NFL OFFSEASON DISCUSSION THREAD

[horrorfreak13]

Alright there's so much stuff going around lately(most of it involving my Redskins)

The Redskins signing Brunell to a 7 year $43 million contract not all that needs to happen is the trade to be completed and there's a rumor from ESPN that the Redskins might be on the verge of a blockbuster deal trading all-pro CB Champ Bailey to the Denver Broncos for Clinton Portis.

Champ Bailey will certainly help Denver they need a CB and Clinton Portis would help the skins a lot should this happen apparently Denver wants the Redskins 2nd round pick and the Redskins might not want to give it up.

Now back to the Brunell signing I'd like to say good job Dan Snyder now witht he signing of Brunell you pissed off Patrick Ramsey and probably wants to be traded :mad: I like Patrick Ramsey and I think he was very good last year this team should have never got rid of Stephen Davis but if getting rid of Champ Bailey gets the Redskins Clinton Portis I'll be jumping for joy.

All this reminds me on one thing Sundays suck now. :(

[Cunning Visions]

Ok as a Miami Dolphins fan I must say...what the HELL is going on here?!!! Our front office has become the laughingstock of the league. We needed a change at QB and what did we do?...we got A.J. Feeley from the Eagles. We traded a conditional 2005 2 round pick for a third string QB?? We replaced a backup (Fiedler) with another backup? Just seems rather odd. Maybe some Eagle fans can enlighten me on Feeley and hopefully make me feel better about this signing. *Sigh*:o

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Cunning Visions
Ok as a Miami Dolphins fan I must say...what the HELL is going on here?!!! Our front office has become the laughingstock of the league. We needed a change at QB and what did we do?...we got A.J. Feeley from the Eagles. We traded a conditional 2005 2 round pick for a third string QB?? We replaced a backup (Fiedler) with another backup? Just seems rather odd. Maybe some Eagle fans can enlighten me on Feeley and hopefully make me feel better about this signing. *Sigh*:o

I'm not an Eagles fan but I only saw him when he came in for McNabb when he was injured over a year ago. I don't think he's the answer to their problems but I'm not sure who else is available.

[TheDeadWalk]

Let me be the first to say that as an Ohio State fan, Maurice Clarett is a simple bitch.

I hope he doesn't get drafted, and is picked up for some four year deal in NFL Europe.

Though I am thankful that he has made me unstoppable in NCAA 2004 on PS2. But he's still a bitch.

[bmain77]

Feeley looked great when Mcnabb went down. That could be a very solid pickup. My only problem is that if I running a team needing a qb I'd wait and see what happens with Patrick Ramsy. Whatever qb the dolphins get they still need to get a good WR.

As great as Champ Bailey is I'm not sure I'd give up Clinton Portis for him. The Broncos must be confident in Quentin Griffen's ability.

I'm excited to see what the Lions do this offseason. They are in a great position to fill in a lot of holes. THey can do no wrong with their pick. Kevin Jones, Sean Taylor, or any of the WR's all would be great pickups.

[MarkItZero]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm excited to see what the Lions do this offseason. They are in a great position to fill in a lot of holes. THey can do no wrong with their pick. Kevin Jones, Sean Taylor, or any of the WR's all would be great pickups.

Sorry Bmain. Kevin Jones is gonna be the feature back for the future NFC North Champion Chicago Bears for years to come.

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by bmain77
Feeley looked great when Mcnabb went down. That could be a very solid pickup. My only problem is that if I running a team needing a qb I'd wait and see what happens with Patrick Ramsy. Whatever qb the dolphins get they still need to get a good WR.

I'm excited to see what the Lions do this offseason. They are in a great position to fill in a lot of holes. THey can do no wrong with their pick. Kevin Jones, Sean Taylor, or any of the WR's all would be great pickups.

First off...thanks for the Feeley comments. I agree we need another reciever to compliment Chris Chambers and some O-line help.

As for the Lions, most mock drafts have them picking Sean Taylor. All I can say is I've been to many Hurricane games and Taylor is the real deal. Consider yourself lucky if you guys draft him...he will be a pro bowl safety by his second year. He's THAT good.

[bmain77]

Sean Taylor would be great. I love hard hitting safeties and Taylor fits that bill perfectly. He's fast and he's even bigger than some linebackers in the NFL. I can just picture him nowing breaking Randy Moss in half.

In a perfect world the lions will draft Taylor and a running back later in the draft (Sprowles from KSU maybe). Sign Tai Streets from the Niners. Sign Antoine Winfield away from the Bills. Keep Bill Schroeder around long enough for Taylor to get one good shot on him in training cap and then cut his pathetic ass. I wouldn't be suprised to see Deuce Staley or possibly Garrison Hearst in Lions uniforms next season. Kevin Barlow and Hearst have to be sick of sharing the ball by now.

I'm actually curious to see how the bears develop. I see that the new staff didn't understand why David Terrell was so underused by the previous staff. They plan on using him a lot more. On the other hand I'm sad to see Anthony Thomas being pushed aside. He did have a pretty decent year this year. He is one of the classiest guys to wear the Maize and Blue so I hope to see land on his feet somewhere....maybe the Lions:).

[horrorfreak13]

Well now another trade rumor suggests Keyshawn Johnson could be sent to Dallas for Joey Galloway. Yes come on Dallas add a disguntled WR to your roster and have your team go completely downhill.

[chiefxcel]

It appears that the NY Jets are now part of the Champ Bailey sweepstakes. They have offered Washington Shaun Ellis, Anthony Becht and LaMont Jordan for Bailey. I don't know about you guys, but I'll take the Portis deal any day of the week over that one. Portis had almost 1600 yards on the ground this year, despite missing 3 full games and not completing 3 other games (meaning he only played 10 games in full). The Jets offer is very good, but still, Portis is a madman and he's just going to get even better.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by chiefxcel
It appears that the NY Jets are now part of the Champ Bailey sweepstakes. They have offered Washington Shaun Ellis, Anthony Becht and LaMont Jordan for Bailey. I don't know about you guys, but I'll take the Portis deal any day of the week over that one. Portis had almost 1600 yards on the ground this year, despite missing 3 full games and not completing 3 other games (meaning he only played 10 games in full). The Jets offer is very good, but still, Portis is a madman and he's just going to get even better.

The Redskins aren't taking the Jets deal it's worth too little it appears the trade between the Redskins and the Broncos will be accepted provided they sign the players to contracts

[jeo4]

Denver is waaaaaaaay over the salary cap right now. Look for some heavy trading in April. If Portis doesn't go to Washington, he will still be traded.

Kansas City is my team, so I'm hoping for some new defensive talent. We got our defensive coordinator back from Tennessee. Under Gunther Cunningham, the Chiefs had the number one defense in the NFL. They have all the offense signed for long-term deals. Now they need to pick up some key defensive players, starting with a center man that can stop the running game.

[bmain77]

How bout that Jamal Lewis? Not only is he a great running back, but he also sounds like one heck of a coke dealer. What a friggin loser. How does a first round pick still feel the need to deal in drugs? Apparently they have it all on tape. Which reminds me....when the hell will criminals stop using cell phones in the commision of crimes?

At least teammate Ray Lewis was nice enough to refer Jamal to the lawyers that got him off.

[MarkItZero]

It sounds like the Jamal Lewis incident happened a way back in 2000 before he was even drafted. It says on CNN.Com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/02/25/lewis.indictment/?cnn=yes) that if convicted he could face 10 years to life! I am sure it wont come to that, but he must be shitting his pants right now.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by MarkItZero
It sounds like the Jamal Lewis incident happened a way back in 2000 before he was even drafted. It says on CNN.Com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/02/25/lewis.indictment/?cnn=yes) that if convicted he could face 10 years to life! I am sure it wont come to that, but he must be shitting his pants right now.

Just think if was convicted when it happened his team would have went 4-12 two years ago and the Pats would have won three in a row!!

:):D :cool: :rolleyes:

[horrorfreak13]

Well Baltimore was planning on possibily using that open cap room to try and swing Terrell Owens to Baltimore but now they might have to use it elsewhere.

Also the Jets are reported to cut Vinny Testaverte an announcement is to be expected Friday but the cut won't happen until after June 1 because the Jets will take a bigger cap hit should the Jets release him before then.

[MarkItZero]

I am guessing Vinny T. will end up catching on somewhere else. Teams are always in need of veteran backups. That is, if he still wants to play, he may decide that its time to hang up the sneakers.

[scarecrow2012]

so does anyone thing T.O. will still become a free agent. i think he needs to but something about paperwork this year in sports is just killin everybody. It will be nice to see him anywhere besides San Fran.

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by scarecrow2012
so does anyone thing T.O. will still become a free agent. i think he needs to but something about paperwork this year in sports is just killin everybody. It will be nice to see him anywhere besides San Fran.

Well his free agent days are over, the 49ers now own his rights. The front office must be smiling now because anybody who wants Owens will now have to trade for him. If his dumbass agent would have filed the papers than he could have just signed with whoever he wanted to and the 49ers would have gotten nothing in return. He must fire his agent immediately...because it takes a special kind of stupid to do that.

[horrorfreak13]

Well another good CFL star is in the NFL QB Ricky Ray has signed with the New York Jets and will more than likely back up Chad Pennington. Well good luck Ricky Ray I hope he has good success in the NFL.

Also the Broncos have released QB Brian Griese well good luck finding work.

[Haddonfield]

I had to post this....

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There was a Packers fan with a really crappy seat at Lambeau. Looking with his binoculars, he spotted an empty seat on the 50-yard line. Thinking to himself "what a waste" he made his way down to the empty seat.

When he arrived at the seat, he asked the man sitting next to it, "Is this seat taken?" The man replied, "This was my wife's seat. She passed away. She was a big Packers fan." The other man replied,"I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. May I ask why you didn't give the ticket to a friend or a relative?"

The man replied, "They're all at the funeral."

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Also the Broncos have released QB Brian Griese well good luck finding work.

Actually it was the Dolphins who just released Griese. I think he'll find back up work somewhere. We also released aging Pro Bowl safety Brock Marion (among others). That frees up a lot of cap space so we can hopefully make a run at Damien Woody and Da Bears Chris Villarrial *crosses fingers*

[horrorfreak13]

Well Clinton Portis could be the highest paid RB in history when the Redskins-Broncos deal gets completed Portis apparently has agreed to a 8 year $50.5 million contract and includes $17 million in signing bonuses and option bonuses.

I think I'm going to like next year.

