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Carrieattheprom

11-30-2003, 02:27 PM

An idea has been bouncing around in my head. If I could figure out how to make it work, it'd be interesting.

You know that song "God Bless The U.S.A."?

I'm proud to be an american, where at least I know I'm free, and I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me,

I was planning of making a music video to that song which shows just how much "freedom" we have.

Like Harry Potter books being burned.

Dixie Chicks CDs being destoryed.(not a big fan of the group, but still, it's unfair.)

Racisim

Easy access to fire arms.

And so on.

Problem is, I have no idea how to make it work.

The only way I can read Richard Bachman's Rage is in an anthology. After one school shooting where the kid had the book in his locker. S.K. himself pulled the book off the shelf.

The TZA

11-30-2003, 02:30 PM

What's this about the Harry Potter books being burnt?

Moviefan1234

11-30-2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by The TZA
What's this about the Harry Potter books being burnt?

Some believe they promote witchcraft. :rolleyes:

jackson13

11-30-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Some believe they promote witchcraft. :rolleyes:

I cant believe some people actually think that. I could understand someone saying something like 'Playboy promotes chubbies", but saying a fantasy story promotes witchcraft is a bunch of crap. I remember reading The Crucible in high school, no one said anything about witchcraft then, even though thats what the book is about. Once again it all goes back to this 'freedom of speech' crap. There is no such thing.

The TZA

11-30-2003, 03:45 PM

I don't see how a book like Harry Potter promotes witchcraft; it just promotes brattish and undisciplined behaviour in children. It also promotes prostitution from that whore who wrote it and sold out for the movies. Slut.

Freeway

11-30-2003, 07:08 PM

You guys make it seem like America is the only country that is like this. It's like this in every freaking country, not just America so stop bashing the country you live in that allows more freedom for its citizens than Communist countries like China and dictatorships like Iraq used to be.

AceD

11-30-2003, 07:24 PM

Some of you are missing the point. If we have "freedom of speech" then we can say whatever we want -- and others have the right to disagree. If they want to say that Harry Potter promotes witchcraft, they have the right to say that. And they have the right to burn the books, if they bought them. I don't support that, but we can't pick and choose where we want freedom of speech. The government is not burning the books, people are. They are exercising their own rights.

HeavyK

11-30-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Yes, free speech is nice, but this is a child in a classroom. Nowadays, writing a slasher story should occur on one's own time. The real worry to me, is that of the teacher when she faces the wrath of an over-bearing school administration, and angry parents.

Parents and schoolboards don't want free speech. They want reading, writing, and arithmetic.

I remember myself, after finishing tests used to write a slasher story on the back of my test, and would read it aloud to the class after it was graded. That was many years ago, and the school system has changed. They don't put up with shit anymore at all. If they could take away recess and be able to keep the kid's attention spans throughout the day, they would do it.

As much as i absolutly hate censorship, love horror and adore freedom of speech, i'm going to have to agree with you on this. It was just unnessasary to do that for a school project what with the climate after the Columbine massacre and all that.

Jon Lyrik

11-30-2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Freeway
You guys make it seem like America is the only country that is like this. It's like this in every freaking country, not just America so stop bashing the country you live in that allows more freedom for its citizens than Communist countries like China and dictatorships like Iraq used to be.

Right. That suddenly makes it OK to suspend 11-year-olds from writing horror stories for school. :rolleyes:

Go ahead. Preach about having this faux-freedom in the light of rights revoked.

I once wrote a story like that in third grade, I wasn't suspended, I actually got a high mark from it. But this kid gets suspended.

If they could take away recess and be able to keep the kid's attention spans throughout the day, they would do it.

They did that in the school of my town, but that's OT.

Beeblebrox

11-30-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by AceD
The government is not burning the books, people are. They are exercising their own rights.

Not correct. In this case, a PUBLIC SCHOOL (a govt establishment) is telling a student what he can and can't write in a fictional story. The story was fiction, not a threat, not a manifesto, not obsene. He was explicitly allowed to write "anything he wanted." It simply reminded the school too much of the Columbine shootings and the student was suspended for it by an overreactive and paranoid school administration.

That's a TEXTBOOK example of censorship and not only does it happen in America, it's becoming all too acceptible for our govt (paticularly under this administration) to use "security" as an excuse to undermine the First Amendment.

