Outsyder's Big-Ass NHL Team Tournament!!

[outsyder]

For this tournament, we will have all 30 currently existing NHL teams, as well as some now defunct teams. These will be separate, for example Carolina and Hartford will be 2 different entries.

CURRENT TEAMS:



Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Atlanta Thrashers
Boston Bruins -1
Buffalo Sabres
Calgary Flames
Carolina Hurricanes - OUT
Chicago Blackhawks - OUT
Colorado Avalanche
Columbus Blue Jackets
Dallas Stars
Detroit Red Wings
Edmonton Oilers - 1
Florida Panthers -1
Los Angeles Kings
Montréal Canadiens
Minnesota Wild
New Jersey Devils
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Nashville Predators -1
Ottawa Senators
Philadelphia Flyers
Phoenix Coyotes -OUT
Pittsburgh Penguins
San Jose Sharks - 1
St.Louis Blues - OUT
Tampa Bay Lightning
Toronto Maple Leafs
Vancouver Canucks - OUT
Washington Capitals - 1


DEFUNCT TEAMS:

Atlanta Flames (1972-1980; became Calgary Flames) -1
Various California Seals - OUT
Cleveland Barons (1976-1978)Merged with Minnesota North Stars
Colorado Rockies (1976-1982; became New Jersey Devils)
Detroit Cougars (1926-1930; became Detroit Falcons)
Detroit Falcons (1930-1932; became Detroit Red Wings)
Hamilton Tigers (1920-1925; became New York Americans)
Hartford Whalers (1979-1997; became Carolina Hurricanes) - OUT
Kansas City Scouts (1974-1976; became Colorado Rockies)
Minnesota North Stars (1967-1993; became Dallas Stars) - OUT
Montreal Maroons (1924-1938) - OUT
Montreal Wanderers (1917-1918)
New York Americans (1925-1941; became Brooklyn Americans)
Ottawa Senators (1917-1934; a new team of the same name was formed in 1992)
Philadelphia Quakers (1930-1931) - OUT
Pittsburgh Pirates (1925-1930; became Philadelphia Quakers)
Quebec Bulldogs (1919-1920; became Hamilton Tigers)
Quebec Nordiques (1979-1995; became Colorado Avalanche)
Saint Louis Eagles (1934-1935) -1
Toronto Arenas (1917-1919; became Toronto St. Patricks)
Toronto St. Patricks (1919-1926; became Toronto Maple Leafs) - 1
Winnipeg Jets (1979-1996; became Phoenix Coyotes) - 1



If I'm missing any, please tell me. I'll start the first round soon . . . . :D

[RicochetShaw]

Wasn't there a team called The Millionaires?

[outsyder]

Vancouver. I was just wondering about that one.:D

[ToRontoRon]

The Vancouver Millionaires, (later Vancouver Maroons), weren't an NHL team. They played in the PCHA, and I think some other league which also competed for the Stanley Cup before the NHL took sole ownership of the trophy for the 1926/27 season.

I'd say don't count them in here because they weren't an NHL team. If you do, then there are a tonne of other teams you could also include. :

Seattle Metropolitans
Calgary Tigers
Edmonton Eskimos
Winnipeg Victorias
Montreal Victorias
Montreal Shamrocks
Montreal Amateur Athletic Association
Kenora Thistles
Toronto Blueshirts
Ottawa Silver Seven
etc., etc., etc.

Other than that, you do have all of the former NHL teams in there.

There are a few sticky questions such as, should the Oakland Seals, California Seals, and California Golden Seals all count as one because they were the same franchise and didn't move, (though a different name)? And if they are combined as one then the New York Americans and Brooklyn Americans should also be combined as one because they did not actually move anywhere either, just changed their name for one year to try to grow a New York vs. Brooklyn rivalry like they had in baseball. But if they are technically seperate then should the Chicago Black Hawks, (1926/27 - 1985/86), technically be seperate from the Chicago Blackhawks, (1986/87 - present)? I know this is the very definition of nit-picking, but we should clear this up before the tourney starts.

And great idea outsyder. :D

[outsyder]

Seems fair enough.:p

And remember: THE VOTE IS FOR THE TEAM AS IT IS. DO NOT VOTE FOR A TEAM BASED ON THEIR PREVIOUS NAMES/LOCATIONS.

MATCH 1

FLORIDA PANTHERS
http://www.seefloridaonline.com/common/images/mspanthers.gif

vs.

PHOENIX COYOTES



http://www.eteamz.com/adelaidetigers/images/coyotes_logo2.gif

[RicochetShaw]

FL Panthers

[docholiday_13]

Da Coyotes.

[ToRontoRon]

Well, I couldn't stand the Coyotes' 'pyjama' uniforms, plus they've never won a playoff round.