[scarecrow2012]

If washington keeps up then they will be a force in the nfl. thats just scary right there

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by scarecrow2012
If washington keeps up then they will be a force in the nfl. thats just scary right there

Look out Philadelphia it won't be a cake walk next year that's for sure.

Also Jeff Garcia is expected to be cut from the 49ers today and also Peyton Manning is expected to sign the richest contract in history signing a 7 year $99.2 million contract which includes a $34.5 million signing bonus.

Fuck I should have played football for a living.

[horrorfreak13]

Looks like it's between Seattle and Washington for Jevon Kearse. I would love to see the Redskins grab him. Dammit al these changes and I have to wait 6 god damn months for next season. The best I can get right now is by making these changes on Madden 2004 to preview what next year will be like.

[scarecrow2012]

HAIL TO THE MUTHA FUCKIN EAGLES...I'm a huge Titans fan but i definitly would love to see the eagles suceed....Jevon Kearse now a Eagle....all they need now is TO...damn to be a titans fan i'm way to excited for the eagles lol...

[scarecrow2012]

Another thing ...i have finally i'm a NFL fan more than just backing one team...I love that Washington is a contender and dallas might even look better....i would still like to see the panthers win the super bowl next year...

[Cabrini Green]

What is with the Bears overpaying for Thomas Jones of Tampa? This guy had all the playing time in the world to do something with the starting job in Arizona and Tampa. The Bears already have a decent runner in Anthony Thomas. A puzzling move to me.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Cabrini Green
What is with the Bears overpaying for Thomas Jones of Tampa? This guy had all the playing time in the world to do something with the starting job in Arizona and Tampa. The Bears already have a decent runner in Anthony Thomas. A puzzling move to me.

Whats even more puzzling is that Chicago is so confident in Jones that they will likely part ways with Anthony Thomas. I would say a 2nd rd. pick turning in two one thousand yard seasons in his first three years is pretty darn good, but the Bears act like he is a bust. If Chicago does dump him the next team (the Lions?...hmmm) is going to get quite a steal. Getting dumped could just get the A-Train steaming again like back in the day.

Then again I'm not exactly the most objective person around when it comes to the topic of former Wolverines.

I'm wondering how much cap space the Eagles have. Thats a huge chunk of change to be giving Kearse if they still hope to get their hands on TO, not to mention they'll need to pick up another RB somewhere along the way.

I will openly say that I hope the Redskins go down in flames. It seems like they would have learned their lesson with that last unsuccessful spending spree they went on.

[scarecrow2012]

i think the eagles are good on cap space..cuz i believe that they have still not signed their big deal dbs. I hope washington does suceed...it will just make the nfl that much better

[horrorfreak13]

Washington has signed CB Shawn Springs and he's a pretty good CB. I'm going to love next season

They also signed Cornelius Griffin who spent his first 4 years with the Giants.

This is what my Redskins have done this off season
Traded for Brunell
Traded for Portis
Signed Cornelius Griffin
Signed Shawn Springs
signed Phillip Daniels

And I don't think they are done yet.

[horrorfreak13]

The 49ers have traded Terrell Owens to the Ravens YEEESSSS!!!!!! I
m glad the fucking Eagles didn't get him hahaha!!!!

[RogueSpear]

Can I be first in line to laugh when the Redskins put up another losing season?

Seriously, when is Danny-boy going to learn he can't buy himself a championship.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
Can I be first in line to laugh when the Redskins put up another losing season?

Seriously, when is Danny-boy going to learn he can't buy himself a championship.

I think this year is going to be different they have a very good RB and Joe Gibbs knows how to win he's done it before.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I think this year is going to be different they have a very good RB and Joe Gibbs knows how to win he's done it before.

Wasn't Spurrier a proven winnner too although? Fact: they got horribly ripped off in the Portis-Bailey trade and managed to piss off Ramsey who displayed more than enough grit and talent over this past year.

I sense another implosion! (and salary cap hell down the road)

God do I feel sorry for Kyle Boller. T.O. bitched when he had a QB who had gone to the Pro Bowl. Now he has someone alot more raw.

[Benny]

Screw Baseball, NFL Season is only 6 mere months away! I'm very excited after hearing that my beloved "losers" the Philadelphia Eagles have picked up Jevon Kearse! This gives us some more force to our defense for next year, and most of the other same guys will still be around, so this is great news. Unfortunately we didn't get Owens though, and we need a power player at either WR or RB. I can't imagine TO and Brian "I'm King of the World!" Billick to get along very well in Baltimore though. Both sem to realyl have volatile personalites and enormous egos.

horrorfreak- what do you have against the Eagles personally?

[chiefxcel]

The Redskins do it again, signing a very good LB Marcus Washington (Indianapolis, 26 years old).. 6-year deal worth $24 million. Man, Redskins are going to the playoffs. Maybe further.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Benny
horrorfreak- what do you have against the Eagles personally?

It's the fact there are in my team's division you grow to hate to the teams in your own division I still hate the Cowboys and Giants more then any other team.

The Redskins get another free agent Marcus Washington to a 6 year 24 million contract.

Mixmastermosse I don't think the Redskins got ripped off in the Portis deal they got a future priemiere RB who has 1500 rushing yard in his 1st 2 years and they addressed the CB situation with Shawn Springs who is a very good CB. Plus it seemed that Champo Bailery didn't want to play with Washinton anymore and getting more than a 1st round pick which what it seemed to be was very good.

[Benny]

Originally posted by chiefxcel
Man, Redskins are going to the playoffs. Maybe further.

I recall Redskins fans saying this when Snyder bought the team for $800 million in 2000, then they underachieved the whole season. I'm not saying the Skins won't make the playoffs, I just think that their fans shouldn't count their chickens...

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Mixmastermosse I don't think the Redskins got ripped off in the Portis deal they got a future priemiere RB who has 1500 rushing yard in his 1st 2 years and they addressed the CB situation with Shawn Springs who is a very good CB. Plus it seemed that Champo Bailery didn't want to play with Washinton anymore and getting more than a 1st round pick which what it seemed to be was very good.

I can see where you are coming from, to a degree. But what position is at more of a premium in the nfl: a great rb or a shutdown cb? You would be hard pressed to find any who would take the rb. Shutdown cornerbacks are at a premium. If the trade had been one for one maybe I would be a little more forgiving but a second round pick as well? Thats plain stupid.

"Even the personnel men leaguewide who feel Clinton Portis is a terrific young back are in agreement that the Washington Redskins got hoodwinked on the trade that sent corner Champ Bailey and a second-round draft choice to Denver. Even as a straight-up deal, one-for-one, the Broncos would have had an edge, because cornerback is one of the most premium positions in the league, by any measure. But to have thrown in a second-round pick along with a four-time Pro Bowl cornerback who is just 25 years old was viewed as ludicrous. " espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1751618)

I dont know all the details of the Shawn Spring deal but it better include something regarding how many games he plays in. If I'm not mistaken he was the nickel back for a few games this past season. He was a very good CB whose play has dropped significantly over the past few years. He has alot to prove before he is a good CB again in my books.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
I can see where you are coming from, to a degree. But what position is at more of a premium in the nfl: a great rb or a shutdown cb? You would be hard pressed to find any who would take the rb. Shutdown cornerbacks are at a premium. If the trade had been one for one maybe I would be a little more forgiving but a second round pick as well? Thats plain stupid.

Yeah it's true a shutdown CB is hard to find but Champ Bailey didn't want to stay in Washinton and to get a preimiere RB instead of a 1st round pick which most teams do is at least something I can deal with. I didn't agree with sending a 2nd round pick too but if that's what it takes to get Portis then that isn't too bad. There aren't too many god RBs in the free agent market anyways

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
"Even the personnel men leaguewide who feel Clinton Portis is a terrific young back are in agreement that the Washington Redskins got hoodwinked on the trade that sent corner Champ Bailey and a second-round draft choice to Denver. Even as a straight-up deal, one-for-one, the Broncos would have had an edge, because cornerback is one of the most premium positions in the league, by any measure. But to have thrown in a second-round pick along with a four-time Pro Bowl cornerback who is just 25 years old was viewed as ludicrous. " espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1751618)

I dont know all the details of the Shawn Spring deal but it better include something regarding how many games he plays in. If I'm not mistaken he was the nickel back for a few games this past season. He was a very good CB whose play has dropped significantly over the past few years. He has alot to prove before he is a good CB again in my books.

I know he hasn't played a complete season in 4 years but in the games I've seen him in which is about 2 or 3 last year he looked not too bad but not as good as Champ Bailey but at least better than average I figure.

At least give credit to the Broncos organization they could have let Portis sit and rot for 2 years and at least let him develop and make his money with another team.

[bmain77]

I may just have to change my opinion of Matt Millen. Damien Woody is a huge signing. He's the stud the Lions have needed to get the running game going. Fernando Bryant certainly isn't an super elite corner, but he's a damn solid one that teamed up with Dre Bly gives the Lions possibly one of the better pair of corners in the league. I'm not 100% sold on Bly yet though.

Tai Streets looks to be signing real soon too. He's the perfect complement to Charles Rodgers and gives Harrington a solid reciever who may not have blazing speed, but has the hands and the balls to get a ball in traffic.

At this point I'm starting to lean towards the Lions taking Kevin Jones which gives the Lions just about all they need on offense and then spend the rest of the draft on the defense. Sean Taylor would look good in a Lion uniform, but apparantly he's made an ass out of himself at his workout and the Lions have to have a home run threat at rb to take the pressure off of Harrington.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Terrell "The whiny baby" Owens is complaining that he didn't get traded to the Eagles and wanted to play for them instead of being traded to Baltimore. He said he's going to file a grieveance and wants to play for the Eagles. Hesaid he might not report to the Ravens camp. From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1752478)

Terrell want some cheese with that whine? You didn't get free agency because of your stupid agent and not the NFL so go to Baltimore and sit if you want I don't care. The 49ers didn't do anything wrong they didn't like what the Eagles offerred and wasn't going to trade him to a conference rival so shut your damn mouth for a change.

If your stupid agent would have signed the papers to let you be a free agent then you could have went anywhere but the didn't blame him.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
It's the fact there are in my team's division you grow to hate to the teams in your own division I still hate the Cowboys and Giants more then any other team.

The Redskins get another free agent Marcus Washington to a 6 year 24 million contract.

Mixmastermosse I don't think the Redskins got ripped off in the Portis deal they got a future priemiere RB who has 1500 rushing yard in his 1st 2 years and they addressed the CB situation with Shawn Springs who is a very good CB. Plus it seemed that Champo Bailery didn't want to play with Washinton anymore and getting more than a 1st round pick which what it seemed to be was very good.

