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#1myersfan
02-24-2004, 03:57 AM
This is just some more worthless information on a movie few even care about but in case anyone cares......
Towards the end of Halloween 5 the police are hiding out in Michael's house. Jaime starts crying out to Billy. The scene cuts to Dr. Loomis who is pacing back and forth in a hallway in the house. If you look closely at the wall behind him you'll notice there's a very distinguished THORN symbol....
Has anybody else noticed this?
~Joe
pyscho dude
02-24-2004, 03:08 PM
No, but if I see H5 again I'll look for it.
KillerKlown
02-24-2004, 03:20 PM
I didn't spot that one, but I did notice that there was shit all over the screen throughout the entire film. :D
jagged halo
02-24-2004, 03:57 PM
I didn't spot the hidden symbol either, likewise I couldn't detect an ounce of quality during the entire fiasco.
My DVD player has only recently got back to its old self again :D
countchocula
02-24-2004, 06:04 PM
Upon repeated viewings, I've also noticed a subtle cryptogram buried deep within H5. Toward the climax, if you increase the volume, you can almost hear the dissuading sound of Michael Myers gagging on Moustapha Akkad's dick.
TheAxeGrinder
02-24-2004, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
Upon repeated viewings, I've also noticed a subtle cryptogram buried deep within H5. Toward the climax, if you increase the volume, you can almost hear the dissuading sound of Michael Myers gagging on Moustapha Akkad's dick.
This could also be the sound of fans reacting to this 'storyline'.
Queen_Akasha
02-24-2004, 11:33 PM
I didnt see that but I will look for it next time.
jagged halo
02-25-2004, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
Upon repeated viewings, I've also noticed a subtle cryptogram buried deep within H5. Toward the climax, if you increase the volume, you can almost hear the dissuading sound of Michael Myers gagging on Moustapha Akkad's dick.
Can't say I noticed a climax of any kind.
countchocula
02-25-2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by jagged halo
Can't say I noticed a climax of any kind.
I was referring to that of Akkad. :D
In all seriousness, H5 does have a decent third act. The "laundry chute" scenario is tense, and whether she's mute or shrieking at the top of her lungs, Jamie is still likeable.
Haddonfield
02-25-2004, 09:40 PM
Ive been over this many times...:)
Halloween 5 is the hidden gem in the series. It even has an old school Friday the 13th feel to it at times.
It was the only sequel to use the POV shots in the right way and have Mike do some stalking in the daytime the right way. I plead for everyone to watch this bad boy again with an open mind. It really isnt that bad. There is some real suspense in this movie and Harris played the part of her life. She was fantastic. Just watch her in the opening "nightmare" she had...thats some good stuff right there.
yes I know the mask sucks, but it sure beats watching 6 kids on a web cam.
Also Loomis is insane here. He really lost it, the guy is hell bent on using Jamie any way he can to destroy Mike.
This is by far a patch work movie. If u really watch it u can pin point many scenes where the lips dont match up to the words and there is an obvious stage echo while people shout. and all that adds to the fun.
This movie is filled with shadows and light and subtle hints at things gone by....the barn scene does take away from the movie and ill agree it was very boring.....but everything else is so spot on I could care less about 15 minutes.
Go watch this movie...they tried to make a good movie. and it shows. Its hit and miss sometimes but its not your standard fluff horror we are getting now a days.
and my typical sentence has to be said...yes my handle is Haddonfield but I am no mark for the series.
Halloween 5 deserves its rightful place in horror!!!
:)
teenkiller
02-26-2004, 06:32 AM
I think I heard that mentioned on the site before but I never really noticed it myself. And I agree with Haddonfield. This movie isn't really that bad. I'd rather watch this than the Season of the Witch, Curse, H20, Ressurection, and hell maybe even the original. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.
#1myersfan
02-26-2004, 06:32 AM
Ya damn right Haddonfield! I actually agree with you 100%. There's no way people can bash part 5 without admitting that H8 was worse. I'd watch 5 over 8 any day. ROCK!
