***OFFICIAL MLB 2004 SEASON THREAD***

[daddiefatsacks]

well the season starts in 3 hours, i just may stay up to watch it while most people will wake up to it.

live from Japan its Yanks vs Devil Rays


GO JAYS GO

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
GO JAYS GO

Go Puerto Rico/Montreal Expos!! :D

This is DEFINITELY their last year so let's hope they make it into the post-season and they aren't stopped on their charge by a lock-out or otherwise like in '94. :mad:

[daddiefatsacks]

welp the Devil Rays had their way with the Yankees as they trampled over them 8-3 in the first game of 2004

[horrorfreak13]

They are even showing the game on Sportsnet tonight at 7:00

Seen the highlights and yep that big powerful lineup really did something although it was 1 game but it's Tampa Bay a team that can't even get 70 Wins in a season.

[horrorfreak13]

Alright with this I feel like making some predicitons before the lame brain idiots at ESPN and other so called "experts" go and make their predictions.

W - Wild Card

AL EAST
1. Boston Red Sox
2. Toronto Blue Jays(W)
3. New York Yankees
4. Baltimore Orlioles
5. Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
1. Minnesota Twins
2. Kansas City Royals
3. Chicago White Sox
4. Cleveland Indians
5. Detroit Tigers

AL WEST
1. Anaheim Angels
2. Seattle Mariners
3. Oakland Athletics
4. Texas Rangers

NL EAST
1. Philadelphia Phillies
2. Florida Marlins(W)
3. Montreal Expos
4. Atlanta Braves
5. New York Mets

NL CENTRALl
1. Chicago Cubs
2. Houston Astros
3. St.Louis Cardinals
4. Cincinnati Reds
5. Pittsburgh Pirates
6. Milwakee Brewers

NL WEST
1. San Francisco Giants
2. Los Angeles Dodgers
3. Arizona Diamondbacks
4. Colorado Rockies
5. San Diego Padres

World Series - Boston Red Sox over Chicago Cubs

AL CY Young - Roy Halladay
NL Cy Young - Kerry Wood(was going to pick Mark Prior until his injury will keep him out all of April)

AL MVP - Carlos Delgado
NL MVP - Albert Pujols

Other Predictions
1. Sadly This will be The Expos Final season in Montreal
2. The Boston Red Sox will win the World Series before the Detoit Tigers make it out of last place in their division
3. The New York Mets will continue to suck
4. The Yankees will increase their payroll another $50 million once thier pitching staff falters
5. And Finally during one of Barry Bond's chats on his web site a journalist will disguise himself as a fan and ask him about steroids

There are my predictions and yes I put the Yankees 3rd in the AL East not because I hate them but because of their pitching staff which good pitching will always beat good hitting

[Haddonfield]

Alright!

The Red Sox have a half game lead on NY while only being a half game out of first!

:)

I kid, I kid

[daddiefatsacks]

AL EAST
1. Boston Red Sox
2. New York Yankees (W)
3. Toronto Blue Jays
4. Baltimore Orlioles
5. Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
1. Kansas City Royals
2. Minnesota Twins
3. Chicago White Sox
4. Detroit Tigers
5. Cleveland Indians

AL WEST
1. Anaheim Angels
2. Seattle Mariners
3. Oakland Athletics
4. Texas Rangers

NL EAST
1. Philadelphia Phillies
2. Florida Marlins
3. Atlanta Braves
4. New york Mets
5. Montreal Expos

NL CENTRALl
1. Chicago Cubs
2. Houston Astros (W)
3. St.Louis Cardinals
4. Cincinnati Reds
5. Pittsburgh Pirates
6. Milwakee Brewers

NL WEST
1. San Francisco Giants
2. Los Angeles Dodgers
3. Arizona Diamondbacks
4. Colorado Rockies
5. San Diego Padres

World Series - Kansas City over Chicago

AL CY Young - C.C. Sabathia
NL Cy Young - Josh Beckett
AL MVP - Vladimir Guerrero
NL MVP - Albert Pujols
AL ROY - Josh Mauer
NL ROY - Kazuo Matsui

[Haddonfield]

AL Division Leaders

Red Sox
Twins
Angles

AL Wild Card

Yanks

NL Division Leaders

Phills
Cubs
Dogers

NL Wild Card

Astros (very close to the Cubs)

World Series

Red Sox over Philly

AL Cy Young - Curt Schilling
NL Cy Young - Kerry Wood
AL MVP - Manny Rameriez
NL MVP - Jim Thome

[daddiefatsacks]

i really don't think Schilling is gonna cut it in the AL...don't get me wrong he'll be above average, but I think Lowe will pitch better than Him

damn Haddonfield, its a boston sweep eh? sure u dont want to give the rookie of the year to someone there

[jackson13]

2004 = CUBS.


Plain and simple.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
i really don't think Schilling is gonna cut it in the AL...don't get me wrong he'll be above average, but I think Lowe will pitch better than Him

damn Haddonfield, its a boston sweep eh? sure u dont want to give the rookie of the year to someone there


nah, Ive got my rose coloured glasses on so far. Im seeing big things from the Red Sox. Every year is different but they were possible one bone headed managerial decision away from the Series last year, didnt lose anything but added a number one starter and a fantastic closer. In addition, Lowe is a season removed from his cancer surgury and has an excellent 2nd baseman to scoope up his ground balls. In addition, it seems like Ortiz may have gained a step from his excellent play last year. Plus half the team up in there contract year, so that motivation should go a long way. Ill recind my Manny for MVP call because it will to tough to pick an MVP from this team...ill give it to Delgado.

While I cheer for and love my Bruins more, This Sox team has the best team in the game. Its a very long season...with injuries, trades, who knows what will happen.

[bmain77]

AL East-Yankees
AL Central-Royals (followed by the TIgers not too far behind :p
AL West- Athletics (want to pick Mariners too but I like the A's mojo too much)
Wildcard-Red Sox

NL East-Phillies
NL Central-Astros (sorry Jackson13)
NL West-Padres (Dodgers still no offense or enough pitching anymore and the Diamondbacks are officialy finished)
Wildcard- Cubs

AL MVP- Demitri Young or A-Rod
AL Cy Young- Mike Maroth or Barry Zito
AL ROY-Mauer (actually no Tiger rookies appear to be getting any PT this year)

NL MVP- Berkman
NL Cy Young- Clemons (no I;m not on crack)
NL Roy- have no clue but will probably be the Matshui for the Mets

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE TIGERS RECORD WILL BE 75-87

[docholiday_13]

I think Josh Phelps will have a big year for the Blue Jays.

J.P has said he would like to see the kid get about 500 at bats this season. Phelps could easily hit 35 home runs and maybe more. Wells and Delgado will provide a lot of protection for him. Hopefully Johnson, Hudson and The Cat can get on base for the heart of the order.

Halladay will be huge again and I think Batista will win 15-17 games himself.

Hinske needs to bounce back but he appears to be healthy and ready to return to his rookie of the year form from a few years earlier. With Wells becoming a bona fide superstar it takes a bit of pressure off Hinske to put up dynamite numbers. I predict about 25 homers and 85-95 RBI's.

The good news for the Jays is their top notch farm system. Dustin McGowan looks like another Halladay and Jason Arnold is expected to be huge too. Maybe these kids can jump into the rotation late in the season for a Wild Card push.

Okay, wishful thinking going on here.

The Jays will definetly be in tough to make the playoffs (to do so they would have to perform better than either the Red Sox of Yankees) but once our young pitching studs and Alexis Rios (5 tool phenom) hit, this team will be kicking down the Yankees door.

And that is NOT wishful thinking.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by docholiday_13
Okay, wishful thinking going on here.

The Jays will definetly be in tough to make the playoffs (to do so they would have to perform better than either the Red Sox of Yankees) but once our young pitching studs and Alexis Rios (5 tool phenom) hit, this team will be kicking down the Yankees door.

And that is NOT wishful thinking.

It's nice to know I'm not the only person that thinks this could happen

[Tweaky]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
3. The New York Mets will continue to suck


Oh come on. They are a lot better than last year and they were plagued by injuries.

My predictions are:

AL East:

1. New York Yankees
2. Boston Red Sox (W)
3. Toronto Blue Jays
4. Tampa Bay Devil Rays
5. Baltimore Orioles

AL Central:

1. Kansas City Royals
2. Chicago White Sox
3. Cleveland Indians
4. Minnesota Twins
5. Detroit Tigers

AL West:

1. Seattle Mariners
2. Anaheim Angels
3. Oakland Athletics
4. Texas Rangers

NL East:

1. Philidelphia Phillies
2. New York Mets (W)
3. Atlanta Braves
4. Florida Marlins
5. Montreal Expos

NL Central:

1. Chicago Cubs
2. Houston Astros
3. St. Louis Cardinals
4. Cincinnatti Reds
5. Milwakee Brewers
6. Pittsburgh Pirates

NL West:

1. Los Angeles Dodgers
2. San Francisco Giants
3. San Diego Padres
4. Arizona Diamondbacks
5. Colorado Rockies

World Series- New York Yankees over Chicago Cubs

AL Cy Young- Roy Halladay
NL Cy Young- Mark Prior
AL MVP- Alex Rodriguez
NL MVP- Albert Pujols (who should have won last season's MVP award)
AL ROY- Josh Mauer
NL ROY- Either Kaz Matsui or Jose Reyes

[daddiefatsacks]

Milton Bradley of the Cleveland Indians has gone AWOL and left the team today, he didn't run out a pop fly and the coach benched him, so he pretty much gave the finger and booked it.



Look for him to get traded sometime soon

[horrorfreak13]

Saw the highlight of the Blue Jays-Phillies beanball contest when Batista beanballed the Phillies players than the Phillies pitcher beanballed the Blue Jays hitter and then Batista beanballed another Philly hitter and both managers and both pitchers got tossed.

Didn't Larry Bowa get tossed like 10 times last year.

Also Sports Illustrated has a curse of what they put on the cover of their issues half the time so they have Kerry Wood on the issue and predicting the Cubs to win the World Series.

Great now we get to relieve 2 curses in 1.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Also Sports Illustrated has a curse of what they put on the cover of their issues half the time so they have Kerry Wood on the issue and predicting the Cubs to win the World Series.

Im gonna have to pick that up. I got the new TV Guide last night strictly because Kerry and Prior were on the cover. The cover is now tacked to my wall next to last years Sammy Sosa cover.


Speaking of the Cubs, they killed the Diamondbacks last night 12-1. Season starts Monday in Cinncinatti. After what I saw last night, the Reds are screwed. All of MLB is screwed, actually.

[Benny]

Here are my predictions (N.B. I am a fan of the Evil Empire):

AL
East:
1. Red Sox
2. Yankees (WC)
3. Orioles
4. Blue Jays
5. Devil Rays

Central:
1. Twins
2. White Sox
3. Royals
4. Tigers
5. Indians

West:
1. Mariners
2. Athletics
3. Angels
4. Ranger$

NL
East:
1. Phillies
2. Braves
3. Expos
4. Marlins (Take that, one-year wonders!)
5. Mets

Central:
1. Cubs
2. Astros (WC)
3. Cardinals
4. Reds (RIP Marge Schott)
5. Pirates
6. Brewers

West:
1. Giants
2. D-Backs
3. Dodgers
4. Padres
5. Rockies


NL Playoffs:
Cubs over Giants in 3
Astros over Phillies in 4

Cubs over Astros in 6

AL Playoffs:
Red Sox over Twins in 5
Yankees over Mariners in 4

Yanks over Sox in 7 :p

World Series:
Yanks over Cubs in 6

NL MVP: Albert Pujols
AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez
NL Cy Young: Kerry Wood
AL Cy Young: Barry Zito
NL ROY: either Kaz Matsui or Adam LaRoche
AL ROY: Josh Mauer

[Haddonfield]

Ah hell, Pedro always stinks in the opener!!

:)

Time to get bashed.

[docholiday_13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Ah hell, Pedro always stinks in the opener!!

:)

Time to get bashed.


The O's have a hell of a lineup, Haddonfield. And Ponson is pretty damn good too.

Your boys will rape em next time when they have Scrub A and Scrub B pitching.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Ah hell, Pedro always stinks in the opener!!

:)

Time to get bashed.

I have him in my damn pool DAMMIT!!!

Blue Jay's season starts at 1:00 when they play the Tigers who will probably improve their win total by 15 or 20 and still finish last. :D

[horrorfreak13]

WTF!!!! I get home and I find out that it's 7-0 for the fucking Tigers.

What the Hell???? :confused:

[bmain77]

Yeah 7-0...pretty sweet :D

It was 4-0. I walked out to get the mail and let my dogs out and grabbed a pop. Came back and it was 7-0.

[daddiefatsacks]

yeah i was 'lucky' enough to be apart of todays 'festivities' which were fun for about 20 minutes until the wheels fell off. Looked like Halladay was going to breeze through the tigers as he struck out the first 4, but then after the Pena homer the shit hit the fan.

I have no idea why Cash was even playing in this game? I definately thought Myers would start, but whatever.

i was surprised to see the amount of Tiger fans at the dome.

[bmain77]

I do have one question about the Blue Jays. If you are going to copy someone's logo and uniform why would it be the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of all teams. Am I the only one thats sees the similarites there. Also why change them anyways. I really like the past Jays unis.

[CrazyKillah]

I've got to join with Haddonfield here to power our BoSox to the promised land! Seriously, though, Pedro didn't look too bad after that 2nd inning last night. A 3.00 ERA would be great for anyone else. The D didn't help them out any and they squandered a number of scoring opportunities (hitting into DPs, etc). It's only one game - or so I keep telling myself:rolleyes: . They've GOT to get healthy, though.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by bmain77
I do have one question about the Blue Jays. If you are going to copy someone's logo and uniform why would it be the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of all teams. Am I the only one thats sees the similarites there. Also why change them anyways. I really like the past Jays unis.

No you are not the only one that sees that. This is the 3rd straight time the Blue Jays have changed their logo.