Jon Lyrik

11-30-2003, 10:13 PM

And aren't public schools government-owned?

SkyNet

11-30-2003, 11:18 PM

i have come to realize that our Right To Free Speech is the biggest bunch of crock in american history!

For every "Free Speech" case there is.. there are about 20 lupoles found by overpaid shit bag lawyers.

If that were the case, than protesters would never get arrested.. because the Right To Free Speech and The Right To Assemble says they can.... but wait.. is there a contridiction in our laws and our constitution.. oh i believe so... because basically if you protest you are also being disruptive in public.

In this case.. the fact that the kid had express permission from the classmates depicted in his story should be fact enough to NOT have any action take place. But the world is a fucked up place where you have to satisfy everyone, even though everyone wants something different.

Another thing that says freedon of speech is gone is: Boards Like These! Even though it is a privately run site... Joblo and the Mods still have total control over what can and cant be said on these boards. If Freedom of SPeech was a true 100% thing.. they couldnt do that! (but in some cases on these boards, i can understand the censorship of what some people say.. i have read some pretty stupid threats on these boards)!

The Rain Dog

11-30-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by slasherfan
I started a topic like this in the horror section but decided it deserved a rant!
http://www.horror.com/php/article-313-1.html

Read that artical, it states how a boy wrote a slasher novel for a school project with various class mates being killed (Killed class mates where told about it and asked permission), the kid winds up being suspended over this! It's a joke, I thought America allowed freedom of speech?

"Home of the free" indeed :rolleyes:

RD

Beeblebrox

12-01-2003, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Freeway
You guys make it seem like America is the only country that is like this. It's like this in every freaking country, not just America so stop bashing the country you live in that allows more freedom for its citizens than Communist countries like China and dictatorships like Iraq used to be.

Is that really the height of our expectations now that Bush is in charge? "At least you're not in China, so shut the hell up!" Welcome to the new America.

Well, maybe most of us do have some freedoms left, but some of us surely do not. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,552060,00.html)

The TZA

12-01-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by SkyNet
If that were the case, than protesters would never get arrested.. because the Right To Free Speech and The Right To Assemble says they can.... but wait.. is there a contridiction in our laws and our constitution.. oh i believe so... because basically if you protest you are also being disruptive in public.

Protestors are assholes, especially anti-war protestors. Anyone who takes the time to make a stupid placard with "Free the..." or "No more..." should be run over. But I'm digressing.

phallusinchains

12-01-2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by jackson13
Freedom of speech is a figment of everyones imagination. Sometimes I swear this country was founded on Hipocracy.

america`s free,as long as you conform.

phallusinchains

12-01-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by The TZA
Protestors are assholes, especially anti-war protestors. Anyone who takes the time to make a stupid placard with "Free the..." or "No more..." should be run over. But I'm digressing.

because they have different beliefs than you do?

phallusinchains

12-01-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Freeway
You guys make it seem like America is the only country that is like this.

i`m not gonna smile and accept their bullshit and put a little flag on my car window just because they say some people in another country have it worse,i don`t care if they have it worse,they aren`t my responsibility emotionally or financially, and if someone constantly punches you in the face are you gonna say well atleast i`m not getting shot,no you`re gonna want it to stop.so that be grateful for the bullshit your forcefed doesn`t work with me.

It's like this in every freaking country, not just America so stop bashing the country you live in that allows more freedom for its citizens than Communist countries like China and dictatorships like Iraq used to be.

stop bashing it Why? i didn`t ask to be born here ,anyhow isn`t america supposed to be free to say what you want? i guess that`s only for people who are just like the rest of the sheep and don`t actually have anything to say.

The TZA

12-01-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by phallusinchains
because they have different beliefs than you do?

Nope, because they are being selfish, spoilt little assholes. Because half the time they don't even know why they are protesting. Because most of their bullshit just blocks up traffic (that means ambulances and police cars struggle to get through in emergencies). And because most of them do it just to get their ugly faces on TV. I hate them, whether they are protesting for or against something I agree or disagree with.

SkyNet

12-01-2003, 11:20 AM

i also hate protesters... i was just saying!

It reminds me of a hilarious line from Mitch Hedbergs Stand Up:

"Im Against Protesting... But i have no way of showing it"!

