Perdiction of Ocean's 11, Opening Weekend

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

I have heard alot about this film it's getting alot of hype and plus it stars my favorite actor's Brad Pitt and Matt Damon, and my favorite director steven soderbergh is helming the progect so it should be really entertaining, anyway i was reading at Box Office Guru.com and they said it's the only movie opening soon that can take #1 from Harry Potter, and Early polls at different websites ask which movie you will see this december and Ocean's 11 is leading all votes by over 300 points, so i personaly think it's going to GREAT at the box office.... anyway my perdiction for it's opening weekend is, 65 to 75 million (and if you think thats to high read what i just wrote above and you'll understand)

Ocean's 11 opening weekend- 65 to 75 million

How much do you think it will make!!!!?????

[idealdiscountdude]

I think it's going to be big!!!! I predict between $35 and $45 million for it's opening weekend but strong legs for the rest of the Christmas season. I predict for it to be December's second biggest film behind Lord Of The Rings and end up grossing north of $160 million.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

im also predicting around 40 million. i know ill contribute my eight bux.

[FlickJunkie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
Ocean's 11 opening weekend- 65 to 75 million
How much do you think it will make!?</font>

Whoa! That is way too high. Somewhere around $40-$45 sounds good.

[Muha]

i dont really like remakes that much, and i dont see how anyone can remake the rat pack even if its matt damon, george clooney, brad pitt, and julia roberts.

the rat pack were classic actors and i dont see how anyone can successfully remake them.

a lot of people will see this movie opening weekend, but then it will get swallowed on the 19th.

then after that you got The Majestic, Ali, and other movies.

40 million opening, 95 overall

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
i dont really like remakes that much, and i dont see how anyone can remake the rat pack even if its matt damon, george clooney, brad pitt, and julia roberts.

the rat pack were classic actors and i dont see how anyone can successfully remake them.

a lot of people will see this movie opening weekend, but then it will get swallowed on the 19th.

then after that you got The Majestic, Ali, and other movies.

40 million opening, 95 overall</font>

Dude it's the Christmas season and if it opens with 40 mill, it will gross another $10 million easy during the week......it will probably make $90 mill in its first 2 and a half weeks!!!!!!!!

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

YES!!!!! thank finally someone that see's things the way i do........

[Mike]

Yeah, it will be big, just like idealdiscountdude I think it will open with around 35-45 Million and have strong legs through the holiday season, 150-170 Million total seems likely.

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[idealdiscountdude]

dicaprio_travolta_man...me , you and Mike are like the smartest people on here..... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif LOL

[Fergus]

I'd say 25-30 million just because there is always that chance that it might not be a hit with audiences and no one goes to see it. Personally, the trailers don't make me want to go see it, it is out of the hype over the past year during its development and all. There is always that chance.

[FlickJunkie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
40 million opening, 95 overall</font>

You don't know shit about the Box Office do you? 40 million opening and about 150+ million overall. Good word of mouth and it's star power could push it to like 175+ million.

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FlickJunkie:
You don't know shit about the Box Office do you? 40 million opening and about 150+ million overall. Good word of mouth and it's star power could push it to like 175+ million.</font>

Exactly Flick Junkie http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif......another smart man!!!



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[dicaprio_travolta_man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by idealdiscountdude:
dicaprio_travolta_man...me , you and Mike are like the smartest people on here..... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif LOL</font>

You and Mike, Smart???? YEAH RIGHT
As for ME I know I'm smart ALOT smarter then you two http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif, (Just Kidding)

Anyway I think I have to tone down my 65 to 75 million opening because Pearl Harbor opened with 75 million and Planet Of The Apes opened with 68 million, and Pearl Harbor and Apes had alot more hype surronding them then this one does so I'm going to say that 55 to 60 million sounds about right, and it should finish with around 180 million due to Christmas and New Years (two of the busiest days for movie theatres) being right around the corner when it opens....

NOTE: Only ONE WEEK and ONE DAY remaining untill Opening Night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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[idealdiscountdude]

I can't wait.......5 of my favorite actors, George Clooney, Don Cheadle, Matt Damon, Bernie Mac and Brad Pitt plus my favorite actress of all time, Julia Roberts in the same friggin' movie...it's my dream come true! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I can't wait.......5 of my favorite actors, George Clooney, Don Cheadle, Matt Damon, Bernie Mac and Brad Pitt plus my favorite actress of all time, Julia Roberts in the same friggin' movie...it's my dream come true!</font>

I agree with you idealdiscountdude,
WHAT A GREAT CAST! And I absolutely adore Julia Roberts, anything with her I have to see.

[FlickJunkie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
I agree with you idealdiscountdude,
WHAT A GREAT CAST! And I absolutely adore Julia Roberts, anything with her I have to see.</font>

True dat! I love Julia as well. I hate when people say she is over-rated and didn't deserve her Oscar. Well, I believe she did. Erin Brockovich is one of my favorite movies. And I love her performance. I love the way she yells. She yells great. I just loved her attitude in it.

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[Fergus]

Now you guys have me all excited over this movie. If I didn't say this before, "I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!" I love Julia Roberts too. She's great, even if people are whining over her oscar win, have them watch "Pretty Woman" to show how great she is. One of the pertiest women in the business.

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fergus:
Now you guys have me all excited over this movie. If I didn't say this before, "I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!" I love Julia Roberts too. She's great, even if people are whining over her oscar win, have them watch "Pretty Woman" to show how great she is. One of the pertiest women in the business.</font>

Haha.....her most underrated performance in my opinion is in 1991's SLEPPING WITH THE ENEMY.......she was amazing!

