DAY OF THE DEAD was ruined

[Brett Talley]

I bought this so called "classic" and I was dissappointed with it only for one reason...........THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe they put rock guitars to a zombie movie..the movie was pretty good but the music really made it terrible..I was so pissed off, is the music in DAWN OF THE DEAD like that too? That dvd comes out in march and I'm debating buying it or not based on the DAY purchase. Does anyone else agree with me about the music?? I can't express how bad it was..it's a horror movie not a freakin comedy that deserves corny ass music.....

[Romero&Juliet]

Dude.. Stay away from Return Of The Living Dead, Zombie Nightmare, Demons series and Dawn: Zombi, then....

They all have VERY rocky horror soundtracks!

[Cronos]

I loved the soundtrack and thought it went very well with the film, but i love a good horror film that contains a heavy rock soundtrack

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by Cronos
I loved the soundtrack and thought it went very well with the film, but i love a good horror film that contains a heavy rock soundtrack But it wasn't a heavy rock soundtrack, thats the the thing. It was a very corny 80's soundtrack. I t sound like the score belonged in a Police Academy movie. I just don't understand why they put that shit in a HORROR movie, the score is vital ina horror movie, look at Halloween or Alien....

[pyscho dude]

I completely dissagree. I felt the score was amazing and really elevated the film to a higher level. The score is one of the best things in this film. You might not like the Dawn score as well but I loved that score as well.

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
I completely dissagree. I felt the score was amazing and really elevated the film to a higher level. The score is one of the best things in this film. You might not like the Dawn score as well but I loved that score as well. I just don't think of metal guitar solo's when I see a zombie movie..at least make it heavy ass music..i mean the real heavy shit..not that corny winger music type shit..just my opinion...the movie was decent though

[countchocula]

The score might not have been breathtaking, but how did it blight the entire film? That's one aspect of Day of the Dead out of...well, a lot. You won't take kindly to Dawn's disco score, I'm assuming.

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by countchocula
The score might not have been breathtaking, but how did it blight the entire film? That's one aspect of Day of the Dead out of...well, a lot. You won't take kindly to Dawn's disco score, I'm assuming. Once again, it is a horror film..not a RAMBO movie..the movie would have worked better for me if I wasn't sitting there saying how corny the music was..go back and watch the thing, how can you tell me that the music was good?

[skweemkween]

Uh....lemme guess, you're kinda young, aren't ya? And by that I mean "not exposed to music as a whole encompassing eras of bygone ages." Because if that was Winger- I should be wearing a mullet.

[XpatrickX]

the music didn't ruin it for me...but every other part of the movie did ;)

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by skweemkween
Uh....lemme guess, you're kinda young, aren't ya? And by that I mean "not exposed to music as a whole encompassing eras of bygone ages." Because if that was Winger- I should be wearing a mullet. Actually, I'm 23 and have a Bachelors Degree in Audio Engineering. I live and breath music other than movies..I know music and I know that the music in that movie sucked....my age has nothing to do with it.

[Brett Talley]

The Dawn of the Dead remake trailer looks better than this movie was....

[CrazyKillah]

Day of the Dead = Kick ass zombie romp with cheesy-ass 80s guitar score. Don't try to defend it, my fellow Schmoes, it sucks the big one no matter how great the rest of the movie is :D

[Cronos]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
But it wasn't a heavy rock soundtrack, thats the the thing. It was a very corny 80's soundtrack. I t sound like the score belonged in a Police Academy movie. I just don't understand why they put that shit in a HORROR movie, the score is vital ina horror movie, look at Halloween or Alien....

anyway, i thought it was an excellent soundtrack and a films score is not always vital in a horror film IMO

[spacemonkey]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
I live and breath music other than movies..I know music and I know that the music in that movie sucked....my age has nothing to do with it.

Then stay away from Fulcis Zombie it has music that you would not normally relate to zombie films. I guess it has a lot to do with the time the film was made. If its 80s, youll defeneatly find some cheesy sounding music in there.

But I think Rock guitars can be used in zombie films in an effective way. Example: Resident Evil, that was a kick ass rock soundtrack done by non other then Marilyn Manson himself. And I think that score really helped some scenes in the movie be more intense.

That being said, I dont think Day of the Deads score ruined it, I actually liked it. Considering the time in wich it was made.

[Jason13thh]

I am very rock and roll so I don't care if we have rock music with this kind of movie.
I really like the agresive score from The Goblins in Sleepless, very cool music.

[skweemkween]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
Actually, I'm 23 ...

Actually, that's still very young.

[pyscho dude]

The reason why I liked the Day score so much was that it wasn't the typical horror score. It wasn't the type of score you'd expect from a horror film. I think the music enhanced the visuals and helped make the movie awesome. Also you have to take in consideration that the score was just done by one guy with a couple of instruments and a synthesizer all by himself. It wasn't a full orchestra filled with dozens of musicians. Also just because the music for a movie sucks doesn't mean it would ruin the whole movie. I mean Arrow wasn't too fond of the music in Event Horizon but he still gave that film a high score.