I can relate with the hate of the Eagles. Ironically for me, both of my favorite teams come from the AFC North... Browns and Bengals. However, looking at the rest of that division you've got the ex-Browns aka Ravens, and the Steelers... enough hate there to make up for the fact that I like both of those teams.

But as for the Eagles, I hate them because of their fans. Not the casual fans, but the die-hard season ticket holders. They're rude, crude, and classless. They boo their own like theres no tomorrow, they booed when Irvin was put on a stretcher, and the straw that broke the camel's back... is when they BOOED when their own defensive lineman Jerome Brown was shot and killed, and the following Sunday PA asked for a moment of silence.

Disrespectful bastards to me. To me, that's way worse than branding the Oakland Raiders emblem on a man's ass.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
But as for the Eagles, I hate them because of their fans. Not the casual fans, but the die-hard season ticket holders. They're rude, crude, and classless. They boo their own like theres no tomorrow, they booed when Irvin was put on a stretcher, and the straw that broke the camel's back... is when they BOOED when their own defensive lineman Jerome Brown was shot and killed, and the following Sunday PA asked for a moment of silence.

Disrespectful bastards to me. To me, that's way worse than branding the Oakland Raiders emblem on a man's ass.

I remember that and even though I hate the Cowboys that made me sick to hear that because Irvin was a good reciever and I bielieve that hit ended his career. As for the Jerome Brown thing I don't remember that it must have happenned before I was born or before I got into the NFL.

[TheDeadWalk]

My bad. I looked it up and he was in an auto-accident, not shot.

And the year was 1992...

I also remember two years ago I believe it was, when Eagles/Bucs were gearing up for their NFC champ game, Warren Sapp was on the NFL HBO show talking about this, and that was why he hated the Eagles, and never wanted to be one.

[PapaJupe2k]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well Terrell "The whiny baby" Owens is complaining that he didn't get traded to the Eagles and wanted to play for them instead of being traded to Baltimore. He said he's going to file a grieveance and wants to play for the Eagles. Hesaid he might not report to the Ravens camp. From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1752478)

Terrell want some cheese with that whine? You didn't get free agency because of your stupid agent and not the NFL so go to Baltimore and sit if you want I don't care. The 49ers didn't do anything wrong they didn't like what the Eagles offerred and wasn't going to trade him to a conference rival so shut your damn mouth for a change.

If your stupid agent would have signed the papers to let you be a free agent then you could have went anywhere but the didn't blame him.

Hehehe. Terrell Owens, what a putz! He can sit and rot for all I care. Why the hell does he think it would be so much better on the Eagles anyway? Id say he's got about an equal shot of getting to a Super Bowl with either team... or maybe he doesn't care about that and it's some other reason, who knows? Neither team has any other recievers so he is going to be the focal point of defenses no matter where he goes. He always bithches about not having a good qb to get him the ball, well McNabb sure didn't look like an all pro last year did he? I'm thinking he doesn't like the idea of playing with Boller, my heart goes out to you Terrell, I wish you the best.:rolleyes:

And what the hell are the Bears thinking signing Thomas Jones, whaaaa? They need a rb, but he isn't the answer. He couldn't even hang on to a starting job in either Arizona or Tampa Bay. This guy has been a bust from day one.

How are the Redskins getting around the salary cap and signing all these players to huge contracts? They act like the are the Yankees or something. Seriously, what's going on there? I dont know all the intricicies of it, but surely it will bite them in the ass in the future.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
And what the hell are the Bears thinking signing Thomas Jones, whaaaa? They need a rb, but he isn't the answer. He couldn't even hang on to a starting job in either Arizona or Tampa Bay. This guy has been a bust from day one.

How are the Redskins getting around the salary cap and signing all these players to huge contracts? They act like the are the Yankees or something. Seriously, what's going on there? I dont know all the intricicies of it, but surely it will bite them in the ass in the future.

Thomas Jones didn't look too bad in the games he played in Tamp Bay but who knows not like the Bears are going to do any better anyways.

I think with the contracts a lot of the money is bonus money and the end of the contract is probably worth more money than the beginning of the contract I guess but I don't know the breakdown of all the contracts

[RicochetShaw]

I'll be the first to say, the Redskins look downright scary. :eek: Portis and Brunell sounds like a lethal one-two punch. People that say Redskins got a bad deal in giving up Champ Bailey, well I don't know what to think, is it jealousy? I'd give up any CB any day of the week for Clinton Portis, the most explosive back in the league. Usually I'd laugh and say this is a team that's going to sink with a high pay-roll, but with Gibbs at the helm, I don't know.... they could be a very dangerous team...


Lookout for the NFC East, should be an exciting, tough conference this year.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I think with the contracts a lot of the money is bonus money and the end of the contract is probably worth more money than the beginning of the contract I guess but I don't know the breakdown of all the contracts

To my knowledge that is how they do it. Spread the bonus over 6 to 8 years and it doesn't hurt the cap too much.

I've read a few rumors (most likely a load of shit) that the Vikings are making an attempt to trade up in the draft to try to get a shot at one of the top three WR.

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
And what the hell are the Bears thinking signing Thomas Jones, whaaaa? They need a rb, but he isn't the answer. He couldn't even hang on to a starting job in either Arizona or Tampa Bay. This guy has been a bust from day one.

Isn't Chicago installing a new offense this season? One that needs a back who isnt so, well like the A-train , and a little more shifty?

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
....but who knows not like the Bears are going to do any better anyways.

:D Exactly.

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
People that say Redskins got a bad deal in giving up Champ Bailey, well I don't know what to think, is it jealousy? I'd give up any CB any day of the week for Clinton Portis, the most explosive back in the league.

Jealousy? I'd beg to differ. I think its that a shutdown cornerback (arguably the best in the league) is more valuable to a team than a great RB (but as far as I'm concerned not even arguably the best in the league, that kind of debate is reserved for J. Lewis and P. Holmes). Secondly, certain RB's 'fit' in certain schemes (as I'm sure Holmes would attest too). Portis was utilized to perfection by Denver. Gibb system requires some more running between the tackles than Portis did in Denver. Thirdly, Portis ran behind a good (and dirty) O-line. Admittedly the Redskins have talent on the OLine but it certain hasnt shown itself in the past two years (although that is more of a certain coaches fault than any of the players). Fourth, the life of a running back is much shorter than that of a CB. And finally, I am a Defensive Coordinator and I coach db's so I have a huge bias. Rant finished.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Jealousy? I'd beg to differ. I think its that a shutdown cornerback (arguably the best in the league) is more valuable to a team than a great RB (but as far as I'm concerned not even arguably the best in the league, that kind of debate is reserved for J. Lewis and P. Holmes). Secondly, certain RB's 'fit' in certain schemes (as I'm sure Holmes would attest too). Portis was utilized to perfection by Denver. Gibb system requires some more running between the tackles than Portis did in Denver. Thirdly, Portis ran behind a good (and dirty) O-line. Admittedly the Redskins have talent on the OLine but it certain hasnt shown itself in the past two years (although that is more of a certain coaches fault than any of the players). Fourth, the life of a running back is much shorter than that of a CB. And finally, I am a Defensive Coordinator and I coach db's so I have a huge bias. Rant finished.

I wouldn't have given up Champ Bailey but if he wanted to leave you might as well get something back for him and they got a priemere RB who's probably the 3rd best back in the league behind Holmes and Lewis. I wasn't convinced that there was a better RB in free agency either not even Corey Dillion another whiny baby. Denver probably has the best O-Line in the league but I think Portis could do well with the Redskins O-Line which isn't great but it's at least decent. Their O-Line protected Hasselbeck more than Ramsey. When you take a look at the ages of the two players Bailey is 25 Portis is 22 and most RB last until about 34 so they still get about they same length of time with Bailey and Portis who could retire at the same time but who knows.

Now back to Terrell "The Big Whiny Baby" Owens and his whining about wanting to go to Phily. He says he won't report to Baltimnore and Baltimore which couold have the potion of recinding the trade won't do so and now Owens has the players association looking into it trying to get him a free agent. You know what I would just sit him out for the remainder of his contract and he can continue to whine and whine the little baby that he is. Does Phily actually think San Fran will take James Thrash who is a 3rd or 4th recieiver at best and a 5th round pick would help San Francisco better I don't think so.

Also here's something from ESPN to enjoy

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/040308_quickie.jpg :D

EDIT: The Tampa Bay Buccanneers are expected to sign ex-49ers QB Jeff Garcia this week passing up an opportunity to be a starter for Cleveland. Click Here (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/03/08/garcia.bucs/index.html)

[TheDeadWalk]

God damnit the Browns are making me sweat shitballs here.

The thought of Garcia or Couch as next year's QB BOTH make me cringe.

Just trade Northcutt and Pot smoker Green to the Raiders and bring home Roethlisberger.

Actually...

I'm checking http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/ and they're saying that the Raiders will take Williams from USC and the Browns will end up with Roethy...

So who knows....

[Benny]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
But as for the Eagles, I hate them because of their fans. Not the casual fans, but the die-hard season ticket holders. They're rude, crude, and classless. They boo their own like theres no tomorrow, they booed when Irvin was put on a stretcher, and the straw that broke the camel's back... is when they BOOED when their own defensive lineman Jerome Brown was shot and killed, and the following Sunday PA asked for a moment of silence.

Disrespectful bastards to me. To me, that's way worse than branding the Oakland Raiders emblem on a man's ass.

Yeah, Eagles antipathy spreads far and wide, I'm well aware of it. I like them because they're my hometown team. I don't consider myself a "casual fan," nor do I consider myself "rude, crude, and classless," unless I am taking about the NY Giants. This is not an accurate description of all the Eagles fans, probably only 10% of them are really like this. The whole Philly fan thing is just blown up by the media, and these fans also are the ones who usually call into the radio shows. Not all the fans boo the players, but they are all very passionate about their team and care a lot, much more than some other teams' fans, about how the team is doing.

One MUST feel sorry for us too though. We set new standards for mediocrity throughout the 90s, now finally we're doing better, but we just cant seem to make it to the big game. Three years in a row now, we've lost the NFC Championship Game, twice at home. This year's loss was especially bereaving, because the team had an amazing comeback the week before and their season had been very tough. They were a much more interesting storyline than the stupid Panthers too.