[bskutle]

I'll go with $40 mil Dec. 7-9; $130 mil throughout.

[Muha]

FlickJunkie, actually I know quite a bit about the box office, man.

The TV spots and the trailers dont impress me at all... I saw no action (wow.. a bomb blows up in a safe... like ive never seen that before.)

it's a heist movie... hmm... The Score... Heist... Bandits... not like I havent seen any of those movies in a while.

doesnt impress me at all


Originally Posted By Idealdiscountdude:

......it will probably make $90 mill in its first 2 and a half weeks!!!!!!!!

Maybe... but I dunno about that.

look at the latest box office results by these actors:

Julia Roberts: America's Sweethearts was panned by most critics.

Matt Damon: he's had some weak movies i.e All the Pretty Horses, but he's also had some strong ones e.g. Saving Private Ryan, Good Will Hunting.

George Clooney: Batman and Robin anyone?

Brad Pitt: Fight Club made no money, but the movie kicked ass. The Mexican made a little money... but it shows that despite the fact Pitt and Roberts in the same movie doesnt show great box office receipts and critical acclaim.

I do not know anyone that would want to see this movie. yeah, it might have a good cast, but the chemistry between them might make it bad.

like i said before 40 million opening, 90 to 100 million overall.

[ilovemovies]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
FlickJunkie, actually I know quite a bit about the box office, man.

The TV spots and the trailers dont impress me at all... I saw no action (wow.. a bomb blows up in a safe... like ive never seen that before.)

it's a heist movie... hmm... The Score... Heist... Bandits... not like I havent seen any of those movies in a while.

doesnt impress me at all


Originally Posted By Idealdiscountdude:

......it will probably make $90 mill in its first 2 and a half weeks!!!!!!!!

Maybe... but I dunno about that.

look at the latest box office results by these actors:

Julia Roberts: America's Sweethearts was panned by most critics.

Matt Damon: he's had some weak movies i.e All the Pretty Horses, but he's also had some strong ones e.g. Saving Private Ryan, Good Will Hunting.

George Clooney: Batman and Robin anyone?

Brad Pitt: Fight Club made no money, but the movie kicked ass. The Mexican made a little money... but it shows that despite the fact Pitt and Roberts in the same movie doesnt show great box office receipts and critical acclaim.

I do not know anyone that would want to see this movie. yeah, it might have a good cast, but the chemistry between them might make it bad.

like i said before 40 million opening, 90 to 100 million overall.</font>

Why are you bringing up Batman and Robin for poor George Clooney. Yeah, that movie was bad but that was 4 years ago and he has been on a role since then. Out of Sight, Three Kings, The Perfect Storm and O Brother Where Art Thou? Granted, The Perfect Storm was the only blockbuster of those. And America's Sweethearts may have critically panned but it still did fairly well at the boxoffice. You are also forgetting about the film's director, Steven Sodobergh who has been on a real role as well with Out of Sight, The Limey, Erin Brockovich and Traffic. Hell, the last two were even big hits. I think it will be the second or third highest grossing film of the christmas season (depending on how well Ali does)

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Muha:


Matt Damon: he's had some weak movies i.e All the Pretty Horses, but he's also had some strong ones e.g. Saving Private Ryan, Good Will Hunting.

George Clooney: Batman and Robin anyone


HOW could you????????????????????????? All The Pretty Horses is one of my favorite movies of all time and Matt Damon is one of the best actors i've ever seen, and even if you do know alot about the boxoffice, I know a Hell of alot more then you do http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif............

Oh and by the way Batman and Robin totaled a gross of 138 million at the box office, and his last big movie The Perfect Storm made 182 million, so expect a HUGE turnout.......I Advise you to read the First post by me at the top there I explain that Ocean's 11 is leading early polls by more then 300 votes.... and maybe you dont know alot of people that wanna see it, But I do know alot of people that are just dying to see it........ http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Fergus]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by idealdiscountdude:
Haha.....her most underrated performance in my opinion is in 1991's SLEPPING WITH THE ENEMY.......she was amazing!

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You're right, I forgot about that. Maybe because the movie on a whole wasn't very good.

[bob]

In my opinion this flick is gonna be huge. I think that idealiscountdude's prediction is probably the closest, but it might be a little higher. The trailers have been great, i think, and Pitt, Damon, Clooney, Roberts, and Soderbergh all have pretty big followings, so i don't see how it could not make huge dollars. Take into consideration also that it has no competitor's that weekend, and that the Harry Potter craze will probably have cooled off by then.

[beastieben21]

Im going to see this movie, but is it just me or do the trailer and previews REALLY suck!? I plan on seeing just on my faith in the crew they assembled, but if I wasn't into movies the previews would NOT impress me.

[idealdiscountdude]

The trailer rocks!!! And Muha obviously can't know to much about the box office if he thinks that Fight Club was Brad Pitt's last movie and Batman and Robin was George Clooneys!!!!!