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by skweemkween
Actually, that's still very young. it depends it how old you are I guess.... :)

[spacemonkey]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
it depends it how old you are I guess.... :)

I could take this opportunity and make a joke about skweems age but I wont. :D

Umm yeah back on the subject, movies with similar soundtracks:

Demons
Demons 2
Zombie
House by the Cemetary
The Beyond

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by spacemonkey
I could take this opportunity and make a joke about skweems age but I wont. :D

Umm yeah back on the subject, movies with similar soundtracks:

Demons
Demons 2
Zombie
House by the Cemetary
The Beyond Thanks for the heads up..looks like I'll just be RENTING Dawn of the Dead in Blockbuster

[ofmknockoff]

I live for cheesy synth soundtracks. Sure Romero should have used Goblin but Harrison did a pretty good job.

[skweemkween]

Originally posted by spacemonkey
I could take this opportunity and make a joke about skweems age but I wont. :D



D'Oh!

And Talley, the reason I was asking your age was just that your complaint, although understandable, kinda sorta came off a bit like a whiny cheerleading mall rat- no offence. It appears clearly that is not an accurate profile of you, but it just had this unappreciative, teenybopper ,"everything old sucks" vibe to it. So it gave an impression that you were possibly not in the adult category. That's all.

[Elgyn]

I actually kinda like the score in "Day"!
The composer, George Harrison, also did an amazing score for "Creepshow".

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by skweemkween
D'Oh!

And Talley, the reason I was asking your age was just that your complaint, although understandable, kinda sorta came off a bit like a whiny cheerleading mall rat- no offence. It appears clearly that is not an accurate profile of you, but it just had this unappreciative, teenybopper ,"everything old sucks" vibe to it. So it gave an impression that you were possibly not in the adult category. That's all. Look Skweem, I think all the new horror movies suck ass....I love the old movies a hell of a lot better..they don't make horror movies like they used to..but look at the music for The Exorcist, Amityville Horror, Jaws, Alien, Halloween (which added big time to the film), TCM....it was fucking freaky ass music....so I was expecting that form the from DAY. The only recent horror movies that I sat there and said OKAY, THAT WAS GOOD was May, Dog Soldiers, Cabin Fever, and I actually thought the TCM remake wasn't bad. But I hate all these teenybopper fucking pieces of shit like Scream, I Know What You Did..and VALENTINE's DAY, you know the rest of the shit that's been out...I wish they would return to making serious fucking horror movies like back in the day. There were some top directors back in the day making Horror movies like Freidken, Depalma, Carpenter, Argento.....I want a return of quality horror. I didn't say that DAY was bad but the music just didn't do it for me and that's my opinion. I don't think I came off like a "fucking cheerleader" since I wish all cheerleaders would die anyway. People put their opinions here whether they are good or bad and people should respect that. But anyway, sorry I put this stupid thread and pissed off people. My point is this. HORROR MOVIE=HORROR SCORE.

[C-Desecration-]

kinda sorta came off a bit like a whiny cheerleading mall rat- no offence

Oh come on skweem, brett acts NOTHING like me!

And brett, for what its worth I completely agree about the music.
That was actually one of my only gripes with the film (my review at http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=63044)

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by C-Desecration-
Oh come on skweem, brett acts NOTHING like me!

And brett, for what its worth I completely agree about the music.
That was actually one of my only gripes with the film (my review at http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=63044) thank you for the support. At least some one agrees with me. I thought your review of DAY was dead on. No pun intended.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
thank you for the support. At least some one agrees with me. I thought your review of DAY was dead on. No pun intended.

Not only do I agree with you, but since you have the DVD listen to the commentary track done by Roger Avary. In the opening scene he states that "The only thing that I really didn't like about this movie was the music. It was awful." (paraphrase)

It is awful, and I couldn't stand it. Especially the guitar solos during some of the chase sequences that DID sort of give off that Ramboish effect.

However, in comparing Rambo, one must also remember that there was major military conflict in this movie. The film was to be a social metaphor on sort of the cold war and a few other "Military Vs. Science" issues at the time. You've got soldiers running around with M-16's, and George must've felt comfortable with the music, and the price for it.

As for Dawn's music, sometimes the score comes off GREAT, and other times it's a complete MISS. I think at a few points during the film it felt like George got some of the scores from a local circus or carnival.

If you recall the scene in which Dr. Logan shouts at the zombie and turns the lights out on him telling him "That wasn't very nice you know!", listen closely. The three second quip that you hear is actually the basic "Mall theme song" from the original Dawn of the Dead.

[pyscho dude]

Actually Elgyn his name is John Harrison not George Harrison. The music in Dawn and Day has always been a subject of debate in the films. There's some people who find the scores great and complimentary to the visuals and there's the people who find it goofy and out of place.

[skweemkween]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
Look Skweem, I think all the new horror movies suck ass....I love the old movies a hell of a lot better..they don't make horror movies like they used to..but look at the music for The Exorcist, Amityville Horror, Jaws, Alien, Halloween (which added big time to the film), TCM....it was fucking freaky ass music....so I was expecting that form the from DAY. The only recent horror movies that I sat there and said OKAY, THAT WAS GOOD was May, Dog Soldiers, Cabin Fever, and I actually thought the TCM remake wasn't bad. But I hate all these teenybopper fucking pieces of shit like Scream, I Know What You Did..and VALENTINE's DAY, you know the rest of the shit that's been out...I wish they would return to making serious fucking horror movies like back in the day. There were some top directors back in the day making Horror movies like Freidken, Depalma, Carpenter, Argento.....I want a return of quality horror. I didn't say that DAY was bad but the music just didn't do it for me and that's my opinion. I don't think I came off like a "fucking cheerleader" since I wish all cheerleaders would die anyway. People put their opinions here whether they are good or bad and people should respect that. But anyway, sorry I put this stupid thread and pissed off people. My point is this. HORROR MOVIE=HORROR SCORE.