Also some congratulations to throw out here so congrats to the Milwakee Brewers who are over .500 for the first time in 2 years and also congrats to the Detroit Tigers who are over .500 for the first time since they went 3-2 in 2001.

Congrats because this will be the last time you will be over .500

[bmain77]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Congrats because this will be the last time you will be over .500

I'm not 100% confident, but with a 7-3 margin in the 9th I'm pretty sure were going to leave Toronto with a .666 at worst...well that and a dinged up Demitri Young and maybe a case or 2 of SARS :D

[screamer581]

All I really have to say is......HOW BOUT DEM TIGERS! :D

[horrorfreak13]

The Blue Jays lost to the damn Tigers again WTF??? :confused:

Well to make my day the Yankees lost to the D-Rays.

[CrazyKillah]

Schilling was rather impressive in his BoSox debut - it's a good thing, too - I would have been ill if both our aces had lost their first games. Seriously, though, how 'bout them Tigers! I, along with most everyone else, thought the Jays would be right in the thick of things this year (and they probabyly still will be - it's still EARLY).

[bmain77]

Tigers 3-0....wtf...I'm trying not to get excited, but damn. You can't read too much into this start, but when you consider that the Tigers play in about the weakest division in all of sports it just might be plausible that they might contend for the division this year. Who knows? Even the favorites, Royals and the Twins, are not that significantly better than the rest of the division.

It's going to hurt losing Demitri Young for 6 weeks, but it may not hurt as much as one might think. Young is really the Tigers full time DH. He's going to get very little time in the field. It allows for Craig Monroe to get some much needed ABs. He's someone who's going to strike out a lot, but he's got some serious pop to his bat. He hit 20 or 21 homers last year in not that many at bats.

It's good to see Mike Maroth and Jeremy Bonderman get off to good starts. Both have great stuff, but last year they never got the run support they needed. Detroit didn't have bad pitching at all last year. It was the lack of runs that strangled them.

[Haddonfield]

Since I can never figure out how to post an image here is an attachment from the most exciting part of yesterdays O's/BoSox game...

[Haddonfield]

***double post...Sorry!***

[horrorfreak13]

Funny pic Haddonfield. :D I couldn't watch the Blue Jays game because it wasn't on TV and I'm pretty much glad I didn't watch it if i had the chance. The Tigers are 3-0 WTF??? Luckilly they are in the worst division in baseball.

Watch the highlights of the Astros game last night does Roger Clemens ever look great last night or what pitching 7 strong innings for the win.

[Haddonfield]

The Rocket did look fantastic. Seems this guy could pitch till hes on medicare

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
The Rocket did look fantastic. Seems this guy could pitch till hes on medicare As a proud member of Red Sox Nation I am thrilled that I am once again able to root for the Rocket (now that he has left the Evil Empire!). Think it's a one year and this time I'm REALLY done thing or you see him sticking around if he/they (Astros) have success? Also, it was nice to see D. Lowe pitch well in his opening start for the Sox. Damn came out of his mini slump and made a great grab in the process. Hopefully, Wakefield can dazzle them with the knuckler tonight and they can take 3-out-of-4.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
As a proud member of Red Sox Nation I am thrilled that I am once again able to root for the Rocket (now that he has left the Evil Empire!). Think it's a one year and this time I'm REALLY done thing or you see him sticking around if he/they (Astros) have success? Also, it was nice to see D. Lowe pitch well in his opening start for the Sox. Damn came out of his mini slump and made a great grab in the process. Hopefully, Wakefield can dazzle them with the knuckler tonight and they can take 3-out-of-4.


Ive always liked Roger even when he was with the Yanks because I knew that he would always face Pedro when they played us and he would crumble under the pressure! He has been refocused in Houston much like his venture to Toronto and I expect him to have another great year.

The Passion of the Damon was great last night. I hope he never cuts the hair or shaves. The Passion of the Damon has already started things nice for us tonight. and yes, until he cuts the hair I will only call him The Passion of the Damon.

Lowe is going to have his best season this year. The cancer scare is behind him and he can bury himself in that three spot. As we know his emotions get the better of him and unless an injury to Petey or Shilling happen, Lowe will just put it in cruise control.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
The Passion of the Damon was great last night. I hope he never cuts the hair or shaves. The Passion of the Damon has already started things nice for us tonight. and yes, until he cuts the hair I will only call him The Passion of the Damon.

Going back to last season I prefer the name The Unfrozen Caveman Centerfielder, but yours works too. It's just that everytime I see a highlight of him in the running I'm just picturing either a sabre tooth tiger right behind him or him right behind a wooly mammoth.

Tigers...4-0...now this is just getting rediculous....:D You know something is wrong this time of year when I'm more excited about the Tigers than I am the Redwings or the Pistons.

[CrazyKillah]

Well the BoSox lost 3-2 in extra innings, but the bullpen performed well except for Jones who had control problems. If they can get a little more offensive output out of the boys until Nomar and Trot get back they should be OK. 2-2 and heading home for a stand isn't so bad (even if it does entail a series with the hated Yank-mes).

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Well the BoSox lost 3-2 in extra innings, but the bullpen performed well except for Jones who had control problems. If they can get a little more offensive output out of the boys until Nomar and Trot get back they should be OK. 2-2 and heading home for a stand isn't so bad (even if it does entail a series with the hated Yank-mes).


We shall be fine. The linup isnt the same without Trot and Nomar but we are also seeing pitchers that we have never seen before.

This isnt the same old AL East, this will be a tough year. But we have the Bats and the Pitchers to prevail at the end.

[CrazyKillah]

Well, the Sox have stumbled again, this time to Jays in the Fenway opener. Here's to hoping they can put the breaks on this little skid and right the ship quickly. The Yanks are coming on this stand. Anyone know if Damon's injury was serious today - he took a foul ball off his knee from what I could tell on the radio

[Rated R]

Oh boy, the Jays get off the snide and pound the BoSox late in the game. Lilly looked okay, but it was Kevin Cash who really impressed me today. He had a couple of key hits and drove in 3 runs. Delgado hit a homer, and my favorite player Frank Catalanotto had some key moments. I'm also starting to wonder if the sweep at the hands of the Tigers wasn't a fluke. Right now, Detroit is the only undefeated team in MLB where it seems to be a very even competition in the early goings.

Early World Series Prediction:

Oakland Athletics over Houston Astros

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Well, the Sox have stumbled again, this time to Jays in the Fenway opener. Here's to hoping they can put the breaks on this little skid and right the ship quickly. The Yanks are coming on this stand. Anyone know if Damon's injury was serious today - he took a foul ball off his knee from what I could tell on the radio

I didnt see The Passion of the Damon injury either, damn day games during a work day!

Lets hope this injury bug isnt a trend, but better to get them now than in 5 months.

[Benny]

Just finished watching the Braves-Cubs game on TBS. It was a classic, 15 innings, and the Cubs won 2-1. Too bad the yanks lost earlier today though :(

Hey, what's that homeless guy doing out in centerfield for the Red Sox? :p

[horrorfreak13]

I ws impressed by the Blue Jays bullpin yesterday, Adams, Lightenberg, and Lopez didn't allow a single run and beat up the Red Sox

Am I seeing this right or are the Tigers the only unbeaten team left in the league.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
I ws impressed by the Blue Jays bullpin yesterday, Adams, Lightenberg, and Lopez didn't allow a single run and beat up the Red Sox

Am I seeing this right or are the Tigers the only unbeaten team left in the league. They WERE, until they lost this afternoon.

[CrazyKillah]

I've been waiting all off season to say this... Pedro wins it, Foulke saves it! A magnificent pitching effort from the BoSox today and they got some help from the long ball, too. Belhorn homered, breaking a 0-for-15 streak, but he's still pretty weak offensively. I can't wait till we get Nomar and Trot back. The AL East is one big cluster-fuck right now!

[RicochetShaw]

Nice win by the Sox today... Pedro looked mighty impressive, looking like his old self :cool:. Anyone see that catch by Gabe Kapler? holy cow.


GO SOX GO

[CrazyKillah]

The Sox pull off a stunning come-from-behind extra inning victory, over the Jays, pushing them to 4-3, good enough for a share of the lead in the AL East. Bobby Jones sucked pond water once again, but Mark Malaska came through with some clutch pitching. They need to get the bats going, though!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
The Sox pull off a stunning come-from-behind extra inning victory, over the Jays, pushing them to 4-3, good enough for a share of the lead in the AL East. Bobby Jones sucked pond water once again, but Mark Malaska came through with some clutch pitching. They need to get the bats going, though!


My Red Sox brother, its going to be fun having a die hard around this year!

This game was enough to make me call Dale and Neumy tomorrow.

Ortiz as a monster, almost won it long before hand.

Every pitcher was getting squeezed big time and that really messed up Jones. I like the guy, he made some ok pitches, the batters didnt bite and the ump was tough. He will be a hero soon enough.

Its really nice to see an ace stike out everyone and get the standing O every inning again. Shame Pety doesnt have the fastball anymore and has become a whiny a-hole.

This is going to be a fun year.

[RicochetShaw]

A couple predictions after 1 week of play....


Angels will win the AL

Javier Vasquez will win 30 games, or come very close

[MarkItZero]

How about Kerry Wood striking out 7 batters in a row yesterday. Awesome.

Today is the Cubbies home opener, you can feel the energy in the air.

Go Cubs!

[daddiefatsacks]

damn man, the start this season reminds me of the start of the 2003 season for the jays. The slow start fucked them over for any sort of playoff hope, as they were 13 games over .500 in June. EVERY GAME COUNTS!!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
damn man, the start this season reminds me of the start of the 2003 season for the jays. The slow start fucked them over for any sort of playoff hope, as they were 13 games over .500 in June. EVERY GAME COUNTS!!


They held thier own against Schilling yesterday. I like most of there starting staff. Ortiz just had another one of his now patened games.

One thing tho, Can the Jays please switch to a different uniform? Its like im watching Tampa Bay with different colurs. Oh and they seem to be playing like Tamps so far :) (yeah I know, cheap shot)

I hate off days.

[daddiefatsacks]

yeah the new uniforms are less unique...check out the padres new uni's too, they look the same as well!!!

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
damn man, the start this season reminds me of the start of the 2003 season for the jays. The slow start fucked them over for any sort of playoff hope, as they were 13 games over .500 in June. EVERY GAME COUNTS!! I really feel that the Jays will come around, but you are right in saying that every game counts. They have a stacked lineup and a pitching staff that WILL get it together. Halliday looked a LOT better in his 2nd outing than he did in his first. It is also still EARLY. Everyone is still working out the bugs. Go SOX!

[krazy drako]

Ok, Tigers being 5-1 so far. Is it possible for them to be above 500? I think it's possible. I hope it happens. I don't think they'll make it to the playoffs this year. Which would be awesome and probably one of the biggest turn around stories of all time.

20 years ago they won the World Series. Can they do it this year? Probably not, would be awesome if they did though.

[bmain77]

The thing that sucks is that the number of Tiger games being aired this season has been cut back some, because of their terrible play. Plus tonights game was bumped from tv in favor of the friggin Redwings. I guess thats understandable, but still damn it I want to watch the Tigers now that they are actually good or at least while this streak lasts and reality catches up with them. Our local Fox Sports channel plans on bumping a few Tiger games in favor of Wings and Pistons playoff games.

[krazy drako]

I went to Tonights game against the Jays, Disapointing man. Tigers were kicking there ass 5-1 than after the 6th innining they
had 3 unanswer errors. Unfortunate.

Final Score was Toronto 7 Detroit 5

[horrorfreak13]

Kevin Cash 4-4 and the Blue Jays come back to win 7-5 and I have been very impressed by the Blue Jays bullpin so far Adams, Speier, and Lightenberg have been pretty good.

Clemens is 2-0 as an Astro so it looks like he hasen't lost it at all.

[daddiefatsacks]

11-0 win for the Jays today, bout time we looked dominant in offense and Roy finally shows off his cy young with a complete game shutout

[Haddonfield]

Pretty fun Yanks/Sox game last night. Nice to see Jeter and Giambi both pull a Bucker and A-Rod not get the ball out of the infield.

The new ace of Boston's staff goes today in what should be another fantastic baseball game.

Im pretty sure the entire world outside of Boston or New York is pretty much sick of this rivalry but you cant deny that, that was a freaking post season type of game in April...something every sport could use more of.

[krazy drako]

.Originally posted by Haddonfield
Pretty fun Yanks/Sox game last night. Nice to see Jeter and Giambi both pull a Bucker and A-Rod not get the ball out of the infield.

The new ace of Boston's staff goes today in what should be another fantastic baseball game.

Im pretty sure the entire world outside of Boston or New York is pretty much sick of this rivalry but you cant deny that, that was a freaking post season type of game in April...something every sport could use more of.

I'm not tired of it. This is the most excited I've ever been about a MLB season. I hope this continues. Hopefully end with the Detroit Tigers making the play-offs. If they, greatest come back ever! :p

[horrorfreak13]

Yankees lose to the Red Sox again I said it's all about pitching the Yankees don't have much of it and the Red Sox do and that's why the Red Sox are miles ahead of the Yankees. The Yankees can have all the hitting they want if they don't have enough pitching which they really don't compared to the Red Sox that's why the Red Sox win this division bya long shot.

There's a report on ESPN stating that Cubs pitcher Mark Prior could be out for the entire year From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1783863)

Why did I figue once Sports Illustrated picked the Cubs to win that this would start to happen. It would be a damn shame too the Cubs have a very good pitching staff and one that would give the Red Sox a run for their money and they have a very good lineup.

Blue Jays also lost today a close one to Baltimore I'm impressed by the Blue Jays bullpin it has been better than last year so far but the hitting is not there so far this year.

[Haddonfield]

The SI Jinx strikes again. They already fucked Nomar's career for the last two years!

Schilling is the man Pedro wishes he was. Petey can have fun couphing up gopher balls on the Yanks next year. Untill he figures out that it takes more than just showing up to the park he is on my shite list!

