The Road to the SUPERBOWL...2004 Edition

[Indiana Sev]

This is the place to discuss everything and anything related to the sure-to-be exciting NFL playoffs just a mere 6 days away...

[FeverDog420]

I don't follow football, but aren't the Iggles still in it? Good for them. This is Philly's year, I'm tellin' ya; I smell a pennant for Bowa & Company.

Never mind that now. Back to the gridiron.

[Indiana Sev]

WEEK 1 MATCHUPS

DALLAS COWBOYS @ CAROLINA PANTHERS

http://cbs.sportsline.com/images/football/nfl/kids/teams/logos/cowboys1.gif AT http://cbs.sportsline.com/images/football/nfl/kids/teams/logos/panthers1.gif

TENNESSEE TITANS @ BALTIMORE RAVENS

http://www.musiccitytickets.com/2001/thumbnails/titans-logo.jpg AT http://www.commuterpage.com/venues/graphics/ravens.gif

DENVER BRONCOS @ INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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SEATTLE SEAHAWKS @ GREEN BAY PACKERS

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Kansas City, Philadelphia, St. Louis and New England get a first week bye.

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My winning picks:

Panthers
Titans
Colts
Packers :cool:

[blankpage]

What's in the bag?! The 'Packers' winning ths SuperBowl!


:cool:


Being a KC man, I think that this is their year. I predict that they'll go all the way. Ok, picks for the first week...


Cowboys 35 V.S Panthers 15

Titans 30 V.S. Ravens 28

Broncos 7 V.S. Colts 40

Seahawks 20 V.S. Packers 33

[TheLoveBelow]

http://titansonline.com/slideshow/images/6.jpg
YEAH! EDDIE GEORGE!!!!!!!

GO TITANS!!

[jeo4]

I think that week one will go like this...

Colts over Broncos
Indianapolis has to beat Denver in order to make a trip to KC. I think that Denver's regular season win against the Colts was just one good day out of hundreds of bad ones. Manning is still on fire and the Colts want revenge.


Panthers over Cowboys
Dallas and Carolina are a pick 'em. I give homefield advantage to the Panthers.


Titans over Ravens
I have to hand it to Steve McNair. He's a hell of a quarterback. I see him at the helm and I see a Tennessee victory en route to misery in New England. Hell...either one of these teams has the Pats to deal with when it's all said and done. I take pity.

Packers over Seahawks
Brett Farve has a reason to be in the big dance. Seattle falters to teams under the most unusual circumstances. If they can't hold the line against Farve's offense, they lose big.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
This is Philly's year, I'm tellin' ya; I smell a pennant for Bowa & Company.


Don't count on it. I don't see them making it to the Super Bowl until they can get their hands on a playmaking WR. If I were them, I'd go after Owens in FA.

[Grebdron]

Won't be arsed picking the entire first week since it will inevitably come down to a New England/Philly Super Bowl.

[RicochetShaw]

Dallas
Baltimore (I know the Titans were my SuperBowl pick, but I just think Balitmore is stronger all around)
Indy
and Green Bay

[ToRontoRon]

My picks:

Dallas over Carolina
Baltimore over Tennessee
Denver over Indianapolis
Green Bay over Seattle

Then, for what it's worth, if my picks are all right, here are my round 2 picks:

Philadelphia over Dallas
St. Louis over Green Bay :(
Denver over New England
Kansas City over Baltimore

Then:

Philadelphia over St. Louis
Denver over New England

Super Bowl:

Denver over Philadelphia

[horrorfreak13]

Here's what I think about this week's playoff games.

Tennessee 28 Baltimore 21 - Even with Baltimore haviing homefield they have an inexpierienced QB

Carolina 24 Dallas 17 - This will be a close game but Dallas didn't look good against a New Orleans team that has been up and down all season. Plus mark my words Dallas will not make the Superbowl and if they do I'll have a Dallas avatar for a month.

Green Bay 35 Seattle 24 - Seattle is very bad on the road and Green Bay is very good at home hmm......

Indianapolis 42 Denver 38 - This is probably the best game of the week and more than likely the highest scoring game of the week as well. Peyton Manning better perform well or else they will face the same questions they did at the end of last year.

Right now I'll take New England vs Phily in the superbowl New England looks unbeatable and the Rams losing home field will play a big factor if they have to go through Phily in the NFC Championship if it happens

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Carolina 24 Dallas 17 - This will be a close game but Dallas didn't look good against a New Orleans team that has been up and down all season. Plus mark my words Dallas will not make the Superbowl and if they do I'll have a Dallas avatar for a month.



Really?


Well then, GO COWBOYS! :D

[SenorSpielbergo]

My Round 1 picks...

Cowboys
Titans
Colts
Seahawks

[Strider]

Carolina Panthers
Green Bay Packers
Tennessee Titans
Indianapolis Colts

Those are my winning picks for round one. The playoff game of the week will definitely Colts-Broncos. That's gonna be a close game, but I think the Colts will win, and get their revenge on the Broncos for the Week 16 beating.

[Strider]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Won't be arsed picking the entire first week since it will inevitably come down to a New England/Philly Super Bowl.

That could very well be SuperBowl XXXVIII right there. But my bets are still on a Colts/Eagles SuperBowl....

[Rated R]

Hey! Dave Wannstedt keeps his job as Coach in Miami only he loses his GM privileges. I think this will help...or rather can help. Wanny is a good coach, and Miami is a good team, they just need to find the right rhythm and they will go far. Plus, they need to make less predictible plays.

As far as this year goes...Inidianapolis vs. Philadelphia

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Strider
That could very well be SuperBowl XXXVIII right there. But my bets are still on a Colts/Eagles SuperBowl....

I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. Oh well...maybe the Chiefs can still be in it if Vermeil changes the defensive strategy in the coming two weeks.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Rated R
Hey! Dave Wannstedt keeps his job as Coach in Miami only he loses his GM privileges. I think this will help...or rather can help. Wanny is a good coach, and Miami is a good team, they just need to find the right rhythm and they will go far. Plus, they need to make less predictible plays.


Finding a consistant QB wouldn't hurt either.

[Boba Joe]

Wild Card Picks:

Indianapolis over Denver
Tennessee over Baltimore (hope I'm wrong)
Green Bay over Seattle
Carolina over Dallas

If the Chiefs don't make it to the big dance...I'm hoping for the Colts or Green Bay.

[MarkItZero]

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So check it out. Its fun and its free!

[sharkstank]

alrready got it on the pool, but here is ALL!:D

wild card-----------------
packers over seahawks
cowboys over panthers
colts over broncos
titans over ravens

divisional---------------
titans over patriots
colts over chiefs
eagles over cowboys
rams over packers

championships----------------
titans over colts
rams over eagles

super bowl---------------
titans over rams

btw, as a raider fan, good riddance to callahan.
and it soundas like the draft will bear eli manning or ben roethlisberger. either way im happy

WWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Michael Corleone]

Philly is predicted for SB glory every year, and every year they choke. 2003 won't be any different, I suspect.

KC! STL!

[Haddonfield]

ahhhh, I tell ya, it feels nice having a week off...oh yeah, The Pats are your 2004 Super Bowl winners. Come on and try and beat us, I dare you...:)

[meccajay]

AP names Manning, McNair co-MVPs

NFL.com wire reports

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6972886


Nice way to sew up the MVP QB debate. Couldn't of happened to 2 nicer, more deserving guys. Props to them both. And there both featured this weekend...In The Playoffs!!!

[tbone]

Ok for wild card weekend

Titans to beat the Ravens (I think the Ravens have the weakest team of anyone, yet are also the team most capable of keeping it close because of two players named Lewis)

Broncos to beat the Colts- It may seem as if the Colts will get revenge, but Portis is going to run all over them.

Packers beat Seattle- In a closer than expected game

Cowboys beat Panthers- Will be the most exciting game of the weekend, Dallas wins based on their number one defense.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by tbone
Cowboys beat Panthers- Dallas wins based on their number one defense.

umm... Name 1 big offensive threat the Cowboys faced this year. I can't name one.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
umm... Name 1 big offensive threat the Cowboys faced this year. I can't name one.


Philadelphia Eagles.


And they held the Patriots to 12 points in Gillette stadium, I'd say that's pretty impressive. They also only let the Bills get 6 points. Say what you will about the Bills, but they have an offensive juggernaut and put up some big numbers this season. Dallas is a very good defensive team.

[Strider]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Dallas is a very good defensive team.

That's true. But they need to establish a stronger offense. As far as I'm concerned, their offense is weak. They can not rely on just the defense to get them through the playoffs.

[Benny]

Wild Card predictions:

Packers 31, Seahawks 17 (The Pack are just too tough in the winter at the frozen tundra, even though Seahawks coach Holmgren knows the place well. This one's for Favre's dad.)

Panthers 21, Cowboys 16 (Both teams started out the year strong and had mediocre endings, yet still managed to make the playoffs. Carolina wins off three Stephen Davis TDs.)

Colts 40, Broncos 31 (Manning outguns Jake the Snake in this high-scoring matchup, setting up a great second-round match with Kansas City.)

Ravens 19, Titans 18 (As much as i hate Billick and Co., I'm going to puick them to win here, because of their past successes against the Titans, and because of the way Jamal Lewis has been playing recently.)

Eagles got home field! WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!

[TheDeadWalk]

The Eagles are one team I'm hoping gets destroyed in the playoffs. I've never really gave a shit for them, or their stereotypical rude and crude fans.

[Strider]

Hell yeah! The Titans finally defeated the Ravens! I'm pleased that the Titans beat them tonight, I really am. It's not that I have anything against the Ravens, but I hate that damn bastard Billick.....

[Strider]

Holy shit! The Panthers are beating the living hell out of the Cowboys! The Cowboys' defense is great, but their offense really sucks right now. Unless they do something with the offense during these last quarters, the Cowboys can forget about winning this game and wait for the 2004 NFL Season.....

[Strider]

Well, the game is over. And the Cowboys had their ass handed to them by the Panthers. I'm going to be the first to say it, the Cowboys' performance tonight was absolutely pathetic. While their defense was solid, their offense was dreadful. The only way the Cowboys were going to win this game was if they establish a stronger offense, and obviously, they didn't do that. Yet again, this was a pathetic performance by the Cowboys. Nevertheless, a huge congrats to Bill Parcells for getting the team this far.

Also, another congrats is due to Steve Fox and the Panthers for their performance during this entire season and for tonight's victory. They really should be proud of themselves. However, I don't see them defeating the St. Louis Rams next week. Should be a great game though.....

Strider

[Moviefan1234]

Despite the Raven loss, Ray Lewis is a machine! 17 tackles! It's a complete honor watching him play. In my opinion, he is one of the best to ever play at his position. As for the Panther win, they looked good. Dallas didn't seem that prepared offensively which surprised me with Parcells. He has to know he needs some changes in the offense for next season, especially at RB.

[Benny]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
The Eagles are one team I'm hoping gets destroyed in the playoffs. I've never really gave a shit for them, or their stereotypical rude and crude fans.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

We never cared for you either. :p

[horrorfreak13]

Dallas lost all I have to say is YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Proving that when they play a good team they choke.

Glad to see the Titans win and should be some good football next weekend.

[Boba Joe]

Did anyone catch this morning's ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown?!
Reporter Kenny Mayne interviewed former Detroit runningback (And future Hall of Famer) Barry Sanders about why he suddenly left the sport in 1999. He got a call from his head coach (I believe Bobby Ross) and asked him how he was doing. Sanders replied "I'm tired." The "poor phone service" made the coach think he said "I'm retired." Sanders was too proud to say there was a mistake and just went with it but stood before the state court requesting phone companies have better service. I am not making this up. It was totally unbelievable. One of the greatest backs of all time...leaves the game on poor phone service.
:eek:

[TheLoveBelow]

OH YEAH!!

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/gallery/2003/1228/photo/nfl07.jpg

THEY WON

http://panthers.com/images/cheerleaders/header.jpg


THEY"RE TEAM WON

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Dallas lost all I have to say is YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! Proving that when they play a good team they choke.


Yeah, too bad they're not a quality team like the Redskins :( , Who just lost their 4th head coach in 4 years...

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Yeah, too bad they're not a quality team like the Redskins :( , Who just lost their 4th head coach in 4 years...

Oh yeah to that I've got umm........ nothing

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
Did anyone catch this morning's ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown?!
Reporter Kenny Mayne interviewed former Detroit runningback (And future Hall of Famer) Barry Sanders about why he suddenly left the sport in 1999. He got a call from his head coach (I believe Bobby Ross) and asked him how he was doing. Sanders replied "I'm tired." The "poor phone service" made the coach think he said "I'm retired." Sanders was too proud to say there was a mistake and just went with it but stood before the state court requesting phone companies have better service. I am not making this up. It was totally unbelievable. One of the greatest backs of all time...leaves the game on poor phone service.
:eek:

BA-HAHAHAHA

Yeah I saw that too. I like the "Mayne Event", they do a lot of funny skits/gags on there.

Last year's skit about Favre's backup Doug Pederson was one of the best I'd ever seen. They had Ahman Green saying that Brett was too rugged on the handoffs, and that Doug knows how to put it in the pocket "nice and snug". They virtually had the entire team doing interviews saying how Brett was too selfish by all of his consecutive starts. :D

[chilli pepper]

Oh hell, this game has been fucking insane! just to let ya know the seahawks and the packers just went in to overtime tied at twenty seven. GO SEAHAWKS

[chilli pepper]

DAMMIT, packers win....

