Why the do we heck do we need a T4?!?

[Duke Nukem]

First of all, I love the "Terminator" movies. They are the one of the best trilogies out there. They're all great movies in their own individual way...

But, what is the point of having a fourth installment. Let's face it, we know what is going to happen in the near future. Man will eventually overcome the machines and win the battle. In T3, if you listen closely, you even know the fates of key players. We know what the heck is going to happen.

This rant could have been about the once-upcoming T3, but it's different. T3 completes the series full circle. It's not just another adventure for the Terminator to save John Connor. Of all things, they lose (fatefully), and the machines start to rise and take over. And, if you think that's a spoiler, T3's entitle reveals that!

Another reason for NO T4 is this. The "Terminator" series was never about the war between man and the machines. It was about preventing it (as shown in T1 and T2) and trying to prevent it, but fatefully failing (as shown in T3). The future clips of the overruning machines (as shown in all three flicks) were clips for a reason. It was to show the future, we want the key players to prevent. And again, we already know that man will eventually overcome the machines.

Now if the point of the sequel was to go on with that future and the fateful events to follow, while trying bring surprises along the way and be a kickass to fight to the end...it might be cool, but again, it goes against what the "Terminator" films were about.

Besides, if T4, or "Terminator 4:...." happened, one MAJOR key player, who absolutely has no time to make a movie now, would be absent. That's right, Governator! There's a reason these movies start with the name, "Terminator." Arnold IS the Terminator. He is a major aspect of the show! There is NO "Terminator" film without him. Most important, key events to come, as indicated by T3, would involve the Terminator.

So, as you see, this film can't happen. It can't happen for all these key reason. I also don't want it personally. A T4 might only ruin a good thing - a good trilogy. There aren't that many trilogies out there where each entry are overall good movies. Hollywood, leave this series alone. It's made its run. It's terminated.

[Invincible]

Mostly because, fans had been teased with all these future war bits from all three movies...now we want the WAR in all its glory. Nuff said. :cool:

[Cyclonus]

Originally posted by Invincible
Mostly because, fans had been teased with all these future war bits from all three movies...now we want the WAR in all its glory. Nuff said. :cool:

Exactly. I've always thought that if there was a T4, for once they should dispense with the time-travel stuff and give us a fully linear storyline about the war with the machines. Remember the glimpses they showed us in T1? Very dark and atmospheric. Imagine a whole film done that way. Theoretically, it doesn't even have to be an action film. It could just be a mood piece, but given the money at stake, I think the studio would take the "safe" path.

[Hack]

I could personally give a rat's ass if Arnold can't be in the fourth movie. I just want to see some destruction dammit, and I'm willing to fork out 8.50 for it too!

Kill John Conner, Kill Terminators, Kill the world, just kill something big in the next movie. End it with a big fucking bang so they can't have any more, or until they make Predator vs Terminators.

[EvilDeadGirl]

**SPOILERS BELOW**

I'd have to agree with Duke Nukem. I love the Terminator movies. Grant it T3 wasn't nearly as good as T1 or T2, it wasn't bad. T3 told us everything that is going to happen or should happen.

For example the T-101 kills John Conner in the future, that's why the T-101 won't follow John's orders, because his wife sent the T-101 back to the past to protect them. In the end the machines do take over and the war begins, as the movie stated it was about surviving judgement day so that human kind could eventually triumph over the machines, not preventing it.

I wouldn't want to see a T4 because well seeing someone else playing the T-101 jes' wouldn't seem right, especially when it came to the part where it kills John Connor, it'll loose all of the emotional aspects of it. Considering that all of the T-101 models look alike and come from an assembly line, having oh lets say the Rock play the T-101 and come to kill John well it jes' wouldn't be right damn! I liked the way that they ended the 3rd movie and in a way would kind of like to see the war between the human's and the machines played out. BUT not without Arnold! Maybe....jes' maybe......He'll be back.

[The Rain Dog]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Why the do we heck do we need a T4?!?

I asked the same question about T3 personally.

RD

[Duke Nukem]

I have an good question regarding the "Terminator" series: What do you think the filmmakers intention was in the beginning of it all? Did they intend to eventually go on with the man vs. machine war, and possibly show it off in an entry itself? Or, was the the idea just to try to prevent it? Better yet, was the intention to show humans try to prevent the war before fatefully having to go with it?

[The Rain Dog]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
I have an good question regarding the "Terminator" series: What do you think the filmmakers intention was in the beginning of it all? Did they intend to eventually go on with the man vs. machine war, and possibly show it off in an entry itself? Or, was the the idea just to try to prevent it? Better yet, was the intention to show humans try to prevent the war before fatefully having to go with it?

I think your giving young James Cameron WAAAAAAAAY too much credit there.

We're talking about a guy who, up to that point was basically known for Pirahna 2.

The "fim-makers intention" was to make a film that would be successful - simple.

He wanted to make a low budget sci-fi/horror thriller with a good script and a bit of a brain.

He succeeded.

RD

[lalex81]

Actually James Cameron had an intention when he started the Terminator movies, from those years it was going to be a FOUR movies series. With T4 closing the circle.

What Cameron didn´t knew was how huge Scharzenneger would become, because his early plans was to make John Connor the leading carachter of the series, and with that intention he made T:2.