Wow. Glad to see someone else has a tough menstrual cycle ,too.


I rest my case.


And C-Des : Touche. You rock.*smooch*

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by skweemkween
Wow. Glad to see someone else has a tough menstrual cycle ,too.


I rest my case.


And C-Des : Touche. You rock.*smooch* You haven't seen anything yet...bring on the tampons..the music still sucks...I take it that you enjoy the teenybopper cheap no talent films? An insult to even call them films, should be put into the category of afterbirth....you obviously know more than I..

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
Actually Elgyn his name is John Harrison not George Harrison.

WHOOPS! My bad!

[Brett Talley]

let us be bonded here.....we are all fans :)

[skweemkween]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
You haven't seen anything yet...bring on the tampons..the music still sucks...I take it that you enjoy the teenybopper cheap no talent films? An insult to even call them films, should be put into the category of afterbirth....you obviously know more than I..



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[HorrorIsMyGod]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
You haven't seen anything yet...bring on the tampons..the music still sucks...I take it that you enjoy the teenybopper cheap no talent films? An insult to even call them films, should be put into the category of afterbirth....you obviously know more than I..

Ouch! A tad bit cranky are we? I agree most new releases nowadays don't live up, But there are a select few that sure do!

Originally posted by skweemkween
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Now your just stiring the pot! :p





...Lemme help! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :D

[C-Desecration-]

Don't worry guys, I'm going to set things right with the schmoe universe.

*cue Superman music"

I approve of abortions.
God doesn't exist (at least in the form that we think).
Slashers are just fine.
Our president is the spitting image of Mr. Wilson (from dennis the menace).
Naturally stupid people - like me - are called on said stupidity, while the mentally disabled are given awards. :rolleyes:
Teeneybopper actors/actresses can act (most of them).
Dawn of the Dead was awful.
Hollywood isn't Satan in disguise.
The death penalty is ridiculous (if you want them to suffer how about a life in prison? Sheesh . . .).
This 'war against terror' needs to be killed before America alienates itself from the world.
Depressed people need to stop complaining.
Happy people need to stop smiling.
Everyone should just shut up.


Whew . . . all right, is everyone's negetive attention distracted from brett? It is? Good.

*flies off into the sunset*

[pyscho dude]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by C-Desecration-
Don't worry guys, I'm going to set things right with the schmoe universe.

*cue Superman music"

I approve of abortions.
God doesn't exist (at least in the form that we think).
Slashers are just fine.
Our president is the spitting image of Mr. Wilson (from dennis the menace).
Naturally stupid people - like me - are called on said stupidity, while the mentally disabled are given awards. :rolleyes:
Teeneybopper actors/actresses can act (most of them).
Dawn of the Dead was awful.
Hollywood isn't Satan in disguise.
The death penalty is ridiculous (if you want them to suffer how about a life in prison? Sheesh . . .).
This 'war against terror' needs to be killed before America alienates itself from the world.
Depressed people need to stop complaining.
Happy people need to stop smiling.
Everyone should just shut up.


Whew . . . all right, is everyone's negetive attention distracted from brett? It is? Good.

*flies off into the sunset* you are my hero........hey skweem, lighten up squirt, it's just a fucking movie....

[Brett Talley]

Look, I apologize to anyone who has been offended here. I'm just stating that I think the music in the movie was bad. Now can we please all get along for christ sake?

[C-Desecration-]

Here's an on-topic q':

If anyone here's old enough to've been watching and loving Day when it was first released in theaters, how was the music considered at that time? Did it fit in with the 'trends' (like punk music in a teen's movie nowadays) or did everyone kind of raise their eyebrows to it (like if, nowadays, they used a steamy sex-song in, say, Homeward bound X)?

Is Day just suffering from a few decades of fad-lag, or was the music always an oddity?

[KillerKlown]

I like the music in Day Of The Dead, but everyone's tastes in music are different. I'm sure some of you would shit your pants in horror if you saw my vinyl collection! ;)


"Bring on the Tampons" - Quality! :D

[pyscho dude]

Well you all have to consider that this film was back in the 80's and back then this kind of score was normal for a horror movie. Well look on the bright side... at least it wasn't filled with rap music.

[skweemkween]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
hey skweem, lighten up squirt, it's just a fucking movie....

oh my god, if that isn't the pot , calling the kettle Noir.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
Well you all have to consider that this film was back in the 80's and back then this kind of score was normal for a horror movie. Well look on the bright side... at least it wasn't filled with rap music.

Not quite Mr. Dude.

1985 was the year Day came out... the exact same year as the highly appointed Spielberg/Zemeckis film "Back to the future", which had an outstanding score, even if you discredit Huey Lewis & The News, and Marty's rendition of "Johnny B. Goode".

The Act 3 "Elixir", which involves the perpetual overflowing of zombies has a background score which comes off to me as "revolting at best". The electric guitar solo along with that entire song just really took off any kind of edge, or horrifying moment that could have been served at that time.

Fans like me tolerate it, fans such as yourself can get into it better. That's just a "to each their own" kind of thing. Non-Fans are most likely to find it horrible, or as saucy as imitation cheese.

