Someone needs to send a Terminator back to stop the 3rd movie!

[The Postmaster General]

What the fuck? I totally understood that this was a movie about time traveling robots, so there was no reason for me to question its logic.

Okay, so we have the girl Terminator, because I guess for some reason girls are more deadly? I don't know why they made her a woman -- I got the cop in the 2nd one, but okay, yeah, it was a female terminator. Okay, she could change shapes and stuff, that was neat, like in the second one. The one thing that bothered me this time around..... How the hell did she not see John Connor hiding in the clinic? You know, I mean even Cadillacs now-a-days have infared, right.

Okay, so yeah, it's a movie, but, so, it's hard to buy that the original Terminator aged. Did they decide to produce a new line that wore bad concealer and crazy botox injections? I guess that future is more fucked up than I realized.

Yeah, and so if I were a Teminator that could change shapes, and I got into situations with things that had legs, I'd just turn into ball bearings and knock 'em down. For some reason this Terminator used a 20th century hand gun. Yeah, boy. Didn't the shape shifter in the second one at least stab people and stuff.

Jeez - Now I'm just annoyed because I can't remember all of the annoying things about this annoying movie to explain my annoyance. I should have taken notes.

Come on folks. What was wrong with this movie besides the obvious production flaws (yeah, lets kill off one of the coolest female characters of all time, replace her with a Species rip-off, and then ditch one of the original conceptualists.

If theres another t3 thread, all apologies. If not, I'm really suprised.

[syxxpac]

Eh. I love it. Not as much as I used to, but I still enjoy watching it every now and then. I found it got a bit worse over time, and doesn't hold up as well as the first two when it comes to careful scrutiny, or have a lot of the poignancy, but I'm willing to let all that slide since it "floats me boat".

Sue me. I think it's an incredibly solid flick.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by syxxpac
Sue me. I think it's an incredibly solid flick.


Ah man, if I could get a jury trial I could totally win that.

I like the story arc, conclusion -- that stuff is fine and dandy, but sorry, Termintor 3 was to Judgement Day and the original what Cannonball Run 2 was to Cannonball Run.

I'm not bustin' your chops here either, because I do understand why you like watching it -- the ending is totally cool, and alot of the john connor story is cool. But come on -- this was practically a comedy compared to the first two. I know both had comedic moments, but I'm saying this one had stuff that was funny in an Mystery Science Theater way - the stuff like the demon face the Terminatrix was making, the gay bar scene was no replacement for the same scenes that were in the first two movies - The chase scene was well done, but it, like the rest of the bad stuff, was silly -- I understand her remotely controling the acceleration, maybe the breaks, pushing it on the steering, but there is no way that she can shift gears -- The other movies were so more much believable than this one.

And the conclusion was actually really cool, and I'm pissed because I think they cheesed this movie up way too much.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by syxxpac
Sue me. I think it's an incredibly solid flick.


Ah man, if I could get a jury trial I could totally win that.

I like the story arc, conclusion -- that stuff is fine and dandy, but sorry, Termintor 3 was to Judgement Day and the original what Cannonball Run 2 was to Cannonball Run.

I'm not bustin' your chops here either, because I do understand why you like watching it -- the ending is totally cool, and alot of the john connor story is cool. But come on -- this was practically a comedy compared to the first two. I know both had comedic moments, but this one was a comedy in a Mystery Science Theater sort of way - stuff like the demon face the Terminatrix was making, the male strip bar scene was no replacement for the same scenes that were in the first two movies - The chase scene was well done, but it, like the rest of the bad stuff, was silly -- I understand her remotely controling the acceleration, maybe the breaks, pushing it on the steering, but there is no way that she can shift gears -- The other movies were so more much believable than this one.

And the conclusion was actually really cool, and I'm pissed because I think they cheesed this movie up way too much.

[LoomisFan]

Whoah. Either Bubba double-posted, or i just experienced a loop in the FABRIC OF TIME AND SPACE!!!
Okay, now that I'm through being an ass, I gotta say that T3 sucked, in my opinion. I try to take it for what it is (a mindless action flick), but I can't when I think about the first two. It's like trying to take Batman and Robin for what it is, ya just keep thinkin' about the first one...

