The BCS: What do you think?

[Dark_One79]

Well, by now most of you have heard about the latest controversy surrounding the BCS and the national championsip game.

Here are a few links to check out (if not already informed about this mess... yeah right).

"Trojans marching on" - from ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=1680859)

Final BCS Rankins (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSRankings)

Bowl Schedule (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1673130)

So, the consensus #1 isn't playing in the championship game. Is this a complete joke? Justifiable? What do you think?

[ToRontoRon]

It sounds like BS to me. This is a prime example of why I just don't care about college football.

[Dark_One79]

"Coaches have always said football is a game of inches," said Paul Hoolahan, the Sugar Bowl executive director. "Unfortunately with the BCS, it has become a game of fractions."

[Beeblebrox]

I remember when it was just the polls and everyone bitched about needing a new system. That was the BCS. And now everyone bitches about that. Basically, there is no system that will make everyone happy.

I think the solution is a 2 tiered playoff between the top 4 teams.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I think the solution is a 2 tiered playoff between the top 4 teams.

The ONLY solution.

Fuck the BCS.

[jackson13]

I think USC got screwed. Plain and simple. But I also feel that the BCS, and all Bowl games in general, are a crock of shit. Notre Dame finished with a record of 3-7 this year (I think) and for quite awhile, talk in my area (I live 30 miles from the campus) was that they were still going to get a bowl bid, simply because of who they were. Once people woke up and realized they suck (finally), bowl talk disapated and the dreaded 'next year' talk began. Then they lost to Syracuse this weekend and ended the season with a terrible record, and no one talked about them at all, except for how bad of a season they had.

There should be one game, just like the superbowl, where the 2 best teams play each other for the national championship. None of this Fedex, Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Tostita, Tampon Maxi Pad with Wings bowls. All those bowls are designed to do is continue the season of the popular schools just so they can bring in more money.

The national championship this year should be LSU vs. USC, and even though thats what all of the people wanted to see, the fact that OSU, being #1 pretty much all year and being more 'popular' got the bid instead. Its a flat out case of 'who you are gets you places others cant'.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by jackson13
The national championship this year should be LSU vs. USC, and even though thats what all of the people wanted to see, the fact that OSU, being #1 pretty much all year and being more 'popular' got the bid instead. Its a flat out case of 'who you are gets you places others cant'. [/B]

Actually, that's not why OU got in. It came down to strength of schedule and was decided by the computers, not humans.

The only upside to the BCS is that it does pit the #1 and #2 teams against each other (at least in theory).

People forget this, but before the BCS, the top two teams would play in different bowls altogether and the humans would be forced to sort out who was the best based on how they did in those final games.

The current problem with the BCS comes in deciding who the top two teams are. I think it was a solution to a problem that has no solution. Someone is always going to be unhappy in a bowl system.

The real solution is a playoff and there's a small chance that might happen. But I do NOT think it should be the 16 team playoff that some propose. I think, if it happens, it'll be the top four teams in a two part playoff.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by jackson13
There should be one game, just like the superbowl, where the 2 best teams play each other for the national championship. None of this Fedex, Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Tostita, Tampon Maxi Pad with Wings bowls. All those bowls are designed to do is continue the season of the popular schools just so they can bring in more money.


The Bowl Series is something I disagree with, but it does make the entire season more exciting. The bowls and rankings aren't there to prolong the season. Having Bowl Championships makes every single regular season game the College Teams play matter. One loss and your dreams of a championship are usually gone. It makes things exciting.

Originally posted by jackson13
The national championship this year should be LSU vs. USC, and even though thats what all of the people wanted to see, the fact that OSU, being #1 pretty much all year and being more 'popular' got the bid instead. Its a flat out case of 'who you are gets you places others cant'.

As Beeble pointed out, OU's popularity isn't what got them a ticket to the Sugar Bowl. It was the strength of schedule. OU is in the Big Twelve, a tough conference. USC, on the other hand, didn't make it because the their conference (Pac-10) is pretty much pathetic. And the "strength of schedule" (which is determined by computers) is what kept them out. (I'm not picking on you jackson, I've just talked about this a lot lately, and had to get it off my chest here) ;)

Though I agree this is chaos, and perhaps OU shouldn't be in because they lost their conference championship, I honestly think they're a far superior team to USC. USC, in my opinion, is not as good as everyone thinks. They're complaining that if they win the Rose Bowl, they'll consider themselves National Champs. But I think Michigan is going to tear them apart and expose what a weak team they are.



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The reason we don't have a playoff system ALREADY is because the NCAA wants College Football to resemble the NFL as little as possible. And by their reasoning, having a playoff system is too much like the NFL. :rolleyes:. And yeah, a 16 team playoff would be ludicrous. A 4 team playoff is the way to go.

[AnnoyingQuestionAsker]

Outside of OU, Mizzou, Texas Tech, Texas (who is very beatable), and K St (who lost to Marshall), the Big 12 played more like the little 12. Typical powers A&M and Colorado could not even become bowl eligible. The Pac 10 was not that weak, just very balanced where any one team could beat any other team. We will see how overrated the Big 12 is when the bowls arrive. The polls & the BCS are simply self-fulfilling prophecies wherein the strong are deemed strong solely b/c people say so and they beat teams that those same people say are strong.

