Miramax: Blaming Cold Mountain release date for lack of Best Picture nomination

[SAI]

From BBC News:

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Cold Mountain failed to win a best picture Oscar nomination due to its December release date, movie head Harvey Weinstein has said.
The Miramax Films co-chairman said they "plain ran out of people who had seen the movie" while gathering support from Academy Award voters.

Weinstein's studio is left without a best picture nomination for the first time in 12 years.

But it had the most nominations overall - 15 - for the third year in a row.

The fact that the Oscars will be held in February this year, rather than the traditional March, has changed "the whole positioning of movies", Weinstein said.

Cold Mountain was released at Christmas in the US. Apart from The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, every other best picture nominee was released before December, Weinstein said.

"With the early [Oscar voting] this year, we fell short.

"There's a lot to do for Academy members and I don't know how many members we got to."

As a result he said Miramax would bring forward the release of Neverland starring Johnny Depp to October and Martin Scorsese's The Aviator to November in a bid for 2005 Oscar nominations.

Nevertheless Cold Mountain did win seven Oscar nominations, including best actor for Jude Law and best supporting actress for Renee Zellwegger.
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The release date cost them a nomination? Hahahahahahahaha. Personally I'd say the fact that Cold Mountain was utter fucking rubbish didn't help it. But that's me.

I hate all these tactics, why can't Oscars got to the best films, not the ones that are timed right, or about the right things?

What does everyone else think, do Miramax have a point or are they just whining because they want to be back in the club?

[A.J. Hakari]

As I said when P. Diddy complained his way to getting an award:

Boo-fucking-hoo. :rolleyes:

[blankpage]

That's a pile of bullshit.

Who cares?

They've been nominated for 'Best Picture' 12 straight years!

I'm glad those greedy fucks won't be touching a 'Best Picture' trophy this year.

[syxxpac]

The fact that the Oscars will be held in February this year, rather than the traditional March, has changed "the whole positioning of movies", Weinstein said.

What the fuck does that mean?

[Indy in IN]

Screw Miramax. I'm still pissed Shakespere In Love won over Saving Private Ryan.

[tbone]

Note to Weinstein, actually make your movie good, not just the look of good and you will have a much better chance of being nominated.

[Jedi]

Well, this years's Oscar nominations were, surprisingly, not annoying. Cold Mountain was a very good film but definetly not one of the very best of the year and Miramax should'nt complain because the film's already got 7 nominations (more than the brilliant Mystic River.

It's really hilarious that they're actually "discussing" it and making "statements" about not getting a best picture nod!

[Scarface98.9]

My guess really is that the Academy got really sick of Weinstein, and didn't really feel the need to nominate a movie many have claimed to not be near the best of the year. I'm satisfied with this year's nominees

[Grebdron]

"Come bayack to may."

Good lord, I am SO glad Nicole and the movie didn't get noms.

[wilykily]

It wasn't nominated casue it sucked ass

[mikeyD]

Originally posted by Indy in IN
Screw Miramax. I'm still pissed Shakespere In Love won over Saving Private Ryan.

I couldn't agree more.

[gyro_44]

Excuses, excuses Harvey.

It's refreshing to see Big Harv and Miramax shut down for once. Every year they successfully weasel their way onto voter's ballots because of their insane marketing schemes, even when the movies aren't worthy of nominations (*cough* Chocolat *cough*). COLD MOUNTAIN was a fine film, but IMO not anywhere near Oscar worthy.

Good for Academy members for looking past marketing campaigns and at the quality of the movie. The Oscars are too often political, so this was a refreshing change.

And he's making excuses.... if I were Anthony Minghella, I would be pissed off having him make statements about how his film could have been better.

[TheGodSon]

Maybe because the movie wasn't all that great?

Maybe? is it possible?

[soundbomb81]

Cold Mountain is the biggest pile of dog turd since The English Patient which was by oops the same director.

[Buck Turgidson]

Cold Mountain and Nicole Kidman both being stiffed this year is simply the Academy's Buyer's Remorse for her winning for The Hours last year. They realized, probably about halfway through that inane, mumbling ramble that she came out with in spite of having to know she was a lock for weeks and weeks, that they had fucked up royally. Like Crowe, she's going to have to come across with a transcendently great performance to ever win again.

