NFL OFFSEASON DISCUSSION THREAD

[horrorfreak13]

Alright there's so much stuff going around lately(most of it involving my Redskins)

The Redskins signing Brunell to a 7 year $43 million contract not all that needs to happen is the trade to be completed and there's a rumor from ESPN that the Redskins might be on the verge of a blockbuster deal trading all-pro CB Champ Bailey to the Denver Broncos for Clinton Portis.

Champ Bailey will certainly help Denver they need a CB and Clinton Portis would help the skins a lot should this happen apparently Denver wants the Redskins 2nd round pick and the Redskins might not want to give it up.

Now back to the Brunell signing I'd like to say good job Dan Snyder now witht he signing of Brunell you pissed off Patrick Ramsey and probably wants to be traded :mad: I like Patrick Ramsey and I think he was very good last year this team should have never got rid of Stephen Davis but if getting rid of Champ Bailey gets the Redskins Clinton Portis I'll be jumping for joy.

All this reminds me on one thing Sundays suck now. :(

[Cunning Visions]

Ok as a Miami Dolphins fan I must say...what the HELL is going on here?!!! Our front office has become the laughingstock of the league. We needed a change at QB and what did we do?...we got A.J. Feeley from the Eagles. We traded a conditional 2005 2 round pick for a third string QB?? We replaced a backup (Fiedler) with another backup? Just seems rather odd. Maybe some Eagle fans can enlighten me on Feeley and hopefully make me feel better about this signing. *Sigh*:o

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Cunning Visions
Ok as a Miami Dolphins fan I must say...what the HELL is going on here?!!! Our front office has become the laughingstock of the league. We needed a change at QB and what did we do?...we got A.J. Feeley from the Eagles. We traded a conditional 2005 2 round pick for a third string QB?? We replaced a backup (Fiedler) with another backup? Just seems rather odd. Maybe some Eagle fans can enlighten me on Feeley and hopefully make me feel better about this signing. *Sigh*:o

I'm not an Eagles fan but I only saw him when he came in for McNabb when he was injured over a year ago. I don't think he's the answer to their problems but I'm not sure who else is available.

[TheDeadWalk]

Let me be the first to say that as an Ohio State fan, Maurice Clarett is a simple bitch.

I hope he doesn't get drafted, and is picked up for some four year deal in NFL Europe.

Though I am thankful that he has made me unstoppable in NCAA 2004 on PS2. But he's still a bitch.

[bmain77]

Feeley looked great when Mcnabb went down. That could be a very solid pickup. My only problem is that if I running a team needing a qb I'd wait and see what happens with Patrick Ramsy. Whatever qb the dolphins get they still need to get a good WR.

As great as Champ Bailey is I'm not sure I'd give up Clinton Portis for him. The Broncos must be confident in Quentin Griffen's ability.

I'm excited to see what the Lions do this offseason. They are in a great position to fill in a lot of holes. THey can do no wrong with their pick. Kevin Jones, Sean Taylor, or any of the WR's all would be great pickups.

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm excited to see what the Lions do this offseason. They are in a great position to fill in a lot of holes. THey can do no wrong with their pick. Kevin Jones, Sean Taylor, or any of the WR's all would be great pickups.

Sorry Bmain. Kevin Jones is gonna be the feature back for the future NFC North Champion Chicago Bears for years to come.

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by bmain77
Feeley looked great when Mcnabb went down. That could be a very solid pickup. My only problem is that if I running a team needing a qb I'd wait and see what happens with Patrick Ramsy. Whatever qb the dolphins get they still need to get a good WR.

I'm excited to see what the Lions do this offseason. They are in a great position to fill in a lot of holes. THey can do no wrong with their pick. Kevin Jones, Sean Taylor, or any of the WR's all would be great pickups.

First off...thanks for the Feeley comments. I agree we need another reciever to compliment Chris Chambers and some O-line help.

As for the Lions, most mock drafts have them picking Sean Taylor. All I can say is I've been to many Hurricane games and Taylor is the real deal. Consider yourself lucky if you guys draft him...he will be a pro bowl safety by his second year. He's THAT good.

[bmain77]

Sean Taylor would be great. I love hard hitting safeties and Taylor fits that bill perfectly. He's fast and he's even bigger than some linebackers in the NFL. I can just picture him nowing breaking Randy Moss in half.

In a perfect world the lions will draft Taylor and a running back later in the draft (Sprowles from KSU maybe). Sign Tai Streets from the Niners. Sign Antoine Winfield away from the Bills. Keep Bill Schroeder around long enough for Taylor to get one good shot on him in training cap and then cut his pathetic ass. I wouldn't be suprised to see Deuce Staley or possibly Garrison Hearst in Lions uniforms next season. Kevin Barlow and Hearst have to be sick of sharing the ball by now.

I'm actually curious to see how the bears develop. I see that the new staff didn't understand why David Terrell was so underused by the previous staff. They plan on using him a lot more. On the other hand I'm sad to see Anthony Thomas being pushed aside. He did have a pretty decent year this year. He is one of the classiest guys to wear the Maize and Blue so I hope to see land on his feet somewhere....maybe the Lions:).

[horrorfreak13]

Well now another trade rumor suggests Keyshawn Johnson could be sent to Dallas for Joey Galloway. Yes come on Dallas add a disguntled WR to your roster and have your team go completely downhill.

[chiefxcel]

It appears that the NY Jets are now part of the Champ Bailey sweepstakes. They have offered Washington Shaun Ellis, Anthony Becht and LaMont Jordan for Bailey. I don't know about you guys, but I'll take the Portis deal any day of the week over that one. Portis had almost 1600 yards on the ground this year, despite missing 3 full games and not completing 3 other games (meaning he only played 10 games in full). The Jets offer is very good, but still, Portis is a madman and he's just going to get even better.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by chiefxcel
It appears that the NY Jets are now part of the Champ Bailey sweepstakes. They have offered Washington Shaun Ellis, Anthony Becht and LaMont Jordan for Bailey. I don't know about you guys, but I'll take the Portis deal any day of the week over that one. Portis had almost 1600 yards on the ground this year, despite missing 3 full games and not completing 3 other games (meaning he only played 10 games in full). The Jets offer is very good, but still, Portis is a madman and he's just going to get even better.

The Redskins aren't taking the Jets deal it's worth too little it appears the trade between the Redskins and the Broncos will be accepted provided they sign the players to contracts

[jeo4]

Denver is waaaaaaaay over the salary cap right now. Look for some heavy trading in April. If Portis doesn't go to Washington, he will still be traded.

Kansas City is my team, so I'm hoping for some new defensive talent. We got our defensive coordinator back from Tennessee. Under Gunther Cunningham, the Chiefs had the number one defense in the NFL. They have all the offense signed for long-term deals. Now they need to pick up some key defensive players, starting with a center man that can stop the running game.

[bmain77]

How bout that Jamal Lewis? Not only is he a great running back, but he also sounds like one heck of a coke dealer. What a friggin loser. How does a first round pick still feel the need to deal in drugs? Apparently they have it all on tape. Which reminds me....when the hell will criminals stop using cell phones in the commision of crimes?

At least teammate Ray Lewis was nice enough to refer Jamal to the lawyers that got him off.

[MarkItZero]

It sounds like the Jamal Lewis incident happened a way back in 2000 before he was even drafted. It says on CNN.Com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/02/25/lewis.indictment/?cnn=yes) that if convicted he could face 10 years to life! I am sure it wont come to that, but he must be shitting his pants right now.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
It sounds like the Jamal Lewis incident happened a way back in 2000 before he was even drafted. It says on CNN.Com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/02/25/lewis.indictment/?cnn=yes) that if convicted he could face 10 years to life! I am sure it wont come to that, but he must be shitting his pants right now.

Just think if was convicted when it happened his team would have went 4-12 two years ago and the Pats would have won three in a row!!

:):D :cool: :rolleyes:

[horrorfreak13]

Well Baltimore was planning on possibily using that open cap room to try and swing Terrell Owens to Baltimore but now they might have to use it elsewhere.

Also the Jets are reported to cut Vinny Testaverte an announcement is to be expected Friday but the cut won't happen until after June 1 because the Jets will take a bigger cap hit should the Jets release him before then.

[MarkItZero]

I am guessing Vinny T. will end up catching on somewhere else. Teams are always in need of veteran backups. That is, if he still wants to play, he may decide that its time to hang up the sneakers.

[scarecrow2012]

so does anyone thing T.O. will still become a free agent. i think he needs to but something about paperwork this year in sports is just killin everybody. It will be nice to see him anywhere besides San Fran.

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by scarecrow2012
so does anyone thing T.O. will still become a free agent. i think he needs to but something about paperwork this year in sports is just killin everybody. It will be nice to see him anywhere besides San Fran.

Well his free agent days are over, the 49ers now own his rights. The front office must be smiling now because anybody who wants Owens will now have to trade for him. If his dumbass agent would have filed the papers than he could have just signed with whoever he wanted to and the 49ers would have gotten nothing in return. He must fire his agent immediately...because it takes a special kind of stupid to do that.

[horrorfreak13]

Well another good CFL star is in the NFL QB Ricky Ray has signed with the New York Jets and will more than likely back up Chad Pennington. Well good luck Ricky Ray I hope he has good success in the NFL.

Also the Broncos have released QB Brian Griese well good luck finding work.

[Haddonfield]

I had to post this....

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There was a Packers fan with a really crappy seat at Lambeau. Looking with his binoculars, he spotted an empty seat on the 50-yard line. Thinking to himself "what a waste" he made his way down to the empty seat.

When he arrived at the seat, he asked the man sitting next to it, "Is this seat taken?" The man replied, "This was my wife's seat. She passed away. She was a big Packers fan." The other man replied,"I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. May I ask why you didn't give the ticket to a friend or a relative?"

The man replied, "They're all at the funeral."

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Also the Broncos have released QB Brian Griese well good luck finding work.

Actually it was the Dolphins who just released Griese. I think he'll find back up work somewhere. We also released aging Pro Bowl safety Brock Marion (among others). That frees up a lot of cap space so we can hopefully make a run at Damien Woody and Da Bears Chris Villarrial *crosses fingers*

[horrorfreak13]

Well Clinton Portis could be the highest paid RB in history when the Redskins-Broncos deal gets completed Portis apparently has agreed to a 8 year $50.5 million contract and includes $17 million in signing bonuses and option bonuses.

I think I'm going to like next year.

[scarecrow2012]

If washington keeps up then they will be a force in the nfl. thats just scary right there

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by scarecrow2012
If washington keeps up then they will be a force in the nfl. thats just scary right there

Look out Philadelphia it won't be a cake walk next year that's for sure.

Also Jeff Garcia is expected to be cut from the 49ers today and also Peyton Manning is expected to sign the richest contract in history signing a 7 year $99.2 million contract which includes a $34.5 million signing bonus.

Fuck I should have played football for a living.

[horrorfreak13]

Looks like it's between Seattle and Washington for Jevon Kearse. I would love to see the Redskins grab him. Dammit al these changes and I have to wait 6 god damn months for next season. The best I can get right now is by making these changes on Madden 2004 to preview what next year will be like.

[scarecrow2012]

HAIL TO THE MUTHA FUCKIN EAGLES...I'm a huge Titans fan but i definitly would love to see the eagles suceed....Jevon Kearse now a Eagle....all they need now is TO...damn to be a titans fan i'm way to excited for the eagles lol...

[scarecrow2012]

Another thing ...i have finally i'm a NFL fan more than just backing one team...I love that Washington is a contender and dallas might even look better....i would still like to see the panthers win the super bowl next year...

[Cabrini Green]

What is with the Bears overpaying for Thomas Jones of Tampa? This guy had all the playing time in the world to do something with the starting job in Arizona and Tampa. The Bears already have a decent runner in Anthony Thomas. A puzzling move to me.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Cabrini Green
What is with the Bears overpaying for Thomas Jones of Tampa? This guy had all the playing time in the world to do something with the starting job in Arizona and Tampa. The Bears already have a decent runner in Anthony Thomas. A puzzling move to me.

Whats even more puzzling is that Chicago is so confident in Jones that they will likely part ways with Anthony Thomas. I would say a 2nd rd. pick turning in two one thousand yard seasons in his first three years is pretty darn good, but the Bears act like he is a bust. If Chicago does dump him the next team (the Lions?...hmmm) is going to get quite a steal. Getting dumped could just get the A-Train steaming again like back in the day.

Then again I'm not exactly the most objective person around when it comes to the topic of former Wolverines.

I'm wondering how much cap space the Eagles have. Thats a huge chunk of change to be giving Kearse if they still hope to get their hands on TO, not to mention they'll need to pick up another RB somewhere along the way.

I will openly say that I hope the Redskins go down in flames. It seems like they would have learned their lesson with that last unsuccessful spending spree they went on.

[scarecrow2012]

i think the eagles are good on cap space..cuz i believe that they have still not signed their big deal dbs. I hope washington does suceed...it will just make the nfl that much better

[horrorfreak13]

Washington has signed CB Shawn Springs and he's a pretty good CB. I'm going to love next season

They also signed Cornelius Griffin who spent his first 4 years with the Giants.

This is what my Redskins have done this off season
Traded for Brunell
Traded for Portis
Signed Cornelius Griffin
Signed Shawn Springs
signed Phillip Daniels

And I don't think they are done yet.

[horrorfreak13]

The 49ers have traded Terrell Owens to the Ravens YEEESSSS!!!!!! I
m glad the fucking Eagles didn't get him hahaha!!!!

[RogueSpear]

Can I be first in line to laugh when the Redskins put up another losing season?

Seriously, when is Danny-boy going to learn he can't buy himself a championship.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
Can I be first in line to laugh when the Redskins put up another losing season?

Seriously, when is Danny-boy going to learn he can't buy himself a championship.

I think this year is going to be different they have a very good RB and Joe Gibbs knows how to win he's done it before.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I think this year is going to be different they have a very good RB and Joe Gibbs knows how to win he's done it before.

Wasn't Spurrier a proven winnner too although? Fact: they got horribly ripped off in the Portis-Bailey trade and managed to piss off Ramsey who displayed more than enough grit and talent over this past year.

I sense another implosion! (and salary cap hell down the road)

God do I feel sorry for Kyle Boller. T.O. bitched when he had a QB who had gone to the Pro Bowl. Now he has someone alot more raw.

[Benny]

Screw Baseball, NFL Season is only 6 mere months away! I'm very excited after hearing that my beloved "losers" the Philadelphia Eagles have picked up Jevon Kearse! This gives us some more force to our defense for next year, and most of the other same guys will still be around, so this is great news. Unfortunately we didn't get Owens though, and we need a power player at either WR or RB. I can't imagine TO and Brian "I'm King of the World!" Billick to get along very well in Baltimore though. Both sem to realyl have volatile personalites and enormous egos.

horrorfreak- what do you have against the Eagles personally?

[chiefxcel]

The Redskins do it again, signing a very good LB Marcus Washington (Indianapolis, 26 years old).. 6-year deal worth $24 million. Man, Redskins are going to the playoffs. Maybe further.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Benny
horrorfreak- what do you have against the Eagles personally?

It's the fact there are in my team's division you grow to hate to the teams in your own division I still hate the Cowboys and Giants more then any other team.

The Redskins get another free agent Marcus Washington to a 6 year 24 million contract.

Mixmastermosse I don't think the Redskins got ripped off in the Portis deal they got a future priemiere RB who has 1500 rushing yard in his 1st 2 years and they addressed the CB situation with Shawn Springs who is a very good CB. Plus it seemed that Champo Bailery didn't want to play with Washinton anymore and getting more than a 1st round pick which what it seemed to be was very good.

[Benny]

Originally posted by chiefxcel
Man, Redskins are going to the playoffs. Maybe further.

I recall Redskins fans saying this when Snyder bought the team for $800 million in 2000, then they underachieved the whole season. I'm not saying the Skins won't make the playoffs, I just think that their fans shouldn't count their chickens...

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Mixmastermosse I don't think the Redskins got ripped off in the Portis deal they got a future priemiere RB who has 1500 rushing yard in his 1st 2 years and they addressed the CB situation with Shawn Springs who is a very good CB. Plus it seemed that Champo Bailery didn't want to play with Washinton anymore and getting more than a 1st round pick which what it seemed to be was very good.

I can see where you are coming from, to a degree. But what position is at more of a premium in the nfl: a great rb or a shutdown cb? You would be hard pressed to find any who would take the rb. Shutdown cornerbacks are at a premium. If the trade had been one for one maybe I would be a little more forgiving but a second round pick as well? Thats plain stupid.

"Even the personnel men leaguewide who feel Clinton Portis is a terrific young back are in agreement that the Washington Redskins got hoodwinked on the trade that sent corner Champ Bailey and a second-round draft choice to Denver. Even as a straight-up deal, one-for-one, the Broncos would have had an edge, because cornerback is one of the most premium positions in the league, by any measure. But to have thrown in a second-round pick along with a four-time Pro Bowl cornerback who is just 25 years old was viewed as ludicrous. " espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1751618)

I dont know all the details of the Shawn Spring deal but it better include something regarding how many games he plays in. If I'm not mistaken he was the nickel back for a few games this past season. He was a very good CB whose play has dropped significantly over the past few years. He has alot to prove before he is a good CB again in my books.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
I can see where you are coming from, to a degree. But what position is at more of a premium in the nfl: a great rb or a shutdown cb? You would be hard pressed to find any who would take the rb. Shutdown cornerbacks are at a premium. If the trade had been one for one maybe I would be a little more forgiving but a second round pick as well? Thats plain stupid.

Yeah it's true a shutdown CB is hard to find but Champ Bailey didn't want to stay in Washinton and to get a preimiere RB instead of a 1st round pick which most teams do is at least something I can deal with. I didn't agree with sending a 2nd round pick too but if that's what it takes to get Portis then that isn't too bad. There aren't too many god RBs in the free agent market anyways

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
"Even the personnel men leaguewide who feel Clinton Portis is a terrific young back are in agreement that the Washington Redskins got hoodwinked on the trade that sent corner Champ Bailey and a second-round draft choice to Denver. Even as a straight-up deal, one-for-one, the Broncos would have had an edge, because cornerback is one of the most premium positions in the league, by any measure. But to have thrown in a second-round pick along with a four-time Pro Bowl cornerback who is just 25 years old was viewed as ludicrous. " espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1751618)

I dont know all the details of the Shawn Spring deal but it better include something regarding how many games he plays in. If I'm not mistaken he was the nickel back for a few games this past season. He was a very good CB whose play has dropped significantly over the past few years. He has alot to prove before he is a good CB again in my books.

I know he hasn't played a complete season in 4 years but in the games I've seen him in which is about 2 or 3 last year he looked not too bad but not as good as Champ Bailey but at least better than average I figure.

At least give credit to the Broncos organization they could have let Portis sit and rot for 2 years and at least let him develop and make his money with another team.

