Freddy Vs. Jason winner

[ToRontoRon]

This is simple. Who do you think won? Freddy, or Jason.

[syxxpac]

Jason

[RogueSpear]

I'd have to say, Jason, as well.

[Shockwave]

Jason.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Was there a doubt? Jason.

[horrorfreak13]

Jason

[countchocula]

J A S O N

[ToRontoRon]

I say Freddy.

Sure, Jason walks out of Crystal Lake at the end carrying Freddy's head, but he wasn't the one who decapitated him. Plus, Freddy's little wink at the end tells us he isn't dead anyways.

Since neither of them really completely died, I scored it like a heavyweight fight, and Freddy was WAY ahead on points.

I know neither of these guys ever completely die anyways, but even if you do consider Freddy as killed, it wasn't Jason who really killed him, he just picked up the head.

Obviously Freddy destroyed Jason in the dream world, but I think Freddy even beat Jason by a bit at Crystal Lake too.

To me, Krueger takes it.

[fevers]

Jason

[teenkiller]

THE WORST MAN WON! I choose KRUEGER. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Ripper1888]

Freddy

[martyds761]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
I say Freddy.

Sure, Jason walks out of Crystal Lake at the end carrying Freddy's head, but he wasn't the one who decapitated him. Plus, Freddy's little wink at the end tells us he isn't dead anyways.

Since neither of them really completely died, I scored it like a heavyweight fight, and Freddy was WAY ahead on points.

I know neither of these guys ever completely die anyways, but even if you do consider Freddy as killed, it wasn't Jason who really killed him, he just picked up the head.

Obviously Freddy destroyed Jason in the dream world, but I think Freddy even beat Jason by a bit at Crystal Lake too.

To me, Krueger takes it. Ditto.......

[Boba Joe]

I voted for Jason even though the movie did a good job about making things "even" at the end even though Voorhees had an insane amount of kills compared to Freddy's 1 (That's the reason I voted for Jason).

[pyscho dude]

Freddy. His wink at the camera indicates that Jason is probably dreaming and it's payback time bitch.

[Cronos]

Jason won, he could kick Freddys ass any day :D

[saintofscars]

Jason won after outside interference. The teens did a run-in so Freddy didn't have to do the job, to use wrestling terminology.

But Freddy will be back...;)

[X-Nightcrawler]

IMO, that wink Freddy gave was only for 'being open for sequel' reasons.

[Shockwave]

In the end only one walked away, and that was Jason!

[ICP RULZ]

My man Jason went all the way with it.......I taught him well:D

Peace,
Matt

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Quite obviously Jason.

[X-Nightcrawler]

I want to say something else.

In the end, Jason walked out holding Freddy's head for christssakes, what's the doubt in that?

[TheJadedGamer]

Jason won, but here is what I think.


Though Freddy died in the real world, maybe only killing him actually just sent him back to the Dream World. At the end, it looked like Jason was going to go take a long nap in Crystal Lake, so maybe the end when Jason was walking out of the water was just a nightmare Freddy produced.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by Boba Joe
I voted for Jason even though the movie did a good job about making things "even" at the end even though Voorhees had an insane amount of kills compared to Freddy's 1 (That's the reason I voted for Jason).

You're right in that Jason was way ahead in the kills department, but then he's always put up the better numbers. I was only looking at when the two went head to head with each other, and not including what they did to others. Scoring that you have to, as always, give it to Mr. Voorhees.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
I want to say something else.

In the end, Jason walked out holding Freddy's head for christssakes, what's the doubt in that?

But who chopped off that head?

Not Jason.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
But who chopped off that head?

Not Jason. Nothing to do, a battle is won by 'last man standing' not about who spilled more blood (which would still make Jason the victor).

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Nothing to do, a battle is won by 'last man standing' not about who spilled more blood (which would still make Jason the victor).

thats how i voted too.

Freddy's better though, IMO.

[SenorSpielbergo]

http://www.houseofhorrors.com/jason9.jpg

[silverslash]

i say freddy won because in the script they both get pulled into the lake and taken to hell then freddy reaches up and grabs the glove killing loris dad doing so who just arived at the crime scean then they start fighting again so freddy won.

[Luke-Abbott]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Nothing to do, a battle is won by 'last man standing' not about who spilled more blood (which would still make Jason the victor).