Florida has some young Canadian stars in Luongo, Bouwmeester, and Horton, and at least they made it to the Finals that one year in 1996...

My vote:

FLORIDA PANTHERS

[arto_j]

Florida

[horrorfreak13]

Florida by the fact they have an actual shot of making the playoffs before the Phoenix does.

[bob]

Florida, because they deserve a sympathy vote for how badly we schooled them in the '96 Cup finals.

[outsyder]

I vote Florida, making it 6-1.


No love for the desert dogs.:(



:rolleyes:

[daddiefatsacks]

answer: WHO CARES?

but seriously, Florida has Luongo Bouwmeester and Horton!! and most importantly HORDICHUCK!! I LOVE THAT KID

[outsyder]

7-1. Luongo (and NO ONE ELSE) moves on.:D

MATCH 2

THE CALIFORNIA SEALS (and all of the relocated franchises with that name)
http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/sports/images/hockeypuck/california-converse1.JPG


vs.

THE ATLANTA FLAMES
http://www.northpiertower.com/~chuck/sportssource/HKYP4.jpg

[daddiefatsacks]

i could care less since i dont even recall these teams ever.

but Atalanta became calgary sooo

ATLANTA

[Moviefan1234]

Atlanta

[horrorfreak13]

Flames

[Haddonfield]

Hotlanta and only because that city gave birth to The Black Crowes!

[ToRontoRon]

I'm picking the California Seals/Oakland Seals/California Golden Seals.

Why?

Two words...

White skates.

:D

[Nate6]

Seals

An all-around amusing team.

[bob]

Fa-lames.

[blankpage]

Flammers

[outsyder]

6-2 for the Georgia Heat.

[TheAxeGrinder]

The nail in the coffin, Flames.

Why not the Seals? Because ownership was stupid enough to trade away their number one draft pick to Montreal. The number one overall was Guy Lafleur. The rest is history.

[tbone]

Atlanta Flames

[outsyder]

8-2 for Atlanta.


I'm just about ready to kill this match. . . .

[daddiefatsacks]

Originally posted by outsyder
8-2 for Atlanta.


I'm just about ready to kill this match. . . .

what are u waiting for? the sens to win a series in the playoffs against the leafs?

[TheAxeGrinder]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
what are u waiting for? the sens to win a series in the playoffs against the leafs?

Save it for the NHL Thread, fatsacks. Better yet, save it for the playoffs.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
what are u waiting for? the sens to win a series in the playoffs against the leafs?

lol, in that case, this thread will resume in 2073. :D

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
lol, in that case, this thread will resume in 2073. :D

That is so funny but true. :D

[RicochetShaw]

Seals!

[outsyder]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
lol, in that case, this thread will resume in 2073. :D


Funny, only took about 24 hours.:rolleyes:

Seals suck, so they lose 9-2.:D


MATCH 3

Western Conference Playoff Race Special

NASHVILLE PREDATORS
http://www.nhlfanstore.com/predatorsflag.gif

vs.


ST. LOUIS BLUES
http://www.millerhouseofsports.com/StLouisBlues/images/2324588717.jpg

[TheAxeGrinder]

Blues, if only for Gilmour, Hull and Plante.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by outsyder
Funny, only took about 24 hours.:rolleyes:



Funny, I didn't hear about Ottawa defeating Toronto in the last 24 hours in the playoffs. :rolleyes: ;)

As for the match-up, I have to go with the St. Louis Blues.

St. Louis' Stanley Cup drought is exactly as long as the Maple Leafs', the only difference being that the Leafs have won it before. They also seem to always be injured, just like the Leafs, yet fight through the injuries. And from what I've seen, I just like the city and the fans. It's a good hockey market and the fans don't dump their beers on visiting teams' fans all the time like Philadelphia or Pittsburgh.

They're my favourite current U.S. team, and # 6 overall, behind Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, and yes, Ottawa. (I know, I know, I'm supposed to hate them, but if the Leafs are out, I always root for them. They are after all a Canadian team. The only Canadian team that I really dislike and absolutely never root for is Montreal.)

I do like Nashville's name and logo, however it isn't enough to topple the Blues.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by outsyder

Seals suck, so they lose 9-2.:D




Actually 8-3. But who cares, they still lose, and you're right, they still suck. :D

[daddiefatsacks]

St Louis Blues

[outsyder]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
Funny, I didn't hear about Ottawa defeating Toronto in the last 24 hours in the playoffs. :rolleyes: ;)


No . . . . . but I'm sure you'll hear about it in a few weeks.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
They're my favourite current U.S. team, and # 6 overall, behind Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, and yes, Ottawa. (I know, I know, I'm supposed to hate them, but if the Leafs are out, I always root for them. They are after all a Canadian team. The only Canadian team that I really dislike and absolutely never root for is Montreal.)



