***OFFICIAL MLB 2004 SEASON THREAD***

[daddiefatsacks]

for the love of god J.P.

TRADE DELGADO!

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
for the love of god J.P.

TRADE DELGADO!

That would be possible but remember Delgado has a no trade clause and if there isn't a deal that satisfies Delgado or if he dosen't want to be traded there's nothing J.P. Riccardi can do about it.

[kdawg]

Yes I do think MJ has somewhat tarnished his career. I mean don't get me wrong, he's my favorite athlete of all time but I still don't think that he should have came back. I grew up watching and admiring Jordan for what he could do. A lot of the kids today didn't get a chance to see that, they only got a chance to see what he could do with the Wizards. Me personally still thinks that he's the greatest but many will remember him as simply another "good" player and not the almighty MJ that we all came to know.
As far as Delgado goes, I don't understand why Toronto won't try to keep him. Maybe they did or are and I haven't heard. I know many of you live in Canada and you probably hear more about him than we in the states do. If they are trying to keep him can someone tell me or if he's going to be traded has anyone heard where he might be by the deadline?

[thedudeman69]

I saw Jordan play in the 1998 NBA championships with my brother on tv and He is one of the greatest. I was proud to watch that great of a B-ball player and I went fucking crazy when they won the championship that year.

[jackson13]

When the fuck did this turn into the NBA thread?

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by jackson13
When the fuck did this turn into the NBA thread?


Hey, he did strikeout alot in the minor league!

:D

[CrazyKillah]

Schilling proves that he's the ultimate stopper once again! The Sox need to take this 2 game series from the woeful Mariners.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by kdawg
As far as Delgado goes, I don't understand why Toronto won't try to keep him. Maybe they did or are and I haven't heard. I know many of you live in Canada and you probably hear more about him than we in the states do. If they are trying to keep him can someone tell me or if he's going to be traded has anyone heard where he might be by the deadline?

It's his salary he makes $18.5 million or something like that but Delgado said he won't waive his no trade clause so he's staying in Toronto unless he changes his mind which the way this season is going is just ugly.

Halladay is getting his shoulder checked out and might miss his next start. :confused: OK seriously is there a curse on Toronto sports teams? This is ridiculous i't like some person in Ottawa or out West has a voodoo doll to bring bad luck in Toronto or something like that.

[Chris_R]

What in the fuck is wrong with Carlos Zambrano? That dumb son of a bitch did a great job making the Cubs look like a real class act of a baseball team tonight. First he beans Edmonds so obviously on purpose its not funny....yet for no apparent reason other than that he was frustrated in his poor performance so far. Than he mouths off at edmonds after Jim took his punk ass deep. Then later on in the 8th he beans Edmonds on purpose AGAIN cause he got some sand in his vagina over Rolen taking him deep.

You know, sometimes I agree with a teams choice to retaliate, for a beaning, but I really am glad Carpenter didnt do that tonight. Zambrano was clearly off his rocker for whatever reasons. Theres a difference between being pumped, and showing emotion for the game, but come on. That was ridiculous.

Go Cards!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Schilling proves that he's the ultimate stopper once again! The Sox need to take this 2 game series from the woeful Mariners.


Tough one last night...whats up with Foulke?

Arroyo pitched a FANTASTIC game and this is a few starts in a row where he has been very good. Too bad he didnt get the W

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Tough one last night...whats up with Foulke?

Arroyo pitched a FANTASTIC game and this is a few starts in a row where he has been very good. Too bad he didnt get the W Yeah, he's blown a number of saves lately. Maybe people just are fooled by this fastball/change-up routine. Let's face facts... his fastball is hardly overpowering (88-90 mph?). That was a game they really needed last night, as they could have gained ground on both the Yanks and the A's. The boys need Scotty Williamson back in a big way. D Lowe needs to get his shit together today and get a W, because this team needs to get some momentum going. Arroyo was great last night. And, like you said, he's been very good his last several times out, with nothing to show for it. He's the best 3-7 pitcher in the The Bigs. It seems like this team tries my patience and loyalty on a game-by-game basis.

[daddiefatsacks]

Yeah man, Zambrano is a nut, don't really understand why he'd throw at Edmons the first time, then Edmonds takes him absolutely yard....and he gets mad at him??? What the hell.

That Goof should be suspended.

My boy Roy Halladay is gone for 4-6 weeks

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Yeah, he's blown a number of saves lately. Maybe people just are fooled by this fastball/change-up routine. Let's face facts... his fastball is hardly overpowering (88-90 mph?). That was a game they really needed last night, as they could have gained ground on both the Yanks and the A's. The boys need Scotty Williamson back in a big way. D Lowe needs to get his shit together today and get a W, because this team needs to get some momentum going. Arroyo was great last night. And, like you said, he's been very good his last several times out, with nothing to show for it. He's the best 3-7 pitcher in the The Bigs. It seems like this team tries my patience and loyalty on a game-by-game basis.


Here is a question...lets say Ortiz gets suspended for 3-5 games as is being predicted...can he appleal them just to put it off so he can play in the Yanks series this weekend? He is a Yankeekiller.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Here is a question...lets say Ortiz gets suspended for 3-5 games as is being predicted...can he appleal them just to put it off so he can play in the Yanks series this weekend? He is a Yankeekiller. Certainly, and that's EXACTLY what is going to happen. Man, for a second there, I thought they were going to blow today's game, too. The bullpen is getting roughed up lately.

[Rated R]

Originally posted by Chris_R
What in the fuck is wrong with Carlos Zambrano? That dumb son of a bitch did a great job making the Cubs look like a real class act of a baseball team tonight. First he beans Edmonds so obviously on purpose its not funny....yet for no apparent reason other than that he was frustrated in his poor performance so far. Than he mouths off at edmonds after Jim took his punk ass deep. Then later on in the 8th he beans Edmonds on purpose AGAIN cause he got some sand in his vagina over Rolen taking him deep.

You know, sometimes I agree with a teams choice to retaliate, for a beaning, but I really am glad Carpenter didnt do that tonight. Zambrano was clearly off his rocker for whatever reasons. Theres a difference between being pumped, and showing emotion for the game, but come on. That was ridiculous.

Go Cards!

Zambrano is a solid pitcher, but he has to get his Ron Hextall attitude checked out before he embarasses himself any further. Look at Edmonds in this game, even when he got plunked the second time, he didn't lose his cool too badly. I imagine he was mighty pissed but he should be.

Chris Carpenter handled it very well. His diplomatic meeting with Sosa on the mound, I respect Carpenter and I think he has really gelled this season.

Cardinals-A's World Series baby!

[Chris_R]

Yeah when he plunked Edmonds the second time, Jim just looked at him like "Dude, WTF?" I thought for sure all hell would break loose after that.

[jackson13]

First off, that "dumb sonofabitch" didnt plunk him the first time. That was a ball that got away from him. You'll remember that Carlos was wound up when the game started and walked the first batter 4-0. He was off the first inning entirely but got things under control. Then later, Mr. Sudden Ego Jim Edmonds smashes the ball and feels the need to showboat Barry Bonds style and do a little pose after crushing it and then running the bases. If I was Carlos, I would've said something to him as well, something along the lines of "Get your egotistic ass back on the bench". Then, later, after a few shouting matches between dugouts and whatnot, Edmonds gets up again and Carlos plunked him. That time on purpose. Sure, it was a low thing to do, but for one, consider this: The Cubs and Cards hate each other. Everytime they play, every game they play, something happens. Its to be expected. This time, for once, the Cubs started it.

I hate the Cardinals with every fiber of my being, but at least I'm respectable about it. Carlos is one of the best pitchers in the entire National League, hence his All Star Game Performance. Its funny, I didnt see any Cardinals pitchers on the NL All Star Team. Hmmmmm.

[Chris_R]

Hmmm, thats cause they already had 3 dudes on the freaking infield. Arguably the best hitter at 1st, and definately the best defensive 3 bagger in recent history.

And you cannot sit there and tell me that first bean ball at Jim was an accident. Pro's make accidents, but not like that. Every single announcer, and analyist I read or heard from agree that was intentional. Alot of them are ex-ball players (some even pitchers) So I'd assume they have a clue. And Edmonds didnt even stand there and admire the HR THAT long. Zambrano, was just pissed cause paybacks a bitch. Carlos is good though I wont argue that, but he let his emotions get the better of him that game and made a complete ass of himself. The same way Hawkins did.

I like the Cubs, and I was pissed about the Bartman thing last year. The Cards just got somthing going this year that not even hardcore redbirds fans like me expected. I honestly had them pegged for a 3rd or 4th place year...MAYBE a Wild card contender.

Hopefully the Cards will hold on, and the Cubs will get the WC. Maybe we'll meet again.

[Rated R]

Originally posted by jackson13
First off, that "dumb sonofabitch" didnt plunk him the first time. That was a ball that got away from him. You'll remember that Carlos was wound up when the game started and walked the first batter 4-0. He was off the first inning entirely but got things under control. Then later, Mr. Sudden Ego Jim Edmonds smashes the ball and feels the need to showboat Barry Bonds style and do a little pose after crushing it and then running the bases. If I was Carlos, I would've said something to him as well, something along the lines of "Get your egotistic ass back on the bench". Then, later, after a few shouting matches between dugouts and whatnot, Edmonds gets up again and Carlos plunked him. That time on purpose. Sure, it was a low thing to do, but for one, consider this: The Cubs and Cards hate each other. Everytime they play, every game they play, something happens. Its to be expected. This time, for once, the Cubs started it.

I hate the Cardinals with every fiber of my being, but at least I'm respectable about it. Carlos is one of the best pitchers in the entire National League, hence his All Star Game Performance. Its funny, I didnt see any Cardinals pitchers on the NL All Star Team. Hmmmmm.

Respect? I didn't think I said anything in a disrespectful in how I thought Zambrano embarassed both himself and his team. I don't even dislike the Cubs, I think they have all the talent in the world, but they should not allow their rivalry get in the way of the game at hand. Carlos did that, he mouthed off at Edmonds when he took him yard and then popped him one because off his own mistake. Zambrano is a damn good pitcher, but he hurts his team sometimes with his emotions.

And you're right, the Cards didn't have a pitcher on the All Star team, but you can't deny that they've had solid pitching for the most of the year, especially since Matt Morris has been inconsistent. When your Ace pitcher pitches like Jeremy Bonderman on his worst day every other start and your team is still out in front in your division, there's something happening there.

The Cardinals this year have overcome adversity, with Morris not up to snuff and Jim Edmonds being hurt from time to time, they need another starting pitcher by the trade deadline if they want to go far in the post-season, and another bat wouldn't hurt either, but they don't have much to give up for it. Unless they do pick up one or the other, I don't see them doing much late in the campaign.

