Parents Bringing Kids to Bad Santa

[moviemuffin]

Went to see a 9:40 showing of this movie on a SUNDAY (ie, school) night.

There were half a dozen kids under the age of 10 there with parents.

Fucking DYS should stand outside the goddamned theater. It almost ruined the joy of the film for me (not quite, it was too good). What kind of MORON takes a little kid to see this film? What kind of JERK has their kid out at that hour on Sunday night?

[jackson13]

Yeah but think of the positives. Now the little kids know how to say "Fuckstick" and phrases like "Fuck me Santa. Fuck me Santa. Fuck me Santa" and "When I get through with you you wont shit right for a week!"


So it all works out, see?

[Scarface98.9]

I can't help but wonder why parents would bring young kids to a movie that's so obviously not a kid's movie, despite the Santa moniker. It was bound to happen that ignorant parents walk into the wrong screen, expecting Cat in the Hat. What's just as puzzling to me is seeing Black Hawk Down nearly two years ago and parents bringing their hellspawns inside. Because as we all know, kids love violent war movies

[Carrieattheprom]

Man, some people should NOT have kids. :rolleyes:

[chinton]

So what happened at theater Carrie. I can imagine angry parents rioting to the management.

[The Postmaster General]

There's lots of dumb fucks around there. I had to listen to a 4 year old girl being mentally scarred during the anime portion of KILL BILL.

This whole allowing kids into the theater is seriously a problem, and that why you all hear me bitching about teens in theaters, so often.

But really, it's fucking ridiculous, no matter how I feel about it. :D

They will keep a group of high school kids out of AMERICAN PIE, but let a single parent bring a 4 year old into shit like KILL BILL.

It's all stupid. All of it.

I have no optimism today. Sorry.

[electriclite]

This is further proof that not only do people know how to be good parents, but that they also don't know how to read.

Now I can understand that the name "Santa" in a film would automatically have a person assume that said film would be something for kids.

But then we all know what happens when we "assume", right?

That's why you do a little research before watching a movie, so you don't have too many many unintended surprises, like the unintentional scarring of your KIDS!!


I also have to say that these have got to be the most selfish parents I have ever heard of. The only reason I can think of as to why an adult parent would bring a small child into a theatre is because they couldn't find a babysitter, but they were damned if they were gonna miss out on this movie.

Well..... TOUGH SHIT.

You wanted to breed, you take responsibility for your actions and make the sacrifices that come along with being a parent. Missing a movie in theatres is the least one you can make. I shudder to think of what other selfish acts are committed by these so-called "parents".

[BadCoverVersion]

Erm...if I'm not mistaken this movie is an R/18 certificate...right!?

So, I'm assuming parents can haul their kiddies into ANY movie in the US?

That's fucking absurd.

Seriously, that's SHOCKING.

12 year old kiddies have trouble getting into Pirates Of The friggin' Caribbean here.

Jesus!

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
There's lots of dumb fucks around there. I had to listen to a 4 year old girl being mentally scarred during the anime portion of KILL BILL.

Christ alight...you're pulling my leg Bubba!?

A 4 year old nipper?

[Raymond Babbit]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
So, I'm assuming parents can haul their kiddies into ANY movie in the US?

Just about. All R means is that if you're under 17, you have to see it with an adult. The only rating they don't let any kids into is NC-17 (no children under 17 allowed)

[Jon Lyrik]

The parents should read a review first before assuming a film about a foul-mouthed middle-aged criminal as a mall Santa is for little kids.

Unless they approve of their kids watching it while knowing what it's about, in which case I don't care.

[jackson13]

I saw it with my parents, but of course, im 19, so it doesnt matter. True fact; both of my parents, along with myself, loved it. But for a 4 year old, or anyone under 15 (imo) should stay away from this movie. Lots of cursing, bad tones, sex scenes, that stuffs just not for kids.

[moviemuffin]

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Parents (most, not all) are so goddamned clueless.

And you know the same freaking Yuppie Wonders who wander into this thing with Junior without EVER looking into the background are the Soccer Mom morons who think I'm evil because I let my kids have soda now and again and don't freak out if they giggle when they fart.

Yeah, but your kid is normal. Still burning the dog's tail with Daddy's lighter, is he?