Yeah Owens might be a "big whiny baby," but wouldn't you be pissed too if you had to play for Baltimore! :p Seriously though, the guy should be able to have a part in the decision of where he plays football. If I were a Ravens fan (God forbid), I wouldn't want him on my team anyway, because he would purposely not be trying his best.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Benny
Yeah, Eagles antipathy spreads far and wide, I'm well aware of it. I like them because they're my hometown team. I don't consider myself a "casual fan," nor do I consider myself "rude, crude, and classless," unless I am taking about the NY Giants. This is not an accurate description of all the Eagles fans, probably only 10% of them are really like this. The whole Philly fan thing is just blown up by the media, and these fans also are the ones who usually call into the radio shows. Not all the fans boo the players, but they are all very passionate about their team and care a lot, much more than some other teams' fans, about how the team is doing.

One MUST feel sorry for us too though. We set new standards for mediocrity throughout the 90s, now finally we're doing better, but we just cant seem to make it to the big game. Three years in a row now, we've lost the NFC Championship Game, twice at home. This year's loss was especially bereaving, because the team had an amazing comeback the week before and their season had been very tough. They were a much more interesting storyline than the stupid Panthers too.

Yeah Owens might be a "big whiny baby," but wouldn't you be pissed too if you had to play for Baltimore! :p Seriously though, the guy should be able to have a part in the decision of where he plays football. If I were a Ravens fan (God forbid), I wouldn't want him on my team anyway, because he would purposely not be trying his best.

Sniff Sniff. That last paragraph smells like Randy Moss.



Funny story, one of my friends is currently residing in Jersey to fulfill his current unemployment issues. He left Ohio here with Philly his co-favorite team. He now lives in Jersey hating them. :)

He said that's all thats on the radio is Philly Philly Philly. He said he goes to work, and half of the radio stations are reading poems about the Eagles, or reading songs that someone has written about the Eagles, or there is some dipshit bitching about Donovan McNabb (aka the only decent player on the offense).

On the way back home, he floated through the radio station to find one station repeating the same fucking Eagles poems and songs that they read in the morning.

"Fuck em" he said.

"Enough's enough. Damn."

[MixMasterMoose]

Garcia to the Browns. espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1754514)

and Marcus Robinson to the Vikings espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1754447) . This makes the number 1 offense in the league even more scary.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Garcia to the Browns. espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1754514)

and Marcus Robinson to the Vikings espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1754447) . This makes the number 1 offense in the league even more scary.

Hurm... I don't think Robinson is all that. The only think he's proven himself good for is that he can run a decent corner into the endzone, and from his college quarterback nonetheless. His corner pattern is something that can be prevented with a cover 2 simply, but Randy Moss isn't that simple. I guess to me, Robinson is about as equivalent as D'Wayne Bates or any other second rate receiver that Minnesota already has. If they wanted to make an impact, they should have touched base with McCariens.

As for Garcia... fucking christ.

I'll just let the Colonel from American Beauty fill in for any of my comments about the California native. (kiddlings.) :D (But I still hate Garcia. FUCK)

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Hurm... I don't think Robinson is all that. The only think he's proven himself good for is that he can run a decent corner into the endzone, and from his college quarterback nonetheless. His corner pattern is something that can be prevented with a cover 2 simply, but Randy Moss isn't that simple. I guess to me, Robinson is about as equivalent as D'Wayne Bates or any other second rate receiver that Minnesota already has.

1999 CHI 84 rec for 1400 yards and he played exremelly well in the final half of the season this year. Compared to Bates (who has never had 50+ receptions or broke 1000 yards) this is a significant upgrade. Besides, like you said, Randy Moss isnt that simple. Even with the fact that the Vikes didnt have a decent WR beside Moss they still were the #1 offense. Robinson, as far as Im concerned is an upgrade. But I will gladly agree to disagree.

Stupid Question: How does one declare for the NFL draft ala those 6 high school kids? I figure if they can declare, to hell with it, next year I want to delcare myself eligible.

[TheDeadWalk]

Anyone know what you call Jeff Garcia signing with the Browns?



A straight plan for the gay man!

Bwahahahahahaha. I thought of that a few moments ago.

Steelers sign RB Duce Staley.

Woopity Doo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-steelers-staley&prov=ap&type=lgns

[horrorfreak13]

Well the players union has filed a grieveance saying the 49ers don't have the right to trade a player who the have under contract to anywhere they want :confused:

WHAT?????

He's under contract with them they can do whatever they damn well please. I hope the players union's grieveance gets turned down. Stupid whiny baby.

[horrorfreak13]

Well it appears that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are releasing 5 time pro bowl safety John Lynch after spending 11 seasons with the team. They apparently also have no plans on resigning Warren Sapp.

Man Tampa Bay must be really reshaping their team

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well the players union has filed a grieveance saying the 49ers don't have the right to trade a player who the have under contract to anywhere they want :confused:

WHAT?????

He's under contract with them they can do whatever they damn well please. I hope the players union's grieveance gets turned down. Stupid whiny baby.

Yup, very dumb. Unless Owens has a no-trade clause in his contract, this is an open-shut case.

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
Yup, very dumb. Unless Owens has a no-trade clause in his contract, this is an open-shut case.

I agree but where does it go from there? Another trade? I highly doubt that Philly (or any other team) is going to give a higher pick than what the ravens gave to the 49er's in the first place. Plus, I can't see Me.O. relenting and playing for the Ravens (even if he did imagine the tension in the dressing room....R.Lewis)

Doesn anyone here have an account on T.O.'s forums? If so, could they post some of the threads here. I've been told by a guy in one of my soci. class that it is hilarious.

[bmain77]

Drew Henson lands in Dallas. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Just when I was done with the cowboys they pull me back in by hiring Bill Parcells and big time by trading for Henson.

I'm not saying he's going to be a stud in the NFL, but all I know is that in those 8 games he started at UM Henson was in my opinion the best qb I've seen in the Maize and Blue in my lifetime.

I do know I can't wait to read Drew Henson's autobiography some day. Let's see he's lined up at QB in front of 111,000 fans in the Big House. He got in for a cup of coffee in the House that Ruth built. Now he gets to suit up for America's team. Tell me whose dick he had to suck to get this lucky.

[RicochetShaw]

^ Does that kill Dallas' chances of getting Tim Couch? I was really hoping they'd land him, because I think he has a lot of untapped potential.

[MixMasterMoose]

Law says he has played his last game as a Pat. link (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/03/13/law_out_to_end_days_as_a_patriot/)

He has offered to pay the Pats what is remaining on his contract to be released.

[chiefxcel]

Minnesota's doing a solid job so far to improve their defense. Antoine Winfield (Bills), Tyrone Carter (Jets), and Steve Martin (Texans) are all big pickups. Winfield and Carter will go together very well with Chavous and Russell (the latter two combined for 17 INTs last year). Also Martin will improve their running D, specifically up the middle. Marcus Robinson also was signed by the Vikes, he's going to love playing with Randy Moss and I expect him to have a 50+ catch season. Can't forget their trio of talented running backs either. Minnesota should be a force next year.

[horrorfreak13]

Let's see Ty Law quote "Right now, it's not about money", "I'll go to training camp. I've got bonuses for going to training camp"

Yeah right and it's not about the money maybe I should get bonuses just for going to my work too. It's not about the money my ass. I don't care where he goes as long as it is not in the NFC

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Well it appears that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are releasing 5 time pro bowl safety John Lynch after spending 11 seasons with the team. They apparently also have no plans on resigning Warren Sapp.

Man Tampa Bay must be really reshaping their team

I'm praying that the Bengals make a move on one or both of those guys, and still keep the eye on the draft at a CB.

[Cunning Visions]

Well it's official, the Dolphins have traded a 2005 6th round pick and the famous "player to be named later" to the Chargers for WR David Boston. I think it's a hell of a bargain. We all know Boston's history but the way it's structured, if he acts up and is cut...it won't be much of a cap hit. Plus he's agreed to all the restrictions (like cutting his weight to 230). He's a headcase, but if he gets his act together....he can be a hell of a player (Plus the guy's a beast..I mean LOOK AT HIM!)
http://www.chargers.com/camp/2003/073103/image004.jpg
http://www.signonsandiego.com/gallery/albums/030812carson/008A69B4_A5F1_4A8C_A027_CCF441F8172E_pobj_MINI_1.j pg

[chiefxcel]

***BREAKING NEWS***

Torrell Owens is now a Philadelphia Eagle. Baltimore gets a 5th round draft pick and San Francisco gets DE Brandon Whiting. Owens is expected to sign a multi-year contract with the Eagles.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by chiefxcel
***BREAKING NEWS***

Torrell Owens is now a Philadelphia Eagle. Baltimore gets a 5th round draft pick and San Francisco gets DE Brandon Whiting. Owens is expected to sign a multi-year contract with the Eagles.

The fucking whiny baby gets what he wants. Hope he enjoys playing for Andy Reid because he won't take that stupid I this and me that. There's no I in Team but there seems to be a ME in Terrell Owens' game.

[chiefxcel]

I'm still not worried about Philly, they lost Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Carlos Emmons and Duce Staley.

[Benny]

Terrell Owens is my hero. :D

LOL Horrorfreak, but he won't be the first whiny baby to play of a Philly team. (IVERSON!)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Benny
Terrell Owens is my hero. :D

LOL Horrorfreak, but he won't be the first whiny baby to play of a Philly team. (IVERSON!)

It will be interesting to see when Terrell Owens gets less receptions a game than he did with San Francisco and start whining about him not getting the ball enough.

[chiefxcel]

Guaranteed at some point this season TO will demand another trade.

[horrorfreak13]

Here's a picture we all can enjoy Terrell Owens the baby

http://msn.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/040317_quickie.jpg :D

[Moviefan1234]

Owens may be cocky and not a team player, but he's still the second best WR in the league. His talent is well worth the headaches he brings to the table.

Buffalo signed Troy Vincent yesterday, so I'm a happy camper. I was worried when they lost Winfield to Minnesota, but the fear is gone now that they have Vincent. Vincent can pick off passes, something Winfield rarely did.

[MixMasterMoose]

Owens? Second best? :confused: I'd take Moss, Holt, Harrison, C. Johnson (and possibly Boldin) in a heartbeat over Me.O. But thats just me.

Who else is just dying to see Philly and Balt play this year now? I have the oddest feeling that T.O. is not going to head anywhere near Mr. Lewis. BTW nice pic horrorfreak13.

Bill Belichick is "paid to lie sometimes, because that's how he supports his family." Thank you for that gem Ty Law!
here (http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2240012)

I like the signing of Troy Vincent by Buffalo. Older but with the ability to pick off a pass.