You have no idea how long I've been waiting to hear you say that.:)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by outsyder
You have no idea how long I've been waiting to hear you say that.:)


Its a front....Secrectly the Flames are ready to bring Craig Mac back for the playoffs :)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
It's a good hockey market and the fans don't dump their beers on visiting teams' fans all the time like Philadelphia or Pittsburgh.


Welcome to Philly.


You have to admire the way they go about things, Its like that hockey attitude from 1975 that they just cant shake it. And more power to them. Clarke is still a god in there eyes because of the back to back cups, needless to say they could have won a few more since but.............

[Moviefan1234]

Nashville

[horrorfreak13]

Nashville

[arto_j]

Nashville

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Its a front....Secrectly the Flames are ready to bring Craig Mac back for the playoffs :)

Harvey the Hound has gone into hiding.:D



NASHVILLE!

[bob]

Four in a row for Nashville, huh?

Make it five: NASHVILLE.

[ToRontoRon]

Five in a row! No love for the Blues here I see.

[blankpage]

The Blues are done.

GO NASHVILLE.

[outsyder]

It's 6-3 for Nashville.


I'll end this tomorrow afternoon.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by outsyder
I'll end this tomorrow afternoon.

Sssssuuuuuuurrrrreeeee.

[outsyder]

Yeah, but don't you know me well enough by now?:D

The Preds beat the blues like they just won the President's Trophy.


OLD SCHOOL RIVALRY

THE MONTREAL MAROONS
http://www.sportchalet.com/graphics/product_images/p109421reg.jpg


vs.

TORONTO ST. PATS
http://members.shaw.ca/ca.jp.sports/localshop/newvintagejerseys/nvstpats.jpg

[horrorfreak13]

Toronto St. Pats

[Moviefan1234]

Toronto St. Pats

[TheAxeGrinder]

St. Pats, since I love the jersey, but hate the Leafs.

[blankpage]

St. Pats

[outsyder]

One more for the Pats.

[bob]

I'll go for the Maroons, closer to my hometown.

[Nate6]

MAROONS

Montreal rulz.

[daddiefatsacks]

ST PATS

[outsyder]

6-2 for the hockey team of the Irish.

[ToRontoRon]

They used to be the Leafs, and they won a Cup for us too. It's got to be the Toronto St. Patricks.

[Haddonfield]

hmmm, a team from Montreal or a team from Toronto?

Im taking a pass on this round...my choice is neither!

:D

Tho I could be swayed to one team is someone will help me out when the Bruins enter the turny.

[outsyder]

7-2 victory for the green meanies.


Speak of the devil . . . .

BOSTON BRUINS
http://www.teamflagstore.com/bruins.gif

vs.

VANCOUVER CANUCKS
http://www.moosehockey.com/teams/canucks.gif

[Haddonfield]

ahem.


BOSTON BRUINS!!!!!!!



Ill give two bucks to everyone who votes for Boston.

:):D :cool:

[Moviefan1234]

Boston

[outsyder]

Vancouver Canucks

[Haddonfield]

and damn you outsyder for putting them up against a Candian team! Thats not fair in these parts.

Come on people, remember what that guy did to Steve Moore?? He almost killed him....you cant vote for his team...he is evil!

[outsyder]

Remember, this is all time team history.


Ahh Pavel Bure. That Game 7 OT goal was sweet.:D

[Haddonfield]

Bure is evil too!

Everyone who has ever played for the Canucks are evil, you dont want that in your conscience.

Boston has Bobby Orr and Ray Bourque and Cam Neely and Joe Thornton and Milt Schmit and Cheevers, and Espo and the names go on and on....dont let hockey history die....!!!!

:p

[ToRontoRon]

Vancouver Canucks

Sorry Haddonfield. I like the Bruins more than most teams, but like you said, it's a tough draw going up against a Canadian team. I would have taken Boston against most American teams if it's any consolation.

Based on this season, I'd maybe go with Boston just because of the Bertuzzi incident, but this is all time, and I have to go with the Canucks. After all, Vancouver had, imo, the best uniforms ever in the late '80's with the yellow home jerseys and the skate logo together. I LOVED those uniforms.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Boston has Bobby Orr and Ray Bourque and Cam Neely and Joe Thornton and Milt Schmit and Cheevers, and Espo and the names go on and on....dont let hockey history die....!!!!

:p

You do make a strong case, Haddonfield.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
Vancouver Canucks

Sorry Haddonfield. I like the Bruins more than most teams, but like you said, it's a tough draw going up against a Canadian team. I would have taken Boston against most American teams if it's any consolation.