Carrieattheprom

12-01-2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Is that really the height of our expectations now that Bush is in charge? "At least you're not in China, so shut the hell up!" Welcome to the new America.

Well, maybe most of us do have some freedoms left, but some of us surely do not. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,552060,00.html)

Yeah, this is the new America. Speaking of which, Why was it okay to diss Clinton, who just got too horney, but if you diss Bush, who are sending out soilders to be killed looking for "weapons of mass distruction" that were never found, you support the terrorists.

Could someone please explain that?

And guys, if we(including me) can't discuss this civily the thread will be shut down by the mods.

Beeblebrox

12-01-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by The TZA
Anyone who takes the time to make a stupid placard with "Free the..." or "No more..." should be run over. But I'm digressing.

Yep, that's part of the new America. Instead of celebrating dissent, now anyone who disagrees with Fearless Leader should be killed (or did you mean that we should just physically injure them?).

Thanks to Bush, we get closer and closer to being like China everyday (although if you recall the famous tank and student in Tienenmen Square, you'll know that even the Chinese don't run over their protestors).

The Postmaster General

12-01-2003, 12:48 PM

Well, I think it's pretty clear cut. I mean, I honestly did support Clinton, because, well, I honestly do support oral sex and fringe benefits.

So, I mean, the conservatives have a good arguement in saying that I may support terrorists.

But I don't, and Linda Tripp probably also wouldn't mind having someone go down on her.

I agree with the ACLU on this issue with the horror writing. It has gotten so much worse since the time I had to talk to school officials over a horror story I wrote. This kid got flat out suspended - no tolerence.

That is the real problem -- No Tolerance. Where does it stop? Hey, we don't tolerate any infraction of the rules. Hey, why not just become intolerable of groups of people? That could save time! We could create databases of people who might be up to no good, and we won't tolerate them. We'll call it the Freedom Act, or something exciting. Yeah, we're not allowed to be intolerant of Japs, Jews, Blacks, and Indians anymore -- It must be the potential criminals now. Yes, we will put it all in the Minority Report! 1984 is here mutherfucker, and Sandy Claws is ready for Christmas. HO! HO! HO! Watch where you stick your credit card this holiday season. Eisner's going down. Booyah!

Grebdron

12-01-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Yep, that's part of the new America. Instead of celebrating dissent, now anyone who disagrees with Fearless Leader should be killed (or did you mean that we should just physically injure them?).

Thanks to Bush, we get closer and closer to being like China everyday (although if you recall the famous tank and student in Tienenmen Square, you'll know that even the Chinese don't run over their protestors).

We get it.

Left = Good.

Right = Bad.

That is all.

P.S. Censorship sucks. But self-censorship has its place.

The TZA

12-01-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Yep, that's part of the new America. Instead of celebrating dissent, now anyone who disagrees with Fearless Leader should be killed (or did you mean that we should just physically injure them?).

*Note: getting off-topic now, so my apologies but I just need to expand*

Please don't take me seriously when I suggest vehicular homicide - no wonder schools think a kid is going to be a murderer just because he writes a horror story; we can't make any comment anymore without people reading too much into it.

The reason I hate protestors is not because of what they believe in, or are for/against, but because they are assholes and their protests are redundant. Take anti-war sentiments. Now I personally was against going to Iraq, so if people want to protest then fine. However, now we have soldiers there and yet people STILL protest - how scary would it be if America and Britain etc. pulled their soldiers out and caved in to pressure from housewives with nothing better to do than wave placards about? People with absolutely no political knowledge or intellect? People who don't know the first thing about this war? And that's without taking into consideration the fact that every Kurd and anti-Saddam Iraqi would be slaughtered if our soldiers moved out.

THAT is why I hate protestors, they have nothing better to do than argue their childlike views on bits of cardboard, without thinking outside the box, and without taking into consideration everybody else, such as people who are trying to drive to work but have to go on a detour because a bunch of hippys are blocking up all the roads.

Again, I know this is getting WAY off topic, but I felt compelled to explain myself.

Now let's get back to caining school authorities.

Beeblebrox

12-01-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by The TZA
The reason I hate protestors is not because of what they believe in, or are for/against, but because they are assholes and their protests are redundant.

If it's not about what they believe in, then why single out anti-war protestors and then provide a list of reasons why it's anti-war protestors specifically that you hate? You say that "if people want to protest, that's fine" but clearly it isn't "fine" to you. You suggested running over them with your car (which I understand was figurative).