[Strider]

Fuckin' A! That Packers-Seahawks was incredible! What a great game! Both teams did great though. I'm glad the Packers won the game though. But now, the Packers are headed towards Philly next week to face the Eagles. I think that's gonna be a great game, no matter what the outcome is.

Strider

[Strider]

Right now, the Colts are destroying the Broncos. It looks like the Colts may just get their revenge after all. The Broncos are gonna have to work fast if they intend to catch up....

[horrorfreak13]

Awesome Packers-Seahawks game. Colts are killing the Broncos guess all those experts that praised the Broncos all season are wrong too.

[Morgana]

I'm really proud of the way my Seahawks played. I thought they'd just be destroyed because it was a road game, but they played well, and they gave Green Bay a good run for their money. I hope next year Seattle will have more confidence on the road in the regular season, and they'll be an even better team because of it.

Green Bay played awesome too...this game was just an immense pleasure to watch. I'm actually rooting for Green Bay now, now that they have eliminated my Seahawks, they might as well go all the way to the SuperBowl. I don't think they'll be able to beat someone like the Pats, but the Packers might as well make it to the big game. :cool:

[Strider]

Damn! Did Peyton Manning and the Colts look awesome today, or what? They really gave the Broncos hell, eh?

Wow, what a performance....

[Strider]

Originally posted by Morgana
I'm actually rooting for Green Bay now, now that they have eliminated my Seahawks, they might as well go all the way to the SuperBowl. I don't think they'll be able to beat someone like the Pats, but the Packers might as well make it to the big game. :cool:

Well, I'm rooting for the Packers all the way, too. I would love to see them get to SuperBowl as well. But they have to get through the Eagles first. And win or lose, I think the Packers will give them hell.

GO PACKERS!!! :D

[Rated R]

Now, I thought I was hoping for the Colts initially and when they were up big it dawned on me. WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T YOU HAVE DONE THIS TWO WEEKS AGO?!?!?!

I mean if they had dug their heads out of their asses, the fish would have received this spanking instead! At least they would have been in the playoffs! Ahhhh!

Well, I am now hoping the Packers go all the way, or at least someone other than the Pats or Rams.

[Strider]

Well, I don't see the Titans beating the Pats next week. Therefore, I really hope the Colts manage to eliminate the Chiefs next week. Because they are the only team I can see beating the Pats.... the only one!

[TheLoveBelow]

some nice games 2day...

Colts won...

http://nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl4e7_lower.jpg


..and so did the...

PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl4e0_lower.jpg

http://nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl4e2_lower.jpg

[Boba Joe]

Originally posted by Bobajoe

Indianapolis over Denver
Tennessee over Baltimore (hope I'm wrong)
Green Bay over Seattle
Carolina over Dallas


The 7th sign of the apocalypse. You know the world's gettin' screwy when I bat .1000 on football games. Granted, they were fairly easy, but you just never know in this crazy little game.

St. Louis over Carolina
New England over Tennessee
Kansas City over Indianapolis
Green Bay over Philadelphia

Go Chiefs! Go Packers! SUPERBOWL I rematch, baby!!
Yeah...it's possible.

[Strider]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
Go Chiefs! Go Packers! SUPERBOWL I rematch, baby!!
Yeah...it's possible.

It's the NFL Playoffs, anything's possible right now.....

GO PACKERS!!!! :D

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
The 7th sign of the apocalypse. You know the world's gettin' screwy when I bat .1000 on football games.

You and me both, Bobajoe.

This week's pick:

St. Louis over Carolina - The Rams are on fire.

Tennesee over New England - If there is one upset for me to pick this weekend, this would be it. If any team can upend the Patriots, the Titans can.

Philadelphia over Green Bay (barely) - I get this weird feeling that the Packers are going to put up a huge fight. It all depends on who has ball control. I think the Eagles will grab hold and just manage to ward off Farve's offense.

Kansas City over Indianapolis - This game will be very ugly. Both Peyton Manning and Trent Green have scored a perfect QB rating in 2003. Manning has an incredible offensive line and so does Green. Multiple weapons make the offensive game all but impossible to predict.

Defense is another story. The Chiefs have been missing three key players, including middle linebacker Mike Maslowski. All are returning this weekend. Their defense is ranked 28th in the NFL. Not a good sign against Indy's spectacular offense. The Colts defense, while much better, will have their hands full with the Chiefs being top scoring offense in the NFL. Priest Holmes will be an issue, as usual. Like the Colts, the Chiefs have a wide arsenal of receivers to choose from.

Homefield also plays a key factor for Kansas City. Kansas City has won thirteen straight at home. Call it psychology, call it the fans, it's just very difficult to beat the Chiefs at home.

Can Indianapolis pull off an upset? Definitely. The questions remains how. If Greg Robinson has made any dramatic changes in defensive strategy, then the Colts won't have any way to make adjustments. If Robinson continues down his path of mediocre zone plays, this game is Indy's.

[Strider]

Divisional Predictions:

Carolina Panthers @ St. Louis Rams - The Rams should be fully rested, prepared, and fired up for this match-up, and I think they will defeat the Panthers on their home turf.

Winner: St. Louis Rams

Tennessee Titans @ New England Patriots - Granted, the Titans are a very good football team, and they are being led by co-MVP Steve McNair. However, I just don't see them defeating Tom Brady and the unstoppable Patriots, especially not at the Pats' incredibly tough home.

Winner: New England Patriots

Green Bay Packers @ Philadelphia Eagles - After last week's amazing victory over the Seattle Seahawks, Brett Favre and the Packers are more fired up than ever right now. And I think they will give the Eagles total and complete hell. However, I'm going to have to give the Eagles the slight edge, simply because they're playing at home.

Winner: Philadelphia Eagles

Indianapolis Colts @ Kansas City Chiefs - This game is pretty much going to be a shoot-out between the two QB's, Trent Green and co-MVP Peyton Manning. The biggest problem for the Colts is that the Chiefs have homefield advantage. And the biggest problem for the Chiefs is their weak defense. In the long run, I believe the Chiefs' problem will defeat themselves. I think Manning will be able to work through the Chiefs' defense, and the Colts will pull off the upset victory.

Winner: Indianapolis Colts

[horrorfreak13]

Well it look like the Redskins are going back to the past by naming Joe Gibbs as head coach of the team click here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1702079) I like this move. This team isn't going to underachieve next year with Joe Gibbs.

Anyway now this week's predictions

St.Louis 31 Carolina 14 - This isn't going to be close and St.Louis is juat too good at home

Philadelphia 24 Green Bay 21 - Intresting game but Phily has the home field.

Indianapolis 42 Kansas City 35 - best game of the week I'll take the team with the better defense since both offenses can run up the score

New England 31 Tennessee 28 - another close one but I think New England is taking this one they are too good defensivley and McNair and George are banged up and may not be 100%

[Haddonfield]

Green Bay/Philly - Tough call on this one. Im interested to see how Philly plays after a very good turn around during the season. But the Pack are looking mighty invincible. WIll there emotion run out or whill there magic of late continue? My upset of the week, Green Bay wins 31 - 21

St. Louis/Carolina - Everything about this games screams Rams. The only question is how will there QB do in the playoffs. Judging by the season he just had this game could be over before the half. Rams win 27 - 14

Indy/KC - this is an interesting game. I dont thing KC is as good as there record is and I dont think Indy is as good as that explosion they just had last game. Its natural to think this will be a high scoring game and I have to lean that way. KC wins 34 - 30

Tenn/New England - Game of the week right here. This is the one team that Pats would like to have seen lose last week. That said, they already beat them once to start there ridiculos winning streak. No snow in Foxboro but it will be C-O-L-D, in fact im going to be freezing just watching it on TV! I have learned not to doubt this coaching staff so why start now? A perfect game plan, some "luck" and the Pats win 21 -17

[PapaJupe2k]

Whoa, everyone on this board seems to think St. Louis just bombs Carolina easily this weekend. To quote Lee Corso: "NOT SO FAST MY FRIENDS!":) Carolina just isn't going to roll over and play dead you know. You gotta remember when it comes playoff time a good defense will defeat a good offense most of the time. The Rams have just been way to inconsistant over the course of the year for me dismiss Carolina that easily. I think Carolina runs the ball with Stephen Davis and stiffles Bulger and the Rams offense and wins by a field goal on the road. Mark it down.:D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Whoa, everyone on this board seems to think St. Louis just bombs Carolina easily this weekend. To quote Lee Corso: "NOT SO FAST MY FRIENDS!":) Carolina just isn't going to roll over and play dead you know. You gotta remember when it comes playoff time a good defense will defeat a good offense most of the time. The Rams have just been way to inconsistant over the course of the year for me dismiss Carolina that easily. I think Carolina runs the ball with Stephen Davis and stiffles Bulger and the Rams offense and wins by a field goal on the road. Mark it down.:D

That's true to an extent but the Rams have a good defense as well and they have only been inconsistent on the road where they went 4-4 on they were 8-0 at home.

After this week it's pretty much the end for the Rams unless Green Bay beats Phily because I can't see the Rams winning a playoff game on the road.

[Boba Joe]

I know some of you out there know about "The Game Before The Game". For the last 7 or 8 years, 989 Studios showcases their franchise video game, "NFL Gameday" during the SuperBowl's pre-game festivities. One football player from each team representing the SuperBowl plays each other in a video game. Amazingly, for the last 7 or 8 years, the team that wins in the video game goes on and wins the SuperBowl. I decided to have a little fun with this weekend's Divisional Playoffs. I used Madden NFL Football with 4 quarters at 5:00 each set on the hardest difficulty "All Madden" with computer vs. computer.
For shits and grins...the results:

Carolina 0 St. Louis 20

Tennessee 10 New England 13

Indianapolis 6 Kansas City 16

Green Bay 20 Philadelphia 17

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
I know some of you out there know about "The Game Before The Game". For the last 7 or 8 years, 989 Studios showcases their franchise video game, "NFL Gameday" during the SuperBowl's pre-game festivities. One football player from each team representing the SuperBowl plays each other in a video game. Amazingly, for the last 7 or 8 years, the team that wins in the video game goes on and wins the SuperBowl. I decided to have a little fun with this weekend's Divisional Playoffs. I used Madden NFL Football with 4 quarters at 5:00 each set on the hardest difficulty "All Madden" with computer vs. computer.
For shits and grins...the results:

Carolina 0 St. Louis 20

Tennessee 10 New England 13

Indianapolis 6 Kansas City 16

Green Bay 20 Philadelphia 17

Alright and if this actually happens I'm going to stuff myself inside a locker and lock the door. :D

[Benny]

Prediction Time!

St. Louis 30, Carolina 17- I think PapaJupe is right, this game will be close-- in the first quarter! The Rams are 8-0 at home, and I just don't see Carolina beating them there on Saturday.

New England 18, Tennessee 12- Not used to frigid New England Saturday night conditions, the Titans will lose thanks to Adam Vinatieri's 6 field goals, even though Gary Anderson kicks 4 himself.

Indianapolis 35, Kansas City 23- The Colts are on a roll right now, and I don't see their roll stopping against K.C. this weekend.

Philadelphia 21, Green Bay 10- The Eagles play their heart out and put an end to the Packers' 5-game winning streak. The Packers looked vulnerable last week, and even without Brian Westbrook, I think my Eagles can pull off the victory. After the game, Rush Limbaugh will blame the Eagles' victory on Bill Clinton. :p

[Benny]

Yesterday, Joe Gibbs was hired to return to head coach the Reskins next year, after 11 years of being away from the field (and winning 2 Winston Cup Championships as a team owner). This, along with the Giants hiring Tom Coughlin, makes the NFC East very powerful next year. The Eagles will have their work cut out for them next fall...

[Rated R]

Hard to win when you have a team full of overpaid, overrated, old, players that just don't play to their potential half the time. Maybe Joe Gibbs can stir something in the Redskins, but just because he signed a deal doesn't make the Skins an automatic playoff team. Same goes for the Giants and Coughlin.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Rated R
Hard to win when you have a team full of overpaid, overrated, old, players that just don't play to their potential half the time. Maybe Joe Gibbs can stir something in the Redskins, but just because he signed a deal doesn't make the Skins an automatic playoff team. Same goes for the Giants and Coughlin.

It probably dosen't make the Redskins an automatic playoff team but they will be more disiplined by not taking such stupid penalties and protecting the QB which is something Joe Gibbs doesn't tolerate. I was 7 when the Redskins beat the Bills in 92.

As for the Giants hiring Coughlin all they need is a QB that throws the ball to his own team and not the opposition and a RB that doesn't fumble the ball when they hit the opponents 25 yard line.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Benny
Yesterday, Joe Gibbs was hired to return to head coach the Reskins next year, after 11 years of being away from the field (and winning 2 Winston Cup Championships as a team owner). This, along with the Giants hiring Tom Coughlin, makes the NFC East very powerful next year. The Eagles will have their work cut out for them next fall... This Joe Gibbs hiring was surprising to me to say the least. Vermeil was able to come back and be sucessful because he adjusted to the times. If Gibbs is able to do this he could be sucessful I guess, but the NFL is a completely different place now than it was back when he last coached. This is a 180 degree turnaround from Spurrier though, he'll take them in a completely different direction.

How about Denny Green taking the Arizona job? He must need the money, that is about the only reason anyone would take that job.:D I don't see him turning that team around, but who knows?

Oh yeah, there are some games this weekend too. I'll be interested to see how the week off is going to effect the teams that had buys. I think it may be an advantage for teams that played last week. The games last week all went pretty much according to script, I look for a couple upsets this week.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
How about Denny Green taking the Arizona job? He must need the money, that is about the only reason anyone would take that job.:D I don't see him turning that team around, but who knows?

