Friday the 13th 5, why the hate?

[XpatrickX]

I understand Jason isn't doing the killing, but why do people always have it rated in their bottom 3 of the series? It was actually my favorite. It delivered on the plot, gore, and fun levels that I always judge a slasher movie on.

[CamaroMatt1996]

I thought it was pretty good. But I feel the Friday Series was parts 1-4. After that, I think it turned into a new series, just didn't have the creepiness of Jason or the storyline. In Part 1 we get the background of Jason, Part 2 We get to see Jason, Part 3 Jason Gets his mask, Part 4 Jason is finished off. I just think after part 4 it got a little redundant. Just like I think the Halloween Series is Parts 1, 2, and 4.

Matt

[John Galt]

I have to say that while it is annoying that Jason isn't the killer, this one I think truly has the most inventive murder sequences, ironically. The hedge-clippers takes the cake.

It also had a real cult appeal for me growing up in the good ol' AY-TAYS!:cool:

Violet is the best non-killing F13 character ever!

[XpatrickX]

Originally posted by John Galt

Violet is the best non-killing F13 character ever!


i like you already:D

agreed.


edit: crazy ralph actually is, but she's second ...

[Elgyn]

This is actually one of my favorites in the series. In some ways it is the epitome of 80`s slasher flicks (kills, tits, goofy characters).
And I too love Violet the robot-dancing 80`s new-wave goth chick!

[poopontheshoes7]

LOL! That part always cracks me up. I like this one a lot. Like you said its got gore, and tits and the weird charectors. Its a fun slasher romp. I actually think the final chase scene was one of the4 best in the series.

[ERIN_LoJ]

This one had one of the higher body counts, not as much gore but some great killings and moments, plenty of T&A and unecessary sex, and a unique enough plot (a mental asylum with tommy returning and flashbacks)


Don't get the hate either

[pyscho dude]

I also don't understand why this sequel is hated so much.

[saintofscars]

Maybe Part 5 was where the series stopped being scary??? It definately got a lot funnier!

I dunno, I enjoyed it too!

[starcat]

definately my favorite in the series....would be cooler if jason was the killer, but atleast jason was in the storyline...

[Antonio]

I don't hate F13-5...I find it one of the most unintentionally hilarious horror movies ever made! Definitely a guilty pleasure to watch when you buy your next dime bag!

[Inglorious]

This is the only one in the series I really like that has one stipulation, that, if not followed, results in dislike...

I can only watch this once a year, or once every two years. Any more than that and it causes dislike, any less and I lose interest. I also do it with Jason Goes To Hell actually, but with that it is once every 2-5 years. Ugh! :o

Rock N Roll!

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by Antonio
I find it one of the most unintentionally hilarious horror movies ever made!

Exactly. Well said! That`s why I consider it one of the best in the series.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by John Galt
Violet is the best non-killing F13 character ever! Agreed, Violet kicked ass.

I always liked 5, it0s gory, has enough nudity and there are good characters. I don't want much more from my Fridays.

[mugwart74]

i would have at agree 5 was fun to watch.the body count is extremely high in this installment.victims were falling left and right.somewhere around 21 victims if im correct,and the movie ws only an hour and a half long.thats entertainment for a horror movie fan.

[Cronos]

i lilke the whole series and i liked the fact that Jason wasnt the killer in this, it made it a bit more original

[XpatrickX]

man some people who hate it need to come out of their shells and fess up:D
we wont bite...

[the dead one]

Thats the same thing I said about Halloweeen 3...Fess up folks!!

I enjoyed this entry in the series, what is curious is the intent of the direction that the series was headed! No one here has yet to touch upon the ending of the film, it is clear that their intention was to show tommy going off the deep end! Picking up where Jason left off...Tommy Jarvis the new Jason! But by part 6 "Jason Lives" that little idea was abandoned for what ever reason.

To be honest it would have been REAL interesting to see what might have been, if Tommy did take up the mantle of Jason.
:cool:

Funniest Moment- When Reggie (Shavar Ross) Screams like a little bitch, when the fake Jason appears before him! LOL :D

Note: we also get an appearence by "Return of the Living Dead's" Miguel A. Núñez Jr. as Demon...Hey come to think of it, by part 6 Tommy is played by Thom Mathews...freddy form ROTLD! Thats wierd:rolleyes:

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by XpatrickX
we wont bite... Speak for yourself, lad.

[!MorganOnyx!]

I don't think A NEW BEGINNING is hated by the fans as much as SEASON OF THE WITCH is hated by the HALLOWEEN fans, but I agree that it gets unnecessarily blasted. So it isn't JASON killing?! So what?!! Just like everyone has said, it's a 'perfect' slasher movie that sums up the 80's. Wickedly ridiculous deaths, ridiculous plot lines, ridiculous characters, ridiculous music and............TITS! :cool:

[XCoRyX]

alot of people, like me, dislike it more just like why we disliked halloween 3 so much, even though pt. 3 wasn't even too bad...so thats my explanation, our favorite killer wasn't in it in the end officially.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by XCoRyX
alot of people, like me, dislike it more just like why we disliked halloween 3 so much, even though pt. 3 wasn't even too bad...so thats my explanation, our favorite killer wasn't in it in the end officially.


well said, cory...