I remain confident that they will find a way, maybe get Kris Benson from Pittsburgh even though they are division rivals.

Go Cards!

[RicochetShaw]

WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! SOX WIN! SOX WIN!! SOX WIN ON BILL MUELLER HOME RUN IN BOTTOM OF THE 9TH!


What a fantastic game! :) :) :)

:D :D

GO SOX GO!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! SOX WIN! SOX WIN!! SOX WIN ON BILL MUELLER HOME RUN IN BOTTOM OF THE 9TH!


What a fantastic game! :) :) :)

:D :D

GO SOX GO!


About time. Damn this team is pissing me off. Hopefully this is the springboard that is needed to jumpstart this season!

[jackson13]

Rated R, I wasnt replying to your comment at all. I was replying to Chris's. Just FYI.


Also, nice to see the Cubs get fucked today. That was a ball 4 Sammy got, not strike 3. I'll repeat it until im blue in the face.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
About time. Damn this team is pissing me off. Hopefully this is the springboard that is needed to jumpstart this season! A-fucking-men, brother! I just hope that no suspensions come from the brawl. This is shaping up to be the greatest series in MLB this season. I swear, every time I'm ready to give up on 'em they pull out something big. Hopefully, Derek "I'm not crazy" Lowe has his shit together tomorrow night. The Sox have owned Contreras' ass in the past, but he seems to have gotten his shit together recently. We shall see...

[Rated R]

Originally posted by jackson13
Rated R, I wasnt replying to your comment at all. I was replying to Chris's. Just FYI.


Also, nice to see the Cubs get fucked today. That was a ball 4 Sammy got, not strike 3. I'll repeat it until im blue in the face.

Oh I know, just messing with ya, ya silly Cubs fan.

Speaking of the Cubs, they just broke up Eric Milton's no-hitter in the 9th! Glanville played it too deep and cost them the game, otherwise Milton would have had it as he struck out the next two. Too bad since I really like Milton, shame he doesn't even get the win since the Cubs tied the game.

David Bush wins his first major league game as the Blue Jays sweep the D-Rays who have fallen apart as expected. This kid is fantastic! One Earned Run today, a near no-hitter against Oakland, his control is impeccable. If the Jays can hold onto him, they might get a decent rotation yet.

The Yanks-Sox game last night was intense, what a finish! Tonight should be just as interesting.

[RicochetShaw]

Well, Sox end up taking 2 out of 3 games from the Yanks, and are now 7.5 games back. Is the AL East race over? Lots of people are saying it's over, but I still think something may happen.

[horrorfreak13]

Nice to see David Bush get his first win this kid has been impressive he has given up 1 Earned Run in about 14 innings just amazing and once of my favourite Blue Jays pitchers retired Pat Hentgen it's too bad he couldn't help the team obiously he didn't have it at all and was the only bright spot on a 1996 team that was bad and won the Cy Young award over Andy Pettite.

The Blue Jays traded Terry Adams to the Red Sox for some minor leaguer well good luck Red Sox fans hope you don't have to watch him blow any 9th inning leads.

The Blue Jays play the Evil Empire lets just hope the Blue Jays don't blow any other great pitching outings since they blown 2 last week with Oakland and the Yankees all 1-0 losses.

[CrazyKillah]

And the BoSox win again (cut me a little slack... a three game winning streak has been awful tough to come by for these guys this year). I'm just hoping that Randy Johnson's lanky ass stays put out west.

[chilli pepper]

Twins won the other night putting us (If memeory serves) a game and a half ahead, very cool. I even enjoyed Hunter plowing the shit out of the catcher too...fuck the white sox GOTWINS!

[horrorfreak13]

You know looking at the Cardinals right now they have looked great and to me seem like the best team in the league and have better bullpins than the Yankees and the Red Sox since right now it appears all you need to do is get throught their starting pitching.

As much as Randy Johnson would help the Yankees they need bullpin help more than starting pitching and they have little or no prospects left.

If I'm with a team right now I would look at either the Twins or the Indians since both of their farm clubs are doing well but the Indians might now be in it at the end.

[jackson13]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chilli pepper
[B] I even enjoyed Hunter plowing the shit out of the catcher too...fuck the white sox.....


You know, that was one of the best things I've seen lately.


I despise the White Sox. You have just made a new friend in me. Fuck the South Side!

[chilli pepper]

You know, that was one of the best things I've seen lately.I despise the White Sox. You have just made a new friend in me. Fuck the South Side!

Rock and roll brother!:cool:

Anyway the twins won today (in quite possibly the best baseball game i've ever seen) putting us three and a half games ahead and on top of our divison \m/ \m/

[Chris_R]

Look out for the Royals. I predict a serious comeback! :D

[horrorfreak13]

A-Rod's speech yesterday "4 games is a little harsh" Oh cry me a river why does everyone who get a suspension appeal man now I just realized why I like guys like Pat Hentgen they don't act like babies.

Anyway Arizona isn't impressed with the Yankees prospects and looks like Randy Johnson will stay in Arizona.

Also it looks like the Cubs are after Expos Orlando Cabrera 1 of few bright spots for the Expos well him and Wilkenson have been the bright spots.

[MarkItZero]

Prior just gave up 6 runs in 4.1 innings.

I want the old Prior back.

[daddiefatsacks]

So Benson and Zambrano to the mets

Penny to the Dodgers

who else is gonna go today?? where is the big unit gonna land!

[jackson13]

WE (The Cubs) GOT NOMAR!!!!!!!!!!


woot woot!!!!!



I love Gonzo, but I can easily part ways with him for the likes of Nomar.



World Series here we come!!!!!!


p.s.: I litterally choked on a cookie when I read this on Yahoo.

[thedudeman69]

HOLY SHIT DUDE! The Cubs got nomar?

[RicochetShaw]

NOMAR GONE TO CUBS?!?! :confused: :eek: :mad:

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I can't believe it, the outburts above are from anger. I'm seriously shocked and appalled, I mean, I love Nomar, but the thing that REALLY gets me is that we didn't even get Clement out of this! I was hearing on ESPN that that was a possibility, but I guess THeo wasn't smooth enough. And even though the trade deadline was imminent, this deal shouldn't have been accepted. No Clement = No Nomar. But no, we gave him up for Cabrera and Mientkiewicz, puh-lease! I hate 4-team deals. FURGE!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[CrazyKillah]

I can see me Sox trading Nomar for a quality starting pitcher (he IS a free agent after this season), but this... ugh, this could suck. I hope this doesn't come back to bite them in the ass. Let's just hope that the Boy Wonder (aka Theo Epstein) knows what he's doing.

[Haddonfield]

I fer one was shocked as hell about trading Nomar but I guess all of the WEEI talk was right all along about him not wanting to stay here.

This is a very strange trade overall. I just hope the Sox offense doesnt suffer big time from this. They are adding two gold glove winners but who have a combined 9 homers and the averages are sub par.

I guess Theo is confident with Pedro/Curt/Arroyo in the post season...Thats what Im hanging my hat on, how fantastic Arroyo has pitched now for most of the season but his W/L doesnt reflect it.

Very Interesting.

But this is the same town that traded Ray Bourque so nothing surprises me anymore.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
I fer one was shocked as hell about trading Nomar but I guess all of the WEEI talk was right all along about him not wanting to stay here.

This is a very strange trade overall. I just hope the Sox offense doesnt suffer big time from this. They are adding two gold glove winners but who have a combined 9 homers and the averages are sub par.

I guess Theo is confident with Pedro/Curt/Arroyo in the post season...Thats what Im hanging my hat on, how fantastic Arroyo has pitched now for most of the season but his W/L doesnt reflect it.

Very Interesting.

But this is the same town that traded Ray Bourque so nothing surprises me anymore. I guess that we should also be thankful that Randy Johnson stayed put in Arizona. I also don't think that the Yanks gained a whole lot in Loaiza, other than the fact that he probably doesn't tremble at the thought to facing the Sox, like Contreras always had. Aside from last season, Loaiza has never been a good pitcher. Arroyo has been solid lately, though, like you said, his W/L record doesn't reflect it very well (he's certainly pitched better than Lowe who has six more wins than him). We shall see...

[Haddonfield]

Nomar update - He will be batting 2nd and wearing number 8

Number 8?????????

Who has or did have number 5 in Chi-town?

[bob]

Did I read right on Yahoo that the Twins only got a minor-leaguer for Mienkewitchaiazdioz?

[bmain77]

I'm not that big of a Nomah or Red Sox fan, but it doesn't look right at all seeing Nomah in a Cubs uniform. I can't think of another athlete changing teams and have it seem this strange to me. It's sort of disorienting.

I wish they made this trade while SNL was in season so we could see how the Boston crew would have reacted.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Tigers not making any moves. In this weak division they still have a half way realistic shot if they get hot again like they were at the start of a season. But thats a bit unrealistic. I wouldn't have minded seeing Rondell, Urbina, or Maroth go in exchange for some decent prospects. Supposedly the Tiges were asking for top elite prospects which really is asking a lot for what they would be giving up.

[ChemicalRomance]

Funny thing about Nomar is: he got traded from one cursed team to another.

People have to understand that Nomar really gave up on the Red Sox. He didn't want to play there anymore at all. He had no desire anymore. You could just see it in the way he was playing, not like he used to. It wasn't the same after he knew or heard he might be traded for A-Rod. He figures: why should I play for a team that doesn't want me? To me, that's kind of childish. Even if you think you might be traded, and don't get traded...you still have to play for your team. They are paying to perform. You shouldn't give up on them. The trade in my mind was needed, as in getting Nomar out. But, the people they got for Nomar can't play dead in a soap Opera. Doug M. is a great fielder, but his hitting has really declined this season. His fielding is a big step up from the Sox last first baseman David Ortiz, who couldn't field a ball if it was rolling 1 MPH. Orlando Cabrera, Nomar's replacement is a complete dud. His error in yesterdays game against the Twins' caused the winnign run to score in a Sox loss and he can't hit for anything.

The End.

GO YANKEES.

[jackson13]

Member what happened when the Red Sox traded their biggest star at the time, Babe Ruth?



I sadly feel its gonna be Deja Vu all over again, seeing as how they traded their biggest star nowadays, Nooomaaah.

And Haddonfield, to answer your question, #5 for the Cubs is catcher Michael Barrett.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by jackson13
Member what happened when the Red Sox traded their biggest star at the time, Babe Ruth?



I sadly feel its gonna be Deja Vu all over again, seeing as how they traded their biggest star nowadays, Nooomaaah.

And Haddonfield, to answer your question, #5 for the Cubs is catcher Michael Barrett.