Marvin Lewis turned around a horrible Bengals franchise to a team that almost made the playoffs so anything is possible. I still believe it was a big mistake for Minnesota to let him go.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Marvin Lewis turned around a horrible Bengals franchise to a team that almost made the playoffs so anything is possible. I still believe it was a big mistake for Minnesota to let him go.

You are correct. Minnesota was foolish to get rid of him.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Benny
Prediction Time!

St. Louis 30, Carolina 17- I think PapaJupe is right, this game will be close-- in the first quarter! The Rams are 8-0 at home, and I just don't see Carolina beating them there on Saturday.

New England 18, Tennessee 12- Not used to frigid New England Saturday night conditions, the Titans will lose thanks to Adam Vinatieri's 6 field goals, even though Gary Anderson kicks 4 himself.

Indianapolis 35, Kansas City 23- The Colts are on a roll right now, and I don't see their roll stopping against K.C. this weekend.

Philadelphia 21, Green Bay 10- The Eagles play their heart out and put an end to the Packers' 5-game winning streak. The Packers looked vulnerable last week, and even without Brian Westbrook, I think my Eagles can pull off the victory. After the game, Rush Limbaugh will blame the Eagles' victory on Bill Clinton. :p

No argument about St. Louis, but...

Kansas City has won 13 consecutive home games. The Chiefs are quite capable of winning this game, especially at Arrowhead. Also, Indy plays in a dome. How will they compensate for the bad weather? I really believe the Chiefs can win this game.

If Steve McNair is as capable of playing under pressure and fighting injuries as he has been in the past, New England won't get a free game out of this. It seems that the Pats are being made out to be this juggernaut that can't be defeated. The fact is they can be beaten. If any team can beat them, I believe the Titans can. I don't hate them so much as I'm tired of seeing them getting the royal treatment from media and experts alike.

Philadelphia will probably beat Green Bay, although I hope the Pack gets to the SuperBowl, myself.

I was hoping for the Chiefs against the Rams or the Packers. If the Chiefs can't make it, then I'm pulling for the Colts.

[DRGONZO32]

I'd love to see Colts vs. Packers. Two of the best quarterbacks in the game today against each other, and what a story it would be for Favre to lead his team to the Super Bowl after the death of his father.

[Strider]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
How about Denny Green taking the Arizona job? He must need the money, that is about the only reason anyone would take that job.:D I don't see him turning that team around, but who knows?

Yeah, you never know......

2005 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS = Arizona Cardinals







Wait, that's going a little too far...... :D

[horrorfreak13]

Well Jim Mora JR. is the new Falcons head coach and former Raiders coach Bill Callahan has accepted a coaching job at Nebraska. I don't know how good Nebraska usually is because I don't follow College Football, but you figure now he won't be calling his team dumb and stupid anymore. I think

EDIT: I thought I should add this from ESPN iit's quite funny I never thought it was really this cold in New England (It was -34C this morning when I left my house) As for what it is in Farenhieght I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040109_quickie.jpg

[Strider]

LOL! So that's how the fans get ready for a Pats game, eh? :D

And good riddance to Callahan! I hope he stays in the College Football enviroment, and never ever returns to the NFL. He isn't worthy, as far as I'm concerned......

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Strider
And good riddance to Callahan! I hope he stays in the College Football enviroment, and never ever returns to the NFL. He isn't worthy, as far as I'm concerned...... Oooh boy, that Nebraska job is a can of worms that you don't want to open, believe me! Anyone know what Callahan background is, I don't know that much about the man. Does he have any connection to the university, is he an alum? Frank Solich went 9-3 and got axe, Callahan is set up for failure here. What the Nebraska administration doesn't understand is that this job isn't as big a deal as it was say 10-20 years ago. Many coaches turned it down before they hired Callahan, Kirk Ferentz laughed at the idea that he would take the job. Good luck Bill, you'll need it.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Anyone know what Callahan background is

He's screwed. I believe he'd never been a head coach AT ANY LEVEL before Davis hired him. Actually, Davis promoted him. He was on Gruden's staff.

He's screwed.;)

[Benny]

Horrorfreak- I live in New England, north of Massachussetts though, near Dartmouth College. Anyway, it didn't get above zero here all day today, so yes, it does get very cold here! The temperature should be about 5 degrees tomorrow night in Foxboro, wind chill of -15! And that's why the Titans will be unable to defeat the Patriots.

Callahan hired by Nebraska? To paraphrase his own quote, they've got to be the "dumbest front office in America!"

I'm excited for Jim Mora Jr. to coach the Flacons though, especially if he goes off on any rants like his father would at press conferences (PLAYOFFS! We aren't even thinking about playoffs!)

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Benny
Callahan hired by Nebraska? To paraphrase his own quote, they've got to be the "dumbest front office in America!" Yeah, no doubt. They fucked themselves when they had no one in mind and fired Solich.:rolleyes: They thought they could just pick and choose from any top level coach they wanted and he would just drop everything and run to Cornhusker country... uh no. Look how hard they went after Arkansas coach Houston Nutt, and he didn't even want it! I mean he is a good coach, but he's not exactly mentioned in the same breath with Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden! Solich was fired after a nine win season, I don't know if Nutt has ever even had a nine win season, anywhere.

Nebraska just got desperate and ended up taking the first person that said yes. Nebraska isn't the big deal they were years ago and no one in power realizes it or wants to admit it.

I've read several articles on the hiring and I still don't know much about this guy. Supposedly he is a great recruiter, but that was Nebraska grad Trev Alberts that said that, so take it with a grain of salt. I guess he was an assistant coach in the Big Ten in the mid eighties.

[Indiana Sev]

GO PATS!!!

http://www.stankotzen.com/patriots.jpg

[Haddonfield]

3 hours till kickoff. Who's got the brew?

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Benny
Horrorfreak- I live in New England, north of Massachussetts though, near Dartmouth College. Anyway, it didn't get above zero here all day today, so yes, it does get very cold here! The temperature should be about 5 degrees tomorrow night in Foxboro, wind chill of -15! And that's why the Titans will be unable to defeat the Patriots.


If you think -15 is pretty cold you should try -34 like it was here yesterday got that was freezing.

Right now it's Carolina winning 23-20 with 2:00 to go in the 4th QTR. Should be interesting.

[Strider]

Holy shit! That was a fuckin' ballsy decision by Mike Martz to run out just enough time for a field goal. Obviously, it worked. But I'm not sure I would have done that. I probably would have spiked the ball instead, and stop the clock.

[Strider]

Overtime!!!

Panthers are getting the ball......

[TheDeadWalk]

At this moment St. Louis is charging back down the field again with 2 minutes left, and it doesn't look like a second tie, BUT...

What if they do tie? Do they keep doing more OT's ? They obviously can't just leave it at that, can they?

*And just as I finish the post, Bulger gets intercepted. Cock suckers.

[Strider]

HOLY LIVING SHIT!!!! THE PANTHERS ARE IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!

[horrorfreak13]

Panthers beat the Rams in St.Louis umm......... WHAT????

[Strider]

What a game!!! The game went to 2 OT's!!! The Panthers had so many damn chances. The Rams had so many damn chances. I can not believe the outcome of this game!!! The Panthers are actually going to the NFC Championship!!! Holy living shit!!!

A HUGE congrats to John Fox and the Carolina Panthers, extremely well done.... what a victory!

[horrorfreak13]

Well off to New England and Tennesee it's 7-0 New England.

[Strider]

GO TITANS!!!!

I still think those damned Patriots are going to win this game. But if Steve McNair, Eddie George, and the Tennessee Titans were to defeat and eliminate the invincible Patriots tonight..... I would be extremely happy.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
If you think -15 is pretty cold you should try -34 like it was here yesterday got that was freezing.

We've been in the -40's here the last few days - it's brutal! :eek:

I just want to send out a big Fuck you to the Rams! I hate them and I'm glad they fell on their face today! :D

They also helped me pick up 15 points in the confidence pool with their incompetence.

[Strider]

You know, I'm not really disappointed about the Rams' elimination today. I do like the Rams, but I'm not upset to see them gone. I'm still kind of excited about Panthers winning the game. I can't believe it, I really can't.....

[Haddonfield]

Im sorry but, Brady is the man. Its nice to know u are going to win before the first half is over. :) its 7-7 right now but not for long. Our D is to good. Enjoy the flick.

[SenorSpielbergo]

PANTHERS VS PACKERS IN THE NFC CHAMIONSHIP

anyone else agree???

[RicochetShaw]

I like Jake Delhomme from the Panthers, but that's about it. I live in Dallas, and after the Panthers beat the Cowboys last week, some guy orchestrated a few thousand Panthers fans in Charlotte, North Carolina to gather and yell in unison "Hey Dallas, you're losers!" It was filmed and shown on the local news.


Classy fans. :rolleyes:

[Strider]

Damn! The Patriots won the game, as I predicted they would. The Titans put up a valiant effort, but they just came up a little short. Well, if the Pats end up meeting the Colts next week in the AFC Championship, they won't have it very easy at all.

Strider

[Boba Joe]

Whoever picked Carolina to win...(raises wine glass)..."Here's to you."

So New England squeaked out another one, huh?
The winner of the Colts-Chiefs game gets my vote in the AFC Championship game.

[Haddonfield]

Keep thinking that the Pats are lucky.

15 in a row!!!!!!!!!


When will the NFL ever learn? :)

[Haddonfield]

and to add...The Pats arent flashy, they arent sportscenter material, they just win. a dynasty is building, get used to it.

[Strider]

The Patriots may be a good team, and they may be the best team in the AFC. But I still think they're lucky. In the regular season, there were quite a few games where they barely squeezed out a victory. Such as their OT games, for example. And as far as this Divisional Playoff game is concerned, the Patriots would not have won if Bennett had caught that throw from McNair. The Patriots would have lost and eliminated.

[Strider]

As I've said before, the Colts are the only team that I believe can finally defeat the Patriots. So I hope the Colts win tomorrow's match-up against the Chiefs. But if the Chiefs win.... well, I think the Patriots will get to the SuperBowl once again.

[Benny]

St. Louis 30, Carolina 17- I think PapaJupe is right, this game will be close-- in the first quarter! The Rams are 8-0 at home, and I just don't see Carolina beating them there on Saturday.


I AM STUPID

Both games were excellent tonight, but the Panthers-Rams is an instant classic. Now the Panthers can come to the Linc next weekend and get destroyed! Yay!

[Haddonfield]

Blah Blah Blah, sorry the Pats dont win 45-7 everytime :)

Am I the only one who sees what they are building? They have the real MVP in Brady, the laugues best D line and secondary, an O line that is top notch, just wait till we get a running back this offseason, that of course is after we win our 2nd bowl in 3 years....get used to hearing this name ....PATS!

did I mention 15 in a row?

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Strider
The Patriots may be a good team, and they may be the best team in the AFC. But I still think they're lucky. In the regular season, there were quite a few games where they barely squeezed out a victory. Such as their OT games, for example. And as far as this Divisional Playoff game is concerned, the Patriots would not have won if Bennett had caught that throw from McNair. The Patriots would have lost and eliminated.


didnt happen. cant change the facts, Dont call it luck, call it the best team in the game.

[Boba Joe]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Blah Blah Blah

Agreed. A lot of that is going around.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
Agreed. A lot of that is going around.


Nice avatar, Green-Guy huh?

[Strider]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
didnt happen. cant change the facts, Dont call it luck, call it the best team in the game.

I've already said they are a good team, but they've still been very lucky on a number of occasions. And I hope it runs out soon..... ;)

[Boba Joe]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Nice avatar, Green-Guy huh?

Yeah, I was going to change it. But since you like it so much, I think I'll keep the little guy around.

:D

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Keep thinking that the Pats are lucky.

15 in a row!!!!!!!!!


When will the NFL ever learn? :)

Actually history is against NE. I heard yesterday that only a few teams with the NFL's best record have gone on to win the Super Bowl. It happens occasionally, but it seems they normally lose in the playoffs or Super Bowl.

Those damn Panthers pissed me off. I knew it was going to end that way too. I knew one of the offenses were going to make a big play and the defenses would've been too tired to respond. If you noticed two Ram players had the angle on Smith, but they wer just too tired. And when you're in overtime and in FG range does Bulger ever think that maybe throwing the ball away would be a better idea than trying to squeeze it in?

Thank God the Titans lost. I hate that team even more than I hate the Fish. Great job by Vinatieri to come through once again. Glad to see the Titans go home. HA!

As for today, Go Pack! Go Colts!

[horrorfreak13]

Great Pats-Titans game last night. The Pats find ways to win. Am I still the only one amazed my Redskins were the last team to beat them.

Anyway the Colts-Cheifs game is looking pretty good. Not 1 punt yet.

Green Bay-Phily should be a classic.

[horrorfreak13]

Indy wins 38-31

Payton Manning 22-30 304 yards 3 TDs you think he silenced his critics.

[Moviefan1234]

Pregame prediction:

Packers 21
Eagles 20

[Strider]

What a great performance from Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts. They just keep the hits on coming. As I said earlier, the Chiefs' weak defense would end up being the key factor in the game, and it was. Not once could the Chiefs stop Manning or the running game.

Well, the Colts in the AFC Championship, and they certainly deserve to be there. Their going to have a much harder time against the Patriots, but I hope they can pull out the victory. I'll be giving the Colts the slight edge in this Championship game.

Strider

[Strider]

GO PACKERS!!!!!

[Haddonfield]

Expect a slow start by Philly. but the Pak is going to take this one in a very close game.