Geez, Im Mr. Negative to tonight.



:D

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
The SI Jinx strikes again. They already fucked Nomar's career for the last two years!

Schilling is the man Pedro wishes he was. Petey can have fun couphing up gopher balls on the Yanks next year. Untill he figures out that it takes more than just showing up to the park he is on my shite list!

Geez, Im Mr. Negative to tonight.



:D Na, man, I think you've hit it right on the head. Pedro can no longer get by on his name/reputation/innate skill anymore - he needs to start using his head. In that last start, his fastball was consistently in the 86-88 mph range - that's fine, if you can place it, but he wasn't placing the ball well. His curve ball and change up were also for shit and he got popped. Nevertheless, historically, he often has a shitty start or two in April and, hopefully, he can turn it around. It's also easier to feel sympathy for someone if he's not an asshole.

On the brightside, Curt Schilling kicks serious ass, as does Wake, so far this year. D Lowe also looked gerat in his one (just one?) start so far. Foulke finally gave up his first run of the season and Timlin has his ERA below 10 ! Go Sox!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Na, man, I think you've hit it right on the head. Pedro can no longer get by on his name/reputation/innate skill anymore - he needs to start using his head. In that last start, his fastball was consistently in the 86-88 mph range - that's fine, if you can place it, but he wasn't placing the ball well. His curve ball and change up were also for shit and he got popped. Nevertheless, historically, he often has a shitty start or two in April and, hopefully, he can turn it around. It's also easier to feel sympathy for someone if he's not an asshole.

On the brightside, Curt Schilling kicks serious ass, as does Wake, so far this year. D Lowe also looked gerat in his one (just one?) start so far. Foulke finally gave up his first run of the season and Timlin has his ERA below 10 ! Go Sox!

I agree with Pedro having his slow starts, why bothers me is he wasnt all that good during spring training. He has pitched one decent game this entire season.

Looks like the 10 days off that Derek had sure didnt help him. He got smoked.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
I agree with Pedro having his slow starts, why bothers me is he wasnt all that good during spring training. He has pitched one decent game this entire season.

Looks like the 10 days off that Derek had sure didnt help him. He got smoked.

It's also hurting my damn baseball pool right now :mad: That's why I have those 2 pitchers and dealt Pettite for Scott Rolen which is really paying off since Petitte's on the DL.

Blue Jays are 0-6 at home WTF!!:mad: I don't get it

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
It's also hurting my damn baseball pool right now :mad: That's why I have those 2 pitchers and dealt Pettite for Scott Rolen which is really paying off since Petitte's on the DL.

Blue Jays are 0-6 at home WTF!!:mad: I don't get it


Thanks for reminding me about the pool. Im such an idiot I forgot all about it with the hockey playoffs here. DUH!!! Ill take a look at the leauge later.....im such a moron!

Sox take 3 of 4 in April vs the Yanks. Well it sure is better than losing them all. This Yanks team doesnt impress me but its too early to say much. A very very nice win for the Sox today.

11 am start, hows that for craziness?

[bmain77]

I've about had it with fantasy sports....For the last few years I've always wanted Kurt Warner on my football team and of course A-Rod would look good on any baseball team. SO this year it happens. Kurt Warner ends up looking more like Charlie Batch this years and freaking A-Rod is killing me so far. How does he go hitless in the entire series with Boston? You know Steinbrenner is firing Constanza or somebody over this happening.

Getting back to the TIgers....if I see Craig Norton in the lineup again I'm going to tear up all my Allen Trammell baseball cards and maybe even Kirk Gibson just to be safe. Every time he comes up the bat with runners in scoring position and he freakin lines out to short every damn time. I know he's a veteran player, but come on Allen. He didn't do jack in the spring and he's not doing it now. Quit taking ABs from Eric Munson.

[Haddonfield]

A-Rod didnt go hitless, he got a single in his last at bat in game 4. But he was really out so yeah, I guess he was hitless :D

and nice defence Yanks. Learn how to catch and throw the ball will ya! you overpaid fakes!

:cool:

Like sucks with no steroids to kick around

[CrazyKillah]

I know that it is probably a little too early to get excited about the Sox taking 3 out of 4 from the Yank Me's, but, fuck, the Sox didn't even have Trot or Nomar! May can't come soon enough (when these 2 are slated to return). It sounds as though Kim may be back by next week (Arroyo settled down today, but he's better suited for the bullpen IMO). Go Sox!

[Haddonfield]

Well, Pedro was cool tonight and the Jays are now 0-7 at home.

Its early but its taking shape. Good game for Pedro.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Well, Pedro was cool tonight and the Jays are now 0-7 at home.

Its early but its taking shape. Good game for Pedro. I didn't get to watch/listen to the game last night. His numbers were pretty impressive, but was his velocity up at all? Either way, I'm glad that he had a quality start. Aside from a game here and there, the pitching staff, as a whole, has been really effective. What's up with the Orioles kicking so much ass?

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
I didn't get to watch/listen to the game last night. His numbers were pretty impressive, but was his velocity up at all? Either way, I'm glad that he had a quality start. Aside from a game here and there, the pitching staff, as a whole, has been really effective. What's up with the Orioles kicking so much ass?


Pedro was still throwing high 80's like he has been, He curve ball was finally dropping and he located his pitches very well. Hopefully he can zone in from this.

They shows on espn classic that Pedro/Clemens game a few years back when Trot took the Rocket deep for a two run shot in the 8th inning at Yankee Stadium. Damn that was a good game and good to see a Pedro who could throw some heat.

[TheElephants]

I think it may be a little early, but HOW ABOUT THEM REDS? 8-5! I think i'm not the only one who didn't see this coming.

Early World Series Prediction:

I originally thought it would be the Cubs winning it all but, if Prior IS down for the rest of the season, everything changes. With that said, my NEW pick is:

Anaheim over *wild guess* Florida. I somehow think, if Prior doesn't come back, then Florida will shock everybody and make it AGAIN. Of course, they won't WIN this time. But I don't think either New York or Boston will make it there either. Anaheim is a VERY dangerous team and I wouldn't be shocked to see them in the World Series. Of course, this may be wishful thinking on my part..but as long as the Evil Empire doesn't make it, i'm ok.

[Kevin Smith fan]

I've loved the Red Sox and Cubs my whole life, and last year I came very close to seeing them both in the world serries. I hate the Yankees and was estatic when I saw Pedro through "popeye" last year, it was possibly one of my favorite sports memories ever. Anyway I hope these two teams can pull it together, ecspecially the Sox, becauase they have such a tuff division.

[CrazyKillah]

Chalk up another win for the BoSox tonight (4-2 over the LOWLY Jays - Man, I thought that this team would be a contender for sure). For bullpen has been ROCK solid lately, pitching something sick like 13 1/3 straight shutout innings. Wakefield is 3-0 with an ERA in the mid 2s. They're 9-5 and finally in sole possession of 1st in the AL East (just imagine when Trot and Nomar and Kim get back!)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by TheElephants
I think it may be a little early, but HOW ABOUT THEM REDS? 8-5! I think i'm not the only one who didn't see this coming.


GO REDS!!!

Being born just outside of Cincy I have always loved there teams. Im glad Griff is healthy in his own way and hopefully the team will get back to that glorious 1990 year I still dream about.

But with my luck they will be done in about a month! :eek: :D ;)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Chalk up another win for the BoSox tonight (4-2 over the LOWLY Jays - Man, I thought that this team would be a contender for sure). For bullpen has been ROCK solid lately, pitching something sick like 13 1/3 straight shutout innings. Wakefield is 3-0 with an ERA in the mid 2s. They're 9-5 and finally in sole possession of 1st in the AL East (just imagine when Trot and Nomar and Kim get back!)



ahhh yes. Its starting to come together! Wake seems like he is in one of his zones and we finally have a bullpen that can do the job better than anyone. Im doing my April Red Sox dream but no one in the east has a better team right now. Pitching is everything and they are loaded.

Im not a big fan of Kim (by they way thats the name of the girl I was going to marry in three weeks but oh well) Name aside, he has talent but no grit for this town. When Nomar and Trot gets back we will take over the game.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
ahhh yes. Its starting to come together! Wake seems like he is in one of his zones and we finally have a bullpen that can do the job better than anyone. Im doing my April Red Sox dream but no one in the east has a better team right now. Pitching is everything and they are loaded.

Im not a big fan of Kim (by they way thats the name of the girl I was going to marry in three weeks but oh well) Name aside, he has talent but no grit for this town. When Nomar and Trot gets back we will take over the game. Personally, I'm not a huge Kim fan, either, but he's young and he's got boatloads of real talent - he's just a bit of a headcase - you can almost see him start to tremble when they play the Yankees. If he can pull his nerves together, we'll easily have the best #5 starter in the league. I smell a sweep of the Jays in the works!

I gotta agree with you guys on the Reds too. For a team that sold off just about everyone they had last year, they're really playing pretty well - and Junior appears to be back!

[horrorfreak13]

Blue Jays are now 0-8 at home :mad: I know this is the Red Sox but at least win one game against these guys.

Also on Law & Order last night a New York fan interferes and costs his team a plyoff game and gets killed I wonder what this reminds me of.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Blue Jays are now 0-8 at home :mad: I know this is the Red Sox but at least win one game against these guys.


Just to add to the bad news you have to face Schilling tonight.

Can I say sweep yet? :cool: ;)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Just to add to the bad news you have to face Schilling tonight.

Can I say sweep yet? :cool: ;)

regretfully yes I can :rolleyes: At least David Ortiz is playing well and also in my pool the best trade I ever made that I questioned doing and that was Andy Pettite for Scott Rolen and so far Pettite is on the DL and Rolen has been amazing top that with my Malk Mulder for Jorge Posada trade in the fantasy pool I'm looking great doI know how to make great trades or what.

[daddiefatsacks]

i am going to the game tonite...i hope they wont make it 9 in a row at home

what a horrible start.

look for me in my Crabtree jersey haha :)

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
look for me in my Crabtree jersey haha :)


With the amount of people there you wont be hard to find!

Two funny but corny lines from the fantastic WEEI...

"With the ten people at the stadium last night, they couldnt find the one guy who played that horn ALL GAME LONG?!"

"I just realized that Blue Jays rhymes with Devils Rays"

:eek:

[horrorfreak13]

Hold on a second I think I'm dreaming but the Blue Jays won a home game this year even though it's against Boston but they won a home game YIPPIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have somethign to be somewhat happy about tonight.

[daddiefatsacks]

I was sitting 23 rows behind home plate, nice seats and i was surrounded by BOSOX fans.

they had the upper hand for about 7 innings then once our superhero chris gomez came through, the boston faithful had shut their mouth!!

And whats with americans asking for light beer?? all of the Bosox fans around me kept asking for light beer.

Congrats jays!

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
And whats with americans asking for light beer?? all of the Bosox fans around me kept asking for light beer.


Light beer is probably the equivalent for regular beer in the US but I think even that is more stronger than most Americna beers.

Seems like you had a good time at least they won when you went there when I went to a Blue Jays game 4 years ago they were playing the Yankees the Blue Jays had a 6-2 lead going into the 8th inning and grand slam tied it and then the next inning someone said Bernie sucks and Bernie Williams hit a grand slam off Billy Koch to win the game 10-6.

I had good seats 20 rows up between home and 1st base.

[Haddonfield]

Light beer is trendy around here but its nothing. Between Bud Light and Coors and Sam Adams its a light beer war.

and screw them all, that light shite is nothing but water with a slight buzz waiting to happen. Its three trips to the bathroom instead of one. Its 30 bucks vs 15 bucks.

Its useless.

Im a buck forty and can drink anyone here under the table as long as beer is the game!

oh and im shocked as hell the Devil Blue Jays won tonight.

;)

Im not really, Good game by the Jays. They hung in and now I get to here negative crap on the radio for 24 hours.

Do people understand that the Red Sox are a CULT around here? Im talking every pitch, every move, evey decision is talked about for days. Im convinced that if they "win it all" or not this year the city will burn down, bring it down....

Its like OCD times 50 with this team.





and im there every breathe....

Where is my Budweiser?

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Im a buck forty and can drink anyone here under the table as long as beer is the game!

Well I'm a buck 55 and and can drink uite a bit too although I'm out after 8 Black Ice which is 6.1%

Originally posted by Haddonfield
They hung in and now I get to here negative crap on the radio for 24 hours.

Do people understand that the Red Sox are a CULT around here? Im talking every pitch, every move, evey decision is talked about for days. Im convinced that if they "win it all" or not this year the city will burn down, bring it down....

Its like OCD times 50 with this team.


I know the feeling it's the same thing with the Leafs one day the win and their the best team and the world and one loss and their too old and trade this guy fire this guy and everyone goes into big time panic after 1 loss

[Haddonfield]

Well my boys put a HURTIN on the empire yesterday and so far everything is looking good after an inning today.

Its fun to watch the Yanks make stupid play after stupid play, over and over.

[CrazyKillah]

2 out of 3 in this series... 5 out of 6 overall... I know it's still too early to get excited, but either the Sox are looking REALLY good or the Yankees are looking REALLY bad. Eh, it's probably a little of both. The Sox pitching staff is lethal - just wait till Trot and Nomar come back to provide a little extra pop with the bats! Hopefully, Pedro has his shit together today and they can complete the sweep - he's been very on and off in his first few starts. I here the chant already... Yankees suck! Yankess suck!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
2 out of 3 in this series... 5 out of 6 overall... I know it's still too early to get excited, but either the Sox are looking REALLY good or the Yankees are looking REALLY bad. Eh, it's probably a little of both. The Sox pitching staff is lethal - just wait till Trot and Nomar come back to provide a little extra pop with the bats! Hopefully, Pedro has his shit together today and they can complete the sweep - he's been very on and off in his first few starts. I here the chant already... Yankees suck! Yankess suck!

Ive been watching some Pedro games from a few years back and damn was he good once. The best pitcher I have ever seen with my own eyes.