Nah, he used to be our biggest star, but for the past couple o' years he dropped out of the spot of being the "red sox darling". I don't think he led the team in any offensive categories, which would be hard to do when you've got hitters like Manny, Ortiz, and Mueller. Sure he won the batting title, but that was a while ago, and things sure have changed.


I actually don't mind that he's gone, I just wish we got Clement out of the deal.

But you know who started this whole ordeal? KEVIN MILLAR! That meathead couldn't contain how ecstatic he was that Nomar was going to be traded for A-Rod in the off-season, he really stirred up some tension in the clubhouse. I remember hearing a quote from him saying something like, "Yeah Nomar is good, but when you can get A-Rod, it's no contest, i'd say goodbye Nomar hello A-Rod." - I mean, my gosh, how could he say something like that about his teammate? Nomar was hurt and I don't blame him, what a jerk. I wish so much that he was traded on Saturday, instead of Nomar.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
I just wish we got Clement out of the deal.



NO! YOU CANT HAVE HIM!

Or any of our other pitchers for that matter!


Neener neener neener.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Funny thing about Nomar is: he got traded from one cursed team to another.

People have to understand that Nomar really gave up on the Red Sox. He didn't want to play there anymore at all. He had no desire anymore. You could just see it in the way he was playing, not like he used to. It wasn't the same after he knew or heard he might be traded for A-Rod. He figures: why should I play for a team that doesn't want me? To me, that's kind of childish. Even if you think you might be traded, and don't get traded...you still have to play for your team. They are paying to perform. You shouldn't give up on them. The trade in my mind was needed, as in getting Nomar out. But, the people they got for Nomar can't play dead in a soap Opera. Doug M. is a great fielder, but his hitting has really declined this season. His fielding is a big step up from the Sox last first baseman David Ortiz, who couldn't field a ball if it was rolling 1 MPH. Orlando Cabrera, Nomar's replacement is a complete dud. His error in yesterdays game against the Twins' caused the winnign run to score in a Sox loss and he can't hit for anything.

The End.

GO YANKEES. For the record... David Ortiz is NOT the Red Sox firstbaseman. He is their DH. And, Nomar's .320 batting average this year must be indicative of his lack of desire :rolleyes:

[bob]

That error wasn't Cabrera's fault. The CF threw the ball directly towards 1st base, i.e., where the cut-off man wasn't.

[chilli pepper]

YEAH. Twins a full FIVE games up on the white sox. Good bye, doug minkewiects (to hell if thats spelt correctly) I did always like the guy:(

[jackson13]

Originally posted by chilli pepper
YEAH. Twins a full FIVE games up on the white sox. Good bye, doug minkewiects (to hell if thats spelt correctly) I did always like the guy:(


This reminds me, my best friend is a huge White Sox fan, and we have yelling fights all the time over it because he gives me shit about being a Cubs fan. The other day he was making fun of me about them just out of the blue when they have been kicking ass lately, and I said, deadpan "Yeah. How are the Sox doing? What are they, 0-7 in the last 7 games? Such a pity." and his reply was "They are without Loaiza right now" so when I heard he got traded I said "Who are you gonna place the blame on now?" and he didnt say anything. And I laughed.


I hate the White Sox. Dear lord, do I ever hate the White Sox.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by jackson13
This reminds me, my best friend is a huge White Sox fan, and we have yelling fights all the time over it because he gives me shit about being a Cubs fan. The other day he was making fun of me about them just out of the blue when they have been kicking ass lately, and I said, deadpan "Yeah. How are the Sox doing? What are they, 0-7 in the last 7 games? Such a pity." and his reply was "They are without Loaiza right now" so when I heard he got traded I said "Who are you gonna place the blame on now?" and he didnt say anything. And I laughed.


I hate the White Sox. Dear lord, do I ever hate the White Sox. The problem with the ChiSox is that their sluggers have been seriously banged up for most of the season. Loaiza had ONE good year in his career (2003) - other than that, he's been mediocre at best. I thought it was hilarious that the Yanks finally gave up on Contreras, though. I think he may go down in history as the biggest BUST ever! I've got to say, though, that if I lived in Chicago, I'd have to root for the Cubbies - and that's not just because they have Nomar now, either.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by chilli pepper
YEAH. Twins a full FIVE games up on the white sox. Good bye, doug minkewiects (to hell if thats spelt correctly) I did always like the guy:(

The Twins were able to trade Menkewitcz because of how well Justin Morneau has been playing he would have went to the olympics for Canada and he already has 5 HR which is the same amount Menkewietz had when he was traded.

The Cubs gets Nomar all I had to say about that is WOW!!! Like I thought Boston would have gotten a pitcher but anybody is an upgrade at shortstop over Alex "I stike out 200 more times than I get hits" Gonzalez.

I'm glad the Yankees didn't get Randy Johnson and the best they could do was Esteban Loaiza who has came back to earth this year proving last year was a fluke or he made a deal with satan or both.

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by bob
That error wasn't Cabrera's fault. The CF threw the ball directly towards 1st base, i.e., where the cut-off man wasn't.

A look at the scorecards says something a little different my good man......THE CURSE OF NOMAR BEGINS!!!!!! ;)

[Haddonfield]

Thought the Sox had the sweep tonight but a bad desion in the 9th hurt.

[horrorfreak13]

Even worse the Yankees come back and win in the 11th. :confused: I can never understand it.

I look at the stats between the Blue Jays and the Yankees and there are 2 differences to where the Yankees are at and where the Blue Jays are at walks and home runs which amazed me I still think the Yankees have starting pitching woes that will give them problems in the playoffs.

[bob]

Originally posted by chasingbanky
A look at the scorecards says something a little different my good man......THE CURSE OF NOMAR BEGINS!!!!!! ;)

Forget the scorecard. Watch the play.

But yeah, if Boston was cursed before, they're double-cursed now.

Too bad, 'cause they're my second favorite team. After the Yankees, go figure.

[jackson13]

Maddux got 300 today!

Me=happy.

Way to go Maddy!

[thedudeman69]

Jeez The Dimoandbacks suck! My team The Braves kicked their ass twice already!

[horrorfreak13]

Great to see one of the best pitchers Greg Maddux get win #300 he might be the lats to do it for a long time.

The Blue Jays fired Carlos Tosca yesterday after they got waxed by the Yankees I probably saw this coming eventually they got off to a slow start and at one point 6 of their best players were injured so that dosen't help but wven with pretty much everyone back except Halladay they haven't gotten much better.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by jackson13
Maddux got 300 today!

Me=happy.

Way to go Maddy!
What a great pitcher.

[Tayzlor]

The Rangers are slumping.

They were outscored by the Orioles 30-10 and swept in four games. :(

Where are you Hank Blalock?!?

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Tayzlor
The Rangers are slumping.

They were outscored by the Orioles 30-10 and swept in four games. :(

Where are you Hank Blalock?!?


Well they beat the Yanks pretty bad last night.


But the slump isn't Blalock's fault, they have more than enough offense. They just need some starting pitching.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Ken Griffey Jr. is out for the year AGAIN :confused: Man he started playing well this year and he still can't stay healthy.

Well tonight it's watch the Blue Jays blow another god pitching performance. :confused:

[RicochetShaw]

Pedro with the complete game shutout!! WOOT!!


10 K's, YEAH!



GO SOX GO

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Pedro with the complete game shutout!! WOOT!!


10 K's, YEAH!



GO SOX GO



3 in a row, 5 out of 6, 1 game lead in the WC, things are starting to finally come together!

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Pedro with the complete game shutout!! WOOT!!


10 K's, YEAH!



GO SOX GO

Pedro is in my pool yeah while hey I predicted the lastest Blue Jays game. Starting pitching ends up being great offense dosen't help and bullpin blows it basically the Blue Jays season in a nutshell so right now consider me cherring for a Red Sox-Cubs series.

Hell as long as the Yankees don't win I'm happy.

[ChemicalRomance]

Seth: A beautiful day for poker, May, the Red Sox are first.

::crowd cheers::

Steve: Well, if that's true, then we know it's not October.

[thedudeman69]

OH GLORIUS DAY! The Braves beat the Cardnials 9-7 YEAH!

MOTHERFUCKING PENNANT here we come!

[Indiana Sev]

Didn't Selig say he was determined to find a new home for the Expos by the all-star game?

As far as I know, he didn't find a new city yet.

Anyone hear differently?

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Didn't Selig say he was determined to find a new home for the Expos by the all-star game?

As far as I know, he didn't find a new city yet.

Anyone hear differently?

I've heard that for months I think MLB wants to rid the Expos out of all of their good players first and then move the team since they have treated it like a farmt eam tha past 4 years which is a damn disgrace.

You know 10 years ago was when the Expos had the best record in baseball and were going to win the world series but NO! MLB decided lets go on strike and ruin the game in about 8 or 9 places primalily in Canada since along with the Expos the Blue Jays haven't recovered since.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I've heard that for months I think MLB wants to rid the Expos out of all of their good players first and then move the team since they have treated it like a farmt eam tha past 4 years which is a damn disgrace.

You know 10 years ago was when the Expos had the best record in baseball and were going to win the world series but NO! MLB decided lets go on strike and ruin the game in about 8 or 9 places primalily in Canada since along with the Expos the Blue Jays haven't recovered since.
The Expo's were sooooooo good in 94'.

[Haddonfield]

Saying the Expos were going to win the series in 94 is a bit of a long shot. They were certainly playing great baseball but by the same accounts that means that St Louis will win the series this year. If a strike happened tomorrow and the rest of the season was over, would we all say that St Louis was ripped off of a title?

It just means 8 teams were ripped off from entering the playoffs....same in 94.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Saying the Expos were going to win the series in 94 is a bit of a long shot. They were certainly playing great baseball but by the same accounts that means that St Louis will win the series this year. If a strike happened tomorrow and the rest of the season was over, would we all say that St Louis was ripped off of a title?

It just means 8 teams were ripped off from entering the playoffs....same in 94. Agreed. No one is a lock for the title. I certainly don't think anyone expected the Marlins to beat the Yanks last year, but look what happened... on another note, it was great to see Cabrera have something go his way last night when he drove in the game-winning run versus the Jays. The Boston papers had taken to calling him Cabrerror after his two fielding miscues in the previous game. It's funny, I thought for sure that Texas would fade eventually, but there they are, all knotted up with the BoSox for the WC lead. This could be a very interesting stretch run.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Saying the Expos were going to win the series in 94 is a bit of a long shot. They were certainly playing great baseball but by the same accounts that means that St Louis will win the series this year. If a strike happened tomorrow and the rest of the season was over, would we all say that St Louis was ripped off of a title?

It just means 8 teams were ripped off from entering the playoffs....same in 94.