[horrorfreak13]

I'm still going to say Phily will find a way to win this game despite I hate them.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Indy wins 38-31

Payton Manning 22-30 304 yards 3 TDs you think he silenced his critics.


Very impressive so far. That onsides kick seems like a good idea now huh?

while I want no part of Indy right now in Foxboro, I still know that the best coach in the game with spin his magic. The Pats do just enough to win. if its a shootout or a defensive stuggle, either way, they win. the Colts right now scare the hell out of me....but not Coach Bill, and thats all that matters I guess.

[Strider]

This game will be a close one, indeed. It's definitely going to come down to the wire, but I think the Eagles will pull out the victory. But I really would like to see the Packers win instead.

[ToRontoRon]

Well, that was pathetic. Green Bay handed this game on a silver platter to the Eagles. Philly couldn't stop the run all day, and on 3rd and 3's and 3rd and 2's, they tried throwing the ball. On the 3rd and 3, they were at like the 37 yard line anyways, so if you run it, even if you don't get it you're in a position to gamble anyways. Green Bay also had the ball at the 1, 2nd and goal and waste back to back plays with generic running calls in which they didn't use Amman Green, who has been great all year in short yardage situations. I think that last week was the first time Green Bay was stopped on 3rd and 1 all year in fact.

Then Sherman moronically chooses first of all not to challenge the spot, then kick it away on 4th and inches. Then on 4th and 26 Green Bay drops back into basically a prevent defence and allows Philly an easy first down, then they again don't challenge the spot on a spot that was literally at least two yards off. Then Favre just throws the ball into the Philly secondary without even looking. Then on the game winning kick, they didn't even try to block it since they didn't know the rules and were trying to call a 2nd timeout on the same play.

I'm a Packer fan, but the decision making in this game, from the coach, to the offensive coordinator, to the QB, was nothing short of putrid.

:mad:

[Morgana]

NOOOOOOOOO...Favre did the Hasselbeck!! :eek:

Two weeks in a row I have to watch a QB I like make a stupid mistake. In all fairness, Green Bay made a series of mistakes at the end that cost them the game...can't pin it all on Favre.

I'd like to have seen Green Bay go on, but, it just didn't turn out that way. It was a great nailbiter of a finish though. Whether the Eagles can beat Carolina next week, however...can't even begin to guess on that one right now.

[Strider]

As a Packers fan, I'm not upset about the end result of the game, but I sure am disappointed. Defensively, the Eagles did not play a good game. And this is what helped the Packers. The Packers pretty much had this game in the bag, if it wasn't for that fucking call by Mike Sherman. Why didn't Sherman have the guts to go for 1st down? They would have made it, I know they would! If they would have gone for it, there's no doubt in my mind that the Packers would win the game. Anyway, in overtime, the Packers had another big chance. But why did Favre throw that misguided pass? That was a devastating pass, it really was. The Packers would have won this game, and would be on their way to the NFC Championship, if it wasn't for two bad decisions by the coach and the QB.

Oh well, I hold no grudges against the Eagles. I'll go ahead and congratulate them on their victory tonight, and for getting to their 3rd straight NFC Championship. I'll be rooting for the Eagles in that game, no doubt.....

But make no mistake, Brett Favre will return! The man will never retire, not until he wins another SuperBowl! And even then, his retirement is questionable. Favre is still the best......

[Morgana]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon


I'm a Packer fan, but the decision making in this game, from the coach, to the offensive coordinator, to the QB, was nothing short of putrid.

:mad:

I was still typing my message while yours came up...have to agree. The Packers just gave it away. Fucking ridiculous. Punting on 4th and inches I think was the beginning of the end. Up until then I thought the Packers still had a chance.

[Strider]

Well, I'm still sticking with my original SuperBowl prediction.....

SUPERBOWL XXXVIII:

Indianapolis Colts vs. Philadelphia Eagles

[Benny]

For an Eagles fan like me, this has to be the crowning achievement of the team so far this year. What an incredible game this was; the 3rd Overtime game in 2 weeks, and the 4th great game in 2 days!

At the end of the first quarter, I was distraught. Things looked awful, the Packers looked energized and great, while the Eagles blew their only chance. I was a little more optimistic at the end of the second, when the score was only14-7, and we had stopped the Pack at the 1 yardline on 4th down. Still, the Packers looked better, and I was already thinking about how the Eagles could imporve for next year.

As the second half wore on though, things got better and better. After we scored the second touchdown, I went crazy. Then the Packers came right back and scored a field goal, McNabb got sacked up the ass, and time was running out. After the 4th and 26 completion though, I knew we were golden. And then, Favre handed us the victory on a magic plate, and Andy Reid just couldn't wait to eat it! YEAHHHHHH MUTHAFUCKAS, BRING ON THE PANTHERS!

[Morgana]

Originally posted by Strider
The Packers pretty much had this game in the bag, if it wasn't for that fucking call by Mike Sherman. Why didn't Sherman have the guts to go for 1st down? They would have made it, I know they would! If they would have gone for it, there's no doubt in my mind that the Packers would win the game.

My posts are horribly mis-timed today, but I think the same. Cripez, the Eagles had the balls to go on 4th and 26, why couldn't the Packers go on 4th and inches? Devastating! Fuck, these are the playoffs, just GO for it.

The Packers aren't even my very favorite team, but I have to go for a run and shake this game off. I take these losses a little too hard. :( ;)

As for my SuperBowl prediction right now:

Carolina vs. New England (This could change as the week goes on though.)

[PapaJupe2k]

Yeah, the Packers could have went for it fourth and 1, but I think it was the right call to punt looking back. The punt was poor if they could have pinned them inside the 10 it may have been a different game. That is the theme of the weekend, conservative coaching calls (cough: Mike Martz). Great weekend of football though. I can't wait for next week.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Strider
Well, I'm still sticking with my original SuperBowl prediction.....

SUPERBOWL XXXVIII:

Indianapolis Colts vs. Philadelphia Eagles

So am I, now. The Colts are red hot and close games are the only way New England pulls off a win. Too close for comfort, if you ask me. The Eagles will more than likely dominate the Cats. But then again, I went 1 and 3 this week on picks. As for my Chiefs, oh well. Better luck next year. (And hopefully without Greg Robinson. :rolleyes: )

[horrorfreak13]

What a NFL playoffs so far 3 OT games this round and every game except for the Colts-Broncos and Panthers-Cowboys has been great.

Green Bay blew that one they couldn't stop Phily on a 4th and 26 and Favre over threw his reviever for the INT that cost them the game.

The winner of the superbowl is coming out of the AFC anyways.

[Strider]

Yes, these 2003 NFL Playoffs have been awesome, thus far. This is one of the best NFL postseasons I've ever seen. Of course, the Panthers-Rams game is the best of them all, so far. That was certainly an incredible game, one of the best ever.

[Strider]

Originally posted by Morgana
My posts are horribly mis-timed today, but I think the same. Cripez, the Eagles had the balls to go on 4th and 26, why couldn't the Packers go on 4th and inches? Devastating! Fuck, these are the playoffs, just GO for it.

You said it, Morgana. These are the PLAYOFFS! Take a chance, do something ballsy, and just go for it!

[Strider]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
That is the theme of the weekend, conservative coaching calls (cough: Mike Martz).

Agreed. Those "conservative" coaching calls by Mike Martz and Mike Sherman were a key factor in their respective teams losing this weekend. If Sherman would have gone for the 1st down, I think the Packers would have won. And if Martz had tried for a touchdown with Bulger and Faulk in the last minute, instead of wasting the clock and going for a field goal, I think the Rams would have won the game.

The message of this weekend's divisional playoff matches is that conservative coaching calls don't pay off in the playoffs. It's only the liberal coaching calls that pay off..... :D

Strider

[PapaJupe2k]

I'm sure Sherman was thinking about that 4th and goal from the one where Green got stuffed earlier in the game. I still think punting was the right call there.

Martz though, geez there is no way to defend his coaching moves. And what was Bulger doing throwing a pass that got picked in ot when they were already in field goal range? Many curious calls this weekend, that is playoff pressure, I guess it gets to coaches too.

You could almost say that Kansas City should have tried an onside kick after their last td, they couldn't stop Indy anyway, so what is the difference where they got the ball?

[bmain77]

If I was Marshall Faulk I'd be raising a fuss about Mad Mike Martz play calling yesterday. How can you have arguably the best back in football and decide not to use him? It's not just yesterday, but several games throughout the season. Even Wayne Fontes and Marty Mohrninweg (sweet- I've finally forgot how to spell his name) could figure that out.

The Patroits and the Colts should be a classic playoff game. My gut says go with the Patriots stong defense and the arm and brains of my boy Tom Brady, but Peyton is just plain scary right now. Talk about shutting up your critics.

First, Trent Dilfer wins a super bowl now Jake Dellwhom? :D is a game away from the Super Bowl. It gives hope to the Charlie Batches of the world.

[Boba Joe]

What an amazing round of playoffs we had. Everything didn't go my way, but that's the game.

I'll pick New England and Philadelphia to win, but a
Colts-Panthers match would be the best scenario.
Payton Manning is the man.

[FeverDog420]

Every time I turned on FOX yesterday, I screamed. The Eagles did not play like a championship team. How the fuck did they pull the win off! I was going nuts!

I wonder how I would have been behaving if I were actually a football fan...

(I'm not jumping on any bandwagon; I've always supported the Eagles and Flyers without ever really following them. Philly pride, yo.)

[Rated R]

Originally posted by bmain77
If I was Marshall Faulk I'd be raising a fuss about Mad Mike Martz play calling yesterday. How can you have arguably the best back in football and decide not to use him? It's not just yesterday, but several games throughout the season. Even Wayne Fontes and Marty Mohrninweg (sweet- I've finally forgot how to spell his name) could figure that out.

The Patroits and the Colts should be a classic playoff game. My gut says go with the Patriots stong defense and the arm and brains of my boy Tom Brady, but Peyton is just plain scary right now. Talk about shutting up your critics.

First, Trent Dilfer wins a super bowl now Jake Dellwhom? :D is a game away from the Super Bowl. It gives hope to the Charlie Batches of the world.

You must be glad though that Charlie Batch is pretty much banned from Detroit. My God was he an embarrassment. It seems that Detroit ruins QB's or just never has a good one...Mitchell, McMahon, Batch...Harrington isn't looking great either, maybe a WR will help, but they'll never sign anybody.

Anywho, I was pissed GBay lost as they should have won the way Philly played. I was very happy the Rams lost because I just really don't like them. I was pissed the Pats won, because another Pats Superbowl really hurts the pride of a Dolphins faithful. I loved seeing the Colts trounce the Chiefs(Okay it was closer than a trouncing) but it goes to show that KC really needs a defense if they want to compete, go sign some quality players instead of picking and choosing from Kansas City High School's finest.

GOOOOOOOO COLTS!

[Grebdron]

So far I'm 8-0. Well, at least as far as who I WANTED to win each game.

And I still stand by my earlier, Patriots/Eagles Super Bowl.

With the Pats winning again.

[horrorfreak13]

I like Phily to beat Carolina on Sunday dispite I het Phily.

As for the AFC game Colts-Pats I'm going to take a few days to decide this one I'm more impressed with the Colts lately.

[horrorfreak13]

Also here I present to you (thanks to ESPN) the week in the NFL in pictures :D

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/sportoon_040112.jpg

:D :D

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040112_quickie.jpg :D

[jeo4]

Those are fall-down hilarious, horrorfreak. :D

[horrorfreak13]

nothing like something to make us all laugh

Dan Marino has reportedly been hired as Miami Dolphins head of football operations. As soon as this hits ESPN I'll post the link.

[tbone]

Originally posted by bmain77
If I was Marshall Faulk I'd be raising a fuss about Mad Mike Martz play calling yesterday. How can you have arguably the best back in football and decide not to use him? It's not just yesterday, but several games throughout the season. Even Wayne Fontes and Marty Mohrninweg (sweet- I've finally forgot how to spell his name) could figure that out.




I've been saying Martz is the dumbest coach in the NFL for a long time he just goes ahead and shows the country why he is. The dude knows how to create an offense, but that doesn't mean he knows how to coach a team to victory. Part of his problem is that he has some fucked up notion that he is the smartest man in NFL history. His post game news conference he said I knew we were going to win in overtime. Well if he was so sure he was going to win in overtime does that not mean that he can win it in the last thirty seconds? Secondly, he left no room for error, if the snap would've been botched they had no second chance to kick another field goal. The Rams should smarten up, and dump Martz as coach.

[jeo4]

Greg Robinson has tendered his resignation as the defensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. Best decision he's made all year. I wish him well in whatever he does (as long as it is not with the Chiefs). :D

[Haddonfield]

Here we go, its Tuesday but Ill give my predictions....

Carolina/Philly - Lets just say Ill be shoked if the Panthers win this, yet I wont be....hows that for playing the fence? I thought fer sure Green Bay would beat Philly so I cant count them out now can I? The Panthers showed me something last week, they showed that they are tough, fast, and still the weakest team left in the dance....Philly wins 21 - 13



Pats/Indy - my oh my, what to think of this game...?....logic would say that Indy is too hot to control and I have to agree. Manning is flying around out there going insane and picking off every coverage......but what people fail to realize is, defense is the Pats bread and butter. There will be none of that come sunday. The pats have the best coaching staff in the game and players to exicute whatever the staff has to offer. They have won 13 in a row...They always seem to pull it off. Indy is smoking right now but they have not been hit in the post season, not even close...and thats what the Pats do...they hit....and hard....Pats win 24 - 21

[horrorfreak13]

Dick Vermeil cries again.

