Michael Moore's oscar speech (FAO Tweek)

[JCR]

My latest reply to the Michael Moore hates America thread went a little off topic. So I’ll post it here instead:

Originally posted by Tweek
then his academy award should be revoked.
and he should have no claims that what he says in his movies are the God-given truth.

remember his Oscar speech?

" I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to â€" they're here in solidarity with me because we like non-fiction. We like non-fiction and we live in fictitious times.
We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president.
We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.
Whether it's the fiction of duct tape or fiction of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush.
Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you.
And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up.
Thank you very much." "


How contradictory with what he's saying now.
i feel bad for the people that believe him.

What's he saying now that's different to what he's said there? And what has he said there that's untrue?

1 "We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president."

There is page after page of evidence in Stupid White Men that suggests that Al Gore won Florida in 2000. I don't really know if that's true or not, but there is enough to suggest something fishy has gone on.

2. "We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons."

And? That is completely true. The ONLY reason bush legally had for going to war was that Iraq had dangerous weapons of mass destruction. And they didn't. I can find page after page of bush quotes on the issue that are lies/untrue if you'd like. Without the weapons, the USA invading Iraq was about as legal as Germany invading Poland. In fact I find it surprising bush repeatedly lied to the American public and no one seems to care. Oh well. NB: Last week the former head of the USA team searching for weapons in Iraq said anyone still expecting to find any was "delusional". (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3778987.stm)

3. "Whether it's the fiction of duct tape or fiction of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you."

Yeah, issuing alerts saying Al Qaeda are about to attack is really doing everyone a world of good. I’d rather they shut the fuck up and worked on stopping them, personally. And as for being against the war- isn’t this war costing US taxpayers a billion dollars a week? Couldn’t that money have been better used? Oh well, to late now.

4. "And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up."

Last week, reportedly the pope had to be persuaded into meeting bush. He hadn’t wanted to do it at first. And if you look at the text of his speech that day, it’s not very positive, is it? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3773545.stm)

5. "How contradictory with what he's saying now. I feel bad for the people that believe him."

Erm… I’m pretty sure Moore is still saying all that stuff now. In fact I believe he’s just made a film about it. It’s called Fahrenheit 9/11. Out June 25. Go see. And as for me, well I feel bad for the people who believe bush.

[Raoul Duke]

"'Attel do, pig....'Attel do..."

Not that you're a pig...Just....Good job, dude.

[Tweek]

I just put that there because he says he deals in non-fiction but his films are blantantly one-sided and do not stand well as documentaries.


Not saying that the rest of what he said isn't true.

[SLAW]

Originally posted by Tweek
I just put that there because he says he deals in non-fiction but his films are blantantly one-sided and do not stand well as documentaries.

Many of us disagree. And again, What Michael Moore did at the Oscars took some serious balls. He didn't even hesitate, nor has he ever. A great humanitarian who puts people before everything else.

[Tweek]

yeah i was in shock when he said that, not cause of what he said, but because it took guts to say on one of the most watched programs.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by SLAW
A great humanitarian who puts people before everything else.


If he was putting people first, he could have been more polite about it.

[SLAW]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
If he was putting people first, he could have been more polite about it.

Just the fact that he said anything like what he did say would seem impolite then. You know, if you really think it was impolite.

[BubbaStrangelove]

I just remember him being very loud -- not so much passionate. "Shame on you." is a pretty childish way to put anything. Anyone who remotely agrees with The President is going to jump away from a comment like that, because Moore is talking to Bush like he were a child. That is all fine, but not when you are trying to make a point. Moore was simply disrespectful, and you can't win respect by being like that. I stand by what Moore's point was, but not his way of presenting it.

[SLAW]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I just remember him being very loud -- not so much passionate. "Shame on you." is a pretty childish way to put anything. Anyone who remotely agrees with The President is going to jump away from a comment like that, because Moore is talking to Bush like he were a child. That is all fine, but not when you are trying to make a point. Moore was simply disrespectful, and you can't win respect by being like that. I stand by what Moore's point was, but not his way of presenting it.

That seems kind of fair to me. Except I think it was an overabundnace of passion on Moore's part that made him lay it down that way. Also, I personally am happy with his speech. I look back on it with much fondness.

[Raymond Babbit]

You know, people always complain about that speech, and say it wasn't the place to do it, etc. My view on that is that the man just won an award! What better place to say it! If you're gonna say something like that, you should say it where it's gonna get the most attention, like at the Oscars, after you've just won! To me, by saying it wasn't the place, those people are saying he shouldn't have said it on tv at all, which to me, isn't fair to him. Makes his opinion seem less important than everyone else's. Also, if that was wrong, how come the news (which is always a cheerleader for whatever war is going on) was showing updates during commercials. People said what Moore did was wrong, cause people didn't wanna think about the war, so wasn't that wrong too?