Too bad that guy is gone.

You want to talk about a messed up game yesterday. The Sox were 0-18 with runners in scoring position and still won the game with three sac flies. You never win with an 0 for 18 stat like that.

What I like about the game is Bronson pitched fantastic. He was hitting his spots and for the first time I noticed how many good pitches he has.

Damn I wish it was October already.

[Haddonfield]

My boys took another. Pedro was finaly fantastic. Manny is having his best Red Sox season so far. Vasquez was fantastic also but has to take the loss. The Yanks continue to act like the Bad News Bears out there on the field. What did they have, 5, 6 errors in the series?? and plenty of other boneheaded plays.

The way things are going the Sox bullpen may never give up another run for another month.

VERY COOL!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

[bmain77]

Well we're a little over 3 weeks into the season and the Tigers are still over .500. That just amazes me like you can't even believe. Perhaps for the first time in my lifetime it looks as though all four of Detroit's teams could possibly be at least respectable all in the same year. That is assuming all the Lions signing and their stellar draft pays off.

But back to the Tigers...Rondell White has been big time clutch. The pitching has been up and down, but I really can't complain. I'm loving the fact that Brandon Inge is doing so well. As happy as I was to see Pudge sign, I kinda felt bad for Inge. Prior to this season Inge has been as good as a defensive catcher there is out there and thats no joke at all. But he hasn't been able to hit to save his life. He was on a roll in spring training and has carried it over into the regular season. I half tempted to pick him over in the fantasy league to help my pathetic team, but I'm thinking I just need to remain patient and wait of my star players to warm up (A-Rod I'm looking in your direction) though he has picked it up some the last few days.

[horrorfreak13]

Red Sox sweep the Evil Empire I said it's all about pitching and good pitching will always beat good hitting almost everytime and the Yankees may have good hitting but they don't have a great pitching staff unlike the Red Sox who have great pitching and great hitting.

If Pedro, Derek Lowe and Curt Shilling stay healthy and just have average seasons they can each win 15 games with just having average seasons and their hitting can win them a lot of games that's why this team will win 100 games at least with all 3 of these pitchers could probably win 20 games and it is possible.

Also Red Sox fans than the Blue Jays hitters for finally waking up and winning 15-3. Also it was nice to see them win they day before that 5-4 with their bullpin doing a great job not allowing a run.

[CrazyKillah]

The Sox's hot pitching continues! Curt Schilling was masterful tonight and the bullpen extended its consecutive shutout innings stretch to something like 25 innings! Sick! 13-6 baby! And all without Trot and Nixon. They get Kim back for his first start tomorrow - it'll be interesting to see what kind of reaction he gets from the crowd after last postseason's one finger salute! I still think that he has the makings of a great pitcher, he just has to keep his emotions in check.

[Haddonfield]

From what Ive seen of Bronson and what I know of BHK (cant ever say his last name, please forgive me) all I can really say is....:cool:

Yanks are getting back against the A's, bit of a shame but there is no other team with the pitchinh the Sox have.

Sure we beat the Rays but a win is a win is a win and they are going to keep winning.

I have a feeling like this thread isnt going to do much till the NHL playoffs are done.?.?.?

[SubMethod]

Anybody else as excited as me to see the Rangers doing as good as they are? Fuck A-Rod. I can't until we play the Yankees, and these 'kids' have a better record than they do.

[Haddonfield]

For the record thats 3 shutouts in a row for my Red Sox. another game tonight.

Is it October yet? Please?????

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
For the record thats 3 shutouts in a row for my Red Sox. another game tonight.

Is it October yet? Please?????

I just wish the shutout came with Derek Lowe pitching but he I'll take the win in my pool and the HR from David Ortiz in the first game.

Blue Jays lose another game FUCK!! At last Halladay is pitching tonight at last the Blue Jays won't lose tonight.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by SubMethod
Anybody else as excited as me to see the Rangers doing as good as they are? Fuck A-Rod. I can't until we play the Yankees, and these 'kids' have a better record than they do. As a rabid member of Red Sox Nation, I say HELL YEAH to that! Fuck, I just read on redsox.com that Pedro has broken off talks with the team and will test the free agent waters. Any bets on whether or not the Yankees sign him AND Nomar next year. That's be great... then they'd have TWO shortstops better than Derek Jeter:D

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
As a rabid member of Red Sox Nation, I say HELL YEAH to that! Fuck, I just read on redsox.com that Pedro has broken off talks with the team and will test the free agent waters. Any bets on whether or not the Yankees sign him AND Nomar next year. That's be great... then they'd have TWO shortstops better than Derek Jeter:D


Im pretty much at my limit with Pedro the Diva, in fact from now on I will only call him The Diva. He is making 17 and a half million freakin dollars this season alone. He has enough money to buy a large island for him and his ego to live on. He has lost 6 miles off his fastball, has been nothing but a moron the way he handles the media, he doesnt stick around for games, he leaves notes for the public, forces the team to use their option on him when they didnt have to by threatning to leave, now is doing the same threat and were just a month into the season. Maybe he is pissed that we have another pitcher on this team that is every good as he is now, The Diva needs to understand he isnt the Diva from 1999, that was too many shoulder injuries ago.

and as much as I dont want to see him in NY, I dont think some of his tactics would sit will with Torre.

Im not a huge fan with some of the things the new team owners have done but they have done nothing but hike up the skirt and bend over for The Diva. Im pretty sure his next contract will include only green m&m's in his locker and 12 bottles of sparkling water in his new seat in the dugout for every game.

Go ahead and "test the free market" you whinny bitch, its all about the fans and the game, not about you.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Im pretty much at my limit with Pedro the Diva, in fact from now on I will only call him The Diva. He is making 17 and a half million freakin dollars this season alone. He has enough money to buy a large island for him and his ego to live on. He has lost 6 miles off his fastball, has been nothing but a moron the way he handles the media, he doesnt stick around for games, he leaves notes for the public, forces the team to use their option on him when they didnt have to by threatning to leave, now is doing the same threat and were just a month into the season. Maybe he is pissed that we have another pitcher on this team that is every good as he is now, The Diva needs to understand he isnt the Diva from 1999, that was too many shoulder injuries ago.

and as much as I dont want to see him in NY, I dont think some of his tactics would sit will with Torre.

Im not a huge fan with some of the things the new team owners have done but they have done nothing but hike up the skirt and bend over for The Diva. Im pretty sure his next contract will include only green m&m's in his locker and 12 bottles of sparkling water in his new seat in the dugout for every game.

Go ahead and "test the free market" you whinny bitch, its all about the fans and the game, not about you. I agree with everything that you've said. That aside, you will remember that this team overlooked another aging superstar pitcher some years back and that guy is now the #1 pitcher in the NL (at the moment), on top of winning several more Cy Youngs and World Series. If this team is serious about not signing The Diva (I'll join you in this) then they should trade him while they can still get something for him (maybe several young quality arms). I do have to say that these developments have dampened my spirits a little, though. Everything with the team appeared to be going so smoothly.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
I agree with everything that you've said. That aside, you will remember that this team overlooked another aging superstar pitcher some years back and that guy is now the #1 pitcher in the NL (at the moment), on top of winning several more Cy Youngs and World Series. If this team is serious about not signing The Diva (I'll join you in this) then they should trade him while they can still get something for him (maybe several young quality arms). I do have to say that these developments have dampened my spirits a little, though. Everything with the team appeared to be going so smoothly.


I would agree about the Clemens comparison but there are many different factors about the situations.

1. Different ownership and GM. We all know how great Duquette handled dealing with players.
2. At the time, Clemens was a 500 pitcher. in fact his last 4 years with Boston were not spectacular. Many reasons for this including groin injuries, no run support, and my personal fave, blisters and hang nails.
3. Clemens used revenge to reinvent his career. He took that hate for the Duke and turned it into a new beginning.
4. Both pitchers were/are the highest paid at their posistion. Funny thing is Clemens was making 5.5 mill and Diva is 17.5, Thats a huge difference.
5. Diva still has some life in him but there is no indication that he will have the shelf life like the Rocket has. Diva is a pitch away from the end of his playing days (he already ended his talking days)

Bottom line is the economics are different now. Its the same in princible...your best pitcher, new contract....but the amount is huge and add in the contracts of Nomar, Tek, Lowe, and my new altime fave David "im THE man" Ortiz, were talking about some serious decisions.

I cant see them trading the Diva and he may walk. Yet I do think he is honest in wanting to win in Boston. He does understand what that would mean, it also motivates him. Maybe in the long run this will work to the whole teams advantage THIS season. Light a fire under his ass much like the Rocket had when he left. If we are having a parade on Landsdown street by the end of the year then all this will work itself out.

[CrazyKillah]

Well, the Sox dropped game one of the double dip with the Rangers today (is it just me or does every team get better AFTER losing A-Rod?). In game 2, it's "put up" time for The Diva. The Sox can't afford to lose a series with the Yankees as hot as they are.

[CrazyKillah]

Fuck! The Sox just got swept by the Rangers (is this team for real?). It has become painfully obvious lately that Boston could use a little more offensive pop in the lineup - hopefully Trot and Nomar can make it back soon. What was with Pedro sucking ass so bad last night? They're off to Cleveland next... maybe they'll have better luck against them!

[SubMethod]

Originally posted by SubMethod
Anybody else as excited as me to see the Rangers doing as good as they are? Fuck A-Rod. I can't until we play the Yankees, and these 'kids' have a better record than they do.

I reiterate. Fuck A-Rod!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Fuck! The Sox just got swept by the Rangers (is this team for real?). It has become painfully obvious lately that Boston could use a little more offensive pop in the lineup - hopefully Trot and Nomar can make it back soon. What was with Pedro sucking ass so bad last night? They're off to Cleveland next... maybe they'll have better luck against them!

They just hit a wall against a team that is sneaking up on everyone right now. But I agree they need some hitting and fast. Trot should be back next week so thats good although it may take time for him to find his groove. We will just hang on without those guys and let our pitching do its thing.

[CrazyKillah]

Fellow Sox fans, check this out...

Manny wants to chip in money for Pedro/Nomar (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1794348)

[horrorfreak13]

That could be proving that not all baseball players are greedy bastards then again what does Manny really care about making money anyways he's probably set for life and probably wants a World Series ring while the Blue Jays are sitting at 8-17 :confused: I know there were'n a lot of expectation on this team because of the Yankees and the Red Sox but come one this team was at least expected to get to 85-90 wins and it sure as hell dosen't look that way right now.

[CrazyKillah]

I never thought that the Jays would win the Series this year, but I, too, thought they'd be a .500+ team. What gives? The guys that they acquired to fill in around Halloday haven't pitched that well and, at least in the games I saw where they played the Sox, their usually excellent hitters just couldn't get on base. It is still early, though - they very well may turn it around yet.

[daddiefatsacks]

8-18

man. This is sad so far, I really don't get it.

[CrazyKillah]

I know, I know, I don't ahve to post something about every fucking Sox game, but...

they've now lost 4 in a row and are only ahead of the Yankme's by a narrow one game margin - I know that it's not October, but this team that was looking so good a week ago is now looking horrible at the plate. Curt Schilling got tagged with the loss tonight after pitching very well (Bronson Arroyo and Time Wakefield also picked up losses in the Rangers series after great outings). I hope these bats get hot soon or they'll be in deep shit.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
I know, I know, I don't ahve to post something about every fucking Sox game, but...

they've now lost 4 in a row and are only ahead of the Yankme's by a narrow one game margin - I know that it's not October, but this team that was looking so good a week ago is now looking horrible at the plate. Curt Schilling got tagged with the loss tonight after pitching very well (Bronson Arroyo and Time Wakefield also picked up losses in the Rangers series after great outings). I hope these bats get hot soon or they'll be in deep shit.


Have no fear. This is the typical ebb and flow of the regular season. You cant win 150 games a year even tho when things are going good you think you can. The Sox have hit the wall but we have good/strange news. Manny says he would kick in 5 million bucks a year to keep The Diva around in Beantown. Hows that for messed up. If only the MLBPA would allow Manny to reneg his contract to make that happen.

The Sox will be fine, they just cant hit worth a shit right now, but they will be fine. Big lead last week, no lead this week....its typical....damn I love Baseball!

[horrorfreak13]

Blue Jays lose in extra innings but big hand to Jimmy Gobble who pitched an amazing game was one out away from a complete game shutout and Tony Pena aked him if he could get Josh Phelps out with Delgado on first base he said yes and Pena left him in when he could have taken him out and full marks to Pena in leaving him in unfortunatley Gobble got a no decision on pitching a monster of a game and he's only 22 years old.

BTW Am I the only one who finds the irony of the Texas Rangers with 17-9 record right now better than the Yankees 14-11 record.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Blue Jays lose in extra innings but big hand to Jimmy Gobble who pitched an amazing game was one out away from a complete game shutout and Tony Pena aked him if he could get Josh Phelps out with Delgado on first base he said yes and Pena left him in when he could have taken him out and full marks to Pena in leaving him in unfortunatley Gobble got a no decision on pitching a monster of a game and he's only 22 years old.

BTW Am I the only one who finds the irony of the Texas Rangers with 17-9 record right now better than the Yankees 14-11 record. No, the irony is not lost here, either. However, you will also probably recall that the Mariners became a better team after he left as well. In fact, they became a better team after they lost a number of their stars - Randy Johnson, Griffey Jr, A-Rod, Jay Buhner. This could be the same thing with the Rangers - they have lost A-Rod, Palmeiro, and Juan Gonzalez. Now, their young, budding players have become more confident and relaxed and they find themselves in first place - whether they stay there or not remains to be seen.

[jackson13]

Ok, taking to focus off of what has become the official Red Sox discussion thread, my beloved Cubbies are back home tonight against Arizona. Cub fans can only hope that something gets fixed in the bullpen, and fast. In a 4 game series with your most hated rivals, it makes you look awfully bad if you blow not one but 2 games in the final at bat because of lackluster pitching. With such a promising start to the season, I certainly hope this doesnt become a new "Cub trend". Arizona is goin down tonight though!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by jackson13
Ok, taking to focus off of what has become the official Red Sox discussion thread


Its just until the NHL playoffs are over I think. More focus there than in this thread.