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040114_quickie.jpg

:D

[jeo4]

EAGLES - PANTHERS
I must hedge my bets on the Philly vs. Carolina game. I think the heart attack cats just made a huge jump into reality. Their offense is actually pretty good, and their defense is great. I think the main point of concern for the Eagles now will be how to stop the Panthers' offense when they had such trouble with Brett Favre and the Packers. The Panthers may or may not pull it out, and then again, so might the Eagles. Offense is nothing special in Philly, but it's good enough. Donavan McNabb has made both spectacular plays and bad ones as well. With this game being played in Philadelphia, I think that the Eagles should have the advantadge. I'm not sure that the Panthers won't manage to squeak another win out, though.

For now, the edge goes to the Eagles.


COLTS - PATRIOTS
I have serious doubts about the Patriots right now. 15 consecutive wins or not, they still haven't made a believer out of me yet. Many of their defensive plays are good, but I question their ability to stop the potent Colts' offense with co-MVP Peyton Manning reading every defense as a history lesson. The Pats' defense is ranked 7th in the NFL. It is the heart and soul of the Patriots' winning scheme. But can they fend off Manning's relentless assault?

The Patriot offense, on the other hand is ranked 17th. Yes, defense wins games. And yes, the Pats' defense is good. But so is the Colts' defense, which is ranked 11th in the NFL. The question remains as to whether Tom Brady can find an opening in time to make consistent plays. Chances are that he will. But there's always a chance the Colts will blitz and keep consistent pressure on Brady. If they can stop the run and force Brady to play a passing game, then the defense can make a huge difference.

I have no doubt whatsoever that either team is capable of big plays in this game. However, I think this could be a very low scoring game on both sides of the ball. I don't give an edge to either team. I also don't assume that my pick is accurate on either side of the board. In their last outing, the Pats defeated the Colts 38-34, but even then the Colts defensive line was plagued by injuries. I think the Pats have been lucky one time too many and with wins much too close for comfort. The Colts are also 8-1 in road games this year, which happens to be the best road record in the NFL. I look for Manning to learn from previous mistakes and take the Patriots defense to the limit. I also think that the Colts' defense will be on the mark.

In the end, I pick the Colts to upset the Patriots at home.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Dick Vermeil cries again.

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040114_quickie.jpg

:D

Funny funny funny! I love it! :D

[Moviefan1234]

Mike Mularkey has been hired as the new Bills head coach. Apparently many Bills fans disagree with him, but I find it to be a good choice. He may be young, but you have to trust the GM. I don't think he'd pick the wrong guy a second time.

[jeo4]

Mike Mularkey remains untested. I think he may be a good fit, though. We'll never know unless he's given the opportunity.

So I hear that the Chiefs are hiring Gunther Cunningham as their defensive coordinator. That's great. He was the coordinator when the Chiefs had the number one defense in the NFL. With his prowess and with a retooling of the defense, the Chiefs may be pretty damned good next year. Remains to be seen, but it can't be any worse than the last two years. :D

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by jeo4
The question remains as to whether co-MVP Tom Brady

Not to nitpick, jeo, but the Co-MVP's were Manning and McNair, I think.

I stand by my pre-playoff prediction of Philly/New England SB, with NE winning 31-21.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Not to nitpick, jeo, but the Co-MVP's were Manning and McNair, I think.


yes they were.

[Haddonfield]

and watch as Brady already beats McNair, next up is Manning. They can the MVP...we want something better. :):cool: :D :eek:

[jeo4]

Sorry about that. I'll be happy to change my post. :)

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
and watch as Brady already beats McNair, next up is Manning. They can the MVP...we want something better. :):cool: :D :eek:

They can (what?) the MVP? :D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by jeo4
They can (what?) the MVP? :D

I believe the missing word is "have"

Anyway I'm going to love the New England-Indianapolis game that is my superbowl because the winner of this game is winning the super bowl.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Not to nitpick, jeo, but the Co-MVP's were Manning and McNair, I think.

I stand by my pre-playoff prediction of Philly/New England SB, with NE winning 31-21.

It was an honest mistake, really, seeing how the media seems to think the Pats (and especially Brady) are football gods. Anywho, how McNair shares this honor with Manning is beyond me. He hasn't done anything extraordinary in my opinion. Hell, he's looked downright bad in a few games. Once again, it just goes to show the media doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I believe the missing word is "have"

Anyway I'm going to love the New England-Indianapolis game that is my superbowl because the winner of this game is winning the super bowl.

Probably. Quite frankly, I'll lose interest if it isn't Indy.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by jeo4
It was an honest mistake, really, seeing how the media seems to think the Pats (and especially Brady) are football gods. Anywho, how McNair shares this honor with Manning is beyond me. He hasn't done anything extraordinary in my opinion. Hell, he's looked downright bad in a few games. Once again, it just goes to show the media doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

I think it was very close between the two and if you think of it without McNair or Manning both their respective teams would have the exact same record teams like Buffalo and NY Jets would have.

Then again most team's without their QB would end up in the same position but Baltimore dosen't have a QB so

[jeo4]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I think it was very close between the two and if you think of it without McNair or Manning both their respective teams would have the exact same record teams like Buffalo and NY Jets would have.

Then again most team's without their QB would end up in the same position but Baltimore dosen't have a QB so

Touche'. Quarterbacks are important. However, McNair missed some game time with Tennessee and his performance wasn't as good as Manning's. (IMO.)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by jeo4
Touche'. Quarterbacks are important. However, McNair missed some game time with Tennessee and his performance wasn't as good as Manning's. (IMO.)

True very true.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I believe the missing word is "have"

Anyway I'm going to love the New England-Indianapolis game that is my superbowl because the winner of this game is winning the super bowl.

why yes it is "have" as in "have" another super bowl mvp Brady. :)

But I "have" to say, im not seeing all of the national media love for the Pats, in fact, all I see or hear outside of this area is that its all about Indy. But for some reason there is this New England Backlash? I dont get it? They have nothing but hard working guys playing there ass' off. no showboating, no flash, just determination.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
why yes it is "have" as in "have" another super bowl mvp Brady. :)

But I "have" to say, im not seeing all of the national media love for the Pats, in fact, all I see or hear outside of this area is that its all about Indy. But for some reason there is this New England Backlash? I dont get it? They have nothing but hard working guys playing there ass' off. no showboating, no flash, just determination.

That's true I agree and New England battled a lot of injuries. Everyone in the media seems to be high on Peyton Manning because he's been so dominant the past 2 games.

I have more respect for New England this year than I did l2 years ago when they won with that tuck rule and thought of New England as a fluke team but they proved me wrong this year.

That and if New England wins the Super Bowl the last team they lost too was my Redskins and that don't make me feel good.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13

Anyway I'm going to love the New England-Indianapolis game that is my superbowl because the winner of this game is winning the super bowl.

Agreed.

[Strider]

I really hope the Colts manage to pull off a huge upset over the Patriots on Sunday. I know it's going to be tough for the Colts, but I believe they can do it. I believe in Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, and Tony Dungy.

I'll tell you one thing right now, if the Patriots manage to win this Sunday, and go on to the SuperBowl. I will be rooting my ass off for the NFC Champions to take them out, once and for all. If the Patriots were to win the SuperBowl, this great NFL regular season and post-season will become boring and insignificant for myself.

Strider

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Strider
I'll tell you one thing right now, if the Patriots manage to win this Sunday, and go on to the SuperBowl. I will be rooting my ass off for the NFC Champions to take them out, once and for all. If the Patriots were to win the SuperBowl, this great NFL regular season and post-season will become boring and insignificant for myself.

Strider


I have to ask....why?

[jeo4]

Because the Patriots will have been there three times in the last five years. If they win again, that's two wins in four years. And, yes, the national media (ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.) have collectively been jabbering their asses off about how wonderful the Pats are. No argument they're a good team, but I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same teams over and over again in the SuperBowl. It's boring. Different teams winning is what the competition is all about. If one team holds a monopoly (aka the Bills, the 49er's, the Cowboys, and others who saw multiple visits to the championship) then it's not interesting or fun for anybody but that team's fans. Just my point of view.

[Grebdron]

McNair hasn't done anything special?

He, Mcnabb and Vick are the future of the QB position.

If McNair ever had a perfectly healthy season, the Titans would be unstoppable.

And the Pats are every bit as good as advertised. Brady is incredibly solid, if not spectacular, and Belichick is an unbelievably good coach.

They had 42 different starters this season. That's fucking incredible.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Grebdron
They had 42 different starters this season. That's fucking incredible.

And considering almost all of those were defensive starters that's very impressive. Also here's something from ESPN. You kind of wonder how Payton Manning is this good.

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040116_quickie.jpg :D

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by jeo4
Because the Patriots will have been there three times in the last five years. If they win again, that's two wins in four years. And, yes, the national media (ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.) have collectively been jabbering their asses off about how wonderful the Pats are. No argument they're a good team, but I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same teams over and over again in the SuperBowl. It's boring. Different teams winning is what the competition is all about. If one team holds a monopoly (aka the Bills, the 49er's, the Cowboys, and others who saw multiple visits to the championship) then it's not interesting or fun for anybody but that team's fans. Just my point of view.


Just to claify the Pats were in the Sper Bowl in 96. So its been what 7 years since. The thing is they have had three different coachs (Parcells, Carroll, now God) two different QB's (Bledsoe, Brady) and a slew of free agents. So this is an age of football where the dynasty has sort of come and gone. I agree it can get old having the same team or teams there outside of their fan base but the Pats went the dance, got back to it 5 years later, then missed the playoffs, now in the AFC game. So I dont see it as them being there all the time. But I am also bias since I am a Pats fan...and I do think they are bulding a dynasty.

:)

Heres a joke I just heard....how does Bledsoe buy his potatos?




















By the sack. :)

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Heres a joke I just heard....how does Bledsoe buy his potatos?




















By the sack. :)

Hehehehe!:D That's gold. Send that to Reader's Digest they pay good money for jokes like that.:D I must be losing my mind but I cracked up when I read that.

The Colts offensive machine get's derailed this week, Pats by a field goal. They've got the best bad weather kicker in the history of the game, he does it again.

I look for Carolina to pick up another road win in Philly. Philly defense wont stop the run, it doesn't matter if it's Stephen Davis, DeShaun Foster, or even "He Hate Me", they run all over the Eagles and go to Super Bowl.

[Benny]

I just picked up my latest Sports Illustrated this afternoon, and they had the worst possible cover: McNabb. Dammit, we're jinxed now! We're fucked, thanks to SI! Why couldn't they have put Jake Delhomme on the cover? Surely he could deserve it for leading Carolina to a double-OT victory over St. Louis. Or how about Adam Vinatieri, who kicked a great field goal to lead New England past Tennesse in ice-cold temperature? Or how about Peyton Manning, whose Colts ran past Kansas City? Or how about Brian Billick just because I hate him. Just I was hoping that ANYONE besides an Eagles player would be on the cover this week, no luck there. Let's hope we can reverse the curse on Sunday night and blow away the Panthers. We already beat them once in Charlotte, we can do it again at home.

Haha, I liked that Bledsoe joke! :D
Get ready for a Pats-Eagles Super Bowl, amigos...

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Grebdron
McNair hasn't done anything special?

He, Mcnabb and Vick are the future of the QB position.

If McNair ever had a perfectly healthy season, the Titans would be unstoppable.

And the Pats are every bit as good as advertised. Brady is incredibly solid, if not spectacular, and Belichick is an unbelievably good coach.

Pardon me if I don't see it that way. I just don't see anything spectacular about New England, with the exception (perhaps) of their coach. I'm also unimpressed with Steve McNair. His health isn't my only issue. As far as being the "future" of QB's, Peyton Manning is rewriting history. Even if the Colts completely blow it in New England (I doubt that), Manning will be back next year. His completion record is outstanding, even against the Broncos and their rather tough defense. If there's one thing I can bet on, I'd bet that he has went over every Pats game with a fine-toothed comb. To say the Pats are just going to beat the Colts is just ludicrous coming from anyone in the media. In their last game, it took a goal line stand for the Pats to win. I stand by what I said before. The Colts are quite capable of an upset.

[Haddonfield]

I wouldnt think if Indy wins its an upset. The line is set at 3 so that tells you the money is going on Indy and could end up being a pick by game time. but I still dont see the national media flaming love for the Pats. I bet if NE beat a few teams 45-3 instead of 27-24 people might look at them differently but if you think about it, its not easy to put together a big winning streat, and sustain it in this league. Pats have won 13 in a row now. At one point they went 4 games without giving up a TD at home. They only gave up a little over 60 points at home all season...and heres where it gets good...34 of those 60+ points were by Indy.

So that sets the stage for a fantastic game.

:)

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by jeo4
Pardon me if I don't see it that way. I just don't see anything spectacular about New England, with the exception (perhaps) of their coach. I'm also unimpressed with Steve McNair. His health isn't my only issue. As far as being the "future" of QB's, Peyton Manning is rewriting history. Even if the Colts completely blow it in New England (I doubt that), Manning will be back next year. His completion record is outstanding, even against the Broncos and their rather tough defense. If there's one thing I can bet on, I'd bet that he has went over every Pats game with a fine-toothed comb. To say the Pats are just going to beat the Colts is just ludicrous coming from anyone in the media. In their last game, it took a goal line stand for the Pats to win. I stand by what I said before. The Colts are quite capable of an upset.

Peyton Manning is an anomaly. He and Brady are a dying breed. Don't get me wrong...I love both of them. And Manning's studying is legendary. He will be prepared. But so will Bellichick. And I believe the Pats will do something defensively to at least slow them down.