You probably have a good point but what pissed me off was after it when MLB treated the franchise like it was a fucking farm club since that's all they have been doing for the past few years.
How else can you explain all the good players they have lost the past few years and all they got back was Nick Johnson and some backbenchers who will never make the pros form Minnesota and the White Sox.

Also the moving date on the Expos has been moved again they will discuss it and are hopeful a deal can get done before next season or whenever MLB tells Omar Minyaya to trade the rest of his all star caliber players for useless backbenchers.

[ChemicalRomance]

Shit, looks like even the Yankees go on mini-losing streaks...

[Haddonfield]

7 out of 10 for the BoSox and now it starts to get even more interesting with upcoming games vs The Angels and The Rangers...all at Fenway next week. Still have a home and home with The Yanks and sprinkle in the other AL east teams...this is going to be a fun 6 weeks.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
7 out of 10 for the BoSox and now it starts to get even more interesting with upcoming games vs The Angels and The Rangers...all at Fenway next week. Still have a home and home with The Yanks and sprinkle in the other AL east teams...this is going to be a fun 6 weeks.

Wasy for you this hasn't been a fun year period I'm hoping for the yankees to continue their losing streak and collapse at the end which would be great and funny at the same time

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Wasy for you this hasn't been a fun year period I'm hoping for the yankees to continue their losing streak and collapse at the end which would be great and funny at the same time


Its been a tough season with the early injuries for my team and dropping out of the pennate race and the Nomar trade. With the two great pitching additions I figured it would have been easier.

[Haddonfield]

Interesting news here...

I heard rumblings about The Rocket coming back to Boston but didnt know how close it really was/still is?

The Sox claimed him off waivers but were unwilling to give up whatever Houston was looking for in a trade...only had 48 hours to get it done but it didnt happen. The teams cant say what players were involved or else they get hit with a 250,000 fine. There still is a chance for another waiver deal.

Pedro
Schilling
Clemens
Lowe
Wakefield
Arroyo

Just like the fanatsy of Johnson...I likes the sounds of that! Get it done Theo!

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Pedro
Schilling
Clemens
Lowe
Wakefield
Arroyo

Just like the fanatsy of Johnson...I likes the sounds of that! Get it done Theo!

if they get Clemens they should get rid of Wakefield and demote him back to a reliver so that it would be a killer pitching staff

and by the way they ARE getting Clemens

[RicochetShaw]

No Clemens, please....

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Interesting news here...

I heard rumblings about The Rocket coming back to Boston but didnt know how close it really was/still is?

The Sox claimed him off waivers but were unwilling to give up whatever Houston was looking for in a trade...only had 48 hours to get it done but it didnt happen. The teams cant say what players were involved or else they get hit with a 250,000 fine. There still is a chance for another waiver deal.

Pedro
Schilling
Clemens
Lowe
Wakefield
Arroyo

Just like the fanatsy of Johnson...I likes the sounds of that! Get it done Theo!

I don't se eit happening Clemens didn't retire so he can pitch closer to home so trust me there is very little chance I would see Clemens in Boston or anywhere

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I don't se eit happening Clemens didn't retire so he can pitch closer to home so trust me there is very little chance I would see Clemens in Boston or anywhere


I didnt think so either untill I heard a deal was worked out but Boston decited not to pull the trigger...so it was very close.

[Benny]

Shit No!!!!!!!

Bud Selig is now going to be Commissioner until at least 2009, since the idiot owners voted to give him a 3-year contract extension at the meetings last week. Also, when the hell will they just move the Expos to D.C. already! (fuck Peter Angelos, just do it!)

How could you Red Sox fans forgive Clemens so easily if he returns to Boston? I know if he returned to the Yankees I'd still hate him, even if he was having a great season.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Benny
How could you Red Sox fans forgive Clemens so easily if he returns to Boston? I know if he returned to the Yankees I'd still hate him, even if he was having a great season.


Us Sox fans want one thing...a World Series Ring.

He also got a standing ovation, in pinstripes, his last time ever at Fenway.

With 6 weeks to go and a dog fight to the playoffs...a healthy, motivated Rocket is enough to "get over" any ill feelings. Fact is, he is one of the top pitchers in the history of the game and of course Red Sox history...him and Pedro sitting next to each other in the dugout would be a sight to see.

Forgive, forget, and finally win a freakin championship already!

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Us Sox fans want one thing...a World Series Ring.

He also got a standing ovation, in pinstripes, his last time ever at Fenway.

With 6 weeks to go and a dog fight to the playoffs...a healthy, motivated Rocket is enough to "get over" any ill feelings. Fact is, he is one of the top pitchers in the history of the game and of course Red Sox history...him and Pedro sitting next to each other in the dugout would be a sight to see.

Forgive, forget, and finally win a freakin championship already!
Yankees v. Red Sox in September is going to be INTENSE.

My dad and I have back-to-back days at Yankee stadiums. 8 rows behind home plate. Cannot wait.

Yanks are getting outta this soon. Fuck the Sox.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Benny
Shit No!!!!!!!

Bud Selig is now going to be Commissioner until at least 2009, since the idiot owners voted to give him a 3-year contract extension at the meetings last week. Also, when the hell will they just move the Expos to D.C. already! (fuck Peter Angelos, just do it!)



Great Satan himself is commisioner for 5 more fucking years the guy who ruined baseball in Canada mostly in Montreal and when are they moving the Expos to D.C. or anywhere meh who knows I'm waiting for someone to do something and MLB to quit treating the fucking Expos like a fuckiing farm club

Also nice to see the Yankees swept by the Angles and have lost 5 of their last 6 love it and I'd love to see the Red Sox get ahead of them since I have nothing left to cheer for it's hate the Yankees and cheer for a Red Sox-Cubs series.

[CrazyKillah]

BoSox...

6 in a row (7 after Pedro hands the Jays their asses tonight)
12 out of 15
leaders in the wildcard
now only 5.5 out (5 in the L column) in the the AL East

This is going to be one fucking intense stretch run...

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
BoSox...

6 in a row (7 after Pedro hands the Jays their asses tonight)
12 out of 15
leaders in the wildcard
now only 5.5 out (5 in the L column) in the the AL East

This is going to be one fucking intense stretch run...


You know its almost September when we start to get our hopes up.

[daddiefatsacks]

what a shit year for my jays....this has to be one of the worst seasons in the last 15 years

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
what a shit year for my jays....this has to be one of the worst seasons in the last 15 years

Jumped out to a nice start tonight...2-0 over Petey. Lilly is pitching pretty good right now.

[Haddonfield]

Chrust...6 K's in a row!

Im 31 days sober tomorrow and Im ready to crack open a beer!

:)

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
BoSox...

6 in a row (7 after Pedro hands the Jays their asses tonight)
12 out of 15
leaders in the wildcard
now only 5.5 out (5 in the L column) in the the AL East

This is going to be one fucking intense stretch run...
More like Pedro had his ass handed to him ;)

Yanks win, Sox lose. My favorite kind of day.

[daddiefatsacks]

wow man, Lilly pitched a hell of a game over Pedro

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
wow man, Lilly pitched a hell of a game over Pedro
Lillys been pitching great this year...his record doesn't show it though, I think he's 9-8 or 9-7. Shame he's pitching for a team that's doing so badly.

[chilli pepper]

Yanks are getting outta this soon. Fuck the Sox.

You know what duder, I agree with you . While i'll never be a fan of the yanks i'm ready willing and able to give em' some support when they're facing off agianst the closest contenders to my twins' thrown. At the end of the day BOOOOO RED SOX.GO TWINS.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
More like Pedro had his ass handed to him ;)

Yanks win, Sox lose. My favorite kind of day. Pedro hardly had his ass handed to him... what did he give up... 4 hits? He struck out 10 and retired the last 14 batters that he faced. The Yanks would pray for a starter that is as good on their best day as Pedro is on an off day. However, as much as I love the Sox, I've gotta give props to Lilly for a masterful pitching performance against MLB's highest scoring team. Back to the Yank-mes. I still say that the Sox are the one team Ny does NOT wanna go up against in October. The series IS 8-5 Sox, right? Quantrill and Gordon have been futile against them this year and they've touched Mo up twice as well (although only one time did they win the game). Do the Yanks have a starter that has shut them down yet this year? Nah. Granted, the Sox haven't faced El Douchebag yet and he has been great since he's returned - credit where credit is due.

[jackson13]

Man, the Cubs are SPANKING the Brewers tonight.


They are on lately.


Playoffs here we come!!

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Pedro hardly had his ass handed to him... what did he give up... 4 hits? He struck out 10 and retired the last 14 batters that he faced. The Yanks would pray for a starter that is as good on their best day as Pedro is on an off day. However, as much as I love the Sox, I've gotta give props to Lilly for a masterful pitching performance against MLB's highest scoring team. Back to the Yank-mes. I still say that the Sox are the one team Ny does NOT wanna go up against in October. The series IS 8-5 Sox, right? Quantrill and Gordon have been futile against them this year and they've touched Mo up twice as well (although only one time did they win the game). Do the Yanks have a starter that has shut them down yet this year? Nah. Granted, the Sox haven't faced El Douchebag yet and he has been great since he's returned - credit where credit is due.
Pedro is a great pitcher, and I would love to see him on the Yankees...though I'm not fond of the way he handles some situations on the field. He's kind of a bad sport in many ways. However, you are always right that the Red Sox are the time that would probably give us the most trouble in the postseason. I'm not scared for the Yanks to play them...but it would definitly be much like last year, a close series (Lets hope it ends like last year too! :D). Sox and Yanks games are too close for my heart. I almost died during the July 1st game this year (13 inning Yanks win at the stadium: Derk dove in the stands, Flaherty hit game winning double..) But all in all, I didn't mean any real disrespect to Pedro the guy is awesome, he was simply outpitched by Lilly.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Pedro is a great pitcher, and I would love to see him on the Yankees...though I'm not fond of the way he handles some situations on the field. He's kind of a bad sport in many ways. However, you are always right that the Red Sox are the time that would probably give us the most trouble in the postseason. I'm not scared for the Yanks to play them...but it would definitly be much like last year, a close series (Lets hope it ends like last year too! :D). Sox and Yanks games are too close for my heart. I almost died during the July 1st game this year (13 inning Yanks win at the stadium: Derk dove in the stands, Flaherty hit game winning double..) But all in all, I didn't mean any real disrespect to Pedro the guy is awesome, he was simply outpitched by Lilly.

Petey, or "The Diva" as we called him for a few months is one big pain in the ass. The guy has called out Boston Mgt too many times in the form of "respect"....Yet this is his first season in what, the last 3? that he has been healthy (and his era is a run and a half higher than before) I love the guy and he is the BEST pitcher I have ever seen in my lifetime but the guy has an ego the size of Texas. That said, he pitched well but Lilly pitched a career game. And I too hope for a BoSox/Yanks divisional series again...Its THE best sports has to offer in terms of meaning and drama...hell, New England almost closed down the day after Wakefield served up that HR. I still think that the Yanks dont have the starting pitching that they need but have been able to bash the ball and after a tough start Jeter is playing fantastic.