*SPOILERS!*

the fact that "jason" ends up being some douchebag paramedic angers some hardcore horror fans; it seems like a really contrived way to continue the series so people can make more money (but then, i guess that's true with almost every horror sequel)

also, there's always been one thing about F13 part 5 that always bothered me:

if roy loved his son so much that he killed everyone for him, then why the fuck was his son in a mental institution instead of living with him??? i mean, they say that the kid has never met his father, that he ran out on him when he was a baby...how could he suddenly know that this is his kid and freak out so badly that he starts murdering everyone???

while it wasn't one of my favorites in the series, it's still FAR better than part 8 ;)


Death to Beth

~darchangel~

[ERIN_LoJ]

It may have bothered some that the killer wasnt who ws planned, but a lot of the same format was followed. This destroys the whole movie?

As for the paramedic's son, maybe he was too ill to be out of the hospital. That's usually why they're in there. Or else yet another Friday plot hole ;)

[!MorganOnyx!]

DARCHANGEL -

Fair play, that's a very good point. If Roy did care about his son then he would've looked after him instead of living in secret and letting him reside in a nut house. BUT...We can all find plot holes in the franchise.

Why does JASON come back from the dead after getting electrocuted through an iron bar?!! Last time I tried doing that to a dead body......they stayed dead. :p

[Duke Nukem]

I'm sure Roy saw pictures of his crazy son and followed up on him over the years. He probably just was afraid to approach after all that time. At the end of the part 5, when the cop's tell the survivors about Roy's motive, and show Jason Voorhees clippings from Roy's wallet, there might be a picture of his son. I'm not sure though, it's been a while since I've seen the movie.

As for the movie, I don't hate it either and don't mind Jason's absence. I remember enjoying this movie a lot when I was younger. When I finally bought it on DVD recently, it wasn't as good. There really isn't that much gore. There's too many instances where a victim runs into Jason - cut scene - and we find what's left over of the victim later. There isn't enough on-screen kills. But, maybe I should see it again. The characters, I didn't find as memorable as those from parts 2, 3, 4 and 6.

[Jason13thh]

This chapter is really inferior to F13th 6,7 and 4.

Yes there is a big bodycount and you have some nudity (especially the girl naked in the wood, she had big big breasts)
Tomy fights well but sorry that was not enough to me.

I can't stand the two redneck characters, I hate most of the characters (except Demon), bad photography, really average.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by the dead one

Funniest Moment- When Reggie (Shavar Ross) Screams like a little bitch

LOL! I wholeheartedly agree.

[the dead one]

John, that scene never fails to have me ROLLING on the floor! :D

[TheDeadWalk]

It's not my favorite, but it beats the hell out of Jason Vs. The Telekinetic blond, Jason Takes Manhattan, Jason X, and Freddy Vs. Jason.

Judging it as a series, I preferred Jason as the actual killer. He was an awesome stalker to look forward to seeing.

This film also hit up on the 80s subcultures more than any other in the series.

(and it had a black man die on the shitter.)

[ViCkS]

i *LOVE* part 5, infact i think its one of my favourites. The part where Jason appears behind Tommy in the mirror freaks me everytime!!! i never get bored of this entry despite how many times i've seen it, i think its great as long as you dont take it too seriously!

[ViCkS]

its worth the price alone for that black guys shiny nylon flying suit and soul-glowed hair!

[Dolf]

It's an enjoyable watch, but, yes... I still hate the ending.
However, as far as absolutely despising a sequel in any of our beloved ongoing horror icon series, I still have to say the following beats any discrepancies I may or may not have had with Friday 5 or Halloween 3...
Nightmare on Elm St. Part 2 (yup, I'm one of those)...

[killuminati003]

This is the only Friday the 13th i own (unless you count Freddy Vs Jason)....and i gotta admit that i do love this movie

[movielover999]

I dont hate this movie. It is not near as bad as some of the stinkers I have seen in my days. None of the Fridays are actually. I was able to watch them all without fast forwarding. There have been a good share of horror movies where I couldnt make it all the way through. Movies like Ghoulies go to College, most Full Moon movies (only few I like are from the Paramount days), Halloween Ressurection, etc. are much worse IMO than any F13.

JGTH and JX I dont like at all though. JTM I didnt care for, but still enjoyed it more than the last two. Still doesnt mean I was crazy about it. Freddy vs Jason was also disappointing to me as well.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Am I the only one who really liked Jason X?!

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Am I the only one who really liked Jason X?!