~Joe
pyscho dude
02-26-2004, 04:13 PM
Halloween 5 isn't that bad of a movie. Sure it's not the best but at least it's no H20 or Ressurection.
countchocula
02-26-2004, 08:30 PM
I'd rather watch Resurrection. There, I said it. They're both hollow, but at least Resurrection entertained me.
KillerKlown
02-27-2004, 03:25 PM
I'd rather watch Gigli! :D
jagged halo
02-27-2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
I'd rather watch Resurrection. There, I said it. They're both hollow, but at least Resurrection entertained me.
The entertainment wouldn't happen to be the dissuading sound of Michael Myers gagging on Moustapha Akkad's dick, would it?.
;)
Gotta love those cryptograms!!.
countchocula
02-27-2004, 08:05 PM
Ah, but in H5, Akkad splooged all over Mikey's face. In H8, Mikey swallowed, which is ever so slightly more dignified.
Elgyn
02-27-2004, 10:33 PM
If you look closely, in the scene where we first see the two 'bumbling cops' and we hear the goofy clown music, you can see Michael Myers in the background shaking his head in embarressment.
Duke Nukem
02-27-2004, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Haddonfield
Ive been over this many times...:)
Halloween 5 is the hidden gem in the series. It even has an old school Friday the 13th feel to it at times.
It was the only sequel to use the POV shots in the right way and have Mike do some stalking in the daytime the right way. I plead for everyone to watch this bad boy again with an open mind. It really isnt that bad. There is some real suspense in this movie and Harris played the part of her life. She was fantastic. Just watch her in the opening "nightmare" she had...thats some good stuff right there.
yes I know the mask sucks, but it sure beats watching 6 kids on a web cam.
Also Loomis is insane here. He really lost it, the guy is hell bent on using Jamie any way he can to destroy Mike.
This is by far a patch work movie. If u really watch it u can pin point many scenes where the lips dont match up to the words and there is an obvious stage echo while people shout. and all that adds to the fun.
This movie is filled with shadows and light and subtle hints at things gone by....the barn scene does take away from the movie and ill agree it was very boring.....but everything else is so spot on I could care less about 15 minutes.
Go watch this movie...they tried to make a good movie. and it shows. Its hit and miss sometimes but its not your standard fluff horror we are getting now a days.
and my typical sentence has to be said...yes my handle is Haddonfield but I am no mark for the series.
Halloween 5 deserves its rightful place in horror!!!
:)
I second that. Like a lot of you, I used to hate this movie too. But, I gave it a second chance some months ago, and it surprised me. The movie isn't that bad.
First, I loved the opening of the movie. Michael carving/slasing that pumpkin, while a cool re-tuning of the "Halloween" theme plays...it was a dark feel and I loved it. I never stopped enjoying the movie from there.
Second, it does what had to be done. It corrects H4's horrible ending. Yeah, that ending was "shocking" and "suspenseful,"... but not in a good way. How could Jamie become the family killer? Michael is the family killer! Not Jamie.
So, in H5, we were supposed to follow the misadventures of serial killer Jamie Lloyd?? This would never have worked. The series was always about Michael being the bad guy, not anyone else. H5 was wise in ignoring that. And, if H5 had to do it through Jamie becoming mute and having a psychic connection with Michael, so be it. It corrected H4's error.
Another thing. That clown effect we hear around the cops...we only hear ONE TIME for 10 SECONDS. Is 10 seconds going to ruin a 90 minute movie? Hardly. It is only a very small fraction of the running time. I don't know why the director included that, but that is not enough to ruin the movie. Not for me.
The characters. The characters are kind of vague at the moment, but from what I remember, they weren't that bad. Let's see...there was Rachel of course, Michael (the tough guy), Tina (she is not that bad), and the obligatory horny friends that end up doing it and dying. It is anybody's opinion, but I don't think they were that bad, characteristically, and in the acting department. Certainly not Tina. A few, especially Arrow, pin point her as if her porformance was atrocious or something. I don't agree. And the rest of the actors weren't that bad either. Just my opinion. And, its my opinion that I think a lot of you H5 haters bash this aspect and a lot of other aspects of H5 too much.