[FlickJunkie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
George Clooney: Batman and Robin anyone?</font>

You are right on that one. My bad! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif Batman and Robin had an opening weekend of $40+ million and ended up with about a little over $100 million. But that movie was just ridiculous. Now this one is sure to be good. With a director like Steven Soderbergh and stars like Matt Damon, George Clooney, Julia Roberts, Brad Pitt in it. And remake on a film which in itself ain't bad, should make this one pretty damn good. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Muha]

Idealdiscountdude quoted:
And Muha obviously can't know to much about the box office if he thinks that Fight Club was Brad Pitt's last movie and Batman and Robin was George Clooneys!!!!!

when did i say that brad pitt's last movie was fight club? when did i say that george clooney's last movie was batman and robin?


also... despite the fact that batman and robin may have made a decent amount of money... the movie was bad and extremely subpar compared to the other batman features. 100 million dollars is not a lot of money for a batman movie since Batman made around 251 million dollars, Batman Returns made a lot, and Batman Forever made 184 million.

[Mike Damone]

I didn't realize there were so many financial experts at this forum. I think Muha's perdiction(is that supposed to be a joke) of $40mil/$95mil is a lot more accurate than than dicaprio_travolta_man's prediction of $65-75 mil!!! opener. I thought everyone in this board was entitled to their own opinion. I mean come on guys, this is a movie's gross were talking about not Wall Street. There are two reasons why Muha's prediction could be very true.

1. The movie is being sandwiched between the two biggest movies of the year, and there are a lot of other good movies coming out this December. There's only so much box office to go around.
2. Opening weekend takes are huge percentages of total grosses of some movies(especially lately.) Take a look at Tomb Raider and Planet of the Apes. Opening weekend receipts accounted for 36% of TR's final box office and 39% of POTA's. All the sudden Muha's 40/95 doesn't look so stupid considering it would be 42%.

I'm not trying to say his prediction is correct, but it pissed me off to hear some of the schmoes saying they were the only smart people on the boards(even if you were only joking.)

[idealdiscountdude]

Yeah we were joking but there is no way a film can open with 40 million and have a final tally of 95 million during the christmas season........plus Oceans 11 has a bankable cast, bankable director and great trailers and the general public is very aware of it.......Honestly.......Muha's prediction is so out of whack it's not funny...in order for Oceans11 to end up with a mere 95 million gross is if it depreciates more than 80% in it's second week which sure as hell will not happen!!!!!

YOU do the math!

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
Idealdiscountdude quoted:
And Muha obviously can't know to much about the box office if he thinks that Fight Club was Brad Pitt's last movie and Batman and Robin was George Clooneys!!!!!

when did i say that brad pitt's last movie was fight club? when did i say that george clooney's last movie was batman and robin?


also... despite the fact that batman and robin may have made a decent amount of money... the movie was bad and extremely subpar compared to the other batman features. 100 million dollars is not a lot of money for a batman movie since Batman made around 251 million dollars, Batman Returns made a lot, and Batman Forever made 184 million. </font>


You said and I quote "look at these LATEST box office results from these actors"

I rest my case

[Mike Damone]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by idealdiscountdude:
Yeah we were joking but there is no way a film can open with 40 million and have a final tally of 95 million during the christmas season........plus Oceans 11 has a bankable cast, bankable director and great trailers and the general public is very aware of it.......Honestly.......Muha's prediction is so out of whack it's not funny...in order for Oceans11 to end up with a mere 95 million gross is if it depreciates more than 80% in it's second week which sure as hell will not happen!!!!!

YOU do the math!</font>

I think that's exactly what I did. POTA's huge opening accounted for 39% of it's final gross. This figure is considerably close to the 42% of Oceans 11's gross if the 40/95 prediction were true. POTA dropped 60% from it's 1st to 2nd weekend mainly because Rush Hour 2 came in and stole all the box office. The same thing could happen to Oceans 11(Vanilla Sky & Not Another Teen Movie come out the next weekend and FOTR will come out 5 days later.) The other arguments don't hold up either. It's cast is great but each have had their share of unsuccessful movies. Soderbergh has had box office success, but Out of Sight was a bust and Erin B & Traffic both barely crossed $100 million. The trailers have been pretty boring, and I don't see how the Christmas season is so much better than the middle of summer(POTA's release.) By the time Christmas and New Year's roll around Danny Ocean and his crew will be old news.

Personally, I think the movie will probably do pretty well and have good legs like Erin B and Traffic, but to say a decent guess is stupid and impossible just shows your ignorance.

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike Damone:
I didn't realize there were so many financial experts at this forum. I think Muha's perdiction(is that supposed to be a joke) of $40mil/$95mil is a lot more accurate than than dicaprio_travolta_man's prediction of $65-75 mil!!! opener. I thought everyone in this board was entitled to their own opinion. I mean come on guys, this is a movie's gross were talking about not Wall Street. There are two reasons why Muha's prediction could be very true.

1. The movie is being sandwiched between the two biggest movies of the year, and there are a lot of other good movies coming out this December. There's only so much box office to go around.
2. Opening weekend takes are huge percentages of total grosses of some movies(especially lately.) Take a look at Tomb Raider and Planet of the Apes. Opening weekend receipts accounted for 36% of TR's final box office and 39% of POTA's. All the sudden Muha's 40/95 doesn't look so stupid considering it would be 42%.