No, I enjoyed it too. It was a bit different from the rest of the films, but the space stuff was creative, and when it came down to it, it was like every Jason film - Jason gracefully slicing and dicing all the characters in great ways! A lot of people make too much a big deal out of this one.

[movielover999]

Duke,

Thats not true at all.

I am sorry, but I liked Part 5 of all things and I still thought Jason X commited the act of being boring and horrible.

I dont care for Space adventures to begin with, so that probably didnt help.

I just dont like the movie. Nothing to do with making a big deal out of anything.

I just thought it sucked. I thought I Still Know What You Did Last Summer sucked as well and that didnt take place in space. Although maybe it really should have. Then I wouldnt of had to see it.

Now, is Jason X the worst horror ever? No. It had two good parts and I made it through the movie without fast forwarding.

I reserve the worst movie titles for movies that are so horrible that I cant even finish them. Killjoy would be a perfect example.

[Duke Nukem]

Movielover

I can understand you for not liking "I Still Know...", but to compare "Jason X" to that is a really unfair and unjustified. If you seriously weren't able find any, if any little ounce, of fun in "Jason X," then you must have a hard time enjoying movies, espcially for a movie "lover." I was also never comparing it to Friday 5. I enjoy all of the Jason films, and think they are all decent. And, part V and X are both decently enjoyable in their own ways. Don't take so much on people because they happen to like movies like "Jason X," and other such films. Everyone is different.

And, I don't know how you can say that "Jason X" is boring. It's anything but.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by movielover999
Duke,

Thats not true at all. Let me introduce you to someone, he's a bit shy but he helps conversations. Opinions, movielover999. movielover999, this is opinions. Make friends.

[CrazyKillah]

I dislike (not DESPISE, but DISLIKE) this entry in the series for the simple fact that Jason was not doing said butchering. I understand that they had put old hockey-puss to bed for good in the previous film and that they wanted to go in a new direction... that's fine... but make a new fucking movie with a new fucking title that doesn't just happen to take place in the same locale!

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by CrazyKillah
I understand that they had put old hockey-puss to bed for good in the previous film and that they wanted to go in a new direction... that's fine... but make a new fucking movie with a new fucking title that doesn't just happen to take place in the same locale!


LOL, it wasn`t even the same locale when you think about it (they never say how far or close the halfway house is to Camp Crystal Lake).

And I really loved "Jason X"!

[movielover999]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Movielover

I can understand you for not liking "I Still Know...", but to compare "Jason X" to that is a really unfair and unjustified. If you seriously weren't able find any, if any little ounce, of fun in "Jason X," then you must have a hard time enjoying movies, espcially for a movie "lover." I was also never comparing it to Friday 5. I enjoy all of the Jason films, and think they are all decent. And, part V and X are both decently enjoyable in their own ways. Don't take so much on people because they happen to like movies like "Jason X," and other such films. Everyone is different.

And, I don't know how you can say that "Jason X" is boring. It's anything but.

You have your opinion and I have mine. It's not like I told you not to like the movie. I just dont think it's fair of you to say that those who dont like it are just making a big deal out of it like we are all just stupid for not liking it.

I am not a MovieLover because I dont like Jason X? Thats just a silly and dumb comment with no substance. People who like movies dont like every movie made. If they did, every movie would be a huge success and loved by all.

If thats the case, 99% of society dont like movies judging by how much this movie was loved and how much it made. Check out it's reviews or audience comments. It did dreadful with both. The worst of probably the entire series. Most of the traditional series had bad reviews, but still had good audience reaction. Halloween: Ressurection (an even worse movie) beat it out at Yahoo. Thats just sad.

If going by script and substance, every F13 made is terrible as is Freddy vs Jason. This difference is at least some of those were entertaining.

The problem with Jason X is that it was just lame, boring, and had some of the cheesiest effects ever (The Grendal thing was oozing of mozzerella and the gore effects with the exception of one were all just fake looking and pathetic).

If New Line could go back in time, they would have never made this movie at all. This is a fact. It wouldnt exist. It sat on a shelf for 3 years because they knew it wouldnt go over and would flop. It hurt the series more than helped it. It had the worst opening weekend and finish of the entire series even including inflation and that it was made many years later. It made a complete laughing stock out of it (even though it's popularity dwindled with it's previous 2 installments) to the entire public. I still cant figure out how FVJ managed to save this series which it did somehow manage to do in some way. If not for that, this series would have either gone DTV (like JX almost did) or have been ended for a very, very long time.

I didnt say you had to agree with anything. I also didnt say that you didnt have to like it. If you do, good for you. Glad you like it. Wish I could of. I was just stating my opinion. Thats it. Nothing more.

And in my opinion, Jason X sucks. But, if it makes you feel better, it's still not as bad as Jason goes to Hell. A movie that I unfortunately didnt make it all the way through. Walked out on that one back during the theater run. Audience reaction? Well, lets put it this way. Those who werent really pissed off were sleeping. I guess that would explain it's pretty decent opening followed by one of the worst drops ever.