Action and suspense. There were some real genuine suspense here. The film built up slowly to it, but when it led to it, it was cool. The car chase scene, Michael's take over of his house when Dr. Loomis tries to lure Michael, and the laundry shoot scene. I felt it. And there was more. There was the moment when Jamie flees when she suspects Michael is after her (but really isn't). And there was the barn scene with the naughty guy and girl. Maybe its just me, but I don't think it took too long with the suspense. It was certainly worth it. Those to get it bad from Michael!
More importantly, H5, I've figured out, holds the secret of stopping the evil within Michael. Dr. Loomis figures that Micheal holds not only an evil, but a rage. A rage that can handled in proper emotional moments. Such a moment can break Michael out of is evil trance. And it does...briefly. The scene where Jamie yells "Uncle!," and Michael stops and takes off his mask. It is very dark and we only see his eyes...and we see him shed a tear. Then, he gets back in the trance. don't you see? This film holds the secret to stopping Michael. And, its brought up in H6. Dr. Loomis brings up Michael's rage. This is something I've noticed from H5. Michael's crying scene really does mean something.
Then, there's the man in black. We never what is meant of him. We aren't meant to know for six years until "Halloween 6: The Curse of Michael Myers." But, this film wasn't meant to be about the man in black. This film was only meant to introduce him and the thorn cult (we see the thorn symbol on his and Michael's wrists). Now if only, in 1995, they released the damn original cut instead of re-shooting it all...
Anyway, this is why I think "Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers" is underrated. Few will agree. More will disagree. And, I might get more to understand the movie more. But, oh well. I agree with Haddonfield that all of you should give "Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers" a second chance.
My rating for H5
**1/2 (out of 4).
Again, this movie is NOT that bad. Just give it a chance.
countchocula
02-28-2004, 12:13 AM
HEAVY SPOILERS FOR HALLOWEEN 4
Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Second, it does what had to be done. It corrects H4's horrible ending. Yeah, that ending was "shocking" and "suspenseful,"... but not in a good way. How could Jamie become the family killer? Michael is the family killer! Not Jamie.
So, in H5, we were supposed to follow the misadventures of serial killer Jamie Lloyd?? This would never have worked. The series was always about Michael being the bad guy, not anyone else. H5 was wise in ignoring that. And, if H5 had to do it through Jamie becoming mute and having a psychic connection with Michael, so be it. It corrected H4's error.
A series can evolve. Plot threads can twist to their author's content. Had Jamie filled her uncle's shoes, H5 might not have been yet another customary slasher. Halloween (the franchise) is not "about" Michael. Discounting Season of the Witch (another credible attempt at getting the story arc out of its rut), it's about the travails of the entire Strode clan. However, the masses cling to household icons, so Michael remained in the limelight at the behest of mindless moviegoers. Jamie is one of the most intriguing heroines in slasher film history. So what does Akkad do? He strips her of dialogue.
I've given H5 numerous chances, each one more fruitless than the last. The characters are grating, the pace is listless, and Dr. Loomis is simply redundant by this point. But yes, the opening credits are cool.
ANTBond007
02-28-2004, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by Haddonfield
Ive been over this many times...:)
Halloween 5 is the hidden gem in the series. It even has an old school Friday the 13th feel to it at times.
It was the only sequel to use the POV shots in the right way and have Mike do some stalking in the daytime the right way. I plead for everyone to watch this bad boy again with an open mind. It really isnt that bad. There is some real suspense in this movie and Harris played the part of her life. She was fantastic. Just watch her in the opening "nightmare" she had...thats some good stuff right there.
yes I know the mask sucks, but it sure beats watching 6 kids on a web cam.
Also Loomis is insane here. He really lost it, the guy is hell bent on using Jamie any way he can to destroy Mike.
This is by far a patch work movie. If u really watch it u can pin point many scenes where the lips dont match up to the words and there is an obvious stage echo while people shout. and all that adds to the fun.
