what the hell is wrong with laurie strode???

[darchangel]

<mini-spoilers>


okay, so we're to understand that laurie leaves jamie with a foster family in parts 4 & 5...that's all yippie skippy and all, but then in H20, she won't let her other kid out of her sight!!!


so my question is: why did she love her son more than her daughter? (she obviously did, or she wouldn't have left jamie behind to be eventually slaughtered by michael)


that always bugged me and i needed to get it off my chest...okay...i'm better now...




Death to Beth

~darchangel~

[Zing!]

For the simple reason that J.L. Curtis asked Akkad to do it that way. She wanted no continuity with the sequels for H20 as part of her contract. One of the many reasons I don't care for H20 all that much.

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by Zing!
For the simple reason that J.L. Curtis asked Akkad to do it that way. She wanted no continuity with the sequels for H20 as part of her contract. One of the many reasons I don't care for H20 all that much.

What he said.

H20 doesn't acknowledge that parts 4,5, and 6 ever existed. Therefore the Laurie in H20 never had a daughter.

[Elgyn]

Yeah, it`s called bad continuity.

[XCoRyX]

and its also called "laughing at the people that praise JLC like she is that great for the series" because she was great in 1 & 2, but after the move she did killing off 4-6 (4 & 6 being my 2 favorites), its obvious she isn't that great for the series.

On a story saver mode, if I was behind the writing wheel,I would've explained it to the point where Laurie didn't want Jamie in the middle of all the chaos, so she thought she could outsmart Michael, but after learning she obviously couldn't,and later having John, she figured she mine as well put up a fight of sorts, and rather then have Michael hunt John down by himself,she wanted to be by Johns side...

(why did I just try and defend this stupid plothole made thanks to JLC & Akkad?)

[Duke Nukem]

It can also be called belated storytelling and switching to a fresh, new storyline.

The H1-2-4-5-6 formula would tell Michael going after Laurie, Laurie's daughter Jamie Lloyd, and Jamie's son Stephen, and Dr. Loomis going after Michael the whole way though.

Obviously, the last two sequels ignore that by going with the H1-2-7-8, with Michael going after Laurie, Laurie's son John Tate, and Dr. Loomis going after Michael half way through.

It's messed up, I know. Jamie Lee Curtis apparantly thought of the idea of H20 ("Hmm, its been, oh my god, almost 20 years since I did 'Halloween'! I should do a 20th anniversary sequel!"). Moustapha Akkad likely loved the idea of Michael catching up with Laurie after 20 years, and likely loved also because Jamie Lee demanded that H4-6's ties be ignored, which would provide the storyline with clean slate after the he and Dimension fucked up H6.

I used to hate Akkad with a passion for going along with this because how much it messed up the storyline with story holes. In fact, I thought of really great ideas of how John Tate and Tommy Doyle could go back to Haddonfield and stop Michael once for all. Kara Strode, also from H6, would be in along with Michael's and Jamie Lloyd's son Stephen, would be in it. It would have been cool if Lindsay Wallace (girl from the original) could be re-introduced as a fucked up and grown up character (a la Tommy Doyle in H6). Most of all, I knew how to correct the story holes by do this and teaming up all these characters.

However, I finally realized recently I was being naive and that Akkad would never ever go back to the H4-6 storyline. There were story holes in H20 and H8 and Akkad knew it. Because he was trying to ignore those mid-sequels for a reason. I don't like anymore than you guys, but I have no more passion anymore in hating Akkad over it.

Now, all I care is that Akkad at least uses that last survivor in Michael's family - John Tate. When Akkad opted for H20+ storyline, he had a responsibility to use for what its worth, and that means using John Tate and having Michael go after him. That's the only reason for the boogeyman's existence. In fact, since H9 would at least 4 years since H20, John could have a kid and family, so there would be more at stake. I think this is a good idea. I think I'll try to come up with good script out of this.

One more thing - Josh Hartnett doesn't want to reprise his role as John Tate. He could be replaced with a different actor. They did that with Danielle Harris from H4-5 to H6, and it worked out okay.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
One more thing - Josh Hartnett doesn't want to reprise his role as John Tate. He could be replaced with a different actor. They did that with Danielle Harris from H4-5 to H6, and it worked out okay.