[Grim H.]

Originally posted by LoomisFan
Whoah. Either Bubba double-posted, or i just experienced a loop in the FABRIC OF TIME AND SPACE!!!


Don't worry. It was just a glitch in the Matrix...:D

[KcMsterpce]

Yeah, I agree with you. I don't remember exactly what I hated THE MOST with this movie, but I'll just quote my review in the What did you Think? section. It's kind of like a rant, and it'll probably give more details than anything I could point out NOW. I am trying to erase that movie from my mind.

Terminator: 10/10
Terminator 2: 9/10

First of all, I KNOW there is very little chance in Hell that T3 was going to be better than the first two movies for me. It's nearly impossible, since two of my most favorite action movies are Terminator and Terminator 2. All I was hoping for was a good time, some fun effects, and an all around time-waster of popcorn fun and action.
Once I heard that James Cameron wasn't going to be directing - and then wasn't even going to be writing this flick - my expectations dropped much lower.

********SPOILERS UNTIL THE VERY BOTTOM ******


I thought that John Connor was not as intelligent or impressive as when we last left him back in 1994, defeating the T-1000. He is a loner as we meet him years later, left with a motorcycle and an unimportant voice-over.
I figure that since you know there are spoilers, you dont' need to know the story. I'm going to skip that part. The problems.
The Terminatrix: She's cute, but didn't blow me away. Regardless, I wanted a formidable foe that would (hopefully) top, or match, the fright factor that the T-1000 had in T2. I wasn't much impressed with the need to have her 'taste' the DNA of blood samples. She should just be able to make physical contact with an object and make a molecular lock on who that person is. Instead, they had to be 'groovy' and make her taste the blood. Fine, but it's not that stylish.
She is uncapable of completely transforming into a liquid object due to the hinderance of her robotic endoskeleton. It wasn't as scary to me to see her have to remain in humanoid form, and making lame guns with her hand. I was not at any point particularly afraid of her. She wasn't as frightening as the first two T-Killers.
The Terminator: Well, what can I say? Obviously they felt a need to make him a joke in the eyes of the fans. I think they went too far with it IMO. I laughed at the dorky glasses. I think the amateurish psychology lesson gags were mediocre at best. DO NOT try to make 'talk to the hand' a fucking soundbite! That's really shitty.
I don't understand how the Terminator would know to do certain things that were ingrained into his programming from T2 (don't kill anyone, flip a visor down to get the keys, etc...) even though he claims to be a completely different Terminator. I understand that Kate Brewster might have ordered him not to kill people, but don't try so hard to make the fans giggle with redundant odes to the previous movies if it doesn't help the continuity. James Cameron said it best in the T2 commentary when Terminator says "Wait here, I'll be back."
He said, "Now isn't that much better than 'she'll be back'?" FUCK YES!!
As for Arnold AS the Terminator... I wasn't impressed. He was too emotional, and wtf was up with his 'emotional internal battle' at the end when he's trying to fight against the reprogramming and keep John Connor away from him? Not only was that a stupid scene, but it was almost comedic as much as it was painful to watch this horribly contrived scene as John Connor runs away into...
... The Final Location: Who the FUCK did not know that a bomb shelter was where they were going? Well, other than Kate and John, of course. Kate's father wanted her to be able to survive the imminent nuclear destruction, so obviously he was telling them to get to a bomb shelter. The Terminator gave the location, and you're telling me that the intuitive John Connor and even SMARTER Kate Brewster didn't realize that's where they were going? PUH-LEASE. Even I knew from the beginning of the movie that Skynet was taking over all online computer activity, and that it became a virus that spread throughout the entire world network and could not be stopped at one simple location. I knew that Skynet became every computer that could get online at this point of the story. Why didn't the Terminator tell the thick-headed main characters of this obvious conclusion? How come they didn't figure it out themselves?
The dialogue: All around embarassing. "There's enough C4 here to blow up TEN supercomputers!" At this point in the movie I decided to stop paying attention. Fucking dumb-ass line. That's not even the start of it. The dialogue is HORRIBLE. I don't want to elaborate on my distaste for the dialogue. If you don't agree with that example, then you probably won't agree with many other lines that I thought were unbearable in this movie. So be it.