I'm not trying to say his prediction is correct, but it pissed me off to hear some of the schmoes saying they were the only smart people on the boards(even if you were only joking.)</font>

WHOA!!!!!! I advise you stop right there bud, you obviously did not read that i toned my perdiction down to 55 million to 6o million.. so get your facts straight!!!! I am dead serious!!! And yes everybody is entitled to there opinion and were also entitled to give constructive critisim about that opinion.. And please tell me what two movies are sandwhiching Ocean's 11, LOTR (maybe, but come on it dont look that great) and ?????????????????????????? Dont even say ALI because thats just Bullshit, sure it will do well but not that well it's certainly not going to be the biggest movie of christmas, TRUST me...... Look at Will Smith his last big movie was Men In Black.. now look at Matt Damon, George Cloony, Julia Roberts, and Steven Soderberg.. who's more of a star will smith or them??????????? And I dont think anybody's heard as much hype about ALI, then they have about ocean's 11.... I'll use an example here last year everyone thought that Cast Away would destroy What Women Want, but both movies did very well, you can have more then two movies grossing over 100 million in december it's not impossibe.......

NOTE: Not Another Teen Movie, One of the biggest Movies this month?? Make Me Fucking Laugh

Remember Almost Famous the one evrybody thought would be a blockbuster but in reality it bombed, well the same might happen with Vanilla Sky, I dont think thats going to be that HUGE........... Sure Tom Cruise is in it, but that dont mean it will do well, just because a movie Has a famous name on the poster dont mean it's a blockbuster, let's see here, A.I. anybody??? Steven Spielberg, "oh it will do great because i'm attached" it bombed....... Oh and i'm not saying that the only reason why Ocean's 11 will do very well is because of who it stars, i'm saying based on early polls taken about this movie, it's leading one of them by over 300 votes over LOTR, and Ali, and Not Another Teen Movie is in last place Ocean's 11 leads that film by over 600 votes... It's also leading Vanilla Sky by over 400 votes....... Thats why it will not only end up making 90 million......

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[idealdiscountdude]

Mike Damone......it's the CHRISTMAS SEASON!!!!! Hello........and your little Traffic and Erin Brockovich statement, you failed to mention that Traffic opened with a mere $15 million and had such strong legs and word of mouth that propelled it to some $130 million and it did this in JANUARY/FEBRUARY/MARCH and Erin Brockovich opened with $28 million and grossed $125 million...it opened in MARCH!!!

Oceans 11 opens in a big money making month, which means if it grosses $40 million it's first weekend, it will gross upwards of $10-$12 million during the week which gives it around $52 million in its first 7 days......if the film falls by say 50% in it's second week (which I highly doubt) it will gross $20 million plus another $5-7 million during the week gives it around $79 million in it's first two weeks.....then add on the two holiday weekends in which films INCREASE...plus consider that weekday grosses are huge due to the holidays and right there, Oceans 11 would have no problem grossing over $130 million.......Muha's prediction is practically impossible!!!!!

[max]

Other than Roberts, who reportedly has only a glorified cameo in the film, no one else is a bona fide b.o. superstar. Pitt's last 3 films didn't exactly set the b.o. world on fire: THE MEXICAN ($65 mil. despite Roberts), SNATCH (around $30 mil., I think), FIGHT CLUB ($50 mil.). SPY GAME will probably make anywhere from $65-70 million. Same for Clooney. The real star of his only big hit, THE PERFECT STORM, was the wave. O BROTHER, WHERE ART THOU was a modest hit. THREE KINGS and OUT OF SIGHT were b.o. disappointments. Matt Damon has yet to find his b.o. touch. ALL THE PRETTY HORSES and LEGEND OF BAGGER VANCE were b.o. flops. THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY was a disappointment. The combination of Clooney, Pitt, Damon and Roberts may spell megahit, but it's no guarantee. I predict an opening weekend take of $35 mil. and a total gross of around $90 mil..

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by max:
Other than Roberts, who reportedly has only a glorified cameo in the film, no one else is a bona fide b.o. superstar. Pitt's last 3 films didn't exactly set the b.o. world on fire: THE MEXICAN ($65 mil. despite Roberts), SNATCH (around $30 mil., I think), FIGHT CLUB ($50 mil.). SPY GAME will probably make anywhere from $65-70 million. Same for Clooney. The real star of his only big hit, THE PERFECT STORM, was the wave. O BROTHER, WHERE ART THOU was a modest hit. THREE KINGS and OUT OF SIGHT were b.o. disappointments. Matt Damon has yet to find his b.o. touch. ALL THE PRETTY HORSES and LEGEND OF BAGGER VANCE were b.o. flops. THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY was a disappointment. The combination of Clooney, Pitt, Damon and Roberts may spell megahit, but it's no guarantee. I predict an opening weekend take of $35 mil. and a total gross of around $90 mil.. </font>


The Talented Mr.Ripley was far from a disappointment...it grossed over $80 million and only cost $30 million to make.......

[max]

Perhaps in relation to cost (actually a $40 mil. budget), MR. RIPLEY wasn't a disappointment. But Miramax, which spends tons on advertising, was expecting more. Regardless, Damon's last two films were huge flops. He can't carry a film yet the way his evil twin Ben can. In fact his next film, THE BOURNE IDENTIY, is such an obvious attempt to beef up his bankability.