Based on this season, I'd maybe go with Boston just because of the Bertuzzi incident, but this is all time, and I have to go with the Canucks. After all, Vancouver had, imo, the best uniforms ever in the late '80's with the yellow home jerseys and the skate logo together. I LOVED those uniforms.


You want to go with those uniforms over a guy who invented how to play defense? Them Big Bad Bruins who invented how to be tough yet skilled?

"Behind the net to Sanderson to Orr, HE SCORES!!"

come on!

:)

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
You want to go with those uniforms over a guy who invented how to play defense? Them Big Bad Bruins who invented how to be tough yet skilled?

"Behind the net to Sanderson to Orr, HE SCORES!!"

come on!

:)

Greatest defenceman ever, and maybe even the greatest player ever. +128 or whatever that one year is just insane. If his career wouldn't have been cut short, I think he would have been remembered as the greatest hockey player ever, instead of #2.

Robert Gordon Orr is the man...






But I'm not changing my vote.

;) :p

[arto_j]

Vancouver

[TheAxeGrinder]

The Canucks, regardless of these atrocities:

http://www.canucksalmanac.hispeed.com/teamhistory/1980_gallery_image6.jpg

http://www.canucksalmanac.hispeed.com/teamhistory/1980_gallery_image3.jpg

Of course, I'm referring to the punch-in-the-eye jersey.

[blankpage]

Honestly, I don't care that the Canucks are Canadian, I hate them.

The B's are great. After the Buds and the Habs, they're my team of choice.

[outsyder]

See Haddonfield?


The Canadian votes for the B's, and the Finn votes for the Canucks.:D

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
Greatest defenceman ever, and maybe even the greatest player ever. +128 or whatever that one year is just insane. If his career wouldn't have been cut short, I think he would have been remembered as the greatest hockey player ever, instead of #2.

Robert Gordon Orr is the man...


OK, ive already figured my B's arent going to win this round but I did give it a good try....but one last hurah on Bobby Orr's career...

Calder Trophy (1967)
Norris Trophy (1968-1975) That would be 8 in a row!
Art Ross (1970 & 1975) Only Dman ever to win it
Hart Trophy (1970-1972) Three in a row
Conn Smythe (1970-1972) Two in a row
Lou Marsh Trophy (1971)
Stanley Cup (1970 &1972)
Canada Cup (1976) and was MVP
Lester B. Pearson (1978)
The 128 Plus/Minus record (1979)

Games: 657
Goals: 270
Assists: 645
Points: 915
Pims: 953
Plus/Minus: 597

Thats a pretty sick plus/minus in that many games. Bourque was a plus 508 in more than twice that many games, same with Gretz (541)

[outsyder]

4-3 for the Canucks.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by outsyder
4-3 for the Canucks.


Where was Sev when I needed him?

:( :eek: :o


;)

[Indiana Sev]

http://www.katrin-und-frank.de/images/bostonbruins1994.jpg

[horrorfreak13]

Looks like I get to break the tie well I say Boston because of Vancouver's horrifying uniforms.

[bob]

I'm an Avs fan...you know I'm going for the Bruins.

[ToRontoRon]

I can't believe it, it looks like Haddonfield's team is going to live on!
:eek:

This is almost as dramatic as Orr's goal in 1970.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
http://www.katrin-und-frank.de/images/bostonbruins1994.jpg



You are the fuckin man!

Beers are on me Sev.

[outsyder]

6-4 for the B's, which I'm sure will be the ONLY thing they will win this spring.



:D

WINNIPEG JETS
http://www.pucks.net/images/Pucks/wj.jpg

vs.


MINNESOTA NORTH STARS
http://www.icejerseys.com/images/vintage_collection/minnesota_north_stars/1967_expansion_jersey.jpg

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by outsyder
6-4 for the B's, which I'm sure will be the ONLY thing they will win this spring.

Ill take a playoff series vs the Habs as of now.

Boston is going places, its our time.

This is a sick poll....Jets vs Stars? Man I like them both. Damn, I cant pick one.

Ill go with the Jets

(Canadian fans please remember that I voted for a canadian team)

and by the way, I have no clue how Boston won, but please disreagard this post because I am hammered!!!



:D :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:

[ToRontoRon]

The Winnipeg Jets for sure. They had some really good teams in the '80's, but never went anywhere because they happened to be in the same division as Edmonton and Calgary. My second favourite team behind you know who before their untimely demise. Everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I'm pretty sure that one day the Jets will be back in Winnipeg. I always thought that even before they were gone.