[Carrieattheprom]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion


12 year old kiddies have trouble getting into Pirates Of The friggin' Caribbean here.




They do? Why?

[Lynn Minmei]

The fucking embarrasing thing is that all the newspaper and TV ads proclaim that Bad Santa is for ADULTS ONLY. So fuck yourself if you take a twipper into there.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Carrieattheprom
They do? Why?

Because the BBFC is far stricter. That's the British for ya. :p

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Carrieattheprom
They do? Why?

It's 12a Cert. (MUST be accompanied by an adult if you're under 12)...and UK cinema's are reasonably strict nowadays, most require some form of ID from the 'less mature' looking kiddies.

If a flick is certified anything upwards of 12a (e.g 15/R/18/)...like Bad Santa, Kill Bill and the like...then NO kids will be admitted, regardless of time of day/week, age, who accompanies them.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
Because the BBFC is far stricter. That's the British for ya. :p

Nah...the BBFC are actually FAR more leniant nowadays.

If a film is CLASSIFIED R or 18, then why let ANY children in the cinema!? Doesn't make much sense to me luv.

Hey, we see Ewan's COCK...so ner.

[Annie Hall]

The rating systems even out like such:

In America, you can theoretically see ANYTHING (except NC-17) with an adult. However, this means that the movies are far more likely to be cut down, since they are VERY reluctant to give NC-17s that basically bar the movies from any major cineplex.

In the UK...you can't get into anything unless you're of the proper age, which is a bitch for younguns...but they cut less and the UK: 18 ratings have far MORE in them (i.e. Ewan's cock)...due to the fact that NO one under 18 can see them in theaters.


PS. Parents are despicable, Bad Santa, Kill Bill, Black Hawk Down...just so unbearably idiotic they should be put down.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Annie Hall
18 ratings have far MORE in them (i.e. Ewan's cock)

Poor Ms. Hall...I feel your pain laydee...;)

I reckon the US system has got it part-way right...but surely SOME age restrictions wouldn't hurt?

Ya know, every parent has the right to police their own child's viewing habits...but allowing a toddler admittance to the likes of Kill Bill or Ichi The Killer, it just seems a tad ill-conceived at the end of the day.

[Tweek]

-mom takes her little girl to the movies-
MOM: Hmmm, Cat in the Hat or Bad Santa?
-to the clerk-
Two tickets for bad santa, please.

-Movie's over. Mom and girl leave.-

LITTLE GIRL: FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

MOM: Where'd you learn that word?

LITTLE GIRL: The movie!

MOM: They shouldn't be allowed to put those kind of words in a movie!

-Random person comes up and beats her-

[Freeway]

Experience after a young child sees Bad Santa:

Sitting on Santa's lap on Christmas Eve:
Santa: Hello. What do you want for Christmas this year?

Child: Fuck me Santa. Do you have a fuckstick?

It is really sad that parents would bring their kids to a movie obviously meant for adults. All it does is annoy everyone else in the theatre when the child starts crying.

[Briare Rabbit]

On the topic of underage children ina movie theatre. So your saying, that because you want to see some unattractive soon to be passe, not to mention untalented young twat's penis on screen? So we should bar anyone below the age of 18 from seeing any movie regardless? That's stupid...

Now if the kids and the parents are at Bad Santa, and their parents say it's ok. Fuck that. Why? Because remember people: it' the parent's choice. Not yours, and I don't think that any of you have the right to be commenting on someone else's parenting skills. Reading the boards, some users' parents let them watch Jason and Freddy flicks at age 5, saw Pulp Fiction at age 9. Well, I think it's being a little hypocritical to see those at such a young age and make no bones about it, but then turn around and criticize someone fr taking their kids to see a movie with some naughty language in it? From what I remember, some bad words aren't really going to fuck them up. But a demon from beyond slitting open a person's wrists, pulling out their veins and using them as a puppet before throwing them to their doom just might. Think about it...

[moviemuffin]

sorry double post-- lag

[moviemuffin]

Actually...

Here in Massachusetts last year there was a couple in my home town who DYS had been monitoring. The kids had been showing up to school dirty and ill behaved.

Well, guess what? The social worker monitoring the family took those kids out of that home, and one of the reasons she cited was that they were regularly exposed to inappropriate movies/television/video games and it was contributing to their behavioral problems.