Well then, if we're on about the "last man standing" then Freddy won. Didn't Jason fall back into the lake when he stabbed Freddy by his own claw, and wasn't Freddy still standing for a short while before falling to his knees?

;)

[MisterTwister]

Jason won. Freddy lost. But the war isn't over yet. But still Jason won.

[Jason Voorhees]

Jason walked away with a nice little trophy. Jason's the winner.

Just the way I see it.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Nothing to do, a battle is won by 'last man standing' not about who spilled more blood (which would still make Jason the victor).

Without the wink, I might agree, but the wink says that Freddy is still going and not done yet. I see your point, though.

TheJadedGamer brought up a good point too in that maybe the last scene was one of Jason's dreams. After all, I think that Freddy can be killed in the real world, (he was before), but not in the dream world, and imo, Jason can be killed in the dream world, (Freddy almost had him when Jason had shriveled into his younger self), but not in the real world. The decapitation killed the real world Freddy, and therefore, Freddy could only exist in the dream world after that, meaning that the last shot probably had to be a dream, and Freddy was just toying with Jason before turning things around on him. Maybe the ending was supposed to be vague like that so that Freddy fans can say he won, and Jason fans can say he won. For the record, I'm not sure who I like more. It used to be Freddy, but now they're pretty even.

[Boba Joe]

I think the final scene is nothing more than the viewer's interpretation.

Was it a dream? Was it real? I think Ronny Yu did a great job of leaving that up to the viewer to decide.

[IamNoOne666]

I agree with just about all the post on here, but still Jason walked away in the end. But for the people in here that say Jason died and it was a dream at the end, they cover that in the movie when they say how Jason can never die.

[sarah1980]

JASON

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by IamNoOne666
I agree with just about all the post on here, but still Jason walked away in the end. But for the people in here that say Jason died and it was a dream at the end, they cover that in the movie when they say how Jason can never die.

I'm not saying he's dead, just unconscious and therefore sleeping.

[Sad man]

Real World: Jason
Dream World: Both

I voted Jason though.

[waffleking]

I vote Freddy. They both got killed in the real world and at the end they were in the dream/hell where they were at the beginning of the movie. Freddy rules there so he can spend the rest of eternity torturing Jason.

Of course, that's just my perspective.

[Duke Nukem]

Jason won.

Here's why: when Jason stabbed Freddy's clawed hand through Freddy's chest, he sealed the deal. Freddy had his own supernatural strength in his dreamworld, but in reality he had the same chances as the "teens." Once Jason stabbed Freddy with his own clawed hand, Freddy WAS dead.

He wasn't dead yet, but he was dying. He couldn't even keep standing after that. He lost his grip on the machete and fell on his knees. He wasn't dead yet, but he WAS dying, a move pulled by Jason. It didn't matter that Monica Keena decapitated him; he was still in the DYING process, started by Jason. Monica Keena only killed off faster. She "finished" him (a la Mortal Kombat!)

As for Jason, he sunk back in the lake and either went into hybernation before his next "Friday The 13th" movie or died off. I think its the first one. Either way, he would have won because he still would have lasted longer than Freddy.

As for the final frame, that had to be a dream. Freddy had sliced off Jason's fingers, so he couldn't have been able to carry Freddy's decapitated head out of the lake with him. Too bad it was only a dream though. It was a GREAT scene.

And, as for Freddy winking, it only supports that Jason did win. Freddy fought his all against Jason in reality and lost. He was defeated by Jason. But, now that he was back in his dreamworld and that Jason was dreaming at the bottom of Crystal Lake (thus, he was only hybernating), he was ready for round 2! Hope that doesn't happen though.

[Scully1888]

Originally posted by saintofscars
Jason won after outside interference. The teens did a run-in so Freddy didn't have to do the job, to use wrestling terminology.

But surely if we're going by wrestling terminology then Freddy wins by disqualification? The teens did the run-in and chopped Freddy's head off, therefore Jason is disqualified, because fat Earl Hebner will assume the teens did the run-in for Jason.

Cue Freddy's music, big pop from the crowd, Jason goes up the ramp muttering to himself and shaking his head, walks up to underneath the Titantron, turns round and points at Freddy, Jim Ross says "this is far from over folks!", and the words "Copyright WWE entertainment come up at the bottom". End show.