The T:3 Cameron had in mind didn´t have the actual Governor in it as a developed carachter, he would just have a cameo showing how the T-800 was being made. John Connor would´ve kicked robots ass alone. But producers didn´t like the idea, Arnold didn´t like the idea and we all know what happened.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by lalex81
Actually James Cameron had an intention when he started the Terminator movies, from those years it was going to be a FOUR movies series. With T4 closing the circle.

What Cameron didn´t knew was how huge Scharzenneger would become, because his early plans was to make John Connor the leading carachter of the series, and with that intention he made T:2.

The T:3 Cameron had in mind didn´t have the actual Governor in it as a developed carachter, he would just have a cameo showing how the T-800 was being made. John Connor would´ve kicked robots ass alone. But producers didn´t like the idea, Arnold didn´t like the idea and we all know what happened.

That's the answer I was looking for, thanks. Obviously, James Cameron's plan didn't work out. Since it didn't go his way, and that T3, as I like to say, completed the series full circle, I hope that T3 remains the last of the series. However, if the filmmakers really do T4, I'll be there. I don't deny the possibilty of a potential sequel where we witness the battle of man vs. the machines. It's possible that it could be a kick-ass time. I hope they know what they're doing.

[The Rain Dog]

Guys, if it grosses well do you really think Warner Brothers are going to just stop at the 4th installment???

They'll run it into the ground until they've raped the entire series to a shadow of it's former self and it becomes the sci-fi equivilant of the fucking Halloween films or something.

Let it die now.

Please god, don't encourage them.

RD

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by The Rain Dog
They'll run it into the ground until they've raped the entire series to a shadow of it's former self and it becomes the sci-fi equivilant of the fucking Halloween films or something.

Well said brotha! The series will most likely continue and continue until nobody will remember the original Terminator. But I'm all for T4. :D

[Hack]

I loved all three terminator movies and like all of us, I will go and see the fourth.

[Skai]

Originally posted by The Rain Dog
Guys, if it grosses well do you really think Warner Brothers are going to just stop at the 4th installment???

They'll run it into the ground until they've raped the entire series to a shadow of it's former self and it becomes the sci-fi equivilant of the fucking Halloween films or something.

Let it die now.

Please god, don't encourage them.

RD

Impossible. Just look at the years between the three films!! It will take 75 years for it to be like Halloween.

[neco82]

Terminator 4 is a possibility, and not just because the others made a hell of a lot of money.

They need to show the future war!! The series could go in an entire different direction. The fact is that after the third one there is no way you can set the movie on modern times again without making it seem like a rehash, but there's still a lot to be told.

But, I think it'd have to be done without Schwarzenegger or the T-101 or 800 (or whatever model it is, I always mix them up), because he just doesn't fit into the future anymore, it would John Connor's story entirely. And that's where the challenge lies.

I loved all the three films (the third one was a surprise, it was awesome!!) and I wouldn't mind seeing another one, provided they do it right.

[blackendo]

Besides its not really like the story is over. I think of the story as one big circle that never ends. In the video game the terminator dawn of fate (which lets face it wasn't the best) was really the beggining of this whole trilogy. Is in the future and in the end shows Kyle being sent back thorugh time after the t-800 does and then skynet gets blown away. In T-1 is about Kyle protecting Sarah. In T2 another t-800 is sent back thorugh time to help Sarah prevent Judgment day. In T3 (which sucked!) the T-X is sent back to the present to start the war and Judgment day can't be stopped. Now if a 4th installment gets made wouldn't it show the war and how Reese goes thorugh time and then this huge circle gets cought up.


Well I get confused with movies that deal with time travel and the effects of time travel like Steven Spilberg's Back to the future with Michael J Fox...... Well anyway I think there should still be a final film.

[Duke Nukem]

I just got a change of heart. In the very first post of this thread, I explain why there shouldn't be a T4. Well...I just watched T3 again (first time since I got it on DVD), and there actually might a lot of possibilies for a Terminator film that actually does show the war between man and machine.

When I watched T3, I got that old feeling "Hey, I'm watching a Terminator movie!" and it was cool. But, there are a lot elements within it all, that we learn will happen in the future. Well, we do know what will happen in the war and certain character's fates, but it might be possible to pull off in some unpredictable ways. Like, you know WHAT is going, but HOW and WHEN is it going to happen?

With that said, actually seeing those metalic robots and flying machines fight in action against remaining mankind could actually be really kick-ass action. It was already cool seeing clips of that war in all three T films.

Now, I'm not saying that there should absolutely be a T4. I'm happy with the series it is now. But, if T4 was made, and we finally saw the war that was as the Terminator would say, "inevitable," I would welcome it. Of all things, they just better NOT fuck it up.

Oh, I almost forgot about Arnie. I don't how a "Terminator" flick could be pulled off without our favorite Terminator. Maybe it could be a robot from a different line. And hopefully, maybe Ahnuld could at least cameo, like for certain events that he HAS to appear in, like the fate of John Connor.

At this rate, I don't know how they could pull of a T4. But, I have hope that it could be done. That's all.

[Invincible]

It's been on my mind but I gotta ask...

What were u thinking when u wrote a title for this thread :D lol