I think, personally, R movies should be 15 and older ONLY and even then with parental supervision. And that's because parents don't always do their job. Which is why we have DYS, sad-assed and ineffective as it is.

Abuse takes a lot of forms. Letting a little kid see sex/violence/abuse on a screen (big or small) can fall into that category.

No matter how anyone feels about censorship, I can despise these morons for the lazy, ineffective, emotionally fucked up creeps that they are. People can disagree, but I'm allowed to rant about it in the RANT section.

Tell you something else... if one of my kids told me that they had a friend whose parent was doing this shit I'd speak up, and if I got attitude, I'd call DYS. I really mean it when I say DYS should intervene. Idiots who take infants to adult movies (or any movies, it's medically proven it damages their ears), idiots who take five year olds to Blackhawk Down-- that's abuse.

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by moviemuffin


I think, personally, R movies should be 15 and older ONLY and even then with parental supervision. And that's because parents don't always do their job. Which is why we have DYS, sad-assed and ineffective as it is.


Bullshit. I'm 14 years old, and I've seen plenty of R movies without adult supervision. It's all maturity my friend, not age.

For example.
Pulp Fiction
LA Confidential
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
Network
Casino
Goodfellas

[Annie Hall]

Here is my [oh-so-brilliant] ratings plan for the US which will undoubtedly never be carried out.

G, PG and PG-13 would remain the same. However, the 'R's would be split up into two groups:

A: No one under the age of 10 may enter. Those who are under 17 must have a guardian. Period. (this would include Almost Famous, Glengarry Glen Ross, Love Actually)

B: No one under the age of 13 may enter. Those who are under 17 must have a guardian. Period. (Kill Bill, Trainspotting, Don't Look Now).


This is simple enough...no toddlers in 'R' rated movies in the theater. You have to be 10 to enter an 'R' rated movie AT ALL. This combines the UK bannings from certain ages and under, and the US's guardian rules. That way people such as myself would be able to go to tougher flicks with the right parentage...and 6 year olds would not be going "BANG BANG" at the beginning of Kill Bill.

[moviemuffin]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
Bullshit. I'm 14 years old, and I've seen plenty of R movies without adult supervision. It's all maturity my friend, not age.


My daughter is a year older than you. If either of you were in a theater without adult supervision at an R feature you were breaking the law and should have been booted.

And it IS maturity, but most parents are STILL idiots and not a judge of their kids' level, or they wouldn't have had little kids at Bad Santa.

MY kid can see almost anything if I'm with her. She's mature and I'm not a total moron. I'd let her see Bad Santa.

I WOULD NOT let the little ones see it. But then, not all parents have a damned clue or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I don't expect a 14 year old kid to be enthusiastic about the idea that they may not get to see what they want. You're 14. It's your job to be pissed off about any restrictions the world wants to place upon you. Rock on, my young friend, I was exactly the same at 14.

Smart 14 year olds aren't the problem, but then the smart 14 year olds of the world are ALWAYS putting up with crap because of their peers. How often have you been totally ripped off at school (or anywhere else for that matter) because of a bunch of jerks your own age "ruining it for everybody?"

I mean, it spills over everywhere. JoBlo has had to stop nice kids from joining this very forum because not ALL of them are mature enough to handle the responsibility.

Not all parents are good parents, either. Fewer and fewer these days.

[JCR]

What is DYS?

[moviemuffin]

Department of Youth Services

[Carrieattheprom]

Look, I'm not advocating censorship here. I'm just saying that children of a certain age should not watch Bad Santa. Especially when EVERYONE says it's not meant for kids. 4 me Bad Santa shouldn't be seen by anyone younger than 13. Little kids are smarter than we think. I live near an elementry school and it's like an episode of South Park.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
So your saying, that because you want to see some unattractive soon to be passe, not to mention untalented young twat's penis on screen?

I do hope you're not referring to Ewan.

Unattractive? Untalented? Passé? Errrrr...I think not.

Why allow ANY age-group admittance to a movie that is classified as 'unsuitable'?

Why rate the fucking thing in the first place?

Like Ms. Hall stated...very few flicks actually wind up with the NC-17 rating...seems crystal to me that they cut these flicks to buggery for ONE simple reason.