D. Boston to Miami for next to nothing. Now Miami needs a QB that can get him the ball. Ricky must be thanking the big guy upstairs.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Who else is just dying to see Philly and Balt play this year now? I have the oddest feeling that T.O. is not going to head anywhere near Mr. Lewis.

That's right Phily and Baltimore play each other this year oh I hop e it's in Baltimore I really do now that's a game I'd be interested to see.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Owens? Second best? :confused: I'd take Moss, Holt, Harrison, C. Johnson (and possibly Boldin) in a heartbeat over Me.O. But thats just me.



If I were to rank the best receivers in the league, Owens would be #2 behind only Moss. On a pound for pound, inch for inch level there aren't many as good as Owens. (My opinion o'course)

[horrorfreak13]

Well the Joey Galloway for Keyshawn Johnson trade is now officially complete.

From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1763278)

I don't know who really benefits from this Dallas for getting a cancer to their team or Tampa for getting rid of him.

Man that's Phily and Dallas with cancer's on their team now all I need is the Giants to pick up Warren Sapp and my year is made although you don't really need a cancer to add in a bunch of overrated saps since I don't think ESPN will be that stupid to pick them to win the division like they did last year.

[Strider]

Well, I'll be damned! The Eagles actually got T.O.! I still don't like T.O., he's a troublemaking bastard. Nevertheless, I'm sure he's gonna do some good for the team. At least McNabb has somebody to THROW to now.

However, even though this may sound like good news, I'm still predicting that the Eagles are going to choke for the 4th consecutive time.... :D

[TheDeadWalk]

In retrospect about Sapp and Lynch:

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I'm praying that the Bengals make a move on one or both of those guys, and still keep the eye on the draft at a CB.

Welp, Sapp is close to four year deal with Cinci. Wow. All that making fun of him for nine years and now I may have to root for him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-bengalssappdealalmos&prov=fanball&type=lgns

[horrorfreak13]

According to CBS.com Warren Sapp has signed with the Oakland Raiders.

[TheDeadWalk]

Yeah. The fucker. Headline went from "Sapp close to being a Bengal" to "Suprise. Sapp dons the silver and black."

[ICP RULZ]

Well I'm a happy camper now. Me being a Philly fan and all. I mean what more could we ask for....we got T.O. ripping up the field and then now we got someone to anchor down the D and his name starts with a K and ends with a E.....Thats right,Jevon Kearse. I think Philly is the team thats gonna go all the way next year. I am sad about Troy Vincent leaving but I think it's better off as he has rapidly been going down hill. Thrash is leaving Philly and I also think this was a wise choise for him. I honestly can't think of any other team with a better offense or defense than Philly. I mean on O we got McNabb,T.O.,Buckhalter,Pinkston and on D we got KEARSE,Simoneau,Kalu,Dawkins.....I wonder who they are going to get for Vincent though....Anyways,just the thoughts of a philly fan

Peace,
Matt

[Strider]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
According to CBS.com Warren Sapp has signed with the Oakland Raiders.

Hell fucking yeah! Warren Sapp is officially with my team. That sounds damn good to me! Although I'm not sure its going to help much, but its good to have him nevertheless.... :D

Strider

[ICP RULZ]

Originally posted by Strider
I'm not sure its going to help much



I personaly think Philly and Oakland will be the teams to be next year... I think the Raiders are going to do awsome...In a way I almost think it was their plan to do horrible this year and get a good draft pick and then pick up some good D and then their all set. Unless Gannon doesn't come back. I mean they also picked up big Ted Washington. Their going to be a tough team to beat next year.

Peace,
Matt

[chiefxcel]

All I have to say is, have fun running against Oakland. Their offense doesn't scare me though. I don't think they can make the playoffs but time will tell. As for Philly, their offense is definitely much better now and they'll be tough to stop with a great ground game and an improved passing game. It's going to be harder to win their division now though with Washington getting much stronger this offseason. Minnesota, Atlanta, Green Bay, Seattle, and St. Louis should all be contenders as well next season.

[chiefxcel]

Well Reggie Tongue has signed with the NY Jets, and John Lynch has signed with the Denver Broncos.

[TheDeadWalk]

The Rams just signed Chris "Glass Chandelier" Chandler to a three year deal.

This makes me wonder though... a seasoned veteran for backup, when you've got Bulger and Warner. Could the Rams be secretly opting Warner for trade?

[horrorfreak13]

I couldn't resist posting this pic this so fucking hilarious

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/quickie/040324_quickie.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D

EDIT: Also some newsworthy info the NFL has announced that any extended end zone celebration or flamboyant celebrations will now result in a 15 yard penalty From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1767517)

[bmain77]

WTF...Millen must be somewhat intelligent!

Brock Marion signs meaning chances are the Lions aren't talking Sean Taylor. As I think about it more and more trading down for more picks or picking Winslow Jr. here probably does make more sense though I;m not too keen on bringing Kellin. He just rubs me the wrong way.

Rueben Brown and Ian Gold both have been in town this week. If they sign Rueben Brown the Lions will seriously have one of the best o-lines in the league.

The one positive thing I'll say about the Millen years is that they now actually look at UM players. The previous regime used to have a real problem with the Wolverine football program to the point that they outright made fun of Brian Griese the year he and Charlie Batch came out, not that either of them have been stellar up to this point.

[ICP RULZ]

Bobby Taylor got traded off the Eagles.... Anyone know what team he went to? and for what?

Peace,
Matt

[chiefxcel]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
Bobby Taylor got traded off the Eagles.... Anyone know what team he went to? and for what?

Bobby was a free agent, he signed with Seattle for four years.

[ICP RULZ]

Thanks chiefxcel.:D You didn't happen to catch how much money was involved did you?

Peace,
Matt

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Strider
Hell fucking yeah! Warren Sapp is officially with my team. That sounds damn good to me! Although I'm not sure its going to help much, but its good to have him nevertheless.... :D

Strider

Should be interesting to see how he and Washington fit into the scheme of things, especially with the new coach. But will the Raiders pick up Eli Manning? They really should, even if he's not a carbon copy of Peyton.

[horrorfreak13]

It appears the NFL playoffs could increase to 14 teams.

PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A proposal to let two more teams into the NFL playoffs could have a chance at passing at the league meetings after all.

The Kansas City Chiefs will propose an increase in postseason qualifiers from 12 to 14 at this week's meetings. The NFL Competition Committee is against it, and the committee carries much sway.

But several team officials said Sunday they would like to see more playoff teams.

"I'm for anything that gives my team a better chance to make the playoffs," San Francisco 49ers coach Dennis Erickson said.

"I think two more teams in the playoffs would increase the excitement in those cities," added Miami Dolphins president Eddie Jones.

Bob Kraft, owner of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots, co-sponsored the proposal a year ago, when it was voted down. He's indicated he still favors it.

But Rich McKay, co-chairman of the competition committee and general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, doesn't expect passage of the proposal.

"We feel like the current system has worked very well," McKay said. "The playoff number at 12 is a good number and, for competitive reasons, we don't recommend expansion."

The biggest concern is that with 14 teams, only the team with the best record in each conference would get a first-round bye.

"Yes, that would create a potential unreasonable advantage for the No. 1 seed," McKay said. "When you look at the advantage for the bye of the one and two seeds, certainly you see it. To then give it to the No. 1 seed alone definitely is a concern to all of us."

Increasing the playoff field requires 24 of 32 votes. So does making permanent instant replay to aid officials, which also is on the agenda.

That is considered more likely to happen than adding two playoff berths. If it doesn't pass, well ...

"There's always plan 1-B," said John Mara, executive vice president of the New York Giants. "We think we have more than enough votes to get it in permanently, but if we feel there's enough opposition, we're open to compromise."

That compromise probably would be approving replay for five years. It was first used to help officials in the 1986 season, but was voted out in 1992. It returned, with the current system of coaches' challenges, in 1999.

In 2001, the format was approved for three years. Now, the competition committee has voted 8-0 for permanent installment.

"I have my reservations, because we've been hurt by replay a couple of times," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said. "So yes, I'm for it, but I can see some people still wondering."

Replay could include a third coaches' challenge, too, but only if a team is successful on its first two challenges. That must be voted on by the owners, too.

Other items on the agenda include:

*requiring each team to have at least one possession in overtime;

*discussing upcoming negotiations to extend the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Associa tion beyond its expiration date after the 2007 season;

*discussing negotiations on a new television contract. The current one has two seasons left and commissioner Paul Tagliabue already is preparing to talk with the networks about the next deal;

*adding a 15-yard penalty for excessive on-field celebrations, particularly those involving more than one player and those that appear choreographed;

*extending the revenue-sharing agreement for logos and other licensed items

*extending by two days the one-week postseason period to interview assistant coaches for head coaching positions;

*adding an interview process for front-office personnel during that time period.

I'm up for any opportunity of my team having a better chance to making the playoffs but I like the way it is 12 teams make it I think it's much better that way otherwise you add another team which almost makes it possible that a 8-8 team or even worse a 7-9 could get in and I don't like that.

[bmain77]

Don't fucking fix what isn't broken. Next to the NCAA Basketball tourney the NFL probably has the best playoff system. As it is there are too many 8-8 and 9-7 teams getting in. There is no need to let some more 8-8 and even 7-9 teams into the playoffs. The owners just want more money.

I still don't understand the point of the new challenge system. Just give the coaches another challenge. Whats the point of giving them only to teams that either succeed in challenging 2 or fail in 2 attempts.

I'm also beginning to see why the Broncos were so willing to part ways with Portis. I'm not totally clear on all the details, but he actually challenged a Redskin safety (some long somoan name, but he is a returning starter I'm pretty sure) for the #26. Dude get a life. If can't buy they number with cash, lap dances, or weed then give it up and move on. I'll reserve some judgement until I hear all the details, but it's looking more and more like Portis could be another Jackass on the level of a Randy Moss and Terrel Owens. We'll see.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm also beginning to see why the Broncos were so willing to part ways with Portis. I'm not totally clear on all the details, but he actually challenged a Redskin safety (some long somoan name, but he is a returning starter I'm pretty sure) for the #26. Dude get a life. If can't buy they number with cash, lap dances, or weed then give it up and move on. I'll reserve some judgement until I hear all the details, but it's looking more and more like Portis could be another Jackass on the level of a Randy Moss and Terrel Owens. We'll see.

It's Infanyi Ohalate or something like that. Even I have a problem pronouncing it.

It appears the scenario where 14 teams could make the playoffs is dead. The Kansas City Cheifs are taking the propsal off since it does need 24 votes to pass and it doesn't look like that will happen

[chiefxcel]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
Thanks chiefxcel.:D You didn't happen to catch how much money was involved did you?