If you think people should only be allowed to protest on causes you think are okay, then just say so.

People with absolutely no political knowledge or intellect? People who don't know the first thing about this war? And that's without taking into consideration the fact that every Kurd and anti-Saddam Iraqi would be slaughtered if our soldiers moved out.

The fact is that study after study shows that the people who most support the war and the occupation know the least about it. Those who oppose the war and the occupation know the most about it. For example, those who supported the war and the occupation believed erroneously that some or all of the 9-11 terrorists were Iraqis and that proof linking Al Qaeda with Iraq was established before war started.

So if you believe that our freedom to protest should be based on our knowledge of the subject, then most of the anti-war protestors know more about the subject than the people they are somehow inconveniencing.

To get back on topic, my point is that too many people are too willing to sacrifice everyone else's freedom for their own false sense of security (or in your case, convenience). And that's not what America is all about. In fact, that attitude has more in common with totalitarian regimes, which place "order" above civil liberty in importance, than it does the foundation of a free society, which places civil liberty above all else.

electriclite

12-01-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by The Rain Dog
"Home of the free" indeed :rolleyes:

RD

We have become a nation of Kyle's mom.

Do all us US schmoes remember those commercials after the whole war on terror was announced, where they show these various scenarios of what America would be like without freedom?

The kid who gets picked up by government agents when he asks for a library book that's no longer available.

I look at these commericals and I realize, THAT'S ALREADY GOING ON!

It just blows my mind at how easily people in this country are willing to chuck their civil liberties all for the illusion of safety.

And to add insult to injury, you have US troops going off to die in foreign countries all under the premise that they are defending our freedom! I think maybe they should bring them back to this country to do that. :rolleyes: :mad:

This whole horror story thing is making me breathe a sigh of relief, since just recently I had to write a horror story about a doll coming to life and threatening to stab a young boy in his sleep. Scared the hell out of my teacher, but thankfully she had the steel will and fortitude to not call the cops and administration on me:rolleyes: But maybe that's because she's Russian (shrug)

You know, instead of jumping to far off conclusions about things, why don't people actually sit down and talk with kids and actually take time to figure out what's going on in their little minds.

A radical thought, but one who's time I think has come.

Jon Lyrik

12-01-2003, 03:39 PM

Left-Evil bleeding-heart commies.
Right-Greedy, stone-hearted pigs.

Now everyone is offended.

To swing this back on topic, schools these days have pretty poor standards and rules, so this doesn't surprise me. Last year I heard about a Canadian girl, same age, who drew a picture of her teacher with an arrow in her head for flunking her. It was a private drawing, and the teacher found it, and she was suspended.

Now people wonder why kids think school sucks.

SkyNet

12-01-2003, 03:45 PM

the reason this war affects me more than any other war to date is because i have one of my best friends of over 15 years over there fighting. And i find myself having many sleepless nights hoping that he will come home, and come home the same person he was when he left. I know only what i have heard of this war.. but i do kno i am against it whole heartedly, and i wish Bush would just admit that this war was all about his fucking approval rating with the US voters, and that all the soldiers who have been killed.. have died for no fucking reason.

Back OT... this kid getting suspended for writing a fictitious Horror Story is fucking BULL. I wasnt under the impression tha the only stories you were alloud to write in school were essays on the fucking teletubbies! That ties into that cocksucker principal who called in the cops to his school to arrest kids with drugs.. they forced kids to the ground and treated them like criminals.. and at the end of the day.. they didnt even find one fucking SEED of WEED! I am fucking glad i am in college and dont have to deal with the BS of todays Public School System.. because it is bull shit. There is no more self expression, all there is, is the world being conformed to live the way others want.

HeavyK

12-01-2003, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
Left-Evil bleeding-heart commies.
Right-Greedy, stone-hearted pigs.

Agreed, that's why i'm a moderate.

phallusinchains

12-01-2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by The TZA
Nope, because they are being selfish, spoilt little assholes. Because half the time they don't even know why they are protesting. Because most of their bullshit just blocks up traffic (that means ambulances and police cars struggle to get through in emergencies). And because most of them do it just to get their ugly faces on TV. I hate them, whether they are protesting for or against something I agree or disagree with.