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by max:
Perhaps in relation to cost (actually a $40 mil. budget), MR. RIPLEY wasn't a disappointment. But Miramax, which spends tons on advertising, was expecting more. Regardless, Damon's last two films were huge flops. He can't carry a film yet the way his evil twin Ben can. In fact his next film, THE BOURNE IDENTIY, is such an obvious attempt to beef up his bankability. </font>


So but you guys are blind to the appeal of OCEANS 11....it's the second most "wanted" to see film for December after LOTR, the cast, Julia Roberts last 5 films grossed over $530 million combined, George Clooney's last 2 films grossed $220 million combined, Brad Pitt may not be bankable but he's still a box office draw and Matt Damon has had his share of hits and misses. Then add Steven Soderberg whose last two films grossed $245 million combined......the film has alot of potential, it has it's opening weekend all to itself and no real direct competition until LOTR on Dec 19th , it's PG13 which means it can be seen by all demographics, awareness of the film is very high, the trailers are fun and it opens in the Christmas season which gives it 4 BIG weekends!!!!! The film has everything going for it and compared to other December releases except for Lord Of The Rings, Oceans 11 has EVERYTHING going for it..........OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

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[Irene Manor]

I don't think the movie is going to break records, but will do very well. Maybe 50 Million openning week and about 150 million all together. That is what Traffic did, and I think that Ocean 11's star power will balance to Traffics Oscar power.


I really thought THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS was the second most anticipated movie of the year. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Irene Manor:
I don't think the movie is going to break records, but will do very well. Maybe 50 Million openning week and about 150 million all together. That is what Traffic did, and I think that Ocean 11's star power will balance to Traffics Oscar power.


I really thought THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS was the second most anticipated movie of the year. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

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I heard that on Access Hollywood

[bskutle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by idealdiscountdude:
the film has alot of potential, it has it's opening weekend all to itself and no real direct competition until LOTR on Dec 19th </font>

Actually "Ali" also opens Dec. 7, plus, "Vanilla Sky"- despite the R rating- opens the week after and will likely cater to the same, "older" audience "Ocean's 11" is more geared to.

[max]

OCEAN'S 11 may open huge, it may not. It may have legs, it may not. But here are a few b.o. obstacles to consider. The trailers aren't very appealing (translation: too hip for general audiences). Audiences may be heisted out after 300 MILES TO GRACELAND, AMERICAN OUTLAWS, THE SCORE, SEXY BEAST and HEIST. It may be a good film, but it doesn't look like Oscar material, a major factor contributing to Soderbergh's b.o. successes with ERIN BROCKOVICH and TRAFFIC. It has stiff competition in the weeks ahead: VANILLA SKY, LORD OF THE RINGS, THE MAJESTIC, A BEAUTIFUL MIND, ALI, NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE. Plus you have holdovers like HARRY POTTER, SPY GAME, BEHIND ENEMY LINES and box-office guru Mike's pick, TEXAS RANGERS. So there.

[max]

Bskutle - ALI's been pushed back to Dec. 25th.

[bskutle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by max:
Bskutle - ALI's been pushed back to Dec. 25th. </font>

I hadn't heard that; thanks for the info.

[Muha]

Originally Posted by Idealdiscountdude:

You said and I quote "look at these LATEST box office results from these actors."

Ok... you do realize I listed brad Pitt's latest there dont you? The Mexican?

Originally Posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:

LOTR (maybe, but come on it dont look that great)

LOTR will smash Ocean's 11. Look at all the fanboys across the world. They've been waiting for years for this movie. 100 million copies sold across the world if you count the series as one book. If you count the series as 3 books or even the intended 6 by Tolkien... you have a monstrous amount of books sold. The reviews hail this movie. Peter Travers of Rolling Stone calls this movie Best Picture of the Year. The buzz is starting and the reviews will just make it bigger and bigger. It doesnt look that great... haha


Originally Posted By dicaprio_travolta_man:

i'm saying based on early polls taken about this movie, it's leading one of them by over 300 votes over LOTR, and Ali, and Not Another Teen Movie is in last place Ocean's 11 leads that film by over 600 votes

What poll is this from? I've seen polls from every movie site imaginable about this topic and Ocean's 11 is far behind. LOTR is usually extremely ahead of all thos eother movies. I assume that poll is from a teenage site.

Originally Posted by idealdiscountdude:
Muha's prediction is practically impossible!!!!!

here are some reasonable estimates on movies that are coming out in dec. (openings mind you.)

Lord of the Rings: not sure on the american amount itself, but its opening in 10,000 screens worldwide on dec. 19.

150 million dollars world wide... maybe 80 here... i dont think it will beat harry potter, but who knows.

The Majestic: Jim Carrey's last movie was the grinch, and that got around 55 million opening. now, the majestic has nowhere near the hype as the grinch, but oscar buzz could bring it near the 30 million opening.

Ali: Will Smith. Muhammad Ali. I think that's enough said there. 35-40 million dollars.

Not Another Teen Movie: This movie looks dumb and I think only teenagers will see this. 10 million opening.

A Beautiful Mind: Russell Crowe. Ron Howard. Oscar buzz. 25 million dollars opening.

after coming out on the 7th, i dont see oceans 11 pulling much more money once the 19th rolls around. by then, LOTR will enter and O's 11 will be in 2nd place. then, ali, the majestic, and a beautiful mind will be out.

ocean's eleven has nowhere near the hype of Planet of The Apes back in July. PLA made 68 million dollars opening then just weeks later, American Pie 2 and Rush Hour 2 came out and PLA sank. 68 million bucks opening and around 180 overall. thats not too good.

rush hour 2 made 67 million opening according to IMDB.com... it grossed 225 million overall... RH 2 didnt really have any competition until it finally burned out.

point is that PLA had a greater hype and the movies coming out after it slowed it down significantly. RH2 had a great opening and had a good run because it had not a lot of competition. the reviews for it werent that great either.... i liked it tho.


wow... a lot typed. man, im done.