Four years, 11.8 million :D

[TheDeadWalk]

Bengals get Deltha O'Neal from the Broncos, swap places with em in the first round, AND get a fourth round pick.

The Bengals also won a compensatory pick in the third round, so this means that they'll have six picks by the end of round four.

Nice.

nfldraftcoutndown.com has them taking Clarett in the third.

Eesh.

[Nice Marmot]

Looks like my Browns are going to trade WR Dennis Northcutt to the Broncos for a 3rd round pick. Nothing official posted anywhere yet. I hated to see him go until he & his bonehead agent started acting like such crybabies this offseason.

It's also looking like we will get to trade QB Tim Couch to the Packers for anything from a 3rd to 5th rounder. I'd take anything as long as we don't have to cut him for nothing.

[horrorfreak13]

The full NFL schedule was released today

From ESPN
NEW YORK -- Peyton Manning knew he would be on stage facing the defending Super Bowl champion New England Patriots in the Thursday prime time opener. He found out Wednesday that he also will be working on Thanksgiving Day.

The NFL announced its 17-week, 256-game regular season schedule, whick kicks off with the Patriots hosting the Indianapolis Colts on September 9 in a rematch of the AFC championship game and concludes on Sunday, January 2.

The opening Monday night game will have the NFC champion Carolina Panthers hosting Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers. But for the second straight year, there will be no Monday night game on the final regular season weekend, enhancing the flexibility of scheduling the opening weekend of the playoffs.

The traditional Thanksgiving Day doubleheader will feature Manning and the Colts at Detroit and the Dallas Cowboys will host the Chicago Bears. Dallas will also play the final regular season Sunday night game, visiting the New York Giants.

A Friday afternoon game will be held on December 24 when the Packers visit the Minnesota Vikings.

There have been only eight Christmas Day games in NFL history but there will be two this season as the Kansas City Chiefs meet the Oakland Raiders in the afternoon and Tennessee Titans host the Denver Broncos at night.

The playoffs begin with wild card weekend on January 8-9.

Christmas games for a change that would be ok I guess and for full week by week nfl schedules click
HERE (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/schedule?year=2004)

[TheDeadWalk]

CINCINATTI HAS A MONDAY NIGHT GAME!!!!!

Jesus loves me yes I know, for the bible tells me so.

[Nice Marmot]

4 days in a row of pro football in December!

Friday(Christmas Eve), Saturday (Christmas Day), Sunday (My Browns at the Dolphins that night on ESPN!!!), & then Monday night.

Can you say Suh-Weeeet?!?!

8 days to the draft, the Browns will trade up & take Iowa LT, Robert Gallery.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Nice Marmot
8 days to the draft, the Browns will trade up & take Iowa LT, Robert Gallery.

God Willing.

Actually, I don't care much for Winslow Jr.'s attitude, but if the Browns get him, I will be pleased. I think that a badboy primetime player of his caliber is just what the doctor ordered for the Browns.

Plus, a Tight End is a half lineman anyways, so its the best of both worlds in some ends.

[Nice Marmot]

I agree w/ you. If we don't trade up for Gallery & he & Sean Taylor are already gone at our pick # 7, I'd be more than happy to get Winslow. If he walks the walk in the NFL then let him talk the talk.

[bmain77]

A lot of action in the NFL today.....

Well it appears that Clarett and and Mike Williams likely won't be eligible for the draft this weekend. To Clarett I say enjoy the CFL asshole! (no offense to the CFL watching Schmoes out there)

And to Mike WIlliams I do have some sympathy. I guess there is an appeals process that he can go through to get back his NCAA eligibility if that the path he chooses. It might be wise on his part as it seems his stock has been sliding the past week or so. At least according to everyone's favorite hair piece Mel Kiper.

Even if Clarett's final appeal is successful and both are able to enter the supplemental draft this summer they both stand to lose a whole lot of money especially Williams.

I'm not sure what to make of Corey Dillon going to the Patriots. I'm not ready to call it a great deal yet. It depends on which Dillon shows up. If he returns to the stud RB Dillon then just give the Lombardi trophy to the Patriots right now. It's over. Imagine that Defense and pass attack teamed up with an effective running game. Thats freaking scarey. And I have a feeling Ty Law's days are numbered. Between his chase on foot with the Miami PD and the Patriots not having to use one of their top picks on a back now that frees them to pick up a solid CB and kiss Law goodbye.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by bmain77
I'm not sure what to make of Corey Dillon going to the Patriots. I'm not ready to call it a great deal yet. It depends on which Dillon shows up. If he returns to the stud RB Dillon then just give the Lombardi trophy to the Patriots right now. It's over. Imagine that Defense and pass attack teamed up with an effective running game. Thats freaking scarey. And I have a feeling Ty Law's days are numbered. Between his chase on foot with the Miami PD and the Patriots not having to use one of their top picks on a back now that frees them to pick up a solid CB and kiss Law goodbye.


VERY interesting trade by the Pats. Ive always wondered what they would be like with a great RB and now they have one.

Somehow I dont think that Coach God would get a guy that he didnt think would fit into his system but this is a guy who wanted to be on a winner, thats what he says, so lets see. With all the picks the Pats still have and very good trade bait in Law, who knows. At the same time its not like Law is some fringe player....the guy is the best at what he does in the game.

Somehow, I think that New England will be just fine when the dust clears from this.....they have a RB now....thats insane....they won two without one.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Somehow I dont think that Coach God would get a guy that he didnt think would fit into his system ...

Since when did Bo Schembechler start coaching the Patriots, because we all know that when you say Coach God you have to be referring to Bo :D

If I was Coach God-like :D, I'd get rid of Law asap. While I think the Pats have the leadership to survive having a bad apple or two on the team, why bother? And this is coming from a guy who eats, sleeps, and drinks Michigan football and is constantly accused of wearing Maize and Blue colored glasses when discussing Michigan athletes.

As good as he is, he isn't worth the $9 million or so that he is due this year, especially if its going to include a chip on his shoulder all season. Even the very best at the position that I would rank ahead of him (Champ Bailey, Sam Madison, Woodson) aren't worth that much money. They drafted some good CB's last year and have the picks to land a couple this year. Jeremy Lesuer from UM or Ratliff from Florida would be great pickups in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. So I say trade him for another high pick, though with the money we're talking about here that might be difficult.

On a side note I guess this ends my hope of the Pats drafting Chris Perry. Other than the Lions I was hoping that he ends up in NE with Brady or now in Dallas with Henson.

[Haddonfield]

I cant see a situation where Law is back with New England. He ran his dumb mouth off that he is toast. He will go the way of so many other Boston players....get the money.
And I wont shed a tear because the real "Coach God;) " will have his troops ready and willing.

[Haddonfield]

On a side note about Law. I cant see him running his mouth off like this if he didnt have another team whispering in his agents ear.

I dont think Law will be a hard sell to make.

[ICP RULZ]

PHILLY RULES!!!!!!!!!! MCNABB,KEARSE,T.O.,SIMONEAU,KALU,DAWKINS ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!



Peace,
Matt

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
PHILLY RULES!!!!!!!!!! MCNABB,KEARSE,T.O.,SIMONEAU,KALU,DAWKINS ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!



Peace,
Matt

You forgot to subtract Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent. :D

To update, the Bengals now have SEVEN picks in the first four rounds.

Thanks, Corey.

Now get the fugg out.

[horrorfreak13]

Well it's a good move for both teams Cincinnati gets rid of a whiny bitch and gets a decent draft pick and New England gets a running game.

Kurt Warner is expected to be cut by the Rams after June 1st.

Well as long as he stays the hell away from Dallas or the Giants I'm happy go to the AFC and stay there please.

[TheDeadWalk]

I don't think Warner will be cut, I think that's just his deadline to "get the fugg out". If he hasn't "gotten the fugg out" by June 1st, then he will be kicked "the fugg out".

Now I think would be an opportune time for San Diego. Trade that #1 spot to St. Louis for Warner, with San Diego taking St. Louis' far back spot, and maybe an additional second or third round pick.

That way they don't have to sit around and curse themselves if they get another "Ryan Leaf disaster". With that late pick, they could almost definately get decent linemen like Jake Grove and Justin Smiley, and hell, Stepanovich from Ohio State will be around in the third to fourth round, and he could make a helluva center. Its a nice recipe for filling that interior need, while getting a very nice quarterback that will even things out for you while you concentrate on the ground game of LaDanian Tomlinson.

Warner isn't washed up I don't think. I just think when Martz came to town, he tried to revolutionize his team around Warner. The team was never about Warner, it was about the ground game. Martz is just too egotistical to see this, and if you notice, when Bulger starts, the game seemed to revolve around the ground game like it should. Why? Because Martz was more conservative with Bulger. When he had Warner in there, he wanted to make it the fucking two minute drill all the god damn time.

Tomlinson is one HELL of a back, and to not feature your game around that would be a travesty. Warner is an awesome quarterback when you utilize him as a supplement, not the medicine.

[horrorfreak13]

Well the draft is this weekend and I'm intrested at what the Redskins will do at #5 there is a rumor that they will trade down I don't know if I would do that unless there are more holes to fill but the Redskins could use some more youth on defense I think they signed a TE and released the one they had last year and I vagly remember who they were.

San Diego do you take Warner or take Manning I think I'd take Manning but Warner can go anywhere he wants except The Giants and Dallas stay the hell away from my fucking division.

[bmain77]

I wouldn't touch Warner's born again ass with a 10 ft. pole. While I agree that Martz is a giant jack ass I think it's clear that he has lost some arm strength and more importantly his confidence. Plus I wouldn't want to deal with that irritating wife of his. You know his stock has fallen when there isn't a single team out there that would bring him in as a starter next season.

Is anyone else sick of them including trading their number one pick away to Atlanta a couple years back with their drafting of Ryan Leaf as a mistake? I mean that trade netted Ladanian Tomlinson who I believe has turned out to be a pretty decent back :D and then got a very highly reguarded qb at the time in the second round. Frankly I'm not writing off Drew Brees at this point and as great as Mike Vick is, he really hasn't done anything as of yet to say that he's a better ball player than Tomlinson.

[ICP RULZ]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
You forgot to subtract Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent.


Troy Vincent was going down hill the whole time....He was a great player...One of the best. Not anymore,I think he gets paid too much for his amount of skill. I mean he didn't really do anything for Philly this year.
I never liked Bobby Taylor for the simple fact that I think he is probably the ugliest dude in the NFL right next to Peyton Manning. I hate Manning with a passion. I can't stand the way he plays.

