Euthanasia

[quoth_the_raven]

Following on from the abortion thread, I'd thought I'd launch off on this obvious tangent. Who here is in favour of allowing terminally ill persons a quicker option? I am- I've watched my grandfather die very slowly of cancer and my mother works with terminally ill patients- I've heard enough and seen enough to know that some people should be given the right to die when the alternative is slow suffering.

but what do you all think?

[Annie Hall]

While I don't know if I've thought it entirely through or heard all of the opposing arguments, as far as I can tell, I agree with it.

Forcing someone to live through an illness that will be long, painful, and definitely kill them seems pointless.

[flowrchild]

I'm all for it. If someone wants to die, that is their choice and their right. I don't think it's anyone else's business.

[Raoul Duke]

Originally posted by flowrchild
I'm all for it. If someone wants to die, that is their choice and their right. I don't think it's anyone else's business.


Same. If I were dying a slow terrible death, I would want to go as soon as possible.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Governor Jeb Bush overturned Florida courts because he says everyone has a right to live.

I don't know if anyone caught this topic (Sorry Quoth, I posted this before reading your topic, but I still think it's a topic unto itself)

http://joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78000



I think this is another religeous debate, that should stay out of politics. If the people vote to let people die, then they vote that way, but leave it up to the states. The Federal government should stay the hell out.

[Morgana]

I'm for it. Terminally ill patients should have the right to die in dignity and on their terms. I can't imagine the degree of pain one feels when they are being eaten away by cancer, but I know I wouldn't even want my dog to go through it. I simply think the terminally ill should have the right to end their suffering.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Morgana
I'm for it. Terminally ill patients should have the right to die in dignity and on their terms. I can't imagine the degree of pain one feels when they are being eaten away by cancer, but I know I wouldn't even want my dog to go through it.

My thoughts exactly.

But there must be guidelines re: consent.

[SLAW]

Originally posted by Morgana
I can't imagine the degree of pain one feels when they are being eaten away by cancer, but I know I wouldn't even want my dog to go through it. I simply think the terminally ill should have the right to end their suffering.

That's ansolutley right, and we don't let our dogs go through it, so why make humans? I'm all for circumstantial euthanasia.





















And it should be covered by everyone's HMO

[QUENTIN]

I hate when people throw around terms like "right to live", sure everyone has the right to live, but they can also choose not to excercise that right. Using the same logic as their argument, everyone should have a right to die. Cruelty (and perhaps the belief that God has a special time reserved for everyone to kick the bucket) is the only reason to keep a terminally ill patient alive if they want to be killed. Why can't the government stay the fuck out of people's personal decisions about what to do with their bodies?

[SAI]

If someone is terminally ill, suffering and wants to end their pain I say let them do it. Let them die comfortable and with dignity.

As for these right to live people... let's see how those beliefs hold up if the have to trade places with a dying cancer patient.

[DRbeauty]

Anyone who believes that euthansasia is wrong should work where I work. The cancer floor. I can't even imagine living or more appropriate dying with cancer. AIDS patients too... Sad. This one patient I had the other day, we had to restrain her because she had AIDS associated dementia, and she asked me, 'why won't you let me die?' I'm going to die anyways. And I didn't really know what to say. So I pretended I didn't hear her... Just joking. But it was really hard to answer because, why were we keeping her alive??

[Tom Samborski]

Like the majority here, I support euthanasia. If a person does not want to spend his/her last dying hours in so much pain, they deserve the right to have their lives ended by their own request. A peaceful death is better than a painful one.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
My thoughts exactly.

But there must be guidelines re: consent.

What about if the person was unable to make the decision to themselves? would you extend it to next of kin etc?

I'm just curious and its another discussion point...

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
What about if the person was unable to make the decision to themselves? would you extend it to next of kin etc?

I'm just curious and its another discussion point...

Yeah, spouse/next-of-kin COULD work...um, I dunno, I'd like an impartial outside opinion too, just in case some kids try offing Granny for her Lady Di' mug and tea-towel.

[Grebdron]

I watched my father rot away from cancer. I watched the doctors perform one unnecessary operation after another.

He should have been allowed to stop it.

[cstroman]

I'm all for it. If someone wants to die, that is their choice and their right. I don't think it's anyone else's business.
So if someone decided to jump from a building or put a gun in their mouths and blow their heads off, your opinion is that we should be taking bets on how large a splat radius they'll make or whether their brains will leave a stain or not.

Let's make it legal so I can walk into the nearest 7 Eleven, force him to write a suicide note, and blow the clerks head off and take the money. Then when they try and prosecute me for murder I will claim that as you can see he was distraught and wanted to kill himself and offered me the money in the till if I went out to my lowrider and got a gun and helped him.

Think people. THINK. Let's not evolve BACK into Apes here regardless of what PETA wants.

:rolleyes:

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by cstroman
So if someone decided to jump from a building or put a gun in their mouths and blow their heads off, your opinion is that we should be taking bets on how large a splat radius they'll make or whether their brains will leave a stain or not.

Let's make it legal so I can walk into the nearest 7 Eleven, force him to write a suicide note, and blow the clerks head off and take the money. Then when they try and prosecute me for murder I will claim that as you can see he was distraught and wanted to kill himself and offered me the money in the till if I went out to my lowrider and got a gun and helped him.

Think people. THINK. Let's not evolve BACK into Apes here regardless of what PETA wants.

:rolleyes:

Yes, let them kill themselves.

Your analogy holds no water. Murder and suicide being two completely different animals and all.

[cstroman]

Your analogy holds no water. Murder and suicide being two completely different animals and all.

And the difference is...? And is defined by....? And you better have a VERY good thorough explanation of why one is wrong and the other is right, SCIENTIFICALLY speaking of course.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by cstroman
And the difference is...? And is defined by....? And you better have a VERY good thorough explanation of why one is wrong and the other is right, SCIENTIFICALLY speaking of course.


???

Murder's not different than suicide.

Alrighty then.

[cstroman]

Explain how it is and why. That's my question for you.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by cstroman
Explain how it is and why. That's my question for you.

I shant bother.

I'm intolerant of stupid questions.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by cstroman
Explain how it is and why. That's my question for you.

Murder is the unlawful killing of a person by another with the intent of doing so or with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

Suicide, while still a killing, is normally done by a persons own hand.

Euthanasia, if allowed, would presumably remove the unlawful part of the definition.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
Murder is the unlawful killing of a person by another with the intent of doing so or with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

Suicide, while still a killing, is normally done by a persons own hand.

Euthanasia, if allowed, would presumably remove the unlawful part of the definition.

Quoth the lawyer, evermore.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by cstroman
So if someone decided to jump from a building or put a gun in their mouths and blow their heads off, your opinion is that we should be taking bets on how large a splat radius they'll make or whether their brains will leave a stain or not.

Let's make it legal so I can walk into the nearest 7 Eleven, force him to write a suicide note, and blow the clerks head off and take the money. Then when they try and prosecute me for murder I will claim that as you can see he was distraught and wanted to kill himself and offered me the money in the till if I went out to my lowrider and got a gun and helped him.

Think people. THINK. Let's not evolve BACK into Apes here regardless of what PETA wants.

:rolleyes:

Say what?

:confused:

You're pissing up the wrong lamp-post here brotha!

Rolleye smiley, pffft.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
:

You're pissing up the wrong lamp-post here brotha!

.

BCV in "street" shocker ;)

[bowieee]

The government can't stop people from killing themsleves but at least they can set up a structured way of them doing it peacefully with assistance. After watching what Cancer can do to a human Being first hand, euthanasia would defiently be a route I would think about if I ever found myself on that path.