The Minnesota North Stars, on the other hand, were always a team that had my Leafs' number, even when they were the only team worse than the Leafs in the League. But I still respect them as a good rival. This may sound weird, but I'd LOVE to see just one more Toronto Maple Leaf/Minnesota North Star game. They've got great uniforms too, which makes it a bit closer. But I always loved the Jets.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by Haddonfield

(Canadian fans please remember that I voted for a canadian team)



There's a very good chance that I'll pick your American team in the next round, depending on who they play. If Boston faces Montreal, it's a no-brainer. I'm just going to give my honest opinion of which team I like more in each matchup, and it's therefore likely the 'B's will get my vote.

[arto_j]

I'll go with the Jets.

[outsyder]

The Jets!

[bob]

The Jets.

Because you know what I say about the Stars: Fuck the Stars.

[TheAxeGrinder]

The Jets, because not everyone can say they had The Golden Jet.

[horrorfreak13]

Jets

[daddiefatsacks]

Teemu and THE JETS

[Moviefan1234]

I don't want to stand out or anything, but: Minnesota North Stars.

[outsyder]

8-1 for the other Windy City.:D

[blankpage]

The Jets!

[outsyder]

And Winnipeg moves on!


CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
http://www.katrin-und-frank.de/images/chicagoblackhawks1996.jpg

vs.


SAN JOSE SHARKS
http://www.katrin-und-frank.de/images/sanjosesharks1996.jpg

[Haddonfield]

Not even a contest....Chicago!

Mikita!
Hull!
Espo's Brother! :)
Secord!
Savard!
Glenn Freakin Hall

I could go on and on with the great Blackhawks.


and who can forget Steve Larmer?

[daddiefatsacks]

San Jose!

[Moviefan1234]

CHICHAGO BLACKHAWKS! One day they will return to greatness...one of these days.

[horrorfreak13]

San Jose because the hell hole mess that the Blackhawks have become.

[TheAxeGrinder]

Stan Makita, Bobby Hull, and the rest of the guys.

[bob]

Chicago, because I'll never forget San Jose's 44-point season.

[ToRontoRon]

I hate the Chicago Blackhawks. Jeremy Roenick, Chris Chelios, Tony Amonte, Ed Belfour...

Okay, so I'm living in the past a bit, and one of those guys has admittedly kind of grown on me, ;) , but they're just a sad mess of a franchise.

The Habs once had to bail the franchise out during the Original Six days to keep them in the League, they're a joke now, and they have the fewest Cups of the Original Six teams, (three).

Besides, I LOVED the Sharks' old teal road uniforms.

San Jose Sharks for me.

[arto_j]

I'll take the Sharks just for the hell of it.

[chiefxcel]

San Jose

[blankpage]

The Hawks

[outsyder]

Tied at 5.


Wow.:D

[Haddonfield]

Who has the tie breaker here? Step right up.



































Hey this really isnt Haddonfield....Ill go with the Hawks!
;)

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Who has the tie breaker here? Step right up.
































Hey this really isnt Haddonfield....Ill go with the Hawks!
;)


Just for that, I'm throwing away your original vote.;)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by outsyder
Just for that, I'm throwing away your original vote.;)


LMFAO!

I swear that wasnt me :rolleyes: :p But my evil twin brother, we know him as Mr. Orange.

[ToRontoRon]

*wearing a suit with a top hat and a big white moustache*


Hello, my name is Guy Incognito.

I believe I'm going to vote for those wonderful San Jose Sharks.

















(waits to see if outsyder bought it)
;)

[FrankT.JMackey]

San Jose!

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by FrankT.JMackey
San Jose!

Woohoo.

[Moviefan1234]

Someone needs to vote for Chicago! And quick! C'mon, think of the storied history of the Blackhawk franchise.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Someone needs to vote for Chicago! And quick! C'mon, think of the storied history of the Blackhawk franchise.



Preach it. This shouldnt be a contest.

[outsyder]

Sharks win!


CAROLINA HURRICANES
http://www.tsn.ca/images/stories/20020912/nhl_hurricanes_vertlogo_46890.gif

vs.


WASHINGTON CAPITALS
http://www.goaliesarchive.com/capitals/logo/washingtonalt1.jpg

[blankpage]

Heh...well, at least one of them will finally win.


The Capitals

[Haddonfield]

The Canes vs the Caps.

Yeah, how the hell can I pick this when I hate both teams?



With Pat Veerbek and his Whale being the cornerstone im going with.....

Stand back, theres a Hurricane a comething thru.

[ToRontoRon]

Not a big fan of either team. The first Leaf game I ever saw live was at MLG against the Washington Capitals, (a 4-4 tie), so I guess I'll pick them.

[daddiefatsacks]

Carolina elminated us 2 years ago

Ill choose Washington

[arto_j]

Pffft...

Capitals

[Moviefan1234]

I never liked the Caps.