So as to ensure that Ma 'n' Pa needn't haul in a babysitter.

Some parent's are fucking wankers...simple as.

Why risk it?

[Annie Hall]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
So your saying, that because you want to see some unattractive soon to be passe, not to mention untalented young twat's penis on screen? So we should bar anyone below the age of 18 from seeing any movie regardless? That's stupid...

:eek:
:eek:

Surely you don't mean McGregor? As you'll se above, I'm on your side (I'm a young-one as well). Even if I am barred from seeing Young Adam, for example, in theaters due to the shot NOT being cut, at least I'd be able to see it in its fucking entirety :rolleyes:

Parents just need to practice a bit of JUDGEMENT and the ratings systems just need a small tweaking of reform.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
Bullshit. I'm 14 years old, and I've seen plenty of R movies without adult supervision. It's all maturity my friend, not age.




Sure, sex was alright for Shakespeare's 14 year old "Juliet"

But surely you do not think that what is okay and safe for mature, intellegent people, is okay and safe for everyone else?

http://perlmeister.com/rundbrief.archiv/20001204/images/springer_s.jpg

[JCR]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
Some parent's are fucking wankers...simple as.

Yeah, that kinda reminds me of my childhood. When silence of the lambs came out I was about 11, and my mother heard it was the most frightening film ever, it was really scary etc, and she said there was no way I was watching it. Well my mother and father were going through a rather bitter divorce at the time, and when dear old dad heard about my mother's view of the film, he took the most sensible course of action. He went straight round the video shop and hired it for me to watch- true story. Ha ha. Ah those happy childhood memories.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by moviemuffin
Actually...

Here in Massachusetts last year there was a couple in my home town who DYS had been monitoring. The kids had been showing up to school dirty and ill behaved.

Well, guess what? The social worker monitoring the family took those kids out of that home, and one of the reasons she cited was that they were regularly exposed to inappropriate movies/television/video games and it was contributing to their behavioral problems.

I think, personally, R movies should be 15 and older ONLY and even then with parental supervision. And that's because parents don't always do their job. Which is why we have DYS, sad-assed and ineffective as it is.

Abuse takes a lot of forms. Letting a little kid see sex/violence/abuse on a screen (big or small) can fall into that category.

No matter how anyone feels about censorship, I can despise these morons for the lazy, ineffective, emotionally fucked up creeps that they are. People can disagree, but I'm allowed to rant about it in the RANT section.

Tell you something else... if one of my kids told me that they had a friend whose parent was doing this shit I'd speak up, and if I got attitude, I'd call DYS. I really mean it when I say DYS should intervene. Idiots who take infants to adult movies (or any movies, it's medically proven it damages their ears), idiots who take five year olds to Blackhawk Down-- that's abuse.

Bullshit!

I first saw Pulp Fiction when I was 9 (I'm 15 now). Yes, 9. And I was not a non-stop swearer after that, nor was I going to my peers " I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and FURIOUS ANGER!" and pull a gun on them.

Other films I saw when I was quite young:

A Clockwork Orange (11)
Evil Dead (10)
Dawn of the Dead (10)
Apocalypse Now (6)

Of course, my parents were really responsible people, so maybe I was different and could tell right from wrong better than my peers.

I agree on one thing though, little kids 5 or younger shouldn't watch super-loud films in theaters, it's bad for them. I saw a two-year-old next to me when I saw The Two Towers. What the fuck was wrong with the parent? That could easily ruin her little lobes.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by JCR
Yeah, that kinda reminds me of my childhood. When silence of the lambs came out I was about 11, and my mother heard it was the most frightening film ever, it was really scary etc, and she said there was no way I was watching it. Well my mother and father were going through a rather bitter divorce at the time, and when dear old dad heard about my mother's view of the film, he took the most sensible course of action. He went straight round the video shop and hired it for me to watch- true story. Ha ha. Ah those happy childhood memories.

That's actually incredibly amusing.

:D

Hey, my young nieces and nephews (6, 9, 10, 11+) have seen their fair share of gory flicks.