I also wouldn't really see it as an upset if Indy beat NE. They are that good. I just think that a dome team is going to have a lot of trouble in 0 degree weather.

But, we will have to disagree on McNabb AND McNair. Both of them do more with less thqan any quarterbacks in a long time. Look at Philly...3 years in a row in the championship game. And with who? Deuce Staley? McNabb has put that team on his shoulders. And McNair with the Titans has done the same thing.

[Strider]

Originally posted by jeo4
Because the Patriots will have been there three times in the last five years. If they win again, that's two wins in four years. And, yes, the national media (ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.) have collectively been jabbering their asses off about how wonderful the Pats are. No argument they're a good team, but I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same teams over and over again in the SuperBowl. It's boring. Different teams winning is what the competition is all about. If one team holds a monopoly (aka the Bills, the 49er's, the Cowboys, and others who saw multiple visits to the championship) then it's not interesting or fun for anybody but that team's fans. Just my point of view.

Preach on, man! I agree with you 100%, and that is exactly how I feel about the Patriots. I will admit that the Pats are a very good team, and that Bill Belichick is an excellent coach. But I just don't see anything incredible about the Pats. Honestly, I think the Pats are becoming a little overrated, because of all the non-stop praise and attention they're getting from the media.

Hell, just look at what Bob Ryan of "The Boston Globe" had to say about the Patriots yesterday......

"It's no longer like rooting for your high school team. Any remotely serious sports fan residing in America is aware of the New England Patriots. This is a team that stands for something. Whether or not the players are a lot better on an individual basis than anyone realizes, the fact remains that they have portrayed themselves to the public as the consummate sports T-E-A-M."

I know, I know, Bob Ryan does write for the BOSTON globe. But still, that quote is nevetheless pathetic, corny, and stomach-churning. This just futher adds to my apathy and disliking toward the New England Patriots.

Strider

[Strider]

Honestly, I think the Patriots have a lot of pressure on them right now. Of course, the Colts have more pressure, but the Patriots still got some too. First off, I really think that a 13-game winning streak puts immense pressure on the Pats, especially since they're in the playoffs. If this was still the regular season, there would probably be less pressue to keep the streak going. But this isn't the regular season, its the postseason! And I really think the Pats are suffering from pressure to keep the winning steak going until the SuperBowl is over. This is one aspect I think the Pats have against them this Sunday. And this is without mentioning that the Colts on fire right now.....

[Strider]

Well, since it appears mostly everyone here is talking about the Colts/Patriots game, I'm going to try to shift the discussion a little more to the Eagles/Panthers match-up. Anway, I'm predicting that the Eagles will win the game, and finally get themselves into the SuperBowl. However, I don't want to count the Panthers out, especially not after that outstanding game against the Rams last Saturday. Even though I think the Eagles will win, I still believe the Panthers could pull off an upset. It will definitely be a close game, no doubt about it. But let me just say this, if the Carolina Panthers were to become the NFC Champions on Sunday. Not only would that be another devastating NFC Championship loss for the Eagles, but I also think the Eagles might just turn into a cursed team once it comes to the postseason and Championship games. We'll see what happens though......

[horrorfreak13]

I think the Panthers have a chance to pull off the upset but the Eagles will somehow find a way to get the job done. If there is one weakness in the Eagles it's their run defense with Carolina can take advantage of with Stephen Davis or Deshawn Foster(he apparently played a Madden 2004 game with himself in for Stephen Davis and beat the Eagles)

Eagles 27 Carolina 21

As for the Pats-Colts This is too close but my gut tells me to go for the Colts

Indianapolis 28 New England 24

Either way it's another great week for football but I don't think anything could top last week.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Strider
Preach on, man! I agree with you 100%, and that is exactly how I feel about the Patriots. I will admit that the Pats are a very good team, and that Bill Belichick is an excellent coach. But I just don't see anything incredible about the Pats. Honestly, I think the Pats are becoming a little overrated [/B]

how can a team that has won 13 in a row in overrated? Give me a list of the last 5 teams to win 13 in a row and then tell me how they were overrated too. :)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
how can a team that has won 13 in a row in overrated? Give me a list of the last 5 teams to win 13 in a row and then tell me how they were overrated too. :)

I don't think the Pats are overrated you want to talk about overrated before the season started ESPN was talking about the Giants about how they were the best thing since slice bread and ended up like the pieces of shit I thought they would be.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Strider
Honestly, I think the Patriots have a lot of pressure on them right now. Of course, the Colts have more pressure, but the Patriots still got some too. First off, I really think that a 13-game winning streak puts immense pressure on the Pats, especially since they're in the playoffs. If this was still the regular season, there would probably be less pressue to keep the streak going. But this isn't the regular season, its the postseason! And I really think the Pats are suffering from pressure to keep the winning steak going until the SuperBowl is over. This is one aspect I think the Pats have against them this Sunday. And this is without mentioning that the Colts on fire right now.....


Nope, trust me....there is ZERO pressure right now. Like I have been trying to say all week long, this "love" for the Pats just doesnt exist regardless of what they have done. They are feeling no pressure, they still are the underdog as eveident as the plus 3 line on the game...witch means, its even.

and forget about the "its not the regular season" stuff...Brady hasnt lost a post season game!

No one understands just how well prepared they are and how well focused this Pats team is. Trust me, all these guys do is play hard and they win.

Im looking for a Pats win this Sunday, They have the better team....they could lose, thats just the way it goes...but people come one....take a look at what the Pats really have and what they have done...let the hate dissapear...:)

[Strider]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Nope, trust me....there is ZERO pressure right now. Like I have been trying to say all week long, this "love" for the Pats just doesnt exist regardless of what they have done. They are feeling no pressure, they still are the underdog as eveident as the plus 3 line on the game...witch means, its even.

Zero pressure? That's very doubtful, and difficult to believe. They may not feel it right now, but they will on Sunday. Just because they've won 13 straight games doesn't mean they won't feel any pressure. Not in the slightest, not by a long shot......

Originally posted by Haddonfield
...take a look at what the Pats really have and what they have done...let the hate dissapear...:)

NEVER!!!!!! ;)

[Moviefan1234]

My predictions:

Colts 21 Patriots 17

Just too much offense for the Patriots too handle. Their defense is good, but they'll only be able to contain the playmakers for so long. The Patriots offense just doesn't have the RB's to keep them balanced in this game when they'll need points. As good as Brady is, he won't be able to do it all.

Eagles 24 Panthers 10

The Eagles are on a roll and will run right over Carolina. They may lack a bigtime WR, but McNabb will do enough for them to get to the Super Bowl until they lose to the Colts. The Panthers don't have enough offense to win.

[Benny]

Aahhh... Predictions

Patriots 20, Colts 17- I just don't see anyone winning in chilly Gillette Stadium during this time of year. The Colts have had a great year, but have yet to match up with team that has a defense like New England's in this year's playoffs. Tom Brady leads the team to their second Super Bowl in three years.

Eagles 28, Panthers 19- The Eagles have lost the last 2 NFC Championship Games. If they lose tomorrow, it will be heart-wrenching for the entire city. It won't happen. The third thime will be a charm, and McNabb the McNificent will throw for three touchdowns and run for one himself and lead the Eagles to The Super Bowl... finally.

[RicochetShaw]

I predict the Pats will handily defeat the Colts. I use this year's Sugar Bowl as my reasoning. Look at what OU was doing, completely destroying every team they faced (except K-State). But they were a completely one-dimensional offensive team. It was Jason White in the shotgun, every time. That worked against the inferior teams, but when when they had to play LSU, who had the best defense and a great coach in Nick Saban, their offensive was completely dismantled because it was so one-dimensional. The Colts are the same way. It's Manning calling plays at the line every time. I think the Pats' invincible secondary will smother the field because Bellichick will be more than ready, and Manning will finally be shut down. Just my two cents...

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
I predict the Pats will handily defeat the Colts. I use this year's Sugar Bowl as my reasoning. Look at what OU was doing, completely destroying every team they faced (except K-State). But they were a completely one-dimensional offensive team. It was Jason White in the shotgun, every time. That worked against the inferior teams, but when when they had to play LSU, who had the best defense and a great coach in Nick Saban, their offensive was completely dismantled because it was so one-dimensional. The Colts are the same way. It's Manning calling plays at the line every time. I think the Pats' invincible secondary will smother the field because Bellichick will be more than ready, and Manning will finally be shut down. Just my two cents...


Preach it!!!

:)

[Morgana]

All right, who's excited about today's games? I'm excited...I can barely wait! 3.5 more hours till gametime. My final predictions, and I'm basing these on a formula I've come up with...if I'm wrong, I'll blame it on the formula. ;)

Philly over Carolina

Pats over Colts


PS I like the Pats. Maybe I'm just not keeping up with the news, but they've always struck me as that quiet little team from New England who isn't very flashy, but they're solid, and they get the job done. If they are suffering of media overexposure I'm not aware of it (bonus of living in Oregon, I guess :)), I still like 'em.

[horrorfreak13]

ooh already 2 INTs by Peyton Manning and the Colts were looking good until the INT in the end zone

[Morgana]

Wow...aside from the fumble the Pats have done no wrong. The Colts? Yikez! I'm very underwhelmed by the Colts right now. One more half to go...

[horrorfreak13]

Man the Colts look horrible right now but they have came back before so but the Colts could have been down worse than 15-0 right now

[Indiana Sev]

Colts are incompetent.

I love football in the snow.

Pats rock.

New England will advance.

[Boba Joe]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Colts are incompetent.


I would call them a lot of things. That isn't one of them.
Nevertheless, congratulations to the New England Patriots.
If they can beat Carolina or Philadelphia in 2 weeks...they certainly derserve the championship.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
I would call them a lot of things. That isn't one of them.


I know, I just get happy when a team I don't like is losing and I like to make it sound worse than it is. :D

[Moviefan1234]

Congrats, Sev. Your team played well.

[Morgana]

I almost have to feel sorry for Payton Manning, but hotdamn...I think I love Ty Law! :D

YESSSS! The Pats have done it! ** high-fives Sev** :cool:


And now on to game 2. I've been pacing up and down over that one all week. There's a shitload of pressure on the Eagles, I'm just dying to see how they will respond. If they lose, I think all of Philly will pelt them with rocks and garbage. I just hope they can pull it off.

[Haddonfield]

Well, like always, it was close...almost.

Pats did what they do, 4 INT's, plenty of saks. Another notch in the belt. I only wish it kept snowing, much better to watch that way.

Bring on Philly or the Panthers, sweet game.

Hey Strider!.....

:cool:

[Strider]

Well, I fucking hate to do this, but I'll have to congratulate Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Ty Law, the Patriots defensive line for defeating the Colts, winning the AFC Championship, and getting themselves a trip to SuperBowl XXXVIII. However, I couldn't give a damn what anybody says, but I think the Colts put up a great effort in that absolutely horrible atmosphere. The Colts have nothing to be ashamed of, they had a great season, and Peyton Manning is still deserving of his co-MVP title.

[Haddonfield]

The Colts battled hard, they hung in there, no one said it was going to be easy, least not me. Manning, I guess, is deserving of co MVP. he was just too mixed up tonight by the best D in the game. Its a shame a coach cant win MVP.

[Morgana]

Originally posted by Strider
However, I couldn't give a damn what anybody says, but I think the Colts put up a great effort in that absolutely horrible atmosphere. The Colts have nothing to be ashamed of, they had a great season, and Peyton Manning is still deserving of his co-MVP title.

I personally don't want to take anything away from the Colts. They could've packed up and gone home after that disastrous first half, but they showed resolve and gave it a good fight in the second half. Colts fans have nothing to be ashamed of.

[Strider]

On to the NFC Championship. I am predicting that the Eagles will win the game. But honestly, I'm not sure I care who wins. Whether its the Eagles or Panthers, that will be the team I'll be rooting for at the SuperBowl. That will be the team I'll be rooting to finally defeat those bastard Patriots.

You know, I don't think either the Eagles or Panthers are a better team than the Patriots. But could they beat them, and win the SuperBowl? Yeah, I think they can.

[horrorfreak13]

Well congrats to the New England Patriots for stopping Peyton Manning. Ty Law had a fucking awesome game and the Pats deserve it. Now to the Eagles and Panthers the Eagles should win this game but it really doesn't matter because the Pats will probably beat either one of these two teams.

[Strider]

I've actually changed my mind now. I do care who wins this NFC Championship game. And I want the Eagles to win, and finally get themselves to the SuperBowl......


GO EAGLES!!!!

[horrorfreak13]

The only reason I'm going for the Eagles is because the game seems more intresting than New England-Carolina. Despite I hate these bastards.

[Haddonfield]

For me personaly, My entire family, whats left of them, was born and raised in Philly but me. So we have this big rivalry since forever in my circle. Id love a Philly/Pats game just for that.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Strider
I've actually changed my mind now. I do care who wins this NFC Championship game. And I want the Eagles to win, and finally get themselves to the SuperBowl......


GO EAGLES!!!!


I agree....they are almost half as bad as the Bills! :) Id like to see them there. Donovan is a workhorse.

[Strider]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
The only reason I'm going for the Eagles is because the game seems more intresting than New England-Carolina. Despite I hate these bastards.

Well, I actually like the Eagles. But I agree with you, nevertheless. Eagles-Patriots sounds like a better game to me as well. And Donovan McNabb vs. Tom Brady sounds better to me, than Tom Brady vs. Jake Delhomme...... :D

[Strider]

SUPERBOWL XXXVIII

New England Patriots vs. Philadelphia Eagles

Alright then. So we're all (or most of us) in total agreement that this is the SuperBowl we want to see, correct? :D

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Strider
SUPERBOWL XXXVIII

New England Patriots vs. Philadelphia Eagles

Alright then. So we're all (or most of us) in total agreement that this is the SuperBowl we want to see, correct? :D

Helllllllllllls no...