JTM also had a decent opening for it's time followed by just horrible drops (even by horror movie standards) for it's time.

The legs wernt even 2.0 back then which was considered extremely horrible (even still is by todays standards) considering most movies had much better legs then than they do now.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Whilst I'm a completist and own all of the FRIDAY THE 13th series, I agree with MOVIELOVER999 when it comes to JASON GOES TO HELL and JASON X. To put it simply, they're not very good. I love the Friday the 13ths because they kept it simple. All they wanted to do is scare the audience. Teenagers go to a camp, some get naked, most of them die. If it scares you - great. If not, they're entertaining on a 'so bad it's funny' level. They were trying to be serious, but ended up being unintentionally hilarious (in my opinion-only AFTER PART 4 did this occur).

This is why the two movie in question fail me.

JASON GOES TO HELL tried to be something it wasn't. The whole 'Voorhees' family story - only a Voorhees can kill a Voorhees etc just didn't work for me. And don't get me started on the fact that Jason's soul could take over others and make them kill! What?!! Keep it simple.

JASON X wanted to be a comedy. It played for laughs and took the piss out of itself - that, for me, is disrespectful to the series. Entertaining....but crap.

[EVILxxx]

When I first watched this movie I was about 7-8 years old. It was the first Jason movie I had ever seen. All I knew was that there was a guy named Jason who wore a hockey mask and killed people. You can imagine my confusion by the end of this film. But I still like it. This movie is probably the best way to catergorize an 80's slasher: plenty of gory deaths, plenty of nudity, a killer who you rarely get a good look at, and a twist ending. Not a bad outing, not the best. It probably ranks in the middle of the series for me.

[APzombie]

It's my least favorite because of the Fairy Tale theater like characters (the hick couple). It created a phoney vibe. It's more fun to see paper thin characters get hacked, but when characters anoy the hell out of you it's not entertaining.

I didn't mind the 'not Jason' part, but I understand why people disliked it for that.

[SpacePuppet]

Why the hate you say? Because it sucks.

[Zeptron]

In my opinion, A New Beginning had the same problems all the others had: Acting, script, characters, plot, direction, etc.--which the fans seem to ignore in most of the others! So what if it's not Jason doing the killings? In 1 way, this probably wasn't the right move for a series whose identity had already been firmly established, but in another way, it shows us that Jason has become so prolific that people are literally imitating him! Besides, it's not like Roy just stabbed his victims a couple times with a Dinky Little Baby Knife (heretoafter referred as DLBK), like Ghostface did! If you ask me, Roy was quite a good killer who made excellent use of his weaponry; the lack of gore was because of the damn MPAA (which is, nevertheless, still an important organization).

In summation, I like A New Beginning.


Duke Johnson: "Come on, Roy! Get your hands dirty." :cool:

[Jackass80]

Originally posted by XpatrickX
I understand Jason isn't doing the killing, but why do people always have it rated in their bottom 3 of the series? It was actually my favorite. It delivered on the plot, gore, and fun levels that I always judge a slasher movie on.

Dude, I respect your taste, but Friday V, while not the worst in the series, is the boundary of where the Friday series deteriorated. The movie contains no style or energy; it lies there like a dead fish. Though I do have to say Friday V looks like Silence of the Lambs compared to Jason Takes Manhattan and Jason Goes to Hell. But, I think the violence in Part V is borderline exploitive, even for a horror flick.

[ERIN_LoJ]

Originally posted by saintofscars
Maybe Part 5 was where the series stopped being scary??? It definately got a lot funnier!

I dunno, I enjoyed it too!

That was part 6. Part 5 still tried.

[ERIN_LoJ]

How is the violence exploitive? I thought it had a lot of fun style going for it; they were trying something new, and apparently it just didn't work for a lot of fans.

[Duke Nukem]

Friday 5, exploitive? Yeah, right! Of all things, the one complaint I have to say about Part V is that camera cuts away from the violence too often. There is too much after-the-fact crap and not enough on-screen violence IMO. That's why I like this one least out of all of the F13 movies.

[bourahioro]

I liked part 5, I liked the gore, the tits, the 80s shit....and I liked that, when you watch it for the first time, you get a surprise ending...who would have thought that it was one of the coroners? not me...now watching it, when you see his shock at the fat kids axe-murdered corpse, yeah, you know....but before, you would have just thought that he didn't approve of the sight in front of so many others, 5 was awesome!! :D

oh yeah...halloween 3 sucked. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the series, the only way I would own it, would be if they came out with a DVD box set, but it would likely remain in its third slot of the box for eternity.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by bourahioro
oh yeah...halloween 3 sucked. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the series, the only way I would own it, would be if they came out with a DVD box set, but it would likely remain in its third slot of the box for eternity.

