Flops and Hits at the B.O. - 2003

[Damned Martian]

I didn't know where to put this, so if any moderator wants to change it to another forum, do it.

The take is: what movies have been successes and what movies have been bombs at the B.O. this year?

Rules:

1) Just movies that have ended/are ending their theatrical careers worldwide

2) Take into account the WORLDWIDE B.O.

3) Take into account not only their budget, but also their marketing costs, if they're available (in boxofficemojo.com you can find lots of them)

4) Consider that the money that the studio gets from the B.O. of a movie is around 55% of its worldwide total. The rest is for distributors/exhibitors. (source: the-numbers.com)

5) Type of movies:


Disaster: almost all its budget lost in the end
Bomb/Flop: near half its budget is going to be lost for the company, even with video/DVD
Failure: won't get to broke even eventually, but loses won't be too drastic
Land of Nowhere: it will finally broke even thanks to video/dvd
Moderatedly Well: it will get some benefits thanks to the video/DVD run
Success: some benefits from its theatrical run, more thanks to video/DVD
Hit: benefits are near to what was its budget on theaters alone
Blockbuster: more than the double of its budget of benefits from theatrical run

[Damned Martian]

TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES

Budget = $200 M
Marketing Costs = $40 M

B.O. Domestical = $150,371,112
B.O. Overseas = $277 M

Total B.O. = $427,371,112

Estimated Money for the Studio = $235 M

Estimated money made = $5 M of lost


STATUS: Moderatedly Well

[Damned Martian]

THE MATRIX RELOADED

Budget = $150 M
Marketing Costs = $50 M

B.O. Domestical = $281,553,689
B.O. Overseas = $456.4 M

Total B.O. = $737,953,689

Estimated Money for the Studio = $406 M

Estimated money made = $206 M


STATUS: Hit

[ERIN_LoJ]

Freddy Vs Jason did surprisingly well. Was made for around 30 million, brought in 85 to almost 90 in theatres alone. Very good for a horror film. DVD should be out in December or January so we'll see how it goes there. Don't know how that amount will be rated

[Damned Martian]

THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN

Budget = $78 M
Marketing Costs = $30 M

B.O. Domestical = $66,465,204
B.O. Overseas = $107 M

Total B.O. = $173,465,204

Estimated Money for the Studio = $95.5 M

Estimated money made = $12.5 M of losts


STATUS: Moderately Well

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by ERIN_LoJ
Freddy Vs Jason did surprisingly well. Was made for around 30 million, brought in 85 to almost 90 in theatres alone. Very good for a horror film. DVD should be out in December or January so we'll see how it goes there. Don't know how that amount will be rated Well, i think it hasn't ended its overseas run, but so far:

FREDDY VS JASON

Budget = $30 M
Marketing Costs = $25 M

B.O. Domestical = $82,556,855
B.O. Overseas = $18 M (so far...)

Total B.O. = $100,556,855

Estimated Money for the Studio = $55.3 M

Estimated money made = $0.3 M


STATUS: Success, although it could be a Hit thanks to overseas total (we'll see in a few months, when the final numbers will be available)

[Damned Martian]

KANGAROO JACK

Budget = $60 M
Marketing Costs = $25 M

B.O. Domestical = $66,924,790
B.O. Overseas = $21,898,898

Total B.O. = $88,823,688

Estimated Money for the Studio = $48.9 M

Estimated money made = $36.1 M of losts


STATUS: Failure (maybe a Land of Nowhere eventually)

[Damned Martian]

LARA CROFT TOMB RAIDER: THE CRADLE OF LIFE

Budget = $95 M
Marketing Costs = $35 M

B.O. Domestical = $65,660,198
B.O. Overseas = $87 M

Total B.O. = $152,660,198

Estimated Money for the Studio = $84 M

Estimated money made = $46 M of losts


STATUS: Failure

[Horror whore]

CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE

Budget = $120 M
Marketing Costs = $40 M

B.O. Domestical = $100.8 M
B.O. Overseas = $151.9 M

Total B.O. = $252.7 M

Estimated Money for the Studio = $92.7 M

Estimated money made = $21 M of lost

Moderately Well

[Slim]