But im not complaining since I talk about the Sox every 5 seconds :)

and for the record....Screw the Diva!

:D

[CrazyKillah]

The Diva sucks! And, judging by the first few innings of tonight's Sox/Indians game, so do the Sox! Holy shit, when will this skid end:( This is a team they should be beating up on, not being made to look like a joke by.

[jackson13]

Fuckin' Cubs.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
The Diva sucks! And, judging by the first few innings of tonight's Sox/Indians game, so do the Sox! Holy shit, when will this skid end:( This is a team they should be beating up on, not being made to look like a joke by.


Im pretty sure they have hit rock bottom on this skid. I dont think they can play worse than tonight. They had a run at the end that I hoped would kill the skid but even tho they lost they shall prevail next game. The bats will be back, I just hope the pressure of how bad they played doesnt kill them.

[daddiefatsacks]

Well now that the Leafs season is over, its time to completely devote all my attention to the jays, a team that I have always loved...anyways nice to see us get our 2nd win of the season at home (barely).

I like this Fasor kid we got from L.A., maybe he will stay as the closer instead of the unreliable Adams.

jackson13, any idea when Prior is coming back? I originally heard late April, but that's already passed.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
jackson13, any idea when Prior is coming back? I originally heard late April, but that's already passed.

I guess they're saying the end of May now. He's gonna pitch a couple more of those "almost" games like he pitched last week in Arizona. But he is getting better everyday, so I'd say it'll be before the end of May. Like in a week and a half or so.

[jackson13]

FUCKING CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[horrorfreak13]

Vernon Wells seems like he's out of his slump 2 HRs and 5 RBIs and David Ortiz gets me 2 HRs and 4 RBIs for my baseball pool.

Also what is this MLB and advertising Spiderman on all the bases for the weekend in June what MLB dosen't have enough fucking money or what.

[jackson13]

I dont know if its the Marlins Gonzalez or my Cubbies Gonzalez, but Alex Gonzalez broke his arm last night and will be out 6 weeks.


It might sound cruel to say, but please let it be Marlins Gonzalez and not my North Siders. We need Gonzo. He is our late inning savior when it comes to needing tying/game winning homers. Plus he is great at Short.


Cubs are up right now 8-3. I always love it when I dont have to say "Fuckin Cubs!" because they lost.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
Also what is this MLB and advertising Spiderman on all the bases for the weekend in June what MLB dosen't have enough fucking money or what.


Its just further proof that Selig doesnt belong in baseball. No self-respecting person would ever "Sell-out" the nations pasttime.


Check that, Cubs are up 10-3.

[Haddonfield]

To be honest I dont care about the Spider-Man sell out but I think they did cross the line by putting it on the bases. Lets not forget that baseball parks used to always be covered in logo's. Hell the Green Monster was nothing but a glorified billboard. There are tons of logos all over every park all ready...and in every ice rink...the only differene is, is that the MLB clubs get the cash but this time its MLB.

I have zero problem with it except for the bases. I agree thats too far. but the idea of it is fine.

[CrazyKillah]

Hell yeah! The Sox are back to their winning ways, taking their second in a row tonight, 5-2 over the Indians. The Diva looked awfully bad in the first, but he settled down and actually ended up pitching very well. Hopefully, the Yanks winning streak (up to 8 before tonight's game with the As) will come to an end soon. 18-11 without Pedro and Nomar ain't too shabby.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Hell yeah! The Sox are back to their winning ways, taking their second in a row tonight, 5-2 over the Indians. The Diva looked awfully bad in the first, but he settled down and actually ended up pitching very well. Hopefully, the Yanks winning streak (up to 8 before tonight's game with the As) will come to an end soon. 18-11 without Pedro and Nomar ain't too shabby.


you know what sucks is after watching The Diva pitch almost like he did three years ago my love for the guy just comes right back and I want to take back all the bad things I said about him.

Well F that, he is still a whinny bitch who needs to do this for 20 more games like he used too. But he pitched fantastic. He always had trouble in the first and this was vintage Diva, only this time it was his breaking ball and not his heater. Lets hope it sticks.

Two in a row now and the flow is starting to swing back. Its official, the slump is over....come on Trot and Nomar!!!

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by jackson13
I dont know if its the Marlins Gonzalez or my Cubbies Gonzalez, but Alex Gonzalez broke his arm last night and will be out 6 weeks.


It's the Cubs Gonzalez or the former Blue Jay Gonzalez who struckout all the time when he was a Blue Jay I'm not sure if he's done any better there.

Well appears the spiderman ads aren't going on the bases as MLB has opted out of the promotion when fans started a backlash and most teams weren't willing to do it in fact the Yankees said they would do it for 1 game and only do it for batting practise which killed that.

I'm glad they did because next would have been ads on uniforms and I don't wants ads on fucking uniforms just look at hockey in Europe.

I heard this strange story last night and I thought I was either drunk out out of it when I did hear it and maybe it was the beer talking but appearently Moises Alou pees on his hands to get ready for games or some shit like that he told someone that appearently wasn't supposed to publish this.

Please tell me that was a joke or something.

[daddiefatsacks]

way to go jays, 3 in a row at home, unbeaten since the leafs were eliminated


this reminds me of last year!

[Haddonfield]

hmmmm....Nomar and Trot are with the club for the first time and they rally with 5 runs in the last two innings.

Im going to be alot better when those two guys are back on the field.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
hmmmm....Nomar and Trot are with the club for the first time and they rally with 5 runs in the last two innings.

Im going to be alot better when those two guys are back on the field. Amen! The Sox are back on a roll (3 in a row) and back where they belong, atop the AL East. I think that every member of Red Sox Nation laughed together the other day when the Yankme's sent there $30-something million wonder boy import (Contreras) down to SINGLE A :D Anyway, I'm starting my Manny Ramirez for MVP campaign right now!

[daddiefatsacks]

4 in a row!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Amen! The Sox are back on a roll (3 in a row) and back where they belong, atop the AL East. I think that every member of Red Sox Nation laughed together the other day when the Yankme's sent there $30-something million wonder boy import (Contreras) down to SINGLE A :D Anyway, I'm starting my Manny Ramirez for MVP campaign right now!


Manny for MVP sounds good, just some one tell him to SLIDE!

Another win for the Sox today. I like playing really bad teams, it makes me feel better about myself.

"here comes the bride"

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Manny for MVP sounds good, just some one tell him to SLIDE!

Another win for the Sox today. I like playing really bad teams, it makes me feel better about myself.

"here comes the bride" Holy crap! He made that play at the plate a lot closer than it looked like it needed to be the other night. Slide, Manny, Slide! Schilling looked AWESOME yesterday. It was also nice to hear that Nixon was with the team for a few days and that Nomar was taking like BP (still worried that they have NO timetable for his return) - I still wouldn't be surprised if we don't get either of them back until after the All-Star break. What happened to the Royals? They were a semi-contender last year and now they have the worst record in the Bigs?

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Holy crap! He made that play at the plate a lot closer than it looked like it needed to be the other night. Slide, Manny, Slide! Schilling looked AWESOME yesterday. It was also nice to hear that Nixon was with the team for a few days and that Nomar was taking like BP (still worried that they have NO timetable for his return) - I still wouldn't be surprised if we don't get either of them back until after the All-Star break. What happened to the Royals? They were a semi-contender last year and now they have the worst record in the Bigs?


Trots latest setback is a concern but I would expect him in the lineup in two weeks! They are being careful with Norar but lets look at it, he has hit the field the other day and took normal practice, no problems there, now is doing full BP and so far no problems. Both guys will his Pawtucket for a few games and when they are ready to go, best option is to wait another week. Trot in two weeks, Nomar is a month is my best guess.

as I say that im watching Trot say he can only run right now at 50 percent :(

[daddiefatsacks]

5 in a row

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
5 in a row Yeah, how 'bout them streakin' Jays? I knew it was only a matter of time before they started winning with some consistency. My beloved Sox dropped one to the Royals today, but they'll have the opportunity to rip Cleveland a new ass in the first part of this week before cooling off those red-hot Jays. Bring it Toronto!

[horrorfreak13]

well 5 stright wins for the Jays right now and they are playing great and it's nice to see some of the other starters getting some support that they weren't getting earlier in the season.

Also Derek Lowe you wren't supposed to lose yesterday dammit I'm getting the feeling I should have traded him instead of Andy Pettite but I'll be patient with him the Red Sox are a good team.

Blue Jays go for 6 tonight against Kansas City who haven't been great latley also strange with the schedule the Blue Jays are now done with the White Sox and will be done with Kansas City after this series and will be done with the Tigers after this month and they don't play the Yankees until what June or July :confused:

[daddiefatsacks]

6 in a row!

Halladay goin on the mound tomorrow, i like our odds.

[jackson13]

I had a dream last night that I was pitching against Pedro Martinez, and I threw a perfect strike, but for some reason he thought I was throwing at him, so he came at me and I tackled him and then it was beat down time. It was so realistic too. The whole team I was on (Cubs, who else) just ganged up on him and beat the piss out of him. It was like "High Fidelity" where we just grabbed whatever to beat him with. I remember grabbing a baseball bat and slamming him in the head a few times, and then my alarm clock went off.

I knew I didnt like Pedro, but not that much. Kinda scared me really.

[daddiefatsacks]

Damon to Shave Beard for Charity (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpa2lpNnFzBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0 bQ--?slug=ap-damonsbeard&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Good on ya Jonny

[horrorfreak13]

The Blue Jays really beat the shit out of the Royals 9-3 it was nice to see Pat Hentgen have a good start especially with the amazing run support he had in the 1st inning.

You know there must have been what 5,000 people at that game last night in Kansas City at least that's what it looked like.

[CrazyKillah]

What's up with those red-hot Jays?

Anyway, back to the Sox :D They broke their mini-slump tonight with a 5-3 victory over the Indians (man, their bullpen sucks!). The Diva got knocked around early, but settled down and K'd something like 11 batters and I think he retired the last 16 he faced. This is two games in a row that he's gotten roughed up early and then gotten into a sweet grove.

I hope the Angels whip the Yankees asses! That team is playing soooo well and they still have like 5 guys on the DL!

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
What's up with those red-hot Jays?

Anyway, back to the Sox :D They broke their mini-slump tonight with a 5-3 victory over the Indians (man, their bullpen sucks!). The Diva got knocked around early, but settled down and K'd something like 11 batters and I think he retired the last 16 he faced. This is two games in a row that he's gotten roughed up early and then gotten into a sweet grove.

I hope the Angels whip the Yankees asses! That team is playing soooo well and they still have like 5 guys on the DL!


we are seeing almost vintage Diva. If you think about it he usualy would cough a few up early and then be fine while getting no run support. Diva has now pitched two Diva games in a row and I like it. First 6 outs, all K's.....oh the memories of years gone by....yes I had visions of 21 strikeouts dancing through my head....oops, this is 2004, didnt think he had it it him.

He pitched great, did his thing, two in a row that I will take.

[horrorfreak13]

Roger Clemens is 7-0 :eek: I know he's good but I didn't think he was still this good at 40.

The Blue Jays winning streak end with Roy Halladay on the mond but the Royals had a good game I guess but it's only one loss.

What a night last night Roy Halladay, Pedro Martinez, Kerry Wood, and Roger Clemens on the same night.

[daddiefatsacks]

wow man i come home to see the jays have smoked the BoSox 12-6...and schilling pitched!!

lovin it.

O DAWG tearin it up!

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
wow man i come home to see the jays have smoked the BoSox 12-6...and schilling pitched!!

lovin it.

O DAWG tearin it up! Yes, the ENTIRE Sox teamed played horribly and the Jays are on an ass-kickin' spree. Hopefully, Trot and Nomar will return sometime this year to right the ship. I hate to be the pessimistic Sox fan, but I have a bad feeling that this team is headed down the shitter... and fast. That three game sweep in the Bronx seemes like months ago. They find themselves in 2nd place for the first time in like 3-4 weeks. The crappy part is that sinkerballer Derek Lowe goes tomorrow - couple his recent horrible outings with the fast astroturf and the BoSox should be in for a long night :(

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Yes, the ENTIRE Sox teamed played horribly and the Jays are on an ass-kickin' spree. Hopefully, Trot and Nomar will return sometime this year to right the ship. I hate to be the pessimistic Sox fan, but I have a bad feeling that this team is headed down the shitter... and fast. That three game sweep in the Bronx seemes like months ago. They find themselves in 2nd place for the first time in like 3-4 weeks. The crappy part is that sinkerballer Derek Lowe goes tomorrow - couple his recent horrible outings with the fast astroturf and the BoSox should be in for a long night :(

Spoken like a true Red Sox fan ;)

Have no fear, this team will be fine. Its always like this...ups and downs, and more downs, a few ups. We just have to ride this injury bug a little longer and then wait for all the parts to click. This isnt shaping up to be a fun first half so far but dont worry, come October this team will have all the bullets inits chamber that it needs.

For now tho lets hope Shil wont be missing his next start.

[horrorfreak13]

Schilling has always pitched horribly against the Jays he's 0-2 now against them and has never pitched well against even going back to Phily in the World Series.