How could you possibly know this? have you met all of them?you shouldn`t judge everyone by other peoples actions ,dude your a bigot.

ERIN_LoJ

12-01-2003, 11:24 PM

My brothers school story was with all these natural disasters, bombs, combets and stuff blowing up his school -- happening as he went from class to class.

He isnt troubled at all and not into horror. His teacher thought it was cute even though it was obvious the teacher got killed in it. He laughed and gave a good grade.

phallusinchains

12-01-2003, 11:29 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The TZA

The reason I hate protestors is not because of what they believe in, or are for/against, but because they are assholes and their protests are redundant. Take anti-war sentiments. Now I personally was against going to Iraq, so if people want to protest then fine. However, now we have soldiers there and yet people STILL protest - how scary would it be if America and Britain etc. pulled their soldiers out and caved in to pressure from housewives with nothing better to do than wave placards about? People with absolutely no political knowledge or intellect? People who don't know the first thing about this war? And that's without taking into consideration the fact that every Kurd and anti-Saddam Iraqi would be slaughtered if our soldiers moved out.

THAT is why I hate protestors, they have nothing better to do than argue their childlike views on bits of cardboard, without thinking outside the box

is thinking outside the box,repeating everything you saw on fox news this evening?

Again dude you`re just stereotyping a group of people who you are afraid of,whatever dude you could say you aren`t racist or prejudice,but that`s exactly what you are.

phallusinchains

12-01-2003, 11:36 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beeblebrox
[B]If it's not about what they believe in, then why single out anti-war protestors and then provide a list of reasons why it's anti-war protestors specifically that you hate? You say that "if people want to protest, that's fine" but clearly it isn't "fine" to you. You suggested running over them with your car (which I understand was figurative).

it stems from his own insecurity and self hatred,he needs some group to hate to make him feel better about himself and morally superior , the protestors are the most socially acceptable group to hate right now,so there you go.

Gregorious8

12-02-2003, 12:03 AM

I have to agree with the fact the kid is a commie.

Country1969

12-02-2003, 12:07 AM

This kid should have not been suspended. The teacher told them to write a story and that's what he did. Was there any exceptions given out to these students? If the teacher didn't want a horror story, he/she should have told the students this.
The teacher is the problem. That goes to show you that even when kids do their school work, they still get nagged about it.

phallusinchains

12-02-2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Gregorious8
I have to agree with the fact the kid is a commie.

is commie a new redneck mating call? because i just don`t see the link between a kid who writes a story and a communist.sorry man

badberry

12-02-2003, 01:13 AM

I do think that the content of the story was a little innappropriate given the situation, but a suspension is going a bit too far. A discussion with the child and his parents probably would have cleared things up.

Personally, I also think that the kids mom has some issues as well, letting her 11 year old watch slasher films and then encouraging him to write a similiar story starring himself and his classmates....

phallusinchains

12-02-2003, 01:20 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by badberry
[B]I do think that the content of the story was a little innappropriate given the situation, but a suspenstion is going a bit too far.

why? because the school or teacher didn`t like it?

adamjohnson

12-02-2003, 02:00 AM

the new rules are retarded (what are they called, I cant remember but it basically means "One strike and youre gone")

My friend had a (well no not friend, jackass) had a butter knife in the back of his truck acorss the f-ing street in the parking lot and they got onto him. A FUCKING BUTTER KNIFE!!

badberry

12-02-2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by phallusinchains

why? because the school or teacher didn`t like it?

No....because its a school for gods sakes...the kid was writing about killing his peers. I'm sure many parents would be unnerved if they heard that a student in their child's class was doing that. You can rant about freedom of speech all you like, but there has to be rules in a structured environment like public school The kid can write his stories in his own time. It's unfortunate, but these days you can't be too careful about safety in schools, which is a sad indicator of the society we live in.

badberry

12-02-2003, 02:15 AM

Beeblebrox

12-02-2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by badberry
You can rant about freedom of speech all you like, but there has to be rules in a structured environment like public school The kid can write his stories in his own time.

"Rant" about free speech? Oy.

The kid was given an assignment in which he could write ANYTHING HE WANTED. He did that and was suspended for it. There is no justification for that whatsoever. It is the act of an overly paranoid administration sacrificing a kid's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS for a false sense of security.

It's unfortunate, but these days you can't be too careful about safety in schools, which is a sad indicator of the society we live in.

