buying the book.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
It's wrong because he broke rules that were set in place by the league that he clearly knew about.

He broke them, he was caught and then he lied about it. There is a difference between players talking about buying dinner after a loss or a win and actual evidence that proves that you regularly gamble on games in your league. That's why they came down so hard on him. He knew the rules, he's a grown man, he broke them. Just because he was an outstanding player shouldn't give him special privileges over a lesser player that would've done the same thing.

Shoeless Joe also broke the rules and wasn't let into the Hall of Fame. Why should it be any different for Pete Rose?

In the end, I don't think the point here is whether or not that rule is a good one or not, the point is, when you do break a rule that's set in place, shouldn't you pay for it like everybody else?

Besides, he agreed to the lifetime ban. What, even his word means nothing now? Rose finally comes clean 3 days before his new book comes out too. Real smooth Pete, real smooth. :rolleyes:

Good points. I guess you're right. I just never personally thought about it as a big deal. If the rule is in place, and he knew about it, and he broke it, then I guess he deserves to be disciplined, no matter how Mickey Mouse the infraction is, relative to what other athletes get away with, (O.J., Kobe, Ray Lewis). But yeah, like you say, real smooth timing Rose.

[The Shootin Surgeon]

Pete Rose is a definite ass BUT

There's a fair share of assholes, drunks, wife-beaters and even a murderer in the Hall of Fame. As long as he never bet against his own team, then let him in...

I honestly don't know what hurst baseball's integrity more: a lowlife manager betting on games or the man with the most hits ever getting no recognition.

I'm definitely not a Pete Rose fan though... I don't think I've ever seen him play, talk or do anything without thinking he's a jerk.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by The Shootin' Surgeon
and even a murderer in the Hall of Fame. True but there is no NFL rule against murdering your wife, there is against gambling.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
True but there is no NFL rule against murdering your wife, there is against gambling.

Hey, don't knock O.J.! :mad:

He's out there every day on the golf courses looking for the man/men who murdered his wife.

As far as Pete Rose goes, it doesn't really matter anymore, MLB will surely cave and he'll be inducted in the Hall of Fame in the near future.

And his book will be a flop. :D

[Nate6]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Besides, he agreed to the lifetime ban.

I don't see how that has any effect on this at all. What good would it have done if he HADN'T agreed to it? He still would've been banned. He probably did it because he knew it was inevitable and wanted to get it over with, and chose to fight it afterwards instead.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Nate6
I don't see how that has any effect on this at all. What good would it have done if he HADN'T agreed to it? He still would've been banned. He probably did it because he knew it was inevitable and wanted to get it over with, and chose to fight it afterwards instead.

That may be true but it just goes to show how little integrity the man has.

He cheats, then he lies about it.

He agrees to a lifetime ban, then he wants it removed.

Sheesh, this man is a jellyfish, no backbone at all.

[TheElephants]

Maybe at the time, he didn't want to seem like a bad person. Lying about it made him a WORSE person. He did gamble, he did bet on baseball. I know that Sev made good points after the one Toronto guy defended Rose, but he DID NOT BET ON HIS OWN TEAM. He never once bet on the Reds. Ever. That would have been horrific and unforgivable. I would hate the man forever if he did that..but he didn't.

Please, to you nay-sayers, let's take a look at some of his stats, shall we?

Hits: 4,256(1st all time)
Games: 3,562(1st)
Batting Average: .303
RBI: 1,314(may not seem like a big number but believe me, it is.)
Over 14,000 at bats(14 THOUSAND)
On Base Percentage: .375
Runs: 2,165
Doubles: 746(just felt like posting this one for kicks)

There's more but I don't feel like posting it.

Those are Hall Of Fame numbers, damnit. I say, reinstate him, let him in the Hall but NEVER let him manage again.

[Sublime]

Yes. He was a great baseball player and should not be looked at aside from playing baseball.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by TheElephants
but he DID NOT BET ON HIS OWN TEAM. He never once bet on the Reds. Ever. Um, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but yes he's admitted to this now too. He claims he never bet on the to LOSE, if that makes you feel any better.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Um, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but yes he's admitted to this now too. He claims he never bet on the to LOSE, if that makes you feel any better.

LOL :D

Yes it's true, I heard him say it on TV. The man is officially a professional liar. Who knows what to believe anymore?

Induct Pete into the Liar's Hall of Fame too.

[The Shootin Surgeon]

Originally posted by Sublime
Yes. He was a great baseball player and should not be looked at aside from playing baseball.

Actually, the Hall of Fame's criteria include "Character, Integrity and Contribution to the Game"

[TheDeadWalk]

A wise and powerful cartoon character once stated...

"What's the big fuckin deal, bitch?":D

Sure its against the rules, but a lifetime ban for something mala prohibita, and pretty much defined illegal by "Christian rite" is ridiculous.