[Tuukka]

I think Ocean's Eleven will make around 100-120 million. I don't really see a big mainstream appeal in the film. It's a lightweight heist film, and the trailers make it seem that the film is more interested in being hip and cool instead of being funny, exciting, romantic or action-orientated. I'm sure it's a good film, but what does it actually have to appeal to the masses? The stars. That's the only thing. But lot's of big stars in one film NEVER means big B.O, unless the film itself is appealing. According to the trailers the flick is not gonna have much crossover appeal. It has not enough comedy, action, suspense or romance to make it really big. And it's not gonna get nominated for the best picture, since it's intentionally a very lightweight heist film.

And yes, the film has an enourmous amount of competition. It's gonna suffer a lot because of more mainstream appealing flicks. And yes, LOTR is gonna be a juggernaut performer for at least two-three weeks. Many films are going to lose steam because of it.

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[beastieben21]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:

NOTE: Not Another Teen Movie, One of the biggest Movies this month?? Make Me Fucking Laugh

Remember Almost Famous the one evrybody thought would be a blockbuster but in reality it bombed, well the same might happen with Vanilla Sky, I dont think thats going to be that HUGE........... Sure Tom Cruise is in it, but that dont mean it will do well, just because a movie Has a famous name on the poster dont mean it's a blockbuster, let's see here, A.I. anybody??? Steven Spielberg, "oh it will do great because i'm attached" it bombed.
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There are SO many things wrong with what you said. First off, I think Not Another Teen Movie will play to the same audience as Scary Movie, and i know quite a few people that will see it, and I think we all remember how Scary Movie did...I'd pick NATM as a sleeper hit, nothing huge, but much more money then people are expecting. Second, comparing Vanilla Sky to Almost Famous is the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. First off, they are NOTHING alike. Dreamworks SLOWLY rolled Almost Famous into theaters ala American Beauty, and thats why it grossed so low. Also, Almost Famous was mainly lead by an indie cast, something that CANT be said about Vanilla Sky. Also, Vanilla Sky is an adult mystery film, and Almost Famous was a coming of age music film. So, if your going to make comparisons, at LEAST make them good ones.
Lastly, though A.I. did not have good legs at all, a 30 million opening is FAR from bad. "just because a movie Has a famous name on the poster dont mean it's a blockbuster" First of all, the grammer errors alone should make you pass by that sentence, but unlike A.I. which had only Steven Speilberg (id hardly call Haley or Law a big star), this movie has Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz, the whole love thing between Cruise and Cruz, and Cameron Crowe. It will do good, trust me.

[Tuukka]

A.I has made around 250 million worldwide, so it's not actually a bomb... Spielberg made a lot of money with it.

[idealdiscountdude]

Muha and Max you totally miss my point but really i don't give a frig anymore and I don't think that Vanilla Sky is serious competition for Oceans 11.....I don't think that Vanilla Sky will even open in first place if Oceans 11 opens huge....I predict Vanilla Sky to earn $22 million it's debut weekend and end up with about $105 million total.

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[Mike Damone]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tuukka:
I'm sure it's a good film, but what does it actually have to appeal to the masses? The stars. That's the only thing. But lot's of big stars in one film NEVER means big B.O, unless the film itself is appealing.
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Exactly! Look at the biggest flop in movie history....Town & Country. This movie had a lot of names attached and it failed miserably. This movie had Warren Beatty, Diane Keaton, Andie MacDowell, Garry Shandling, Jenna Elfman, Nastassja Kinski, Goldie Hawn, Charlton Heston, and Josh Hartnett in it and made about $4-5 million!!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
And please tell me what two movies are sandwhiching Ocean's 11, LOTR (maybe, but come on it dont look that great) and ??????????????????????????</font>

If you really have to be told, yes I meant LOTR and that little film by the name of Harry Potter which should have no problem breaking $300 million.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by idealdiscountdude:
Oceans 11 opens in a big money making month, which means if it grosses $40 million it's first weekend, it will gross upwards of $10-$12 million during the week which gives it around $52 million in its first 7 days......if the film falls by say 50% in it's second week (which I highly doubt) it will gross $20 million plus another $5-7 million during the week gives it around $79 million in it's first two weeks.....then add on the two holiday weekends in which films INCREASE...plus consider that weekday grosses are huge due to the holidays and right there, Oceans 11 would have no problem grossing over $130 million.......Muha's prediction is practically impossible!!!!!</font>

You are putting way too much faith in this film's longevity. The main reason Traffic stayed around for so long was because it was nominated for Best Picture(something Ocean's 11 won't have.) Look at the movies released it's opening weekend last year:

Vertical Limit- decent opening of $16mil but ended up with only about $75-80 million
Proof of Life- bad opening of only $10.4mil and was out of the picture by Christmas time(probably ended with about $30-40 million)

I think Ocean's 11 will probably have an opening of a little more than the sum of those two movies($35mil) because it is relatively uncontested that weekend. However, after that it will have plenty of competition and end up with a total gross of close to that of the sum of last year's movies($100-120mil.)

And don't underestimate Not Another Teen Movie...if crap like Dude, Where's My Car can have a $14mil opener, then NOTM can definitely come close to a Scary Movie-like opening weekend.

[dh1989]

I predict "Ocean's 11" to make 165 million dollars in all and 45 million opening weekend. Why, because the trailers are great with a lot of hipness, comedy, and action. Brad Pitt is a great actor and with his great "Friends" appearance and the great "Spy Game" he is really at the top of his game. George Clooney is a great actor and will attract women. Matt Damon is a teen magnet and has some good movies under his belt. Julia Roberts has spicy smart lines in the trailer which reminds me of "Erin". Plus the audience always says stuff like "whoa he is a good driector" when they say Sodbergh's two big hits.