I thought the new actress for "H6" sucked.

Duke, I will NEVER understand why you have such faith that Akkad & his cronies will do the right thing with the series.

[Duke Nukem]

I suppose I'm being naive. I guess I just want to have hope for this beloved series. After all, the original is my favorite horror film. And, I even enjoy each and every H-film in their own way. Again, will just have to see what happens.

[XCoRyX]

I see where Dukes coming from in every possible way, what true fan wouldn't want something great or fresh or good to happen to their favorite film, or one of them.

I was and still tend to get like that way in times (naive, not calling you particuarly naive, just stating me), but after H20, Resurrection , I just lost that part in me mostly.

[Elgyn]

Oh don`t get me wrong: I know exactly how Duke feels. I would LOVE for the series to go back to the old storylines, and be GOOD movies again.

But, sadly, I don`t see it happening.....

[Trail_Blazer]

I'd like to see good Halloween storylines again as well, but I think as long as big Mikey is on the big screen I'll be happy as will most of the majority of the Halloween fans (whether they wanna admit it or not)

[Boogeyman]

It's sad but true. The series has started to go downhill once again. I, personally, loved H20. I know it didn't "feel" like a Halloween sequel but after two, none of them felt like the first two. I just thought it was so much better to have the original victim from the first, to come back and revive the series. I would much rather see Jamie Lee Curtis and Michael Myers going at it again than something like Halloween 6's sloppy attempt to "explain" Michael. That aspect totally turned me off.

However, being the hardcore Halloween fan I am...I'll see them all. It doesn't matter that I prayed that they stopped at H20...I saw Resurrection. However, I hope they make 9 so to wrap up the series in a dignified, respectful way. But, with Jamie Lee Curtis, Donald Pleasence, and Josh Hartnett doubtfully coming back, I just don't see how it's possible.

later

[TheDeadWalk]

Haven't any of you guys seen Crossroads?!?!?!

Shame!

:D

[Thurisaz]

i could tie those together... i'd act like 8 never happened...

and ---

the survivors from 6 and 7 meet up... jamie returns to haddonfield and runs into tommy doyle and realized he has her grandchild and that's when her son finds out he had a sister that she abandoned so he gets pissed and runs off... and ends up deaaaaaaaaad and i'd have the little boy (Danny) be the killer because he'd be grown up (w/ a Myers mask of course)...

i also have an idea of how they could tie Freddy vs Jason with Halloween: Resurrection and make that Michael vs Jason that they wanted to do, but i won't go into detail on that....

let's just say i'm obsessed with the halloween series and i'd love to direct one cause the first two things i do is get KANE HODDER to play The Shape and i'd have Tom Savini do the Special FX and take it back old school style!

[masknslasher86]

I don't think kane hodder would be the best selection as the shape. I don't even think he was that great as Jason. To me he gave Jason a personality by the way he walked. I thought Michael was the scariest when he walked slowly and he was thinner, and his mask had no expression. If you watch Halloween 1 or 2 then straight to 8 you can easily tell were the series went wrong with Michael Myers. I think the jason series wasn't scary at all because Jason was like a WWE wrestler behind a mask.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by masknslasher86
I don't think kane hodder would be the best selection as the shape. I don't even think he was that great as Jason. To me he gave Jason a personality by the way he walked. I thought Michael was the scariest when he walked slowly and he was thinner, and his mask had no expression. If you watch Halloween 1 or 2 then straight to 8 you can easily tell were the series went wrong with Michael Myers. I think the jason series wasn't scary at all because Jason was like a WWE wrestler behind a mask.


You mean... Kane?

Ironic, in a way.

[masknslasher86]

It is ironic but i mean jason is a little too built

[TheDeadWalk]

My brother and sister's father re-married, started a new family, had three kids, and acted like they never existed again, all the while living 15 miles away.

Parents leave their children behind and start anew all the time. Quite assholish I'd have to say. But it happens.