I think the eagerness to sell out the Constitution in order to pretend our kids are somehow safer is the sad indicator of the society we live in. This flippant attitude about freedom is the sad indicator. The belief that sacrificing our civil liberties makes us safer is the sad indicator.

Tommy Doyle

12-02-2003, 03:26 AM

I wrote three such stories in Jr. High (one I never finished actually...), and received high marks for both that I turned in.

One was called "Friends 'till the End". I used all real people (my friends) as characters, and myself as the main character! (man, I love being totally self involved... :p). Hell, I even threw my mom into the mix (although she never got the axe, so to speak, in the story). It was a slasher book. Something like 148 pages, computer typed, single spaced. One of the characters (my best friend at the time), basically offed everyone except for two character (myself included... lmao! :D), and ended up getting shoved off a cliff at the end. My teacher was so psyched that an 8th grade student could have the determination and the discipline (if not the best writing skills on the face of the planet) I got almost perfect marks on it. I didn't ask permission from my friends, I just wrote it. I would let them read it a chapter at a time as I finished it, they were all very supportive (some even asked to be killed off!).

The second one I wrote (and turned in) was called Posession. It was longer than the first, close to 200 pages. Again, myself as the main character, and a bunch of my close friends as the other characters. It was a devil posession story. (Imagine that, being sacrilegious as well as killing off all your friends!!). Again, I got incredible marks for it (from two seperate teachers. I turned it in to one teacher just so he could read it, and my English teacher for my project) and high praise from everyone that read it. Again, I never asked my friends, but I let them read it as I wrote it.

I never finished the third one, but my teacher and all my friends (especially the ones I was using as characters), were incredibly excited. It kind of turned into a thing... Who was he going to put into his books? Who was going to get killed off? Was it going to be longer than the last one? What was it going to be about this time?

The fact of the matter is it was pure and absolute fiction. Never did I have a single intention to slash my friends throats. Never was it meant to be taken as anything other than the over active imagination of an 8th grader.

Suspending a student for doing his assignment (one in which he even asked permission to fictionally kill of his classmates, that's scarier than anything he could have possibly written to me... :p) is beyond me.... I wouldn't have finished the year if I was suspsended for everytime I killed a friend in a story I had written. A story isn't necessarily a sign of things to come... it could possibly be a sign of creativeness, and hell, let's shut that down as quick as we can!

Hell, I don't know where I'm going with this. All I know is that I'm not a sick bastard, I didn't deserve to be suspended for the stories I had written, and the world has become a little too restrictive these days. I feel bad for the kid and his parents. I also feel bad for the idiots that suspended him, because if THAT is the way their minds work, then I think they've got bigger problems than a kid with a creative streak could ever have...

Beeblebrox

12-02-2003, 05:00 AM

As if it couldn't get more ridiculous:

LAFAYETTE, Louisiana (AP) -- A 7-year-old boy was scolded and forced to write "I will never use the word 'gay' in school again" after he told a classmate about his lesbian mother, the American Civil Liberties Union alleged Monday.

Second-grader Marcus McLaurin was waiting for recess November 11 at Ernest Gaullet Elementary School when a classmate asked about Marcus' mother and father, the ACLU said in a complaint.

Marcus responded he had two mothers because his mother is gay. When the other child asked for explanation, Marcus told him: "Gay is when a girl likes another girl," according to the complaint.

A teacher who heard the remark scolded Marcus, telling him "gay" was a "bad word" and sending him to the principal's office. The following week, Marcus had to come to school early and repeatedly write: "I will never use the word 'gay' in school again."

A phone message left for Lafayette Parish schools superintendent James Easton was not immediately returned.

The ACLU is demanding the case be removed from Marcus' file and that the school apologize to the boy and his mother, Sharon Huff.

"I was concerned when the assistant principal called and told me my son had said a word so bad that he didn't want to repeat it over the phone," Huff said. "But that was nothing compared to the shock I felt when my little boy came home and told me that his teacher had told him his family is a dirty word."

jackson13

12-02-2003, 10:00 AM

I could understand if it was used in a different context, like 'Dude, your Gay" or 'Your a fag'. That seems to be the 'cool' thing to do nowadays; insult someone by calling them gay. Hell the other day, a friend of mine was at Pizza Hut and he ran into an ex-friend of mine, who asked about me, and when my friend told him, the guy said 'He's a faggot, anyways'. I got 'insulted' and I wasnt even there! I have never called anyone 'gay' or a 'faggot' in that context, because I do know some people that are gay, and they are actually great people, and I dont consider it a derogatory term.