Peace,
Matt

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ
Troy Vincent was going down hill the whole time....He was a great player...One of the best. Not anymore,I think he gets paid too much for his amount of skill. I mean he didn't really do anything for Philly this year.
I never liked Bobby Taylor for the simple fact that I think he is probably the ugliest dude in the NFL right next to Peyton Manning. I hate Manning with a passion. I can't stand the way he plays.

Peace,
Matt

Haha.

While aging (and ugly), they were both still primetime players in that backfield. Hopefully they get the chance to draft some nice prospects or see what the free agent market churns out before the season starts and people start unloading 300 yard passing games on them.

[Strider]

I really don't understand why Eli Manning doesn't want to come to San Diego and play with the Chargers. I know the Chargers are in a dismal state right now, but a quarterback like Eli is just the thing the team needs to start getting back on track. I firmly believe that Eli will help out the Chargers. I know Eli is his youngest son, but why must Archie get involved in all of this? Let Eli pave his own destiny in the NFL. Honestly, while I would like to see Eli come to San Diego, as long as he plays against his older brother sometime during the 2004 NFL regular season, it won't matter to me which team he's playing with. I'll still be happy. :D

If I was in Eli's shoes, I would just forget about San Diego and New York. Instead, I'd try my damnest to get over to the Arizona Cardinals. The Chargers' and any other football teams' troubles are nothing compared to the Cardinals' troubles. The Cardinals need a God-given miracle to become a real football team.... ;)

And if I can just switch topics quickly to discuss the Kurt Warner situation with the St. Louis Rams. I think the Rams are going to ditch him. Warner ruined everything for himself by just opening his damn mouth when he wasn't supposed to. Not only that, he has a weak arm, and cannot throw that damn football the way he used to a couple of years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Warner has a difficult time trying to find a new team to play with, or any team for that matter. Warner may have faith in God, but he has no faith in his abilities to be a confident and strong quarterback.

Strider

[Strider]

Almost forgot. I predict the Chargers WILL get Eli Manning at the 2004 NFL Draft this weekend. There is no way that the Chargers would pass up such a great opportunity to get a potential great like Eli Manning.

Strider

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Strider
I really don't understand why Eli Manning doesn't want to come to San Diego and play with the Chargers. I know the Chargers are in a dismal state right now, but a quarterback like Eli is just the thing the team needs to start getting back on track. I firmly believe that Eli will help out the Chargers. I know Eli is his youngest son, but why must Archie get involved in all of this? Let Eli pave his own destiny in the NFL. Honestly, while I would like to see Eli come to San Diego, as long as he plays against his older brother sometime during the 2004 NFL regular season, it won't matter to me which team he's playing with. I'll still be happy. :D


Get the fuck away from the Giants go to San Diego hey wait the Cardinals need a QB if he thinks the Chargers are a piece of shit just wait until you hit Arizona HAHA!!

Also it might be wishful thinking but the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the CFL have placed Kurt Warner on their negotiations list which means if Kurt Warner doesn't land a job in the NFL he could very well be in the CFL.

Wouldn't that be awesome if Kurt Warner played in the CFL. Alight I quit dreaming about it happening and get back to reality.

[horrorfreak13]

Also the Redskins signed former Giant LB Mike Barrow to a contract YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Skins took a player fromt he fucking Giants. Looks like they filled up every hole they accomplished now I just want to see what the team does at the draft with the #5 pick

[TheDeadWalk]

Fuck Archie.

I don't recall the Indianapolis Colts being anything special before Peyton Manning arrived; they had been in a bit of a drought themselves before he saved that sinking ship.

The 2001-02 season featured a very tough San Diego team, that barely missed out on the playoffs finishing a strong 8-8. If I remember correctly, that was the year they had the OT game against Superbowl runner-up Oakland. Tomlinson broke it for 45 yards and hit paydirt, while the Black hole just started throwing handfuls of garbage on him while he danced in the endzone.

I thought for sure they were a playoff clinch that year, I think they even started off 4-0. They bumbled towards the end of the season, and ended up losing the last playoff bid to the Browns, which in-turn churned a Kelly Holcomb fiasco where he had his 400 yard passing game in a losing effort against the Steelers.

Fuckin A, Chargers. Fuckin A.

[Moviefan1234]

If San Diego doesn't select Eli Manning they deserve to stay in the cellar. I know they're afraid of another Ryan Leaf problem, but I don't think that'll be the case with Eli. I've heard some say if he had more to work with at Ole Miss, he would be looked at as being better than Peyton. My prediction is that the Chargers will trade the pick to the Giants and Eli Manning will become a New York Giant, much to horrorfreak13's liking. ;)

On another note, I'm praying the Bills can somehow get their mits on Roethlisberger or Rivers. I know it's a longshot, but they desperately need a young QB.

[PapaJupe2k]

Are the Chargers giving up on Brees already? Granted he hasn't been anything special, and I guess if opportunity arose to take Manning I would do it too, but it seems a little premature. Eli thinks he can pull a "John Elway" and refuse to play for San Diego. Why wouldn't you want to play with one of the great backs in the NFL in Tomlinson. Certainly he takes an enormous amount of pressure of the qb and also ranks right up there with Faulk and Holmes as the best passing catching back in football. If David Boston gets his head straight he is one of the best wide outs in the game. It seems a curious thing to do.

How high does Robert Gallery go?

Too bad to see former NFL safety Pat Tillman killed in Afghanistan in military action. Turned down 3 million to go make 18,000 and defend the US. Sad indeed.:(

[bmain77]

I thought about opening a thread just for Pat Tillman. That blew me away when I heard about it. Jim Rome dedicated his entire show to Tillman today.

It puts things in perspective for sure. I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up sitting on my couch to go to war and Tillman gives up millions to do it.

I'm curious to see what all the NFL does to honor him. Whatever it is, it will never be enough. I heard someone suggest tomorrow that all the jersey's given out tomorrow at the draft for the photo with Taglibue be number 40. I would hope he gets a special place in the hall of fame.

Say what you want about the president and our government, but you have to have nothing but the deepest respect for the soldiers out there laying in all on the line everyday.

[sharkstank]

RIP Pat Tillman
a true hero



in 9 hours the raiders get roy willliams!YAY!

WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Strider]

How unfortunate and sad to hear that Pat Tillman was killed yesterday. I have so much respect and admiration for the man for deciding to sacrifice the good life, his promising NFL career, and a million dollar contract to serve the country alongside his own brother. Tillman is truly a hero in every sense of the word, as well as an inspiration. I hope he has found a comfortable place in Heaven.

R.I.P.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by PapaJupe2k
If David Boston gets his head straight he is one of the best wide outs in the game. It seems a curious thing to do.

How high does Robert Gallery go?



Since it seemed you were relating Boston to San Diego, I wanted to make sure you knew that Boston was traded to the Miami Dolphins.

As for Gallery, he will not get past pick number four. I firmly believe that if Eli Manning is gone by the second or third pick (Which he will be), the Giants will take him OVER Roethlisberger. I think the Giants are looking for 1 - Manning 2 - Gallery 3 - Roethlisberger.

Browns want to trade up to 1 to get Gallery, but doesn't look like its gonna happen, because San Diego doesn't want Manning going to Oakland. Their best bet is to trade with NYG. If that happens, I look for SD to take Gallery over Roethlisberger. If they go for Big Ben, look out because all bets are off... I'm not sure about Washington and Detroit, but we all know the Browns would happingly take him at #7.

The nfldraftcountdown.com mock has the Raidas taking Gallery at #2. I simply do not see this happening. Al Davis would see the pick as bittersweet, and is going to snatch up likely Fitzgerald or Roy Williams from Texas.

I hope not Fitzgerald, because I like that 'dream come true' story for Fitzy going back to Dennis Green.

[PapaJupe2k]

Poor Eli, he looked like he was going to cry holding up that Chargers jersey, boohoo, sniffle, sniffle. I feel so sorry for him.:rolleyes: Damn those rude New Yorkers booing him like that.:)

Surprising to see Gallery go number two. I'm thinking there still may be a deal made to send him elsewhere, we'll see.

Oooh fishy, Rivers just drafted by New York. Is he on his way to San Diego. Yep there it was. San Diego gets some draft picks as well. They aren't committed to winning Eli? Have fun with those brutal New York fans, you think you got booed at the draft, just wait for your first bad game, hehehe. You got what you wanted, good for you. Would have been funny to see San Diego just pick Rivers no. 1 and fuck over the Giants. They don't care about winning anyway, who needs all those drafts picks?

Good too see Fitzgerald reunited with Denny Green. I always liked Green when he coached Minnesota, seems like a good guy.

O.K. how high does Bobby Sanders go now, first round?:D

Will the clock run out on the Vikings again this year? What an organization, hehehe.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Guess Collins is officially toast now . Only question is how fast he takes to clean out his locker , if there is still something in there . And , who the backup QB will be , because that Bachelor guy is horrible .

Hey , the Giants fan's weren't booing EM , they were booing San Dog for drafting him , because as you can see , they cheered him when the trade went down . I don't know too much about this guy , but if he's even a fraction as good as the experts are saying , then i can see tons of highlight film now of Manning to Shockey , but who knows he could be a bust , but with Coughlin running the show now , i very much doubt it .

Anyway , the Jints went as far as they could with Collins and Fassel , it was time to make some important changes , so for now i'm glad they got the QB they wanted . Only a couple of months before the real fun begins , and we get to see him in some preseason action .

And i really don't see the prob with wanting to play for a certain team , everyone should have a bit of a choice , or a preference . Who the hell wants to be stuck on a team where you'll be miserable .

[Strider]

Well, I really hope Archie is fucking happy now, that his youngest son was drafted to the team HE wanted his son to play for. Now that everyone is happy, I'd like an explanation as to why the Manning family despise San Diego so much. Who wants to explain? Archie? Eli? Peyton, maybe? :D

It was great seeing Eli, though, when the Chargers "picked" him. The guy looked like he was going to piss his pants. I definitely want to see that again.... ;)

[bmain77]

The New York fans really showed their intelligence today booing the guy mercilessly that most people had to know their Giants was going to end up with one way or the other. They changed their tunes really fast.

I can't say I blame Eli for not wanting to land in San Diego. THey have no decent WR's or offensive line. The only thing they had going for them was LT. The Giants essentially have all the pieces in place. Toomer and Hilliard at WR, Tiki at Rb, Jeremy Shockey, and a better line which could still use some improvement. Yeah I'd say the Giants was a much more attractive choice.