[bmain77]

I may just have to change my opinion of Matt Millen. Damien Woody is a huge signing. He's the stud the Lions have needed to get the running game going. Fernando Bryant certainly isn't an super elite corner, but he's a damn solid one that teamed up with Dre Bly gives the Lions possibly one of the better pair of corners in the league. I'm not 100% sold on Bly yet though.

Tai Streets looks to be signing real soon too. He's the perfect complement to Charles Rodgers and gives Harrington a solid reciever who may not have blazing speed, but has the hands and the balls to get a ball in traffic.

At this point I'm starting to lean towards the Lions taking Kevin Jones which gives the Lions just about all they need on offense and then spend the rest of the draft on the defense. Sean Taylor would look good in a Lion uniform, but apparantly he's made an ass out of himself at his workout and the Lions have to have a home run threat at rb to take the pressure off of Harrington.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Terrell "The whiny baby" Owens is complaining that he didn't get traded to the Eagles and wanted to play for them instead of being traded to Baltimore. He said he's going to file a grieveance and wants to play for the Eagles. Hesaid he might not report to the Ravens camp. From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1752478)

Terrell want some cheese with that whine? You didn't get free agency because of your stupid agent and not the NFL so go to Baltimore and sit if you want I don't care. The 49ers didn't do anything wrong they didn't like what the Eagles offerred and wasn't going to trade him to a conference rival so shut your damn mouth for a change.

If your stupid agent would have signed the papers to let you be a free agent then you could have went anywhere but the didn't blame him.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
It's the fact there are in my team's division you grow to hate to the teams in your own division I still hate the Cowboys and Giants more then any other team.

The Redskins get another free agent Marcus Washington to a 6 year 24 million contract.

Mixmastermosse I don't think the Redskins got ripped off in the Portis deal they got a future priemiere RB who has 1500 rushing yard in his 1st 2 years and they addressed the CB situation with Shawn Springs who is a very good CB. Plus it seemed that Champo Bailery didn't want to play with Washinton anymore and getting more than a 1st round pick which what it seemed to be was very good.

I can relate with the hate of the Eagles. Ironically for me, both of my favorite teams come from the AFC North... Browns and Bengals. However, looking at the rest of that division you've got the ex-Browns aka Ravens, and the Steelers... enough hate there to make up for the fact that I like both of those teams.

But as for the Eagles, I hate them because of their fans. Not the casual fans, but the die-hard season ticket holders. They're rude, crude, and classless. They boo their own like theres no tomorrow, they booed when Irvin was put on a stretcher, and the straw that broke the camel's back... is when they BOOED when their own defensive lineman Jerome Brown was shot and killed, and the following Sunday PA asked for a moment of silence.

Disrespectful bastards to me. To me, that's way worse than branding the Oakland Raiders emblem on a man's ass.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
But as for the Eagles, I hate them because of their fans. Not the casual fans, but the die-hard season ticket holders. They're rude, crude, and classless. They boo their own like theres no tomorrow, they booed when Irvin was put on a stretcher, and the straw that broke the camel's back... is when they BOOED when their own defensive lineman Jerome Brown was shot and killed, and the following Sunday PA asked for a moment of silence.

Disrespectful bastards to me. To me, that's way worse than branding the Oakland Raiders emblem on a man's ass.

I remember that and even though I hate the Cowboys that made me sick to hear that because Irvin was a good reciever and I bielieve that hit ended his career. As for the Jerome Brown thing I don't remember that it must have happenned before I was born or before I got into the NFL.

[TheDeadWalk]

My bad. I looked it up and he was in an auto-accident, not shot.

And the year was 1992...

I also remember two years ago I believe it was, when Eagles/Bucs were gearing up for their NFC champ game, Warren Sapp was on the NFL HBO show talking about this, and that was why he hated the Eagles, and never wanted to be one.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well Terrell "The whiny baby" Owens is complaining that he didn't get traded to the Eagles and wanted to play for them instead of being traded to Baltimore. He said he's going to file a grieveance and wants to play for the Eagles. Hesaid he might not report to the Ravens camp. From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1752478)

Terrell want some cheese with that whine? You didn't get free agency because of your stupid agent and not the NFL so go to Baltimore and sit if you want I don't care. The 49ers didn't do anything wrong they didn't like what the Eagles offerred and wasn't going to trade him to a conference rival so shut your damn mouth for a change.

If your stupid agent would have signed the papers to let you be a free agent then you could have went anywhere but the didn't blame him.

Hehehe. Terrell Owens, what a putz! He can sit and rot for all I care. Why the hell does he think it would be so much better on the Eagles anyway? Id say he's got about an equal shot of getting to a Super Bowl with either team... or maybe he doesn't care about that and it's some other reason, who knows? Neither team has any other recievers so he is going to be the focal point of defenses no matter where he goes. He always bithches about not having a good qb to get him the ball, well McNabb sure didn't look like an all pro last year did he? I'm thinking he doesn't like the idea of playing with Boller, my heart goes out to you Terrell, I wish you the best.:rolleyes:

And what the hell are the Bears thinking signing Thomas Jones, whaaaa? They need a rb, but he isn't the answer. He couldn't even hang on to a starting job in either Arizona or Tampa Bay. This guy has been a bust from day one.

How are the Redskins getting around the salary cap and signing all these players to huge contracts? They act like the are the Yankees or something. Seriously, what's going on there? I dont know all the intricicies of it, but surely it will bite them in the ass in the future.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
And what the hell are the Bears thinking signing Thomas Jones, whaaaa? They need a rb, but he isn't the answer. He couldn't even hang on to a starting job in either Arizona or Tampa Bay. This guy has been a bust from day one.

How are the Redskins getting around the salary cap and signing all these players to huge contracts? They act like the are the Yankees or something. Seriously, what's going on there? I dont know all the intricicies of it, but surely it will bite them in the ass in the future.

Thomas Jones didn't look too bad in the games he played in Tamp Bay but who knows not like the Bears are going to do any better anyways.

I think with the contracts a lot of the money is bonus money and the end of the contract is probably worth more money than the beginning of the contract I guess but I don't know the breakdown of all the contracts

[RicochetShaw]

I'll be the first to say, the Redskins look downright scary. :eek: Portis and Brunell sounds like a lethal one-two punch. People that say Redskins got a bad deal in giving up Champ Bailey, well I don't know what to think, is it jealousy? I'd give up any CB any day of the week for Clinton Portis, the most explosive back in the league. Usually I'd laugh and say this is a team that's going to sink with a high pay-roll, but with Gibbs at the helm, I don't know.... they could be a very dangerous team...


Lookout for the NFC East, should be an exciting, tough conference this year.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I think with the contracts a lot of the money is bonus money and the end of the contract is probably worth more money than the beginning of the contract I guess but I don't know the breakdown of all the contracts

To my knowledge that is how they do it. Spread the bonus over 6 to 8 years and it doesn't hurt the cap too much.

I've read a few rumors (most likely a load of shit) that the Vikings are making an attempt to trade up in the draft to try to get a shot at one of the top three WR.

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
And what the hell are the Bears thinking signing Thomas Jones, whaaaa? They need a rb, but he isn't the answer. He couldn't even hang on to a starting job in either Arizona or Tampa Bay. This guy has been a bust from day one.

Isn't Chicago installing a new offense this season? One that needs a back who isnt so, well like the A-train , and a little more shifty?

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
....but who knows not like the Bears are going to do any better anyways.

:D Exactly.

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
People that say Redskins got a bad deal in giving up Champ Bailey, well I don't know what to think, is it jealousy? I'd give up any CB any day of the week for Clinton Portis, the most explosive back in the league.

Jealousy? I'd beg to differ. I think its that a shutdown cornerback (arguably the best in the league) is more valuable to a team than a great RB (but as far as I'm concerned not even arguably the best in the league, that kind of debate is reserved for J. Lewis and P. Holmes). Secondly, certain RB's 'fit' in certain schemes (as I'm sure Holmes would attest too). Portis was utilized to perfection by Denver. Gibb system requires some more running between the tackles than Portis did in Denver. Thirdly, Portis ran behind a good (and dirty) O-line. Admittedly the Redskins have talent on the OLine but it certain hasnt shown itself in the past two years (although that is more of a certain coaches fault than any of the players). Fourth, the life of a running back is much shorter than that of a CB. And finally, I am a Defensive Coordinator and I coach db's so I have a huge bias. Rant finished.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Jealousy? I'd beg to differ. I think its that a shutdown cornerback (arguably the best in the league) is more valuable to a team than a great RB (but as far as I'm concerned not even arguably the best in the league, that kind of debate is reserved for J. Lewis and P. Holmes). Secondly, certain RB's 'fit' in certain schemes (as I'm sure Holmes would attest too). Portis was utilized to perfection by Denver. Gibb system requires some more running between the tackles than Portis did in Denver. Thirdly, Portis ran behind a good (and dirty) O-line. Admittedly the Redskins have talent on the OLine but it certain hasnt shown itself in the past two years (although that is more of a certain coaches fault than any of the players). Fourth, the life of a running back is much shorter than that of a CB. And finally, I am a Defensive Coordinator and I coach db's so I have a huge bias. Rant finished.

I wouldn't have given up Champ Bailey but if he wanted to leave you might as well get something back for him and they got a priemere RB who's probably the 3rd best back in the league behind Holmes and Lewis. I wasn't convinced that there was a better RB in free agency either not even Corey Dillion another whiny baby. Denver probably has the best O-Line in the league but I think Portis could do well with the Redskins O-Line which isn't great but it's at least decent. Their O-Line protected Hasselbeck more than Ramsey. When you take a look at the ages of the two players Bailey is 25 Portis is 22 and most RB last until about 34 so they still get about they same length of time with Bailey and Portis who could retire at the same time but who knows.

Now back to Terrell "The Big Whiny Baby" Owens and his whining about wanting to go to Phily. He says he won't report to Baltimnore and Baltimore which couold have the potion of recinding the trade won't do so and now Owens has the players association looking into it trying to get him a free agent. You know what I would just sit him out for the remainder of his contract and he can continue to whine and whine the little baby that he is. Does Phily actually think San Fran will take James Thrash who is a 3rd or 4th recieiver at best and a 5th round pick would help San Francisco better I don't think so.

Also here's something from ESPN to enjoy

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/040308_quickie.jpg :D

EDIT: The Tampa Bay Buccanneers are expected to sign ex-49ers QB Jeff Garcia this week passing up an opportunity to be a starter for Cleveland. Click Here (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/03/08/garcia.bucs/index.html)

[TheDeadWalk]

God damnit the Browns are making me sweat shitballs here.

The thought of Garcia or Couch as next year's QB BOTH make me cringe.

Just trade Northcutt and Pot smoker Green to the Raiders and bring home Roethlisberger.

Actually...

I'm checking http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/ and they're saying that the Raiders will take Williams from USC and the Browns will end up with Roethy...

So who knows....

[Benny]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
But as for the Eagles, I hate them because of their fans. Not the casual fans, but the die-hard season ticket holders. They're rude, crude, and classless. They boo their own like theres no tomorrow, they booed when Irvin was put on a stretcher, and the straw that broke the camel's back... is when they BOOED when their own defensive lineman Jerome Brown was shot and killed, and the following Sunday PA asked for a moment of silence.

Disrespectful bastards to me. To me, that's way worse than branding the Oakland Raiders emblem on a man's ass.

Yeah, Eagles antipathy spreads far and wide, I'm well aware of it. I like them because they're my hometown team. I don't consider myself a "casual fan," nor do I consider myself "rude, crude, and classless," unless I am taking about the NY Giants. This is not an accurate description of all the Eagles fans, probably only 10% of them are really like this. The whole Philly fan thing is just blown up by the media, and these fans also are the ones who usually call into the radio shows. Not all the fans boo the players, but they are all very passionate about their team and care a lot, much more than some other teams' fans, about how the team is doing.

One MUST feel sorry for us too though. We set new standards for mediocrity throughout the 90s, now finally we're doing better, but we just cant seem to make it to the big game. Three years in a row now, we've lost the NFC Championship Game, twice at home. This year's loss was especially bereaving, because the team had an amazing comeback the week before and their season had been very tough. They were a much more interesting storyline than the stupid Panthers too.

Yeah Owens might be a "big whiny baby," but wouldn't you be pissed too if you had to play for Baltimore! :p Seriously though, the guy should be able to have a part in the decision of where he plays football. If I were a Ravens fan (God forbid), I wouldn't want him on my team anyway, because he would purposely not be trying his best.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Benny
Yeah, Eagles antipathy spreads far and wide, I'm well aware of it. I like them because they're my hometown team. I don't consider myself a "casual fan," nor do I consider myself "rude, crude, and classless," unless I am taking about the NY Giants. This is not an accurate description of all the Eagles fans, probably only 10% of them are really like this. The whole Philly fan thing is just blown up by the media, and these fans also are the ones who usually call into the radio shows. Not all the fans boo the players, but they are all very passionate about their team and care a lot, much more than some other teams' fans, about how the team is doing.

One MUST feel sorry for us too though. We set new standards for mediocrity throughout the 90s, now finally we're doing better, but we just cant seem to make it to the big game. Three years in a row now, we've lost the NFC Championship Game, twice at home. This year's loss was especially bereaving, because the team had an amazing comeback the week before and their season had been very tough. They were a much more interesting storyline than the stupid Panthers too.

Yeah Owens might be a "big whiny baby," but wouldn't you be pissed too if you had to play for Baltimore! :p Seriously though, the guy should be able to have a part in the decision of where he plays football. If I were a Ravens fan (God forbid), I wouldn't want him on my team anyway, because he would purposely not be trying his best.

Sniff Sniff. That last paragraph smells like Randy Moss.



Funny story, one of my friends is currently residing in Jersey to fulfill his current unemployment issues. He left Ohio here with Philly his co-favorite team. He now lives in Jersey hating them. :)

He said that's all thats on the radio is Philly Philly Philly. He said he goes to work, and half of the radio stations are reading poems about the Eagles, or reading songs that someone has written about the Eagles, or there is some dipshit bitching about Donovan McNabb (aka the only decent player on the offense).

On the way back home, he floated through the radio station to find one station repeating the same fucking Eagles poems and songs that they read in the morning.

"Fuck em" he said.

"Enough's enough. Damn."

[MixMasterMoose]

Garcia to the Browns. espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1754514)

and Marcus Robinson to the Vikings espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1754447) . This makes the number 1 offense in the league even more scary.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Garcia to the Browns. espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1754514)

and Marcus Robinson to the Vikings espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1754447) . This makes the number 1 offense in the league even more scary.

Hurm... I don't think Robinson is all that. The only think he's proven himself good for is that he can run a decent corner into the endzone, and from his college quarterback nonetheless. His corner pattern is something that can be prevented with a cover 2 simply, but Randy Moss isn't that simple. I guess to me, Robinson is about as equivalent as D'Wayne Bates or any other second rate receiver that Minnesota already has. If they wanted to make an impact, they should have touched base with McCariens.

As for Garcia... fucking christ.

I'll just let the Colonel from American Beauty fill in for any of my comments about the California native. (kiddlings.) :D (But I still hate Garcia. FUCK)

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Hurm... I don't think Robinson is all that. The only think he's proven himself good for is that he can run a decent corner into the endzone, and from his college quarterback nonetheless. His corner pattern is something that can be prevented with a cover 2 simply, but Randy Moss isn't that simple. I guess to me, Robinson is about as equivalent as D'Wayne Bates or any other second rate receiver that Minnesota already has.

1999 CHI 84 rec for 1400 yards and he played exremelly well in the final half of the season this year. Compared to Bates (who has never had 50+ receptions or broke 1000 yards) this is a significant upgrade. Besides, like you said, Randy Moss isnt that simple. Even with the fact that the Vikes didnt have a decent WR beside Moss they still were the #1 offense. Robinson, as far as Im concerned is an upgrade. But I will gladly agree to disagree.

Stupid Question: How does one declare for the NFL draft ala those 6 high school kids? I figure if they can declare, to hell with it, next year I want to delcare myself eligible.

[TheDeadWalk]

Anyone know what you call Jeff Garcia signing with the Browns?



A straight plan for the gay man!

Bwahahahahahaha. I thought of that a few moments ago.

Steelers sign RB Duce Staley.

Woopity Doo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-steelers-staley&prov=ap&type=lgns

[horrorfreak13]

Well the players union has filed a grieveance saying the 49ers don't have the right to trade a player who the have under contract to anywhere they want :confused:

WHAT?????

He's under contract with them they can do whatever they damn well please. I hope the players union's grieveance gets turned down. Stupid whiny baby.

[horrorfreak13]

Well it appears that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are releasing 5 time pro bowl safety John Lynch after spending 11 seasons with the team. They apparently also have no plans on resigning Warren Sapp.

Man Tampa Bay must be really reshaping their team

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well the players union has filed a grieveance saying the 49ers don't have the right to trade a player who the have under contract to anywhere they want :confused:

WHAT?????

He's under contract with them they can do whatever they damn well please. I hope the players union's grieveance gets turned down. Stupid whiny baby.

Yup, very dumb. Unless Owens has a no-trade clause in his contract, this is an open-shut case.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
Yup, very dumb. Unless Owens has a no-trade clause in his contract, this is an open-shut case.

I agree but where does it go from there? Another trade? I highly doubt that Philly (or any other team) is going to give a higher pick than what the ravens gave to the 49er's in the first place. Plus, I can't see Me.O. relenting and playing for the Ravens (even if he did imagine the tension in the dressing room....R.Lewis)

Doesn anyone here have an account on T.O.'s forums? If so, could they post some of the threads here. I've been told by a guy in one of my soci. class that it is hilarious.

[bmain77]

Drew Henson lands in Dallas. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Just when I was done with the cowboys they pull me back in by hiring Bill Parcells and big time by trading for Henson.

I'm not saying he's going to be a stud in the NFL, but all I know is that in those 8 games he started at UM Henson was in my opinion the best qb I've seen in the Maize and Blue in my lifetime.

I do know I can't wait to read Drew Henson's autobiography some day. Let's see he's lined up at QB in front of 111,000 fans in the Big House. He got in for a cup of coffee in the House that Ruth built. Now he gets to suit up for America's team. Tell me whose dick he had to suck to get this lucky.

[RicochetShaw]

^ Does that kill Dallas' chances of getting Tim Couch? I was really hoping they'd land him, because I think he has a lot of untapped potential.

[MixMasterMoose]

Law says he has played his last game as a Pat. link (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/03/13/law_out_to_end_days_as_a_patriot/)

He has offered to pay the Pats what is remaining on his contract to be released.

[chiefxcel]

Minnesota's doing a solid job so far to improve their defense. Antoine Winfield (Bills), Tyrone Carter (Jets), and Steve Martin (Texans) are all big pickups. Winfield and Carter will go together very well with Chavous and Russell (the latter two combined for 17 INTs last year). Also Martin will improve their running D, specifically up the middle. Marcus Robinson also was signed by the Vikes, he's going to love playing with Randy Moss and I expect him to have a 50+ catch season. Can't forget their trio of talented running backs either. Minnesota should be a force next year.