Im not sure what was up Boston's ass for three months of .500 baseball but its on now.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Its THE best sports has to offer in terms of meaning and drama...


Im sorry, but you cant say that any more without including the Cubs/Cards rivalry. Those 2 teams cannot play each other without fighting. I think we may hate even other more than you Yanks/Beantowners do. Its gotten that bad. I personally hate the Cardinals more than any other team in any sport, and when my beloved Cubbies play them, Im tuned in, because I know that those St. Louis bastards are gonna start shit like they always do (beaning batters, accusing the Cubs of lip reading.....basically anything) and that its gonna be a damn entertaining game/series. I think it would be a baseball fans HEAVEN to have the NLCS come down to Cubs/Cards and the ALCS Yanks/Reds. Although that'll never happen.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by jackson13
Im sorry, but you cant say that any more without including the Cubs/Cards rivalry. Those 2 teams cannot play each other without fighting. I think we may hate even other more than you Yanks/Beantowners do. Its gotten that bad. I personally hate the Cardinals more than any other team in any sport, and when my beloved Cubbies play them, Im tuned in, because I know that those St. Louis bastards are gonna start shit like they always do (beaning batters, accusing the Cubs of lip reading.....basically anything) and that its gonna be a damn entertaining game/series. I think it would be a baseball fans HEAVEN to have the NLCS come down to Cubs/Cards and the ALCS Yanks/Reds. Although that'll never happen.
Babe
Bucky
Buckner
Boone

There's just so much history in the Yankees rivalry (Buckner isn't in it, but it makes it sound good)...the Cubs and Cards is okay, but it's childs play compared to Yanks/BoSox.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by jackson13
Im sorry, but you cant say that any more without including the Cubs/Cards rivalry. Those 2 teams cannot play each other without fighting. I think we may hate even other more than you Yanks/Beantowners do. Its gotten that bad. I personally hate the Cardinals more than any other team in any sport, and when my beloved Cubbies play them, Im tuned in, because I know that those St. Louis bastards are gonna start shit like they always do (beaning batters, accusing the Cubs of lip reading.....basically anything) and that its gonna be a damn entertaining game/series. I think it would be a baseball fans HEAVEN to have the NLCS come down to Cubs/Cards and the ALCS Yanks/Reds. Although that'll never happen.
Great to see you giving the Yankees credit where it is due, I gave the Sox, you gave back. That is appreciated.

And thank you for agreeing about Pedro...I mean it's really just out there the things he says. Remember what he said about BABE RUTH!?

"Bring him up to the plate I'll beam that fatass right in the head."

Pedro...use your fucking head. You cannot say that. Next day he was injured and put on the DL. Pedro needs to start thinking before he speaks.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Great to see you giving the Yankees credit where it is due, I gave the Sox, you gave back. That is appreciated.

And thank you for agreeing about Pedro...I mean it's really just out there the things he says. Remember what he said about BABE RUTH!?

"Bring him up to the plate I'll beam that fatass right in the head."

Pedro...use your fucking head. You cannot say that. Next day he was injured and put on the DL. Pedro needs to start thinking before he speaks.

To be exact Pedro said to wake up the Bambino and he will drill him in the ass.

And it doesnt get any better than the Zimmer/Pedro throw down last year.

Pedro is the best pitcher of our generation and he deserves that title but he does have a complex, which I guess is needed to perform as well as he does...hell, all the great pitchers in history threw inside and had to be confidant.

Im just praying for a game 7 vs the fn Yanks.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by jackson13
Im sorry, but you cant say that any more without including the Cubs/Cards rivalry. Those 2 teams cannot play each other without fighting. I think we may hate even other more than you Yanks/Beantowners do. Its gotten that bad. I personally hate the Cardinals more than any other team in any sport, and when my beloved Cubbies play them, Im tuned in, because I know that those St. Louis bastards are gonna start shit like they always do (beaning batters, accusing the Cubs of lip reading.....basically anything) and that its gonna be a damn entertaining game/series. I think it would be a baseball fans HEAVEN to have the NLCS come down to Cubs/Cards and the ALCS Yanks/Reds. Although that'll never happen.

Yes the Cubs/Cards has grown into a nice bitter slapfest...much in the vein of the old Avs/Wings throw down...but, it does not have 80 plus years of history behind it. Its certainly good drama and always good baseball but Boston Red Sox vs New York Yankees is the end all be all of bitter and all things rivalry.

They arent the Evil Empire for nothing :)

[ChemicalRomance]

Hahaha did anyone else watch the Yankees/Indians game tonight?

There was a squirell on the field, and it hung around ALL game! And they just kept playing...then at one point he was in centerfield and he was eating a peanut! After the peanut he was lying down! It was great haha.

[CrazyKillah]

And so it continues... the BoSox winning ways, that is. Nine out of ten (albeit against non-playoff-caliber clubs) have got the Sox headed in the right direction. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bronson Arroyo has been this club's most consistent starter this season. He may not have the win-loss record to prove it, but he also gets the least run support of any of their starting five. With the Angels idle, the Sox take a slim 1/2 game lead in the wild card (Anaheim 1 back in the loss column). It seems that all the wildcard hopefuls, in the AL, got hot at the same time. Those head-to-head matchups coming up next week are bound to be intense.

[horrorfreak13]

Well the Blue Jays salvaged a win thank god none of the Blue Jays position players pitched yesterday but the ceremony for Tom Cheek 4306 straight games called ever since the team started in 1977 and it was nice for the Blue Jays to recognize that also it was nice seeing guys like Cito Gaston, Cecil Feilder and George Bell around on the weekend.

4.5 games back of the Yankees now the Yankees better watch it because Texas, Oakland, and Anaheim have mostly each other to play and if all of them and the red Sox keep winning and the Yankees keep struggling they will be in big trouble.

[ChemicalRomance]

Alright Red Sox fans, you want to hear me say it?

It's getting too close.

GO YANKEES.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Alright Red Sox fans, you want to hear me say it?

It's getting too close.

GO YANKEES. Thank you, kind Schmoe, you've made my day ;) In all honesty, I still see the Yanks winning the division, the Sox taking the Wild Card by a smidgeon o'er the Angels... setting up the Ultimate MLB Deathmatch, probably in the ALCS!

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Thank you, kind Schmoe, you've made my day ;) In all honesty, I still see the Yanks winning the division, the Sox taking the Wild Card by a smidgeon o'er the Angels... setting up the Ultimate MLB Deathmatch, probably in the ALCS!
Hahah I'm glad I made your day, but I do agree with your prediction I must say.

[Haddonfield]

It's too wide open for me to say how this AL post season is going to look. This week will be huge for the Sox, Angles, and Rangers. Tonight is big with Schilling on the mound becuase a win tonight and we could still lose the nest two games but still be ahead of the Angels...and with 6 still to go vs the Yanks I just cant wait to see how this ll plays out. Hell, for all I know Oakland could miss the playoffs, the Angles could get the wild card and Texas could win that division.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
It's too wide open for me to say how this AL post season is going to look. This week will be huge for the Sox, Angles, and Rangers. Tonight is big with Schilling on the mound becuase a win tonight and we could still lose the nest two games but still be ahead of the Angels...and with 6 still to go vs the Yanks I just cant wait to see how this ll plays out. Hell, for all I know Oakland could miss the playoffs, the Angles could get the wild card and Texas could win that division.
For the Yankees v. Sox at the stadium, I have back to back games with my dad with seats 5 rows behind home plate. It's going to be INTENSE.

[horrorfreak13]

The Yankees do get a great oportunity they are only 6 games up on the Angels and 4.5 up on the Red Sox since the Red Sox play the Angels the Yankees can take advantage of that but if the pitching keeps failing the Yankees they could be in trouble.

Of course the Red Sox and Yankees get the advantage by having easier schedules compared to Texas, Oakland and Anaheim who will all play each other somewhere around 17 times by the end of the year.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
The Yankees do get a great oportunity they are only 6 games up on the Angels and 4.5 up on the Red Sox since the Red Sox play the Angels the Yankees can take advantage of that but if the pitching keeps failing the Yankees they could be in trouble.

Of course the Red Sox and Yankees get the advantage by having easier schedules compared to Texas, Oakland and Anaheim who will all play each other somewhere around 17 times by the end of the year.

Good points.

One big reason the Sox got back into the divisonal race was because the Angels swept the Yanks while the Sox swept Toronto.

[Haddonfield]

4-0 Sox after 1...cool!

:cool:

[jackson13]

Can someone confirm if this is a misprint?

I just checked FSN Chicago to see if the Cubs won (they lost 8-0) but the ticker at the bottom said this:

Cleveland 22
Yankees 0
Bottom 9th.


Now, did they mean 2-0? Or 12-0? Or what?


If its really 22-0, thats fuckin hilarious!


Edit: Nevermind, ESPN2 just confirmed it. Yankees lost 22-0! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by jackson13
Can someone confirm if this is a misprint?

I just checked FSN Chicago to see if the Cubs won (they lost 8-0) but the ticker at the bottom said this:

Cleveland 22
Yankees 0
Bottom 9th.


Now, did they mean 2-0? Or 12-0? Or what?


If its really 22-0, thats fuckin hilarious!


Edit: Nevermind, ESPN2 just confirmed it. Yankees lost 22-0! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

::sigh::

As a Yankee fan I can't say I've ever been this ashamed.

Fuck Esteban Loaiza, he's given up on the Yankees. He wasn't even trying tonight.

[Haddonfield]

Well, just be glad it was a regular season game.

3 games back in the L

Im loving this.

But I get a feeling that this blowout may speark the Yanks out of there funk, who knows.

[horrorfreak13]

22-0 man that's fucking hilarious watching Estaban Loazia and the Yakees pitchers blow it like that the Yankees are lucky that the Red Sox are playing Anaheim so both team can't gain on the Yankees but man I said their pitching would suck and it has the Yankees have starting pitching problems, middle relief problems, and duribility problems becuase in a short series with a team with 2 or 3 very good pitchers they are toast.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Well, just be glad it was a regular season game.

3 games back in the L

Im loving this.

But I get a feeling that this blowout may speark the Yanks out of there funk, who knows.

Funny you say that, becuase...last year when the Yankees were no hit by 3-4 pitchers by the Astros...the Yankees went on a huge streak. It lit the fire under their ass, they were embarassed, and they went on a winning rampage.


