hey, wait a minute....

[captainjesus]

ok, this popped into my head earlier.

spoilers for anyone that didnt see Final Destination:




at the end of the 1st Final Destination, the 3 surviving characters were all celebrating in Paris. my question is, how did they get there without dying? i mean, isnt death busting his balls trying to kill them, yet they get to Paris safely? how the hell did they get there?! ?!


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[Jess]

They took a plane.



Crazy, isn't it?

[DaRkToOtH]

yes...and how did aj cook survive her whole year in the asylum in the sequel? FD is praised on these boards yet has so many plot holes its pathetic. the first was fine but the 2nd one was just too bad, sorry

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by DaRkToOtH
yes...and how did aj cook survive her whole year in the asylum in the sequel?

**SPOILERS FOR FD 1 & 2**

Well you have to think that in an asylum, there's little to no danger. There's no sharp objects, and her cell is padded for crying out loud! Death was just waiting until she got back in the real world, so death could do something real evil to her.

And with the whole Paris thing, the movie wanted you to believe that everything was happy and normal. Even the characters thought everything was back to normal. The plane thing was already used, so of course death wanted to do something neat. Hence, the sign that killed.

[TheDeadWalk]

at the end of the 1st Final Destination, the 3 surviving characters were all celebrating in Paris. my question is, how did they get there without dying? i mean, isnt death busting his balls trying to kill them, yet they get to Paris safely? how the hell did they get there?! ?!

*** Spoilers for FD1 ***


Unless Death was ready for the other 57 passengers on their plane to Paris, there is no doubt that they would have made it there safely. Death doesn't just kill off random extra people, only those intended.

[ERIN_LoJ]

Originally posted by captainjesus


at the end of the 1st Final Destination, the 3 surviving characters were all celebrating in Paris. my question is, how did they get there without dying? i mean, isnt death busting his balls trying to kill them, yet they get to Paris safely? how the hell did they get there?! ?!



I was under the impression it was supposed to have skipped them because they thought they had figured out how to beat the system, so to speak. And at the very end they realized that the thing would replay again...thus, the finale.

[WamphyriNate]

TheDeadWalk said it perfectly. Death wanted to restore the intended balance. Killing a planeload of people that weren't due would just knock everything further out of whack. Death is still mad at me for being Whamphyri so trust me on this one. JK

[captainjesus]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
*** Spoilers for FD1 ***


Unless Death was ready for the other 57 passengers on their plane to Paris, there is no doubt that they would have made it there safely. Death doesn't just kill off random extra people, only those intended.


ok, good point. i never thought of that. but just before the last scene it said "6 months later", little long for death to wait isnt it? youd think that there would have been plenty of opportunities in those 6 months to whack these guys. aw well, i dont really like that movie anyways, that was just kinda bugging me.

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[jackson13]

Originally posted by captainjesus
just before the last scene it said "6 months later", little long for death to wait isnt it? youd think that there would have been plenty of opportunities in those 6 months to whack these guys.

There is a famous quote that goes: "The best things come to those who wait". Death was just waiting for the right opportunity. SPOILERS Like in the first with the big marquee sign. Then we find out in the second Alex was killed by a falling brick while walking down an alley (terrible way to kill off his character if you ask me) and then Clear blowing the hell up in the hospital. END SPOILERS

[Cronos]

Originally posted by captainjesus
little long for death to wait isnt it?

why would it be too long for death to wait?

Death wouldnt be out of a job or bored with all the other people to kill

[DaRkToOtH]

death is weird..and yes aj cook should have died..why couldnt she choke on food or water? i mean shit death pulls off putting a ladder thro ur eye, choking on food shouldnt be a problem at all...as for the 3 kids in paris...FD is so full of plotholes i dont try to even figure them out, its a movie

[countchocula]

Eek! Everyone is confusing A.J. Cook with Ali Larter! Respect my soulmate!

[Dark_One79]

Originally posted by countchocula
Eek! Everyone is confusing A.J. Cook with Ali Larter! Respect my soulmate!