[moviemorgan2]

Freddy won in the dream world, Jason won in the real world. No wait, forget that. That anoying female dog Lori messed up the frickin' battle when one of them could have won.

[Duke Nukem]

Lori didn't interfere in Freddy and Jason's fight. Freddy was already dying when she decapitated him, so Jason gets the points for defeating Freddy. It didn't matter that Lori joined in.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by Scully1888
But surely if we're going by wrestling terminology then Freddy wins by disqualification? The teens did the run-in and chopped Freddy's head off, therefore Jason is disqualified, because fat Earl Hebner will assume the teens did the run-in for Jason.

Cue Freddy's music, big pop from the crowd, Jason goes up the ramp muttering to himself and shaking his head, walks up to underneath the Titantron, turns round and points at Freddy, Jim Ross says "this is far from over folks!", and the words "Copyright WWE entertainment come up at the bottom". End show.

lol, that's true, maybe Freddy did win by a DQ. :D

[ANTBond007]

Neither. Freddy kicked Jason's ass and Jason kicked Freddy's ass. Neither dealth the other a deathblow, so hence, neither one.

But if you want to get specific, Freddy got up from that propane explosion with ease, whereas Jason passed out till at least morning (and may damn well have been dreaming).

So, a tie, but if I'm forced to pick, until Lori's interference, Freddy was dominant in the fight.

[Duke Nukem]

Jason won.

It doesn't matter that Lori decapitated Freddy with the machete. Freddy was already DYING, because Jason slashed Freddy's own clawed hand through his very chest. Freddy's a supernatural villian, but in reality, such an injury is fatal to him.

Jason fell back into the water, but wasn't dead. He was tired out from all the action and passed out for the night and dreamt. The final frames of the movie (Jason walking out of Crystal Lake with Freddy's head) was that dream. Jason killed off Freddy in reality and that his victory.

He lasted longer than Freddy. And, Freddy started dying at the moment Jason slashed with his own clawed arm. He pulled the fatal actions that make him the winner. It doesn't matter Lori decapitated him. She just made him die faster. It was Jason's actions that KILLED Freddy.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Jason won.

It doesn't matter that Lori decapitated Freddy with the machete. Freddy was already DYING, because Jason slashed Freddy's own clawed hand through his very chest. Freddy's a supernatural villian, but in reality, such an injury is fatal to him.

Jason fell back into the water, but wasn't dead. He was tired out from all the action and passed out for the night and dreamt. The final frames of the movie (Jason walking out of Crystal Lake with Freddy's head) was that dream. Jason killed off Freddy in reality and that his victory.

He lasted longer than Freddy. And, Freddy started dying at the moment Jason slashed with his own clawed arm. He pulled the fatal actions that make him the winner. It doesn't matter Lori decapitated him. She just made him die faster. It was Jason's actions that KILLED Freddy.

Um, not quite. It Freddy can have his own arm ripped from its socket, and yet still live without much hassle, it's not a stretch to assume he could survive a claw through the chest.

As for "he was dying," how do you know? His face seemed more stunned with an 'Oh shit, I just had my fucking claw rammed through me' than 'Oh, gee... dying.'

Fact is, Freddy didn't think he was going to die until he saw Lori take up that machete.

[Duke Nukem]

Maybe it didn't show, but Freddy had to be dying. Freddy only has powers in his dreamworld, not in reality. In reality, he would be a sitting duck like the teens. Jason may ripped Freddy's clawed arm from his socket, but he didn't lose enough blood. That wasn't that fatal an injury. Being stabbed through the chest/heart is. Had Lori left him alone, Freddy would have died gradually on his own. And Jason would still have last longer. Therefore, Jason wins.

[ANTBond007]

Freddy has no powers in the real world? He sure came off as a kung fu master, Michael Myers-stamina like guy to me. Freddy's Dead showed he could walk on walls and take a shitload of damage (once again, including being stabbed by his own claw).

Oh well. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[silverslash]

lets just all say freddy won and forget it just because some of you like freddy and some of you like jason better freddy won look jason can never die but neither can freddy whenever they kill freddy he just has to build up energy and hes back on his feet and when they kill jason he just goes to sleep and freddys then in his eliment ready to kick mama boys arse.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by silverslash
i say freddy won because in the script they both get pulled into the lake and taken to hell then freddy reaches up and grabs the glove killing loris dad doing so who just arived at the crime scean then they start fighting again so freddy won.