Originally posted by horrorfreak13
22-0 man that's fucking hilarious watching Estaban Loazia and the Yakees pitchers blow it like that the Yankees are lucky that the Red Sox are playing Anaheim so both team can't gain on the Yankees but man I said their pitching would suck and it has the Yankees have starting pitching problems, middle relief problems, and duribility problems becuase in a short series with a team with 2 or 3 very good pitchers they are toast.

Just remember who's up, and who's behind. The Yankees pitching will get a rest, 3/4 of the rest of their games are against below .500 teams.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
4-0 Sox after 1...cool!

:cool:



wow, I get to quote myself for the second game of this series.

:cool:

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
wow, I get to quote myself for the second game of this series.

:cool:
Hahahaha I was just about to say that.

The Angels have gotta pick it up! ::screams::

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Hahahaha I was just about to say that.

The Angels have gotta pick it up! ::screams::


well, they did...5-5 now.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
well, they did...5-5 now.
Yeah I saw that, 5-5 in the third.

...

Just heard it on TV, it's now 7-5 in the 4th, Red Sox.

GO ANGELS :(

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Yeah I saw that, 5-5 in the third.

...

Just heard it on TV, it's now 7-5 in the 4th, Red Sox.

GO ANGELS :(


9-5 now :)

but the Yanks are winning.

[CrazyKillah]

The Sox are playing so INSANE ball right now. Sure, the majority of their wins on their streak weren't against playoff-caliber teams, but the last two Ws have come at the expense of the mighty Angels. An improved Derek Lowe goes tonight for the good-guys and he'll need his A-game - the Angels can flat-out hit (their starting pitching, much like the Yanks', is suspect, though. Orlando Hernandez is shaping up to be a Game 1 starter for NY - who would have thought that, especially on a team that sports The Moose and Kevin Brown. I can't wait till the Sox and Yanks meet up in mid-September.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
The Sox are playing so INSANE ball right now. Sure, the majority of their wins on their streak weren't against playoff-caliber teams, but the last two Ws have come at the expense of the mighty Angels. An improved Derek Lowe goes tonight for the good-guys and he'll need his A-game - the Angels can flat-out hit (their starting pitching, much like the Yanks', is suspect, though. Orlando Hernandez is shaping up to be a Game 1 starter for NY - who would have thought that, especially on a team that sports The Moose and Kevin Brown. I can't wait till the Sox and Yanks meet up in mid-September.

Insane is a good word to use with these guys right now. I thought Bronson would snag a bit last night because the nerves would get to him, and they to a little bit, he needs more big games under his belt. The Sox now have 5 guys hitting .290 or better after a long time with just Manny and David leading the charge. and it looks like Damon is loving his contract year because he could be having the best season for a leadoff guy in the AL. Add in Jason and Millar staying on fire and ALL of the new guys fitting right in...Insane works for me.

Now what the hell are they gonna do when Trot and Pokey get back? Talk about a DEEP DEEP bench. If the news about Williamson is correct and he doesnt need surgury and could be back soon himself, then that means we get that one arm in the pen we needed back since he gor hurt in the first place.

ahhh, Dont ya love it when they raise your hopes???

[CrazyKillah]

I think that it's A-OK for us to get our hopes up. These guys are playing like a team POSSESSED. They just swept the Angels and are now 4.5 games up in the wild card. Hold on to your asses, Yankees!

[horrorfreak13]

Well the Angels have just taken a shit kicking for 3 games and it pretty much looks like Anaheim is better off going for the division but Oakland gained big time on them and Texas but now it's just the Yankees and Red Sox since it did come close to the Angles catching the Yankees but that won't happen now nor did I think it was going to happen.

Like I said I'd be surprised if the Yankees and Red Sox don't make it based on their schedules and the schedules of Anaheim, Oakland, and Texas.

[Haddonfield]

Pedro pitches seven 4 hit shutout innings while Kevin Brown breaks his hand punching a wall.

I love it.

2 1/2 back, 10 in a row.....and 22-4 in the last 26 games.

:rolleyes: :D

[ChemicalRomance]

Now, someone please...just remind me...


WHAT THE FUCK WAS KEVIN BROWN THINKING?

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Now, someone please...just remind me...


WHAT THE FUCK WAS KEVIN BROWN THINKING?


He was wondering how to give NY a way to opt out of his 15 million next season.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
He was wondering how to give NY a way to opt out of his 15 million next season. HA! And I think that he may have just found it! What a dumbass! This guys has always been known as being kind of a hothead, though, right? So, the slumping Yanks now lose their second past starter (the resurrected El Douchebag is undoubtedly their ace). It wouldn't surprise me if we hear a nasty soundbite from the Boss.

[ChemicalRomance]

Red Sox lose...

Finally.

[Haddonfield]

Another Oakland/Sox game and more contraversy. Are the Sox getting all the breaks right now or what? Oakland certainly was right for being upset but Ill take it. Ortiz was the man again last night. These late night games are tough!!!

Nice to see the Yanks have compasion and try to pry a game out of the season. Cant say I blame them for trying but come on, stuck in FLA because of the massive hurricane and they want an automatic win? Guess they feel them Bo Sox breathing down their backsides now.

[CrazyKillah]

They feel the Sox breathing down their necks AND they know they don't have the pitching to do anything about it. Mark my words, this NY team is DOOMED. They may very well make the playoffs, hell... they may very well win the division, but they're going NOWHERE after that.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Nice to see the Yanks have compasion and try to pry a game out of the season. Cant say I blame them for trying but come on, stuck in FLA because of the massive hurricane and they want an automatic win? Guess they feel them Bo Sox breathing down their backsides now.

Well Boo hoo I'm supposed to feel bad for the Yankees they are in Florida and they want an automatic win please they must feel worried

The Yankees have a couple big series with the Yankees this wekend and next weekend and it could end up beign the Red Sox taking all 3 the way they are playing right now.

Oh yeah Kevin Brown man are you ever stupid to punch a wall god who does this leave Javier Vasquez the ace now I don't see the Yankees going anywhere in the playoffs.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Oh yeah Kevin Brown man are you ever stupid to punch a wall god who does this leave Javier Vasquez the ace now I don't see the Yankees going anywhere in the playoffs.

To be fair, El "im really 75 years old" que is there ace right now and has been pitching fantastic. It does seem like the Yanks have turned it up a notch but then again any elite team looks good playing against Tampa Bay.

Torre moving the starting line up seems to have worked for a few games, but what happens when they have to pitch against players other than September call ups? Which is why the Red Sox are that more impressive...

3 in a row vs the Angels
2 out of 3 vs the Rangers
2 in a row vs Oakland

That makes the Sox 7-1 in eight STRAIT games vs teams in the playoff hunt. With Pedro going tonight it looks good.

[CrazyKillah]

And how about tonight's pitching match-up... Pedro vs Tim Hudson. This ought to be a great duel, though the Sox did touch him up pretty well in their first meeting (albeit, he was playing hurt, the warrior that he is). If you're a Sox fan, you've GOT to like what you've seen out of this bunch for the past month plus.

[horrorfreak13]

Another win and a blowout by the Red Sox and this is why I think they will overtake the Yankees and should go far the Yankees are a brutal mess right now and Red Sox they are beating the good teams and that AL West is probably the toughest division right now I'm sure Oakland would like to thank the Blue Jays for beating Anaheim 1-0 to keep their slim lead in the AL West to 1.5 which could have been 0.5 if Anaheim could have solved Justin Miller that and that NL Wild Card race is very close the Astros are back in it and they were left for dead back at the all-star break.

[Haddonfield]

The Stros certainly are back and playing great baseball. Im rooting for them in the NL to get lucky and make some waves.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
The Stros certainly are back and playing great baseball. Im rooting for them in the NL to get lucky and make some waves. Just imagine if this team had Andy Pettite back... seriously, though, I wouldn't mind seeing a Stros/Sox Series.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Just imagine if this team had Andy Pettite back... seriously, though, I wouldn't mind seeing a Stros/Sox Series.


That would be nice, if onley because that means we get to the big dance and we would crush the hell out of them! :)

Im still a fan of Jimy Williams and Im glad he is having sucess down there.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Just imagine if this team had Andy Pettite back... seriously, though, I wouldn't mind seeing a Stros/Sox Series.
It would be great seeing Andy Pettite back on the Yankees dammit! :D

[CrazyKillah]

Wouldn't ya know it? The BoSox pound their way thru the AL West's three playoff-caliber teams and then get beat in the opener by the lowly Mariners. For some reason, they're having a real hard time against this team this year. Hopefully Schilling can get them back on track tonight (they haven't lost back-to-back games in what seems like an eternity).

[Haddonfield]

ake has been hurting us for a little while now. Seems like he is on one of his down turns. He lost us that Rangers game now this one.

But regardless you cant win every game and I know we will get another W with Curt on the hill tonight.

[ChemicalRomance]

Yankees v. Orioles is a mess...Yanks are down...get close...then the O's score more haha.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Yankees v. Orioles is a mess...Yanks are down...get close...then the O's score more haha.

As we both get fat on the weak teams, we only have days left until the real battle begins. Enjoy first place for now and thank us later that we buried the Angels in the WC.

:D

[CrazyKillah]

Why have the Sox struggled with the Ms so bad this year? Oh well. The season series is over... time to move on.

Is it just me or does it seem like the Yanks have been playing shit teams for several weeks now (I know, it's probably just because I'm a Sox fan ;) ).

The way I see it, the Yanks will kick KC's ass tonight, putting them 4 whole games up on mighty Boston. The Sox will then sweep the D-Rays, leading to them going into the weekend series 3.5 games back (Yanks are idle on Thursday), once again. My super bold prediction... Sox take 2 out three in the Bronx AND 2 out 3 at the Fens (a straight sweep if the Yanks don't have El Douchebag working in that series).

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
As we both get fat on the weak teams, we only have days left until the real battle begins. Enjoy first place for now and thank us later that we buried the Angels in the WC.

:D

:D


Man, I SOOO can't wait for the Yanks/Sox series coming up. I'm getting good vibes.




GO SOX!

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
:D


Man, I SOOO can't wait for the Yanks/Sox series coming up. I'm getting good vibes.




GO SOX!

Who's got his dads buisness seats for Yanks vs. Sox at the stadium?

ME.

Where are the seats?

4 rows behind home plate!

OHH YEAHHHH.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Who's got his dads buisness seats for Yanks vs. Sox at the stadium?

ME.

Where are the seats?

4 rows behind home plate!

OHH YEAHHHH. That is pretty sweet, my Yankee-loving Schmoe, but it just means that you'll be that much closer to the Sox's steam-rolling of the Bronx Bombers :D . Ah, this is going to be a fun couple of weeks. Oh yeah, the Yanks just got pounded by KC... yup, that KC:p

[horrorfreak13]

Funny to see that the Yankees got killed by KC.