Which are you referring as your "soulmate"? I know I'd take AJ any day.

[Sin Eater]

Originally posted by Dark_One79
Which are you referring as your "soulmate"?

I'm pretty sure he's referring to AJ.

Originally posted by Dark_One79
I know I'd take AJ any day.

That would make 3 of us :).

[countchocula]

Definitely A.J. My infatuation with her is well-documented.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by jackson13
There is a famous quote that goes: "The best things come to those who wait". Death was just waiting for the right opportunity. SPOILERS Like in the first with the big marquee sign. Then we find out in the second Alex was killed by a falling brick while walking down an alley (terrible way to kill off his character if you ask me) and then Clear blowing the hell up in the hospital. END SPOILERS

Yeah, but the movie indicated that death would stop at absolutely nothing to kill em' off. Considering what happens during the course of the movie I seriously don't think death would wait 4 months. It could barely wait a day to off some of the survivors.

Here's a few other questions I hope the schmoes can answer:

1. Since when can you go into an asylum and make insane demands like a surveillance camera, the right to total privacy and having the staff buy into the whole "master plan of the Grim Reaper" thing while living indefinitely and getting free food, water, hygienal supplies, heating and a place to sleep?

2. Since when is air itself flammamble? The tank Eugene was using is made of air. How could it explode? I could understand an explosion if the tank was whacked with a sledgehammer, but there was just a spark. By the movies logic the earth should've exploded the second there was fire in the atmosphere.

3. WTF is with the solution to get rid of dath at the end? I would've preferred the original solution offered earlier in the film. It dosen't make any sense. All she did was flatline, it's not a new life.

[ParileseMonster]

You know when something happens to you it affects you and for awhile you are real careful and paranoid about it not happening again and then after awhile you relax and eventually forget and you go about life as usual and then it happens again. I think it is a bit like that. If you are waiting for something or thinking about it, it wont happen. Like a watched pot never boils right? I don't know just a theory,

[TheJadedGamer]

Originally posted by Dark_One79
Which are you referring as your "soulmate"? I know I'd take AJ any day.

*coughs* AJ COOK IS MINE! LOOK AT THE AVATAR AND READ MY LOCATION! *coughs*

We need X-Nightcrawler, the FD master, here to answer you questions. But here is another question that has always bugged the hell out of me.


WHY THE HELL DIDN'T BURKE DIE!? What the fuck? The order of death went like this: Evan, Tim, Nora, Kat, Rory, Eugene. If Kimberly was first to die, and Burke saved her, that means that Burke would die RIGHT AFTER EUGENE. This means that HE should have died in the explosion OR drove the white van into the lake. The real reason that Kimberly survived in the first place is because it wasn't HER TIME to die. BURKE would have died first, given the only good fact that I know why Death was defeated. Remember when Eugene tried to commit suicide? Maybe that is what Kimberly was trying to do, and when she flatlined Death fucked up, and went out of order, causing him to start all over again with......

....the little boy, the one Rory had saved. Once HE died, that meant death will not circle around, getting them all, starting with Burke first (since he did not skip death yet) and ending with Kimberly.

Did I just answer my own question? Am I high? Can I just say this is just a movie? Does anyone hope that Burke dies in the third one!?

[Cunning Visions]

Why does death go to such elaborate lenghts to kill these people? Just give them a heart attack dammit :p

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Cunning Visions
Why does death go to such elaborate lenghts to kill these people? Just give them a heart attack dammit :p

Exactly! Come one death they're onto you. In the second one the deaths aren't really eleberate anymore. An air bag impailing? A tossed barbed-wire fence slicing? Christ, I would've just use telekinectic energy to strangle them. And since when do elevators have the energy to sever human heads?

[TheDeadWalk]

1. Since when can you go into an asylum and make insane demands like a surveillance camera, the right to total privacy and having the staff buy into the whole "master plan of the Grim Reaper" thing while living indefinitely and getting free food, water, hygienal supplies, heating and a place to sleep?