Harvey and his money bought that award, and a lot of other noms and awards for less-than-spectacular Miramax films over the last few years and last year I think it may have hit critical mass.


In sum: Fuck you, Harvey. Eat another corndog.

[Hannibal21]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
In sum: Fuck you, Harvey. Eat another corndog.

That just about sums it up for me.

[dillhead005]

Cold Mountain was good, but not Oscar material.

[dillhead005]

Originally posted by wilykily
It wasn't nominated casue it sucked ass

Yep basically. By the way is anyone else getting sick of Renee Zelweger. I find her to be anoying and while shes a good actress, she seems sooo fake at awards ceremonies (which shes at constantly since they practically hand her Oscars)

[blankpage]

Originally posted by TheGodSon
Maybe because the movie wasn't all that great?

Maybe? is it possible?


NEVER! The Weinsteins never make films that aren't all that great! It's not even possible...

[Tom Samborski]

Quit being a whiny bitch Harvey, you lost, end of story!

[sharkstank]

i havent seen it yet, but harvey's an ass.
and if the film wasnt seen by enough people, how did it garner all of those nominations? idiot

gotta blame it on something, right

WWWWWHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Lynn Minmei]

Was I the only one here who liked the movie?

It wasn't nominated because the Academy is sick of Miramax, not because it "sucked ass".

[tbone]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
Was I the only one here who liked the movie?

It wasn't nominated because the Academy is sick of Miramax, not because it "sucked ass".

The movie wasn't bad. I'll give it a thumbs up and around 6.5 or 7/10. The movie wasn't nominated because the Academy is tired of Miramax telling them to vote for movies that just good not great. Cold Mountain was a decent movie nowhere close to great.

[Benny]

Oh Shut up Harvey! You only produced 4 of the 5 Best Picture nominations last year you Oscar whore!

Cold Mountain was a good movie, it wasn't great though like Chicago last year.

[A.J. Hakari]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
Was I the only one here who liked the movie?

Nope, I quite enjoyed it too (9/10). I thought the film was fantastic, but I hate the fact that Miramax is kicking and screaming like P. Diddy at the Nobel Prize ceremony that it didn't get more awards. Be happy with what you've got!

[DareDevil]

i am totaly against the majority here i was very dissapointed i would have like to haveseen cold mountain over any movie nominated excluding Mystic River.... i loved the movie 9/10 easily one of the years best!

[DareDevil]

and dont bash p-diddy or I'll go bad boy on your ass


BIG RIP

[urbanlegend23]

Cry me a river, build a bridge and GET OVER IT. Nobody cares that your movie wasn't nominated...go away Miramax.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
Was I the only one here who liked the movie?

It wasn't nominated because the Academy is sick of Miramax, not because it "sucked ass".


I loved it. I thought it was good enough to be a Best Picture nominee. But I do agree, Harvey is a greedy pig.

[Buck Turgidson]

According to the IMDB, they now think Nicole looked "Too glamorous" for the film and it hurt it's credibility.

Denial isn't a pretty thing.

[Arathon]

Harvey just give it up, Cold Mountain wasn't nominated, so what? It ain't the end of the world, so stop sobbing, move on and stop being such a sore loser.

[Tweek]

Isn't Whine-stein a producer on Return of the King?

And isn't ROTK up for Best Picture?



BAH!

[APzombie]

Originally posted by Indy in IN
Screw Miramax. I'm still pissed Shakespere In Love won over Saving Private Ryan.

Amen!

[Nate6]

If he started right now, Weinstein still couldn't waddle down the street fast enough to make it to the Oscars.

Boo-hoo. Poor Harvey. Next time, try letting a film speak for itself instead of whoring it like a Paris Hilton blow-up doll. EVERYONE, including the Academy, is tired of your Oscar-baiting, and THAT'S why it got snubbed.

[Jon Lyrik]

Maybe it's because the Oscars are tired of being lobbied into giving Miramax Oscars.