This movie is filled with shadows and light and subtle hints at things gone by....the barn scene does take away from the movie and ill agree it was very boring.....but everything else is so spot on I could care less about 15 minutes.
Go watch this movie...they tried to make a good movie. and it shows. Its hit and miss sometimes but its not your standard fluff horror we are getting now a days.
and my typical sentence has to be said...yes my handle is Haddonfield but I am no mark for the series.
Halloween 5 deserves its rightful place in horror!!!
:)
Point #1... I'm supposed to enjoy it because it looks shoddy and is dumb as hell? Because that's what the early Friday the 13ths are.
Point #2... To use POVs the right way? This must be another F13 thing. This is the only film in the series where Michael stands out in broad daylight staring at someone, who then turns (i.e., Rachel), looks straight at him, and doesn't notice.
Yep, great use of the POV shots there, guys.
Point #3... The six kids on the webcam entertained me, and made a halfway decent standalone flick. That, and Brad Loree is better than anything in Halloween 5, including Donald Pleasence's painfully over-the-top Loomis.
Point #4... Because they were trying to make a good movie I should enjoy it? What? I'm sure Tommy Lee Wallace wanted Halloween III to be good, too, but it's still painfully contrived with shoddy pacing and performances.
Halloween 5 is terrible. I've given it enough chances. It's an excellent example of a rushed sequel -- terrible script, terrible actors, terriblestoryline. The only decent things about it are Danielle Harris' performance and Girard's unique (though hardly good) directing.
You're right, Haddonfield. Halloween 5 does deserves its rightful place in horror history: near the bottom of the list.
Elgyn
02-28-2004, 06:15 AM
I agree 100% with everything ANTBond007 just said.
I`ll take "H8" over "H5" any day.
jagged halo
02-28-2004, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by countchocula
Ah, but in H5, Akkad splooged all over Mikey's face. In H8, Mikey swallowed, which is ever so slightly more dignified.
The 'lengths' some people will go to, just to secure another instalment :D
Haddonfield
02-28-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by ANTBond007
Point #1... I'm supposed to enjoy it because it looks shoddy and is dumb as hell? Because that's what the early Friday the 13ths are.
Point #2... To use POVs the right way? This must be another F13 thing. This is the only film in the series where Michael stands out in broad daylight staring at someone, who then turns (i.e., Rachel), looks straight at him, and doesn't notice.
Yep, great use of the POV shots there, guys.
Point #3... The six kids on the webcam entertained me, and made a halfway decent standalone flick. That, and Brad Loree is better than anything in Halloween 5, including Donald Pleasence's painfully over-the-top Loomis.
Point #4... Because they were trying to make a good movie I should enjoy it? What? I'm sure Tommy Lee Wallace wanted Halloween III to be good, too, but it's still painfully contrived with shoddy pacing and performances.
Halloween 5 is terrible. I've given it enough chances. It's an excellent example of a rushed sequel -- terrible script, terrible actors, terriblestoryline. The only decent things about it are Danielle Harris' performance and Girard's unique (though hardly good) directing.
You're right, Haddonfield. Halloween 5 does deserves its rightful place in horror history: near the bottom of the list.
Toche!
1. I will agree, Most Friday's linger on bordom and its all about watching Jason slice someone, but there is a certain atmosphere they carry that I am fond of and H5 had some of that.
2. lets be honest, the original Halloween was the master of the POV. While my statement about H5 using it the right way may sound too broad, in the contex of the Halloween series no other sequel had Mike doing his hide and go seek as well as 5. Carpenter played with Lauries head in having Mike dissapear, we dont get that hear but we do get a sense of daytime stalking that is not there in any other sequl. as far as the Rachael example...Ill leave that to my last point.
3.. Have to disagree about this one. H8 was too cookie cutter. Fluff is a word that comes to mind. Brad did play a hell of a Mike and thats pretty much the only good thing about part 8. The webcam idea may have been great 5 years ago but they beat a dead horse. And Loomis has always been one of the best reasons to watch any Halloween film. Sure in 5 he gives his same old speeches but he also give Jamie the riot act, gets as close to Michael as weve ever seen, and uses Jamie in ways that is downright messed up...all of which lends to my "Loomis is insane" remake...