This is the best argument of all, considering that our homless ratio is so high in part to that the government cut back on what qualifies as mentally unstable, thus releasing patients and turning them away en masse. Ali Larter is livin it up, while Bobby is in a box on some dark alley playing with his own poo.

I also reject any "Only a movie" arguments to end arguments or questions stated. It adds life to the film by discussing it (why we're here), and if we can't find the coherent loopholes in the movie then it shouldn't be made.

[thedarklamb]

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[TheJadedGamer]

Originally posted by thedarklamb
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The only thing that really annoyed me in FD2 and I couldn't stop thinking about thru-out the whole film was how Alex got killed off. A falling brick???!!!! That stupid ass polaroid they hold up with him face down on the concrete and a speckle of blood. Totally laughable. I wonder who came up with that one? I mean everybody else died in such an extreme way, and he dies by a falling brick??? :rolleyes:

I'd rather have the flesh eating virus instead. (Like the screenwriters did have it)

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by TheJadedGamer
I'd rather have the flesh eating virus instead. (Like the screenwriters did have it)


Yeah, at least that's a more realistic way to die for a movie like this.

[TheJadedGamer]

Hell, I really want to see that ceiling fan decapitation the commentary track was talking about that was the orginial death for Evan, too.

[DaRkToOtH]

ali carter is much better looking :)...just watch jay and silent bob strike back..shes way yummy

[hbkhhh45]

u cant look into it that much. maybe death just has a sense of humor and rather than have someone choke on a cracker he'd like to stick a pole through thier head from cheating it in the first place.

[chasingbanky]

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The only thing that really annoyed me in FD2 and I couldn't stop thinking about thru-out the whole film was how Alex got killed off. A falling brick???!!!! That stupid ass polaroid they hold up with him face down on the concrete and a speckle of blood. Totally laughable. I wonder who came up with that one? I mean everybody else died in such an extreme way, and he dies by a falling brick??? :rolleyes:



No you see it was extreme....Because it was a falling brick but all the buildings in that area were made of Concrete

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by chasingbanky
No you see it was extreme....Because it was a falling brick but all the buildings in that area were made of Concrete


That makes it even worse. Did the brick just magically appear from out of the sky?? Were they going for a Chicken Little death?
When I think about Alex dying by a falling brick, I get the image of the billiard balls the guys from Jackass dropped off from the top of that building onto Johnny Knoxville.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Well let's see...if I can do this...

1. I think 'death' didn't kill Alex, Clear and Carter in the plane via Paris for what can be quite a few reasons:
a)Remember death doesn't need to blow up the entire plane to kill someone inside (Todd was massively hit in the back if the head and died before the plane explosion) Maybe death couldn't kill them before it tried to kill Alex in Paris without harming more the universal design that ultimately led Kimberly's adventure. . .
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b)Maybe it wasn't Alex's time. . .yet.
c)It would have been harder to kill the others later on.

That question has way too many answers.

2. Burke didn't die because after Kimberly die (she technically did die) death was forced to start anew from a clean slate since the design ended there. . .But there's a plothole since that happened in the same way to Alex at the end of the first.

1. Since when can you go into an asylum and make insane demands like a surveillance camera, the right to total privacy and having the staff buy into the whole "master plan of the Grim Reaper" thing while living indefinitely and getting free food, water, hygienal supplies, heating and a place to sleep?

I think you can commit yourself to a Mental Hospital freely but that doesn't have much to do with the plot. Read final statement.

2. Since when is air itself flammamble? The tank Eugene was using is made of air. How could it explode? I could understand an explosion if the tank was whacked with a sledgehammer, but there was just a spark. By the movies logic the earth should've exploded the second there was fire in the atmosphere.

Don't take factual errors as plot mistakes, every movie has them. Although FD2 has more than normal. Read final statement.

3. WTF is with the solution to get rid of dath at the end? I would've preferred the original solution offered earlier in the film. It dosen't make any sense. All she did was flatline, it's not a new life.

Flatline means death. . .at least in the universe of the movie. So have in mind that she died and started a. . .well. . .new life.