[Elgyn]

That`s really sad Dead Walk.:confused:

[foxgate2000]

Originally posted by Boogeyman
But, with Jamie Lee Curtis, Donald Pleasence, and Josh Hartnett doubtfully coming back, I just don't see how it's possible.


um....Donald Pleasence is dead. So he DEFINITELY won't be coming back.

[RavenBlade]

I don't think Halloween:H20 forgot about 4,5, and 6.

I took a screen cap of the opening montage in
H20, and found a photo of scissors and to the
right of the picture it says Aorta Punctured,
and if memory serves me correct the only two
people to be stabbed with scissors were
Rachel and Jaimes Step Mother.

I think this was bought up before but not sure.

Well, it's a minor touch but worth noting.


Photo is attached below.

Raven

[Wolfman]

For someone like me, who thought that every Halloween after Part 2 sucked, H20 was kind of nice. It let the casual fan back into the story, allowed Jamie Lee Curtis' character to finally get back at the villain, and removed a whole lot of crap that happened in between.

Michael went from being just a stone cold crazy dude to being the embodiment of some weird druidic rites, back to being a crazy evil dude. That's fine with me.

[teenkiller]

Duke, although you have some great ideas there, I am really super duper glad they went with what we saw in Resurrection!
I mean come on, Michael doesn't even have a story in this one. He used to want to kill his family. Now he has to kill random people who showed up to his house for a reality tv show! The smartest thing this series ever did was cashing in on the reality trend that was running rampant at this time. Up to that point the series was just flowing too coherently don't you think? We NEEDED something that wouldn't let it gel as smoothly. CONTINUITY IS FOR PUSSIES!! And besides, didn't you love it when Busta Rhymes cursed out Michael and made him seem like a little bitch only to come back and defeat him with mock kung fu that would generally be used by a third grader? I think you guys are too harsh! RESURRECTION OWNS THIS SERIES!!
I mean seriously, the original is what now? Ten, FIFTEEN years old maybe? We needed something to revitalize this franchise. I think that we can all agree that Busta Rhymes, Tyra Banks, and the kid from American Pie and Rookie of the Year were just that thing.
I can't wait for Halloween 9, Michael vs Slimer!

Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by teenkiller
Duke, although you have some great ideas there, I am really super duper glad they went with what we saw in Resurrection!
I mean come on, Michael doesn't even have a story in this one. He used to want to kill his family. Now he has to kill random people who showed up to his house for a reality tv show! The smartest thing this series ever did was cashing in on the reality trend that was running rampant at this time. Up to that point the series was just flowing too coherently don't you think? We NEEDED something that wouldn't let it gel as smoothly. CONTINUITY IS FOR PUSSIES!! And besides, didn't you love it when Busta Rhymes cursed out Michael and made him seem like a little bitch only to come back and defeat him with mock kung fu that would generally be used by a third grader? I think you guys are too harsh! RESURRECTION OWNS THIS SERIES!!
I mean seriously, the original is what now? Ten, FIFTEEN years old maybe? We needed something to revitalize this franchise. I think that we can all agree that Busta Rhymes, Tyra Banks, and the kid from American Pie and Rookie of the Year were just that thing.
I can't wait for Halloween 9, Michael vs Slimer!

Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

teenkiller, this is an old thread and that was an old me. Nowadays, since Rob Zombie is doing the remake, any speculation on a regular sequel is dead.

However, you'll be surprised to learn that even though I have always been for continuity with the series, I never hated H8 like so many other die-hard fans do. I agree, the "Dangertainment" plot was a breath of fresh air. It's not like Michael Myers sold out in this one. He kills for blood, anybody in his way, and also, ANYBODY that trespasses in HIS house. I always liked that idea and enjoyed the movie for that. I'll be frank, the acting didn't bother me, Busta Rhymes' presence didn't bother me, and when it came down to it, Michael cleaned house (especially on that stupid "American Pie" kid, Bwahahahahahahahahaha...!!!!). And I also felt that Laurie's fate was a respectable one.

However...even though this was the first H-movie to officially devolve from classy suspense film to (fun) slasher mode, I always felt that the next movie could be classy suspense film again...if they wanted it to be. Just write it as scary and serious and direct it that way, and it can be done.