Anyways, that teacher needs to look up the definition in the dictionary and then be slapped. Thats a crock of shit if you ask me. A 7 year old kid suspended simply because someone couldnt handle the fact that his mom is a lesbian? God people are uptight nowadays.

The TZA

12-02-2003, 12:21 PM

I have just been verbally attacked so this is my response. I would normally take this to private messaging, but when someone starts calling me a "racist" and a "bigot" for no reason on a public domain, I have no option but to defend myself on the same forum. If any admin's are getting pissed off with this stupid debate, then feel free to delete this message and the ones that have incited it. I am quite pissed off myself as I'm sure you can tell.

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
If it's not about what they believe in, then why single out anti-war protestors and then provide a list of reasons why it's anti-war protestors specifically that you hate? You say that "if people want to protest, that's fine" but clearly it isn't "fine" to you. You suggested running over them with your car (which I understand was figurative).

If you think people should only be allowed to protest on causes you think are okay, then just say so.

Because anti-war was an obvious example. I hate all protestors, I've made that clear. Can't you read? I AM and was anti-war, I made that clear, go back and check.

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
The fact is that study after study shows that the people who most support the war and the occupation know the least about it. Those who oppose the war and the occupation know the most about it. For example, those who supported the war and the occupation believed erroneously that some or all of the 9-11 terrorists were Iraqis and that proof linking Al Qaeda with Iraq was established before war started.

Gee, what an outrageously insightful fact(!) I think you're confusing me with an uneducated American whose motto is "Shoot first, then ask questions"; a typical American who thinks Iraq is in Europe, and that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. I'll stick with my Sky News and BBC24 for updates, not CNN. I didn't say for one moment that I agreed with this war.

Originally posted by phallusinchains
How could you possibly know this? have you met all of them?you shouldn`t judge everyone by other peoples actions ,dude your a bigot.

Yeah, and you're being an asshole. Have you met every person who lives in a trailer? No, so don't ever stereotype them as inbred, drunken morons again. I have no problem with people having an opinion on a political situation, I have a problem with pricks walking around with slogans on their shirts protesting redundantly, when they should be at work. My point was ..... if mine and your Governments decided "Ooh, some morons with flags know more about politics than us, let's retreat and leave Iraq", I'm afraid that would make our leaders the most weak we have ever known, and we would have even less confidence and respect for them than before.

Originally posted by phallusinchains

is thinking outside the box,repeating everything you saw on fox news this evening?

Again dude you`re just stereotyping a group of people who you are afraid of,whatever dude you could say you aren`t racist or prejudice,but that`s exactly what you are.

I will only start fearing protestors when they grow some brain cells. And how does my dislike of protestors make me a racist? By suggesting that I am one without reasoning, you are the one stereotyping; stop hurling unjustified insults at me. Also, learn how to spell and punctuate.

Originally posted by phallusinchains
it stems from his own insecurity and self hatred,he needs some group to hate to make him feel better about himself and morally superior , the protestors are the most socially acceptable group to hate right now,so there you go.

I have no self hatred our insecurity at all; I don't need to convince myself I'm better than protestors, I already know I am. See, I'm arrogant, not insecure.

There, all done. Hopefully this issue is done with now because it's pissing me off. If any other schmoes feel the need to insult me (breaking the rules by the way, but no doubt I'll be the one who gets blamed), do it via PM so I don't have to waste everybody elses time responding on a public forum. Thank you, goodbye, kiss kiss.

The TZA

12-02-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by jackson13
I could understand if it was used in a different context, like 'Dude, your Gay" or 'Your a fag'. That seems to be the 'cool' thing to do nowadays; insult someone by calling them gay. Hell the other day, a friend of mine was at Pizza Hut and he ran into an ex-friend of mine, who asked about me, and when my friend told him, the guy said 'He's a faggot, anyways'. I got 'insulted' and I wasnt even there! I have never called anyone 'gay' or a 'faggot' in that context, because I do know some people that are gay, and they are actually great people, and I dont consider it a derogatory term.