This is a series the Blue Jays can show what they are made off with winning this one tonight and how much better can you get than Pedro-Halladay 3 on Sunday I know Pedro has taked the first 2 but I can see Halladay taking this one but it will be exciting

[CrazyKillah]

Well, despite their best efforts to blow a fairly decent outing for Derek Lowe, the Sox managed to get to the Toronto bullpen for a win and hopefully end this little slide they've been on. Unfortunately for them, the Yankees carry on with their winning ways. Has anyone heard the recent trade RUMOR concerning Carlos Beltran going to the Sox. Supposedly, the proposed deal has Kim and Johnny Damon going to the Mariners for Garcia. The Sox would then trade Garcia to the Royals for Beltran in hopes of signing him to a long term deal after the season. Interesting, buy probably BS... still, Beltran WILL BE TRADED sometime this year... it's just a matter of to whom ;)

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Has anyone heard the recent trade RUMOR concerning Carlos Beltran going to the Sox. Supposedly, the proposed deal has Kim and Johnny Damon going to the Mariners for Garcia. The Sox would then trade Garcia to the Royals for Beltran in hopes of signing him to a long term deal after the season. Interesting, buy probably BS... still, Beltran WILL BE TRADED sometime this year... it's just a matter of to whom ;)

I would bet more on BS. Right now for the Yankees Kenny Lofton and Bernie Williams are stuggling and the more they struggle guess what is going to happen.

[Haddonfield]

I thinking that trade is also BS and born out of the fact that KIm is now on the open market for whoever wants him. The Bosox need some offensive punch big time right now but that trade doesnt sound right...Damon is very over paid and I cant see Seatle taking his contract.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
I thinking that trade is also BS and born out of the fact that KIm is now on the open market for whoever wants him. The Bosox need some offensive punch big time right now but that trade doesnt sound right...Damon is very over paid and I cant see Seatle taking his contract. Oh, I certainly agree with you and horrorfreak13 in feeling that this will not come to be - just heard it and figured I'd throw it out there for discussion. Damon is way overpaid, but there's something I still LOVE about the guy - I can't quite put a finger on it. You're right about needing some offensive punch though. The latest that I had heard (from redsox.com) was that it was possible that Trot would begin a Class A assignment by the end of the week.

[Haddonfield]

Damon is a very likable person. Even before his captain caveman look a like contest. He has always been nice, funny, a decent ball player and what baseball fan wouldnt love that? Now he has started something big with his Damon Diciples and has become even bigger around New England. But the problem is he isnt a true leadoff hitter and he is making too much money....his shaggy beard and long hair means nothing to Theo when it comes to Moneyball. In a perfect world they keep Damon but find a real leadoff hitter so Jonny can become a 6 or 7 guy but thats not going to happen.

[Indiana Sev]

Loved seeing the highlights to Randy Johnson's PERFECT game last night; the first since David Cone's in '99.

For me, nothing beats a perfect game in baseball! It broke my heart to see Mussina come so close a few years ago and not get it.

Makes me want to pop in my DVD of For Love of the Game all over again. Quite similar actually, both pitchers nearing the end of their careers, never having pitched a perfect game.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/image/2001/play/unit1028.jpg

[jackson13]

Yes, that was wonderful last night. Being a former pitcher who pitched a little league perfect game, and a big fan of The Big Unit, I was estatic when I read it on the internet. Congrats Randy!

[horrorfreak13]

I watched the end of that game and that was amazing that Randy Johnson did that even Turner field game him an applause coming into the 9th inning which was great to see because not too many people can say they attended a game and a pitcher thew a perfect game or a no hitter because they are rare.

[daddiefatsacks]

40 years young, way to go Randy Johnson, I have never liked you at all, but...you certainly showed you have done pretty much everything a pitcher could do in your career, Hall of Fame is a lock

[Haddonfield]

I wonder where Randy will be pitching by the end of the season? He will be moves, question is where....Boston? New York? Angels? Baltimore?

[daddiefatsacks]

crazy game tonite in toronto

anaheim goes back to back to back in one inning
Miller hits 3 and doesnt get tossed, but Lackey hits one and does...
and the ending was messed...where was Weber?

I like this Reds team, especially now that JR is on track, and Graves already has 21 saves!

[CrazyKillah]

Damn, the Sox are one banged up team. With Billy Mueller going out with knee surgery, they now have a third of their starting lineup on the DL - somehow, they manage to keep winning, last night spanking Tim Hudson's ass!

[horrorfreak13]

Well there are rumors of Carlos Delgado to LA that just won't stop and could probably happen this season the more likely the Blue Jays end up out of the playoff hunt by the all-star break.

In fact after a rumored deal was completed with LA forJuan Encarnacion and minor league pitcher Brian Morris J.P. Riccardi quickly denied it since there isn't a guy named Brain Morris in the Dodgers orgainization.

Ricciardi said "Yeah, so basically we were trading for a player to be named later who didn't have a name yet. That's a pretty good one on me, I've never heard of one like that."

I still find it strange there is a 1 day break between the Anaheim-Toronto games never seen that before.

[daddiefatsacks]

you want to talk injuries, look at the jays

starting catcher cash 15 day dl
back up catcher myers 60 day dl
starting Lf catalanatto 15 day dl
starting ss woodward 15 day dl
starting 2b hudson day to day
starting 1b delgado day to day/dh

yeah...but the scabs come in and save the day for us!! Greg Zaun is amazing

and now we've finally called up ALEX RIOS

watch out..he will run shit

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
you want to talk injuries, look at the jays

starting catcher cash 15 day dl
back up catcher myers 60 day dl
starting Lf catalanatto 15 day dl
starting ss woodward 15 day dl
starting 2b hudson day to day
starting 1b delgado day to day/dh

yeah...but the scabs come in and save the day for us!! Greg Zaun is amazing

and now we've finally called up ALEX RIOS

watch out..he will run shit


After the past sweep of the Jays the Sox have dusted themselved off from any run the Jays will have. Id hate to have a team where you know its already over in May. See you in October :) lol

I kid I kid!!

[horrorfreak13]

The Blue Jays sweep the Angels and all 1 run wins they seem to always play well against them too nice to see Alex Rios in his first MLB game going 1-4 he's supposed to be a huge prospect placed 6th in Baseball America's top prospects.

Now to Texas where they are 26-20? and the Mariners are 17-29?

[CrazyKillah]

Oh, great days are here! I just read on redsox.com that Nomar will begin his rehab in AAA Pawtucket on Sunday. Nixon is also set to start in A ball this week. An offensive wrecking ball will soon be coming to your town, so get your tickets now :D

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Oh, great days are here! I just read on redsox.com that Nomar will begin his rehab in AAA Pawtucket on Sunday. Nixon is also set to start in A ball this week. An offensive wrecking ball will soon be coming to your town, so get your tickets now :D

yes indeed...as I watch Curt strikeout two in a row this afternoon....Nomar is in Pawtucket today!!!!!!!!!!!

Its strange because I dont think The Diva or Curt have been as good as they can be so far somehow they are 1 and 2 in K's so far.

[horrorfreak13]

Ok now William Hung sings "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" during the 7th inning stretch at the Skydome yesterday isn't his 15 minutes up yet.

The Blue Jays are tearing it up but they let one slip away stranding 14 runners on base and going 1-8 with runners in scoring position.

Well at least the Yankees lost anybody wonder where Derek Jeter's bat has gone to man has he ever slipped off the face of the earth this year or what.

Tonight it's the West coast travel with Seattle.

[CrazyKillah]

Derek Lowe sucks! Man, this guy has been horrible lately. The way things are going, he'll be lucky if he's not flipping burgers this time next year. "I'm gonna test the free agent market." HA! Good luck with that! I say trade the bastard while you can still get something for him!

[kdawg]

Lowe has been sucking recently but I wouldn't give up yet. He's a good pitcher and I think he will pull out of it.

My Mets finally won a game after losing four in a row. We really killed our selfs this weekend against Florida.

Can anyone tell me where Chipper Jones has gone too. I know he's been hurt a little but my God, he's killing my fantasy team.

[horrorfreak13]

What it this Halladay is scrated(Blue Jays still win with Jason Kershner as their pitcher) Justin Miller is now on the disabled list that officialy puts 6 Jays on the 15 day disabled list and 1 on the 60 day disabled list and 3 day to day that's 9-10 injuries.

First it's the Leafs then the Raptors then the Leafs then the Raptors now the Blue Jays. Is there some curse on Toronto sports teams that I'm not aware of is some city out in Western Canada have a voodoo doll or something becuase this is ridiculous.

[jackson13]

Goddamn Cubs are really starting to piss me off. I wish everyone would get their asses off the disabled so that the team will be back up to what it used to be. Losing 8 out of the last 11, what have we become? The Cubs of old?


Whats really sad is, they are still in 3rd place. NL Central is tighter than a virgin on prom night.

[CrazyKillah]

Well, jackson, that makes two of us that are being pissed off by our teams right now. The Red Sox are stinking it up bigtime! The pitching was their bread and butter earlier in the year, now... well, let's just say that it's been better. Hopefully, they can right the ship before they fall too far behind. The good news is that it looks like Nomar will be back for the Padres series. Cheer up, though. I heard that Prior had an excellent outing in his first start of the year.

[horrorfreak13]

The Cubs have to hope that the Reds start falling and the way Griffey is swinging that bat it dosen't look like it plus with the Cardinals and Astros this division is going to be way too close to call.

Right now the Cubs and Blue Jays have the same damn problem and that's too many damn players on the DL except the Blue Jays are in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox where 1 player from each of these teams makes about 65% of the Blue nJays entire payroll and they haven't even played the Yankees yet.

[Haddonfield]

The Jays are still sort of in it, I want to say they are 8 and a half back. NY has caught fire and Boston had a good weekend after a very bad week. Look for Nomar to be back tomorrow. That will help the cause....the 3, 4, and 5 hitters will be Nomar, Manny, and Ortiz. Throw Nixon behind that in a few weeks and the offensive machine from last year could start up again.

Lowe finally pitched a game where his ERA went DOWN when he was done. Been awhile since that happened. Im not back on his bandwagon but his sinker was finally working and he was strong. Now if only The Diva could get moving.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
The Jays are still sort of in it, I want to say they are 8 and a half back. NY has caught fire and Boston had a good weekend after a very bad week. Look for Nomar to be back tomorrow. That will help the cause....the 3, 4, and 5 hitters will be Nomar, Manny, and Ortiz. Throw Nixon behind that in a few weeks and the offensive machine from last year could start up again.


They Jays have to get their players back first Delgado is still out, Hudson should be back soon, and is last night is any witness they really need Halladay back.

The Blue Jays are doing fine now but that won't last long if these guys are out any longer and Halladay should be back soon anyways hopefully. They still haven't played the Yankees yet and they did alright last year against them.

[Thrizzle]

Toronto has very little chance due to the powerhouse ballclubs in their divison. In my opinion, NY and Boston are the only two teams in the East that can get to the postseason. Baltimore has a good team but they dont have pitching.





Any Angels fans here?

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Toronto has very little chance due to the powerhouse ballclubs in their divison. In my opinion, NY and Boston are the only two teams in the East that can get to the postseason. Baltimore has a good team but they dont have pitching.





Any Angels fans here? I'm not exactly an Angel's fan, but I respect them after what they did to my BoSox a bit ago. They lack starting pitching, but their bullpen is great (Franky Rodriguez has unbelievable stuff!) and their backups are filling in nicely in the order where they've had key injuries. They are a lot like the Sox in that, when their crippled-ass team finally comes together... WATCH OUT!

[horrorfreak13]

I'm going to be excited for the Dodgers-Blue Jays series as I get to watch Eric Gagne maybe have an opportunity to continue his consecutive save streak. I think Milton Bradley comes back as well are we going to see him with another temper tantrum iin Toronto or what?

Also Chris Carpenter is 7-1 :confused: WTF? He never did that in Toronto or even came close to 7 or 8 wins during a season and now he's one of the best pitchers in the league FUCK!!!

[CrazyKillah]

Hey Haddonfield,
Was that vintage Diva enough for you tonight, or what? Let's just hope that he's really back to form and this wasn't just a fluke (can you tell I'm a lifelong Sox fan or what?). I was actually surprised by how well Wells pitched. That was quite the duel, actually. Now, if Nomar and Trot and Williamson just get back soon...

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Hey Haddonfield,
Was that vintage Diva enough for you tonight, or what? Let's just hope that he's really back to form and this wasn't just a fluke (can you tell I'm a lifelong Sox fan or what?). I was actually surprised by how well Wells pitched. That was quite the duel, actually. Now, if Nomar and Trot and Williamson just get back soon...


Vintage indeed. He keeps that up and Ill have to start calling him Pedro again. He was masterful again, very nice to see.

For me Wells is a very good pitcher he just has that Lowe tendency to let his emotions get the better of him but he is a much better pitcher than Lowe obviously.

I was dissapointed Nomar didnt play last night, he was too busy going 0-3 and seeing 7 pitches in Pawtucket. Im hearing maybe Friday now he will be back.

[horrorfreak13]

Blue Jays beat up on the Dodgers 7-1 either the Blue Jays hitting is starting to get back or Hideo Nomo has hit his best before date.

Plus the Blue Jays will have Hudson and Delgado by the weekend.

[PapaJupe2k]

Another chapter of drama in the Cubs/Cardinals rivalry today. I wish the Cardinals would just concentrate on playing ball instead of whether or not the Cubs are stealing signs, geez, Derek Lee almost gets decapitated because of it! For those who didn't see it, Matt Morris walks off the rubber and stares down Micheal Barrett who is on second and he thinks is tipping location and giving signs to the hitter. The next inning he throws at Derek Lee's head on the orders of Tony LaRussa. It's one thing to pitch inside, but to throw at a guys head and try to injure him is another. Maybe it just got away from Morris... but I think everyone in the ballpark knew LaRussa told him to do it, hell even Lee pointed at the dugout and stared him down.

LaRussa is a brilliant manager, but personally I always considered him a pile of shit, even dating back to his days in the American League. I have no repect for the man personally. Rant over.

The Cubbies are looking like a walking MASH unit. Once they get all their horses back I think they've got what it takes to win the Central. The Reds will wither as the summer heats up and the Cardinals and Astros dont have the pitching to measure up. So at this point I'm unconcerned... well maybe a little concerned.