So the only reason you don't like HALLOWEEN 3 is because it had "NOTHING" to do with the series, or because you consider it to be a shit film? :(

[Wolfman]

Problems with Part V:

#1: No Jason. Boo. Hiss.

#2: Had the misfortune to be made in between two of the most loved installments of the series (Parts 4 and 6), and it just doesn't compare to those. Part 4 had Jason at his deformed, brutal best. Part 6 had bad-ass zombie Jason that could punch through steel. Again, Part 5 didn't have any kind of Jason.

#3: No identity. In Parts 2-4, you're scared of Jason. Starting in Part 6, you're rooting for him. At that point the Friday movies turned into Arnold Schwarzenegger movies (like Commando). Part 5? You're kind of confused, because you don't know if adult-Corey Feldman went crazy, or if there's really a Jason, or what (except that you're not too confused, because you know there's really a killer, and he ain't Corey).

There are other problems, of course, but I see those 3 as the main ones. In my opinion, Part 5 is tied with Part 8 for the 2nd worst of the series (only the creepy ass waterlogged baby Jason in Part 8 saved it). Jason Goes to Hell is by far the worst.

[Bud Bundy]

I loved Jason X. Of course I'm a sci-fi fan, but I'll say this much: I've got Jason X on DVD and I certainly don't have any of the recent Star Trek or Star Wars movies on DVD. I thought it had plenty of action, great looking babes, a really stylish fight scene with Jason and Kay Em, pretty good special effects. No complaints.

I also like part V. Any movie that can be set in a mental institution and be anything other than terrible is doing pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

[Pink Corduroy]

I liked Part 5 until the part with Violet doing the robot for, like, five minutes. Then I freaking LOVED Part 5. It's cheesy as hell, there's not nearly as much graphic violence as there could be, and it's really easy to figure out who the killer is, but I think it's a lot of fun; the wood-chopping scene is classic, and I thought the final confrontation was pretty well done. I don't think the lack of Jason is a problem in the least; hell, in the first movie, Jason was just a two-second gimmick at the end.

I haven't even seen "Jason Goes to Hell" or "Jason X" yet. So far, the only installment that really bugs me is Part 8; and I still pretty much like that one except for all the liberties it takes with the continuity of the series, and especially the lame-ass ending with the lousy makeup and Jason suddenly turning into a whiny pussy with acid reflux.

[Ratlehed]

I didnt like that Roy was super-strong. He gets hit by a front end loader and he just gets stunned a little. He also picks up Violet with one hand with ease. He's a crazy guy not an unstoppable evil like Jason or Michael. The lead girls acting is also pretty horrible. There are a few good moments in the film though. I like it more than JGTH or part8. Jason X is one of my favorites.

[Horror_Buddy]

I have to agree with the first post. A New beginning is a decent entry in the never ending series. I think that it is better then Jason X, The New Blood and Jason takes Manhatten.

The good things are that it is full of blood, violence, and nudity. It is one of the funest in the entire series.

The bad points are that Jason does not appear in the movie and that Roy the imposter is some sort of super human. It also has a terrible plot. The charecters were very weak and had little to do with the story.

Overall it is one of the three films in the series to watch over and over. It is the seventh best in the series.

[TheJadedGamer]

I like it. The more I watch Part V, the more I enjoy it.

[rvd420]

I enjoyed part 5 more than part 6.

Part 6 just seemed too toned down.

[TheDeadWalk]

I have a new somewhat philosophical take on this:

The problem is that it's sequel number 5. Had it been sequel number two or three (after Jason or... that "other" killer... ) this film could have probably gotten away with the alternative storyline.

By the time part five rolls around, the filmmakers decide to give this Friday film a new tone, pace, and balance. While some of you may be scratching your head at this, I'm basically saying that you don't wait until sequel number five and decide to completely alter your formula.

As a stand alone film, it could have been great, but using the Jarvis storyline, it would have been better to have been an earlier sequel. One where people weren't expecting certain intangibles, settings, moods, and atmospheres. It feels completely out of place, like a step-brother instead of a blood relative. It almost felt like it was its own film, just that the filmmakers decided to punch in the Friday tagline and add in a few storyline elements just to make a few extra bucks because they felt it was a mediocre slasher on its own.

[Genghis Khan]

Okay, I have a few things to say here. First of all I love Friday the 13th Part 5. Its fun, gory, has tits, and just everything a good slasher needs. And Violet is my favorite Friday the 13th character of all time, I even have her robot dance song on my computer. Jason being the killer or not, its still a fun movie. And X, I also enjoy Jason X. It was the first Friday movie I ever saw, so it has a special place in my heart. There's just something about seeing a guy hand Jason his machete and then feeling safe about it. Oh, and about Roy being super strong, you're not supposed to be thinking that much about a Friday the 13th movie in the first place. Just go with it. That's all I gotta say.