One thing about the H8 is that the only reason they went for the "Dangertainment" plot is that Josh Hartnett didn't want to return as Michael's nephew. Without him, there was no H8. To them, "Dangertainment" was the next best thing if they couldn't have Michael preying after his nephew. And it was only three years since H20. It was too soon to re-cast John Tate. So, we either would have waiting up to nine years by now for the next movie or go for a gimmick. They went with a gimmick and I didn't mind that they did. They had their fun, now it's time to be serious again. They can still do that. Well, they could have...now, that will never happen.

One other thing. I wrote my own "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers" script in 2005. It had John Tate (years later) returning to Haddonfield with his family (wife, young son) and ultimately facing off against Michael once and for all. Sheriff Bracket was in it and so was Lindsay Wallace. It followed the events of H8 and the "H4-6 never happened" rules, and was able to continue where the regular storyline left off. I used it in the fifth season of my "Horror Talk" series as Michael's comeback and everything. It wasn't brilliant, and a lot more can be done with it (and there will when I re-do Season 5 again). But basically, if it weren't for the Rob Zombie remake, I know in my heart that they could have redeemed the series with a straight sequel again. But, oh well. I guess it's too late for that...

[teenkiller]

I hope you didn't take my previous post as an insult to you or anything. It was purely done as a joke. I know you probably have spent as much time coming up with an honest fans sequel to the series and making your own corrections to plot holes as I probably do with the NIGHTMARE series. I honestly didn't even know what your thoughts on Resurrection were. I actually really liked what you had written for your sequel ideas. It actually really made sense. Yes even though you and I both know that the chances now for another straight sequel to end the series on a high note are pretty much nil. But fanboys can always dream... Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Duke Nukem]

Your post seemed odd, especially to a three year old thread, but I never expected it to be an April fools. I caught Joblo's immediately, but I wasn't expecting yours. I wasn't insulted though. As it appears, I am still the only person on earth to enjoy H8 on any level, and there isn't two as it briefly appeared.

*Sigh*

I wasn't joking how I felt about it. But I do understand why others dislike it. And regardless of its quality, I did feel they could have continued on with a straight sequel. But, oh well. We just better pray Rob Zombie doesn't screw up the remake. If he does, I'll call up Mike (I probably won't have to remind to bring his knife collection). You bring the torches.

[teenkiller]

Ha ha. Consider it done friend. Despite the fact that I don't like remakes (mostly because they pretty much just make everything that came before void and start all over) I do feel that Zombie will at least make a good film... even if it does stand alone. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[robk]

I thought the new actress for "H6" sucked.

Duke, I will NEVER understand why you have such faith that Akkad & his cronies will do the right thing with the series.

I would've liked #6 a bit more if Danielle Harris had been in it. In Akkad's defense, though, she was approached but didn't care for Jamie's fate(I didn't either), hence she declined.
I have nothing against J.C. Brandy, but I'll always remember her as Marty from Star Trek: The Next Generation's "Tapestry" episode.

[shoe1985]

I would've liked #6 a bit more if Danielle Harris had been in it. In Akkad's defense, though, she was approached but didn't care for Jamie's fate(I didn't either), hence she declined.
I have nothing against J.C. Brandy, but I'll always remember her as Marty from Star Trek: The Next Generation's "Tapestry" episode.

Not true, it all came down to money. She wanted more, he didn't want to pay her more. She was receiving a very low amount of money even being the star of H4 and H5, she did deserve a little bit more money. It wasn't a lot more that she was asking for either.

Danielle didn't like the direction her character was taking, probably because she was going to be killed. But she still showed up at auditions to play the role.

[JohnTravoltage]

Not true, it all came down to money. She wanted more, he didn't want to pay her more. She was receiving a very low amount of money even being the star of H4 and H5, she did deserve a little bit more money. It wasn't a lot more that she was asking for either.

Danielle didn't like the direction her character was taking, probably because she was going to be killed. But she still showed up at auditions to play the role.

I could have swore that on my SE Halloween 4 or 5 (definately one of them in the commentary with Ellie Cornell), she said that she didn't end up doing it because she hated the script (cuz in the Producer's Cut she has Michael's baby) and she hated that her character died. She didn't say anything about money... then again.. I guess she wouldn't.