WHY THE HELL DIDN'T BURKE DIE!? What the fuck? The order of death went like this: Evan, Tim, Nora, Kat, Rory, Eugene. If Kimberly was first to die, and Burke saved her, that means that Burke would die RIGHT AFTER EUGENE. This means that HE should have died in the explosion OR drove the white van into the lake. The real reason that Kimberly survived in the first place is because it wasn't HER TIME to die. BURKE would have died first, given the only good fact that I know why Death was defeated. Remember when Eugene tried to commit suicide? Maybe that is what Kimberly was trying to do, and when she flatlined Death fucked up, and went out of order, causing him to start all over again with......

One thing you have to remember: Staying longer than you should has the same rule as 'staying shorter than you should'. Death has supposed to have an exact plan on when to kill people, especially if they are on a list. Think that maybe Death waited enough to kill her so it can kill both Eugene AND Clare. . .which would probably lead Burke to die later. Remember she was the one that caused Eugene's death (by opening the door). Maybe when this happened, death didn't rush to kill Burke because it wasn't his time still, and Kim really rushed to cancel the design.

That makes it even worse. Did the brick just magically appear from out of the sky?? Were they going for a Chicken Little death?

Dude. . .a guy gets sliced to pieces by a frickin fence. . .the worst thing it made sence (in the dopey, extremely farfetched universe of the movies). I don't think having a brick fall from a building would be too hard.

And I did prefer the ceiling fan death. A flesh eating virus doesn't sound too. . .FD death.

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The final statement: (drums)

-Why did Brian die if it wasn't supposed to die in the first place?
-Why did Clare, Carter and Alex die if Alex applied the 'New Life' technique?

Remember the No. 1 rule of sequels: Made for mucho mucho $$$ so the FD2 screenplay had not much brains. . .don't blame it's stupididty, it's not it's fault. . .well it is. . .hehe.

In the end, due to the movie's 'unknown' nature, the possibilities for these kind of plot related questions are ASTRONOMICAL. Better think: Everything happens because. . . . . . . .it's the way it has to go because. . . . . .it will lead to something else in. . . . .I dunno. . .180 days?

Whew...

[TheJadedGamer]

X-Nightcrawler to the rescue!!!!!

[X-Nightcrawler]

Hell yeah! I should strap a super hero costume with an 'X' in the chest...or better yet: a 'FD'.

[TheJadedGamer]

You just need a theme song, X, then you will have it all......probably even Victoria Silvsted, Playmate of the Year.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Yeah! With my fancy cars, hot jacuzzi...Victoria Silvested playmate of the year...

Damn, BaseketBall is one of the comedy best movies ever!! Right after the always so hilarious Kung Pow!

[TheJadedGamer]

Yes, Kung-Pow is an underappreciated, kick-ass movie.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by TheJadedGamer
Yes, Kung-Pow is an underappreciated, kick-ass movie.

I third that. Oh, and X-Nightcrawler, you must be to the "Final Destination" movies as I am to the "Halloween" series. You really know your stuff.

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Dude. . .a guy gets sliced to pieces by a frickin fence. . .the worst thing it made sence (in the dopey, extremely farfetched universe of the movies). I don't think having a brick fall from a building would be too hard.


Well, yeah, anything can happen in the movies, that's why we watch them. But compared the all the other extreme far-fetched movie magic deaths in FD2, the wimpy little falling brick death was the one I totally did not believe.

[Duke Nukem]

If you think about it, Devon Sawa's "brick death" makes sense. Ever since death had starte catching up all of the flight 180 survivors, he managed to survived many miraculous accounts of Death's attempts. So one day, he was walking through an alley (as indicated by FD2), possibly to find a safer way to his intended location. Death is always sneaky. Why not kill him in the most simple and unexpected way? Why not loosen up a brick from one of the buildings and drop it on him? It's ironic, because he managed to survive the most unbelievable mishaps, yet he was tricked in the most simple and surprising. I don't think it's too unbelievable.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler


Damn, BaseketBall is one of the comedy best movies ever!!