Special Effects/Overall Look: Well, the gorgeous look of the first two (especially the ice-blue trademark look in the second one) is difficult to surpass. As for the overall look of T3 - very stock. Uninspiring. I was very disappointed to find that there was very little violence, and even when there WAS blood it was a very standard display of expected splattering (when it sprays onto a picture sitting on the nightstand - what movie HASN'T done that?! The first two, obviously. Only every OTHER movie that's been made has done it!!). There was hardly any imagination with the kills in this one. I wanted to see something creative! At least ONE neat kill, comparable to a sword through the face AND a milk carton pasted against a wall. No, I didn't get anything like that at all.
I was expecting the liquid metal effects to be highly improved over T2. It should have looked great. Instead I caught myself wishing for the more 'realistic' appearance of the previous T-1000's metal effects. That shit kicked ass, yo! In this one, I kept thinking about how much better the effects were for a movie that came out TWELVE YEARS EARLIER, with then-unheard-of CGI effects. Thank you Mr. Cameron for pushing the envelope on CGI, taking a risk, and coming through with 4th of July fireworks!
******* END OF SPOILERS ********



I just say fuck this shit. I was very mad about how unexpectedly BAD this was. You will have to see it because it's a trilogy. I'm just pissed off that they made a joke of my favorite series. I am very pissed off at the dim-whitted characters and unintimidating Terminatrix. I wish they didn't make such a joke of the Terminator. And if it WAS to be a joke, make the jokes better! Although the ending is on a note that is deserving of a Terminator movie, I was too uninterested to care by the time that ending arrived.
I sure wish James Cameron had enough heart in a third story to get behind the lens again for this one. I wish the third one had never been made. Now there will probably be a fourth, and maybe the fifth one will be released straight-to-video with second-rate actors! I see it happening! And that's too bad.

4.5/10

[Scarface98.9]

I loved the crane chase in the 3rd movie, but the female villain didn't do it for me. She seemed to be trying too hard to be menacing, and her hair in the movie just left me woodless. The actors (except Loken) were fine, but it just felt too light compared to the revolutionary prequels

[T-1000]

Originally posted by syxxpac
Eh. I love it. Not as much as I used to, but I still enjoy watching it every now and then. I found it got a bit worse over time, and doesn't hold up as well as the first two when it comes to careful scrutiny, or have a lot of the poignancy, but I'm willing to let all that slide since it "floats me boat".

Sue me. I think it's an incredibly solid flick.


I agree, it's not as good as the first two films, but it's still great in its own right. T3, in many ways, felt rushed, and it skimmed over important plot points without providing any detail. You can tell from the editing that scenes were cut from the movie.

Hopefully, if these deleted scenes exist, Mostow could re-insert them for a future special edition.

[Saruman]

This film is just one of the reasons why I think science fiction works better if printed format. Take Star Trek: TNG 's Data for example, since when do androids get fat?

The action in part 3 wasn't as good as part 2 but it's still a good movie.

[Shockwave]

I really liked it and while it didnt feel as 'fleshed out" as the first two, they coulda done FAR, FAR, worse.

Other then X2, it was the best movie of the summer in my opnion. It was smart, had a kickass ending, great action scenes, some new revalations, and more heart then most of todays brainless blockbusters. 8/10.

[rushmore beauty]

While not as solid as the second, I still believe T3 to be equal to the first. I loved it...

[Grim H.]

Well, see...if we sent a terminator back in time to destroy the movie, then in that reality, since the movie would've already been destroyed there wouldn't be any reason to send a terminator back to destroy it, so the movie would get made anyway. But then, um...it could create some tangent universes where the movie doesn't exist and another where it does. I think we live in the universe where it does exist. In the other universe, this post doesn't exist. Okay, so like...woah. Let me start over.

In the beginning, the earth was just a desolate place with only plant life, then the dinosaurs came, and they all died.