What could be written off though, is George's limited budget. Most seem to know that this was a much watered down version of his intended film, and many things had to be cut back. However, if I had to choose between a decent score, or the last 20 minutes of the mise-en-scene... I'd go with the latter.

When someone is getting ripped apart screaming, you tend to put most focus on that... Until it breaks sequence and you see the zombies coming forward, giving that sort of quasi-mental pause in the film, letting the score sink in... and then you begin to sigh again.

And then someone gets ripped open again, and all is well.

Good times.

[poopontheshoes7]

I really hate this flick. It was so corny I was laughing ass off. The acting was dreadfull, the efdfects wernt to bad, the gore preety good. But what ruined it for me was the damn good guy zombie! How Fucking lame! My head nearly hit the ground when he suluted the soldier, thats what ruined it for me. It would have been decent accept for that fucking zombie. And the faces he made sometime were enough to make laugh your ass off.

Horrible!! 4/10

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by poopontheshoes7
I really hate this flick. It was so corny I was laughing ass off. The acting was dreadfull, the efdfects wernt to bad, the gore preety good. But what ruined it for me was the damn good guy zombie! How Fucking lame! My head nearly hit the ground when he suluted the soldier, thats what ruined it for me. It would have been decent accept for that fucking zombie. And the faces he made sometime were enough to make laugh your ass off.

Horrible!! 4/10 I totally agree with this post! Thank you my fellow schmoe........thank you

[wilykily]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
Well you all have to consider that this film was back in the 80's and back then this kind of score was normal for a horror movie. Well look on the bright side... at least it wasn't filled with rap music.

Very well said
and this movie is awesome you have to watch it a couple times to get to like it the first time I watched it I didn't like it much either but the second and third times I liked it a lot more 7/10

George Romaro's original script was amazing I wish they could have filmed that version it would have been one of the best movies of all time.

[pyscho dude]

Yeah the thing with this movie is that when people first saw it they were quite dissapointed but it was years later that when people rewatched it that people started really appreciating it.

[The Arrow]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
But anyway, sorry I put this stupid thread and pissed off people. My point is this. HORROR MOVIE=HORROR SCORE.

Don't be sorry dude, you think the music sucks, it sucks, its your opinion and its as valid as anyone else's here. One man's steak is another's pile of shit.

Arrow

[The Arrow]

Originally posted by skweemkween
D'Oh!

And Talley, the reason I was asking your age was just that your complaint, although understandable, kinda sorta came off a bit like a whiny cheerleading mall rat- no offence.

His complaint sounded mature and valid to me. It was a rant! Degrading his rant or the way it "sounded" is not what these boards are about. We're here to talk horror movies, sure dissagree and debate all you want (that's what the boards are for) but do it with respect please.

Thank you

Arrow

[The Arrow]

....and...this is not a review of the film...it belongs in Past Horror...moving--- :)

[skweemkween]

Originally posted by The Arrow
Degrading his rant or the way it "sounded" is not what these boards are about. We're here to talk horror movies, sure dissagree and debate all you want (that's what the boards are for) but do it with respect please.

Thank you

Arrow

No degrading his rant would have meant not saying that I meant "no offence." Degrading his rant would have meant not saying " although understandable."Dregrading his rant would have meant not saying, "it appears that that (the way rant initially came off)is not an accurate picture of you." Degrading his rant would have, point blank, called him immature and leaving out off the exceptions I made. How something sounds due to the choosing of one's words is up for anyone's interpretation and can therefore be taken in many ways. Interpretation - as you are well aware of - is lucid based on the fact that no one can hear the intonation of one's voice because they are on a computer. It does not degrade their complaint. ya got it?

[The Arrow]

Originally posted by skweemkween
No degrading his rant would have meant not saying that I meant "no offence." Degrading his rant would have meant not saying " although understandable."Dregrading his rant would have meant not saying, "it appears that that (the way rant initially came off)is not an accurate picture of you." Degrading his rant would have, point blank, called him immature and leaving out off the exceptions I made. How something sounds due to the choosing of one's words is up for anyone's interpretation and can therefore be taken in many ways. Interpretation - as you are well aware of - is lucid based on the fact that no one can hear the intonation of one's voice because they are on a computer. It does not degrade their complaint. ya got it?

We're here to debate or deconstruct horror films, not the "feel" of our posts.

This quote: "your complaint, although understandable, kinda sorta came off a bit like a whiny cheerleading mall rat- no offence"

IS OUT OF LINE no matter the tonality or the amount of "safety net" words injected in the sentence.

If you want to talk with me some more about this do it via e-mail at arrow@joblo.com

Continue on with the horror talk guys!

Thank you

Arrow

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think the score for Day is great , one of the best in any horror film .

It's at times , foreboding , unsettling , whimsical , tense , but with just the right amount of hope in every note , and that's what the film was about in the end , the hope of a new day in the face of death .


I disagree that it resembled the music that was found in other horror films of that time period , till this day it's a unique standout . If any horror fan heard a couple of seconds of the main theme , they would probably know what it is right away , it's a memorable piece .

[wilykily]

Originally posted by The Arrow
Don't be sorry dude, you think the music sucks, it sucks, its your opinion and its as valid as anyone else's here. One man's steak is another's pile of shit.

Arrow


Well said (wow those are words to live by writing them down now)

[wilykily]

sorry double posted

[EvilDeadGirl]

I agree with DD. I loved the score for Day of the Dead in fact that's what made the movie for me! Fun times!