Non-conference
OU beat North Texas, a weak Alabama, Fresno St & UCLA.
Texas beat NM St, Rice, Tulane and lost to Arkansas.
K St beat McNeese St, Cal, Troy St, UMass, and lost to Marshall.
Mizzou beat a bad Illinois, Ball St, Eastern Illinois & Mid Tenn St.
Nebraska beat Utah St, Penn St, Southern Miss and Troy St.
OK St. beat Wyoming, SMS, SMU, & Louisiana Lafayette
TT beat SMU, New Mexico, Ole Miss, and lost to NC State
A&M beat Arkansas State, Utah (by 2) and lost to Va Tech & Pitt
Kansas beat UNLV, Wyoming, Jacksonville St and lost to Northwestern
Colorado beat Colorado State, UCLA and lost to Wazzu & FSU
Baylor beat SMU, Sam Houston St and lost big to North Texas and UAB.
Iowa St beat Northern Iowa, Ohio and lost to Iowa and No. Illinois

Big 12 my fucking ass.

[Benny]

Let's just put it this way.

If you were valedictorian of your senior class, and they gave the award to the person with the second-highest grades, and then salutatorian to the person with the third-highest grades, just because you lived on a different side of town, wouldn't you be upset? This is how I interpret this situation...

Yeah, In reality I'd love a 16-team playoff, but the best solution would be to have a 4-team playoff. The Rose and Sugar Bowls right now would be te Final Four, while the championship game would be played a week later between the two winning teams.

I've never liked the BCS since its inception. Sure it created possibly the best national championship game ever last year, but the other years have been inconsistant at best, and produced lopsided national championship matchups.

[SubMethod]

How could anybody honestly say that OU isn't one of the best teams, and doesn't deserve to be in the championship game? If you look at their entire season you will see that they were the best team throughout. Every good team has it's bad days. Just because OU's was the last game of their regular season doesn't mean that they aren't the best. USC and LSU are also both great teams, but the Sugar Bowl is for the two best teams, and OU is obviously one of those two, and it just happened that USC wasn't. They all three deserve a chance, but there are only two slots. That's just the way it goes.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
And yeah, a 16 team playoff would be ludicrous.

May I ask why you think that? A 16 team playoff system is really the only way to get the smaller conference teams involved. If we'd leave them out of the mix, it wouldn't be much more fair, in my opinion.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
May I ask why you think that? A 16 team playoff system is really the only way to get the smaller conference temas involved.

The smaller conference teams simply wouldn't belong there. College football is not the NFL. It's not an "any given sunday" scenario in which any team could conceivably beat any other team. In college, there's a much greater disparity between a top ranked team and a non-ranked team.

Even among the top 16, you could bet even money virtually every time that the end-of-season top 4 ranked teams would end up playing at the end of the playoffs, so the other games would pretty much be moot.

I think 4 teams, two playoff weekends, is the way to go.

[Moviefan1234]

I just think you'd need to keep the smaller conference teams in it. Look at the Redhawks this year. Right now they are playing great football and could probably give some of the top ten teams a run for their money. Keeping itself unlike the NFL is what hurts college football, in my opinion. In order to be fair all conferences should be involved. If they lose most of the time, fine, but what about those rare occurances?

[The Delfonics]

16 team playoff

The winners of each conference get a spot.

The rest of the teams are filled in by a selection committee (ala NCAA Bball)

Would take a month to complete which is very reasonable.

[TheDeadWalk]

I wouldn't mind a small round-robin tournament. Maybe the top four teams... No Overtimes, if you tie, you tie.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I wouldn't mind a small round-robin tournament. Maybe the top four teams... No Overtimes, if you tie, you tie.

That would leave out the smaller conference teams, which I believe is unfair. They should have just as much of a chance as the big boys.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Just have damn playoffs! Who's the best should be decided on the field, not on a computer.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Jerk Shapiro
Just have damn playoffs! Who's the best should be decided on the field, not on a computer.

I don't know jack about college football but I've got to agree with Shapiro's post all the way.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Jerk Shapiro
Just have damn playoffs! Who's the best should be decided on the field, not on a computer.

I don't know much about College football except I see Florida at the top almost every year. I say yeah have playoffs I'm surprised CBS, and ABC or what other stations that broadcast the games jump at this it would bring more revenue for all the stations and bring in more money for all the Colleges.

[Ripper1888]

Originally posted by SubMethod
How could anybody honestly say that OU isn't one of the best teams, and doesn't deserve to be in the championship game? If you look at their entire season you will see that they were the best team throughout. Every good team has it's bad days. Just because OU's was the last game of their regular season doesn't mean that they aren't the best. USC and LSU are also both great teams, but the Sugar Bowl is for the two best teams, and OU is obviously one of those two, and it just happened that USC wasn't. They all three deserve a chance, but there are only two slots. That's just the way it goes.

I agree OU had a great year there is no denying that but do they deserve to play for the national championship NO! they diden't even win their conferance so they don't deserve a shot at the title.

The BCS is a joke,though it is an imrovement over the old poll format,but still it sucks a playoff is a must.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I don't know much about College football except I see Florida at the top almost every year.


Sorry, I must correct this. The University of Florida hasn't finished in the top 15 for three years. Sorry to nitpick, but I just hate the Gators so much. :D

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
but I just hate the Gators so much. :D

Even more than Miami? ;)