[horrorfreak13]

Let's see Ty Law quote "Right now, it's not about money", "I'll go to training camp. I've got bonuses for going to training camp"

Yeah right and it's not about the money maybe I should get bonuses just for going to my work too. It's not about the money my ass. I don't care where he goes as long as it is not in the NFC

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well it appears that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are releasing 5 time pro bowl safety John Lynch after spending 11 seasons with the team. They apparently also have no plans on resigning Warren Sapp.

Man Tampa Bay must be really reshaping their team

I'm praying that the Bengals make a move on one or both of those guys, and still keep the eye on the draft at a CB.

[Cunning Visions]

Well it's official, the Dolphins have traded a 2005 6th round pick and the famous "player to be named later" to the Chargers for WR David Boston. I think it's a hell of a bargain. We all know Boston's history but the way it's structured, if he acts up and is cut...it won't be much of a cap hit. Plus he's agreed to all the restrictions (like cutting his weight to 230). He's a headcase, but if he gets his act together....he can be a hell of a player (Plus the guy's a beast..I mean LOOK AT HIM!)
http://www.chargers.com/camp/2003/073103/image004.jpg
http://www.signonsandiego.com/gallery/albums/030812carson/008A69B4_A5F1_4A8C_A027_CCF441F8172E_pobj_MINI_1.j pg

[chiefxcel]

***BREAKING NEWS***

Torrell Owens is now a Philadelphia Eagle. Baltimore gets a 5th round draft pick and San Francisco gets DE Brandon Whiting. Owens is expected to sign a multi-year contract with the Eagles.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by chiefxcel
***BREAKING NEWS***

Torrell Owens is now a Philadelphia Eagle. Baltimore gets a 5th round draft pick and San Francisco gets DE Brandon Whiting. Owens is expected to sign a multi-year contract with the Eagles.

The fucking whiny baby gets what he wants. Hope he enjoys playing for Andy Reid because he won't take that stupid I this and me that. There's no I in Team but there seems to be a ME in Terrell Owens' game.

[chiefxcel]

I'm still not worried about Philly, they lost Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons and Duce Staley.

[Benny]

Terrell Owens is my hero. :D

LOL Horrorfreak, but he won't be the first whiny baby to play of a Philly team. (IVERSON!)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Benny
Terrell Owens is my hero. :D

LOL Horrorfreak, but he won't be the first whiny baby to play of a Philly team. (IVERSON!)

It will be interesting to see when Terrell Owens gets less receptions a game than he did with San Francisco and start whining about him not getting the ball enough.

[chiefxcel]

Guaranteed at some point this season TO will demand another trade.

[horrorfreak13]

Here's a picture we all can enjoy Terrell Owens the baby

http://msn.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/040317_quickie.jpg :D

[Moviefan1234]

Owens may be cocky and not a team player, but he's still the second best WR in the league. His talent is well worth the headaches he brings to the table.

Buffalo signed Troy Vincent yesterday, so I'm a happy camper. I was worried when they lost Winfield to Minnesota, but the fear is gone now that they have Vincent. Vincent can pick off passes, something Winfield rarely did.

[MixMasterMoose]

Owens? Second best? :confused: I'd take Moss, Holt, Harrison, C. Johnson (and possibly Boldin) in a heartbeat over Me.O. But thats just me.

Who else is just dying to see Philly and Balt play this year now? I have the oddest feeling that T.O. is not going to head anywhere near Mr. Lewis. BTW nice pic horrorfreak13.

Bill Belichick is "paid to lie sometimes, because that's how he supports his family." Thank you for that gem Ty Law!
here (http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2240012)

I like the signing of Troy Vincent by Buffalo. Older but with the ability to pick off a pass.

D. Boston to Miami for next to nothing. Now Miami needs a QB that can get him the ball. Ricky must be thanking the big guy upstairs.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Who else is just dying to see Philly and Balt play this year now? I have the oddest feeling that T.O. is not going to head anywhere near Mr. Lewis.

That's right Phily and Baltimore play each other this year oh I hop e it's in Baltimore I really do now that's a game I'd be interested to see.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Owens? Second best? :confused: I'd take Moss, Holt, Harrison, C. Johnson (and possibly Boldin) in a heartbeat over Me.O. But thats just me.



If I were to rank the best receivers in the league, Owens would be #2 behind only Moss. On a pound for pound, inch for inch level there aren't many as good as Owens. (My opinion o'course)

[horrorfreak13]

Well the Joey Galloway for Keyshawn Johnson trade is now officially complete.

From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1763278)

I don't know who really benefits from this Dallas for getting a cancer to their team or Tampa for getting rid of him.

Man that's Phily and Dallas with cancer's on their team now all I need is the Giants to pick up Warren Sapp and my year is made although you don't really need a cancer to add in a bunch of overrated saps since I don't think ESPN will be that stupid to pick them to win the division like they did last year.

[Strider]

Well, I'll be damned! The Eagles actually got T.O.! I still don't like T.O., he's a troublemaking bastard. Nevertheless, I'm sure he's gonna do some good for the team. At least McNabb has somebody to THROW to now.

However, even though this may sound like good news, I'm still predicting that the Eagles are going to choke for the 4th consecutive time.... :D

[TheDeadWalk]

In retrospect about Sapp and Lynch:

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I'm praying that the Bengals make a move on one or both of those guys, and still keep the eye on the draft at a CB.

Welp, Sapp is close to four year deal with Cinci. Wow. All that making fun of him for nine years and now I may have to root for him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-bengalssappdealalmos&prov=fanball&type=lgns

[horrorfreak13]

According to CBS.com Warren Sapp has signed with the Oakland Raiders.

[TheDeadWalk]

Yeah. The fucker. Headline went from "Sapp close to being a Bengal" to "Suprise. Sapp dons the silver and black."

[ICP RULZ]

Well I'm a happy camper now. Me being a Philly fan and all. I mean what more could we ask for....we got T.O. ripping up the field and then now we got someone to anchor down the D and his name starts with a K and ends with a E.....Thats right,Jevon Kearse. I think Philly is the team thats gonna go all the way next year. I am sad about Troy Vincent leaving but I think it's better off as he has rapidly been going down hill. Thrash is leaving Philly and I also think this was a wise choise for him. I honestly can't think of any other team with a better offense or defense than Philly. I mean on O we got McNabb,T.O.,Buckhalter,Pinkston and on D we got KEARSE,Simoneau,Kalu,Dawkins.....I wonder who they are going to get for Vincent though....Anyways,just the thoughts of a philly fan

Peace,
Matt

[Strider]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
According to CBS.com Warren Sapp has signed with the Oakland Raiders.

Hell fucking yeah! Warren Sapp is officially with my team. That sounds damn good to me! Although I'm not sure its going to help much, but its good to have him nevertheless.... :D

Strider

[ICP RULZ]

Originally posted by Strider
I'm not sure its going to help much



I personaly think Philly and Oakland will be the teams to be next year... I think the Raiders are going to do awsome...In a way I almost think it was their plan to do horrible this year and get a good draft pick and then pick up some good D and then their all set. Unless Gannon doesn't come back. I mean they also picked up big Ted Washington. Their going to be a tough team to beat next year.

Peace,
Matt

[chiefxcel]

All I have to say is, have fun running against Oakland. Their offense doesn't scare me though. I don't think they can make the playoffs but time will tell. As for Philly, their offense is definitely much better now and they'll be tough to stop with a great ground game and an improved passing game. It's going to be harder to win their division now though with Washington getting much stronger this offseason. Minnesota, Atlanta, Green Bay, Seattle, and St. Louis should all be contenders as well next season.

[chiefxcel]

Well Reggie Tongue has signed with the NY Jets, and John Lynch has signed with the Denver Broncos.

[TheDeadWalk]

The Rams just signed Chris "Glass Chandelier" Chandler to a three year deal.

This makes me wonder though... a seasoned veteran for backup, when you've got Bulger and Warner. Could the Rams be secretly opting Warner for trade?

[horrorfreak13]

I couldn't resist posting this pic this so fucking hilarious

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040324_quickie.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D

EDIT: Also some newsworthy info the NFL has announced that any extended end zone celebration or flamboyant celebrations will now result in a 15 yard penalty From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1767517)

[bmain77]

WTF...Millen must be somewhat intelligent!

Brock Marion signs meaning chances are the Lions aren't talking Sean Taylor. As I think about it more and more trading down for more picks or picking Winslow Jr. here probably does make more sense though I;m not too keen on bringing Kellin. He just rubs me the wrong way.

Rueben Brown and Ian Gold both have been in town this week. If they sign Rueben Brown the Lions will seriously have one of the best o-lines in the league.

The one positive thing I'll say about the Millen years is that they now actually look at UM players. The previous regime used to have a real problem with the Wolverine football program to the point that they outright made fun of Brian Griese the year he and Charlie Batch came out, not that either of them have been stellar up to this point.

[ICP RULZ]

Bobby Taylor got traded off the Eagles.... Anyone know what team he went to? and for what?

Peace,
Matt

[chiefxcel]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
Bobby Taylor got traded off the Eagles.... Anyone know what team he went to? and for what?

Bobby was a free agent, he signed with Seattle for four years.

[ICP RULZ]

Thanks chiefxcel.:D You didn't happen to catch how much money was involved did you?

Peace,
Matt

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Strider
Hell fucking yeah! Warren Sapp is officially with my team. That sounds damn good to me! Although I'm not sure its going to help much, but its good to have him nevertheless.... :D

Strider

Should be interesting to see how he and Washington fit into the scheme of things, especially with the new coach. But will the Raiders pick up Eli Manning? They really should, even if he's not a carbon copy of Peyton.

[horrorfreak13]

It appears the NFL playoffs could increase to 14 teams.

PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A proposal to let two more teams into the NFL playoffs could have a chance at passing at the league meetings after all.

The Kansas City Chiefs will propose an increase in postseason qualifiers from 12 to 14 at this week's meetings. The NFL Competition Committee is against it, and the committee carries much sway.

But several team officials said Sunday they would like to see more playoff teams.

"I'm for anything that gives my team a better chance to make the playoffs," San Francisco 49ers coach Dennis Erickson said.

"I think two more teams in the playoffs would increase the excitement in those cities," added Miami Dolphins president Eddie Jones.

Bob Kraft, owner of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots, co-sponsored the proposal a year ago, when it was voted down. He's indicated he still favors it.

But Rich McKay, co-chairman of the competition committee and general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, doesn't expect passage of the proposal.

"We feel like the current system has worked very well," McKay said. "The playoff number at 12 is a good number and, for competitive reasons, we don't recommend expansion."

The biggest concern is that with 14 teams, only the team with the best record in each conference would get a first-round bye.

"Yes, that would create a potential unreasonable advantage for the No. 1 seed," McKay said. "When you look at the advantage for the bye of the one and two seeds, certainly you see it. To then give it to the No. 1 seed alone definitely is a concern to all of us."

Increasing the playoff field requires 24 of 32 votes. So does making permanent instant replay to aid officials, which also is on the agenda.

That is considered more likely to happen than adding two playoff berths. If it doesn't pass, well ...

"There's always plan 1-B," said John Mara, executive vice president of the New York Giants. "We think we have more than enough votes to get it in permanently, but if we feel there's enough opposition, we're open to compromise."

That compromise probably would be approving replay for five years. It was first used to help officials in the 1986 season, but was voted out in 1992. It returned, with the current system of coaches' challenges, in 1999.

In 2001, the format was approved for three years. Now, the competition committee has voted 8-0 for permanent installment.

"I have my reservations, because we've been hurt by replay a couple of times," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said. "So yes, I'm for it, but I can see some people still wondering."

Replay could include a third coaches' challenge, too, but only if a team is successful on its first two challenges. That must be voted on by the owners, too.

Other items on the agenda include:

*requiring each team to have at least one possession in overtime;

*discussing upcoming negotiations to extend the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Associa tion beyond its expiration date after the 2007 season;

*discussing negotiations on a new television contract. The current one has two seasons left and commissioner Paul Tagliabue already is preparing to talk with the networks about the next deal;

*adding a 15-yard penalty for excessive on-field celebrations, particularly those involving more than one player and those that appear choreographed;

*extending the revenue-sharing agreement for logos and other licensed items

*extending by two days the one-week postseason period to interview assistant coaches for head coaching positions;

*adding an interview process for front-office personnel during that time period.

I'm up for any opportunity of my team having a better chance to making the playoffs but I like the way it is 12 teams make it I think it's much better that way otherwise you add another team which almost makes it possible that a 8-8 team or even worse a 7-9 could get in and I don't like that.

[bmain77]

Don't fucking fix what isn't broken. Next to the NCAA Basketball tourney the NFL probably has the best playoff system. As it is there are too many 8-8 and 9-7 teams getting in. There is no need to let some more 8-8 and even 7-9 teams into the playoffs. The owners just want more money.

I still don't understand the point of the new challenge system. Just give the coaches another challenge. Whats the point of giving them only to teams that either succeed in challenging 2 or fail in 2 attempts.

I'm also beginning to see why the Broncos were so willing to part ways with Portis. I'm not totally clear on all the details, but he actually challenged a Redskin safety (some long somoan name, but he is a returning starter I'm pretty sure) for the #26. Dude get a life. If can't buy they number with cash, lap dances, or weed then give it up and move on. I'll reserve some judgement until I hear all the details, but it's looking more and more like Portis could be another Jackass on the level of a Randy Moss and Terrel Owens. We'll see.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm also beginning to see why the Broncos were so willing to part ways with Portis. I'm not totally clear on all the details, but he actually challenged a Redskin safety (some long somoan name, but he is a returning starter I'm pretty sure) for the #26. Dude get a life. If can't buy they number with cash, lap dances, or weed then give it up and move on. I'll reserve some judgement until I hear all the details, but it's looking more and more like Portis could be another Jackass on the level of a Randy Moss and Terrel Owens. We'll see.

It's Infanyi Ohalate or something like that. Even I have a problem pronouncing it.

It appears the scenario where 14 teams could make the playoffs is dead. The Kansas City Cheifs are taking the propsal off since it does need 24 votes to pass and it doesn't look like that will happen

[chiefxcel]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
Thanks chiefxcel.:D You didn't happen to catch how much money was involved did you?

Four years, 11.8 million :D

[TheDeadWalk]

Bengals get Deltha O'Neal from the Broncos, swap places with em in the first round, AND get a fourth round pick.

The Bengals also won a compensatory pick in the third round, so this means that they'll have six picks by the end of round four.

Nice.

nfldraftcoutndown.com has them taking Clarett in the third.

Eesh.

[Nice Marmot]

Looks like my Browns are going to trade WR Dennis Northcutt to the Broncos for a 3rd round pick. Nothing official posted anywhere yet. I hated to see him go until he & his bonehead agent started acting like such crybabies this offseason.

It's also looking like we will get to trade QB Tim Couch to the Packers for anything from a 3rd to 5th rounder. I'd take anything as long as we don't have to cut him for nothing.

[horrorfreak13]

The full NFL schedule was released today

From ESPN
NEW YORK -- Peyton Manning knew he would be on stage facing the defending Super Bowl champion New England Patriots in the Thursday prime time opener. He found out Wednesday that he also will be working on Thanksgiving Day.

The NFL announced its 17-week, 256-game regular season schedule, whick kicks off with the Patriots hosting the Indianapolis Colts on September 9 in a rematch of the AFC championship game and concludes on Sunday, January 2.

The opening Monday night game will have the NFC champion Carolina Panthers hosting Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers. But for the second straight year, there will be no Monday night game on the final regular season weekend, enhancing the flexibility of scheduling the opening weekend of the playoffs.

The traditional Thanksgiving Day doubleheader will feature Manning and the Colts at Detroit and the Dallas Cowboys will host the Chicago Bears. Dallas will also play the final regular season Sunday night game, visiting the New York Giants.

A Friday afternoon game will be held on December 24 when the Packers visit the Minnesota Vikings.

There have been only eight Christmas Day games in NFL history but there will be two this season as the Kansas City Chiefs meet the Oakland Raiders in the afternoon and Tennessee Titans host the Denver Broncos at night.

The playoffs begin with wild card weekend on January 8-9.

Christmas games for a change that would be ok I guess and for full week by week nfl schedules click
HERE (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/schedule?year=2004)

[TheDeadWalk]

CINCINATTI HAS A MONDAY NIGHT GAME!!!!!

Jesus loves me yes I know, for the bible tells me so.

[Nice Marmot]

4 days in a row of pro football in December!

Friday(Christmas Eve), Saturday (Christmas Day), Sunday (My Browns at the Dolphins that night on ESPN!!!), & then Monday night.

Can you say Suh-Weeeet?!?!

8 days to the draft, the Browns will trade up & take Iowa LT, Robert Gallery.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Nice Marmot
8 days to the draft, the Browns will trade up & take Iowa LT, Robert Gallery.

God Willing.

Actually, I don't care much for Winslow Jr.'s attitude, but if the Browns get him, I will be pleased. I think that a badboy primetime player of his caliber is just what the doctor ordered for the Browns.

Plus, a Tight End is a half lineman anyways, so its the best of both worlds in some ends.

[Nice Marmot]

I agree w/ you. If we don't trade up for Gallery & he & Sean Taylor are already gone at our pick # 7, I'd be more than happy to get Winslow. If he walks the walk in the NFL then let him talk the talk.

[bmain77]

A lot of action in the NFL today.....

Well it appears that Clarett and and Mike Williams likely won't be eligible for the draft this weekend. To Clarett I say enjoy the CFL asshole! (no offense to the CFL watching Schmoes out there)

And to Mike WIlliams I do have some sympathy. I guess there is an appeals process that he can go through to get back his NCAA eligibility if that the path he chooses. It might be wise on his part as it seems his stock has been sliding the past week or so. At least according to everyone's favorite hair piece Mel Kiper.

Even if Clarett's final appeal is successful and both are able to enter the supplemental draft this summer they both stand to lose a whole lot of money especially Williams.

I'm not sure what to make of Corey Dillon going to the Patriots. I'm not ready to call it a great deal yet. It depends on which Dillon shows up. If he returns to the stud RB Dillon then just give the Lombardi trophy to the Patriots right now. It's over. Imagine that Defense and pass attack teamed up with an effective running game. Thats freaking scarey. And I have a feeling Ty Law's days are numbered. Between his chase on foot with the Miami PD and the Patriots not having to use one of their top picks on a back now that frees them to pick up a solid CB and kiss Law goodbye.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm not sure what to make of Corey Dillon going to the Patriots. I'm not ready to call it a great deal yet. It depends on which Dillon shows up. If he returns to the stud RB Dillon then just give the Lombardi trophy to the Patriots right now. It's over. Imagine that Defense and pass attack teamed up with an effective running game. Thats freaking scarey. And I have a feeling Ty Law's days are numbered. Between his chase on foot with the Miami PD and the Patriots not having to use one of their top picks on a back now that frees them to pick up a solid CB and kiss Law goodbye.