[kdawg]

Well my Mets lost another one tonight b/c they can't hit worth a crap. They are one of the few teams that can make a no name pitcher like Santana look like freakin Cy Young. Even with losing 2 in a row, we are only 4.5 out since the Marlins seem to want to keep things interesting. Anyways if we can stay in it by the trade deadline, we should be able to pick up a bat to help Piazza. As far as the rest of the MLB goes I see Nomar came back tonight and that should put the Bo Sox back on top. With Pedro back to where he shoul be and Nixon coming back soon the bats should heat back up like last yrs. squad and the AL East should get interesting. Prior looked horrible today but I thought Dusty pulled him a little too early. Give the man a chance to redeem himself, I mean my God he's your main man, or at leat one or 'em. Can anyone tell me how the Twins are as good as they are? I mean they are never the best but they seem to be on top almost every yr and with hardly any stars. Tori Hunter is good but not a All Star. I guess they have what I wish the Mets had, HEART. Anyways the Mets have a chance to win the third game tom. night before heading to K.C. We should take two of three from them but the way things are going, who knows.

[daddiefatsacks]

3 of my fave players this year

- Reed Johnson
- Gregg Zaun
- Howie Clark

what was up with Prior suckin ass today?

also, watch highlights of the Mariners/Astros game and check out Winn's catch!

[jackson13]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
what was up with Prior suckin ass today?


Morris was just as bad. Just one of those days in Wrigleyville I guess. Today will be a win, Zamby is pitching.

[horrorfreak13]

What a pitching performance by Miguel Batista that's his 4th straight good start and with Delgado and Hudson expected back Tuesday and Halladay back Saturday the Blue Jays seem to be getting all of their players back.

How about Howie Clark 2 straight games with a HR and was that strange in the 9th when Dave Roberts got tagged up at 2nd base.

[CrazyKillah]

Alright... that's two consecutive Diva-esque games from The Diva (though he wasn't quite as sharp in tonight's win). That makes the BoSox 4-2 in interleague play... now, if only the fucking Yankees would cool off a little. I think that they're 16-3 in their last 19. Anyone else psyched about tomorrow night's Clemens versus Prior match-up!

[horrorfreak13]

Alright let me get this straight Toronto plays Arizona and they broadcast the first 2 games and there is no TV for when Randy Johnson pitches WTF? I know the Blue Jays lost but it would have been nice to see Randy Johnson one of the best pitchers in the last 15 years come to Toronto and will probably never be back there again.

Now the Blue Jays travel to San francisco to play Barry Bonds it will be intresting to see how the Blue Jays pitch to Barry

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
Alright... that's two consecutive Diva-esque games from The Diva (though he wasn't quite as sharp in tonight's win). That makes the BoSox 4-2 in interleague play... now, if only the fucking Yankees would cool off a little. I think that they're 16-3 in their last 19. Anyone else psyched about tomorrow night's Clemens versus Prior match-up!


Someone please tell the Yanks thats its OK to lose a game...no really...please lose a game!!!

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Someone please tell the Yanks thats its OK to lose a game...no really...please lose a game!!!

I know but they will their pitching isn't great and Kevin Brown's out the Yankees can't score 7 runs every night.

Vernon Wells ios now on the DL like this is ridiclous the Blue Jays best 2 hitters are out now Delgado will be back soon but this is unreal.

Also it's bad enough that MLB has screwed the Expos the past 10 years and drove the fans away from the team but last night was complete bullshit top of the 11th Minnesota player hits a HR that was clearly fucking foul and it was ruled fair the Expos lost good job MLB you did it to the Expos again.

[horrorfreak13]

Holy whacko Batman this thread is even deader than it was during last year's World Series. Anybody out there anybody I think more people in Canada watched the NBA playoffs the past week than visited this thread.

The Blue Jays play Tampa Bay who is on a 11 game winning streak :eek: WTF? This is Tampa Bay the team with nothing why are they all of a sudden winning.

Also it would be nice to see the Blue Jays get Vernon Wells and Carlos Delgado off the DL I know it was hard for them to compete this year but it's even harder when your best players are out of the lineup.

[kdawg]

The reason this thread is dead is b/c even though it's called the "Official MLB 2004 Thread", all anyone talks about really is the Blue Jays. Now there is nothing wrong with Toronto, in fact they have some really good players, but to call it a MLB thread is not right. You have to admit, the Blue Jays aren't really the most popular team around, espicially in the states. If you are going to call it a MLB thead, then you need to talk about all teams. Now I know there are a few refrences to other teams here and there, but mainly Blue Jays, and thats why not many people are responding.

[Haddonfield]

I just think that we arent as passtionate about Baseball as we are about Hockey as a whole.

[CrazyKillah]

Plus, the MLB season is ENDLESS (heh, I love it) - therefore, we have to pace ourselves :D Plus, we're not even at the All-Star break yet. We still have the trade deadline, penant chases, and the playoffs to get psyched about. There has been quite the focus on the Jays and BoSox recently, but it's not like fans of any other teams aren't welcome to home in and talk shit!

[Haddonfield]

Speaking of our BoSox, nice to see Nomar jack that grand slam.

And two early AL MVP faves...Vlad and Ortiz.

[horrorfreak13]

I'm still im amazment that the Devil Rays have won now 12 straight games yes Tampa the team that's been horrible for the past 6 or 7 years.

It's amazing we are near July and the Blue Jays still haven't played the Yankees yet.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Speaking of our BoSox, nice to see Nomar jack that grand slam.

And two early AL MVP faves...Vlad and Ortiz. My early AL MVP faves (I don't watch enough NL games to make an educated stab)...

Manny Ramirez - .339 ave, 19 HR, 50 RBI
Vladdy Guerrero - .349 ave, 17 HR, 65 RBI
David Ortiz - .297 ave, 16 HR, 65 RBI
Pudge Rodriguez - .360 ave, 9 HR, 48 RBI
A Rod - .295 ave, 18 HR, 44 RBI

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
My early AL MVP faves (I don't watch enough NL games to make an educated stab)...

Manny Ramirez - .339 ave, 19 HR, 50 RBI
Vladdy Guerrero - .349 ave, 17 HR, 65 RBI
David Ortiz - .297 ave, 16 HR, 65 RBI
Pudge Rodriguez - .360 ave, 9 HR, 48 RBI
A Rod - .295 ave, 18 HR, 44 RBI

Out of all those guys I'd have to give the nod right now to Guerrero especially with the injures the Angels have had this year and his abatting average is a little bit better than Ramirez and Ortiz who are a very close 2nd and 3rd.

Tonight can Tampa win 13 straight games :eek: please can these guys lose a game sometime this week.

[jackson13]

I can only name 2 names for NL All-Star nods: Derek Lee and Carlos Zambrano.


Lee is the hottest hitter in the NL right now, and kept his streak going last night and Zamby is one of the best pitchers in all of baseball, AL and NL combined. He has the second lowest ERA in all of the NL and it keeps droping even more with every game.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Beltran was traded to Houston this is going to make it very intresting in that NL Central with the Cubs, Reds, Cards, and Astros 2 teams could very well be left in the dust which is unfortunate since these 4 teams seem like very good teams.

Also with the All-Stars I think it was a nice classy move by Joe Torre to name Carlos Tosca and Tony Pena as managers to the AL All-Star team and Tosca has done a good job with the team despite their 2 best hitters are out right now.

Also with the NL All-Stars I think it's not debatable about Scott Rolen being on the team he leads the NL in RBIs I think Lee and Zambrano should be there I'm not sure about starting since the way it's going I think it's a no brainer who the starting pitcher will end up being Roger Clemens and it's not just because he plays in Houston he's having a great year for them right now I still dought it he will end up with 20 wins because there's a long way to go

[Haddonfield]

Not only do I expect the Rocket to get 20 wins, the Cy Young is his too. I just cant doubt the guy when he is motivated and he is having the time of his life being home again. This guy is one focused maschine right now. Mush like his years with the Jays only he is at peace now rather than trying to prove a point to the Red Sox.

[kdawg]

I gotta disagree. I think Clemens is a fantastic pitcher and is having a great year, however, I have noticed lately that he has been tailing off a little bit and he seems to not have his fastball working like he did earlier. Now I could be totally wrong and he could have a great 2nd half, but I feel his age will play a factor and that he will end up with around 14 to 15 wins by the end of the season. Look for Tom Glavine to win the Cy Young this yr. This guy deserves to be starting in the All Star game, Hands Down.

[Haddonfield]

I cant agree with tha win total, like any player...barring an injury, he already has 10 wins before the All Star break, 14 or 15 for the year seems a little low.

[horrorfreak13]

I think Roger Clemens will win at least 18 and can get 20 if he stays injury free and at the age that he is at that could be a concern but he deserves to be starting in the all-star game and that's not even debatable.

I don't know if the Cy Young is his though Jaosn Schmidt is 10-2 has won 10 straight games and could challenge him for it and also if Eric Gagne keeps saving games he makes it look so easy.

[bmain77]

I haven't posted in here in awhile but the Pistons run sort of distracted me...

Holy shit!!!! The Tiger win their 3rd in a row on a walk-off homerun and Dave Dombrowski is actually thinking of adding pieces for a wild card run this season. If they are still floating around .500 at the break he's going to be leaning towards helping the Tigers for this year rather than looking to next season. I know its sort of pathetic, but I'm having almost as much fun watching these Tigers play as I did watching the Pistons come together late in the season and through the playoff run.

It's been a good 4 or 5 years since the TIgers were even relevant this late into the season. Maybe some Detroit Piston mojo is rubbing off on them.

[Haddonfield]

Anyone get the feeling we may be seeing a different Red Sox team in a few weeks?

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Anyone get the feeling we may be seeing a different Red Sox team in a few weeks?

If they lose 3 straight to the Yankees that could very well happen in fact the Randy Johnson rumors have now been created I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox or god forbid the Yankees go after him and if they do get him we are all doomed.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
If they lose 3 straight to the Yankees that could very well happen in fact the Randy Johnson rumors have now been created I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox or god forbid the Yankees go after him and if they do get him we are all doomed.


I am drooling over the Red Sox getting Randy Johnson AND SOON! Thankfully the Yanks farm system has been supposedly bled dry after the last 5 or 6 years and the BoSox do have some interesting kids to trade. They were very close to landing Beltran but I am glad they didnt because pitching is the way to go.

Just imagine this if you will...

1. Pedro Martinez
2. Curt Schilling
3. Randy Johnson
4. Derek Lowe
5. Tim Wakefield

They all have over 100 career wins and thats four 20 games winners.

That should wake the team up, dont ya think?

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Anyone get the feeling we may be seeing a different Red Sox team in a few weeks? I'd love to see them make a deal for a new firstbaseman. I've hung in there for Millar long enough - not only can he not field, but this year he can't even hit (what's he got, like 25 RBI?). I also think that Theo is still steaming mad from getting beat out for Beltran and Garcia... mad enough to make a move for a big gun... insert Randy Johnson? I know everyone keeps saying that he's staying put, but that fucking team sucks! Unload him now and not to the evil empire! The BoSox NEED to win game two of this big series tonight. I think that the A's have actually caught them in the wildcard standings now, too.

[horrorfreak13]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Just imagine this if you will...

1. Pedro Martinez
2. Curt Schilling
3. Randy Johnson
4. Derek Lowe
5. Tim Wakefield

They all have over 100 career wins and thats four 20 games winners.

That should wake the team up, dont ya think?

That would be a great pitching staff if Derek Lowe gets off of whatever planet he's been on this year since he has'n been great and Tim Wakefeld he is a good pitcher but I don't think he has a win since May.

Plus besides Oakland you have Minnesota and the White Sox tied for their division a game back, and Anaheim 1.5 back and Tampa Bay :confused: 4.5 back this is really close right now and if the Yankees win the next 2 games you can almost kiss the division goodbye

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
I'd love to see them make a deal for a new firstbaseman. I've hung in there for Millar long enough - not only can he not field, but this year he can't even hit (what's he got, like 25 RBI?). I also think that Theo is still steaming mad from getting beat out for Beltran and Garcia... mad enough to make a move for a big gun... insert Randy Johnson? I know everyone keeps saying that he's staying put, but that fucking team sucks! Unload him now and not to the evil empire! The BoSox NEED to win game two of this big series tonight. I think that the A's have actually caught them in the wildcard standings now, too.


Im starting to get nervous but I think we will se what happened to NY happen to us. After NY got killed by the Sox they have been on a run ever since, I think we will lose 2 out of 3, maybe get swept, but after we will have our own streak.

As far as Cowboy Up Guy goes, I agree, he hasnt hit for a year now and his D is pretty bad. We dont need to trade for a new 1st baseman in reality because we have Ortiz and McCarty who are both better than him with the glove.

This team is too loaded to not make the playoffs and not worried yet. They have scored a ton of runs and have the best AL ERA...its the fielding and HUGE amount of unearned runs that have killed them now for two months.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by horrorfreak13
That would be a great pitching staff if Derek Lowe gets off of whatever planet he's been on this year since he has'n been great and Tim Wakefeld he is a good pitcher but I don't think he has a win since May.


Untill yesterday's game, Lowe got his act together. I want to way he only gave up 1 earned run in his last 3 starts before yesterday. He is still too streaky, but if they do infact pick up a Randy Johnson type pitcher, he wont be used that much if they make the playoffs. Plus, the Sox did give up 6 unearned runs last night, 5 of which were charged to DLowe, so his ERA may have went DOWN after yesterday.

[RicochetShaw]

Who else wants Millar OFF the team?

[CrazyKillah]

Mark my words... if the BoSox play half as shitty in July as they did in June, it won't be just Millar that'll find himself unemployed or playing for another team at season's end. They have a number of veteran players in contract years that could very easily get dumped if they don't turn things around... and FAST! The defense is the worst that I've ever seen it... fucking HORRIBLE! They totally blew a masterful pitching performance by Wake tonight and ought to be grateful if their wives don't make them sleep on the couch for playing so shittily (think I made that word up). 7.5 games out? 8 back in the loss column? WTF? This was the team, on paper, at least, that was going to run all over baseball this year. Like they say, "that's why they play the games". I can't wait to check out the Boston papers tomorrow. They'll call for Nomars head and he'll whine about how poorly he's been treated by the media :mad: Fuck 'em. I'm this close to writing this team off and forgetting about the whole thing. Sometimes I think I care more about the team than the players do. Go D-Rays!