Carolina

[TheAxeGrinder]

'Canes, if only for the glory days in Hartford. Washington only significant accomplishment: their 71(?) losses in one season. 'Nuff said.

[horrorfreak13]

lets see piece of shit team vs piece of shit team I'll go with...................... Washington I have no idea why.

[bob]

Washington raped Pittsburgh of it's talent, so I'll go Hurricanes.

[Haddonfield]

Alright, who's up next?

[outsyder]

And Washington wins in a squeaker 5-4.

Next match in a second.

[outsyder]

I'm going to get shit for this one . . . .

:D


HARTFORD WHALERS
http://www.gribblenation.com/twwhl/hfd.gif

vs.

EDMONTON OILERS
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/contests/alltimeoilers/images/oilers25th.jpg

[chiefxcel]

Hartford

.. cyke

Oilers easily

[ToRontoRon]

Wayne Gretzky
Mark Messier
Paul Coffey
Ryan Smyth
Jari Kurri
Esa Tikkanen
Grant Fuhr
Kevin Lowe
etc.
etc.
etc.

and the Edmonton Oilers

[daddiefatsacks]

The Oil

[urs74]

Oilers

[arto_j]

The Oilers.

[Moviefan1234]

http://images.sportsline.com/images/nhl/logos/EDM.gif

[TheAxeGrinder]

Gretzky

[horrorfreak13]

Oilers

[Haddonfield]

Im taking a point off because they had Coffey on their team but ill go with theOil. the damn team we ran into in two cup finals and we sure couldnt stop them.

[blankpage]

Gotta go with the Oil.

[outsyder]

Where has the love for the Whale gone?:D

10-0 for the incredible Oil.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by outsyder
Where has the love for the Whale gone?:D


The green & white. The Whale, forever...

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/tre_keon04.jpg

[outsyder]

Oilers win!

ST. LOUIS EAGLES
http://www.abalene.com/images/HockeyHallOfFame/StLouisEaglesNHLJerseyHockeyHallOfFame.jpg

vs.

PHILADELPHIA QUAKERS
http://www.flyershistory.com/images/quakjers.gif

[TheAxeGrinder]

Wow, the dinosaurs of the NHL, and by that I mean they're extinct. I'll give it to the Eagles, since they had the most wins of these one wimper wonders.

[ToRontoRon]

My vote is for the St. Louis Eagles. The simple reason being that the Philadelphia Quakers are the worst team in NHL history if you look at the percentage of available points they acquired in their history. In their only season in the League,1930/31, they put up a laughable 4-36-4 record for a .126 point percentage. Ouch.

It is tough to vote for the Eagles, though, since the team relocated from Ottawa after the loser Senators franchise folded.


;)

[Moviefan1234]

St. Louis Eagles

[horrorfreak13]

St. Louis Eagles

[outsyder]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
It is tough to vote for the Eagles, though, since the team relocated from Ottawa after the loser Senators franchise folded.


;)

First of all, I said base it on your opinion of THAT team alone. Previous or future franchises shouldn't count towards a vote.


Secondly:


1933-34 Chicago Black Hawks
1932-33 New York Rangers
1931-32 Toronto Maple Leafs
1930-31 Montreal Canadiens
1929-30 Montreal Canadiens
1928-29 Boston Bruins
1927-28 New York Rangers
1926-27 Ottawa Senators
1925-26 Montreal Maroons
1924-25 Victoria Cougars
1923-24 Montreal Canadiens
1922-23 Ottawa Senators
1921-22 Toronto St. Pats
1920-21 Ottawa Senators
1919-20 Ottawa Senators
1918-19 No decision
1917-18 Toronto Arenas
1916-17 Seattle Metropolitians
1915-16 Montreal Canadiens
1914-15 Vancouver Millionaires
1913-14 Toronto Blueshirts
1912-13 Quebec Bulldogs
1911-12 Quebec Bulldogs
1910-11 Ottawa Senators
1909-10 Montreal Wanderers
1908-09 Ottawa Senators
1907-08 Montreal Wanderers
1906-07 Montreal Wanderers
1906-07 Kenora Thistles
1905-06 Montreal Wanderers
1905-06 Ottawa Senators
1904-05 Ottawa Senators
1903-04 Ottawa Senators
1902-03 Ottawa Senators
1902-03 Montreal Amateur Athletic Association (AAA)
1901-02 Montreal AAA
1901-02 Winnipeg Victoria
1900-01 Winnipeg Victoria
1899-1900 Montreal Shamrocks
1898-99 Montreal Shamrocks
1897-98 Montreal Victorias
1896-97 Montreal Victorias
1895-96 Winnipeg Victorias
1895-96 Montreal Victorias
1894-95 Montreal Victorias
1893-94 Montreal AAA
1892-93 Montreal AAA


If you'll notice, Ottawa appears 10 times on that list, and won 4 Cups since the NHL formed in 1917 and since they folded in 1934.