P.S. I heard that Matt Damon also has a glorified cameo like Roberts but they can be shown in the trailer for a hot face.

[Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">NOTE: Not Another Teen Movie, One of the biggest Movies this month?? Make Me Fucking Laugh</font>

Well you'll be laughing alright when Not Another Teen Movie crosses that 100 Million mark. I don't care what anyone says it will be pretty big, it looks fucking hilarious and a lot of people want to see it. I think it will make at least 100 Million.

And I must say that the cast is the main thing that's attracting me to Oceans Eleven, the cast is great. The trailers look decent but not great but with it's cast I'll be sure to see it. I think I'll be going next weekend. And the movie is going to be a big hit no matter what, most people can't resist that cast.

ALI looks boring as all hell, I won't be seeing it.

And I agree that Vanilla Sky will probably open with around 22 Million, maybe 25.

Here's my predictions for the weekend of December 14th:

1. OCEANS ELEVEN
2. NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE
3. VANILLA SKY
4. HARRY POTTER
5. BEHIND ENEMY LINES

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by beastieben21:

There are SO many things wrong with what you said. First off, I think Not Another Teen Movie will play to the same audience as Scary Movie, and i know quite a few people that will see it, and I think we all remember how Scary Movie did...I'd pick NATM as a sleeper hit, nothing huge, but much more money then people are expecting. Second, comparing Vanilla Sky to Almost Famous is the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. First off, they are NOTHING alike. Dreamworks SLOWLY rolled Almost Famous into theaters ala American Beauty, and thats why it grossed so low. Also, Almost Famous was mainly lead by an indie cast, something that CANT be said about Vanilla Sky. Also, Vanilla Sky is an adult mystery film, and Almost Famous was a coming of age music film. So, if your going to make comparisons, at LEAST make them good ones.
Lastly, though A.I. did not have good legs at all, a 30 million opening is FAR from bad. "just because a movie Has a famous name on the poster dont mean it's a blockbuster" First of all, the grammer errors alone should make you pass by that sentence, but unlike A.I. which had only Steven Speilberg (id hardly call Haley or Law a big star), this movie has Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz, the whole love thing between Cruise and Cruz, and Cameron Crowe. It will do good, trust me. </font>

First Of all you have to relise that I DONT TRUST ANYBODY...... I'm Sorry about the grammer i didnt know you were my FUCKING english teacher!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe Vaniila sky will do well i'm not saying it wont (i'm guessing at least 130 million total) I was just saying that "just because Tom Cruise is in it does not mean it's going to be HUGE) And I'm hoping Not Another Teen Movie does well i mean i really want to see it... Reason why i said make me fucking laugh is because IMO it's not going to be one of the biggest movies this year..... Although I could be wrong, Last December Save The Last Dance did a Hell of alot better then i thought it would, I dont know though, I'll just wait and find out........ One Question why do you have to disrespect me in every way possibe?????????? What you said was Cruel and really pissed me off....... You made it sound like My opinion doesn't count but your's does........... That was Uncalled for.... Thank You For Your Time....

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
Originally Posted by Idealdiscountdude:

You said and I quote "look at these LATEST box office results from these actors."

Ok... you do realize I listed brad Pitt's latest there dont you? The Mexican?

Originally Posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:

LOTR (maybe, but come on it dont look that great)

LOTR will smash Ocean's 11. Look at all the fanboys across the world. They've been waiting for years for this movie. 100 million copies sold across the world if you count the series as one book. If you count the series as 3 books or even the intended 6 by Tolkien... you have a monstrous amount of books sold. The reviews hail this movie. Peter Travers of Rolling Stone calls this movie Best Picture of the Year. The buzz is starting and the reviews will just make it bigger and bigger. It doesnt look that great... haha


Originally Posted By dicaprio_travolta_man:

i'm saying based on early polls taken about this movie, it's leading one of them by over 300 votes over LOTR, and Ali, and Not Another Teen Movie is in last place Ocean's 11 leads that film by over 600 votes

What poll is this from? I've seen polls from every movie site imaginable about this topic and Ocean's 11 is far behind. LOTR is usually extremely ahead of all thos eother movies. I assume that poll is from a teenage site.

Originally Posted by idealdiscountdude:
Muha's prediction is practically impossible!!!!!

here are some reasonable estimates on movies that are coming out in dec. (openings mind you.)

Lord of the Rings: not sure on the american amount itself, but its opening in 10,000 screens worldwide on dec. 19.

150 million dollars world wide... maybe 80 here... i dont think it will beat harry potter, but who knows.

The Majestic: Jim Carrey's last movie was the grinch, and that got around 55 million opening. now, the majestic has nowhere near the hype as the grinch, but oscar buzz could bring it near the 30 million opening.

Ali: Will Smith. Muhammad Ali. I think that's enough said there. 35-40 million dollars.

Not Another Teen Movie: This movie looks dumb and I think only teenagers will see this. 10 million opening.