"Dude, do the happy dance!"

[MacReady]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
In the end, due to the movie's 'unknown' nature, the possibilities for these kind of plot related questions are ASTRONOMICAL. Better think: Everything happens because. . . . . . . .it's the way it has to go because. . . . . .it will lead to something else in. . . . .I dunno. . .180 days?

Whew...

I'm sorry but I simply don't buy that. I, along with everybody here, are intitled to an intelligent movie. The movie was drenched in plotholes and the production reeks of greed. Your reply dosen't make any sense since we should be able to watch a movie that dosen't assume the audience is slack-jawed and stupid. Shit, I couldn't sympatise with the characters in Mulholland Dr. was so unrealistic the movie became too much of, well, a movie. I like to think of films as illusion and when stuff like poor acting, plotholes and bad special come in the illusion is shattered.

Example:during that scene where Nora is in the elevator and the gang has foreseen her death at the hands of some dude with hooks. I thought were going to pull something original by having her encounter a serial killer (which is a billion times more likely than pretty much any death presented before). But no, it would far less logical and more hackneyed to make death have her fall down with her neck in the doorway and have the elevator gain superstrength and suddenly be able to pull her head off. Christ, what idiot designed that elevator anyway? Didn't he think it was a bad idea to give around 200 pressure in case something got stuck in the elevator due to the fact that a human might make that incident? And it death simply added it's force to the pulling mechanism than why dosen't it just use that power to snap them in half like phone books whenever they're not in public? It's not like it's plan is a secret among it's would be victims.

[Elgyn]

MacReady someone really WAS beheaded by an elevator like that! It just happened a few months ago I think. It was in the news. It was a doctor at a hospital.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by MacReady
I'm sorry but I simply don't buy that. I, along with everybody here, are intitled to an intelligent movie. The movie was drenched in plotholes and the production reeks of greed. Your reply dosen't make any sense since we should be able to watch a movie that dosen't assume the audience is slack-jawed and stupid. Shit, I couldn't sympatise with the characters in Mulholland Dr. was so unrealistic the movie became too much of, well, a movie. I like to think of films as illusion and when stuff like poor acting, plotholes and bad special come in the illusion is shattered.

Example:during that scene where Nora is in the elevator and the gang has foreseen her death at the hands of some dude with hooks. I thought were going to pull something original by having her encounter a serial killer (which is a billion times more likely than pretty much any death presented before). But no, it would far less logical and more hackneyed to make death have her fall down with her neck in the doorway and have the elevator gain superstrength and suddenly be able to pull her head off. Christ, what idiot designed that elevator anyway? Didn't he think it was a bad idea to give around 200 pressure in case something got stuck in the elevator due to the fact that a human might make that incident? And it death simply added it's force to the pulling mechanism than why dosen't it just use that power to snap them in half like phone books whenever they're not in public? It's not like it's plan is a secret among it's would be victims. Oh yeah I will of course give you that, the movie is packed with plotholes. The elevator death also made sense in a way though. Think about it. I know it couldn't actually happen (although it did) that way but hey! It's all in the sake of fun. The second FD was a lame excuse for cat scares and extreme ballsy gore. I know it isn't smart. The sentence you quoted was referring to the original 'Why did it take so much time to kill Alex in the end?'.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Elgyn
MacReady someone really WAS beheaded by an elevator like that! It just happened a few months ago I think. It was in the news. It was a doctor at a hospital.

Well I'll be damned! must be a pretty shitty hospital when beheaded by and elevator.

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Oh yeah I will of course give you that, the movie is packed with plotholes. The elevator death also made sense in a way though. Think about it. I know it couldn't actually happen (although it did) that way but hey! It's all in the sake of fun. The second FD was a lame excuse for cat scares and extreme ballsy gore. I know it isn't smart. The sentence you quoted was referring to the original 'Why did it take so much time to kill Alex in the end?'.

I guess you've got a point but it's just that something about the movie rubbed me the wrong way. You call it stupid and lame but I call it retarded, greedy, highly unoriginal and very poorly done.