:)

[Haddonfield]

I know nothing about any of those teams...in fact I know nothing about anything....but im going with Philly because I said so!

:)

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by outsyder
First of all, I said base it on your opinion of THAT team alone. Previous or future franchises shouldn't count towards a vote.


Secondly:


1933-34 Chicago Black Hawks
1932-33 New York Rangers
1931-32 Toronto Maple Leafs
1930-31 Montreal Canadiens
1929-30 Montreal Canadiens
1928-29 Boston Bruins
1927-28 New York Rangers
1926-27 Ottawa Senators
1925-26 Montreal Maroons
1924-25 Victoria Cougars
1923-24 Montreal Canadiens
1922-23 Ottawa Senators
1921-22 Toronto St. Pats
1920-21 Ottawa Senators
1919-20 Ottawa Senators
1918-19 No decision
1917-18 Toronto Arenas
1916-17 Seattle Metropolitians
1915-16 Montreal Canadiens
1914-15 Vancouver Millionaires
1913-14 Toronto Blueshirts
1912-13 Quebec Bulldogs
1911-12 Quebec Bulldogs
1910-11 Ottawa Senators
1909-10 Montreal Wanderers
1908-09 Ottawa Senators
1907-08 Montreal Wanderers
1906-07 Montreal Wanderers
1906-07 Kenora Thistles
1905-06 Montreal Wanderers
1905-06 Ottawa Senators
1904-05 Ottawa Senators
1903-04 Ottawa Senators
1902-03 Ottawa Senators
1902-03 Montreal Amateur Athletic Association (AAA)
1901-02 Montreal AAA
1901-02 Winnipeg Victoria
1900-01 Winnipeg Victoria
1899-1900 Montreal Shamrocks
1898-99 Montreal Shamrocks
1897-98 Montreal Victorias
1896-97 Montreal Victorias
1895-96 Winnipeg Victorias
1895-96 Montreal Victorias
1894-95 Montreal Victorias
1893-94 Montreal AAA
1892-93 Montreal AAA


If you'll notice, Ottawa appears 10 times on that list, and won 4 Cups since the NHL formed in 1917 and since they folded in 1934.

:)

Teeheehee. I thought that would get you wound up. ;)

I was just joking about the Sens/Eagles connection, and my vote was for the Eagles because the Quakers were so pathetic.

But I want to make two points:

Firstly, the Senators were actually the Ottawa Silver Seven for a lot of those seasons, and their first Cup as the "Senators" was in 1909, but that doesn't really matter.

Secondly, it's a bit unfair to count the Stanley Cups before the NHL formed since it wasn't very organized and the trophy could be contested like the WWE championship belt. There were challenges for it that didn't involve any leagues.

It's therefore a bit unfair to think of the Sens franchise as having won 14 Cups. (Not that total number of Cups won means everything when comparing franchises, but it is a pretty important little nugget to have). Here's an excerpt from the "Bible" of hockey; The Official Encyclopedia of the National Hockey League called 'Total Hockey' - 1998 version. Page 223, Ottawa Senators section, 3rd paragraph:

"From 1893 to 1934, when Ottawa teams were eligible to compete for the Stanley Cup, the Ottawa Silver Seven and Senator teams combined for nine championship seasons. This Stanley Cup record was unprecedented at the time and remains tied with Detroit for third behind the 24 victories of the Montreal Canadiens and the 13 of the Toronto Maple Leafs/St. Pats/Arenas. (A case can also be made that the 1914 Stanley Cup victory of the Toronto Blueshirts gives the franchise 14 championships.)"

NOTE: Since this was published, the Wings have passed the Sens to move into sole possession of third.

Like I said, total number of Cups isn't everything, but I thought I'd mention this.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by ToRontoRon
It's therefore a bit unfair to think of the Sens franchise as having won 14 Cups. (Not that total number of Cups won means everything when comparing franchises, but it is a pretty important little nugget to have). Here's an excerpt from the "Bible" of hockey; The Official Encyclopedia of the National Hockey League called 'Total Hockey' - 1998 version. Page 223, Ottawa Senators section, 3rd paragraph:

"From 1893 to 1934, when Ottawa teams were eligible to compete for the Stanley Cup, the Ottawa Silver Seven and Senator teams combined for nine championship seasons. This Stanley Cup record was unprecedented at the time and remains tied with Detroit for third behind the 24 victories of the Montreal Canadiens and the 13 of the Toronto Maple Leafs/St. Pats/Arenas. (A case can also be made that the 1914 Stanley Cup victory of the Toronto Blueshirts gives the franchise 14 championships.)"