A Beautiful Mind: Russell Crowe. Ron Howard. Oscar buzz. 25 million dollars opening.

after coming out on the 7th, i dont see oceans 11 pulling much more money once the 19th rolls around. by then, LOTR will enter and O's 11 will be in 2nd place. then, ali, the majestic, and a beautiful mind will be out.

ocean's eleven has nowhere near the hype of Planet of The Apes back in July. PLA made 68 million dollars opening then just weeks later, American Pie 2 and Rush Hour 2 came out and PLA sank. 68 million bucks opening and around 180 overall. thats not too good.

rush hour 2 made 67 million opening according to IMDB.com... it grossed 225 million overall... RH 2 didnt really have any competition until it finally burned out.

point is that PLA had a greater hype and the movies coming out after it slowed it down significantly. RH2 had a great opening and had a good run because it had not a lot of competition. the reviews for it werent that great either.... i liked it tho.


wow... a lot typed. man, im done.</font>

What the Fuck??????????? Do you think your Jesus Fucking Christ or somethin????? Holy Shit...... And no that poll is not from a stupid immature little teen site It is actually from an entertainment magizine.... and IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO,Get that straight God dam it, IMO LOTR does not look that great I thought the books were Boreing, And that Frodo was really annoying........ Get It???? I hate being mean i really do it's not apart of me, but reading somethin like that annoys me, I/m sorry for lashing out on you like that, I really am, but come on PLEASE will you let me have my opinion, I rather enjoy this website. i also rather enjoy being a really nice guy with a good sence of humor, but come on lay off.........

P.S.- since when did 180 million total become not that great, LOL, I think that kind of money is Pretty Damn Good, 180 million means it was a blockbuster, hell even over 100 mill. means the movie was either a blockbuster or did really really well......

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[idealdiscountdude]

Muha.........

Firstly, Planet Of The Apes opened big and dropped drastically because of mediocre word of mouth, alot of people didn't like it and a lot of people did, it was not because of intense competition cuz if ur saying that Rush Hour 2 had no competition, you'd realize that POTA opened one week before it. Rush Hour 2 did have some competition to with American Pie 2 but both films had legs and both went on to spectacula final grosses And it's $180 million dollar gross is very good.

Secondly, Oscar buzz doesn't mean a whole lot(Almost Famous ring any bells?)....A Beautiful Mind $25 million opening???? Yeah friggin right! Maybe $10 million but it will have legs that will give it a good final gross.

Lastly, what planet are you from?????? Oceans 11 has had alot of buzz, positive buzz at that. It's going to be big, the general public wants to see it!!!!

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[beastieben21]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
One Question why do you have to disrespect me in every way possibe?????????? What you said was Cruel and really pissed me off....... You made it sound like My opinion doesn't count but your's does........... That was Uncalled for.... Thank You For Your Time....</font>

I didn't mean to attack you, its just that I thought what you said didn't make a great deal of sense. I wasn't attacking your opinion or your intelligence, it was just that your statements had a lot of things wrong with them, and a lot of facts contradict what you said. I was a little angry at the time, because I think this whole things been taken out of proportion, so for my evil tone I apologize. I guess I just think we should put more mature views on things, being that this isn't a board for little kids, and when I see weird radical statements made (which there have been a lot of on this topic) it irratates me. But, I apologize, and didn't intend to offend you.

[Mike Damone]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
One Question why do you have to disrespect me in every way possibe?????????? What you said was Cruel and really pissed me off....... You made it sound like My opinion doesn't count but your's does........... That was Uncalled for.... Thank You For Your Time....</font>

Ok, let me just say that you should look at the first page of this topic. Muha gave his opinion which is perfectly alright(albeit not very likely), and all the sudden people are jumping on his back. His view is that the movie will underachieve, and while it represents the extreme, it is possible. I don't agree with all his comments since then, but he has a right to defend his opinion.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
And yes everybody is entitled to there opinion and were also entitled to give constructive critisim about that opinion..</font>

Is this what you call constructive criticism?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by idealdiscountdude:
dicaprio_travolta_man...me , you and Mike are like the smartest people on here..... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif LOL</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FlickJunkie:
You don't know shit about the Box Office do you?</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
You and Mike, Smart???? YEAH RIGHT
As for ME I know I'm smart ALOT smarter then you two http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif, (Just Kidding)</font>

I understand you guys are really excited about this movie but that doesn't make your opinion any more meaningful than anyone else's. When Muha made his guess, there wasn't any constructive criticism given. I didn't read anything that actually supported the high guesses until dicaprio_travolta_man's post about ALI, and that was at the bottom of the page. Personally, I don't give a shit about anyone's grammar mistakes or where they get their polls, if you can back up your opinion then post it.

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

Now, for a lighter subject, Has anybody noticed that this topic has turned into a Bloody-Brawl of right and wrong?????????? I mean shit the Fists are flying, LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif.... I'm just saying that Ocean's 11 will be pretty big, I'm not saying it wont have any competition because it will, we have alot of great movies opening this December, LOTR, Vanilla Sky, Not Another Teen Movie, and ALI.... But the one I am most looking forward to is Ocean's 11....... Oh and it's No Problem, I Understand where your coming from BeastieBen, Thank You for appoligising......

[JoBlo]

Do I really need to remind anyone that a "prediction" is simply one person's OPINION...nothing more and nothing less??

Now unless one of you can tell me that you are a certified psychic, we're all right and we're all going to be wrong about our picks at some point or another, so just CHILL OUT, RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS and let's get back to the point of this topic, which is supposed to be "fun"...predicting box-office figures...

Oh yeah, I'm also moving this to the CURRENT MOVIE TALK forum --&gt;

[idealdiscountdude]

Mike Damone, in the words of the Vanilla Sky trailer "Open Your Eyes"!

As you could see by the LOL and the http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif in my post about being smart, you could obviously tell that I was joking.

CHILL OUT!