You say Freddy won because of something that didn't ever happen, but you read happened in one of the earlier drafts?




I vote for the last "man" standing, and that was Jason.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I vote for the last "man" standing, and that was Jason.

So you're saying if those military types from JGTH showed up and blew him to pieces, and he never traded blows with Freddy, that Krueger would be the victor? :p

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
So you're saying if those military types from JGTH showed up and blew him to pieces, and he never traded blows with Freddy, that Krueger would be the victor? :p

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

"Every man for himself."

The film ended with Jason walking out of the lake, missing a few fingers, but Freddy missing his whole fucking body, with no remaining abilities save for "the wink".

Round one - Jason Voorhees

We'll see what round two brings!

[adamjohnson]

Neither died. So it was about the victor of THE FIGHT itself, yes? In THE FIGHT of Freddy vs Jason Freddy won. In the war, Jason probably takes the cake, still having his head n all.

But look at it this way. Without Lori being there AT ALL Freddy is walking around on the dock while Jason is going for a nice dip. Freddy would have just fuckin run! Jason wouldnt have ahd the oppurtunity to stab him with his glove, cuz he wouldnt have fecking been there, he still got both his legs. And enter the dream world as soon as possible.

Theres something in the script i liked a bit better. It made it EVEN MORE even, before the whole explosion thing though. (This is all beside the point of who won) When Freddy is, ah hell,

SPOILERS

is stabbing Jase with his machete in the script he digs his hand in the wound he made and rips out his heart. Just as Jason rips off his arm. I thought that would have been um radder.

[silverslash]

yes i read that but i like the one where jason gets taken in by the cops and in the end theres a jason freddy merge thing. and freddy won in the script it says he kills loris dad and then he and jason are in hell fighting it out when pinhead comes and says whats going on here they couldnt get the copyright for pin head so they didnt do that.

[TheDeadWalk]

Well see, the thing for me though is, that Lori WAS there, and that was an unchangeable fact. Just like the propane tanks WERE there for Freddy to use, and all of the "abstract machinery" that was used against Jason.

All of these things are variables into the fight, just like a pro wrestling match where Mr. Fuji would run in and throw powder in someone's eyes so his guy could get the win.

I don't really look at this or that persay and subtract it from the fight, I don't feel you can do that. The interference to me, DOES count towards the fight.

And at the end of the fight, when all was said and done, Jason was the last "man" standing, though Freddy certainly was "ahead". Get it?? a head! mwahahahaha

[adamjohnson]

But the fight was Freddy Vs Jason. Not Freddy vs jason, oh and Lori too.

Im saying if they were alone Freddy had him licked.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
But the fight was Freddy Vs Jason. Not Freddy vs jason, oh and Lori too.

Im saying if they were alone Freddy had him licked.

But they weren't alone, you see. Every single outside environment, from a tree, to a machete, to an outside person counts as a part of the fight.

There are no rules to a fight, anything goes.

Adam, if you started duking it out with some dude, and his buddy jumped in as well and they both whipped the shit out of you. If you would ask me, of Adam and the Dude, who won that fight?

The dude did. It didn't matter about the other shit, what mattered was the end result.

Cheating and outside obstacles and shit are all a part of the grand "fight".

[silverslash]

if they are saying freddy lost and jason won they are very very wrong. jason died when he fell in the water and freddy was still there if lori wasnt there the movie would never have been filmed but why do they all pick on freddy and why is jason the good guy dont they remember it was he who killed their best friends? i think that with out lori freddy would have still been standing 1 arm or not and jason how does he know where to stab the arm hes blind remember freddy poked him in the eyes "ooops sorry mate just poked you in the eye with my knife" thing if you think jason won and you all have an appropriet reason please tell me and dont mention lori if you can say jason won and say how without mentioning outside help i will aggree so just try.

[TheDeadWalk]

Because Jason was the last man standing. I'm not saying he killed Freddy (he was obviously alive at the end), but I'm saying he won the round because he was still standing.

It seems that Lori can't be used to justify Jason's victory, but it can in some clause to say that Freddy won.