Opera, Suspiria, Ring, Dog Soldiers and 28 Days Later being but a few...not to mention the fact that my 10yr old nephew's favourite flick is Life Of Brian...;)

BUT, the cold hard truth is...SOME parents neglect to educate their kiddiewinkster's when it comes to right/wrong, fact/fiction...and as for Kill Bill (a film teeming with sexual/physical violence, excessive profanity, and general ADULT themes)...I don't believe ANY parent should be hauling their rugrat to see it. Simple as.

[Lynn Minmei]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
On the topic of underage children in a movie theatre. So you're saying, that because you want to see some unattractive soon to be passe, not to mention untalented young twat's penis on screen?


I never said anything about Haley Joel Osment!

Because you can't be talking about Ewan...No, you can't be. Ewan's talented.

[JCR]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
That's actually incredibly amusing.

:D

Yeah it is. Althought he's pretty under the thumb now- I got into trouble for showing my 4 year old half brother the LOTR films, on the grounds they're scary. But more frightening for me is the fact- and again I'm telling the truth here- that my stepmother does look quite a bit like Julia, the stepmother from Hellraiser 1 and 2. I keep thinking I'm gonna be sucked into hell when ever I see her. :eek: ;)

[Avid_Fan]

How stupid can people get, I mean come on. . .what morons

[Tom Samborski]

That is proof of bad parenting. Some parents are so lazy, they won't even bother hire a babysitter or other family member nearby to take care of their kids. They instead take them to see an R-rated movie featuring a foul-mouthed Santa taking about STD's. I'm loathe the MPAA with a passion, but 4-year olds seeing a movie like this? I don't think so.

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
I never said anything about Haley Joel Osment!

Because you can't be talking about Ewan...No, you can't be. Ewan's talented.

Ok... well I was a little mad. That was Ewan in Trainspotting though? Because he was good in that...

[SkyNet]

i dont think it is the parents not knowing what the flcik was about.. i just think it was the parents REALLY WANTING to see this flick!

And you said it was on a Sunday night... and it was a late showing... so it was pry hard as shit to find a babysitter. Granted im NOT saying it was right to bring these kids to this flick, unless they wanted their kids when they got home to say "Make Me Some Fucking Sandwiches"!

I hate kids in the theaters... i remember back in the day i saw it was some very R rated movie.. maybe Face/Off or somehting.. and there was a parent with his little baby boy in there.. and everytime someone was killed or explosions happened the baby would start gigling and get all happy (like if it was playing with a tickle me elmo or some shit) and i remember thinking that baby was going to grow up and become a serial killer!

[HannibalGuy]

I've seen Bad Santa 3 times. It's THAT funny to me. All 3 times, there were young kids in the audience. Will the film relly hunt kids that bad? Hell, I'll probally use that "You wont shit right for a week" line the next time I fuck my girlfriend up the ass! :)

[jackson13]

Originally posted by HannibalGuy
Hell, I'll probally use that "You wont shit right for a week" line the next time I fuck my girlfriend up the ass! :)


This is the line of Info ------------------


This is the line of to much Info -----------


You just crossed the latter.






Ah what am I saying, I'll use the line when im fuckin your g/f up the ass too!


BURN!


( :D just joking Hannibal guy, but im sure that line will come in handy during some point of my life.)

[SkyNet]

Originally posted by jackson13


( :D just joking Hannibal guy, but im sure that line will come in handy during some point of my life.)

After your next proctology exam, maybe?

[ParileseMonster]

I understand this rant. My viewpoint is that times and people have changed. I was a different kid. My mother started taking me to horror movies when I was four. I knew what I was watching and I wanted to watch what I was watching and I did not squirm and I did not talk or make a fuss all I ever needed was a booster seat and some milk duds. It did not scar me or anything and I can not recall anyone objecting to my being there and I never pissed anyone else off. Those things just do not happen much now. Kids are too young, too over active and if you think about it movies have become much more violent with more colorful language today than they were when I was little. I say if the child is behaving themselves then it is fine other than that they should stay at home. Not to be mean but I feel my parents had better judgement than most of the parents I see today.

[HeavyK]

I haven't seen the movie yet but it's only been given a 14A rating here in Ontario meaning anyone 14 and older can get in all by themselves and those younger then 14 have to have a parent come in with them. This movie can't be that bad.
Anyways bringing a 4 year old kid into a film like this is pretty bad and stupid on the parents part but i think teens 13 and up can handle most U.S R and even some Unrated movies. The MPAA harsh judgement on language and sexual content in films is seriously outdated and way too strict. 3 "Fucks" and it gets an R, God that's stupid.