Rock On!!
:cool:

[doaflip]

You should love this movie for three scenes alone:

-Violet's robot dancing. Haha I love the look on her face, it's like she's have to dance as one of her chores or something.

-The fat retard getting axed. Haha "just forget it Vic!" Anyone notice the subconscious Hershey advertising?

-When Tommy is asked to call another character down to breakfast, who promptly jumps out wearing a mask. The depressed Tommy character is hardly likely to laugh and go "wow, you sure got me!" but his reaction is my favourite part of the film; he lifts the guy up onto his shoulders and SLAMS HIM THROUGH A TABLE! Hahaha brilliant.

[ComeNightfall]

Part V is not bad, but not the best in the series. Still, I enjoyed it for the cheesy robot dancing (I thought the song was cool though), the high bodycount, and the rain-soaked finale.

[crimezscene]

After 4 its hard to pick the exact order of suckness 5-11 should fall i guess if your going on just being a horror film and forgetting its supposed to follow a particular story line i would say 5 has to suck the least.

[Pink Corduroy]

Since last posting on this thread, I have seen "Sleepaway Camp." It came out a year or two before "New Beginning," and I guarantee that the makers of "New Beginning" saw it. The similarity in structure and style is striking.

Has anyone else noticed this?

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

If New Line could go back in time, they would have never made this movie at all.

Here we go again:

New Line Cinema did not MAKE Jason Goes to Hell nor Jason X. These films were negative pick ups. They contributed no money to these films aside from the distribution. The only film they had any and all investment in was Freddy vs. Jason and most likely the upcoming F13 film.

[Jason Vorhees]

I liked it. I got it ruined for me though. Someone told me Jason wasn't the killer before hand. So I was a little bummed but was amazed how good it was. But was really happy with part 6. That is my favorite addition to the series

[CHANCE]

He is not doing any killing in the movie but big J c3ertainly is in it!
The visions of Jason Tommy has(from his window, at the hospital, the dream in the beginning)sure set the mood for this flick.
As for Roy, Tommy having Visions of Jason hints(i hope!)the fact that while he's dead, he is still very much in Crystal Lake and that the grief and shock of Roy could have triggered the bad vibes of the Camp to posses/push Roy into a Jason like frenzy...

I realy like the flick;it caps of 1 and 4 in a nice way that Jason can never realy die, in the flesh and in the spirit.

But then again I watch at least 1 Friday per week(this is on a bad week!)I just realy like the ideas all sequels give me...except 8+9+J vs F...they can go to hell...

[Kevin Lockard]

It is really my least favorite of the series for a number of reasons. First off, the close-ups. The camera zooms up close into the eyes of the victims and such in very corny fashion a number of times and it's pretty hilarious and pretty embarassing at the same time. Another is how clean the murder weapons are. If you go to www.fridaythe13thfilms.com and look in the Bloopers section for F13 pt.5, it points out all the scenes in which "Jason"/Roy's murder weapons will usually lose all of it's blood and everything just seconds after killing someone with them. Plus, "Roy" disappointed me. Hell, I'd rather see Jason's father as the killer and NO, even that wouldn't be that great. I actually like the whole myth concerning Jason's father and how no one knows anything about him. So I guess to make a long story short, Part 5 is just sucky.

Speaking of Jason Goes To Hell, it is actually one of my favorite Jason films. I'd prefer it over Part 5, Part 8, and Jason X anyday. JGTH doesn't make a whole lot of sense I admit, and I don't really like the way it passes itself off as the "Final Friday", but it is a stand alone movie. Even the filmmakers said that. But unlike the other Fridays, the acting in this film is really good and solid and all the characters seem real, not carbon cutoffs who are there just to act stupid for the sake of being sliced and diced. Not taking a stab against the other Fridays but it's true. Plus, director Adam Marcus did what people said no one would probably be able to again and that was make Jason scary again. At the first and last scenes with Jason, he seemed scary in my opinion. His look was very menacing, with his mask looking like it was plastered to his face, his brains exposed and shreds of hair actually growing. It was great.

[Valo the Crow]

I also enjoyed Part 5, it had good elements any 80's splatter movie had. Lots of blood, smart-ass teens, nudity, stupid cops, brutal kills, sex, and of course a looming killer. The big problem everyone seems to have is IT'S NOT REALLY JASON, just a angry father. Wait didn't he abandon the kid at birth, why does he even care?
Violet's original kill would have made a much better kill than just being found dead in a dark room, MACHETTE IN THE COOCH WHILE EXERCISING(OHHHHHH MYYYYYY GODDDDDDDDD) :eek:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
Wait didn't he abandon the kid at birth, why does he even care?


The more important question is how come he has a picture of his son grown up when he hadn't seen him since he was born.

[Valo the Crow]

The more important question is how come he has a picture of his son grown up when he hadn't seen him since he was born.