Oh by the way I've found a bigger idiot than Kevin Brown and it's Frank Francisco the Texas reliever throws a fucking chair in the crowd and 2 people are left bleeding there is no excuse for that at all he should be banned for an entire year for crap like that in fact he's been cgarged with aggrivated assult.

When he gets suspended I am begging him to actually take his damn suspension and don't do what every other fucking person does and appeal it.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
That is pretty sweet, my Yankee-loving Schmoe, but it just means that you'll be that much closer to the Sox's steam-rolling of the Bronx Bombers :D . Ah, this is going to be a fun couple of weeks. Oh yeah, the Yanks just got pounded by KC... yup, that KC:p
I'm telling you dude..I have fucking heart attacks watching Yankees v. Red Sox at home (JULY 1st!!!) I can't even imagine how insane it's going to be actually being there.

FUCK KC :(

[Indiana Sev]

GO RED SOX!!!!

[ChemicalRomance]

I'm a die hard Yankee fan..

But to the Red Sox: you do deserve a win tongiht. The Yankees fell apart. Mariano always fucks up against the Sox and Damon's "single" was very catchable.

Oh well.

I'll be at that game tommorow! Right behind home plate! Go Yankees!

[RicochetShaw]

BOOYAH!

SOX WIN BABY.




Man, that catch Manny made was amazing. I LOVED how the hitter circled the bases because he thought he had the homer, but Manny just stood there with a smirk, and the hitter didn't even know till he reached home. LOL

Manny for President in '04.


GO SOX!!!!!!

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
BOOYAH!

SOX WIN BABY.




Man, that catch Manny made was amazing. I LOVED how the hitter circled the bases because he thought he had the homer, but Manny just stood there with a smirk, and the hitter didn't even know till he reached home. LOL

Manny for President in '04.


GO SOX!!!!!!
Miguel Cairo.

[Haddonfield]

Not looking good now. 5-0 down already.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Not looking good now. 5-0 down already.

Yikes! It's 8-0 now. Quick, somebody go kick Don Zimmer's ass.

I'm serious.

[RicochetShaw]

LOL Sev.


Shilacked. Ouch.


Boy I hope they win tomorrow, then remain steady the rest of the week, and surpass the Yanks in Fenway next week.:cool:

[ChemicalRomance]

I was there today, Sox got fucking owned WOOOOOO.

FUnny thing:

I was at the game today, a few rows behind home plate and I zoomed in and snapped this picture:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/SSHS0405/September%2018th%20SATURDAY/176_7640.jpg



Right after the flash went off for this picture I heard a loud crack...David Ortiz had hit a home run and broken up the no hitter.

I find that to be isane!

[bob]

Man, the Sox just lost again, 11-1. Pedro gave up 8, and Mussina was solid.

Homers by Sheffield, Rodriguez, Jeter, and Posada. Is there anyone in that lineup that can't hit one?

Yes. Kenny Lofton.

I'm an odd guy, because the only team I like better than the Red Sox in the entire league is the Yankees, so I'm only happy when the Red Sox lose to the Yankees. Otherwise, I always want them to win.

[ChemicalRomance]

SOMEBODY PUT PAUL REVERE ON SPEED DIAL, WE'VE HAD BACK TO BACK BOSTON MASSACRES!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
SOMEBODY PUT PAUL REVERE ON SPEED DIAL, WE'VE HAD BACK TO BACK BOSTON MASSACRES!


lol, that was good.

Brag now because it will be my turn in a few days. :)

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
lol, that was good.

Brag now because it will be my turn in a few days. :)
We shall see my friend.

[ChemicalRomance]

NEW YORK -- There are a lot of reasons that the Yankees are the Yankees and the Red Sox are not. It begins at the top with The Boss, who spends the money and sets the tone for a franchise that sees first place as the only place, and losing it as high treason.

The Yankees shell out for the talent, whenever the urges strike, and land players like Mike Mussina, the right-hander who so brilliantly shut down the Sox in the coda to a three-game showdown series Sunday. Mussina went seven innings and allowed just a run in an 11-1 Yankees win over the Sox, who strutted into the Bronx with thoughts of the American League East title and left, again, muttering under their breaths.

The Yankees pony up for guys like Gary Sheffield, too, who is looking more and more like the AL MVP, and third baseman Alex Rodriguez. Sheffield started things Sunday with a two-run homer off Pedro Martinez in the first inning and Rodriguez, last year's MVP while with the Rangers, ended them with a two-run blast in the eighth.

But the Yankees are not the only team in the majors with a big checkbook. The Red Sox spend, too, you know. They get their fair share of hired talent. To say that the Yankees win by simply spending their way to pennants -- this will be their seventh straight AL East title, the way things look now -- is something only a Yankees hater would say.

The Yankees win, more than anything else, because they know how to win. It's something the Sox still have to learn.

Which brings us to Derek Jeter.

"Jeter," said Sheffield, "is our catalyst. Where he goes, we go."

It's hard to quantify exactly what Jeter, a Yankees original, brings to his team. Sunday, he crunched a solo home run off of Martinez in the third. Earlier that inning, he made a twisting, back-to-the-infield grab of a popup in the swirling Stadium winds to rob Johnny Damon of a hit. In the fifth, he did something similar with a basket catch of a Manny Ramirez fly ball.

And in the sixth, with Mike Timlin in for Martinez, he took advantage of a sleeping Sox defense -- and, maybe, a too-trusting one -- by dropping a bunt down the third base line for a base hit.

The Yankees, remember, had walloped the Sox 14-4 on Saturday afternoon. With a 7-1 lead in the sixth inning Sunday, bunting to get on base looked a little like piling on. Maybe especially so to Red Sox fans. Maybe so to the Sox, too, who hit Rodriguez with a pitch after Jeter's bunt.

But that's Jeter, and no one would have him play any other way.

"I have no hesitation at all about trying to continue to score runs there," said manager Joe Torre.

"It was the sixth inning," said Jeter, who was seen jawing with Timlin -- Jeter said it was playfully -- after the bunt. "No lead is safe against that lineup."

Nothing on the field is ever a given for Jeter. He began this season in a horrible slump, going 0-for-32 at one point and hitting just .172 in April. Critics were saying he'd never be able to get back to being himself.

After a 3-for-5 game Sunday, he's hitting .417 this month and .303 since the All-Star break. Overall, he's hitting .290 with 22 homers and 74 RBIs. Since that slow start, he may be playing the best baseball of his career.

Jeter is the Yankees' captain, the unquestioned front man on a team that won't allow itself to finish second.

"It's not something he hits you over the head with: 'I'm in charge here,'" said first baseman John Olerud, a Yankee pickup at midseason. "But you can see, I think, he's very comfortable in his role. And everybody knows it."

If not for a fluke of a ninth-inning comeback against closer Mariano Rivera on Friday night, the Yankees would have made a clean sweep of this series. Boston had gone 9-0-1 in its last 10 series.

Saturday and Sunday marked the first time the Sox had dropped back-to-back games since early August, too. And in three games against the Yankees, the Red Sox scored a wimpy eight runs. The Sox had averaged more than seven runs a game in their previous 10.

If you're wondering how in the heck that happened, how the best Red Sox team to roll into Yankee Stadium in a decade came into the weekend 3 ½ games behind the Yanks and left 4 ½ games back, there are a lot of reasons. And, sure, the high-priced free agents are one of them.

But there's another big one, too. He wears No. 2.


John Donovan is a senior writer for SI.com.

[jackson13]

Stupid Cubs.

Gain the wild-card lead today over the Giants then turn right around and lose it (they spilt a doubleheader with Florida)..

What the hell? You know all of your fans want you in the playoffs and in the world series, get your shit together and start winning and keeping winning. Stop getting so close and then blowing it like the Cubs of old. I'm a die-hard, but im getting a little pissed off.

[horrorfreak13]

Well the Blue Jays take 2 out of 3 from the Yankees and hand El Duque his first loss of the season and BTW Red Sox fans your welcome in advance.

It appears it's now just a 2 or 3 team race for the wild card since LA is losing their lead on San Fran the Cubs could very well benefit from this all they have to do is keep winning but man maybe that odd trade they made at the deadline is starting to come back to them.

Shawn Green taking a day off for Yom Kappur well I'm not going to touch this subject since it deals with religion.

[ChemicalRomance]

With the win today the Yankees clinch a playoff spot...

For the 10th year in a row.

Weee!

[ChemicalRomance]

Yankees- 6 Red Sox- 4


Pedro loses AGAIN.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Yankees- 6 Red Sox- 4


Pedro loses AGAIN. I'm dying to come up with something smartass to say in response, but... ah, fuck it, you're right. Tito still shouldn't have had him out there (didn't we learn this lesson last October?). The Yanks have pretty much owned the Sox these last couple of meetings. Thankfully, everyone goes back to zero once the playoffs begin. I just hope the Sox don't draw the Twins in the first round (they would if the season ended today) - they're an underrated team with a fucking nasty ace (their #2 guy, Radke, tain't too shabby neither).

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Tito still shouldn't have had him out there (didn't we learn this lesson last October?). .


Exactly what I was thinking. WHY did they keep Pedro in the 8th? WHY!? They have a one run lead, and a pitcher out there who's thrown 100+ pitches, why not just bring in the reliable (for the most part) bullpen to get 6 outs? Ugh.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Exactly what I was thinking. WHY did they keep Pedro in the 8th? WHY!? They have a one run lead, and a pitcher out there who's thrown 100+ pitches, why not just bring in the reliable (for the most part) bullpen to get 6 outs? Ugh.


Because he is the best pitcher of out generation...look up his stats, the guy is money...at the same time, he isnt what he was a few years ago and I dont think this game was as important as Game 7 but Pedro is the man.

[RicochetShaw]

I agree Pedro is the man, and the best pitcher of our generation, in fact I'm one of the few that thinks he's the greatest pitcher of all-time. But like you said, he's not what he used to be, especially in his endurance. And with such a vital game, such a close lead, and only 6 outs a way, I just don't see why they didn't bring out a fresh Embree instead of hanging a warn-out Pedro out to dry. Oh well.

[daddiefatsacks]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
the greatest pitcher of all-time.

that my friend is a BOLD statement, no pun intended

I don't even think he's top 10 of all time

[bob]

Well, if it's any consolation to fellow Boston fans, they did just work the Yankees in back-to-back games, 12-5 and 11-4.

But they're not going to win the AL East, so it's kind of moot.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
that my friend is a BOLD statement, no pun intended

I don't even think he's top 10 of all time


Ouch...well, look at his Red Sox numbers...The only thing he has going against him is his injuries but he is certainly in the top ten of all time. He is 182-75 in his career. That is a sick percentage.

He may have had the best two year run in 1999/2000 of any pitcher ever...but again, injuries didnt help anything.