NOTE: Since this was published, the Wings have passed the Sens to move into sole possession of third.

Like I said, total number of Cups isn't everything, but I thought I'd mention this.


That site is outdated. Ottawa has since then had 2 more Stanley Cups recognized by the NHL at the beginning of this year, as the banners are hanging from the rafters after they were put there at the beginning of this season. The total is 11 Cups. Although I am sure there are at least 9 recognized by the NHL (there are at least that many banners in the rafters). It's pretty difficult to say when the NHL is allowing Stanley Cup championships to be recognized, as everyone seems to have a different opinion.

Here's the history from 1903-1927:


1903- Ottawa Silver Seven defeat the Montreal Victorias March 7 & 8 (1-1, 8-0) and they defeat the Rat Portage Thistles March 12 & 14).
1904- Ottawa Silver Seven defeat the Winnipeg Rowing Club December 30, 1903, January 1, & 4 (9-1, 2-6, 2-0) they defeat the Toronto Marlboros February 23 & 25 (6-3, 11-2) they defeat the Montreal Wanderers March 2 (5-5- Montreal loses by default) and they defeat the Brandon Wheat Kings March 9 & 11 (6-3, 9-3).
[/b]1905[/b]- Ottawa Silver Seven defeat Dawson City January 13 & 16 (9-2, 23-2) and the Rat Portage Thistles March 7, 9, & 11 (3-9, 4-2, 5-4)
1906- Ottawa Silver Seven defeat Queen's University February 27, & 28 (16-7, 12-7) and Smiths Falls March 6 & 8 (6-5, 8-2).
1906- Montreal Wanderers defeat the Ottawa Silver Seven March 14, & 17 (9-1, 9-3).
1908- Montreal Wanderers defeat the Ottawa Victorias January 9, & 13 (9-3, 13-1).
1909- Ottawa Senators go unchallenged
1910- Ottawa Senators defeat Galt January 5, & 7 (12-3, 3-1) and the Edmonton Eskimos January 18, & 20 (8-4, 13-7).
1911- Ottawa Senators defeat Galt March 13 7-4, and Port Arthur March 16 13-4.
1915- Vancouver Millionaires defeat the Ottawa Senators March 22, 24, & 26 (6-2, 8-3, 12-3).
1920- Ottawa Senators defeat the Seattle Metropolitains March 22, 24, 27, 30, & April 1 (3-2, 3-0, 1-3, 2-5, 6-1).
1921- Ottawa Senators defeat the Vancouver Millionaires March 21, 24, 28, 31, & April 4 (1-2, 4-3, 3-2, 2-3, 2-1).
1923- Ottawa Senators defeat the Vancouver Maroons March 16, 19, 23, & 26 (1-0, 1-4, 3-2, 5-1) and the Edmonton Eskimos March 29, & 31 (2-1, 1-0).
1927- Ottawa Senators defeat the Boston Bruins April 7, 9, 11, 13 (0-0, 3-1, 1-1, 3-1).


I think they are all recognized, but I'm not entirely sure. I DO know that the first banner at the CC is from the very early 1900's.

Just not sure which one.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by outsyder
That site is outdated. Ottawa has since then had 2 more Stanley Cups recognized by the NHL at the beginning of this year, as the banners are hanging from the rafters after they were put there at the beginning of this season. The total is 11 Cups. Although I am sure there are at least 9 recognized by the NHL (there are at least that many banners in the rafters). It's pretty difficult to say when the NHL is allowing Stanley Cup championships to be recognized, as everyone seems to have a different opinion.



Thanks for the info. I was unaware of that.

[urs74]

Not sure about either team but i gotta go with the home town team Philly Quakers gets my vote!

[outsyder]

Eagles win.

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
http://www.katrin-und-frank.de/images/pitpeng.jpg

vs.

NEW YORK ISLANDERS
http://www.schshl.com/assets/images/new_york_islanders.jpg

[TheAxeGrinder]

Hmm, on one hand, we have Mario, Francis, Coffey and that dickhead Jaromir, and on the other we have Potvin, Bossy and Smith. I'll go with the Island, since they had Buffalo Billy.

[Moviefan1234]

http://images.sportsline.com/images/nhl/logos/PIT.gif

[ToRontoRon]

I hate the Isles.

Pittsburgh Penguins all the way.

[urs74]

http://www.worldofdemosthenes.com/sportspage/lemieux/mario_lemieux.jpg

Gotta go with the Pens it has my favortie player of all time on it.

[Peppy]

I also have to go with the Pittsburgh Penguins .

[horrorfreak13]

Penguins

[chiefxcel]

Mario Lemieux, Mark Recchi, Kevin Stevens, Paul Coffey.

Penguins easily.