VERY interesting trade by the Pats. Ive always wondered what they would be like with a great RB and now they have one.

Somehow I dont think that Coach God would get a guy that he didnt think would fit into his system but this is a guy who wanted to be on a winner, thats what he says, so lets see. With all the picks the Pats still have and very good trade bait in Law, who knows. At the same time its not like Law is some fringe player....the guy is the best at what he does in the game.

Somehow, I think that New England will be just fine when the dust clears from this.....they have a RB now....thats insane....they won two without one.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Somehow I dont think that Coach God would get a guy that he didnt think would fit into his system ...

Since when did Bo Schembechler start coaching the Patriots, because we all know that when you say Coach God you have to be referring to Bo :D

If I was Coach God-like :D, I'd get rid of Law asap. While I think the Pats have the leadership to survive having a bad apple or two on the team, why bother? And this is coming from a guy who eats, sleeps, and drinks Michigan football and is constantly accused of wearing Maize and Blue colored glasses when discussing Michigan athletes.

As good as he is, he isn't worth the $9 million or so that he is due this year, especially if its going to include a chip on his shoulder all season. Even the very best at the position that I would rank ahead of him (Champ Bailey, Sam Madison, Woodson) aren't worth that much money. They drafted some good CB's last year and have the picks to land a couple this year. Jeremy Lesuer from UM or Ratliff from Florida would be great pickups in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. So I say trade him for another high pick, though with the money we're talking about here that might be difficult.

On a side note I guess this ends my hope of the Pats drafting Chris Perry. Other than the Lions I was hoping that he ends up in NE with Brady or now in Dallas with Henson.

[Haddonfield]

I cant see a situation where Law is back with New England. He ran his dumb mouth off that he is toast. He will go the way of so many other Boston players....get the money.
And I wont shed a tear because the real "Coach God;) " will have his troops ready and willing.

[Haddonfield]

On a side note about Law. I cant see him running his mouth off like this if he didnt have another team whispering in his agents ear.

I dont think Law will be a hard sell to make.

[ICP RULZ]

PHILLY RULES!!!!!!!!!! MCNABB,KEARSE,T.O.,SIMONEAU,KALU,DAWKINS ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!



Peace,
Matt

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
PHILLY RULES!!!!!!!!!! MCNABB,KEARSE,T.O.,SIMONEAU,KALU,DAWKINS ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!



Peace,
Matt

You forgot to subtract Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent. :D

To update, the Bengals now have SEVEN picks in the first four rounds.

Thanks, Corey.

Now get the fugg out.

[horrorfreak13]

Well it's a good move for both teams Cincinnati gets rid of a whiny bitch and gets a decent draft pick and New England gets a running game.

Kurt Warner is expected to be cut by the Rams after June 1st.

Well as long as he stays the hell away from Dallas or the Giants I'm happy go to the AFC and stay there please.

[TheDeadWalk]

I don't think Warner will be cut, I think that's just his deadline to "get the fugg out". If he hasn't "gotten the fugg out" by June 1st, then he will be kicked "the fugg out".

Now I think would be an opportune time for San Diego. Trade that #1 spot to St. Louis for Warner, with San Diego taking St. Louis' far back spot, and maybe an additional second or third round pick.

That way they don't have to sit around and curse themselves if they get another "Ryan Leaf disaster". With that late pick, they could almost definately get decent linemen like Jake Grove and Justin Smiley, and hell, Stepanovich from Ohio State will be around in the third to fourth round, and he could make a helluva center. Its a nice recipe for filling that interior need, while getting a very nice quarterback that will even things out for you while you concentrate on the ground game of LaDanian Tomlinson.

Warner isn't washed up I don't think. I just think when Martz came to town, he tried to revolutionize his team around Warner. The team was never about Warner, it was about the ground game. Martz is just too egotistical to see this, and if you notice, when Bulger starts, the game seemed to revolve around the ground game like it should. Why? Because Martz was more conservative with Bulger. When he had Warner in there, he wanted to make it the fucking two minute drill all the god damn time.

Tomlinson is one HELL of a back, and to not feature your game around that would be a travesty. Warner is an awesome quarterback when you utilize him as a supplement, not the medicine.

[horrorfreak13]

Well the draft is this weekend and I'm intrested at what the Redskins will do at #5 there is a rumor that they will trade down I don't know if I would do that unless there are more holes to fill but the Redskins could use some more youth on defense I think they signed a TE and released the one they had last year and I vagly remember who they were.

San Diego do you take Warner or take Manning I think I'd take Manning but Warner can go anywhere he wants except The Giants and Dallas stay the hell away from my fucking division.

[bmain77]

I wouldn't touch Warner's born again ass with a 10 ft. pole. While I agree that Martz is a giant jack ass I think it's clear that he has lost some arm strength and more importantly his confidence. Plus I wouldn't want to deal with that irritating wife of his. You know his stock has fallen when there isn't a single team out there that would bring him in as a starter next season.

Is anyone else sick of them including trading their number one pick away to Atlanta a couple years back with their drafting of Ryan Leaf as a mistake? I mean that trade netted Ladanian Tomlinson who I believe has turned out to be a pretty decent back :D and then got a very highly reguarded qb at the time in the second round. Frankly I'm not writing off Drew Brees at this point and as great as Mike Vick is, he really hasn't done anything as of yet to say that he's a better ball player than Tomlinson.

[ICP RULZ]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
You forgot to subtract Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent.


Troy Vincent was going down hill the whole time....He was a great player...One of the best. Not anymore,I think he gets paid too much for his amount of skill. I mean he didn't really do anything for Philly this year.
I never liked Bobby Taylor for the simple fact that I think he is probably the ugliest dude in the NFL right next to Peyton Manning. I hate Manning with a passion. I can't stand the way he plays.

Peace,
Matt

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
Troy Vincent was going down hill the whole time....He was a great player...One of the best. Not anymore,I think he gets paid too much for his amount of skill. I mean he didn't really do anything for Philly this year.
I never liked Bobby Taylor for the simple fact that I think he is probably the ugliest dude in the NFL right next to Peyton Manning. I hate Manning with a passion. I can't stand the way he plays.

Peace,
Matt

Haha.

While aging (and ugly), they were both still primetime players in that backfield. Hopefully they get the chance to draft some nice prospects or see what the free agent market churns out before the season starts and people start unloading 300 yard passing games on them.

[Strider]

I really don't understand why Eli Manning doesn't want to come to San Diego and play with the Chargers. I know the Chargers are in a dismal state right now, but a quarterback like Eli is just the thing the team needs to start getting back on track. I firmly believe that Eli will help out the Chargers. I know Eli is his youngest son, but why must Archie get involved in all of this? Let Eli pave his own destiny in the NFL. Honestly, while I would like to see Eli come to San Diego, as long as he plays against his older brother sometime during the 2004 NFL regular season, it won't matter to me which team he's playing with. I'll still be happy. :D

If I was in Eli's shoes, I would just forget about San Diego and New York. Instead, I'd try my damnest to get over to the Arizona Cardinals. The Chargers' and any other football teams' troubles are nothing compared to the Cardinals' troubles. The Cardinals need a God-given miracle to become a real football team.... ;)

And if I can just switch topics quickly to discuss the Kurt Warner situation with the St. Louis Rams. I think the Rams are going to ditch him. Warner ruined everything for himself by just opening his damn mouth when he wasn't supposed to. Not only that, he has a weak arm, and cannot throw that damn football the way he used to a couple of years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Warner has a difficult time trying to find a new team to play with, or any team for that matter. Warner may have faith in God, but he has no faith in his abilities to be a confident and strong quarterback.

Strider

[Strider]

Almost forgot. I predict the Chargers WILL get Eli Manning at the 2004 NFL Draft this weekend. There is no way that the Chargers would pass up such a great opportunity to get a potential great like Eli Manning.

Strider

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Strider
I really don't understand why Eli Manning doesn't want to come to San Diego and play with the Chargers. I know the Chargers are in a dismal state right now, but a quarterback like Eli is just the thing the team needs to start getting back on track. I firmly believe that Eli will help out the Chargers. I know Eli is his youngest son, but why must Archie get involved in all of this? Let Eli pave his own destiny in the NFL. Honestly, while I would like to see Eli come to San Diego, as long as he plays against his older brother sometime during the 2004 NFL regular season, it won't matter to me which team he's playing with. I'll still be happy. :D


Get the fuck away from the Giants go to San Diego hey wait the Cardinals need a QB if he thinks the Chargers are a piece of shit just wait until you hit Arizona HAHA!!

Also it might be wishful thinking but the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the CFL have placed Kurt Warner on their negotiations list which means if Kurt Warner doesn't land a job in the NFL he could very well be in the CFL.

Wouldn't that be awesome if Kurt Warner played in the CFL. Alight I quit dreaming about it happening and get back to reality.

[horrorfreak13]

Also the Redskins signed former Giant LB Mike Barrow to a contract YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Skins took a player fromt he fucking Giants. Looks like they filled up every hole they accomplished now I just want to see what the team does at the draft with the #5 pick

[TheDeadWalk]

Fuck Archie.

I don't recall the Indianapolis Colts being anything special before Peyton Manning arrived; they had been in a bit of a drought themselves before he saved that sinking ship.

The 2001-02 season featured a very tough San Diego team, that barely missed out on the playoffs finishing a strong 8-8. If I remember correctly, that was the year they had the OT game against Superbowl runner-up Oakland. Tomlinson broke it for 45 yards and hit paydirt, while the Black hole just started throwing handfuls of garbage on him while he danced in the endzone.

I thought for sure they were a playoff clinch that year, I think they even started off 4-0. They bumbled towards the end of the season, and ended up losing the last playoff bid to the Browns, which in-turn churned a Kelly Holcomb fiasco where he had his 400 yard passing game in a losing effort against the Steelers.

Fuckin A, Chargers. Fuckin A.

[Moviefan1234]

If San Diego doesn't select Eli Manning they deserve to stay in the cellar. I know they're afraid of another Ryan Leaf problem, but I don't think that'll be the case with Eli. I've heard some say if he had more to work with at Ole Miss, he would be looked at as being better than Peyton. My prediction is that the Chargers will trade the pick to the Giants and Eli Manning will become a New York Giant, much to horrorfreak13's liking. ;)

On another note, I'm praying the Bills can somehow get their mits on Roethlisberger or Rivers. I know it's a longshot, but they desperately need a young QB.

[PapaJupe2k]

Are the Chargers giving up on Brees already? Granted he hasn't been anything special, and I guess if opportunity arose to take Manning I would do it too, but it seems a little premature. Eli thinks he can pull a "John Elway" and refuse to play for San Diego. Why wouldn't you want to play with one of the great backs in the NFL in Tomlinson. Certainly he takes an enormous amount of pressure of the qb and also ranks right up there with Faulk and Holmes as the best passing catching back in football. If David Boston gets his head straight he is one of the best wide outs in the game. It seems a curious thing to do.

How high does Robert Gallery go?

Too bad to see former NFL safety Pat Tillman killed in Afghanistan in military action. Turned down 3 million to go make 18,000 and defend the US. Sad indeed.:(

[bmain77]

I thought about opening a thread just for Pat Tillman. That blew me away when I heard about it. Jim Rome dedicated his entire show to Tillman today.

It puts things in perspective for sure. I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up sitting on my couch to go to war and Tillman gives up millions to do it.

I'm curious to see what all the NFL does to honor him. Whatever it is, it will never be enough. I heard someone suggest tomorrow that all the jersey's given out tomorrow at the draft for the photo with Taglibue be number 40. I would hope he gets a special place in the hall of fame.

Say what you want about the president and our government, but you have to have nothing but the deepest respect for the soldiers out there laying in all on the line everyday.

[sharkstank]

RIP Pat Tillman
a true hero



in 9 hours the raiders get roy willliams!YAY!

WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Strider]

How unfortunate and sad to hear that Pat Tillman was killed yesterday. I have so much respect and admiration for the man for deciding to sacrifice the good life, his promising NFL career, and a million dollar contract to serve the country alongside his own brother. Tillman is truly a hero in every sense of the word, as well as an inspiration. I hope he has found a comfortable place in Heaven.

R.I.P.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
If David Boston gets his head straight he is one of the best wide outs in the game. It seems a curious thing to do.

How high does Robert Gallery go?



Since it seemed you were relating Boston to San Diego, I wanted to make sure you knew that Boston was traded to the Miami Dolphins.

As for Gallery, he will not get past pick number four. I firmly believe that if Eli Manning is gone by the second or third pick (Which he will be), the Giants will take him OVER Roethlisberger. I think the Giants are looking for 1 - Manning 2 - Gallery 3 - Roethlisberger.

Browns want to trade up to 1 to get Gallery, but doesn't look like its gonna happen, because San Diego doesn't want Manning going to Oakland. Their best bet is to trade with NYG. If that happens, I look for SD to take Gallery over Roethlisberger. If they go for Big Ben, look out because all bets are off... I'm not sure about Washington and Detroit, but we all know the Browns would happingly take him at #7.

The nfldraftcountdown.com mock has the Raidas taking Gallery at #2. I simply do not see this happening. Al Davis would see the pick as bittersweet, and is going to snatch up likely Fitzgerald or Roy Williams from Texas.

I hope not Fitzgerald, because I like that 'dream come true' story for Fitzy going back to Dennis Green.

[PapaJupe2k]

Poor Eli, he looked like he was going to cry holding up that Chargers jersey, boohoo, sniffle, sniffle. I feel so sorry for him.:rolleyes: Damn those rude New Yorkers booing him like that.:)

Surprising to see Gallery go number two. I'm thinking there still may be a deal made to send him elsewhere, we'll see.

Oooh fishy, Rivers just drafted by New York. Is he on his way to San Diego. Yep there it was. San Diego gets some draft picks as well. They aren't committed to winning Eli? Have fun with those brutal New York fans, you think you got booed at the draft, just wait for your first bad game, hehehe. You got what you wanted, good for you. Would have been funny to see San Diego just pick Rivers no. 1 and fuck over the Giants. They don't care about winning anyway, who needs all those drafts picks?

Good too see Fitzgerald reunited with Denny Green. I always liked Green when he coached Minnesota, seems like a good guy.

O.K. how high does Bobby Sanders go now, first round?:D

Will the clock run out on the Vikings again this year? What an organization, hehehe.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Guess Collins is officially toast now . Only question is how fast he takes to clean out his locker , if there is still something in there . And , who the backup QB will be , because that Bachelor guy is horrible .

Hey , the Giants fan's weren't booing EM , they were booing San Dog for drafting him , because as you can see , they cheered him when the trade went down . I don't know too much about this guy , but if he's even a fraction as good as the experts are saying , then i can see tons of highlight film now of Manning to Shockey , but who knows he could be a bust , but with Coughlin running the show now , i very much doubt it .

Anyway , the Jints went as far as they could with Collins and Fassel , it was time to make some important changes , so for now i'm glad they got the QB they wanted . Only a couple of months before the real fun begins , and we get to see him in some preseason action .

And i really don't see the prob with wanting to play for a certain team , everyone should have a bit of a choice , or a preference . Who the hell wants to be stuck on a team where you'll be miserable .

[Strider]

Well, I really hope Archie is fucking happy now, that his youngest son was drafted to the team HE wanted his son to play for. Now that everyone is happy, I'd like an explanation as to why the Manning family despise San Diego so much. Who wants to explain? Archie? Eli? Peyton, maybe? :D

It was great seeing Eli, though, when the Chargers "picked" him. The guy looked like he was going to piss his pants. I definitely want to see that again.... ;)

[bmain77]

The New York fans really showed their intelligence today booing the guy mercilessly that most people had to know their Giants was going to end up with one way or the other. They changed their tunes really fast.

I can't say I blame Eli for not wanting to land in San Diego. THey have no decent WR's or offensive line. The only thing they had going for them was LT. The Giants essentially have all the pieces in place. Toomer and Hilliard at WR, Tiki at Rb, Jeremy Shockey, and a better line which could still use some improvement. Yeah I'd say the Giants was a much more attractive choice.

Now on to what really matters...Matt Millen may actually being a fucking great GM. If you told me even a week ago that the Lions would draft Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Teddy Lehman to boot I'd of said you were drinking too much. I don't think there was a single team out there that pulled in so much talent. Thank you to the Bungles for drafting Chris Perry. I wouldn't have minded the Lions getting Perry at all, but when the Bungles drafted Perry over Kevin Jones Millen and Marriucci had to wet themselves. Oh man I can't wait for this season to begin. I just love Kevin Jones. I've been saying since August when college football season started that I hope Jones leaves school early so the Lions could draft him. I guess he needs to work on his receiving skills some, but I don't think I saw a better RB in college this season. Neither Stephen Jackson nor even Perry impressed me more than Jones, though to be fair I think I only saw Jackson once or twice. I can't wait until Joey "Ballgame" sticks it up the ass of all the nay sayers this year when he gets all this talent around him.

I also want to send out a giant FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to Michael Irvin for his knocking Roy Williams for going back to school for his senior year. Apparently in Michael Irvin land going back for a forth years shows that you don't really have enough love for the game. I heard Irvin say this earlier this week and I thought then he realized how stupid that sounded, but then he said it again and I realized that Irvin is just a total jackass. I did get a kick out of how he tried to back pedal his way out of his comments though.

[Benny]

The NFL Draft this year was very interesting to say the least. First of all, I'm really pissed about the who Eli Manning scenario. First of all, who doesn't want to go to San Diego? It's warm all year-round there, not like New York. They were in the Super Bowl only 10 years ago too. Also, since when can the draftee decide where he wants to go! What a pompous jerk! Finally, I hope he doesn't work out in New York mainly because I hate the Giants more than any other team in the league (after all I am an Eagles fan). The Giants losing that first-round pick next year will come back to haunt them.

I am convinced that Phillip Rivers is the next Ryan Leaf. Ben Rothlisberger (my choice for Heisman last year) would have made a better choice, he will be a good backup to T-Maddox in Pittsburgh.

Jeez, Kellen Winslow Jr. is a good player, but did the Browns have to give up so much to get him? The Lions by the way had a very good draft (along with the Cardinals). Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald will be awesome for both teams, respectively.

The Eagles once again had a mediocre draft... I did like them trading up to get that tackle though. I will never forget the spring of 1999 when all the Eagles fans in the crowd booed McNabb when we picked him #2 (they wanted Ricky Williams). I'm convinced McNabb was the better choice now, and I hope they are too.

R.I.P. Pat Tillman-- in an era of greedy bastards such as Eli Manning and Maurice Clarett, his story really stands out.

[TheDeadWalk]

I'll give the Eagles a little bit of due Benny. They landed the "steal of the draft" this year, by getting CB/FS Matt Ware from UCLA. This guy was on every mock draft list's first round. Excellent guy who's played both sides of the ball. Nice fit when you lost 2 premiere CB's.