4. You got me on that one...That statement I made about them trying to make a good movie is more about just defending the movie over all.
5. Regarding Rachael not seeing Mike in the house, and pretty much every mistake in the movie...I never said its not without its problems. Its not a perfect movie. In fact, it sure is a rush job but there is something about it that has a certain aura about it that, for me, stands out in the movie. I really think they tried to use points of the original while being the 2nd part of a trilogy. Its a darker and better movie than 4 and 6...I have not seen one horror movie that didnt have at least one boring moment in it and this one is no different. But between the acting, the story, the directing, and the campy factor....shite...I just love the damn thing...:)
glad im not writting a paper on this thing :D
Haddonfield
02-28-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
Jamie is one of the most intriguing heroines in slasher film history. So what does Akkad do? He strips her of dialogue.
True, but her being a mute also added something. I felt even worse for her and how can you not love her acting in her first scene? If she was able to talk there it would have taken something away from the moment.
ANTBond007
02-28-2004, 01:03 PM
Jamie was the only thing I liked in Halloween 5. Everything was screwed up -- they couldn't even make the Myers house look anything like the first two films. I could buy a different house, since they were shooting in Salt Lake City, but couldn't they choose something a little more in line with the first two films?
Bash Resurrection, but it frickin' nailed Michael's house.
And call H8 cookie-cutter, but at least it did something different for the series. Halloween 5 is Part 4, just dumbed down to soap opera-like levels (and the film looks like a soap opera at times) and featuring characters that were several times over more unlikeable.
countchocula
02-28-2004, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Haddonfield
3.. Have to disagree about this one. H8 was too cookie cutter. Fluff is a word that comes to mind. Brad did play a hell of a Mike and thats pretty much the only good thing about part 8. The webcam idea may have been great 5 years ago but they beat a dead horse.
H5 is fluff. Fluff doesn't have to involve rappers and trendy storylines. H5 is a teen-oriented slasher, and I imagine that there were as many "cool" genre addicts griping about it upon the film's release as there were when H8 vitiated multiplexes. And yes, I probably would have been one of them. I have nothing against fluff, though. H2 is fluff, and it abrogates the past four Halloween chapters.
jagged halo
02-28-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
H5 is fluff. Fluff doesn't have to involve rappers and trendy storylines. H5 is a teen-oriented slasher, and I imagine that there were as many "cool" genre addicts griping about it upon the film's release as there were when H8 vitiated multiplexes. And yes, I probably would have been one of them. I have nothing against fluff, though. H2 is fluff, and it abrogates the past four Halloween chapters.
The past four chapters abrogate H2 in retrospect :rolleyes:
Fluff on the other hand can easily be dismissed, by way of a hoover.
Haddonfield
02-28-2004, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
H5 is fluff. Fluff doesn't have to involve rappers and trendy storylines. H5 is a teen-oriented slasher, and I imagine that there were as many "cool" genre addicts griping about it upon the film's release as there were when H8 vitiated multiplexes. And yes, I probably would have been one of them. I have nothing against fluff, though. H2 is fluff, and it abrogates the past four Halloween chapters.
I have not said a thing about rappers...but know that u mention it! :)
Fluff in my eyes means a movie that spits at the audience and is just there to make a buck (Scream 3 anyone?) Halloween 8 is just that. Sure Akkad didnt have the best intentions when he produced H5 but the end result sure as shite isnt a bad movie.
Ill bet a thousand bucks if they just used a different mask in H5 views would have been different.
Haddonfield
02-28-2004, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by ANTBond007
Jamie was the only thing I liked in Halloween 5. Everything was screwed up -- they couldn't even make the Myers house look anything like the first two films. I could buy a different house, since they were shooting in Salt Lake City, but couldn't they choose something a little more in line with the first two films?
Bash Resurrection, but it frickin' nailed Michael's house.