Anyways, that teacher needs to look up the definition in the dictionary and then be slapped. Thats a crock of shit if you ask me. A 7 year old kid suspended simply because someone couldnt handle the fact that his mom is a lesbian? God people are uptight nowadays.

That is a ridiculous story, but I'm getting desensitized to this sort of rubbish in the papers. You can't do or say anything these days without someone taking offence to it. But as for the "You're gay" thing, although it's not my insult of choice, I say "motherfucker" a lot, and I'm not actually implying that my arch nemesis has a fetish for people's mothers. I don't like how certain words/insults are deemed inappropriate, yet other stuff isn't; "fat" is a popular insult and is suggesting that being overweight is a bad thing, why is no one ever reprimanded for saying that? Or "ugly"?

phallusinchains

12-02-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by badberry
No....because its a school for gods sakes...the kid was writing about killing his peers. I'm sure many parents would be unnerved if they heard that a student in their child's class was doing that. You can rant about freedom of speech all you like, but there has to be rules in a structured environment like public school The kid can write his stories in his own time. It's unfortunate, but these days you can't be too careful about safety in schools, which is a sad indicator of the society we live in.

so kids in schools have no freedom of speech?i think many parents would be unnerved by that if they were close minded.so he can only write wholesome stories about killing muslims for example?would the parents be unerved then?

phallusinchains

12-02-2003, 01:14 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The TZA
[B]I have just been verbally attacked so this is my response. I would normally take this to private messaging, but when someone starts calling me a "racist" and a "bigot" for no reason on a public domain, I have no option but to defend myself on the same forum. If any admin's are getting pissed off with this stupid debate, then feel free to delete this message and the ones that have incited it. I am quite pissed off myself as I'm sure you can tell.

You say Off topic,it`s not off topic bigots and close minded people just like you are the reason these problems exist.if you don`t like being called a bigot or racist don`t come on a message board and talk about killing a group of people that are different than you.so quit whining.you`ve been "attacked" haha some people are so stupid they think anyone with a different idea than theirs is a personal attack on them.oops did i puncutate right? oh no?into the oven...

Yeah, and you're being an asshole. Have you met every person who lives in a trailer? No, so don't ever stereotype them as inbred, drunken morons again.

i didn`t,do you feel like i`m making fun of you or something?

I have no problem with people having an opinion on a political situation

as long as it doesn`t conflict with your opinions?if you don`t have a problem why are you whining about them?

I have a problem with pricks walking around with slogans on their shirts protesting redundantly,

because you can`t understand it??hah trick question

when they should be at work.

now you`re actually telling people what to do,so they can be more like you?how unbigoted.maybe you and dubbya can have your way start a concentration camp and really work them hippy asses off and i mean show those dirty hippies a thing or three,oh my i`ve disrespected fuhrer bush,hope i`m not branded a terrorist.

My point was ..... if mine and your Governments decided "Ooh, some morons with flags know more about politics than us, let's retreat and leave Iraq", I'm afraid that would make our leaders the most weak we have ever known, and we would have even less confidence and respect for them than before.

i thought your point was you`d like to mow down some protestors?

I will only start fearing protestors when they grow some brain cells.

they`re dumb because they don`t think and act the same as you?and you do fear them or else you wouldn`t stereotype,drones i.e. your people stereotype people and things they don`t understand and fear,it`s a crutch for your self hatred and if you didn`t you`d realize not everyone`s the same,but it takes a lot of that ther "thankin" stuff to overcome fear like that and everything about you says bigot dude,maybe you can show those irresponsible protestors a thing or two when you start the fourth reich

And how does my dislike of protestors make me a racist? By suggesting that I am one without reasoning, you are the one stereotyping; stop hurling unjustified insults at me. Also, learn how to spell and punctuate.

hating a group of people different soely for the fact they`re different than you makes you a bigot.How could i possibly be stereotyping you? i`m just going by what you said how you`d like to mow down some protestors,if anything i`m defining an ignorant way of thinking not a specific group of people,not everyone`s the same dude, and please quit with the victim routine,you started the running down protestors speech.you aren`t a victim.

I have no self hatred our insecurity at all; I don't need to convince myself I'm better than protestors, I already know I am. See, I'm arrogant, not insecure.

arrogance stems from insecurity,you`re arrogant because your insecure.