What the fuck was up with ESPN and Minnesota talking shit like they needed a running back? We all know Bennet has turned to shit, but its their own fault for starting him! That team does excellent with Moe Williams, and they could probably even start speed demon Onterrio Smith this year.

Cincinatti drafting Perry.... I was drunk at the time, and still muttered out a "What the fuck..." with my mouth gapped open. I guess that's what you call Rudi insurance. * For reference, check out the Kansas City 2003 first round draft pick. *

As for late round coverage... Holy shit! Cinci just drafted a WR/KR in the fifth round... Maurice Mann from Nevada. Dude can run a 40 in 4.37! This could be Cincinatti's answer to the Michael Lewis/Dante Hall fad.:D

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
What the fuck was up with ESPN and Minnesota talking shit like they needed a running back? We all know Bennet has turned to shit, but its their own fault for starting him! That team does excellent with Moe Williams, and they could probably even start speed demon Onterrio Smith this year.

Please clarifiy. Minnesota did need a RB. With Bennet barely playing last year and no one on the roster behind Williams and Smith they desperately needed depth at RB. Plus "Its their own fault for starting him"? Puhlease. Im not going to argue that he is a world class running back but he is more than good enough (when healthly) for the job. In his second season starting he had the second highest ypc (5.1) and set an NFL record runs over 60+ yeards in three consecutive games. In the 8 games he played in last year he averaged 5 ypc.

Originally posted by Benny
The Eagles once again had a mediocre draft... I did like them trading up to get that tackle though. .

Reid was saying that he can (or will?) be playing guard but than again this pick makes no sense to me what-so-ever. Depth at guard (or tackle) for the Eagles wasnt great but it could have been addressed later. The eagles are in win now mode so why didnt they take an impact player (RB perhaps? They had the pick of the whole lot). Matt Ware is a steal if he can prove that he can stay in shape, which was one the reasons he slipped so much (plus a horrid pro day or combine...I forget which one.)

Collins will be in New York for one more season. He can't be traded or relaesed because of salary cap implications. I am not 100% sure of the number but I think his number is 5-7 million. Last time I checked the Giants had around $2 million under the cap so barring some VERY creative work by the NY Giants organization Collins should be staying. Anyone else feel that the Giants got severely ripped in the deal for Eli?

Weren't the Giants fans booing Eli not SD? I thought (but again I could be wrong) they were chanting 'Put on the the hat' or something to that effect.

Don't blame Eli for not wanting to go to SD. No o-line or recievers. Only LT. I can see this upcoming season for rivers going as so:
1. Passed play called.
2. Rivers comes to the line
3. Rivers looks at his recievers.
4. Rivers looks at his line.
5. Rivers looks at the defense.
6. Rivers turning to LT mouthing the word 'sorry' and audibling to a run play.

INteresting to see that Oakland went with Gallery. For a change building for the future. Amazing.

Matt Millen...wow. 2nd best running back (IMO) and another great reciever. Joey Harrington is going to have a hard on for a week. Look for the NFC North to get very very interesting now.

Goodbye Mike. Pack's first two picks? CB's. Go bitch somewhere else.

My steal of the draft goes to the Chargers for getting all they could out of the Giants and some more. The vikings come in a close second if Udeze is healthy.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think the fans were booing the Chargers in lieu of Eli , cause they started cheering him once the trade was announced . He took the heat because i doubt they even knew who to boo in the San Dog administration .


The Giants can release Collins if they want , but they would still be obligated to pay him , but i don't think it would count towards the cap since he won't be a member of the organization if they waive his rights . If they do that , it would free up some space to sign some O Lineman and maybe a corner and a D lineman . I'm not sure how the cap works exactly , so i'm only speculating , and you never know if some other team would want him in a trade , with the Giants eating at least half of his contract , that would be an attractive option for a prospective team , Collins for 3.5 mil , not too bad for an excellent QB who's proven , at least when he has decent protection .

[bmain77]

I'm fairly certain that Collins will be cut. It's my understanding that the Giants will be on the hook for about 2 million dollars which is the portion of his signing bonus that he is due for the season. However his salary, I think almost 6 million, would be off the books. THey said they intended to keep him around if they drafted Rothlisburger or Rivers, but if they got Eli they planned on throwing him right into the starting role. Actually with all the pieces in place in NY that probably is the wisest move.

I have a feeling until they reconstruct their line its going to be Drew Brees who takes all the beatings in San Diego.

Here is one for scary coincidences. Kevin Jones did a Reebok commercial where he puts on a Lions hat and says 'I'm a Lion.'

Anyone want to take bets on when Marshall Faulk gets injured and fantasy players all over the world clamor to pick up Stephen Jackson? I going with week 4.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Eli Manning is a Giant also I don't think the fans were happy to give up a 1st and 5th round pick next year for him man I like what San Diego got back in return.

I also like what the Redskins got with their pick Sean Taylor from all the things I hear about him he's going to be a great player.

RIP Pat Tillman that's too bad what happened to him he decided to serve in Afganistan and not take the money he would have gotten in the NFL it's too bad.

[chiefxcel]

Washington has done a tremendous job filling their holes in the offseason I think they're going to take their division this year. Brunell, Portis, Thrash, Daniels, Griffin, Barrow, Washington, Springs, Harris, and now Sean Taylor. What an offseason.

[dellamorte dellamore]

If the Giants win a Supe Bowl with EM , eventually , nobody will care what it took to get him , so it's all a matter of what type of success they experience that will determine how high a price they paid .

Yep , the Skins def improved themselves , and now with a great coach in there , they should be dangerous .

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Please clarifiy. Minnesota did need a RB. With Bennet barely playing last year and no one on the roster behind Williams and Smith they desperately needed depth at RB. Plus "Its their own fault for starting him"? Puhlease. Im not going to argue that he is a world class running back but he is more than good enough (when healthly) for the job. In his second season starting he had the second highest ypc (5.1) and set an NFL record runs over 60+ yeards in three consecutive games. In the 8 games he played in last year he averaged 5 ypc.



Yes, Bennet might have averaged 5 ypc in the 8 games he played last year, but keeping in mind that there are 16 games a season, that doesn't hold up for much. Moe Williams did a solid covering job, and I think Onterrio Smith could be this team's feature back this year. He's got talent and skills, and with Mo-Mo Bay backing him up gives defenses a running nightmare.

Bennet is just a Vikes version of Fred Taylor. He's a liability and you can't count on him. Send him to Oakland so he can rust, or cut him loose. With those two backs, they can pick up a scrub on the free agency market and not have to worry.

ESPN was making it sound like they needed someone like Stephen Jackson PRONTO. I don't think so, they landed a nice DE in Kenechi Udze to play on that D-Line where they are hurting the most.

Sota's got the Offense down pat, and their horrid defense that kept them from getting to the playoffs was their utmost priority. Especially when your playoff hopes went down the drain last season thanks to a Josh McCown hailmary. Who is Josh McCown again? Oh... that rookie qb from Arizona last year.

But seeing that the Vikes used 6 of 8 picks for defense is pleasing to see. They did however, land a fourth round pick on Tulane RB Mewelde Moore. I'm just glad they didn't waste a top rounder trying to get Jackson or Kevin Jones.

NFL.com front page:

The Giants gave up a lot to get Eli Manning at the 2004 NFL Draft, and now that list includes incumbent quarterback Kerry Collins. In a financial move, Collins is about to be released after five years in New York. "I figured there was no reason to hang around," Collins said.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
The Giants gave up a lot to get Eli Manning at the 2004 NFL Draft, and now that list includes incumbent quarterback Kerry Collins. In a financial move, Collins is about to be released after five years in New York. "I figured there was no reason to hang around," Collins said.

Well Collins dosen't want to hang around and you can't blame him either for it. The Giants should try and keep Collins or get a veteran QB it dosen't hurt to have one. Not like the Giants are going to do any better anyways.

Dammit I can wait for the damn NFL season to start and I thought it was bad going through 10 weeks of hockey withdrawl after the playoffs end for now I guess I'll have to live with my lineups on Madden 2004.

[TheDeadWalk]

Anyone wanna take bets on where Collins ends up?

My money's on the dolphins.

I could be wrong, maybe they learned their lesson about alcoholic quarterbacks from Brian Griese.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Anyone wanna take bets on where Collins ends up?


If he's released by the Giants as long as it's not the fucking Cowboys I'm happy.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
for now I guess I'll have to live with my lineups on Madden 2004.

And the CFL, of course. ;)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
And the CFL, of course. ;)

Oh yes that too which starts in about a couple of months and the Argos signed former Dolphins first round pick and last year's Vikings returner John Avery who lead Edmoton in rushing in 2001.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I wish somehow , in the spirit of Daylight savings time , we adopt summer savings time , and skip through the charade that's called the summer season ( at least in the Northeast ) , so there won't be a lull between the end of hockey season and the beginning of the football season :) .


Of course , it would be hell on the players , but great for the fans . If i could i would watch hockey almost everyday , and football every weekend of the year .


All i ever do now , during the summer , is not have fun in the sun , ( although watching some fatass geek trying to lose 30 pounds in two weeks by running 5 miles a day , after jerking off on the couch for the entire winter , is definitely a laugh ) , is wait , count down the days , until football and hockey season start again . Wouldn't be so bad if my islanders were still playing . But even if they won the cup , there would still be almost a three month wait for the real sports to begin again .


Freak the beach , and all the pretentious gymheads and tanning salon dwellers that go with it , give me an ice rink or the frozen tundra of a football field and i'm more than happy .

[TheDeadWalk]

Headlines in Yahoo Sports News...

- Jarrett Payton signs with the Titans

I always felt bad for this kid who has always been under pressure to live up to the standards of his father Walter. Tennessee is nice, but something tells me if he had landed in Denver, they could have really developed this kid.

- Jared Lorenzen signs with NYG, Jesse Palmer might be out the door.

Wow. What a way to back up your rookie quarterback with... another rookie quarterback. Way to go, Giants. I like Lorenzen, better known as "J Load" or "The hefty lefty" who has a helluva arm, but clocks in at damn near 300 lbs.

- Tommy Maddox meets with Cowher and bitches about contract again.

What's new. It is sad that Charlie Batch is on the bench making more money than him. His best bet is to ask for a restructuring of some sort and tell them that when the time comes he'd love to be their franchise backup. Its really his only solution that I can see. I don't see any other teams even wanting to let this guy visit their city for brunch. Especially not when Tim Couch can barely get negotiations going with Mike Sherman.

- Bledsoe takes a pay cut.

Smart. Very smart.

- Winslow Jr. and Browns may have trouble getting a contract.

All I can say is what the fuck.

[TheDeadWalk]

Where do you guys think Kurt Warner can walk in and start at?

I say Arizona and Miami.

I think if Warner goes to Miami and stays healthy, you can count them in for clinching the playoffs. Williams, Warner, Chambers and now David Boston... that's jizz leaking potential.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Where do you guys think Kurt Warner can walk in and start at?

Maybe the Barcelona Dragons or perhaps even the Frankfurt Galaxy. I really think Warner is all done. I'm sure he'll end up somewhere as a backup, but I really don't see him starting come week 1 of the season. There no starting sports open right now, plus there are already some more attractive qbs available (Couch, Collins, possibly Brees, and don't forget about Patrick Ramsy....he still can't be happy with that situation). I might even consider Kordell Stewart over Warner, so that tells you what I think about Warner these days. If i had to bet on it right now I'd say Warner will end up as the backup at a lower price still with the Rams or the Chiefs.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by bmain77
Maybe the Barcelona Dragons or perhaps even the Frankfurt Galaxy. I really think Warner is all done. I'm sure he'll end up somewhere as a backup, but I really don't see him starting come week 1 of the season. There no starting sports open right now, plus there are already some more attractive qbs available (Couch, Collins, possibly Brees, and don't forget about Patrick Ramsy....he still can't be happy with that situation). I might even consider Kordell Stewart over Warner, so that tells you what I think about Warner these days. If i had to bet on it right now I'd say Warner will end up as the backup at a lower price still with the Rams or the Chiefs.

Are you serious?!

Drunken Kerry Collins, Kordell 'Playin for Foodstamps' Stewart, Drew 'My birthmark is bigger than my talent' Brees, and Tim 'don't get me fucking started on that waste of space' Couch?!

Warner, a two-time NFL MVP who owns the highest passer rating in NFL history you don't think could start over the above listing of players?

At this point in time, I think Collins is the best of that bunch, and I think Warner could throw circles around him. His best days might be behind him now, but sheesh. Barcelona Dragons?

I think in Miami he would walk all over Fiedler, and in Arizona he could send McCown back to the bench. In Chicago, he'd be two shakes away from starting after Grossman flops (if). We've also got a Cardiac Cat team who starts Jake Delhomme with Rodney Peete at backup. Also we've got the San Fran 49ers who I don't really think will do all that well with Rattay behind the helm.

All of the above are currently average-at-besters who will likely have to sell their soul to get to the Pro Bowl this year. If I had to choose, I'd rather have an all-pro with rust on him than one of those guys behind the center.

[bmain77]

Ok I was pushing it with Kordell, but other than that I seriously would take any of the others over Warner. He needs to prove that physically and psychologically he's ready. He also needs to keep his yap shut about being persecuted because of his religious beliefs and needs to put a muzzle on that wife of his before I would even consider signing him.

The thing you need to notice about Collins vs. Warner is that no Rams are stepping forward saying they feel the team needs Warner and notice that the Giants are.

And give some respect up to Jake Delhomme. I doubted the dude all along, but with that comeback he made against the Pats in the super bowl I would sure as hell bank on him long before I would Warner.

I'm sure the Dolphins are out of the picture. Besides Fiedler they also got that qb from Philly whose name is escaping me just now (damn brain freeze) who looked great when Donovan went down last season and will probably end up starting in Miami.

Tim Couch is a good quarterback. Nobody can argue that he doesn't have the physical tools. I think he was stuck is one messed up organization now headed by a coach whom I think is in well over his head. He needs to get somewhere where he can get comfortable. Butch Davis is sinking fast in my book, with all kinds of questionable moves over the couple of years. Courch has never had that solid of a supporting cast. I mean when Kevin Johnson is you go to reciever for such a long time you've got some problems. Added to this is a lack of any decent running game.

[TheDeadWalk]

Here we go... things are starting to stir!

Kerry Collins met with the Raiders today, and now discussions are blooming about his possibility of being hired, and Gannon being dumped. While Collins has less rust on him than Gannon, I would STILL go with Warner over all three of them. Kurt fits the system, and with the #1 rated Left Tackle, and #1 rated Center rookies both going to Oakland this year, expect big things from their line; just what all three of these veteran qb's need to succeed.

Collins I think is a geek, I wouldnt want him on my fantasy team, but he's still scorching defenses with massive 250-300 yard passing games. The only trouble the giants had was actually getting through the redzone and scoring. They'd march all the way down the field and get shafted.

Also, Kurt Warner has met with the Giants. Good. If Manning starts this year, I totally expect him to get crushed.

[CrazyKillah]

As a life-long Giants fan, I can safely (and, unfortunately) say that the G-Men are gonna suck ass for the next couple of years. But, what's with all the Kerry Collins-hatin'? With a line in front of him, he's one of the top 3 pocket-passers in the NFL. He's played in a Super Bowl and another NFC championship game. If the Giants had a line last year and Shokey and Collins hadn't gotten hurt (along with their entire starting secondary) they would have been fine. He's only 31 years old. Personally, I hate the Giants office for letting a guy like this go. And don't start with the Drunken Collins bullshit. The man has turned his life and career around and deserves a second chance - shit, he deserves a starting job (he's better than 1/2 the guys that will start for their teams this year). I think the Raiders would be a great fit for him. OK, rant over :D

[TheDeadWalk]

But, what's with all the Kerry Collins-hatin'? With a line in front of him, he's one of the top 3 pocket-passers in the NFL.

I wouldn't say top three, but he's in there. I poke fun at Collins, but don't deny his ability to scorch the ball. His offense just fell apart in the red zone last year. It's one of the reasons he's not on the Giants team this year.

If the Giants had a line last year and Shokey and Collins hadn't gotten hurt (along with their entire starting secondary) they would have been fine.

Shockey is an elite tight end, but his hands still leave something to be desired. He's one of those guys I think could have really done well at fullback maybe.

Also, bear in mind ole Tiki Barber who caught a bad case of the fumbulitis last year.

And don't start with the Drunken Collins bullshit.

Hey man, I like to toss a few back myself in the evening. Just not along with the morning, afternoon, and while on the shitter.

(he's better than 1/2 the guys that will start for their teams this year).

Ok, this is the real reason I replied. I have nothing better to do at this time, so I'll give a rundown of QB's that Collins COULD start at. I will omit NYG for obvious reasons, so we've got 31 teams.

San Diego - Definately. Give Rivers a year.

Oakland - I'd at least let it be honest between him and Gannon. They both have potential to start over one another.

Arizona - Probably where he'd fit best right now I think. Mad talent at the receiving core this year!

Pittsburgh - Dump turnover Tommy while Broth gets to learn.

Chicago - I haven't seen any real signs saying Grossman is 'da man'.

Miami - Another place he could score in on.

Carolina - Delhomme is a clutch player and everyone loves him on here, but look at his game to game stats last year. A lot of games he had Michael Vick-like throwing stats. (IE: 9/22 103 yds 2 INT)
Not consistent.

San Francisco - Nuff said.

The only one I'd be on the fence about is the Dallas Cowboys.

So that's about 8 or 9/31 teams that he could start for. Not too shabby, but I would never consider him anywhere near the elite 3 in pocket passing, or even as my top 12 in overall QB's.

[CrazyKillah]

Fair enough :p I hope that you don't think that my response was in anyway intended to be directed at you, in particular, in any bad way... I just feel bad for Collins, a GOOD QB who turned himself and a team around and then got dumped for a fuckhead rookie - don't get me wrong, Manning may be the next Elway or Marino, but he has NO class and, as of this moment, NO NFL experience. This ain't the NCAA.

[horrorfreak13]

Most teams in the NFL are going with young guys at QB the 49ers want to go with Tim Rattay so Kerry Collins will be lucky if he ends up with a backup job anywhere.

Also another whiny bitch got his just desserts Troy Hambrick who whined about getting more time over Emmit Smith got released yesterday good luck finding a home somewhere he probably be a backup RB now.

[TheDeadWalk]

I hope that you don't think that my response was in anyway intended to be directed at you, in particular, in any bad way...

Not at all. I just love discussing football almost more than anything. Can't wait for the season to start up, especially in my friends' fantasy league. I also like diggin into some ribs now and again... That's what you're used to when you're a Browns & Bengals fan, and your girlfriend loves the Steelers...:rolleyes:

the 49ers want to go with Tim Rattay

Yes, they want to go with him, but now his health is in MAJOR question. First day of Minicamp he tore his groin and underwent surgery... he's not expected to be able to play for another four months... and by that mark, that's about mid-September. Ken Dorsey is slated to start until he can recover. And after the scare season that the Falcons had with Mike Vick, they may want to look for more insurance.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-rattaysidelinedbygro&prov=fanball&type=fantasy

[Cunning Visions]

I can't wait for the damn season to start already (or at least training camps). I'm a Dolphins fan and I must say...a lot of Finfans are some of the most fickle people I've ever seen! I go to Dolphins message boards and the majority of posts are negative some even saying we're in for a 5-12 season!

