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Morgana
11-16-2003, 09:31 PM
Sunday, November 16, 2003

ESPN.com news services

Four Oakland Raiders have tested positive for the newly discovered steroid THG and face four-game suspensions, CBS reported Sunday.

Oakland senior assistant Bruce Allen told The Associated Press that he knew of no suspensions. He criticized the report but wouldn't confirm or deny the reports of the positive tests.

"The league's program on testing and information on testing are extremely confidential," Allen said before the Raiders' game against the Minnesota Vikings. "So any reports out of that, someone's either violating the law or making them up. I hope they're able to find the people who spread false rumors."

CBS' "The NFL Today" and SportsLine.com reported that defensive tackle Dana Stubblefield, center Barret Robbins, linebacker Bill Romanowski and defensive tackle Chris Cooper were notified in letters from the NFL this past week that they tested positive for THG, or tetrahydrogestrinone. It wasn't clear when the tests were conducted or the urine samples were taken.

Allen said he wouldn't know if the players received such letters.

Agents for the players didn't immediately return calls from the AP on Sunday. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wouldn't comment.

Stubblefield and Cooper, along with running back Tyrone Wheatley and fullback Chris Hetherington, appeared Thursday before a grand jury probing a nutritional supplements lab -- the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.

An attorney for BALCO founder Victor Conte has confirmed his client is the target of the grand jury probe. Conte has been accused by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency of supplying athletes with THG. He has denied the report.



Jacobs, Toth answer questions

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Associated Press


SAN FRANCISCO -- Two U.S. track and field champions, 1,500-meter runner Regina Jacobs and shot putter Kevin Toth, were among the first group of athletes to testify to a grand jury probing a nutritional supplements lab.

Jacobs and Toth were among four track and field athletes who appeared before the federal panel on Thursday. Both Jacobs and Toth have been customers of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, or BALCO, which is the target of the probe.

Dozens of other athletes, including baseball's Barry Bonds and Jason Giambi and boxer Shane Mosley, have been subpoenaed in the case.

An appearance before the grand jury, or being subpoenaed to testify, does not imply any of the athletes is a target of the probe. Federal officials have refused to discuss the scope of the grand jury or its secret proceedings.

But a source familiar with Thursday's daylong proceeding said the athletes were asked whether they had taken the newly discovered designer steroid THG or the endurance-boosting hormone EPO.

The source, who requested anonymity, said the athletes were asked whether they had obtained THG or EPO from BALCO. An attorney for Victor Conte, BALCO's founder, has said his client is the target of the grand jury probe and is innocent of any wrongdoing.

The source also said the athletes were asked whether they had knowingly purchased steroids from BALCO, or whether they thought they were buying legal nutritional supplements.

"Did you meet Conte?" the source said the athletes were asked. "Did he tell you to be quiet?"

Jacobs and Toth were among four U.S. athletes who tested positive for THG at the U.S. track and field championships in June at Stanford, according to another source close to the investigation who spoke to The Associated Press on Thursday on condition of anonymity.

Jacobs and her attorney, Douglas Schwartz, refused to comment Thursday when asked outside the grand jury room whether she had tested positive for THG at that meet. Jacobs, 40, won her 12th national outdoor title in the 1,500 at Stanford.

"Regina was here. She did nothing wrong. She left the grand jury to carry on," Schwartz said after Jacobs had completed her afternoon testimony. "I really feel sorry for these athletes, because they've really become the victims here."

Toth, who has the longest throw in the world this year and won his first national title in June, would not comment after his grand jury appearance.

BALCO was raided by the Internal Revenue Service and local drug agents in September. Conte also has been accused by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency of supplying athletes with the designer steroid tetrahydrogestrinone, or THG.

Conte also was fingered by British sprinter Dwain Chambers, who admits he tested positive for THG during an out-of-competition test Aug. 1 in Germany. Chambers said through an attorney that he was assured by Conte the supplements he was given were within international rules.