Good question.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
The more important question is how come he has a picture of his son grown up when he hadn't seen him since he was born.

Haha yeah that is a good question! Oh the loopholes! :)

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
The more important question is how come he has a picture of his son grown up when he hadn't seen him since he was born.

Who says he didn't see him? I don't think it's very hard to believe that he felt bad for abondoning his boy alone all that time. He was a cop, he could've had access to finding out about his son and a photo of him. He could have been still working the nerve to approach him, until that fateful day he and his buddies were sent up to the local rehabilitation home along Crystal Lake.

[Valo the Crow]

Who says he didn't see him? I don't think it's very hard to believe that he felt bad for abondoning his boy alone all that time. He was a cop, he could've had access to finding out about his son and a photo of him. He could have been still working the nerve to approach him, until that fateful day he and his buddies were sent up to the local rehabilitation home along Crystal Lake.

Roy aka Fake Jason(Joey's father) was actually a paramedic not a cop. Aside from that, I can buy the whole Roy working up the nerve to approach Joey. "Hey kid sorry for abandonning you after your mom died, my bad" Don't get me wrong I had both my parents growing up, so I'm not some bitter guy. But if my woman died during childbirth I wouldn't ditch the kid, maybe that's just me.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
Roy aka Fake Jason(Joey's father) was actually a paramedic not a cop. Aside from that, I can buy the whole Roy working up the nerve to approach Joey. "Hey kid sorry for abandonning you after your mom died, my bad" Don't get me wrong I had both my parents growing up, so I'm not some bitter guy. But if my woman died during childbirth I wouldn't ditch the kid, maybe that's just me.

Cop or paramedic, he still may have tried finding out about the son he abondoned. The fact that "just one of the paramedics" appeared so alarmingly unnerved when they picked up Joey's body shows sympathy in Roy.

[Valo the Crow]

I agree, but it's too little too late.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
Roy aka Fake Jason(Joey's father) was actually a paramedic not a cop. Aside from that, I can buy the whole Roy working up the nerve to approach Joey. "Hey kid sorry for abandonning you after your mom died, my bad" Don't get me wrong I had both my parents growing up, so I'm not some bitter guy. But if my woman died during childbirth I wouldn't ditch the kid, maybe that's just me.

Yeah for me that brings up the question of why he decided to kill loads of innocent people. "Hi, I'm Roy, I didn't care enough about my son when he was born so I abandoned him for about 18 years. I started looking for him but was such a fanny that when I found him I didn't have the minerals to speak to him. However, even though I didn't know him as a person, seeing him dead on the floor made me want to kill loads of innocent people! Which is funny because I hadn't given him a second thought up until then, cos if I did I would have surely tried to contact him. P.S - I'm a really bad JASON impersonator and my mask isn't even right." :D

[Valo the Crow]

OHHHH HELL YEAH, tell it like it is!!! :D

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
Yeah for me that brings up the question of why he decided to kill loads of innocent people. :D

Ask Mrs. Voorhees.

[Valo the Crow]

At least Mrs. Voorhees took care of her child, unlike Roy. Joey was fat, but Jason was a hydrosyphalic mongoloid NOW THAT'S F*CKING LOVE.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Ask Mrs. Voorhees.

I can't, she was decapitated well over twenty years ago!! DUH! ;)

Mrs Voorhees killed all of those kids to prevent the camp reopening. In a crazy kind of logic, it was part revenge for her son, but mostly to ensure that camp crystal lake would never be the scene of an accident again. When she realised the series of fires etc didn't do the job she had to go to more extreme lengths. Her speech at the end of the movie clarify this when she says "I couldn't let them open this place again, could I?!" She simply wanted to ensure no more children would be neglected.

What was Roy trying to achieve in killing all of those kids at the institute? To make sure no more fatherless stupid fat kids with love for sticky chocolate bars get axed in the back?!! If he wanted revenge he should've gone after VIC. Instead everyone else ends up in a box on their backs and VIC gets a snug room at the local prison, getting bummed regularly by a guy named Bubba! (something I think VIC would've enjoyed - his dress sense and anger issues signal he had built up repressed homosexual feelings) :D

[Valo the Crow]

GO,GO,GO,GO.GO IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY(not literally, or is it?).:)

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
GO,GO,GO,GO.GO IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY(not literally, or is it?).:)

Not for a good six months yet friend. But we could always do what 50 CENT says and "party like it's your birthday". Or maybe not - rappers are usually despised on these pages. We may come under unfair scrutiny. D'oh. :(

[Valo the Crow]

I'm not too big on rap, but when the situation calls I've got to say it. Here's something to mull over, What ever happened to Elias Voorhees(Jason's father), possible prequel story??? :D

[CHANCE]

What ever happened to Elias Voorhees(Jason's father), possible prequel story??? :D [/B][/QUOTE]
He was to appear at the end of part 6...and was in almost every first,first script drafts of most sequels...maybe remake with extended back story...?