Posted originally by: Brett Talley - "The Dawn of the Dead remake trailer looks better than this movie was...."

Now since you didn't like the music in Day because of the rock and guitars in it I don't think you'll like the remake of Dawn very much either becaues I'm pretty sure that its going to have the same feel except with more "modern" music. The trailer pretty much screamed it IMO.

[DawnOfTheDead]

I love the DAY soundtrack, I own it... but I do know what you're saying, there is one scene towards the end with a really cheesy guitar solo type thing that is pretty off putting and badly placed...

[Brett Talley]

I give up. The music was great. I loved every note. Peace out and thank you Arrow for help.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
I give up. The music was great. I loved every note.


Now THAT`S the spirit!
If you don`t agree with the majority, then you`re wrong.
I mean, you and I ARE Americans, right?

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Just jokin` folks, hope I didn`t seriously piss anyone off!]

[EvilDeadGirl]

Look Brett, wasn't trying to give you a hard time jes' stating what I read and saw and thought. Jes' cause everyone isn't on your side doesn't mean you should keep your mouth shut. Hell I love one of probably the worst movies out there and I stick by it.

What you like is your opinion and voice it if you feel the need to. However be prepared to have those that love a certain film or aspects of it defend it. <3

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by EvilDeadGirl
Look Brett, wasn't trying to give you a hard time jes' stating what I read and saw and thought. Jes' cause everyone isn't on your side doesn't mean you should keep your mouth shut. Hell I love one of probably the worst movies out there and I stick by it.

What you like is your opinion and voice it if you feel the need to. However be prepared to have those that love a certain film or aspects of it defend it. <3 I know this but I didn't personally offend anyone like some other schmoes here but whatever, I'm a happy guy.

[pyscho dude]

I knew all that peer pressure and brain washing would change Brett's mind. Just kidding but hey if you hate it you hate it and although I liked the score I'm not gonna bug you about it.

[EvilDeadGirl]

psycho dude may not bug you but I will...

Bug bug bug bug bug bug bug bug :)

[wilykily]

Originally posted by Brett Talley
I know this but I didn't personally offend anyone like some other schmoes here but whatever, I'm a happy guy.

Hey dude some people are very sarcastic on this board I'm sure they didn't personally offend you, I'm on your side the music sucks by today's standerds, but in the 80's that was the norm

[KillerKlown]

How about we put this one to the vote?

Here (http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71820) is a link to a poll.

[countchocula]

I can't believe that Day of the Dead's score has sparked such a heated debate. There are so many aspects of a film. You can abhor the tacky soundtrack, but did it really debase the whole package?

[sharkstank]

i recently saw day of the dead when i bought the dvd, and the music is awful. i especially enjoy the music used in the opening nenu.

WWWWHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[thebloodfeaster]

The score didn't really move me one way or the other. What kind of brought the film down for me was that the military guy was such a stereotypical "evil army dude" and not realistic at all. It had too much of a military people are stupid and wicked vibe to it. Now I'm not a big fan of the military myself, but it came off as too cliched and dishonest here. Other than that I thought it was a great movie though.

[jagged halo]

For me Day Of The Dead is one of the best zombie flicks out there, the music I've never payed to much attention to because the movie is just to engrossing, sure music definitely adds to the feel of a movie can even carry a movie, DAY doesn't need it.

A great cast, excellent FX (thanks again Tom!) and a cool twist to the original zombie story.....

Maybe Brett is paying to much attention to the music and missing the point, that being, sit down chill out and watch 90minutes of puke inducing gore!, this film doesn't ask for anything less.

[pyscho dude]

Well lets all look on the bright side... at least the movie wasn't filled with a bunch of shitty rap and country music.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by sharkstank
i recently saw day of the dead when i bought the dvd, and the music is awful. i especially enjoy the music used in the opening nenu.

WWWWHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yeah, where the hell did they get that music, anyway?
It`s not from the movie, at least not that I remember.

[KillerKlown]

It's a more jumped up & altered version of the opening credits.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by KillerKlown
It's a more jumped up & altered version of the opening credits.

Really? Hmm. I`ll have to pay closer attention next time. I didn`t recognize it at all.
I actually like the music played during the opening credits (when the people are searching the city for survivors).

Gorillaz has a big sample from that music in one of their songs (it even has the guy screaming "HELLOOOOO?????").

[KillerKlown]

Originally posted by Elgyn
Gorillaz has a big sample from that music in one of their songs (it even has the guy screaming "HELLOOOOO?????").


Yeah, I've got their album and I pissed myself laughing the first time I heard M1 A1.

[Dark_One79]

I'm not trying to link this observation to this thread only (so forgive me if it doesn't all apply here) - but what is with this attitude of posting a negative comment, then reacting angrily when others try to argue the opposite point of view. I guess I'm saying that if you believe so strongly in something that you are willing to create a thread to bash it, don't back down and sarcastically admit you were wrong when 97% of the responses argue against your viewpoint.

You hated the score to Day of the Dead. Okay.... thats.... cool. I really don't care. But with that said, my advice would be to stand your ground. If you are so willing to bend... then why start the topic?

Just my .02.