Gambling, whether on his own team, or another team, for or against shouldn't be judged by the MLB, but rather the owner of the team, who could find his general manager's off the field actions being "detrimental to the franchise".

For christ's sake, we've got Jimmy Smith of the Jags being suspended for four games for snorting coke up his nose (NFL), along with the wise and powerful Daryl Strawberry...

O.J. Simpson losing a civil trial for the result of wrongful murder...

William Green and his "Great marijuana fiasco"...

And thousands of other pro athletes engaging in more harmful, and seriously illegal actions. (Who wants to ride shotgun with Michael Pittman?!)

We see this and accept it, but when it comes to the Great Pete Rose, he's a bastard for gambling in baseball! BANNED FOR LIFE FOR PUTTING MONEY ON THE GAME! Damnit Pete, you should've just starting biting the ears off of the opposing team's manager... you could've been let back in after a year or so.

The fact that gambling is a "ban for life" penalty, and snorting coke up your nose suspends you for a few games is pathetic.

[horrorfreak13]

Here's something from ESPN to enjoy

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040107_quickie.jpg

:D

[SykkBoy]

He should still be banned from baseball, but belongs in the Hall of Fame...hell Bud Selig has done more damage to the game than Pete Rose did, yet he still has a job.....

[Indiana Sev]

I just heard on TV that a recent Vanity Fair article suggests that this clown was also corking his bat.

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

Simply put, Pete Rose is a bad egg.

[FeverDog420]

ESPN Classic is running Big Red Machine highlights all day today along with old interviews of Rose and the scandal. If you tune in, skip the pseudo trial by Johnny Cochran and Alan Dershowitz; it's a bore that rates a 6/10 on the Cheese Scale.

Anyway, Just Say No to lifting Rose's ban. He broke the cardinal rule, lied about it for 15 years, and now wants us to buy his book. What a whore. Way to upstage the HOF inductions this year, you sad loser.

If he must be inducted, do it posthumously.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
If you tune in, skip the pseudo trial by Johnny Cochran and Alan Dershowitz; it's a bore that rates a 6/10 on the Cheese Scale. I watched part of this the other day, pretty silly stuff indeed.:rolleyes: I think they should have gone for comedy and got the actor that played the Johhny Cochran parody on Seinfeld "Jackie Chiles" to defend Pete.:D Now THAT I would have watched.:)

Damn my cable comany for replacing ESPN Classic with a video game channel.:mad: :mad: I would like to see those Big Red Machine highlights though.

[The Shootin Surgeon]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Damn my cable comany for replacing ESPN Classic with a video game channel

Truly the Second Sign of the Apocalypse...

(The First One beingGary Bettman).

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by The Shootin' Surgeon
Truly the Second Sign of the Apocalypse...

(The First One beingGary Bettman).

#3) O.J. getting off scott free
#4) Pete Rose :D

[horrorfreak13]

I wonder if Pete Rose got into the Hall Fame what would the plaque say well I founf a few (courtesy of ESPN)


http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p6.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p2.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p9.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p8.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p4.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p10.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p1.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p7.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p3.jpg

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p5.jpg

I love plaques #2 funny

[Indiana Sev]

http://espn.go.com/media/sportsnation/2004/0109/photo/p1.jpg

:D:D

[martyds761]

I have to agree w/ tbone on this. If Rose goes in, then various others should be.

If he would quit being an ass and also admit his past then all is forgiven. But, even his interview showed him saying how many women and stuff. Hell, that's "need to know info" and I didn't need to know. Still a prick.

[loner]

It's interesting to read some of these comments about how Pete Rose's gambling isn't that big a deal when compared to other players who are druggies, bigots, wife beaters, and so on. Yes in everyday life gambling is nothing compared to them. But gambling affects the integrity and purity of sports like nothing else. The greatest thing about sports is that it's unpredictable.......it's one of the few things you can watch and not know the outcome or how it will be played out. Having a player or coach or manager gambling on teams in his league severely hurts this...........sports will then go the way of being staged and being predictable just like the WWF.

If one loves sports the way they are then gambling should be treated as the severe sin it is for everyone involved. Now Pete Rose may never actually have bet on the Reds to lose, and he may be sincere when he says his gambling days are behind him. But how can anyone belive him?? For 14 years he's been looking everyone in the eye and saying he did NOT bet on baseball. Now he says he did and that he's sorry he never came clean about it so he thinks all should be forgiven. Sorry Pete, keep showing up at those card shows and signing autographs for 50 bucks a pop. That's as close as a job in baseball you'll ever get........and deserve.

[teenkiller]

LIFT THE BAN AND LET ROSE IN! I don't care if he lied. People have seen more lenient penalties for far worse offenses. The man is legendary in the game of baseball and I think it's time that he is given his acclaim. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[bigred760]

I honestly don't care.

[JJFlamingo]

Rose was my favorite player, he should be in...:(