Originally posted by damned martian
LARA CROFT TOMB RAIDER: THE CRADLE OF LIFE

STATUS: Failure

Ah... beautiful! :D

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by Horror whore
CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE

Budget = $120 M
Marketing Costs = $40 M

B.O. Domestical = $100.8 M
B.O. Overseas = $151.9 M

Total B.O. = $252.7 M

Estimated Money for the Studio = $92.7 M

Estimated money made = $21 M of lost

Moderately Well
Actually, it would be around $139 M for the studio, not $92.7. It's the 55% of the total money. That makes it the lost you have predicted. ;)

[Damned Martian]

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS (almost a 2003 release, isn't it? ;))

Budget = $94 M
Marketing Costs = $45 M

B.O. Domestical = $339,789,881
B.O. Overseas = $580,595,184

Total B.O. = $920.4 M

Estimated Money for the Studio = $506.22 M

Estimated money made = $367.22 M

STATUS: BLOCKBUSTER :D

[Ed]

Let's not forget the indies that have performed quite good this year... Pieces of April and Thirteen.

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by Ed
Let's not forget the indies that have performed quite good this year... Pieces of April and Thirteen. Well, the idea is taking these into consideration once they have gone overseas. Still, both have turned profitable already, which is a very good thing :)

[JCPhoenix]

IDENTITY

Budget = $28 M
Marketing Costs = $24 M

B.O. Domestic = $51.4 M
B.O. Overseas = $31.2 M

Total B.O. = $82.6 M

Estimated Money for the Studio = $45.4 M

Estimated money made = $6.6 M lost

STATUS: MODERATELY WELL

ETA: oops...thanks dm, i just changed it...

[Cyclonus]

Interesting...where do you get this info?

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by JCPhoenix
IDENTITY

Budget = $28 M
Marketing Costs = $24 M
B.O. Domestic = $51.4 M
B.O. Overseas = $31.2 M
Total B.O. = $82.6 M
Estimated Money for the Studio = $45.4 M
Estimated money made = $14.8 M lost

STATUS: LAND OF NOWHERE-MODERATELY WELL It's actually $6.6 M lost, if you make the count right. That would be a definite "Moderately Well" :)


EDIT for Cyclonus: from sites as:
www.boxofficemojo.com
www.the-numbers.com
www.imdb.com
www.boxofficereport.com
www.cannesmarket.com

[Jon Lyrik]

HULK

Budget: $172 million (including marketing)

Domestic Gross: $132.2 million
Overseas Gross: $109.3 million
Overall: $241.5 million
Loss WW (excluding marketing): $36.965mil
STATUS: Moderately Well WW, but a Failure-Land of Nowhere domestically

I also want to correct: domestic studios get 55% of gross domestically, and 25% of the international gross.

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
HULK

Budget: $172 million (including marketing)

Domestic Gross: $132.2 million
Overseas Gross: $109.3 million
Overall: $241.5 million
STATUS: Moderately Well WW, but a Failure-Land of Nowhere domestically Well it's all about WW.

Its estimate loses are around $39.2 M. That will be a Moderately Well only if it goes well on video/DVD.

I'm curious about one thing: anyone knows where to find the numbers for video/DVD? boxofficemojo has some numbers but just for rentals, not sells, and they're usually quite old (like a month ago). And, anyone knows how much the studios get from these?

[T-1000]

Originally posted by damned martian
TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES

Budget = $200 M
Marketing Costs = $40 M

B.O. Domestical = $150,371,112
B.O. Overseas = $277 M

Total B.O. = $427,371,112

Estimated Money for the Studio = $235 M

Estimated money made = $5 M of lost


STATUS: Moderatedly Well

The whole "200 million" is a rumor that got out of hand. An australian magazine had the budget at $240 million, but people forgot to realize that number was in terms of australian money. Then, that budget number spread like wildfire on the internet. The producers said that films total budget was $175 million, including marketing costs. There is no chance that T3's marketing cost was $40 million. There was barely any adverstising for the film.