[chasingbanky]

I cannot believe no one commented on last nights Epic battle between the Yanks and the BoSox....That was easily my favorite sporting event since maybe the best game of my lifetime which was game 7 last year....Fucking Mo is so much fun to watch, and Jeter showing up everyone at the end was spectacular......Sheff at third was pretty funny to see too.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by chasingbanky
I cannot believe no one commented on last nights Epic battle between the Yanks and the BoSox....That was easily my favorite sporting event since maybe the best game of my lifetime which was game 7 last year....Fucking Mo is so much fun to watch, and Jeter showing up everyone at the end was spectacular......Sheff at third was pretty funny to see too.


I was crushed after seeing the highlights. Aaahhh.

[horrorfreak13]

I just want to comment you know it was Canada Day on Thursday to which neither of Montreal or Toronto were at home for that day and they play each other on the weekend could they play in Montreal for the holiday weekend NO!!!! they fucking play in Puerto Rico proof that Bug Selig really gives a shit about baseball in Canada well especially in Montreal but we have all known that for the past 5 years.

Boston better start getting it to together soon or the Red Sox front office will go completly insane

[chasingbanky]

Brenly got canned............:D

[Haddonfield]

As I predicted the Yanks are hitting a wall after the Red Sox series....but unlike I predicted the Sox are still stuck a little bit. I see signs that the Sox are starting to play better but Lowe got crushed today. The game isnt over yet but oh well.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
As I predicted the Yanks are hitting a wall after the Red Sox series....but unlike I predicted the Sox are still stuck a little bit. I see signs that the Sox are starting to play better but Lowe got crushed today. The game isnt over yet but oh well. The Sox are beginning to play better, but winning they are not. I hate to sound like the eternally-pessimistic Sox fan, but this team is fading fast . They need to take 2 out of 3 from both the A's and the Rangers this week and end the unofficial first half on a high note. I never would have thought that they would be this far back this early in the season, but here we are... 7.5 back in the AL East and 2.5 out in the AL Wildcard. Someone needs to be fired (Francona - yeah, I said it) and someone needs to be traded (Nomar? - yeah, I said that too - they won't be able to resign this guy after this year - get something for him while you still can).

[bmain77]

Man what was up with the umps throughout the Yankee's/Tigers series. I thought Yan getting ran for his throw at A-Rod was a joke. The ball just got away form him.:D

Then in game 2 Sturtze's beeming of I-Rod was possibly warranted, but the ump should have warned the teams then instead of waiting for Urbina to nail Sheffield. Then the fact that Urbina didn't get tossed really was a bad call. All that did was possibly let wounds fester more for game three.

Now in game 3 both Trammel and Pudge got the boot at the top of the first inning. Pudge's was a joke. He was back in the dugout. The Ump should have been big enough to let it go there. I wish to god it was Gibby who ran out after the ump instead of Tramm. Gibson's temper is much more explosive than Tramms and it would have been much more fun seeing Gibby trying to get booted on purpose. Trammel really had to work at it, because you know he was doing it on purpose to make a point.

[RicochetShaw]

Wow, anyone see Manny's shot tonight? It hit the top of the Coca-Cola bottle. :eek:

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Wow, anyone see Manny's shot tonight? It hit the top of the Coca-Cola bottle. :eek:


That was a MOON shot.

Manny is good for two or three coke bottle shots during the season.

Nice to see the Sox get a couple wins again.

[horrorfreak13]

You want to see a moon shot look at Josh Phelps' grand slam last night in the 5th deck and not a lot of them end up there and 7 RBIs last night he's making a case to stay in the lineup it was also nice to see the Yankees lose to the Tigers.

Also Pudge and Trammell ejected in the 1st inning let's replace those two with the Joe Torre and Jeter or any Yankee player would they get ejected I highly dought it.

[Haddonfield]

anyone catch that great run by Damon last night? As soon as I saw him rounding third I litterly screamed "THERE SENDING HIM?!?!?!?!"

Great end to a solid game overall.

[bmain77]

If it's true that Bonds is getting paid extra to appear in the home run derby I'm going to be so fucking pissed. He's denying it so we'll see, but its been reported all day on ESPN and on sports radio that he was being compensated by MLB for having to give up his day off to compete.

I wonder what people like Sammy Sosa and everyone else involved think about this. I have a hard time believing that anyone involved isn't being compensated in some way. I have a hard time believing they are all doing it for free. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. :D

On some level I should respect Bonds for the way he gets under my skin like no other athlete, actor, politician etc... has ever done. Nearly everytime he opens his mouth my hatred for him grows and grows. I think Bonds is the only athlete in the history of sports for whom and I would cheer if I was in attendance at a game in which he was injured on the field.

[horrorfreak13]

Well Griffey was injured Saturday and is now on the DL and will miss the All-Star game man I knew somehow that season by Griffey was too good to be true.

Now that we are halfway some midseason awards.

AL Most surprising team: Texas Rangers
AL Most Disapointing team: Seattle Mariners
AL MVP: Vladimir Guerrero
AL LVP(Least Valuable Player): Pick any Mariner player
AL Cy Young: Mark Mulder

NL Most Surprising team: (tie) San Diego Padres, Milwakee Brewers
NL Most Disapointing team: Houston Astros
NL MVP: Scott Rolen
NL LVP(Least Valuable Player) Raul Mondesi
NL Cy Young: Jason Schmidt

[CrazyKillah]

Soooo.... who does everyone think the Big Unit will end up with?

a) Boston (please, please, pretty please)
b) Yanks (I swear I'll hang myself)
c) Angels
d) Dodgers
e) some other club
f) he'll stay put in Arizona

[bmain77]

For a minute I was disgusted by the choice of National Anthem singers, but that was followed up with a truly awesome moment having Muhammed Ali coming out for the opening pitch. What a great moment!

[kdawg]

Clemens got rocked tonight. Is anyone else smiling except me? Just as I said this guy did not deserve to start the All Star game. First of all he's a jerk and secondly he has been struggling lately. Okay so Tom Glavine may not have deserved to start either like I said b/c he's been struggling a little as well but J. Shmidt deserved it. Did I miss something b/c I didn't watch every second of the game but I don't think I even saw him pitch come to think of it. Maybe he did and I was to busy on the 'net. Anyways Clemens was shelled tonight and I loved it. He's showing he's age folks. Hang em up rocket, just like the Astros, it's over.

[Chris_R]

First off, I agree that on paper Clemens did not deserve to start. However, if the fans voted for pitchers he would have started anyways so at least the fans get what they want.

Secondly, do you know Clemens personally? I mean, how do you know he's a jerk? What's he done to you?

As for Randy J., A: I see him in Boston. I'd rather see him in St. Louis though. :D


Here's my mid season awards

AL Most surprising team: Royals (suprised they are doing SO freaking bad)
AL Most Disapointing team: Yankees (dissapointed they are in 1st...AGAIN)
AL MVP: Vladimir Guerrero
AL LVP(Least Valuable Player): Not sure
AL Cy Young: Mark Mulder

NL Most Surprising team: Cardinals (they are my team, but I truly had them pegged for a 3rd or 4th place year)
NL Most Disapointing team: Houston Astros (not really that dissapointed though since they are in the central with StL) :D
NL MVP: Scott Rolen
NL LVP(Least Valuable Player) Roger Cedeno
NL Cy Young: Jason Schmidt

[kdawg]

Hey Chris R, it's called an opinion. From the way Clemens acts and carries himself, it seems to me like he's a jerk. No I don't personally know him, but that doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion on the guy. Do you know Charles Manson. No I bet you don't but I bet that you think he's a bad guy. If you like him then thats fine, but there is no reason to bash me b/c I have an opinion about him.

AL MVP-Vlad Guerrero
AL LVP-Sidney Ponson
AL Suprise Team-Tampa Bay
AL Dissapointing Team-Seattle
NL MVP-Scott Rolen
NL LVP-Mike Hampton
NL Suprise Team-New York Mets
NL Dissapointing Team-Houston

[bmain77]

Originally posted by kdawg
He's showing he's age folks. Hang em up rocket, just like the Astros, it's over.

When I'm 40 I hope I'm showing my age the same way Roger shows his by still being one of the top pitchers in the game and could probably play another few years if thats what he wants to do.

[thedudeman69]

geez I live in Atlanta Georgia and I am impressed by The Braves because they keep winning and winning and winning. I think JD Drew is having the best season of his career.

[Chris_R]

Originally posted by kdawg
Hey Chris R, it's called an opinion. From the way Clemens acts and carries himself, it seems to me like he's a jerk. No I don't personally know him, but that doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion on the guy. Do you know Charles Manson. No I bet you don't but I bet that you think he's a bad guy. If you like him then thats fine, but there is no reason to bash me b/c I have an opinion about him.


I wasnt bashing you man, I was just making a point.

As for Charles Manson, Isnt he a convicted mass murderer? To have a bad opinion on someone whose comitted the ultimate crime, AND has also been convicted of it is a big stretch from having a bad opinion of a baseball player.

[CrazyKillah]

Originally posted by bmain77
When I'm 40 I hope I'm showing my age the same way Roger shows his by still being one of the top pitchers in the game and could probably play another few years if thats what he wants to do. Alright, now I've got to throw in my two cents concerning The Rocket. True, the man had a very impressive start to the 2004 campaign and true, it is quite a feat for someone of his age. But, you have to keep in mind that he is in a new league this year. This isn't exactly a guy that was fooling everyone in the AL the last few years (the Sox, in particular had his number). Half the reason he was posting a .500+ record was because he was pitching for the Yanks and they always offered up tons of run support. Now, he is in the NL, where 95% (OK, maybe not that high) of the players have never faced him. He blew everyone's doors off the first run through. Now, however, guys are seeing him for the second, maybe third time and they are making adjustments and his hot streak is certainly cooling off. Look what happened in the All-Star game. He wasn't fooling any of the AL hitters. I'm not trying to somehow state that Clemens sucks or that what he has done in the first half of the season is insignificant, but c'mon... this is a guy that I GUARANTEE will NOT win 20 games this year and WILL NOT finish with an ERA under 3.00. bmain is right, though, he could certainly continue to pitch for a few more years, if he wanted to, but then again, so could any half-way decent starter. The quality of starting pitching in the bigs is at an all-time low and he is The Rocket, so I'm sure that someone would always be willing to sign him. Rant over.

[jackson13]

Clemens was doing good this year........until he met my Cubs.

He got rocked in Houston by them and hasn't been the same since. The All-Star game (1st inning at least) was almost like deja vu for me and for him seeing him get rocked like that again.

I think, after this year, he should keep his dignity and hang em up.

[kdawg]

Nicely put Crazy Killah. As for C. Manson, I'm not comparing the two, I'm simply trying to make a point that people have opinions about everyone. Clemens is a great pitcher. In fact, he's number three behind Ryan and Kofax on my all time pitcher list but I just think that he's tailing off. I didn't mean to tick Clemens fans off and if I did, my bad. Yes he could pitch for another year or so, but I think it may tarnish his career the same as Jordan did a couple years ago.

[Chris_R]

Do you really think Jordan's career is tarnished? Granted, I don't think he should have came back as much as the next guy, but that doesnt change the fact that he was still the greatest to play the game.

Guys get old, and their skills maight slip, but that doesnt tarnish their past accomplishments IMO.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Chris_R
Do you really think Jordan's career is tarnished? Granted, I don't think he should have came back as much as the next guy, but that doesnt change the fact that he was still the greatest to play the game.

Guys get old, and their skills maight slip, but that doesnt tarnish their past accomplishments IMO.

I agree...guys like Jordan and Clemens have earned the right to go out as they want. Hell I was impressed with the way Jordan played when he came back...I only wished that he did it with the better team. He still was better than 70% of the league, but this time he did it with just his head and determination. You have to respect that. With Clemens let me clarify that I think he's a bit of an ass, but I still respect his game. I honestly don't think he's done anything on the field to tarnish his legacy (well ok theres the whole Piazza thing) but nothing to do with is age or skill. Like I said he'd still be a top pitcher in the league for the next couple of years and don't throw out the possibility of him trying on the closer role for a year to two. I don't think he'll do it, it doesn't seem like his style, but who knows.

It's people like Emmit Smith, Fred Mcgriff, Patrick Ewing etc... that I think tarnished their legacy some by sticking around too long. Last season I was willing to give Emmit the benefit of a doubt, but this season is beyond rediculous.

[horrorfreak13]

Alright since everyone been talking about the Rocket here's my 2 cents(hey it helps keeping this thread alive) I still think he's one of the best pitchers of all time and I think he deserves the start he's had a great year as which no one really expected at all. He's also wasn't really popular after he left the Blue Jays they way he did despite pitching 2 of the best or if not the best in his career.

Also I noticed during the video thing of Roger Clemens it goes from him as a Red Sox and then a Yankee despite he never won anything else besides a World Series in NY.

Now for Randy Johnson if he goes to the Yankees than they serioulsly need to fucking change things around MLB it's ridiculous when a team can have a payroll of $100 million more than the next team.

[CrazyKillah]

I still think that the Yanks are beatable even if they do get Johnson. That gives them two (only two) quality starting pitchers... Johnson and Vasquez. Johnson is great, but his ERA will be over 3.00 if he comes to the AL simply due to the fact that he has to face a ninth actual batter - a guy with an ERA of 3.00 is excellent, but not unbeatable. Vasquez has been solid (nothing more, nothing less) for them this year - IMO, their best off-season signing or trade. The three other spots in the rotation seem to change on a week-to-week basis with Leiber being the only one left that would even possibly start a playoff game. Their two set-up men, Gordon and Quantrill (sp) are superb, though and everyone knows that Mo is the man (fuck, I hate saying that), but the rest of their bullpen is shaky at best.