[Scarface98.9]

Originally posted by Tweek
Isn't Whine-stein a producer on Return of the King?

And isn't ROTK up for Best Picture?


He's a producer in name only. Rings was going to be made at Miramax a couple of years back, but since they doubted it'd end up getting made, they let Jackson take it to any studio they wanted, and if they could convince a studio in that amount of time to take it on, then they could have it. They took it to New Line and the rest is history. As a stipulation, the Weinsteins get 5% of the gross and a producer credit, even though they weren't actively involved in the making of it

[Tommy Doyle]

Originally posted by Nate6
Boo-hoo. Poor Harvey. Next time, try letting a film speak for itself instead of whoring it like a Paris Hilton blow-up doll. EVERYONE, including the Academy, is tired of your Oscar-baiting, and THAT'S why it got snubbed.


Exactly. I'm so sick of him. Okay, some of the pictures in the last twelve years deserved, some were FAR FAR from it. It's his whoring out the movie techniques that people finally got sick of. Geez... let a movie stand on it's own.

And the question was already asked (or stated), but if not enough people saw it, how the fuck did it end up with 7 overall nominations??

Whiner...

[JCR]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
He's a producer in name only. Rings was going to be made at Miramax a couple of years back, but since they doubted it'd end up getting made, they let Jackson take it to any studio they wanted, and if they could convince a studio in that amount of time to take it on, then they could have it. They took it to New Line and the rest is history. As a stipulation, the Weinsteins get 5% of the gross and a producer credit, even though they weren't actively involved in the making of it

Fuck, if I was harvey and I was getting 5% of LOTR's gross I wouldn't give a fuck about what happened to cold mountain. 5% of ROTK's gross alone if probably gonna end up at around the $50 million mark.

[Sad man]

I don't really care. But after reading that, I'm so happy it wasn't nominated.

[kirkman316]

The only reason Cold Mountain didn't get a Best Picture nomination is because they moved the awards up a month, and Weinstein didn't have enough time to brainwash the Academy into thinking it was a great movie.

I guess he'll have to settle for the LOTR nominat...oh, wait, he fucked that one up when he tried to fire Jackson off the project. Good thinkin', Harvey.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by kirkman316
The only reason Cold Mountain didn't get a Best Picture nomination is because they moved the awards up a month, and Weinstein didn't have enough time to brainwash the Academy into thinking it was a great movie.



He didn't have to brainwash them, it's a great movie. People didn't vote for it because he was trying to hard to suck their dicks.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by therealjohng
He didn't have to brainwash them, it's a great movie. People didn't vote for it because he was trying to hard to suck their dicks.

Agreed. The Academy is fed up with Weinstein's antics. This will be the anti-Miramax year.

[moviemuffin]

It didn't get a nomination because it didn't earn one. Renee did, but she was the only worthy element in a failed project.

Anthony Minghella is an asshole. He has no sense of what adapts well to the screen. To add insult to injury he adapts VERY poorly.

Certainly this movie had a few things to recommend it but it was not a great movie. It was a mediocre movie with good actors who drowned in a script that misinterpreted the source material.

I can't remember a movie in recent history that didn't fall apart on the written page. It pisses me off.

[Lynn Minmei]

Originally posted by moviemuffin

I can't remember a movie in recent history that didn't fall apart on the written page. It pisses me off.

How about the LotR trilogy or Big Fish?

[moviemuffin]

Originally posted by Lynn Minmei
How about the LotR trilogy or Big Fish?


Sorry, you've caught me (of all people) in a mis-spoken moment (and thanks for catching it).

What I actually intended to convey was:

I can't remember, in recent history, a movie that tanked when the writing wasn't the main culprit.

I've seen bad performances but none that were REALLY to blame for a film failing. I've seen bad direction, bad shooting, bad editing... but ultimately when I find myself walking out with a grimace fixed on my face the writing is the reason.

Just a personal perspective, but there you have it.

[agentsands]

Maybe if they'd had Nicole Kidman looking more realistic, not so pristine looking. She might have just been miscast. Which other actress do you think would have been better for the role?