[Jon Lyrik]

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl

Budget/US Marketing: $180 million
Domestic Total: $303.6 million
Overseas Gross: $339 million
Overall: $642.6 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $251.73 million
US Studio Gain: $71.73 million

Status: Hit-Blockbuster

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by T-1000
The whole "200 million" is a rumor that got out of hand. The producers said that films total budget was $175 million. Well it was the reported budget on boxofficemojo.com. Blame them, not me. Still it didn't got much money back.

[Jon Lyrik]

FINDING NEMO

Budget/US Marketing: $130 million
Domestic Total: $339.5 million
Overseas Gross: $155.4 million (but gaining)
Overall: $494.5 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $225.6 million
US Studio Gain: $95.6 million

Status: Hit-Blockbuster (will be blockbuster when released in more international markets)

[T-1000]

Originally posted by damned martian
Well it was the reported budget on boxofficemojo.com. Blame them, not me. Still it didn't got much money back.

Intermedia, the company that financed T3, said that they predicted a final WW gross of $420 million. Since T3 surpassed that number, i would classify it as either a success or hit.

[Jon Lyrik]

28 DAYS LATER

Budget/US marketing: $15 million
Domestic Total: $45.1 million
Overseas Gross: $35 million
Overall: $80.1 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $34.6 million
US Studio Gain: $19.6 million

Status: Blockbuster

[Jon Lyrik]

SINBAD: LEGEND OF THE SEVEN SEAS

Budget/US Marketing: $100 million
Domestic Total: $26.5 million
Overseas Gross: $40.6 million
Overall: $67.1 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $34.6 million
US Studio Loss: $75.3 million

Status: FAILURE

[Jon Lyrik]

SPY KIDS 3D: GAME OVER

Budget/US Marketing: $63 million
Domestic Total: $111 million
Overseas Gross: $27.4 million (will increase over time)
Overall: $138.4 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $67.9 million
US Studio Gain: $4.9 million

Status: Hit

[Jon Lyrik]

ANGER MANAGEMENT

Budget/US Marketing: $110 million
Domestic Total: $135.6 million
Overseas Gross: $58.6 million
Overall: $194.2 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $89.2 million
US Studio Loss: $20.8 million

Status: Success

[Jon Lyrik]

THE REAL CANCUN

Budget/US Marketing: $27.5 million
Domestic Total: $3.8 million
Overseas Gross: N/A, prob. not even released in others on video
Overall: $3.8 million

Domestic Studio Dough: $2.1 million
US Studio Loss: $25.4 million

Status: FAILURE!

[Tom Samborski]

Daredevil

Budget/Marketing Costs- $123 million

Domestic Gross- $102,543,518
International Gross- $76,234,291
Overall Gross- $178.77 million

Cash for the studio- $75.42 million
U.S Studio Loss- $47.58 million

Land of Nowhere

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Tom Samborski
Daredevil

Budget/Marketing Costs- $123 million

Domestic Gross- $102,543,518
International Gross- $76,234,291
Overall Gross- $178.77 million

Cash for the studio- $75.42 million
U.S Studio Loss- $47.58 million

Failure

Land of Nowhere. It has broken even on DVD, I think.

[Freeway]

I would say that once video revenue for a reasonable amount of time is factored in most every film except for biggest flops make some money. Heck, Warner Brothers said that they made money off Battlefield Earth, for god sakes and that movie tanked at the domestic box office.

[Shockwave]

Would be Matrix Revolutions be considerd a flop or a "land of no where"?

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Would be Matrix Revolutions be considerd a flop or a "land of no where"?

It's been out two weeks. You can't classify it at all.

[sleekproductions]

BRUCE ALMIGHTY

Budget = $81M
Marketing Costs = $35M
Total Budget: $116M

B.O. Domestical = $242,743,849
B.O. Overseas = $231.6 M

Total B.O. = 474,343,849

Estimated Money for the Studio = 260,889,116.95

Estimated money made = 144,889,116.95

STATUS: BLOCKBUSTER

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Would be Matrix Revolutions be considerd a flop or a "land of no where"?