[blacksnake]

Day Of The Dead, is the third and so far final film in the Night Of The Living Dead trilogy (with the first two films being Night Of The Living Dead, and then Dawn Of The Dead). The film is set in Florida, where zombies have basically taken over the world. The survivors take shelter in an underground base. The main character is Sarah, who is a scientist trying to reverse the zombie process and turn them back into rational people. Also down there is Dr. Logan, who is trying to train a zombie into becoming normal again and plans to make zombie servants. Things become complicated and violent when the military takes over the base. Winner of The Saturn Award for Best Make Up at The Academy Of Science Fiction, Fantasy And Horror Films and The Caixa de Catalunya Award for Best Actress (Lori Cardille, who plays Sarah) at The Catalonian International Film Festival. Day Of The Dead, has good direction, good performances from everybody involved, good original music, good film editing, good set decoration and good special makeup effects. Day Of The Dead, starts off pretty slow with just a lot of arguing and some interesting scenes with the doctors trying to train the zombies but the action doesn't really begin till the last fifteen or twenty minutes of the film. I didn't like this film nearly as much as Night Of The Living Dead, or Dawn Of The Dead, which are both masterpieces but this is fun brainless entertainment. Day Of The Dead, was the lowest grossing film in the zombie trilogy and most people considered it their least favourite for the same reasons I mentioned above but director George A. Romero considers it his favourite film. Maybe, I just didn't entirely get what he was trying to say with the film. Nevertheless it was fun and had some good gore scenes.

[dellamorte dellamore]

A couple of things i think the film was trying to say .


If the world's population had taken the epidemic seriously from the very beggining , instead of arguing with one another , it wouldn'thave gotten out of control .


Learning to cooperate , even with people you disagree with , could have prevented the apocalypse .


Force , violence , and the intelligent , discriminating use of firepower would have been a highly effective deterrent to the spread of the virus at the very beginning of the crisis , now in full chaos mode , it's simply not an option anymore , there are simply just too many of the undead roaming around to take them all out with firearms or force .


Since firearms are no longer an effective weapon , only as a defensive measure , no longer offensive , understanding the undead's motivation , and domesticating them maybe the only hope for a revived civilation .


Science and the military can be a potent combination , if only they can coexistent somehow . A combo of brains and research , with brute force is better than only one of those aspects dominating decisions when it comes to survival .


When selfishness rules , everyone suffers . Everyone has their own agenda , and that's allright , unless you find yourself in an apocalyptic , life threatening situation , then the good of the group should take precedence , if it doesn't it can only mean disaster .

Fascists dictators with a lust for power will ultimately seal their own fate , and the fate of people who bend to their will . If their demanding nature is not resisted , their omnipotent fantasies will destroy any chance of survival .

The military / law enforcement can play a vital role in the safety of the civilian poulation , but not if they consider themselves the supreme authority , then it's just a police state , and then the eventual rebellion will commence , and nobody wins .


Emotions are a liabilty in life threatening situations , especially in an apocalyptic scenario .


Now , keep in mind , these comments are strictly in reference to the events in Day of the Dead , and the events in the two films ( Night and Dawn ) that led up to the predicament that the survivors find themselves in .

There's def much more subtext and messages to be found in Day ,and the series as a whole , i wanted to throw out a couple of things that strike me when i think about Day . I think it's somewhat shortsighted to say it's only brainless / mindless enterttainment , this is an intelligent horror film about a world in total chaos , a world that has just about come to an end . It's a well thought out meditation on how a few remaining survivors deal with a seemingly hopeless situation . Dawn only hinted at this , and the narrative was more optimistic because the plague had not spread so far as to destroy entire countries . There was still some hope that civilisation would be saved and recover from the pandemic . In Day , there was no hint of any other life , it really was hell on earth ( maybe in the original shooting script there was other signs of life , but i'm only talking about what was actually filmed ) .

[Brett Talley]

Originally posted by Dark_One79
I'm not trying to link this observation to this thread only (so forgive me if it doesn't all apply here) - but what is with this attitude of posting a negative comment, then reacting angrily when others try to argue the opposite point of view. I guess I'm saying that if you believe so strongly in something that you are willing to create a thread to bash it, don't back down and sarcastically admit you were wrong when 97% of the responses argue against your viewpoint.

You hated the score to Day of the Dead. Okay.... thats.... cool. I really don't care. But with that said, my advice would be to stand your ground. If you are so willing to bend... then why start the topic?

Just my .02. When the opinions of others to my opinion start to become personal insults on me, I take offense and stand my ground. Don't you agree? Why should I start getting attacked personally? But whatever...who really gives a fuck.... and the music still really fucking sucks....

[TheDeadWalk]

Double D -

One of my problems with Day, was that they were actually considering that training the zombies was a feasible approach. It was not. 400,000 to 1 calculations in a zombie-human ratio, there was no way in their lifetimes that they could even domesticate half of that number. The teaching, and countless hours of training weren't nearly as useful as to trying to find alternative methods of force. The man/brain power it took to domesticate Bub was harsh, let alone when you start to try to domesticate more of them. And as we remember, even Dr. Logan had a few zombies that he couldn't control, and had to "be destroyed" for being unruly.

But even a zombie, who is a former shell of a human, if not just an alterior version of a human, is bound to have its own flaws in its system, much like humans. I can train my dog for years, but he still may try to take a bite out of the mail man.