Before this season he had 7 years in a row with an ERA under 2.39...including a SICK 1.74 in 2000. Thats insane concidering the "juiced" ball era...the guy could be the most talented pitcher ever, just a shame he wasnt built like The Rocket. Thankfully he was healthy this year but has been pitching differently. His era is up but he has 18 wins, how we forget.

Not top 10 of all time? I cant agree with that.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by bob
Well, if it's any consolation to fellow Boston fans, they did just work the Yankees in back-to-back games, 12-5 and 11-4.

But they're not going to win the AL East, so it's kind of moot.


Its moot as far as the standings go but it shows that these are two great teams at home....and that Curt is one hell of a pitcher.

Nice of Lofton to start shite with his flying elbow...shame he or Sheff didnt get a fastball in the head...bunch of punks!!!

:)

[daddiefatsacks]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Ouch...well, look at his Red Sox numbers...The only thing he has going against him is his injuries but he is certainly in the top ten of all time. He is 182-75 in his career. That is a sick percentage.

He may have had the best two year run in 1999/2000 of any pitcher ever...but again, injuries didnt help anything.

Before this season he had 7 years in a row with an ERA under 2.39...including a SICK 1.74 in 2000. Thats insane concidering the "juiced" ball era...the guy could be the most talented pitcher ever, just a shame he wasnt built like The Rocket. Thankfully he was healthy this year but has been pitching differently. His era is up but he has 18 wins, how we forget.

Not top 10 of all time? I cant agree with that.

He hasn't even reached 200 wins yet in his career, until he proves he can pitch into his 30's then i can say hes in the top 10, there are other burnouts who dominated but fizzled in their 30's...


Clemens, Maddux, Johnson havent fizzedl or shown signs at all that they are losing steam.

[RicochetShaw]

I know it's a very bold statement, but it's not without merit. I came to the conclusion when FOX aired his stats compared with Sandy Koufax's last year in a playoff game. Koufax is believed by many to be the greatest pitcher ever, despite having a shortened career and pitching only 176 (I think that's how many) games. They matched up Koufax's sats of his 176 games with Martinez's first 176, and Pedro blew him out of the water in just about every category.
Pedro may not have the longjevity of pitchers like Maddux, Ryan, and Johnson. But when it comes down to it, hypothetically, if I had to pick one pitcher in his prime to win a game - I'd pick Pedro, no question about it.

[daddiefatsacks]

of course you would, cause your a boston fan

[horrorfreak13]

Alright this Pedro is the best pitchers of all-time argument going on here and it's tough for me to judge because I only began watching the sport in 1991 there's no doubt that he is ont of the best of all-time I'm not sure if I would put him ahead of Clemens, Johnson, and Ryan since Nolan Ryan still had it somewhat in his 40s the same with Clemens and Johnson.

Don't forget Greg Maddux too he's won 15 games every year for 17 years and has I think 4 Cy Young awards.

[ChemicalRomance]

Pedro's a great pitcher...but I just want to know one answer...

WHO IS HIS DADDY!?

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20040925&content_id=870779&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp


That's right. We're not going to dissapear. You can bury yourself in the mound. AND WE ARE YOUR DADDY.

PEDRO MARTINEZ WILL BE ON THE NEW YORK YANKEES NEXT SEASON.

http://137.21.7.201/AngelUploads/Files/daus0121/vader2.gif

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
I know it's a very bold statement, but it's not without merit. I came to the conclusion when FOX aired his stats compared with Sandy Koufax's last year in a playoff game. Koufax is believed by many to be the greatest pitcher ever, despite having a shortened career and pitching only 176 (I think that's how many) games. They matched up Koufax's sats of his 176 games with Martinez's first 176, and Pedro blew him out of the water in just about every category.
Pedro may not have the longjevity of pitchers like Maddux, Ryan, and Johnson. But when it comes down to it, hypothetically, if I had to pick one pitcher in his prime to win a game - I'd pick Pedro, no question about it.

MADDUX is the best.

SEVENTEEN straight season with 15+ wins. In-fucking-sane.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance

PEDRO MARTINEZ WILL BE ON THE NEW YORK YANKEES NEXT SEASON.



Ive got 20 bucks and a half carton of Winston Ultra Lights that says nope, not going to happen. Mr. Diva will never pitch for the Yanks. Unlike The Rocket, there is a real sence of Hate between him and NY and Boston will offer a contract that will be to his liking. The ONLY senario I could see is George coughing up some sick 20 mill a year contract but even then I am not convinced he would sign.

As far as Pete's words about NY being his Daddy, well I was a bit shocked to see him say that because he doesnt usualy give a fuck about other teams but NY has a pretty solid history against him...of course, law of averages says his time is due...as are the Sox in general. Id still take Curt and Diva over the Moose and whoever any day...and lets not forget one of the greatest pitching performances ever back in 99 when he struck out 17 in the Bronx and just for a slight moment, even the Yank fans tipped there cap to him.

:)

[daddiefatsacks]

i would love to see Pedro in a Yankees uniform, so I can hate him even more.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
i would love to see Pedro in a Yankees uniform, so I can hate him even more.
Hahahhahahahahhaha, as if some people need more reason to hate the man.

[e_lateralus]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
i would love to see Pedro in a Yankees uniform, so I can hate him even more.

That would be the only thing to make me hate Pedro...other than that I think he's hilariious. How many other pitchers openly admit that they bean people who piss them off, or people attack, bean or attempt to bean his team mates? Plus the whole, "they are my daddies" comment was funny (and yes I hate the Yankees, I just found it funny).

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by e_lateralus
That would be the only thing to make me hate Pedro...other than that I think he's hilariious. How many other pitchers openly admit that they bean people who piss them off, or people attack, bean or attempt to bean his team mates? Plus the whole, "they are my daddies" comment was funny (and yes I hate the Yankees, I just found it funny).
Though a stupid STUPID comment, you have to admire a guy who can say:

"Go wake up the Bambino and I'll drill him in his ass."

He got injured the next day. THE CURSE LIVES ON.

[Haddonfield]

So Lowe didnt help himself with last nights game...the question now becomes...who starts in the playoffs? Arroyo or Lowe? Id vote for Arroyo but thats just me.

Doubleheader in the Bronx tonight and Im praying for a Twins sweep...just imagine, Yanks get swept, Sox win, and the lead becomes ONE with 4 games to go! :)

Come on Baseball Gods...make it happen please!

Now that the Angels are tied with Oakland however winning the division may not be that great...if Oakland was going tp happen then Im a happy guy since we own them but the Angels are just a SHADE more scary!

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Now that the Angels are tied with Oakland however winning the division may not be that great...if Oakland was going tp happen then Im a happy guy since we own them but the Angels are just a SHADE more scary!

You have to admit thought it takes guts for a team to suspend one of their top hitters Jose Guillen, you tell me if it's Ortiz or Ramirez does Boston suspend them for the season I don't think so the same with New York if it's Sheffield or Jeter or any other of their hitters. Either way that series between Anaheim and Oakland this weekend will become huge

Today there will be a news conference where MLB will announce the relocation of the Montreal Expos to Washington even thought it failed there twice.

This team needed to move it's a damn fucking shame what MLB did to this fucking team the last 10 years so they wonder why on 4,000 people show up at their home games because they don't feel like giving MLB their fucking money.

Ichiro is only 4 hits from breaking the record with 5 games left to this is probably something we may never see again this is a record that has stood for 84 years.

[daddiefatsacks]

haaha man, did anyone see that nutjob Milton Bradley give it a go last night with the fans in his OWN city

Man, that guy is a riot to watch sometimes.

[ChemicalRomance]

Big question:

WHATS BIGGER, SINGLE SEASON HITS RECORD, OR HOME RUNS?

I say hits. I just believe you have to be a lot more talented to be that consistent.

[daddiefatsacks]

they are both very hard to achieve, i still think Dimaggio's record of 58 games with a hit in a row is the toughest to beat.

Fuck man what a heartbreaker for the cubbies, 1 strike away from winning to losing in the 12th!!!

[daddiefatsacks]

and RIP Montreal Expos....LOL, Canada is taking a hit in sports lately

Only 1 team in the NBA, 1 team in MLB and no hockey going on and no Team in the NFL

give us some teams!!!

[jackson13]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
Fuck man what a heartbreaker for the cubbies, 1 strike away from winning to losing in the 12th!!!


Yup. Typical Cubs though. They gain the Wildcard lead, then say "we are gonna win the next 6 games and maintain our lead" and then they lose the next game and blow the one after that.


Figures.

[TheAxeGrinder]

An end to an era. The last out for the Montreal Expos in The Big O. While I never really followed the Expos over the years, I find it very heartbreaking that the Expos are no more.

RIP Les Glorieux

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
and RIP Montreal Expos....LOL, Canada is taking a hit in sports lately

Only 1 team in the NBA, 1 team in MLB and no hockey going on and no Team in the NFL

give us some teams!!!

The fact that we have now lost 4 professional franchises to the US is fucking unbelievable and Toronto is the only city or will be with more than 1 professional franchise.

At least thought the team can go somewhere where maybe now it won't be considered a fucking farm club which it has been the past 10 years.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
and RIP Montreal Expos....LOL, Canada is taking a hit in sports lately

Only 1 team in the NBA, 1 team in MLB and no hockey going on and no Team in the NFL

give us some teams!!!

Yeah, but the Toronto World Series is one I'll never forget. :)

And of course, the nation is very active in hockey.

I say give Canada its NFL team and let them have a stab at it. It would be fun!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by jeo4
I say give Canada its NFL team and let them have a stab at it. It would be fun!

I agree with that but have to ask, would that violate any CFL rule?

[ChemicalRomance]

:D :D :D :D :D

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/images/2004/09/30/CcCGSPi2.jpg

[Haddonfield]

The beauty of that above Yanks picture is that it cleary shows, or really doesnt show, whats going to destroy them...Starting Pitching.

But props to Godzilla for a great season.

[jackson13]

It's a dark day in Wrigleyville. Dark, dark, indeed.

[sharkstank]

my poor choking A's. *weeps*

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ChemicalRomance]

Adios!:

+A's
+Cubs

Wow, my god did they collapse!

[ChemicalRomance]

OUCH, goodbye Giants!

The playoff picture is here!


AL:

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Minessota Twins
Anaheim Angels

NL:

Houston Astros
Los Angeleas Dodgers
St. Louis Cardinals
Atlanta Braves


WOOO! Playoff time!

Does anyone realize how amazing what the Astros did is?

Down 14.5 games in August and left for dead by baseball fans and columnists everywhere...they win 12 straight and almost never lose to come all the way back and take the Wild Card...INSANE!!

[Indiana Sev]

See here for World Series thread:

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=83597