I think its safe to say that it's flopped.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I think its safe to say that it's flopped.

Not when you add in the overseas gross. Once it's done its run and DVD/VHS buys and rents it should break even if not make some.

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I think its safe to say that it's flopped. In fact, if you cansider Reloaded and Revolutions as one movie (as they were shot in a row), the BO of Reloaded is enough to pay both movies and give a marginal benefit. So what Revolutions will make is what the producers will receive.

[Shockwave]

I have sown the seeds of chaos in this thread!:)

[Tom Samborski]

The Italian Job

Production Budget- $60 million
Marketing Costs- $25 million

Domestic Gross- $106.12 million
International Gross- $59.40 million
Worldwide Gross- $165.52 million

Estimated Money For The Studio- $73.21 million
Estimated Money Made/Lost- $11.79 million lost

Status: Land of Nowhere

[jolanar]

What about X2?

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by jolanar
What about X2?

I would say it's a hit without looking.

[sleekproductions]

X2

Budget = $110M
Marketing Costs = $40M

B.O. Domestical = $214,949,694
B.O. Overseas = $191,500,000

Total B.O. = $406,449,694

Estimated Money for the Studio = 223,547,331.7

Estimated money made = 73,547,331.7


STATUS: Hit - Blockbuster

(Hit = Near its budget and Blockbuster = more than double its budget, so this is somewhat in the middle)

[sleekproductions]

HOLES

Production Budget- $20M
Marketing Costs- $20M

Domestic Gross- $67,383,924
International Gross- Unknown


Estimated Money For The Studio- 37,061,158.2
Estimated Money Made/Lost- 2,938,841.8 LOSS

Status: Moderately Well, although Internationl B.O. is unknown, so it might be a "Success"

[Cyclonus]

*****

(sorry wrong thread)

[Ed]

ok here's my try at Phone Booth


Phone Booth

Production Budget- 11 million
Est. Marketing Costs- 25 million

Gross Domestic- $46,563,158
Gross International- $43,664,069

Total B.O.= $90,227,227

Estimated money for the studio= $49,624,975
Estimated money made= 13.7 million

Vhs/DVD rentals= about 60 million

STATUS= HIT! if I include rental revenues this is a fucking BLOCKBUSTER... yay :D

[Ed]

Originally posted by Tom Samborski
The Italian Job

Production Budget- $60 million
Marketing Costs- $25 million

Domestic Gross- $106.12 million
International Gross- $59.40 million
Worldwide Gross- $165.52 million

Estimated Money For The Studio- $73.21 million
Estimated Money Made/Lost- $11.79 million lost

Status: Land of Nowhere

Estimated money for the studio- 91.04 million
Estimated money made- 6.04

STATUS= SUCCESS!

i knew something wasn't right, i'm happy now :D

[Damned Martian]

WILLARD

Budget = $20 M
Marketing Costs = $15 M

B.O. Domestical = $6.9 M (no data for overseas, but not much more)

Estimated Money for the Studio = $3.8 M

Estimated money made = $31.2 M of lost


STATUS: Land of Nowhere if it goes well on video. If not, Failure

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by JCPhoenix
IDENTITY

Budget = $28 M
Marketing Costs = $24 M

B.O. Domestic = $51.4 M
B.O. Overseas = $31.2 M

Total B.O. = $82.6 M

Estimated Money for the Studio = $45.4 M

Estimated money made = $6.6 M lost

STATUS: MODERATELY WELL

ETA: oops...thanks dm, i just changed it...

hate to nitpick but Identity has made 62.93 Million om video so far, does that help it qualify for a success?

and if it isnt too much to ask, could u get around to doin TCM 03?

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by damned martian
WILLARD

Budget = $20 M
Marketing Costs = $15 M

B.O. Domestical = $6.9 M (no data for overseas, but not much more)

Estimated Money for the Studio = $3.8 M

Estimated money made = $31.2 M of lost


STATUS: Land of Nowhere if it goes well on video. If not, Failure

It's video sales are going very well. Land of Nowhere.

[CyclicNightmare]

Looney Toons: Back in Action ---> HUGE FLOP!