[movieguy1021]

I saw Bad Santa (I'm 14) with my friend and his dad...I think my friend and I were the youngest people in the theater, and it was like a 12:25 showing on Friday (Thanksgiving break). While I think it's ok for teenagers, not only is much of the material not appropriate for young kids, but if they're idyllic (as I was) and believe in Santa, then everything will be ruined for them.

But seriously, if you can't find a fucking sitter, stay home! The movie'll be out on DVD soon enough, or if you're too fucking lazy, you can get it on OnDemand for 24 hours so u can actually rewind it! Wow.

[m ali]

I dont give a shit whow bring who to what movie.

[studlyhorrorbuf]

Originally posted by moviemuffin
Actually...

Here in Massachusetts last year there was a couple in my home town who DYS had been monitoring. The kids had been showing up to school dirty and ill behaved.

Well, guess what? The social worker monitoring the family took those kids out of that home, and one of the reasons she cited was that they were regularly exposed to inappropriate movies/television/video games and it was contributing to their behavioral problems.

I think, personally, R movies should be 15 and older ONLY and even then with parental supervision. And that's because parents don't always do their job. Which is why we have DYS, sad-assed and ineffective as it is.

Abuse takes a lot of forms. Letting a little kid see sex/violence/abuse on a screen (big or small) can fall into that category.

No matter how anyone feels about censorship, I can despise these morons for the lazy, ineffective, emotionally fucked up creeps that they are. People can disagree, but I'm allowed to rant about it in the RANT section.

Tell you something else... if one of my kids told me that they had a friend whose parent was doing this shit I'd speak up, and if I got attitude, I'd call DYS. I really mean it when I say DYS should intervene. Idiots who take infants to adult movies (or any movies, it's medically proven it damages their ears), idiots who take five year olds to Blackhawk Down-- that's abuse.

While you are allowed to have your opinion I strongly disagree with it. I have read posts from people seeing R-rated films as early as five and they seemed to turn out o.k.

Don't you think the kids were being neglected by their parents was contributing to their behavior and dirty look? Shouldn't the parent's also be to blame? If you got this off the tv news of course they are going to use the tv/movie/video game scape goat for ratings and not show the whole story. If you got this from the news, I hope you know better than to accept everything they say as the word of God.

Anyways, I started watching many R-rated horror films when I was seven. My first movie was John Carpenter's "The Thing." Fortunately I had a very lax and loving parent. He let me pretty much watch whatever horror film float my boat. You see, I had no friends in second and third grade, so horror films were my friends. It gave me something to look forward to on weekends. I even saw a couple of unrated horror films to at the young age of eight. I even saw "Night of the Zombies" which had cannabalism in it. I saw the very gory "Return of the Alien's Deadly Spawn." As much as it grossed me out, I did not shut it off and learned to enjoy the film.

As for my maturity level, I had a severe learnig disability (call me retarded if you like, I don't care, it's the truth) I never violently killed anyone and I only kicked two people in a fight, but that was it. I did not get into any regular fights and was a well-adjusted boy for the most part. I did think once as a child of putting a hanger through a zombie's eye if one was to attack me when I was imagining things. Make believe if you want to call it that. The only adverse thing about seeing horror films at such a young age was that I would talk about them too much to my family.

I chose my parents well. My mom bitched to my dad about seeing horror films at such a young age. But my dad was no pussy. He didn't give in to her. They say you choose your parents before you are born, and I am glad I chose mine. One of my happiest memories iin a not so happy childhood was seeing "Aliens" on the big screen with my dad. Though seeing Bishop cut in half was kind of gross, but it didn't bother me too much. So, Moviemuffin, I don't consider this abuse at all. I consider watching R-rated films at such a young age a great privilage.

think the R- rating is fine. If you got the right parents your child will be fine and not adversely affected by the material. If you can have minors or even child actors in unrated horror films then I can't understand why the minors or underage children can't see R or unrated films. After all if it was totally unsuitable for children, then it would be NC-17. Studly Horror Buf out.