As for Collins/Warner/Gannon coming to Miami...highly doubtful. GM Rick Spielman gave next years 2 round pick to the Eagles for QB A.J. Feeley and it seems they want him to start this year (during mini-camps he split time with the 1st team offense with Fiedler). I just wish the best for the Dolphins this year and I'm looking foward to see our revamped offense...Ricky,Chambers,Boston and McMichael should make it interesting. :)
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2004-05/12500019.jpg

[bmain77]

I wish the Lions would get in on the Collins derby. I'm fairly confident that now he has some weapons to work with you're going to see the Joey "Ballgame" that you saw at Oregon. However if he is hurt or is indeed a flop I'm not real conident about having Mike McMahon or Rick Mirer as backups. There is a lot of talk about McMahon being traded before training camp anyways. A deal was almost done with the Browns during the draft (further proof that the Browns are badly run) and that seems to be the team with the most interest in him.

I guess Julius Jones is going one hell of a stud at running back. I don't question Bill Parcells eye for talent at all, but he must be damn sure that Jones is going to have a great rookie year to cut Hambrick like that. He wasn't making that much at all and if Jones doesn't pan out you could do a lot worse at RB than Hambrick. But then again I had high hopes for Hambrick at RB on my fantasy football team and he did nothing...so actually fuck him.

Back to the Collins/Gannon thing for a minute....I think I'd be more confident with Collins as my starter. The Raiders have a new coaching staff coming in. Gannon is known as a perfectionist to the point if being anal rententive when it comes to play calling and so on. There have been many clips in past years of Gannon blowing his top on the sidelines. Gruden probably liked that style. Callahan was a bit of a joke and probably was on the other end of Gannon's tantrums more than once. If I was a new coach I just might want someone less explosive and a bit younger as my QB. Collins has a lot of good years left. I have to think he might even be a better mentor if Marcus Tuiasophoweverthehellyouspellit is indeed the QB of the future. I think he was indeed the future they'd would have handed him the reins this year.

[TheDeadWalk]

Ricky Williams could be missing the first four games of this season ala Jimmy Smith of the Jax Jags of last year.

Its in regard to his second violation of the substance abuse policy, this offense is of course with marijuana.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4653/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcTFhbmEwBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0 bQ--

As a Browns fan, I know what its like, especially with the whole Willy Green fiasco. If I get to go to a game this year, I'd love to shout to Big Will: "Hey, is Green your last name or your nick name?"

[Cunning Visions]

Ricky Williams will not be facing any suspension time. It looks like he will pay a hefty fine though of somewhere between 600 to 800 grand! :eek:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-ricky15may15,0,3233090.story?coll=sfla-sports-front

[Moviefan1234]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7352949

Looks like Collins will be a Raider. I'm surprised he didn't try harder to go to a 'better' team. I don't see Oakland becoming a Super Bowl contender anytime soon, and if Collins is after a ring like they say this doesn't make much sense.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7352949

Looks like Collins will be a Raider. I'm surprised he didn't try harder to go to a 'better' team. I don't see Oakland becoming a Super Bowl contender anytime soon, and if Collins is after a ring like they say this doesn't make much sense.

The Raiders got the two best offensive linemen in the draft.

Scored in Free Agency to create what could be the best run D in the league.

Still have some solid DB's

Aging but still great Wideouts, plus Jerry Porter.

Gannon is aging, but can get it done with a proper line. (Same with Collins)

Tight Ends Doug Jolley and Teyo Johnson are solid.

The only other thing I can really question about the raiders is that they have mediocre running backs. But, if their line proves to be as good as its potential is, they will have a 1,000 yard rusher this year. Mediocre Back + Awesome O-Line = Emmitt Smith.

[Strider]

Kerry Collins is a Raider now? Well, that is some weird shit right there. Collins doesn't fit with the Raiders. So what happens to Rich Gannon now? Will he stay with the team, or go to another. Personally, I think Gannon should take advantage of the opportunity, and work out a reunion with Jon Gruden.

Strider

[bmain77]

The Raiders are switching to a more down the field passing offense which is much better suited to Collins arm than Gannon's. A Gannon/Chucky reunion seems to make sense, but Tampa Bay already has a butt load of qbs on staff.

Hopefully the Lions will keep an eye out for one of these veteran qb's to push Joey Harrington a little bit.

[TheDeadWalk]

I don't think Harrington needs pushed at all, if anything he just needs a better team to rally around him. If they start pressuring him and making him feel like he could lose his job, I think you might as well change his name to Akilli Smith, aka 'previous Bengals 1st round Quarterback X'

Harrington has those offensive weapons this year, Kevin Jones, Roy Wilson, not to mention the returning Charles Rogers if he stops being a bitch about his collarbone.

The only real question is going to be his offensive line, and if they can hold up for him and Jones. If they can, then D-Lo will be an offensive weapon. On the Defensive side of the ball, the jury is always out for the Lions.

[bmain77]

Part of my does wonder what it would do to Joey's psyche, but on the other hand what if Joey is a flop. THen we're stuck with Mike McMahon and Rick Mirer as back ups.

Don't get me wrong. I love Joey's game and his personality even more. His enthusiasm for the game in some ways reminds me a lot of Brett Farve. You don't understand how badly I want him to succeed.

But there is still a chance that he might not be a great qb and if thats the case the Lions need a better backup. Hell even if Joey is a stud, they still need to improve their backups bigtime. Unlike much of the Lions nation I don;t think McMahon is that good at all.

[TheDeadWalk]

McMahon's not great, but he's a solid backup. I like to compare him to the Browns' Kelly Holcomb.

He's great for a replacement in the midst of the game, or even the game after that if your QB needs a rest... but he can't start full-time because he's too predictable and defenses shut his scheme down, unless your playing against Arizona.

[bmain77]

It looks like another great or former great player bites the dust as the Titans are likely going to dump Eddie George. His performance the past two seasons has been subpar, but he literally carried the Titans on his back back when Steve Mcnair was incapable of throwing it to anyone except Frank Wycek. He accumulated a lot of mileage fast in his career. I think he still has some good seasons in him, but I don't really even have a guess about which teams would be interested in him. I think maybe the Raiders would have been but they've picked up Hambrick and Zeroue. The Eagles probably still need a running back unless they are that sold on Buckhalder and I hope they're not.

George along with Chris Spielman and Kurt Hurbstreit are about the only former Ohio State Buckeyes that I like. I hope he lands somewhere he can get a lot of playing time. I love backs who play like him, just absolutely running over everything in sight.

[TheDeadWalk]

Yeah but I could still see the raiders getting him, and then cutting Hambrick, keeping a safety valve for the 'potential' Amos Zereoue.

I would also go on a limb and say that with that team George would be sure to have a 1,000 yard season.

[horrorfreak13]

Eddie George could be a good pickup for any team he still has another good season or 2 just please Eddie stay the fuck out of the NFC East or to be more specific Dallas.

[bmain77]

I think Dallas would be crazy not to take a look at George. Parcells says he's sold on Julius Jones, but the guy never really impressed me in college. Then again he has forgotten more about football than I will ever know and i like to think I'm of above average intelligence when it comes to football.

Denver could be a possiblity as well with their stable of unproven and over the hill running backs.

[TheDeadWalk]

I think Denver knows how to mold their running backs. I'd almost venture to say that they could shape someone like Amos Zereoue into being a 1200 + yard rusher. There is just something in the air over there that helps them churn out those backs.

They could make something out of George, but to them, their arrogant enough to think that they don't need him. They could be right.

I hate to say it, but Eddie could be solid in Philadelphia.

[Samsonite]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I think Denver knows how to mold their running backs. I'd almost venture to say that they could shape someone like Amos Zereoue into being a 1200 + yard rusher. There is just something in the air over there that helps them churn out those backs.

They could make something out of George, but to them, their arrogant enough to think that they don't need him. They could be right.

I hate to say it, but Eddie could be solid in Philadelphia.


Agreed. That something that helps churn those rb's is that o line. they work together like no other line in the league. they are all excellant run blockers. you could stick any rb in the league and they will get a 1000 yard back out of him. denver knows this, thats y they passed on steven jackson in the draft. i wasnt the least bit surprised when they did. y spend the money on George when they simply dont need it

[bmain77]

But Denver has lost their offensive line guru, Alex Gibbs, to the Atlanta Falcons. Plus I believe there has been a little bit of turnover on their line. I fully expect Cornelius Griffin the emerge as the go to guy. I liked him in college and the one game I saw him play in last season he looked fantastic. I just have to believe their streak of just plugging in rb after rb with such success has to end soon.

I fully expect Eddie George to end up with the Raiders. Thats a decent "thunder and lightening" combination with him and Zeroue. It'd also fit in well with what Collins would bring to the table as the eventual starter in LA. They could really set up a nice play action game with Jerry Porter at WR and Teyo Johnson at TE.

[Samsonite]

i dont think losing gibbs will hurt them THAT much. sure, hes the best at what he does but i doubt the 5 linemen do what they do because of him. their streak will end when nalen retires (how old is he, 38?) maybe then, or an injury will stop the broncos line. and about george, i dont see how tennesee could give up a leader like him. one of the nicest guys in the locker room i hear. if i were them, i would re sign him for less money cuz tennessee is where he wants to stay. if not, then he will definately go to oakland. oakland would have done pretty good this offseason if this happens. ted washington, warren sapp (no running up the middle against them!), jason gildon (from wut i hear, is proabaly gonna happen), george, gallery, collins, plus a offensive genius in norv turner. not bad...

[TheDeadWalk]

I agree, but George wouldn't take less money...

[horrorfreak13]

I think you might see George cut hopefully he dosen't end up in Dallas.

The Giants signed Kurt Warner today that still isn't going to fix their woes they still need a RB that won't become butterfingers once he hits the opponents 25 yard line.

The Redskins released Trung Candidate, Jerimah Trotter, and David Fiore which weren't surprises with Portis you don't need Candidate, Trotter was a salary cap casualty(please go anywhere else but the Giants, and Eagles) and David Firoe might retire anyways.

[e_lateralus]

I have to say that I am finding myself more and more interested in the 2004-2005 NFL season as tiem goes on. Though I love all football Im more of a college football man (Geaux Tigers) so its kind of strange for me to say that.

Im really interested in seeing the drafted players (especially the ones Ive seen play live in college) can do (Manning, Gallery, Fitzgerald, Clayton, etc). Plus many of the teams have filled the holes they had last year (Patriots and Eagles mainly). So, since Im starting to grow weary of baseball, Im REALLY looking forward to this years season. BTW Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.

[TheDeadWalk]

Looks like Eddie George is indefinately gone from the Titans now.

On yahoo sports, he was quoted as saying that Philly, Dallas, and Tampa Bay are areas of interest for him.

Whoa. Dallas? Philly? It can't be...

Personally, I can see him going to the Giants, and Tiki Barber getting cut and going to one of those places.

[bmain77]

I still think we're going to see George in Oakland. I could also see the Giants, but I don't see them cutting Tiki loose. They are going to need him as a safety valve for Eli this season. I could see Tiki putting put some huge receiving numbers this year. Manning has some very good wide recievers, but I see him dumping it off a lot to Barber and Shockey this season as he starts to build up his confidence.

Apparently to the gamblers out there have tabbed the Lions as this seasons Carolina Panthers. So far in Vegas Detroit is the teams the Phil Mickelsons and Pete Roses of the world are putting money down on to be the suprise of the season. I think they're vastly improved, but I'm not willing to go that far.

[TheDeadWalk]

First, I don't see Eddie in Oakland. They've spent too much time and money on new RB's this year just to find that they still favor Tyrone Wheatley.

I also don't expect Eli Manning to be a shoe-in for the starting job in New York. I know you don't care for Warner, but a rookie from Ole Miss isn't going to suddenly beat out a guy who was the league's best player a few years ago. You get old and you fade, but you don't just turn into total shit. Warner will get it done in NY for at least the first eight weeks. I'd refer you to a depth-chart, but on the Giants page they still have Kerry Collins on the roster!

As for Detroit, I project them to go 5-11, with their BEST potential to finish 8-8, or have a 25% chance of making the playoffs by going 9-7. They're too young and raw.

[TheDeadWalk]

It's weird also that every year someone posts a picture of David Boston and his mongoloid muscles just two months before he... does nothing.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
It's weird also that every year someone posts a picture of David Boston and his mongoloid muscles just two months before he... does nothing.

I've wondered if Balco didn't have an office in the Phoenix area. I mean look at the the build of both Boston and Michael Pittman. Those two guys have two of the most impressive looking bodies I've ever seen in the NFL. I tend to think Boston's might work against him though. It's just not physically possible to ripped like that and still have the flexibility and agility needed to play WR in the NFL. Guys like TO, Moss, and even Jerry Rice are are well built, but nothing like that. But then again ANdre Johnson has a similar build and he looked real good last season.

You know I actually forgot Warner was with the Giants. I think chances are he's going to start the season, but I think he's going to have a short chain. You don't pay a #1 pick that much and not play him. The only reason Palmer didn't hit the field last year was that the Kitna and the Bengles were in a playoff race as the season wound down.

And you're right. I don't care for Warner at all. I just think he benefitted a lot from the system he played in. As Marshall Faulk went south because of injuries and jackass play calling Warner went down the tubes. I really honestly think he just ended up in the right place and the exactly right time. And I don't see the situation in New York being any better for him. He's not a youngster at all. With all the years of Arena Football and NFL europe their is a fair amount of miles on his tread. He'll be looking over his shoulder at Manning as he was Bulger in St. Louis. The Giants have a very good set of recievers and runners, but still not in the same caliber of the Rams. Plus the Giants still don't have much of a line.

I'll give the guy his due. He had a great run while it lasted. He derserved all the accolades that came with it. I just really think he's done.

My prediction for the Lions is 7-9. I think the offense will put up a lot of points, but I don't see the defense scaring anyone yet. THey made some good pickups, but I still don't see where the pass rush is going to come from. The safeties don't impress me at all. With the DT's and LB's teams aren't going to be able to run much, but I see them carving the Lions up through the air.

Kevin Jones is still my pre season pick for Rookie of the Year. Mooch can't stop talking about him. I wasn't expecting immediate returns from Roy Willliams but Joey Herrington has been raving about his play through all the mini camps and stuff. At the very least they will be fun to watch.

[chiefxcel]

BREAKING NEWS

Ricky Williams to retire.

"Is he another Robert Smith? Is he bothered by persistent drug rumors? Whatever the reason, Dolphins star running back Ricky Williams, 27, has told the team he is retiring after just five NFL seasons, the Miami Herald reported Saturday night." - ESPN

[sharkstank]

yup,my uncle just told me and i was shocked. HAHAHAHAHAHAH to dolphin fans

ESPN.com news services
Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams has told the team he plans to retire after just five NFL seasons, The Miami Herald reported on its Web site early Sunday morning.


Ricky Williams
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2003 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
392 1372 9 50 351 1




"He wants to get on with his life, wants to move on to bigger and better things," Herald reporter and ESPN commentator Dan Le Betard told SportsCenter.


According to the Herald's report, Williams wants to travel the world and is tired of the demands and restraints of a professional football career.


"I just don't want to be in this business anymore," Williams told the paper. "I was never strong enough to not play football, but I'm strong enough now. I've considered everything about this. Everyone has thrown every possible scenario at me about why I shouldn't do this, but they're in denial. I'm happy with my decision.


"I'm finally free. I can't remember ever being this happy."


According to Le Batard, the Dolphins are stunned by the news and members of the organization are still trying to talk Williams out of his decision, one the Herald says should be finalized this week when Williams faxes his retirement papers to the league.


Listening to Williams, who plans to travel to Asia without a return ticket, that appears unlikely.


"I have no idea what I'm going to do," he told the Herald. "Who knows? I just know it is going to be fun. Going to school again. Going to travel for the next six months. I'm halfway intelligent. I'll figure something out. I don't feel like I have to explain myself to anyone. All I end up doing anyway is giving rebuttals, and it is boring. I don't want to do it anymore. That's it. I don't want to do this anymore. If people really care about me, that would be enough for them."


His stunning retirement ends one of most unusual NFL careers in recent history. The Saints traded away almost an entire draft to make him their first-round choice in 1999, the fifth pick overall. To spice up his arrival, the Heisman winner out of the University of Texas wore a wedding dress for photo opts with the coach who engineered the trade -- former Saints coach Mike Ditka.


Unfortunately for Williams, New Orleans was a place that became a personal hell. He developed a personality disorder that required medication and often wore his helmet during interviews. He rushed for only 884 and 1,000 yards during the first two seasons with the Saints. After a 1,245 yard season in 2001, former Saints general manager Randy Mueller traded him to the Dolphins for two first-round picks and a swap of fourths in 2002.


In Miami, his career flourished. He trained harder, cutting his weight from 250 pounds to 228. In 2002, Williams led the NFL with 1,853 yards and was named to his first (and only) Pro Bowl. Last season, Williams rushed for 1,372 yards on 392 attempts, averaging 3.5 yards per carry. Over his two years in Miami, Dolphins coach Dave Wannstedt made Williams the focal point of his offense, rushing him 775 times -- the most carries in the NFL.


For his career, Williams rushed for 1,000 or more yards in four of his five NFL seasons, totalling 6,354 yards on 1,589 carries and 41 touchdowns. Williams also had 1,806 receiving yards on 229 catches.


Williams was scheduled to make $3.735 million in a contract set to expire in 2006. But it's not the first time he's walked away from a fortune. With the Saints, he signed an unusual contract that paid him more than $10 million in signing bonus in 1999, but he was willing to accept minimum salaries for the remainder of the deal, hoping to make up the difference in incentives.


Financially, the deal was a disaster. The Saints challenged him to be the most productive back in NFL history to make those incentives. To hit the big dollars, Williams would have had to gain more than 6,400 yards in his first four seasons. Despite his productivity, Williams fell short of those numbers in five seasons.


This is also not the first time Williams skipped off to a foreign country on short notice. During one offseason in Miami, Williams went on a European vacation without informing Saints management. They were left scrambling to try to find him.


Williams won the Heisman Trophy in 1998 while at Texas and was considered one of the greatest backs in college backs in history. Williams seemed to enjoy the college game more than the NFL.


The Dolphins might have been tipped off that this might be an unusual season for Williams when management learned through a newspaper story Williams had failed a drug test and was being docked four games' pay this season.

WWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bmain77]

The only bad thing I'll say about Rickey WIlliams is that it is sort of an asshole move on his part to wait this until this last in the offseason to retire. Now the Dolphins have no decent options out there to pick up. If he did this a week ago Eddie George and Antwoine Smith would have been availiable.

That being said, I've always been a big fan of Rickey WIlliams because he is such an individual. He marches to the beat of his own drummer. I respect that. I knd of envy him. You could do a lot worse than travel the world and smoke dope.

[Moviefan1234]

Ricky Williams just went up a notch in my book. Screwing the fish over, what Bills fan can't like that. :D

Seriously, I've always liked Ricky Williams. I think he'll be back before long, I don't think he'll stay retired for more than a year.

[Rated R]

I think Ricky is using terrible judgment. He is being awfully inconsiderate to his teammates, his coach, his fans and his organization. There are two alternative ways he could have handled it that would have been much more respectful.

First, as has been mentioned, he could have reached this decision and announced it before the likes of Eddie George were off the market.

Second, he could announce that he will play this season and retire after the season is over. It would give the fish time to look at other possibilities and he would not have single handedly destroyed their season.

I say he destroyed their season because their offense is designed to work with him, he is the core of their attack. Now they have Travis Minor, who has not demonstrated the capability to be a starting RB in the NFL. A third down back at best. Sure David Boston has been added, but he is a risk, and now that there is no running game in Miami, he's going to have a lot on his plate and could possibly fall flat, most likely will. Especially since the Quarterback situation is not a very positive one in South Florida. A.J. Feely is not the answer, Jay Fiedler has not been the answer either. Sage Rosenfels hasn't even been given a chance, and he will probably never see a start for the Dolphins.

While the defense is still solid, they are aging, and the contract situation with Adewale Ogunleye is starting to become a hinderance as well. Dave Wannstedt's job is not going to last the season unless he finds away to sign Ogunleye to a long term deal, solve the QB and RB problems and win. Chances are these will not all be solved, but only one matters most, and that's the WIN factor. If the Dolphins do not make progress this season, as in make it past the second round of the playoffs, Wanny is gone and the fish could possibly enter a rebuilding phase. Not what I want to see, nor what any fish fan wants.

Ricky Williams did not handle this well at all, go travel the world and smoke your weed, you might not care now, but in the future you may regret the fact that you could have been one of the greatest Running Backs of all time and you threw it away.

-Jason "Rated R" Wilson

[TheDeadWalk]

Ricky Williams has always been a serious fucking headcase.

Figure that in before you take that big draft pick, or opt for that mongoloid trade.

If the Chargers had looked into Ryan Leaf a bit better, they would have Peyton Manning today.

[Benny]

Five years ago, the Eagles had the second pick in the NFL Draft, Wisely, they chose Donovan McNabb, who became the face of the organzation. But if you recall Eagles fans were not happy. They booed when McNabb was selected, because they wanted Ricky Williams, even though they needed a QB much more than a RB at the time.

Now I bet those fans aren't booing...

[bmain77]

I think the next best RB left on the market is James Stewart. During his time in Detroit I much appreciated the effort and heart he brings to the table, but he's just not a good #1 back unless he's surrounded by great talent. Other than him I'm not sure what else is out there.

I can think of a couple possible trades though:

#1. TJ Duckett from Atlanta-The Falcons are going to a West Coast offense which means Duckett going to have to share a lot of time with Warrick Dunn, a situation that I'm sure is starting to wear on him. I'm not sure he's going to ever be a great RB in the NFL, but if he is I think Miami runs a system better suited to his talents. Plus there have been rumors that have popped up a couple times in the past about the Falcons moving him.

#2. And the one I would love to see occur is Anthony Thomas. I know he's not happy being pushed aside in favor of Thomas Jones, but he's also a classiest enough guy to not become a nuisance in the lockerroom which might actually work against him here. Chicago can keep him around just in case Thomas Jones busts (and my gut says it going to happen). But it seems like a good fit. He's no Ricky Williams for sure, but he does have similiar running style though not quite as fast. He also has good hands for a running back of his size. Again my Maize and Blue goggles are tinting my vision here, but I'm convinced that Thomas is still a good NFL running back. If I'm Miami I'm on the phone with Chicago right now.

Other possibiliities: Cleveland appears to be all done with William Green. He might be worth the risk. Minnesota has a couple of good backup rbs.

Bon Voyage Rickey...I'll miss ya. It took me about 5 mintues to forgive Barry for ditching the Lions so I really have no grudge against you for doing the same to the Lions. I hope you do comeback, but I don't see it happening. Smoke a big fattie for me and enjoy those Thailand hookers.

[bmain77]

I think I may have one more spot open in the all schmoe fantasy football league. If you are interested let me know by sending a private message or posting a note over in the thread running right now.

We've got 13 teams right now and I'll likely need a 14th. I haven't heard from the person the spot was intended. We're doing a live draft on Aug. 14th at 11:45 pm (EST). It's being run on yahoo.

[horrorfreak13]

Ok first off Eddie George with Dallas NOOOOOOO!!!! I didn't want him in the same division as my Redskins well Dallas needs all the help they can get since it will be difficult making the playoffs with a tougher schedule at least it seems tougher but you can't predict how all your opponents end up.

As for Ricky Williams this is a complete asshole thing to do retire with 1 week to go in training camp and there is really no one left in free agency (well I think Trung Candidate is still available).

It's a big blow to the Dolphins since this more than likely kills their Wild Card hopes.

[e_lateralus]

Even though this did suprise me, it really didnt "shock" me as much as I thought it would have. Lets look at Ricky....no really look at him and the things hes done. He was a head case in college, hes a head case now and Im sure he always WILL be a headcase.

But yes that is a real asshole thing to do, this close to camp. ESPN thinks this might even cause Wandstat his job:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=wojnarowski_adrian&id=1846248

Which is just ridiculous considering, coaches have enough to do besides worry about further spoiling a bunch of spoiled millionares.

[TheDeadWalk]

He may not be a millionaire headcase for long...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZ2NvMjltBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-dolphins-williams&prov=ap&type=lgns

He may have to pay the Dolphins back $8 million dollars, and 3.3 million of his signing bonus.

Hope he bought a lot of Healthy Choice pudding, because after its all said and done the motherfucker is going to need some serious frequent flyer miles if he wants to do any traveling with his broke ass.

And I wonder how much weed you could get for an ounce of pudding in trade.

[horrorfreak13]

Eli Manning gets a $54 million contract and a $20 million signing bonus man do I ever seriously hope the Giants fail.

While back on the Ricky Williams thing he failed his 3rd drug test for marijuana and appears that was an escape for him in fact he said

"I didn't quit football because I failed a drug test, I failed a drug test because I was ready to quit football"

Ok at least we know the reason or sort of.

[e_lateralus]

I know alot of people are going to disagree with me on this, but, I see no reason why Eli will be nearly as good as his brother or father, if he even gets past 2nd string. Ive seen him play in person, twice and I was never impressed. Combine that with his shitty practices with the Giants and I believe something can be said for his overratedness. Obviously you just never know who will be good in the NFL so well just have to see what happens. I would like to add however that I would laugh my ass off if Eli's "tubby" SEC QB counterpart (Kentucky's Jared Lorenzen) starts more than he does. Oh the irony would be delicious :D.

[horrorfreak13]

I don't disagree but probably since I'm as big of a fan of college football as most of the others I probably would have to see him first man will I ever be glad when LaVar Arrington pounds his ass to the ground next season or Kurt Warner whoever starts for the Giants

[bmain77]

I thought Eli was a little overrated in college too, but if you stop and think about it he didn't have a whole lot of talent around him and still put up good numbers and gave some good teams some games. I still say though that Eli is going to be a great qb in the NFL because he was "it." "It" being that undefinable quality the people like Ryan Leaf, Cade Mcnown, David Klinger or any other QB bust didn't have. It's that same "it" that I didn't see in Carson Palmer in all his years at USC and why I still predict he'll flop.

I know it's a very weak argument to make, but stop and look at some of the great qbs in NFL history and then look at the all time busts. Really Payton Manning and Ryan Leaf are the best comparison. Put two pictures of Leaf and Payton next to each other and in my mind the difference almsot jumps out right at you. Perhaps I'm crazy. It's in the way they carry themselves on and off the field. Obviously there is a maturity factor involved.

I will say I didn't see alot of it in Philip Rivers, but I also see as many others have pointed out alot of Bret Favre in Rivers so that makes up for a lot.

BTW....Roy Williams give your agents a kick in the ass and tell them to at least make an a counter offer to Lions or at least acknowlege the offer made by the Lions. One good thing you can always say about the Lions is that they get their draft picks in on time and right now Roy is the first major rookie holdout the lions have had since Bryant Westbrook. Maybe it has something to do with Longhorns.

[e_lateralus]

While I can see what youre talking to some extent (how do you explain Joe Namath, though I feel he is overrated) about I disagree about Ole Miss's talent. If you can find any older footage, take a look at some of the catches they made: Alot of them were very nice catches that, if anything, were passes that Eli left them out to dry on. Like I said, however, you just never know who will be good in the NFL. So well see.

I just cant believe Winslow turning down an offer to make him the richest Tight End in NFL history.....as a friggin rookie. That is why I hope he is either a flop or ridden with injuries, the jackass. That also adds to me lack of respect for Miami's (the University's) talents attitude.

[bmain77]

I breathed a giant breath of relief when the Lions took Williams. I was scared to death that Detroit would take Winslow Jr. Not that I don't think he'll be good, but he's not worth the hassle thats going to come along with having him on your team. I think he believess he actually should be paid better than Eli Manning. You might be good, but you're still just a TE so deal with it.

In my opinion Papa Winslow is a much bigger jackass than Papa Manning was in the whole mess between San Diego and the Mannings. He was charging agents thousands of dollars to just sit down and discuss the possiblity of representing Jr. Talk about having a little bit of an inflated ego.

[e_lateralus]

Yes, just a "little bit" huh? :rolleyes: :D , Those jackasses, I didnt know that was going on. Well this all goes back to the fact that atheletes are paid way too much money, and, as a result, they have become (mostly) a bunch of bitchy millionares.

[bmain77]

Ok i'm getting desperate now....I need just one more person to fill out my league. I really don't want to have to drop someone who has already signed up. So if interested head over to Yahoo.

Here's the info:

league id no.: 167962
password: morecowbell

first come first serve

whoever signs up will be one of my all time favorite schmoes!

[TheDeadWalk]

I'd love to join, but can't do that live draft thingy.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by e_lateralus
I just cant believe Winslow turning down an offer to make him the richest Tight End in NFL history.....as a friggin rookie. That is why I hope he is either a flop or ridden with injuries, the jackass. That also adds to me lack of respect for Miami's (the University's) talents attitude.

Thank god the Redskins took Sean Tatlor instead of him. Actually I would blame Winslow's agent(can't remember name) from what I hear he is famous for driving up the price for his players.

[bmain77]

You know the Browns really have to be hating the Cardinals right now. I'm sure Winslow is going to now try and argue he's deserves almost as much if not more. Myself I can see paying a WR that much money. They must be really expecting Fitzgerald to be a stud immediately.

[e_lateralus]

First: Fitzgerald could be an immediate success. Remember that, even though it was in college, he was being double even triple teamed practically all season but still put up the great numbers he did.

Second: Even if it is the jackass's agent driving up his price, he still has the final say in not only which agent to hire, but which conract to accept. I just hate spoiled punks.

Third: That must be exactly why Gibb's did not draft Winslow...he didnt want his premadonna attitude. Why draft a player you know will demand too much money? Why even draft a player you know wont hesitate to "go off" (baically bitch and moan) on his coaches and teammates just becuase things arent quite going his way?

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by e_lateralus
First: Fitzgerald could be an immediate success. Remember that, even though it was in college, he was being double even triple teamed practically all season but still put up the great numbers he did.

Second: Even if it is the jackass's agent driving up his price, he still has the final say in not only which agent to hire, but which conract to accept. I just hate spoiled punks.

Third: That must be exactly why Gibb's did not draft Winslow...he didnt want his premadonna attitude. Why draft a player you know will demand too much money? Why even draft a player you know wont hesitate to "go off" (baically bitch and moan) on his coaches and teammates just becuase things arent quite going his way?

His premadonna attitude wasn't what kept them from drafting him. They made a statement stating that it was because he was being represented by the Poston brothers.

The skins had TERRIBLE negotiations with linebacker LaVar Arrington due to these assholes who think that every player they represent deserves a 90 million dollar contract. The negotiations with Arrington were so horrible, they have vowed to never draft a player represented by these two fucks.

As a Browns fan, I can tell the way its shaping... for many years to come we will still talk about the fumble, the helmet, and now... the Poston debacle.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
They made a statement stating that it was because he was being represented by the Poston brothers.

It could be worse. He could be represented by Scot Boras. Now there's a real douchebag and here's to hoping he never makes a major move into representing football players.

Kind of a shocker out of Dallas today with their cutting loose of Quincy Carter. I think they must be using his positive test for a banned substance as the biggest reason, but I think it's just working out as convenient one. Either Drew Henson or that Robo, ROmo, or Homo whatever his name is must be looking really good in camp. They can't be realistically expecting Testaverde to be their starter for a whole season. Again Parcells is a coaching god in my opinion, but there's no way I'd be putting that much trust on the 40 year testaverde with a few hundred thousand miles of tread on his body.

Somebody's going to get a steal in Carter. I think he's got a lot of run left in him. He didn't look that bad at all last season getting his team into the playoffs with a less than talented surrounding cast. He actually really impressed me at times.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
Kind of a shocker out of Dallas today with their cutting loose of Quincy Carter. I think they must be using his positive test for a banned substance as the biggest reason, but I think it's just working out as convenient one. Either Drew Henson or that Robo, ROmo, or Homo whatever his name is must be looking really good in camp. They can't be realistically expecting Testaverde to be their starter for a whole season. Again Parcells is a coaching god in my opinion, but there's no way I'd be putting that much trust on the 40 year testaverde with a few hundred thousand miles of tread on his body.

Somebody's going to get a steal in Carter. I think he's got a lot of run left in him. He didn't look that bad at all last season getting his team into the playoffs with a less than talented surrounding cast. He actually really impressed me at times.

I don't think Testaverde is much better than Carter if you ask me now yes I'm a Redskins fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion but there are 25 QBs in the league I would take ahead of Carter if i'm Arizona or San Francisco I'd take a look because they don't have a lot of depth at QB especially the 49ers since after Rattay there's ?????, and Arizona after um....... ok someone remind me who's their starter again?

Speaking of shockers how about WR Tim Brown getting cut lose by the Raiders I wonder who's going to pick him up.

I remember the horrifying negotiations with LaVar Arrington I can tell you from a Redskins fan I am very happy the drafted Sean Taylor than Winslow his agent was a reason they didn't draft Winslow and I like Taylor from what I hear and seen from the highlights of some of his play in college.

[Morgana]

Originally posted by bmain77
They can't be realistically expecting Testaverde to be their starter for a whole season. Again Parcells is a coaching god in my opinion, but there's no way I'd be putting that much trust on the 40 year testaverde with a few hundred thousand miles of tread on his body.



Oh come now, Vinny is my star QB. If I get a shit for a QB (who gets injured in preseason) in fantasy league like last year... at least I'll know I can sift through the garbage and find Vinny in there again. ;)

I'm rather surprised by Dallas' decision myself. But then the NFL is full of surprises this summer. Ricky Williams, Tim Brown, Quincy Carter... who am I forgetting?

[bmain77]

Hey damn it the Cardinals have John Navarre. I have to stick up for my fellow Wolverines even if I didn't like him too much while he was at the Big House. :D

Sean King though with the Cardinals does intrigue me. Like Carter in Dallas I though King didn't look bad at all in Tampa Bay his first couple of years. He even got them to a NFC championship game one season. If and when McCown falls out of Dennis Greens favor you heard it here first if King steps in and does very well. I think he was just the victim of getting caught and fell between the cracks when Gruden took over. He's got a decent enough arm and good mobility plus one hell of a good young set of recievers to work with. Now I'll keep my mouth shot before I give away any more of the people I'm secretly keeping an eye fantasy wise....ahem so how bout that Kordell Stewart and Shannon Sharpe. :D

One of the local sportstalk guys said he has heard from those in the know in Dallas that Drew Henson has been tearing it up in camp and has been the best QB by far. That makes me happier than a pig in shit. Henson is easily the best QB I ever saw play at UM...even better than Brady, Griese, Grbac, or Harbaugh. I had no doubt he'd be good in the NFL, but not this soon. I honestly think he'll be ranked right up there near the top when it is all said and done.

[sharkstank]

timmy :(
COWBOYS: HA
DOLPHINS: HA
nfl live is back on espn!

WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
Sean King though with the Cardinals does intrigue me. Like Carter in Dallas I though King didn't look bad at all in Tampa Bay his first couple of years. He even got them to a NFC championship game one season. If and when McCown falls out of Dennis Greens favor you heard it here first if King steps in and does very well. I think he was just the victim of getting caught and fell between the cracks when Gruden took over. He's got a decent enough arm and good mobility plus one hell of a good young set of recievers to work with. Now I'll keep my mouth shot before I give away any more of the people I'm secretly keeping an eye fantasy wise....ahem so how bout that Kordell Stewart and Shannon Sharpe. :D

One of the local sportstalk guys said he has heard from those in the know in Dallas that Drew Henson has been tearing it up in camp and has been the best QB by far. That makes me happier than a pig in shit. Henson is easily the best QB I ever saw play at UM...even better than Brady, Griese, Grbac, or Harbaugh. I had no doubt he'd be good in the NFL, but not this soon. I honestly think he'll be ranked right up there near the top when it is all said and done.

The Cardinals can have any QB they want they still will go 4-12

As for Drew Henson well it dosen't matter if he starts or Testaverde I don't think they improve from last year's 10-6 and come back down to earth their division is tougher and no one will be surprised by them this year

[Rated R]

So Ricky Williams says he;s interested in returning to the NFL next season...but with Oakland! So I guess his retirement was not a way to connect with his Jamaican bretheren, but a mere ploy to escape his current contract! Why? I mean, what happened in South Florida that would cause him the audacity to fuck his team, my team, the Miami Dolphins? Now I have even less respect for this head case! Has the talent, but he's in worse favor with me than Patrick Roy was when he left the Canadiens, I'm only now getting over that!

[Moviefan1234]

Can't blame a guy for not wanting to be a Dolphin. ;)

Okay, biases aside, it wasn't a very classy move by Ricky Williams. But at least Buffalo won't have to deal with trying to tackle that brick wall twice a year anymore. He also needs to lay off the pot, it's really going to come back and bite him one day more than just a four game suspension.

[bmain77]

Rickey Williams in Raiders uniform excites me more than when they drafted Sebastion Janikowski. This just proves that some things are meant to be. I'm telling you this is right out of Magnolia. I think it must be one of the deleted scenes that didn't make the movie.:D

[e_lateralus]

From ESPN.com

HOUSTON -- In the latest catastrophe for the star-crossed Miami Dolphins, the team said late Friday night that wide receiver David Boston will miss the entire 2004 season after he suffered a knee injury earlier in the day during a practice with the Houston Texans.