I can take the Colts losing to New England, even though I prayed to Jesus that they wouldn't...

But Philly too? Man... enough's enough.

[horrorfreak13]

well now Koy Detmer is in the game. Wonder if McNabb's going to be back in

[RicochetShaw]

THE CAROLINA PANTHERS ARE THE NFC CHAMPS!


:eek: :eek: :eek:

[horrorfreak13]

Well Carolina wins 14-3 and just beat up McNabb and Detmer and just gave them nothing. Well that gives me an oppoortunity to poke fun at the Eagles for this HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Even thought I would have loved to see New England vs Philadelphia oh well :D

[Boba Joe]

Congratulations on the Carolina Panthers on winning their first NFC Championship. My heart goes out to the Philly fans...that's gotta be tough to watch three straight years. Philly had a good team this year and should be ashamed of nothing. Now we have the P.P. SuperBowl. I realize that New England will be the odds on favorite. But there have been suprises in the SuperBowl the last few years. I'll be the first to pick the underdog Panthers on winning the World Championship. Again, if the Pats can do it...I'll have to credit them as having one of the most impressive seasons in NFL history.

[Boba Joe]

I also wanted to add that I am soooo glad we're done being forced to watch all of the stupid and unintelligent CBS and FOX TV show commercials. Joe Buck is a horrible announcer. It's bad enough to hear him during the World Series, but I shudder to think of his announcing next year's SuperBowl. Along with Cris Collingsworth?! I feel for ya, Aikman. I feel for ya.
That's all.
:D

[Strider]

The Carolina Panthers are the NFC Champions......

Holy shit! I can't believe I just said that! It's totally and completely incomprehensible! I just don't believe it!

Nevertheless, a huge congrats to the Panthers for winning the game, shutting down Donovan McNabb and the Eagles, and getting themselves to their very first SuperBowl. It's amazing what coach John Fox has done with this team.... amazing.

So, it looks like it's going to be the Patriots-Panthers at the SuperBowl. That would have been last SuperBowl possibility on my mind.

[Strider]

Did anyone notice that both the Eagles and Colts' QB's had a big thorn on their backs today? For Peyton Manning, it was the Patriots' Ty Law. And for Donovan McNabb, it was the Panthers' Ricky Manning. Weird, eh?

[Strider]

SUPERBOWL XXXVIII

New England Patriots vs. Carolina Panthers

Again, this was the last SuperBowl possibility on my mind throughout the 2003 season and the post-season. But it looks like it's actually going to happen. This should turn out to be a very good game. Both teams have great defensive teams, and both teams have rock solid Quarterbacks. As for my prediction, I'm going to go out on a limb, and say the underdog Panthers will pull off a massive upset on February 1st. The Panthers will also be the team I'll be rooting for, since mostly everyone here knows how I feel about those damn Patriots..... :D

Strider

[Morgana]

It looks like it didn't work out for the Eagles...it'll be tough, both for them and their fans. I almost dread to say it, but there's always next year.

And who would've thunk the Panthers would end up in the SuperBowl? At least it'll be an exciting one because the Panthers are on unchartered territory, we'll see what they can do in the big game. I think the Pats will be able to win, but I won't dismiss Carolina too easily.

Congrats to the Panthers!

[Strider]

Getting back to the Eagles, I really feel sorry about their loss tonight. It was a completely devastating loss. This is their 3rd straight loss at the NFC Championship. With all honestly, I think the Philadelphia Eagles are officially cursed. No matter how good the Eagles are, no matter how great Donovan McNabb plays; its very obvious by now, that when it comes time to play in the NFC Championship, the Eagles choke and die. And that's exactly what happened tonight for the Eagles, and its a total bitch for them.....

[PapaJupe2k]

Well not so dramatic of games this week, but still entertaining. The teams with the two best defenses won, pretty much like I expected. Should be a fierce defensive battle in the Super Bowl as well.

The Eagles just never had a chance offensively even with a healthy McNabb. It was a cheap hit that injured the ribs though. How could the refs miss that!? No penalty even called on it. It's a shame it had to play out like that, but that Panther defense is physical, my word! It would help if Philly would get some NFL quality recievers on their team, that was ridiculous today. Congrats John Fox and the Panthers, you deserve to be there. I'm liking this team, I'll be rooting for them in the Super Bowl. I'd like to see Delhomme do well too, he seems like a very down to earth nice guy.

Indy just got stifled by the elements and a superior defense today. More times than not a great defense will shut down a great offense, seems especially come playoff time. Indy will be back though, Peyton will have another shot at it.

Why the two week layoff before the Super Bowl now? I thought they did away with that. Oh well, just more time to talk about it.:)

[bmain77]

The Patriots have opened up as 7 pt favorites, but right now I'm wondering if there will even be that many pts scored total. These two defenses are incredible, but then again Mcnabb doesn't have a whole lot to work with.

What the Patriots did to Manning was unreal. Bellicek is by far the best coach in the league today. After watching UM get stomped by MSU yesterday in basketball, it did my heart good to see the two Michigan boys come up huge today. Tom Brady was as sharp as ever that first int by Ty Law was awesome. I wonder if the Pats are still threating to do to Law what they did to Lawyer Milloy now?

My prediction for the Superbowl is 13-10 with the Pats winning on a Adam Venitiari(butchered that spelling) kick.

[Strider]

Originally posted by bmain77
My prediction for the Superbowl is 13-10 with the Pats winning on a Adam Venitiari(butchered that spelling) kick.

Ugh. You know, if (heaven forbid) the Patriots were to win the SuperBowl, I'll be quite pissed and bored. But if the Pats win the game with a kick by Adam Vinatieri, I'll be even more pissed and bored. If the Pats must win the SuperBowl again, I'd rather see them win another way, instead of using their prized kicker and winning the game just as in SuperBowl XXXVI..... :rolleyes: :D

[sharkstank]

my thoughts:

the colts gave away the game. 5 turnovers, two in the redzone, and they gave it away. you cant do that with a weak defense

the pats have been squeaking by all year, on peoples mistakes and luck. the way indy played, the pats should have KILLED them.they're riding the 15 game streak, so their due for a loss.

the panthers are a solid team, although i didnt think theyd make it past the second round, but they have the formula. strong defense, offense, a qb that wont lose the game for you, three solid backs, solid receiveras, AWESOME d line and line backers, and a previously thoguht weak secondary who showed uo today.

as for the eagles, they are choke artists. the receivers suck, the backs did ok, the line did ok, and they were still only down by 11 pojts in the fourth.but what don mcnabb did was horrendous. he has played with A BROKEN ANKLE before, and bruised ribs took him out of THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. that was sickening. his team went to war for him and he left em in the fourth quarter. i had respect for him, but that is inexcuseable. look at mcnair, he sure as hell wouldn't have left the game, or any qb for that matter. his injury made have been nagging him, but it wasnt that bad. going tinto halftime he jogged off the field, and terry bradshaw said that if it was serious, there was no way he'd be jogging. so somethings up. all downhill from here for the eagles, and mcnabb is garbage. no sympathy, as they are over rated, especially mcnabb, who couldnt pull through when they needed him
bobajoe, i think the fans should be ashamed. they have been here three years now, with solid teams and they cant move ondue to their own uneven play. look at mcnabbs stats in the three games, 1td and i think 6 int's. they dont belong in anymore championship games, and the fans expected nothing less than a sb appearance. horrible disappintment, as they will lose players, and they are not getting any better, while other nfc teams like dallas, atlanta, washington, tb, gb, sf, seattle, minnesota and maybe even the bears and saints will leapfrog them.
strider, my raider fan bud, its no curse. its inconsistency and belkieving in your own overrated hype. looks like limbaugh may have been right, and it would probably be recognised as so if he didnt add that ignorant comment about race.

i really hope panthers win, as i HATE the patriots as a raiders fan. i actually think the panthers will win, as they have a great d, and the offense will open it up. patriots luck runs out feb 1, as panthers will beat em.

WWWWHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Strider]

Originally posted by sharkstank
strider, my raider fan bud, its no curse. its inconsistency and belkieving in your own overrated hype. looks like limbaugh may have been right, and it would probably be recognised as so if he didnt add that ignorant comment about race.

You may be right, sharkstank. Perhaps all the praise and hype got to the heads of the Eagles team, and therefore, that is why they loss tonight's game. But whatever it may have been, the Eagles were outplayed by the Panthers, they delivered a pitiful performance, and they disappointed all their die-hard fans.

Oh btw, sharkstank.... we mustn't mention the name of THAT team ever again until the 2004 NFL Season begins. I still haven't forgotten their wretched performance last year...... :D

Strider

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by sharkstank

as for the eagles, they are choke artists. the receivers suck, the backs did ok, the line did ok, and they were still only down by 11 pojts in the fourth.but what don mcnabb did was horrendous. he has played with A BROKEN ANKLE before, and bruised ribs took him out of THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. that was sickening. his team went to war for him and he left em in the fourth quarter. i had respect for him, but that is inexcuseable. look at mcnair, he sure as hell wouldn't have left the game


I'm so sick of hearing how tough Steve McNair is. He may be, but he gets injured 10 TIMES A YEAR! And he may have carried the carried the Titans' offense on his shoulders, but that's also why they're not in the SuperBowl. He or the coaches need to learn one man can't win every game for you. And notice how I said he carries his offense, he doesn't carry the entire team. The Titans have a very underrated defense that crushed Jamal Lewis. Sorry, this was a rant... :D

[sharkstank]

i agree with you ricochetshaw, but i just threw mcnair's name in. any qb would have played. in his press conference, mcnabb said he wanted to go in but reid said no. there were no tests done to show that he couldnt play, and if your down in the championship game, would you stop your "superstar" from coming into the game. no, because you want to win. mcnabb is garbage

your right strider, that teams name mustnt be mentioned in this village until next fall shows itself.
my aplogies

WWWWHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Morgana]

Until someone can tell me how much pain there is when one's trying to play with separated rib cartilage, and how such an injury would affects one's passing, I'll give McNabb the benefit of the doubt. From what I've been reading he really did want to get back into the game, but Reid wouldn't let him. I would actually think the coach having taken him out of the game had more to do with McNabb having thrown 3 interceptions than him being injured. A maimed AND ineffective QB? I would think he would do more harm than good. Regardless, I don't think McNabb deserves to be called garbage. That's a little too harsh.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
It was a cheap hit that injured the ribs though. How could the refs miss that!? No penalty even called on it.

I believe the whistle never blew. Apparently the ref thought McNabb just fell and was never touched even though the guy ripped his shoe off.
:confused:

Anyway, I feel so sorry for McNabb. The guy is an awsome QB, but he has just about nothing to work with in Philly. Get the man a WR! They need to go after one of the WR's in free agency or draft one in the first round of the draft.

Congrats to the Panthers, who would've thought they'd be the NFC Champions this season? :eek:

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
I believe the whistle never blew. Apparently the ref thought McNabb just fell and was never touched even though the guy ripped his shoe off.

I never heard the whistle either and I thought the same thing until they showed the replay a few times.

Congrats Panthers and as for the Eagles :D

[horrorfreak13]

Also from ESPN the week in the NFL and man this is so fucking funny.

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/sportoon_040119.jpg

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by sharkstank
but what don mcnabb did was horrendous. he has played with A BROKEN ANKLE before, and bruised ribs took him out of THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. that was sickening. his team went to war for him and he left em in the fourth quarter. i had respect for him, but that is inexcuseable. look at mcnair, he sure as hell wouldn't have left the game, or any qb for that matter. his injury made have been nagging him, but it wasnt that bad. going tinto halftime he jogged off the field, and terry bradshaw said that if it was serious, there was no way he'd be jogging. so somethings up. all downhill from here for the eagles, and mcnabb is garbage. no sympathy, as they are over rated, especially mcnabb,

Geez man, I'd say this rant is a bit out line. Not a bit, a lot! You think he just quit on his team? Give me a break.:rolleyes: I heard what Terry Bradshaw said he said if he had broken or cracked ribs he wouldn't be able to jog off the field, he didn't say it wasn't a serious injury. When you get a shot to the ribs it effects every movement you make, throwing, running, even just trying to get your wind. Like Morgana said only McNabb knows the severity of the pain he was in, so it's unfair to speculate. He was out there giving it his all, this game was extremely important to him and the Eagles, after that hit he just couldn't answer the bell. Like Morgana brought up I'm sure this was a coaching decision on Reid's part because he was so ineffective in his injured state that he figured his best chance to win was to go with Detmer. As for the playing with a broken ankle you mentioned, while I'm sure it was painful, it didn't effect his throwing motion and stamina, just his mobility.

Calling him "garbage" and saying he quit on his team is way out of line.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
Geez man, I'd say this rant is a bit out line. Not a bit, a lot! You think he just quit on his team? Give me a break.:rolleyes: I heard what Terry Bradshaw said he said if he had broken or cracked ribs he wouldn't be able to jog off the field, he didn't say it wasn't a serious injury. When you get a shot to the ribs it effects every movement you make, throwing, running, even just trying to get your wind. Like Morgana said only McNabb knows the severity of the pain he was in, so it's unfair to speculate. He was out there giving it his all, this game was extremely important to him and the Eagles, after that hit he just couldn't answer the bell. Like Morgana brought up I'm sure this was a coaching decision on Reid's part because he was so ineffective in his injured state that he figured his best chance to win was to go with Detmer. As for the playing with a broken ankle you mentioned, while I'm sure it was painful, it didn't effect his throwing motion and stamina, just his mobility.