And call H8 cookie-cutter, but at least it did something different for the series. Halloween 5 is Part 4, just dumbed down to soap opera-like levels (and the film looks like a soap opera at times) and featuring characters that were several times over more unlikeable.
I agree, not sure what they were going for with the house but it did make a hell of a scene with the laundry shoot and another with Loomis bating Mike down the steps.
H8 did nail the Myers house but they did it for all the wrong reasons...setting up false concepts about his past...had that been real, then it takes the story into another level.
H6 also did something different for the series and how did that turn out?
H5 is not H4 dumbed down, its a continuation of a storyline much like part 2. Sure they could have gone in 10 different directions but Ill stand by the one they took.
ANTBond007
02-29-2004, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by Haddonfield
I have not said a thing about rappers...but know that u mention it! :)
Fluff in my eyes means a movie that spits at the audience and is just there to make a buck (Scream 3 anyone?) Halloween 8 is just that. Sure Akkad didnt have the best intentions when he produced H5 but the end result sure as shite isnt a bad movie.
Ill bet a thousand bucks if they just used a different mask in H5 views would have been different.
Really? People hate the H4 mask, yet love the movie. And they love the H6 mask, yet generally hate that sequel. The mask isn't as important as you'd think.
And I have to keep griping about this -- every movie is made "just to make a buck." Every Halloween film since 1981 (yes, that includes the precious H2) was conceived, scripted, and produced for the sole purpose of making money.
To think differently is rather naive.
shoe1985
02-29-2004, 10:21 AM
Possible Spoilers Ahead
I decided to watch the movie again today and everyone complains about the mask, the reason for the bad mask was he went through water with it and it got ruined. Of course it looks like crap. There is your reason for the bad mask. The filmakers tried to make a good movie, but Akkad wanted it out as fast as possible. Halloween 4 did so well, he saw money, and he didn't care about quality, or the fans.Now he looks back and wishes he would have let Rachel live until the end. I heard a rumor that he didn't want Jamie to die in Halloween 6, but Dimension Films did, so she was killed off quickly. In an early script, Jamie lived until the end and was killed by Michael. The scrit was supposed to be really good, but Dimension messed it up. H5 is a film that will draw a lot of heat from all fans. Some hate it, some love it. I think it is underated, and it is good for being rushed.
ANTBond007
02-29-2004, 01:20 PM
Kind of funny, then, that even with the water excuse, Michael's mask is in bulk-H5 form when they show him in the mineshaft...
countchocula
02-29-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Haddonfield
Fluff in my eyes means a movie that spits at the audience and is just there to make a buck (Scream 3 anyone?) Halloween 8 is just that. Sure Akkad didnt have the best intentions when he produced H5 but the end result sure as shite isnt a bad movie.
Ill bet a thousand bucks if they just used a different mask in H5 views would have been different.
Fluff is vacuous, senseless entertainment. As ANT pointed out, just about every studio-financed film exists solely to generate a profit, especially slasher sequels. Both H5 and H8 go through the motions. Personally, I find one to be less of an affront than the other, but neither film outpaces the average "hack 'em up" quickie. With or without the catawampus mask, H5 (one of these days, I'll take the time to type out the full title) left a bad taste in my mouth.
jagged halo
02-29-2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
Fluff is vacuous, senseless entertainment. As ANT pointed out, just about every studio-financed film exists solely to generate a profit, especially slasher sequels. Both H5 and H8 go through the motions. Personally, I find one to be less of an affront than the other, but neither film outpaces the average "hack 'em up" quickie. With or without the catawampus mask, H5 (one of these days, I'll take the time to type out the full title) left a bad taste in my mouth.
Much like poor old Mr Myers on the wobbly set of H8 :D
Jokes aside H5 comes across as a rather rushed affair, terrible direction, coupled with that we have lack lustre performances from virtualy all quarters, with the exception of Danielle Harris who never fails to impress even with the lightweight material she has to work with.
Dear old Donald Pleasance looks as though he'd rather be anywhere than on the set of H5 and who could blame him?.