Oh, wait...too far back. My flux capaciter is fucked up.
Okay, so if we send a terminator to destroy the movie, like, it would prevent us from ever making this thread, hence nothing I'm typing now really exists (or does it?) Because, if John Mostow is a robot, then, like, he must've gone back in time and killed our terminator who was gonna destroy the movie, so the movie gets made, and now there are three univereses. cuz u c, fi teh robutts cn makkke meee stoopid, tehn we wont be able to sotp them from conceurrrrring the werld cuz well al bee dum lol...

...I think my brain just melted, and I have gone way off topic.

[Cronos]

i liked it, not as good as the first 2 but at least it finished the story and didnt leave it open for a sequel

its also a lot better than other sci-fi films from recent years

[Arc]

Kc NAILED IT. I hadn't been that pissed walking out of a theater since... Hell, another shit-for-brains-third-installment-that-didn't-have *gasp for air* -the-original-director-of-the-first-two-installments.

I missed the "ice blue" look. I missed actions that made sense. The pacing that worked. The groundbreaking effects. The feel of a true killing machine hunting you.

[Shockwave]

The groundbreaking effects.

You thought the effects were bad??

Even the people who dispise this movie all seem to agree that the effects were at least above average.

[gyro_44]

For months leading up to it, I thought T3 was going to suck.

My moderate expectations helped me to enjoy the film. The action was great, Arnold was great, the ending was interesting in the way it deviated from the norm (and yet is was completely satisfying for me).

It's not as ambitious or groundbreaking as the first two in any way, really, but it compliments them well in my opinion.

[jaw2929]

Even though I disagree with this whole rant and felt that T3 was on par with the first 2, I MUST agree with one key point that the original poster made... Killing off Linda Hamilton fucking PISSED me off... Yet they were still able to bring back that bald psychiatric dood, who was in the previous 2 movies... :rolleyes:

[Spidey]

I liked T3 but I had a few problems with the movie.
First of all , what's up with all the references to the previous terminator movies.
When the TX was pulled over by the cop , did she really had to say :' That's a nice gun' ?? She already said :' That's a nice car' before. By the way, why did she had to use that cop's gun ?? She's a walking arsenal.
And if the T1000 in T2 could survive a helicopter crash , why not the TX, isn't she suppose to be the ultimate terminator ?
Oh yes , and no offense Mr. Beltrami , but your score fucking sucked !!! Brad Fiedel you're not.

[The Postmaster General]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trail_Blazer
Even though I disagree with this whole rant


You disagree with the facts I mentioned, or the fact that they are worthy of complaint?



Killing off Linda Hamilton fucking PISSED me off... Yet they were still able to bring back that bald psychiatric dood, who was in the previous 2 movies... :rolleyes:


Yeah, like Spidey said - What's up with all the references to the other movies? That was just another one. LMAO!




Also, am I the only one thinking that the John Connor didn't look like John Connor at all? I mean, the guy who played John Connor is the same age as Edward Furlong, and I really can't see the resemblance -- Furlong is more round in the face, for starters.

[jaw2929]

I disagree that they're worthy of complaint...

[slasherfan]

I thought it was ok I guess, the effects where very good and there was some ok action. Not NEARLY enough gore though, all that off screen crap got annoying FAST!

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Trail_Blazer
I disagree that they're worthy of complaint...


If you want to know why I complain, click here. (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/2351/sing.wav)


Man, that link can explain so many things!

[optimus]

T3 was a good popcorn flick, but that's all. I wasn't impressed with the female baddie. Wasn't impressed with the new John Connor either.

The only thing that really pissed me off in T3 was when back in T2, they were trying to get across to the audience that the future wasn't written and things can change. In T3, they reverse it. They are now telling you that Judgement Day is innevitable and there is nothing you can do about it.

I just think they should have left the series after T2. There was an alternate ending to that movie that Cameron should have used (it would have gotten my vote) where it shows an older Sarah Connor in the same park AFTER Judgement Day passed and never happened because history had changed. I liked that ending so much better.

[syxxpac]

I don't like the "Future Coda" ending that much. It doesn't....feel right.

The final ending fits way better IMO. It doesn't spoonfeed you a conclusion, leaving it relatively open while still delivering a satisfying resolution.