Calling him "garbage" and saying he quit on his team is way out of line.

I agree McNabb was picked off in his first 2 drives in the half with the rib injury and his recievers quit on him too Pinkston and McNabb didn't communicate properly and I think Pinkston just didn't play physhical enough against Manning who is 5 foot 8. The Eagles have just average recievers and they need to get better (althought I hope the fall flat next year so my Redskins can take over next year)

Also McNabb wan't allowed to run a lot he only got 10 rushing yards and that was before the injury occurred.

Superbowl prediction I think this one is going to be closer than the 7 points New England was given as favorites but I say New England wins this one 21-17

2 week wait now what the hell I thought they got rid of that 3 years ago.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by sharkstank
any qb would have played. in his press conference, mcnabb said he wanted to go in but reid said no. there were no tests done to show that he couldnt play, and if your down in the championship game, would you stop your "superstar" from coming into the game. no, because you want to win. mcnabb is garbage

Exactly what sort of "tests" did you want them to perform? So you're saying that both McNabb and Reid were lying in their post-game comments? Did you see how effective he was after the injury? I wouldn't want him in their playing like that. I guess Detmer would be considered "any qb" and he wasn't real effective healthy.

I cant even believe this rant, the more I think about it's just absurd.

[Boba Joe]

I wasn't a big fan of Donovan McNabb either, though I would never "rush" to make an absurd comment. The man got physically hurt in that game. He was obviously in a lot of pain, and if he could have continued...he would have.. I'm still not a fan, but the man's got my respect now. Moviefan1234 nailed it: the guy needs some playmakers to step it up next year.

[bmain77]

Donovan Mcnabb is the last person whose manhood should be questioned on the Eagles. That should go to his recievers especially Todd Pinkston and that defense. That touchdown by Foster was horrible. Its not like he is a power runner yet he run through like 6 eagles including three linebackers.

The Eagles frontoffice needs to get thier shit together or Mcnabbs career is going to be similar to Marino's with all the gaudy numbers, but no big wins. The Dolphins never gave Marino a decent running back and really no espcecially great wide recievers. It's been the same with the Eagles.

[Clarkey07]

YEAH! PANTHERS! YES!

From early on in the year, I said it was their year and they haven't proved me wrong. They are playing great football.

"Offence wins games, defence wins championships!" :D

[sharkstank]

ok, i was rash in making some of my comments.
i wrote those right after the game and all that just spewed out.

papajupe2k, i see where your coming from. it was an injury, and it was unfair for me to speculate. i just found it incredible that if mcnabb said he could go, reid wouldnt let him in. he was ineffective before and after (and like horrorfreak and bmain said, the receivers and line sucked and were ZERO help to mcnabb.) but i highly doubt that detmer was the answer. the best chance was with mcnabb in. and there was no way for tests to be done, your right. so all they had to go by was what mcnabb said he could do. and he wanted to go in. i dont understand why reid wouldnt let him. im not saying they "lied" during their conferences. i just cant believe that reid wouldnt let him play without a trainer or doctor saying he absolutely couldnt go. this may have been there last chance for years.
the team will go through changes.
taylor, staley and vincent wont be back. like movie fan said, they NEED receivers. and a better line. and definately better linebackers, more d linemen and to replace the leaving db's.

bobajoe, i did rush. i should have had more perspective on it.

and bmain, you are right with the marino analogy. the office needs to make some big moves to help out mcnabb. his numbers still arent great, he squeaks wins by, but with a GREAT team, not a moderate one, he could get to the big game.

and i retract the garbage statement, that was dumb.

anyway, thanks for making me see some of the errors of my hasty comments. good discussion, but now i bet we're all looking forward to the super bowl (GO CATS since i despise the patriots)
and all the newfangled commercials and movie spots:D

WWWWWWWHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
2 week wait now what the hell I thought they got rid of that 3 years ago.


I thought so too but after some research, that one week difference (my Pats also there :)) was because of September 11th. Remember they had to push the season back a week so that Super Bowl wait was only one week.

[the bark]

I've never posted in the sports message board here but it's as good a place as any to post my thoughts so here's my opinions on the superbowl.
I'm going with Carolina because of their physical running game.
A strong running game can control the clock and can defeat any other style.
Each team has a physical D, everyone seems to agree on that, but New England relies more on their passing game on O, and could potentially be more effected by Carolina's D, while Carolina's style of O can do more of the dishing out, and their passing game is set up by their ground game.
In my opinion their game plan might be more effective.
New England will also be out of their stadium and on turf for for the 1st time in the playoffs.
I think their D's are almost equal, but Carolina's rb's and O line might be the difference.
Only my opinions though.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by the bark
I've never posted in the sports message board here but it's as good a place as any to post my thoughts so here's my opinions on the superbowl.
I'm going with Carolina because of their physical running game.
A strong running game can control the clock and can defeat any other style.
Each team has a physical D, everyone seems to agree on that, but New England relies more on their passing game on O, and could potentially be more effected by Carolina's D, while Carolina's style of O can do more of the dishing out, and their passing game is set up by their ground game.
In my opinion their game plan might be more effective.
New England also will also be out of their stadium and on turf for for the 1st time in the playoffs.
I think their D's are almost equal, but Carolina's rb's and O line might be the difference.
Only my opinions though.


I would agree with most of that logic but something that went under the radar screen in the Pats win is that Smith ran for 100 yards, again.

The turf could be an edge for the Cats but while the Pats have not played on turf in the post season, they have won 14 in a row now, and that didnt come on all grass. Plus they "shut down" the Rams on turf in the big game 2 years ago. So I really see no favor in any aspect for the Panthers.

But Im bias so there ya go...:)

[Strider]

I was watching ESPN earlier today. And they showed the results of the Panthers-Patriots SuperBowl through a computer-controlled Madden 2004 game. As for the results, the Carolina Panthers became SuperBowl champions in OT with a score of 23-17.....

Pretty cool, eh? Now if that were to actually happen..... :cool:

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Strider
Now if that were to actually happen..... :cool:


It wont. :D :) :rolleyes: :eek: :cool: :p ;)

[the bark]

I somewhat agree with your points. Definitely New England has a good ground game, I just don't think it's as strong or as physical as Carolina's, and Carolina has 2 Rb's and are a run 1st team.
As for the turf though I also agree but I guess the emphasis in my opinion is more on the fact that they'll be away from their stadium where they've been at their best with their crowd. They've certainly gotten the job done away though.
I'm not certain such a streak of 14 straight games doesn't put more pressure on them though in a really close game.
In sports sometimes the longer a team goes without being defeated, the bigger chance there is statistically that they will be as each game goes on.

[The Delfonics]

Who said Carolina in the Super Bowl in the original thread at start of season!??!? ME THATS RIGHT

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by the bark
I somewhat agree with your points. Definitely New England has a good ground game, I just don't think it's as strong or as physical as Carolina's, and Carolina has 2 Rb's and are a run 1st team.
As for the turf though I also agree but I guess the emphasis in my opinion is more on the fact that they'll be away from their stadium where they've been at their best with their crowd. They've certainly gotten the job done away though.
I'm not certain such a streak of 14 straight games doesn't put more pressure on them though in a really close game.
In sports sometimes the longer a team goes without being defeated, the bigger chance there is statistically that they will be as each game goes on.

To a mear team, everything you said would make sence...but. This is no usual team..This a machine.

When will they ever learn?:D

Have to say, the of the reasons that Pats have been so sucsessful under Coach God, is because of how physical they play. They hit hard and all the time. Look at what they did to Indy. They smashed them on the line, off the line and everytime. Same with the two Titans games, same with the Buffalo game, same with the two Miami games, same with the Philly game...same with every game they have played but one.

Like ive stated before, they are not flashy, they dont have the "names" they just win. everyone knows there role, everyone is pulling for everyone else. Coach God asks one thing out of his players, and thats to be the best you can be, let the coahing staff draw up the x's and o's, but you guys, the players go out there and earn it.

Remember 2 years ago when the Rams were getting intruduced as individuals? Remember what the Pats did? They all came out together....no one individual was mentioned over another. That is what they are about. Its different in New England, and that is why I have all the confidence that they will pull out another one...it could be by 1 point or 20...it doesnt matter to them. Its not being cocky, its witnessing a TEAM play there ass' off for one another. and they just happen to have the best secondary in the game, a super bowl MVP, a coach of the year, two coached who would have a head coach job by now but by the luck of God dont because of there sucess...an O line that gives said super bowl MVP all the time he needs and enough running to balence the attack.

OK, sorry, rant over....:)

2 rings in 3 years. :):cool:

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Like ive stated before, they are not flashy, they dont have the "names" they just win. everyone knows there role, everyone is pulling for everyone else. Coach God asks one thing out of his players, and thats to be the best you can be, let the coahing staff draw up the x's and o's, but you guys, the players go out there and earn it.


everyone thought this team was doomed after they lost Laywer Milloy to Buffalo but they recovered after their opening loss to Buffalo where it was their only poor game. They also didn't play very well against Washington but they were great in all the other games.

If you look at New England their 3 players that they can't live without is Teddy Bruschi, Ty Lay and Tom Brady.

Plus Bill Belichek (or however you spell it) is a great coach and I think he was the defensive co-ordinator for the Giants super bowl team in 1990.

I think the only advantage Carolina has is a superior running game than New England but New England dominates the Panthers in everything else.

I still think this is going to be closer than the 7 points oddsmakers are giving the Patriots.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I think the only advantage Carolina has is a superior running game than New England but New England dominates the Panthers in everything else.


So did Indy...to quote the Big O..."howd that work out for you" :)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I still think this is going to be closer than the 7 points oddsmakers are giving the Patriots.


No doubt, the Pats dont blow anyone out...not that 7 is a blow out but it sets a tone. Like I said, they win by 1 or 20. Its always close with the Pats.

[bmain77]

The thing that is really scaru about the Patriots is that they are going to be awesome for years to come. During the game they said that the Pats have 7 picks in the first four rounds. Then keep in mind the super finds they have turned up in the past few drafts.

This team full of "nobody's" could easily pick up a franchise running back (maybe Chris Perry) and a reciever who is actually taller than 5'10" this year making that offense potentially very explosive in the coming years.

By the way if the Patriots due end up drafting Perry which has been predicted in a couple mock drafts I've seen already I think I'll pretty much have to pack up and move to New England and adopt them as my chosen team.

[TheDeadWalk]

As much as I want the Panthers to win the Superbowl, I have to say this is a disgusting victory for the media.

For years they've wanted to see a Cajun quarterback do well.:D

Signed,

Rush.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
The thing that is really scaru about the Patriots is that they are going to be awesome for years to come. During the game they said that the Pats have 7 picks in the first four rounds. Then keep in mind the super finds they have turned up in the past few drafts.

This team full of "nobody's" could easily pick up a franchise running back (maybe Chris Perry) and a reciever who is actually taller than 5'10" this year making that offense potentially very explosive in the coming years.

By the way if the Patriots due end up drafting Perry which has been predicted in a couple mock drafts I've seen already I think I'll pretty much have to pack up and move to New England and adopt them as my chosen team.

They have 2 picks in the first round the 21st pick(Baltimore) and either 31st or 32nd

[jeo4]

Originally posted by sharkstank
my thoughts:

the colts gave away the game. 5 turnovers, two in the redzone, and they gave it away. you cant do that with a weak defense

the pats have been squeaking by all year, on peoples mistakes and luck. the way indy played, the pats should have KILLED them.they're riding the 15 game streak, so their due for a loss.

the panthers are a solid team, although i didnt think theyd make it past the second round, but they have the formula. strong defense, offense, a qb that wont lose the game for you, three solid backs, solid receiveras, AWESOME d line and line backers, and a previously thoguht weak secondary who showed uo today.

as for the eagles, they are choke artists. the receivers suck, the backs did ok, the line did ok, and they were still only down by 11 pojts in the fourth.but what don mcnabb did was horrendous. he has played with A BROKEN ANKLE before, and bruised ribs took him out of THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. that was sickening. his team went to war for him and he left em in the fourth quarter. i had respect for him, but that is inexcuseable. look at mcnair, he sure as hell wouldn't have left the game, or any qb for that matter. his injury made have been nagging him, but it wasnt that bad. going tinto halftime he jogged off the field, and terry bradshaw said that if it was serious, there was no way he'd be jogging. so somethings up. all downhill from here for the eagles, and mcnabb is garbage. no sympathy, as they are over rated, especially mcnabb, who couldnt pull through when they needed him
bobajoe, i think the fans should be ashamed. they have been here three years now, with solid teams and they cant move ondue to their own uneven play. look at mcnabbs stats in the three games, 1td and i think 6 int's. they dont belong in anymore championship games, and the fans expected nothing less than a sb appearance. horrible disappintment, as they will lose players, and they are not getting any better, while other nfc teams like dallas, atlanta, washington, tb, gb, sf, seattle, minnesota and maybe even the bears and saints will leapfrog them.
strider, my raider fan bud, its no curse. its inconsistency and belkieving in your own overrated hype. looks like limbaugh may have been right, and it would probably be recognised as so if he didnt add that ignorant comment about race.

i really hope panthers win, as i HATE the patriots as a raiders fan. i actually think the panthers will win, as they have a great d, and the offense will open it up. patriots luck runs out feb 1, as panthers will beat em.

WWWWHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Dude, you spoke my mind. I can hope for a Panther win, but...