One being walked out of that lake, and that was Jason. Jason also, was not permenently blind, hence he came out of the waters cool as a cucumber the next morning. He did know where he was stabbing, I don't think that was such of a million to one shot there with him just jumping up like a dolphin hoping to hit something.

But if you want to talk hypotheticals, then the battle would have raged on if Freddy left the dock. A nice "chu chu chu ha ha ha" as he scrambled through the woods, and they would have duked it out some more.

I actually thought Jason sucked in this film, I'm not trying to be his fanboy by any means. I'm just saying he didn't come out of the lake with no fuckin body attached to his head, he walked his ass out with two legs, which was more than Freddy could do, thus he wins the round.

When the next installment features Freddy carrying Jason's head, I'll reverse my decision. I don't care much about what happened with the stupid kids, I just cared about the *END* result. One man walked, one got his friggin head carried like a biatch.

[silverslash]

but alas you forgot the simple wink causeing all we are all argueing about to be terribly wrong. that wink means freddys still alive and just playing dead it means that when jason fainted and fell in the lake he must have been dreaming for in all the freddy movies they seem to bring freddy out of the dream kill him then he's just sucked back into the dream world then builds up enough energy then he's back and killing freely. he made jason think he was dead by as you know staying like a head in the dream. jason is a mammas boy freddy killed his mother (even though they say she commited suicide we all know the truth) which seems weaker to you? so my guess is that freddy was sucked back into dream world and entered jasons dream.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by silverslash
but alas you forgot the simple wink causeing all we are all argueing about to be terribly wrong. that wink means freddys still alive and just playing dead it means that when jason fainted and fell in the lake he must have been dreaming for in all the freddy movies they seem to bring freddy out of the dream kill him then he's just sucked back into the dream world then builds up enough energy then he's back and killing freely. he made jason think he was dead by as you know staying like a head in the dream. jason is a mammas boy freddy killed his mother (even though they say she commited suicide we all know the truth) which seems weaker to you? so my guess is that freddy was sucked back into dream world and entered jasons dream.

Very good point. The ending montage could have very well been a dream.

[silverslash]

guys guys i just looked at the movie again and found out exacly what happened

ok boom place blows up will and lori jump into lake and are hugging back on the remainder of the dock. freddy comes up and has the machete he go's to kill them and jason thrusts freddys arm into freddys back. ok this is it. jason falls into the water supposedly dead but he is unconsious. freddy is on the dock still alive but in shock. lori grabs weapon and cuts off freddys head. now they run away and have a happy life but freddys gone back into dream land jasons unconsios and on the verge of dieing freddy go's into his dream and fools jason into thinking he won then to show the veiwers that he's alive and that what i type is true he winks then maniac laughter is heard and credits another way of knowing is that in the credits roberts name comes in the main characters while kens isnt so meaning freddy won cause jason had his name second in second credits

if you dont understand i dont blame you.

[TheDeadWalk]

I don't think the credits order really matter much. Hell they could have just done that because F and K comes before J and V in the alphabet. Plus, Freddy had tons of actual dialogue. Also note that the film is Freddy Vs. Jason, with Freddy coming first there too, so it could be equally justifiable that his name be first in the credits.

While your theory is very plausible, I don't think it indicates a Freddy "victory". You state that Jason was on the verge of dying, BUT in the beginning of the film they state that Jason's main thing is that he cannot die.

If you have this on DVD, have you listened to the director's commentary at the end?

I was wondering if they said anything about this, or had any insight on it.

If it was infact a return to the dream world, then the film ended as a draw, no direct winner. I don't think we can take a wink and then ensue that another battle happened where Freddy won right after that. That's more of kind of making up your own story so that it favors your point. I think they did that to lead towards a sequel, having an "open ending" if you could assume, and that we'll get tons of more action sometime down the road.

But time will tell.

[ANTBond007]

Well, Freddy was the draw. Just look at past box office -- Krueger has rather consistently tripled Friday the 13th grosses.

Dead Walk, on the commentary, Ronny Yu pretty much says the final scene was designed as a way to leave it open-ended to the point where we can argue a winner, and yet not feel cheated by the outcome. He even says, "Interpret any way you wish!"

As for the title -- it just sounds better as Freddy vs. Jason than Jason vs. Freddy.