Now on to what really matters...Matt Millen may actually being a fucking great GM. If you told me even a week ago that the Lions would draft Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Teddy Lehman to boot I'd of said you were drinking too much. I don't think there was a single team out there that pulled in so much talent. Thank you to the Bungles for drafting Chris Perry. I wouldn't have minded the Lions getting Perry at all, but when the Bungles drafted Perry over Kevin Jones Millen and Marriucci had to wet themselves. Oh man I can't wait for this season to begin. I just love Kevin Jones. I've been saying since August when college football season started that I hope Jones leaves school early so the Lions could draft him. I guess he needs to work on his receiving skills some, but I don't think I saw a better RB in college this season. Neither Stephen Jackson nor even Perry impressed me more than Jones, though to be fair I think I only saw Jackson once or twice. I can't wait until Joey "Ballgame" sticks it up the ass of all the nay sayers this year when he gets all this talent around him.

I also want to send out a giant FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to Michael Irvin for his knocking Roy Williams for going back to school for his senior year. Apparently in Michael Irvin land going back for a forth years shows that you don't really have enough love for the game. I heard Irvin say this earlier this week and I thought then he realized how stupid that sounded, but then he said it again and I realized that Irvin is just a total jackass. I did get a kick out of how he tried to back pedal his way out of his comments though.

[Benny]

The NFL Draft this year was very interesting to say the least. First of all, I'm really pissed about the who Eli Manning scenario. First of all, who doesn't want to go to San Diego? It's warm all year-round there, not like New York. They were in the Super Bowl only 10 years ago too. Also, since when can the draftee decide where he wants to go! What a pompous jerk! Finally, I hope he doesn't work out in New York mainly because I hate the Giants more than any other team in the league (after all I am an Eagles fan). The Giants losing that first-round pick next year will come back to haunt them.

I am convinced that Phillip Rivers is the next Ryan Leaf. Ben Rothlisberger (my choice for Heisman last year) would have made a better choice, he will be a good backup to T-Maddox in Pittsburgh.

Jeez, Kellen Winslow Jr. is a good player, but did the Browns have to give up so much to get him? The Lions by the way had a very good draft (along with the Cardinals). Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald will be awesome for both teams, respectively.

The Eagles once again had a mediocre draft... I did like them trading up to get that tackle though. I will never forget the spring of 1999 when all the Eagles fans in the crowd booed McNabb when we picked him #2 (they wanted Ricky Williams). I'm convinced McNabb was the better choice now, and I hope they are too.

R.I.P. Pat Tillman-- in an era of greedy bastards such as Eli Manning and Maurice Clarett, his story really stands out.

[TheDeadWalk]

I'll give the Eagles a little bit of due Benny. They landed the "steal of the draft" this year, by getting CB/FS Matt Ware from UCLA. This guy was on every mock draft list's first round. Excellent guy who's played both sides of the ball. Nice fit when you lost 2 premiere CB's.

What the fuck was up with ESPN and Minnesota talking shit like they needed a running back? We all know Bennet has turned to shit, but its their own fault for starting him! That team does excellent with Moe Williams, and they could probably even start speed demon Onterrio Smith this year.

Cincinatti drafting Perry.... I was drunk at the time, and still muttered out a "What the fuck..." with my mouth gapped open. I guess that's what you call Rudi insurance. * For reference, check out the Kansas City 2003 first round draft pick. *

As for late round coverage... Holy shit! Cinci just drafted a WR/KR in the fifth round... Maurice Mann from Nevada. Dude can run a 40 in 4.37! This could be Cincinatti's answer to the Michael Lewis/Dante Hall fad.:D

[MixMasterMoose]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
What the fuck was up with ESPN and Minnesota talking shit like they needed a running back? We all know Bennet has turned to shit, but its their own fault for starting him! That team does excellent with Moe Williams, and they could probably even start speed demon Onterrio Smith this year.

Please clarifiy. Minnesota did need a RB. With Bennet barely playing last year and no one on the roster behind Williams and Smith they desperately needed depth at RB. Plus "Its their own fault for starting him"? Puhlease. Im not going to argue that he is a world class running back but he is more than good enough (when healthly) for the job. In his second season starting he had the second highest ypc (5.1) and set an NFL record runs over 60+ yeards in three consecutive games. In the 8 games he played in last year he averaged 5 ypc.

Originally posted by Benny
The Eagles once again had a mediocre draft... I did like them trading up to get that tackle though. .

Reid was saying that he can (or will?) be playing guard but than again this pick makes no sense to me what-so-ever. Depth at guard (or tackle) for the Eagles wasnt great but it could have been addressed later. The eagles are in win now mode so why didnt they take an impact player (RB perhaps? They had the pick of the whole lot). Matt Ware is a steal if he can prove that he can stay in shape, which was one the reasons he slipped so much (plus a horrid pro day or combine...I forget which one.)

Collins will be in New York for one more season. He can't be traded or relaesed because of salary cap implications. I am not 100% sure of the number but I think his number is 5-7 million. Last time I checked the Giants had around $2 million under the cap so barring some VERY creative work by the NY Giants organization Collins should be staying. Anyone else feel that the Giants got severely ripped in the deal for Eli?

Weren't the Giants fans booing Eli not SD? I thought (but again I could be wrong) they were chanting 'Put on the the hat' or something to that effect.

Don't blame Eli for not wanting to go to SD. No o-line or recievers. Only LT. I can see this upcoming season for rivers going as so:
1. Passed play called.
2. Rivers comes to the line
3. Rivers looks at his recievers.
4. Rivers looks at his line.
5. Rivers looks at the defense.
6. Rivers turning to LT mouthing the word 'sorry' and audibling to a run play.

INteresting to see that Oakland went with Gallery. For a change building for the future. Amazing.

Matt Millen...wow. 2nd best running back (IMO) and another great reciever. Joey Harrington is going to have a hard on for a week. Look for the NFC North to get very very interesting now.

Goodbye Mike. Pack's first two picks? CB's. Go bitch somewhere else.

My steal of the draft goes to the Chargers for getting all they could out of the Giants and some more. The vikings come in a close second if Udeze is healthy.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think the fans were booing the Chargers in lieu of Eli , cause they started cheering him once the trade was announced . He took the heat because i doubt they even knew who to boo in the San Dog administration .


The Giants can release Collins if they want , but they would still be obligated to pay him , but i don't think it would count towards the cap since he won't be a member of the organization if they waive his rights . If they do that , it would free up some space to sign some O Lineman and maybe a corner and a D lineman . I'm not sure how the cap works exactly , so i'm only speculating , and you never know if some other team would want him in a trade , with the Giants eating at least half of his contract , that would be an attractive option for a prospective team , Collins for 3.5 mil , not too bad for an excellent QB who's proven , at least when he has decent protection .

[bmain77]

I'm fairly certain that Collins will be cut. It's my understanding that the Giants will be on the hook for about 2 million dollars which is the portion of his signing bonus that he is due for the season. However his salary, I think almost 6 million, would be off the books. THey said they intended to keep him around if they drafted Rothlisburger or Rivers, but if they got Eli they planned on throwing him right into the starting role. Actually with all the pieces in place in NY that probably is the wisest move.

I have a feeling until they reconstruct their line its going to be Drew Brees who takes all the beatings in San Diego.

Here is one for scary coincidences. Kevin Jones did a Reebok commercial where he puts on a Lions hat and says 'I'm a Lion.'

Anyone want to take bets on when Marshall Faulk gets injured and fantasy players all over the world clamor to pick up Stephen Jackson? I going with week 4.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Eli Manning is a Giant also I don't think the fans were happy to give up a 1st and 5th round pick next year for him man I like what San Diego got back in return.

I also like what the Redskins got with their pick Sean Taylor from all the things I hear about him he's going to be a great player.

RIP Pat Tillman that's too bad what happened to him he decided to serve in Afganistan and not take the money he would have gotten in the NFL it's too bad.

[chiefxcel]

Washington has done a tremendous job filling their holes in the offseason I think they're going to take their division this year. Brunell, Portis, Thrash, Daniels, Griffin, Barrow, Washington, Springs, Harris, and now Sean Taylor. What an offseason.

[dellamorte dellamore]

If the Giants win a Supe Bowl with EM , eventually , nobody will care what it took to get him , so it's all a matter of what type of success they experience that will determine how high a price they paid .

Yep , the Skins def improved themselves , and now with a great coach in there , they should be dangerous .

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose
Please clarifiy. Minnesota did need a RB. With Bennet barely playing last year and no one on the roster behind Williams and Smith they desperately needed depth at RB. Plus "Its their own fault for starting him"? Puhlease. Im not going to argue that he is a world class running back but he is more than good enough (when healthly) for the job. In his second season starting he had the second highest ypc (5.1) and set an NFL record runs over 60+ yeards in three consecutive games. In the 8 games he played in last year he averaged 5 ypc.



Yes, Bennet might have averaged 5 ypc in the 8 games he played last year, but keeping in mind that there are 16 games a season, that doesn't hold up for much. Moe Williams did a solid covering job, and I think Onterrio Smith could be this team's feature back this year. He's got talent and skills, and with Mo-Mo Bay backing him up gives defenses a running nightmare.

Bennet is just a Vikes version of Fred Taylor. He's a liability and you can't count on him. Send him to Oakland so he can rust, or cut him loose. With those two backs, they can pick up a scrub on the free agency market and not have to worry.

ESPN was making it sound like they needed someone like Stephen Jackson PRONTO. I don't think so, they landed a nice DE in Kenechi Udze to play on that D-Line where they are hurting the most.

Sota's got the Offense down pat, and their horrid defense that kept them from getting to the playoffs was their utmost priority. Especially when your playoff hopes went down the drain last season thanks to a Josh McCown hailmary. Who is Josh McCown again? Oh... that rookie qb from Arizona last year.

But seeing that the Vikes used 6 of 8 picks for defense is pleasing to see. They did however, land a fourth round pick on Tulane RB Mewelde Moore. I'm just glad they didn't waste a top rounder trying to get Jackson or Kevin Jones.

NFL.com front page:

The Giants gave up a lot to get Eli Manning at the 2004 NFL Draft, and now that list includes incumbent quarterback Kerry Collins. In a financial move, Collins is about to be released after five years in New York. "I figured there was no reason to hang around," Collins said.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
The Giants gave up a lot to get Eli Manning at the 2004 NFL Draft, and now that list includes incumbent quarterback Kerry Collins. In a financial move, Collins is