Logan was much like the military men, only his ignorance kept him from listening, rather than just responding with insults, shouts, and idle threats. I opted for the military men moreso than the scientists, because the scientists didn't know what the fuck they were doing, they were scattered in their own thoughts of what was happening, and not attempting any reasonable solution.

We can't shoot them all!

Then what can we do, Einstein?

Train them!

:rolleyes:

[the dead one]

NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD
Lets take it from the top, It began! The unburied dead for reasons unknown, return to life and attack the living for nourishment. What do we do? Society is at a complete loss; think about it... when a crisis hits society so hard and fast there isn’t any time to think. (Look at what Happened on Sept,11th 2001) It’s not like there was anytime to do so! Like the radio announcer said, “it seems like a general explosion of mass homicide”! Terror is every where...

DAWN OF THE DEAD
The situation is worse…total chaos is at hand at this stage of the game! The military and the government don’t have an answer. People are to left to their own devices, to do what it takes to survive. Society as we know it is disintegrating at an accelerated rate! Peter said it best “Look suckers were thieves and were bad guys, that’s exactly what we are…we gotta’ find our own way”. That pretty much sums up the situation at hand...

DAY OF THE DEAD
Now things have gone from worse to completely hopeless. Nothing is left but devastation and it is bleak!
We are focused on a small band of scientists and the Military, who are at odds with each other. One can’t help but to remember the phrase…cant we all just get along? Obviously not! The dead walk! A new order…a new society has over run us. Sara disagrees with Dr. Logan, wondering what he hopes to accomplish. Capt. Rhodes and his men just want to “Blow the piss out of the zombies”!! Then John the Helicopter Pilot (My favorite character in the film, besides Bub!) disagrees with both sides all together. His take on the situation makes the most sense to me…all this filing and record keeping, who’s ever gonna give a shit? It is a waste of time…and time is all we have left! Very profound words indeed, in other words let the ghosts of human history stay buried and move on!! When you look at what Logan was trying to accomplish with his star pupil “Bub”. It doesn’t seem too insane considering that in the end he was right! Look at Howard Sherman’s portrayal of the character, there was still a spark of what we called civilized behavior. <Remember Romero’s original screenplay- trained zombies called the Red Coats, used to seek out and destroy other zombies> Bub did react with anger and sadness when he discovered Logan dead! Then He went after Rhodes... with a vengence!! The whole thing in a nut shell... Romero gives all of us something to think about!!
Who’s right and who’s wrong? That depends on your point of view.

I think the soundtrack to all of the dead films were solid!!

I'd just like to add, dellamorte dellamore I admire your keen observations. You're wise beyond your years...really!

Chao:cool:

[TheDeadWalk]

Was Logan right? Perhaps. But his solution to train I felt was just as good as the solution to "blow the piss out of em!"

Just not enough ammunition to ever 'take care' of them all.

[the dead one]

that and the fact that the human race is out numbered. Too many of the undead are out there... every where. But having a HELL of allot of amunition would certainly help! I think every one hear has thought about that kind of shit. What it would be like to deal with such a situation! The FIRST thing that comes to mind, get a FUCKING shit load of weapons! Then blow the piss out of THEM!!

[TheDeadWalk]

Haha totally.

Or seeing that they were in Florida, they could take a page out of Tyler Durden's book and create Napalm from orange juice concentrate! :D

[dellamorte dellamore]

I'd just like to add, dellamorte dellamore I admire your keen observations. You're wise beyond your years...really!

Chao:cool: [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually , i'm afflicted with arrested development , and my emotional growth has been stunted from too many horror films , in addition to the constant daydreams of a world overrun by the undead :) . But , thanks for the compliment anyway , even if i have a hard time believing it .

Yeah , i think Logan's idea of domestication would have made more sense if the original script had been filmed , we didn't get the full story on how exactly he saw this as a viable option to all out force , so instead he comes across as an off kilter idealist out of touch with reality .

And , i think i know why some people didn't pay any mind to John's idea about finding an Island and lounging out for the rest of the days . They still had hope the society they once knew could be salvaged , they still believed there were other survivors that they could start over with again . Going to an island and forgetting about other potential survivors would be akin to giving up , admitting it's all over , for good , some of them just didn't want to accept the possibility that maybe they really are the only ones left , the belief and hope is what kept them going . The island was The last resort .

[pyscho dude]

Destroying the zomibes is actually a good idea. The only problem is that no matter how many zombies they kill as long as the radiation from the venus probe remains any recently dead body who's brain isn't destroyed will be ressurected.

[the dead one]

Ah remember dude, Romero has said many times that the Venus Probe thing was just his way of being Divisive. It was never to mean that the probe, was the reason for the dead returning to life. George, wanted it to be more ambiguous. Never having a real defining reason for what was happening! It is one of the things that makes NOTLD so damn scary!

Our fear of the unknown...

[the dead one]

dellamorte dellamore I was being sincere...just wanted to let you know that.:) I believe in giving respect, when it's due.

Later :D

[dellamorte dellamore]

I believe you , still it's all pseudo intellectual musings , but i'll still take the compliment though .


Hey , Levittown Penn. , i grew up in Levittown , but the one on Long Island , NY , that town must be the sequel :) .

[pyscho dude]

It'd be great if the next dead film(If there ever is one) would explain more about the phenomenom of the dead.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I always wanted a zom film to go into a little detail of the physiology of the undead . Day did it , and Dead Next Door , and some others , but they only scratched the surface . They are just there , deal with it .