Authorities in track and field, and other sports, have begun retesting samples for THG since the discovery of the previously undetectable steroid. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday declared THG an illegal drug.

EPO, or erythropoietin, boosts endurance by stimulating the production of oxygen-carrying red blood cells in the body. A banned substance, EPO is considered among the most abused drugs in sports.


Steroid users piss me off. :mad: Some of these don't really surprise me (I guess Romanowski can change his Bowflex commercials to "Bowflex didn't actually do shit for me, it's really THG that gets me all bulked up" now) but the fact that Regina Jacobs tested positive, that's a real let-down. She was my favorite runner.

Steroid use is a reality in the world of sports, talk amongst yourselves.

PapaJupe2k
11-16-2003, 09:37 PM
Yeah it does suck. They just recently did some random testing in baseball and I don't have the exact figures but I think it was somewhere between 5-10% that tested positive. The thing is too that these guys had known for a while that they could be tested and still didn't stop.

With all the money involved in sports I guess it is just too tempting to try to get any advantage you can, even at the risk of fine and suspension. This problem will never go away.

Morgana
11-17-2003, 09:40 AM
It wasn't too many years ago that ex-East German athletes were suing their government for having fed them steroids without their knowledge. All they were told by their trainers was that they needed to take these "vitamins." Well, as a result of these "vitamins", a lot of them have serious permanent health problems. I don't know what possesses people to take steroids knowingly then when they know they could mess their health up. That's actually my biggest problem with steroids, aside from the obvious cheating. Steroids aren't vitamins, kids.

An obvious steroid freak like Romanowski doesn't surprise me, but it's beginning to look like the US may not have many track athletes to send to next year's Olympics thanks to THG. And swimmers are being tested for it too now. It's just an epidemic.


I feel like making another crack about Romanowski...

Bill Romanowski, 37, for Bowflex.

"At my age most guys sit on the couch. At my age, I need all the edge I can get. Forget this here Bowflex...if you need that special edge, give me a call, and I can hook you up with somebody at BALCO. THG... for that special edge."

horrorfreak13
11-17-2003, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Morgana
I feel like making another crack about Romanowski...

Bill Romanowski, 37, for Bowflex.

"At my age most guys sit on the couch. At my age, I need all the edge I can get. Forget this here Bowflex...if you need that special edge, give me a call, and I can hook you up with somebody at BALCO. THG... for that special edge."

:D :D

Now with steriods and other performance enhancing drugs. I believe any athlete that gets caught cheating should be banned for life from that sport. i.e. Ben Johnson. It amazes me how many people get 2nd chances.

And Dick Pound was right Baseball's testing is a joke after testing posititve after the 5th time do you actually get suspended. :rolleyes:

MarkItZero
11-17-2003, 05:54 PM
Bill Romanowski was using steroids? Shocking!!!


I think that all proffesional sports should test for the many different steroids (and steroid like substances) and they should all have a 1 chance rule. If you get caught once, you are punished and suspended. But if you get caught a second time, you are banned for life!

Its a horrible message that players are sending to kids.

Morgana
11-17-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by MarkItZero
Bill Romanowski was using steroids? Shocking!!!


I'm making fun of Romanowski specifically because it was only a few weeks ago that I saw his Bowflex commercials on tv. What a crock! I haven't followed football for nearly 20 years, but after seeing him just once on the field, you could tell that guy wasn't right. He's got that crazed look in his eyes, and he punched his teammate out...I'm immediately thinking steroids. I think Kellen Winslow should be tested, he had that same craziness to him in the locker room interview I saw with him recently.

I'm with horrorfreak on this one, one strike, and you're out. There's plenty of athletes out there who are interested in playing clean sports. Sure, they won't set stellar world records, but I personally think there's more dignity in clean sports than in any stellar steroid-induced performances.

James Logan
11-19-2003, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Morgana


Steroid users piss me off. :mad:

Yup. Pretty much sums it up.