The five-year veteran underwent an MRI exam of his left knee Friday evening to help determine the severity of the injury. While the Dolphins did not comment on the nature of the injury, it is believed the tests revealed a torn patella tendon.

"It is anticipated that the injury will require surgery that will sideline him for the season," Miami coach Dave Wannstedt said in a statement late Friday. "Further details of his condition will be available following the conclusion of the surgery."

It is not known when surgery will be performed. Boston almost certainly will be placed on injured reserve.

Boston, who was acquired this offseason in a trade with the San Diego Chargers, was running a fade route during the "team" portion of the practice, when his left knee seemed to buckle under him. There was no contact on the play, as Boston was covered by rookie cornerback Dunta Robinson, the Texans' first-round draft choice.

Robinson said Boston planted to make a cut and then went down, screaming. Boston, 25, was taken from the field on a cart. He was lying on a trainer's table in the Texans' complex, with a soft cast from his hip to his ankle, but declined to discuss the injury when approached by a reporter.

The Dolphins acquired the enigmatic Boston to pair with young standout receiver Chris Chambers, who on Thursday signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension. The loss of Boston, preceded by the sudden retirement of tailback Ricky Williams last week, now further weakens an already suspect Dolphins offense.

Miami was having a problem locating a player for the No. 3 wideout spot. Now the club will be forced to come up with a starter. One player in whom Miami might be interested is veteran Keenan McCardell, who has not reported to the Tampa Bay Bucs' training camp because of a contract dispute.

Before the injury to Boston, team officials said Friday they were not interested in free agent Tim Brown, who was released by the Oakland Raiders on Thursday. Of course, the loss of Boston for the year could alter that.

The first-round pick of Arizona in 1999, Boston played four seasons for the Cardinals before signing with the Chargers as a free agent in 2003. He had an uneven season on and off the field in San Diego and the Chargers gave up on him after just one season.

For his career, Boston has 311 catches for 4,619 yards and 25 toucdowns. He has played in 70 games and started 61 of them.

The Dolphins acquired Boston on March 18 for former first-round cornerback Jamar Fletcher and a conditional sixth-round pick in the 2005 draft.


Man, who ever4 said Boston sucked was all too true, that is friggin ridiculous. First: I have no idea why he is so popular and talked about, even when he does play hes not very spectacular. Second: This ass is payed millions, basically to do nothing. Jeez.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
It's weird also that every year someone posts a picture of David Boston and his mongoloid muscles just two months before he... does nothing.

7-22-04

:D

[e_lateralus]

EXACTLY...good call TheDeadWalk.

[bmain77]

Barry Sanders's dad is a giant asshole. I though he was a tool when Barry was playing but he trumped himself today with his stunt during his introduction of Barry at the Hall of Fame enshrinements today. His opening statement was if you want to know more about Barry buy his book. What a complete dumbass.

I'm quite sure even Barry was a littled ticked off at this, since his assured everyone during his speech that he had no idea his dad was going to do that. Presenting your son for enshrining into the NFL Hall of Fame is a dream opportunity for any father who ever played football. I hope it haunts Mr. Sander to his grave that he cheapened Barry's day that he attempted this stunt.

For those of you that don't realize it Barry's dad isn't too fondly thought of among Lion's fans. He's ran his mouth and spoken for Barry way too much over the years. This is exactly the sort of stunt we Lions fans all were worried that he would attempt during his speech.

And speaking of speeches Barry gave one of the biggest snoozers in the history of the all HOF speeches. Now we all know why Barry dodges the media better than he did defenders during his playing days.

Elways was as good as I expected. In contrast imagine what kind of speech his dad would have given.

[sharkstank]

omigawd omigawd omigawd, Pre-Season started Friday.
can u feel it. CAN YOU?!
FOOTBALLS ALMOST BACK!!!
my sundays will no longer be available until February

WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[chiefxcel]

Originally posted by sharkstank
omigawd omigawd omigawd, Pre-Season started Friday.
can u feel it. CAN YOU?!
FOOTBALLS ALMOST BACK!!!
my sundays will no longer be available until February

WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Getting closer and closer.. WOOOOOOOOOOO.. what a long offseason it has been, but now we're almost there! Sunday goes from being the most boring day of the weak, to the most exciting day of the week.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by sharkstank
omigawd omigawd omigawd, Pre-Season started Friday.
can u feel it. CAN YOU?!
FOOTBALLS ALMOST BACK!!!
my sundays will no longer be available until February

WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yes I can I get to see how my Redskins do tonight in the hall of fame game against Denver I haven't been this excited for a pre-season game ever.

Thank god when Septenmber comes Sunday's are back. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[e_lateralus]

Originally posted by sharkstank
omigawd omigawd omigawd, Pre-Season started Friday.
can u feel it. CAN YOU?!
FOOTBALLS ALMOST BACK!!!
my sundays will no longer be available until February

WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(I just wanted to join the crowd and quote you)

Anyways, I am so unbelievably excited for football this year (College and Pro alike), that I truly cannot contain myself. Saturdays will be spent watching college football (often at the games) Sundays on my ass recovering watching NFL. If that aint heaven on earth, then I dont know what is.

[horrorfreak13]

Well it wasn't a classic but the end of the game was a great one even thought it was pre-season it was great to see some NFL football mainly my Redskins and is Sean Taylor going to be something or what 2 INTs and 1 TD that's a great 1st impression but of course their tackle Jon Jansen gets hurt and I hope he isn't done for the year because that's all I heard last night from the commentators.

Also Quentin Griffin looked pretty damn good last night and also I swear there was a penalty every 4 or 5 plays it was ridiculous.

[e_lateralus]

Unfortunately (for Skins fans) Jansen will be out for the year

From ESPN.com:

CANTON, Ohio -- Jon Jansen leaned against his crutches in the locker room and looked ahead to surgery, months of rehab and a lost season.

The Washington Redskins' starting right tackle ruptured his left Achilles tendon in the first quarter of a 20-17 exhibition victory over Denver in the Hall of Fame game on Monday night.

Jansen, a six-year player who has never missed an NFL start, was helped off the field by trainers and teammates and sat on the bench for several minutes, his hand covering his face. He then was carted off.

The injury will sideline Jansen for the season.

"I've never missed a practice or a game," said Jansen, a first-round draft pick in 1999 who instantly became a starter. "It's disappointing, especially with a new coaching staff and we have a lot of expectations and excitement."

Joe Gibbs, the Hall of Fame coach returning to the Redskins after 12 years away from the sport, said he is optimistic Jansen will return next year at full strength.

"Cory Raymer had it," Gibbs said of another Redskins lineman, "and he bounced right back. We'll do whatever is best for Jon. He is extremely important for us."

Anyways, it was a fun game to watch, though I now officially have the "itch".

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by e_lateralus
Unfortunately (for Skins fans) Jansen will be out for the year

From ESPN.com:

CANTON, Ohio -- Jon Jansen leaned against his crutches in the locker room and looked ahead to surgery, months of rehab and a lost season.

The Washington Redskins' starting right tackle ruptured his left Achilles tendon in the first quarter of a 20-17 exhibition victory over Denver in the Hall of Fame game on Monday night.

Jansen, a six-year player who has never missed an NFL start, was helped off the field by trainers and teammates and sat on the bench for several minutes, his hand covering his face. He then was carted off.

The injury will sideline Jansen for the season.

"I've never missed a practice or a game," said Jansen, a first-round draft pick in 1999 who instantly became a starter. "It's disappointing, especially with a new coaching staff and we have a lot of expectations and excitement."

Joe Gibbs, the Hall of Fame coach returning to the Redskins after 12 years away from the sport, said he is optimistic Jansen will return next year at full strength.

"Cory Raymer had it," Gibbs said of another Redskins lineman, "and he bounced right back. We'll do whatever is best for Jon. He is extremely important for us."


Oh that's just great :mad: Hopefully Thomas or Samuels stay healthy after that the O-Line isn't very great maybe Kenyatta Jones or rookie Jim Molinaro can play well unless there is anybody unsigned that I don't know about.

[Moviefan1234]

Winslow and the Browns FINALLY reach an agreement.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7566675

While in San Diego, talks have broken off at the moment between the Changers and Philip Rivers.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7563873

Two weeks ago I would never have expected Winslow to sign before Rivers. This is getting pretty bad for San Diego considering Rivers was supposed to be the guy this year. I guess Brees will have to start the season again.

[sharkstank]

i would make fun of washington for the injury, but i dont want to jinx my boys.

WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[e_lateralus]

That injury has to hurt the Redskins continuity on the O-line. But, a question: Who will this injury hurt more, Brunell or Portis. Id say Portis, simply because hes used to running behind a good O-line and this guys leadership and skill was supposed to be a big boost for them (by which I mean the O-line).

I too am surprised that Winslow signed first. Now I truely hope that ass is injured early.

[bmain77]

But isn't Jenson the right tackle which in the case of Brunell being the QB means he was protecting Brunell's blindside (Brunell is a lefthander). I might be wrong, but I could have swore Samuels was on the left and Jenson was the right.

Personally I was a little saddened because I'm always keeping an eye on how my former Wolverines are doing. Get your ass in camp Woodson! And I was glad to see Chris Perry finally signed. I was shocked to see him holdout so long, because at UM he was a class act all the way. I'm curious to see how he does in the NFL. I'm not sold on him.

So Winslow is now in camp. I really feel for Jeff Garcia, but in a "manly" way :D He escapes T.O.'s ego only to have to put with with perhaps a much bigger one in Winslow. Now when that plane containing Winslow, Moss, Barry Bonds, and A.I. finally crash into that mountain damn it. :D

And how bout them comments from T.O. about the possibility of Garcia being gay. I think his exactly quote was, "It's like my boys says, if it looks like a rat and smells like rat...it's a rat." I don't care if Garcia is or isn't, but I will say i've been 100% convinced he is since I first saw him interviewed when he broke into the league behind Steve Young.

[e_lateralus]

Originally posted by bmain77
Now when that plane containing Winslow, Moss, Barry Bonds, and A.I. finally crash into that mountain damn it. :D

Thats just wrong in a histarical sort of way, the four most arrogant asses in sports all on one plane. I cant imagine what the black box's recordings would sound like, though I can almost gaurantee that Terell would be bitching.


Originally posted by bmain77
And how bout them comments from T.O. about the possibility of Garcia being gay. I think his exactly quote was, "It's like my boys says, if it looks like a rat and smells like rat...it's a rat." I don't care if Garcia is or isn't, but I will say i've been 100% convinced he is since I first saw him interviewed when he broke into the league behind Steve Young.

Yeah and T.O. also denied that this was an implication that Garcia is gay. I dont care either way, but I have to say hes always carried himelf in interviews in a manner that could be concieved as gay, :rolleyes: who knows or cares really?

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
But isn't Jenson the right tackle which in the case of Brunell being the QB means he was protecting Brunell's blindside (Brunell is a lefthander). I might be wrong, but I could have swore Samuels was on the left and Jenson was the right.


Yeah Jansen is the right tackle Chris Samuels another good O-Line guy is the left tackle but their O-line wasn't the problem last year it was the coaching that hurt them I'm pretty sure the team will be fine.

Winslow's singing was a shocker apparently his agent wanted him to hold out for more or something but at least he's signed now it's time for him to see if he is going to be worth it. I think he got motivated by his former college teammate Sean Taylor getting 2 INTs and 1TD.

I'm just wondering do the Chargers have to send a message every year to their top pick over and over no wonder why this team sucks and no wonder why this team will be lucky to win more than 4 games. :confused:

[e_lateralus]

I hate to say it, but I can see why Eli wished his way to New York. I mean I saw his reasons for not wanting to go to San Diego early on, but jeez, this is ridiculous.

BTW: Do you think Fitzgerald will have as good of a year as you though, or better now that Bolden will miss 8-10 weeks?

[bmain77]

If Arizona can either somehow get a running game going or if Bryant Johnson or another WR really steps up I think Fitzgerald can have a great year. Dennis Green has always rubbed me the wrong way, but I still give him his due as a coach. I think he probably has some tricks up his sleeves and Arizona won't be as bad as everyone thinks. Don't ask me how or why. I just have a feeling about this. Let's just say Damien Anderson reminded me some of Robert Smith when he was at Northwestern. I could also see Emmit Smith saying Fuck You to all the nay sayers and pulling one more great year out of his ass. I'm probably wrong, but remember this later in the season if the Cards are still in it.

According to Chris Mortenson during NFL Live tonight Henson might actually be the real deal. I can't wait to see him playing football again. It was bad enough when back in the day when guys I liked like Aikman and Smith had to play for Jerry Jones, but now one of my boys are stuck in the D. It was just getting to where I didn't have to follow the Cowboys at all anymore. But friggin Jerry pulls me back in.

I've said it before...but...Drew Henson has to be the luckiest man in the history of the world. He gets a million dollar signing bonus then heads off to play football for the great University in the world in front of the largest crowds in college football history. Next the Yankees give him even more money to have fun in the minor leagues for a couple seasons and even make a brief appearance in legendary Yankee Stadium. As if all that isn't enough he now is going to be playing football in one of the more legendary nfl stadiums under the ring of honor in Dallas. Thats not right. He's gotten to where the Maize N Blue of Michigan. He played in the same stadium and wore the same uniform of Ruth, Dimagio, and Mantle. Now its off to become the next Franchise player for "America's" team. I can't wait to read his book when it's all said and done.

[sharkstank]

anybody see atlanta/baltimore?
the ravens with a safety blitz on the 3rd play. HA

WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[e_lateralus]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm probably wrong, but remember this later in the season if the Cards are still in it.

Does that mean that if theyre playing like shit that you want us to forget what you said :D (JJ ofcourse)?

Yes Henson is a lucky S.O.B. Hes already a millionare and now hes playing in the NFL under Bill Parcells. Jeez thats lucky. I really dont see the big deal with him. Im not saying hell be a bust, but come on, what did he do that was so impressive, besides ofcourse screw over the Yankees for millions of dollars only to go to Texas....in a completely different friggin sport.

[bmain77]

Keep an eye on ESPN Classic and see if they happen to play some Henson games while at Michigan. Then you'll see what I'm talking about. Look at all the UM QB's in the league right now. In fact, UM now leads all colleges with the number of them on teams right now. Plus Grbac could easily still be hanging on somewhere as a backup if he choose to. Anyways, Henson look miles ahead of any of them in college even better than Brady. He has a rocket arm like an Elway. Probably not quite hard but close. He could run. He's bulked up alot since his college days trying to become a power hitter, so I'm sure he's lost some speed yet I'm sure he has some mobility left. He also has that "it" factor that I droned on endlessly earlier about. And with all he's done he's still a hard worker and a good guy. He grew up right next to UM so as soon as he signed up early to go there this guy would spend hours in the film room.

By the way the Yankees screwed themselves and also UM. They had to know all along that if Drew ever started to struggle that he was going to be tempted to run back to football. If he was ever truly devoted to baseball he would have jumped right to the pros and never enrolled at UM. It was a bad risk on their part. Plus they practically blackmailed Drew into playing baseball. THey offered a huge contract to leave school just before the start of his senior year and said their offer would be a fraction of that if he played out his last season at UM. Many UM fans were and still are bitter about it, but I understood why Drew left. I've heard he handled his money well and is already set for life.

I'll point out again that I realize that I have a man crush on Drew Henson, so you don't need to point that out.:D

I never out right predicted big things for the Cards, I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked at all if they are better than people think they'll be. That way I'll have a lot of room to say I told you so:D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
Keep an eye on ESPN Classic and see if they happen to play some Henson games while at Michigan. Then you'll see what I'm talking about. Look at all the UM QB's in the league right now. In fact, UM now leads all colleges with the number of them on teams right now. Plus Grbac could easily still be hanging on somewhere as a backup if he choose to. Anyways, Henson look miles ahead of any of them in college even better than Brady. He has a rocket arm like an Elway. Probably not quite hard but close. He could run. He's bulked up alot since his college days trying to become a power hitter, so I'm sure he's lost some speed yet I'm sure he has some mobility left. He also has that "it" factor that I droned on endlessly earlier about. And with all he's done he's still a hard worker and a good guy. He grew up right next to UM so as soon as he signed up early to go there this guy would spend hours in the film room.

By the way the Yankees screwed themselves and also UM. They had to know all along that if Drew ever started to struggle that he was going to be tempted to run back to football. If he was ever truly devoted to baseball he would have jumped right to the pros and never enrolled at UM. It was a bad risk on their part. Plus they practically blackmailed Drew into playing baseball. THey offered a huge contract to leave school just before the start of his senior year and said their offer would be a fraction of that if he played out his last season at UM. Many UM fans were and still are bitter about it, but I understood why Drew left. I've heard he handled his money well and is already set for life.

I'll point out again that I realize that I have a man crush on Drew Henson, so you don't need to point that out.:D

I never out right predicted big things for the Cards, I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked at all if they are better than people think they'll be. That way I'll have a lot of room to say I told you so:D

I get ESPN Classic Canada but I'm pretty sure that their programming is different than the US version and I've never seen Drew Hanson play football but he's playing for a team that isn't very good offensively.

And speaking of not good offensively or nothing period Anquon Boldin's injury is a big hit for Arizona because right now after Emmit and Shipp(who's injured) and their rookie Fitzgerald I honestly off the top of my head can't name anybody else on Arizona Boldin's injury pretty much drops Arizona's win total from 4 to 2 and will compete with San francisco as the worst team in the league and their both in the same division.

Now to Terrell "The Whiny Bitch" Owens and his stupid comments on Jeff Garcia saing he's gay and I don't know what the hell else and Garcia didn't want to waste his time commenting on Terrell Owens since it's a waste of time man you now I'll be looking forward to this year when the Browns face the Eagles and Garcia can shove Terrell's words down his damn throat.

Eagles fans will experience more than this when Terrell only gets about 6-8 receptions and bitches about not getting the ball enough.

[Munson]

Originally posted by sharkstank
anybody see atlanta/baltimore?
the ravens with a safety blitz on the 3rd play. HA

WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Vick was whining about it after the game.

[sharkstank]

Originally posted by Munson
Vick was whining about it after the game.

oh yeah. he said "they knew i wasnt going to run"
WTF. thats your fault dumb ass
and my raiders looked GOOD today. its looking up babee

WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Munson
Vick was whining about it after the game.

Vick is the most overrated player in the NFL today I believe.

Year after year now we've heard all this hype on him, and while he has super speed and agility, the man just isn't all that when it comes to basic quarterbacking skills.

Take away his running game, and you've got another mediocre Jake Delhomme. 9-17 completions, 150 passing yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.

A player like Vick should complement an already good offense, not try to have the whole team base around his playing style.

I predict a 7-9 year for a healthy Michael Vick. 5-11 if he bites the bug again.