I want to know about how their senses are affected , the senses of sight and sound , and smell , all that nice stuff .

In Bio Zom , they showed that the undead see in black and white , and mainly sense movement or something .

And i want to know how they can distinguish between the living and the undead , always wondered about that .

[pyscho dude]

Maybe their smell or sight. Who knows?

[dellamorte dellamore]

Spoilers



Sometimes it's obvious , as in D 04 , the scene when they emerge from the sewer . When the sewer cover is put back in place over the hole , it makes a sound , which the zoms immediately hear , evidenced by them turning to look . They can also see pretty good too , so after they turned to see what the sound was , they saw the survivors and began to chase them almost immediately . This was in relative dark also , so those zoms have some sort of enhanced night vision maybe .

[the dead one]

I've never actually considered thinking about that kind of thing.
To have an enhanced ability like to actually see in the dark, that would give them quite an edge over US!!!
That is an interesting observation though... considering that they are dead people recently returned to life, motor function should be affected in some way. It should really be slowed I would think, but then again it's hard to gauge. What is the TRUE reason behind this resurrection of the dead? What ever is the cause of all this, does it in fact inhance ability? Intersting questions to say the least. The causes in every Zombie flick are always different. If I had to face off with the living dead, I would rather it be the old SHOOT em' in the HEAD kind! Easy to KILL!! :D

[TheDeadWalk]

I don't believe that zombies smell, hence the fact that they don't breathe. (Smelling is advanced breathing) Logan's experiment with the zombie with all internal organs removed kinda showed that.

I think it is the vision. A zombie to another zombie gives off no vision; it is bland like other sheets of paper. A human gives off more voluntary action, emotion, shows fear and sticks out like a sore thumb, acting much like that of prey.

When you become a zombie, you become another member of society, different than what you once were. You went from us to "them". I think they realize it.

Why the realize it is unknown, and it raises great debate about the subject of zombies being God's punishment toward humans.

[Maeljin_incarna]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Was Logan right? Perhaps. But his solution to train I felt was just as good as the solution to "blow the piss out of em!"

I believe the two would most feasibly go hand in hand. Consider Bub's military training and how it continued to exist posthumously. Now consider how zombies never look at each other as more than an uninteresting piece of scenery. The perfect assassin for taking down zombies would logically be another zombie.

If they had trained Bub to kill other zombies and then sent him out into the world, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. He would go from one to the next, never needing to sleep or eat, never needing to worry about fellow zombies attacking back. Granted, this process would take extreme lengths of time, but it would be steady progress with little or no risk to the living. And every new trained zombie that was sent out into the world would shorten that amount of time.

I think that Logan's theory of domestication was much more workable (if taken in the right directions) than simple bullets in brains tactics.

[the dead one]

Now we are talking the original intention from Romero's first conception of DAY! Too bad he didnt get the funding for that, the original scope was really huge! The Island setting, the base camp and so on would have been amazing to see.

Logan's theory did have purpose! :cool:

[dellamorte dellamore]

Smell is a function of the brain , so if the brain is the part that enables them to survive , there is a chance that their ability to smell would remain . Maybe that's one of the ways they distinguished between us and them . Like in the film Mimic , the only way the insects could determine between prey and another mutant was through scent / smell . But , it's obvious that they primarily rely on sight to find their victims . How good is that site , that may be an individual thing .

Hey , Incarna , i like the way you explained that , the domestication theory makes more sense now . A couple of trained zoms could wipe out a whole group of rabid zombies without breaking a sweat . You wouldn't really need that many . You could also attach some sort of remote device to control their actions even further .

[pyscho dude]

Sight and sound are definately senses that zombies have. I wander if they can even taste the flesh their eating or maybe it's just like chewing on air to them. And if they can taste then how do humans taste to them?

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think the taste buds are effectively dead , but because of instinct , they always feel the need to munch on something warm and squishy . Could be animal or human flesh . Member in RE , they have a need to feed , one of the most primal instincts , they don't need it too survive , almost as if it's a function of memory .

In times of stress , a person , most of the time , will seek comfort in the form of food , so it makes sense , since a zombie is under constant stress ( the whole ressurection thing ) , their main motivation is eating , not out of any sort of emotion , but because that was one of their emotional support mechanisms while they were still among the living .

[pyscho dude]

I guess so.

[TheDeadWalk]

I happen to believe that there is still emotion and tasting that resides in zombies.

The emotion is very bland, it has to be retaught, but it is still there. That primordial instinct I feel is emotion, just a concrete one. To be angry or react violently as they do is a sort of emotion, or when learned to care, as Bub had for Doctor Logan, they can rediscover more complex emotions.

One funny thing about tasting is that they still appear to salivate, hence Bub again, constantly drooling. It remind's of the experiment of Pavolov's dog who would salivate whenever he would smell meat, and then eventually to the sound of a bell which signified that meat would be served soon. The salivation from the tounge still shows activity there somewhat from the brain, and hence shows to serve a purpose. As for what humans taste like, its always been a safe bet to say that everything tastes like chicken anyways.

As for Romero's original concept about zombies killing zombies...
Yes, but I feel that in essence in the original script they were being taught to use firearms. Bad move. Especially when you talk of scarce bullets. In the original script they constantly missed shots, and fired off the wall shit. Brilliant idea though, but I think they should be taught to use clubs or blunt weapons, for smashing or beheading purposes.