This instalment dies on its exploitative arse within minutes,
H6 follows an all too familiar pattern. I have been dis-enchanted with this series ever since since Rick Rosenthal decided Hospitals carry all the commotion of a library at closing time.
Just for the record H9 I feel will effortlessly sail to the top of the cringe worthy pile.
One last point, studio-financed projects exist soley to generate revenue and profit, much like any other film of a particular genre, this business is not exclusive to slasher sequels.
IMHO.
countchocula
02-29-2004, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by jagged halo
I have been dis-enchanted with this series ever since since Rick Rosenthal decided Hospitals carry all the commotion of a library at closing time.
This is a common quibble associated with H2, but having been a patient at a fairly large hospital in a small town late at night, the film's depiction of a hospital isn't so discrepant. Not every infirmary is constantly on the go.
Duke Nukem
02-29-2004, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
This is a common quibble associated with H2, but having been a patient at a fairly large hospital in a small town late at night, the film's depiction of a hospital isn't so discrepant. Not every infirmary is constantly on the go.
As one of the cop characters says, Haddonfield was a quiet town until Michael came back. I'm not saying that people in Haddonfield never got injured and had to be hospitalized, but Haddonfield did seem to be one of those small towns.
And as one of the hospital staff says, much of the staff was out because of incidents Michael's caused. Something like that.
I wouldn't worry about this "plothole." The whole time that Michael killed off the hospital staff and pursued Laurie had to be within 2 to 3 hours.
jagged halo
02-29-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
This is a common quibble associated with H2, but having been a patient at a fairly large hospital in a small town late at night, the film's depiction of a hospital isn't so discrepant. Not every infirmary is constantly on the go.
Likewise I have never experienced an infirmary with empty wards and silent corridors, Infirmary's by their very nature are generaly busy environments.
Anyway without wishing to split hairs the aforementioned didn't help the already muddled, disjointed affair. Perhaps an alternative location would have suited H2 in retrospect.
RIP Halloween'78
KillerKlown
02-29-2004, 06:12 PM
My first job after graduating involved installing hardware & software for hospitals and it's surprising how quiet they get after 9pm. There was one in particular (Falkirk) where I walked from the main IT block all the way to the main reception without encountering one person, and it was really creepy.
jagged halo
02-29-2004, 06:36 PM
Are you sure you hadn't mistaken the Infirmary for the Morgue?.
Lol!. ;)
KillerKlown
02-29-2004, 06:43 PM
It's funny you say that, as in a large percentage of hospitals, the IT department, or the server room is right next to the mortuary.
I suppose it's because they want the servers down in the basement, out of the way... Just like the dead bodies. :eek: Fortunately, I never saw anything nasty.
ANTBond007
02-29-2004, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by countchocula
This is a common quibble associated with H2, but having been a patient at a fairly large hospital in a small town late at night, the film's depiction of a hospital isn't so discrepant. Not every infirmary is constantly on the go.
I really don't like Halloween II at all, but the hospital in the film isn't as big as some people think. It has two main floors and a basement.
So, considering the hospital isn't massive, it would seem okay to me that they wouldn't have a large patient-base, either.
jagged halo
02-29-2004, 06:49 PM
I'm afraid I look for even the slightest measure of realism even if I am watching a film which displays not one ounce of plausibility.
Elgyn
02-29-2004, 10:32 PM
About "H2"`s hospital setting, Carpenter originally wanted it to be in a high-security apartment building, but I guess it eventually changed to a hospital.
As for hospitals always being busy, once I was in my local hospital (medium-sized town) and I was unable to walk temporarly. I was in a wheelchair and a nurse left me in a particular hallway, saying another nurse was supposed to come get me there. So she left and I sat in this completely DESERTED hallway for what seemed like forever. The other nurse never came, and I actually started YELLING for someone to come help me (remember I couldn`t stand or walk). It took a while for anyone to hear me.
So yes, hospitals CAN be empty sometimes.
shoe1985
03-03-2004, 03:36 PM
I decided to watch this movie again for the 2nd time in a week, and I think the more I watch this movie, the better it gets. If you can look past the mask, and try to have fun with the movie you will like it.
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