[Valo the Crow]

Once again, no remake of Friday the 13th please God nooooo(prequel okay). :eek:

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
Here's something to mull over, What ever happened to Elias Voorhees(Jason's father), possible prequel story??? :D

It's funny you mentioned that. As CHANCE said he was supposed to make an appearance at the end of PART 6. I've recently bought the book CRYSTAL LAKE MEMORIES: The complete history of Friday the 13th (fucking awesome by the way-best book on the franchise yet). The director of PART 6 TOM MCLOUGHLIN wanted to explore the origins of Elias at the end of the film, but the producer FRANK MANCUSO JR vetoed the idea. He felt that this would leave the fans wanting to know more about Elias and possibly having to focus the next installment on him, rather than Jason.

Just reading this book turns you into a Friday The 13th expert. It's excellent. Did you know that they originally wanted a ROBERT PLANT song to open PART 8, but it cost too much so they wrote their own? And KANE HODDER thought the end of PART 8 was shit because Jason turns into a kid but he never told the director because he didn't want to piss him off?!! Good times!
:D

[Valo the Crow]

I've seen that book sitting at my local Barne's & Nobel's, I'll give it a further look. Robert Plant song in Friday the 13th movie, what the f*ck?!?

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
I've seen that book sitting at my local Barne's & Nobel's, I'll give it a further look. Robert Plant song in Friday the 13th movie, what the f*ck?!?

Yeah exactly dude! There's loads of Friday trivia that will blow your socks off! It comes from the peeps who made the movies and not some unreliable website, so you know it's legit. You get the actors, writers, directors, directors of photography, producers etc talking about their experiences and it's truly the best book I've EVER owned! There's a fair bit of dudes dissing each other from some camps too! Buy it now or be a fool forever!

LAWRENCE MONOSON (Ted) actually got stoned for his death scene in FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 4:THE FINAL CHAPTER because he thought method acting would prove fruitful. He said he was paranoid to fuck and couldn't focus for shit!! He vowed afterwards to never get high on a movie set again! :cool:

Ooh and did you know there were no less than FOUR gay men starring in FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 7:THE NEW BLOOD including the lead?!! I think it may have even been five! I lost count! :D

[Valo the Crow]

WHA WHA WHAT!?! :eek:

[!MorganOnyx!]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Valo the Crow
WHA WHA WHAT!?! :eek: [/QUOTE

Yeah man and the guy who played EDDIE got it on at a party with other star BILL BUTLER a couple of years later. He was a bit gutted though because BUTLER was living with VIGGO MORTENSEN at the time! :D

[Valo the Crow]

Got the book, read it , dug it, an was shocked by it! Thanks !MorganOnyx! for the tip, Viggo huh?

[CHANCE]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
It's funny you mentioned that. As CHANCE said he was supposed to make an appearance at the end of PART 6. I've recently bought the book CRYSTAL LAKE MEMORIES: The complete history of Friday the 13th (fucking awesome by the way-best book on the franchise yet)
:D
The book I got (Making Friday the 13th:the legend of camp blood) is not as good...The writer (David Grove) just tells the plots of all flicks + some set(commen) stuff and he likes to "fill in the blanks"so to speak...and I cant find the book you mentioned...shit

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by Valo the Crow
Got the book, read it , dug it, an was shocked by it! Thanks !MorganOnyx! for the tip, Viggo huh?

Ha ha no probs playa! This book was meant to be shared!! It's too freaking good to be left alone!! Hell though, how the fuck have you read it already??!! I read it as much as possible and I've only got up to chapter 9!!! :D

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by CHANCE
The book I got (Making Friday the 13th:the legend of camp blood) is not as good...The writer (David Grove) just tells the plots of all flicks + some set(commen) stuff and he likes to "fill in the blanks"so to speak...and I cant find the book you mentioned...shit

Yep, I got it too! It was the first one I got! I thought it was awesome until I started to read this one!! I saw CRYSTAL LAKE MEMORIES on EBAY and AMAZON. It should be available, I only just got mine. :confused:

[Valo the Crow]

Ha ha no probs playa! This book was meant to be shared!! It's too freaking good to be left alone!! Hell though, how the fuck have you read it already??!! I read it as much as possible and I've only got up to chapter 9!!!

When I start reading something I usually can't put it down 'til I'm done.:D

[teenkiller]

Here's some info for you. During the scene where Demon is taking a shit the filmmakers wrote "Vic Faden" on the outhouse to let the viewers assume that Vic himself was running wild murdering all these people (as if the cops wouldn't have mentioned it as a possibility during their couple of scenes). Thing is they spelled his name wrong.
FRIDAY 5 may very well be dumb but it is my second favorite of the franchise and has one of the best casts ever. What can I say? I love dumb movies.
Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.